The King of Fighters XIII - Basics Tutorial

Here's part 1 of my OLD series... if you REALLY want to watch it:
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Here's my video about how KoF XIII isn't *that* hard:
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[@StacyCarnage]

"no version of this game has good netcode, maybe one day" well here we are

[@Moqlnkn]

yeah but not on PC, which is all that really matters

[@StacyCarnage]

@@Moqlnkn yeah that is a bit shit

[@Moqlnkn]

Stuff I Missed: 1) "Global Match" is a new CONSOLE-ONLY version with good netcode. You should get that one, unless you're like me and only play on PC. 2) Drive Cancels only work between two *different* specials. You cannot cancel a special into itself, or the other version of itself (Light into Heavy or vice versa). The one exception is that you can drive cancel either meterless version into the EX version. You still cannot cancel the EX version into the meterless version.

[@RobotPlaysGames]

Got here from your Steam guide. Appreciate all the work you've put into learnin' us newbs!

[@chasepalumbo2929]

Dude thanks for this!!!! It’s much appreciated

Very nice intro, thank you. I'm somewhat interested in picking the game up (would be more interested if I could somehow make Mai more SFW…), but I feel like even if I just end up watching the game, this gives me a ton of information about what to look out for. Nice job

[@rafu9248]

Ty for this video I'm trying to get into the kof series

[@eduardoe3683]

Great video. Thanks!

[@GojiGuy]

The day has come

[@paxcaster]

this game looks badass, it's too bad the netcode isn't where it needs to be

[@JTC1979]

2023 is now time to play kof xiii finally 😅

[@dewmeer]

good guide, i always have fun playing this game despite its unfortunate circumstances. do you dislike 14 more because it's ugly as sin or something about the mechanics? if so, is 15 looking much better? from what I can see 15 looks a lot like 14 but with direct upgrades to the system and meter.

[@Moqlnkn]

14 isn't as ugly as SFV, but it is ugly. The main problem with 14 is MAX Mode being far too strong. It always costs one bar, and then lowers the cost of a super in your combo by one bar, so there's no reason not to do it. That much is fine - doing raw supers is easier but less damage. What isn't fine is that canceling into MAX Mode is also plus on block. There's literally never a reason to not use MAX Mode. There is no counter, except using your meter to guard cancel. If the normal you canceled into MAX Mode hit, then you're already dead, which turns the game into Third Strike except everyone is Chun-li and everyone always has SAII ready. They already fixed this in 15 by doubling the cost of MAX Mode, and letting you use EX Moves outside of MAX Mode, and adding new features that use super meter outside of MAX Mode. I also personally like the feel of drive cancel combos, which will likely never be in another fighting game aside from 13.

[@alexc6741]

Hey Moqlnkn I just wanted to ask if king of fighters 13 recent ports for the switch is any good???

[@Moqlnkn]

I only play on PC.

[@jazfrogtune]

Does overdrive gauge refills after using it?

[@Moqlnkn]

You always build overdrive at the same rate, except when it is full or you are in HD mode. Notably, it does not build over time, like Street Fighter 6, but only as the players attack each other.

[@kazukishah6595]

So like I'm total noob. How is this cancel thing done? Is it like you cancel one move to change to other move? .. but how?

[@Moqlnkn]

99% of the time, to cancel a move into another move, you just input the two moves normally. Time your second button press as the first attack is hitting the opponent, or a little earlier. This will "cancel" out of the rest of the first attack's animation so that your character immediately begins the second attack animation. 99% of the time, the timing to do a cancel is large, so it's not difficult to perform. Don't react to the first move hitting - you have to already be ready to input the second move as or before the first move hits. Not all moves are "cancelable" and not all moves can be canceled into. What cancels into what will depend on the game, but every good fighting game has a lot of possibilities here, and usually some sort of logical progression (normals > specials > supers, for example). Certain cancels are possible on hit/block/whiff only, or some combination of those three. The effectiveness of cancels varies greatly, too. Many game-defining mechanics are specific types of cancels, such as this game's Drive Cancel system. You can also refer to Infil's amazing glossary when asking questions of the format "What does [this word] mean?", which can be found here: glossary.infil.net/

[@kazukishah6595]

@@Moqlnkn thanks for the explanation. I end up buying a stick yesterday after my thumb got destroyed using a pad trying to combo on this game

[@RepCom1140]

Thanks for that explanation. I was having a hard time figuring out the timing for when to begin the second attack.

[@KazanmaTheSilverWind]

I have a question actually I don't have 13 (i don't like the look of the juggle combos in the game) and I tried using some of those execution tips in 98UMFE & 2K2UM, and i struggle with the basic normal chains (where in +R basic normal chains are easy). Are cancel windows far shorter in 98/2k2UM compared to the newer games? Or am I doing something else wrong?

[@chronology556]

98 execution is very tight, combos are short and easy to memorize, but are hard to do. 2K2UM is a bit easier, but MAX Mode combos will require more memorization and muscle memory.

[@Moqlnkn]

I think they are shorter, but most of my experience is in 13. The whole juggle system in 13 is generally more lenient - every character gets multi-hit juggles, which isn't the case in older fighting games. I do know that button holding and input shortcuts still work in older KoF games, and the window to input motions is longer compared to other games from the same time period. So do your motions slowly and early, and button hold to make them come out as early as possible. There is a very annoying feature in KoF 2002 UM where the directional inputs and button inputs are desynced. Your buttons are delayed by like two more frames than your directions are. Ironically, though, the input display in training mode is not delayed, so sometimes it looks like you did the right thing in the display, but the moves didn't come out how you input them. Another annoying feature in 02UM is that you cannot do special moves while holding another button down. If you, for example, wanted to special cancel a HP normal into a LP special move, you'd have to make sure to release HP before pressing LP, which can be pretty tight in a fast-paced cancel. Old KoF games are just hard. They got rid of a lot of the jankiness in 13.

[@KazanmaTheSilverWind]

@@Moqlnkn Ahhh, that makes sense then. Lot to get used to, but at least 2B Normal Super is somewhat consistent, even if I suck at it. Never thought a normal *not* being special cancellable would help Honestly this sounds like i might enjoy 14 combos more, but it's also 14. Here's hoping 15 is good though, it seems promising

[@chronology556]

@@Moqlnkn yeah, I noticed this button and direction desyncing, but didn’t actually know what it was after playing about 200 hours of KOF 2002 UM, I tend to press the buttons a lot earlier to compensate, is that correct? When I went into KOF XIV and tried to do Kyo’s new Rekka hcb K follow ups, and I figured out I was pressing Kick WAY too early. EDIT: Kula’s low confirm super cancel BnB is practically impossible in 2002 UM, if you DON’T buffer the first qcf into Stand B, and utilize the Button Hold trick. But if you do utilize them, both techniques, you can get it down 90% of the time.

[@Moqlnkn]

@@chronology556 From what I remember, you have to press your buttons late. Or, more specifically, if you want to do something like a crouch attack, you have to make sure you keep holding crouch for a few more frames after the button press, otherwise it becomes a standing attack. You should still press buttons earlier than normal for special moves, and use the button hold trick, but make sure to press the buttons a couple of frames after you finish the motion. In KoF XIV, it's okay to do special moves early, if you button hold. I get the feeling from your comment that you're mixing up the button hold trick, which exists in every KoF fighting game, with something else. The button hold trick is that you can do a special move very early, and hold the button down, and the special move will come out as soon as possible. You're probably thinking of the fact that you can't do special moves while holding a different button down, which doesn't exist in modern KoF games at all.

[@rb.phonics]

The one day has came for good net code

[@cxstarfan]

damn, this are the basics? my calculus test was way easier

[@Moqlnkn]

don't sign up for Calc III then

[@tdummy1094]

Thanks so much im playing the stress test and i dont know wats going on

[@Moqlnkn]

The game's not easy, especially if you have preconceived Street Fighter notions on how you "should" be making decisions.