The Konvo Show: Penuel In Conversation With Dr Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh, SABC, AKA, George Soros, Marriage

[@_SMWX]

Let’s go! 😁🙌🏽

[@Penuelism]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@AfricanFramePodClips]

Ayeye

[@Ech3ssa]

Ayeye🇰🇪

[@Eric.Rose.]

Please organize a longer sit down. Really enjoyed this Konvo

[@kabelo_kgosana]

Brilliant Interview

[@Simdumise]

This man is very clear and articulate. Listening to him is very refreshing.

[@SophieN17]

Dude!!

[@gracesitsha7906]

Oh my goodness, I could never get enough of Dr Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh. What a great mind. He has so much pearls of wisdom himself😊❤❤❤❤

[@mafokamofihli]

Dr Ziswe the clarity of your assertions is impacable....

[@Simdumise]

You have verbalised my thoughts throughout this interview...

[@Jay961973]

Well done Sizwe for maintaining your position on Orania. It’s nonsense that should never be tolerated or justified. I am amazed that it was ever allowed to exist in the first place.

[@hanyanem3657]

@@Jay961973 hmm, I am interested to hear why you think Orania is a nonsense that can't be justified...

[@xolanibuthelezi193]

Where in the world u see that​@@hanyanem3657

[@xolanibuthelezi193]

You can see a child that was well raised ..... clarity of thought ..Dr SIZWE

[@tacsaekuthuleni8796]

Great interview Gents! Pen you improving daily. You listen more and Dont Judge!

[@xolanibuthelezi193]

He said he is not an interviewer but a conversationalist I don't think he judges though Yes I understand interjections can throw you off

[@KazieD]

I wanna see SMWX on the streets of SA this year, interview elders and veterans of South Africa about our past and and young changemakers about our future.

[@Guzguz28]

What good heart… a prosperous year to you.

[@wangandungane1783]

Beautiful konvo, when Siz spoke about AKA I felt that.

[@ValithubaOliphant-qy6ty]

Dr SMWX is very educated moer about current affairs. All the best guys on PODCASTS

[@mthobisimthethwa1156]

Sizwe spoke so much sense with regards to Orania. People seem to have forgotten about the history of racial segregation in SA. We don’t need an Orania in democratic SA.

[@hanyanem3657]

@@mthobisimthethwa1156no sir, let me correct you. Black people don't want racial segregation because they dont want to be excluded from things that other races have built. Democracy is an illusion...

[@ThandoDlova]

Dr Sizwe mpofu Walsh Grootman..a Real Grootman because you are Xhosa i trust you bro and i think one day you should run for president

[@winstonchurchillappie]

This young Dr Sizwe is quite impressive. Very eloquent. Gives me hope for South Africa if this is the up and coming talent, only wish talent like this would rather choose a politician direction as we need inspiring and smart politicians like this.

[@ramekgwedanieltjikila1534]

Doc avoids sensitive subjects and tries to manoeuvre them without showing his extreme vulnerabilities. His articulation has diplomatic traits.

[@NtsikaMngeni]

Diplomatic traits? It is diplomatic. Tell me what this man believes in?

[@mlmatsheni1641]

Beautiful interview from both of my favourite podcasters Penuel the black pen and Dr Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh

[@hwpienaar]

Great Interview by two fellow South Africans who want the best for SA. ❤

[@ElzerineBasson]

Tnx Pen 4 bringing us Dr SMWX ❤❤❤❤

[@quentindela6202]

The subtle criticism of how Pen doesn’t allow his guess to reply by Sizwe was tactful and fruitful at the commencement of the interview, It resulted in limiting to an extent Pen’s interference and interruptive interview style. I wonder if Pen utilise techniques such as Johari’s window post interview to refine his skills. Because his extremely talented and intelligent , but there is a visible deficit that prevents that transcendence to an amazing host…making him appear more like self opinionated, like a know it all type…to a keen eye it is clear is not unintentional but as a south African living abroad I’m grateful for people like him for making strides in highlighting issues affecting our country..

[@sindiswamachi1403]

😅 you're right

[@JPEGPRINTING]

You’re 100% spot on, I doubt that many people picked up the subtle jab. You’re also correct about the host’s self aggrandizement

[@KazieD]

@@quentindela6202 He talks too much thats his problem, unnecessarily so. He would even stop guest speaking just so he can blab 🤦🏻‍♀️. But i love that Sizwe called him out in a classy and gracious way.

[@Honeybager1337]

Sobriety is a superpower. Highly recommend it. Ten years sober.

[@ng9047]

True that🎯

[@Dimasi2]

Bro the last time I watched SABC, Ntombi was on Generations.😅

[@nompumelelonomvula8394]

…Married to Sbusiso Dlomo. What a great couple they were 🥹

[@Chucky123-s7u]

Will u believe that i read the trancript while listening and watching you. So written is just as important as voice. Nice guys.

[@qhawejames134]

Dr Sizwe is such an inspiration!

[@joymofokeng5440]

I like how Sizwe Refers to himself as a Black man ,

[@ernestluno1235]

Bring Zola 7, and share co-parenting views as you both have 7 children different mothers and and have a Strong wisdom.

[@DIYDADDYYY]

😂😂Man what?

[@jabulaniosbon8718]

That's will be the great Konvo

[@jalukajele]

Good to see the African Joe Rogan sitting with the African Jordan Peterson 😂… Highly appreciate your insights and hard work gents. 🍻 To a successful 2025.

[@mpilomthiyane46]

😂😂😂Right? The comparison is spot on.

[@kmohlalatv6407]

Who is Jordan Peterson?

[@lekis5975]

​@@kmohlalatv6407Jordan Oeterson is some toxic right wing t wat. Sizwe is neither Rogan nor Peterson

[@JPEGPRINTING]

Joe knows when to let his guests speak.

[@yahavbensarahmadiel8694]

😂😂😂

[@tebohomaholi6738]

I saw another character trait about Penuel being thoughtful in terms of not knowing how to jump from the death of Sizwe's childhood friend to asking about his marriage. I admire both of you gents 🤝🏾

[@vilhokandume]

This one I'm surely tuning in. Smart minds at test 😅🎉

[@petruskhumalo4460]

This conversation was just too short! Wish you guys went on 🤣🤣🤣

[@thembinkosintantiso3315]

Two great minds in the building 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@katlehokomeke]

Rest in peace AKA ❤

[@monwabisimsutu917]

Thank you Peny Boy these was a good perfect eppisode you and Ayeye Sizwe Dr

[@HighjackPodcast]

Ayeye , Spread the fire 🔥🔥🔥🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@hanyanem3657]

Listening to Dr Mpofu's views about Orania, reminds me of this habit that we have as black people, failing to build institutions that represent our blackness and just criticise other people who are doing that. I live in the township, and the destructive cultures and behaviours we have created and don't add value in our lives in any way, saddens me a lot. Alcohol abuse is everyday thing. The likes of DR Mpofu aren't saying much about that.

[@kevinlenyatsa3648]

Who's responsibility isit to fix your community?

[@hanyanem3657]

@@kevinlenyatsa3648 , unfortunately no one can fix it..

[@hanyanem3657]

@@kevinlenyatsa3648, unfortunately, no one can fix it..

[@raymondsebusho4353]

@@kevinlenyatsa3648 Your question is not only misplaced but dismissive of the deep-rooted, systemic issues that have historically prevented black communities from building institutions of their own. To suggest that it’s simply a matter of individual responsibility to “build your own community” ignores the centuries of oppression, disenfranchisement, and economic exclusion that have deliberately kept black people from accessing the necessary resources, support, and opportunities to thrive. Dr. Mpofu, and others like him, are well aware of the struggles within black communities, but criticizing others who attempt to create their own spaces-such as Orania-while offering no real solutions to the destruction caused by systemic inequality is disingenuous. Instead of pointing fingers, we should be addressing the root causes of these issues, like poverty, lack of access to education, and underinvestment, which have left many communities in the state you're so quick to criticize.

[@qhawejames134]

There is nothing stopping you from advocating for that... pick your battle man!

[@tjrmakhetha]

Starting the year strong. This will definitely be one of the big ones🔥🔥

[@langabi408]

Sizwe🥳🥳🥳🥳Siyabonga Peni, another great convo

[@Chucky123-s7u]

Sizwe, i am with you. The HORROR that the ANC has delivered to our educational system is so devastating to our children and this impacts the future of this country. 30 years. What a failure.

[@hanyanem3657]

@@Chucky123-s7u indeed, ANC destroyed our education system and unfortunately many South Africans aren't aware of that... In fact, we have done nothing to correct that injustice done by the ANC...

[@SiposethuNdzuta-tx5xn]

If I could like this more than once I would. Thank you KONVO for the beautiful work.

[@gcinamthembu1786]

What a beautiful and educational episode. Big-Ups Gents✊🏾💯🙏🏾

[@dmarchitectsptyltd.8694]

Beautiful ❤❤ When two great minds come together, magic and synchronicity take place

[@thembabongeziwemahlangu8508]

Pen could you please invite Mcebo Dlamini to your studio please ngiyakucela my man.I wanna hear something.

[@MosesNdlovu-l1p]

Great interview and very insightful indeed about the workings of media platforms as a whole 👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿

[@LindokuhleGumede-q8p]

Two eloquent Men in one room 🌪️🙇🏻‍♂️

[@mdumisenisibanyoni3379]

Ayeye 🔥 🔥 🔥 Viva Dr Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh, I like how you think.

[@maqabah]

Keep up the good work guys we support you 👏 🙌 👍 always

[@njabulohappy1107]

Great conversation .. could listen for hours and hours

[@desoxx]

Really great conversation, I thoroughly enjoyed this!

[@davidscrooby2461]

Splendid thank you Penuel

[@tebogomabusela7936]

Mahn. When you said Uncle Tony walked into the room and he wept then you wept…😭whew! Otherwise beautiful conversation and welcome to 2025 gents!🥳

[@kabelo_kgosana]

That was a wholesome interview. I really enjoyed it.

[@cedricishimwe_ki2063]

The geust I have been waiting on Konvo... I hope to Prof Phakeng too!!!

[@bhutmalumz]

The Prof Phakeng interview would be a monster here. I'd thoroughly enjoy it.

[@RubaJust]

STOP!!

[@oscarsambo9981]

Please don’t talk about that woman who is struggling with identity crisis.

[@blessingkhalipha5059]

She's a non starter they are better guests he can come up with

[@tshepisompala2236]

Ayeye pleaseee. We are here!🎉

[@HarmonicRezolution]

Penuel - your honesty is refreshing. However, why can't white people make white organizations if we all support black people making black organizations? Is it because you feel excluded from the former because you are not 'white'? Then surely you can understand the reverse? Or not?

[@Penuelism]

@@HarmonicRezolution legacies of Apartheid and Colonization. If we can create true equality in SA, it will be easier to accept white ppl building whatever they want.

[@AP_Lethargy]

Great conversation to watch, the both of you were outstanding.🎉

[@misspresh9478]

I enjoyed this interview very much, I am a huge SMWX fan and I am thrilled to find another platform to sink in, I wish both platforms great success and it would be amazing if at some point in the future you can be able to contribute to the change you advocate for like building schools, that was a favorite part of this conversation. continue to shut the noise out and think independently Sizwe, I am losing my admiration for Julius Malema which is quiet unfortunate but I thought that he shared a similar perspective but his reaction to your guest list has been extremely disappointing.

[@skhumbuzogcaba6369]

What a dope interview.. Big up to Penuel and Sizwe💯

[@ayandaadam1211]

Shout out to Sizwe and Pen!!

[@liso6998]

Great conversation and very informative brothers. We are learning 👏🏽

[@siyabongafortune5410]

Thank you gents for your hard work, I've learned a lot from your podcast, keep pushing and expand you reach 🤙

[@mandlenkosiharike6597]

Orania is an idea by the Afrikaners of restoring their culture, tradition and nationality like any nation. They did nothing wrong by establishing Orania. They also bought that unproductive land which nobody wanted through their pockets as Afrikaners. The Afrikaners have a constitutional right to land ownership like all the other citizens and pass to their generation the Afrikaner culture and history .

[@sisekosodlaka7613]

Peni Elimnyama, been waiting ul comment on the interview Sizwe had with Vusi....

[@kutlwanodhliwayo]

Another one for the books. 🎯

[@karabolethabo1697]

It breaks my heart on how Sizwe has to defend his independence and objectivity from perception that SMWX is funded by MKP 😢

[@sisindiseludwemrevnohashe6167]

Lol...come on Pen, we like those little conversations at the end as the show ends. You can't just end like that😌

[@NoahRamokgopa]

How refreshing. Dope Konvo🤝🏼

[@Incognito-s3l]

Great conversation ❤❤

[@MidnightTheOne]

Incredible ep 🎉

[@babyboom6825]

My two favourite podcasters. 🎉

[@moletetefo9251]

Ey! My favorite podcasters.

[@xolanibhengu6796]

when Pen seats with Sizwe or Zimasa, i dont miss it for the world

[@RubaJust]

Nice one madoda, WELL DOOOONE!!!

[@Honeybager1337]

Now I'm going to have to go and find the Gayton interview. Someone help!

[@jabulaniosbon8718]

Am following you help me too if get first

[@lindanintshangase6803]

What a dope conversation!

[@sibongisenisakhele3114]

Agree with you Doc on Orania.

[@mthuthuzeligagela6574]

Another one ...great convo

[@musandlovu7062]

I love these two guys. My Gs

[@reversewithpoetry4175]

Ayeye Doctor 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@jabulaniosbon8718]

I can't miss this one our own black Pen

[@jabulaniosbon8718]

#Danki Leadership @BlackPen I salute sir you are an amazing Soul You very connected to the very excellent and exceptional ❤❤❤❤ you show is on another level just keep on giving us wonderful content Pen

[@scelocalf8698]

Dankie bafethu sibonge.

[@mthokozisimyende787]

Spread the Fire Aye ye!!

[@markwinter7511]

Opening spaces up for as many diverse people as possible is of course laudable. Labeling such places as racist or neo apartheid is not accurate or helpful. It would also help tremendously if black people had been more successful in building and creating excellence of their own.

[@Ummo2850]

Precisely m it’s through ignorance that propaganda is repeated. That and the sense of wanting to appropriate every others everything without one’s own hardworking or building skills. Smh. Really dumb as bricks

[@jabulaniosbon8718]

Yeah Pen we will End up having our own channels

[@SundayRooster]

I salute Sizwe for declining the Orania offer. This is the spine we need. We have heard and seen enough about Orania. Mense including Penuel have been force feeding us Orania. So many groups in our country yet be explored, from VhaVenda, Lobedu, Hlubi all they way to the Batswana. Our history and people that we need to understand about each other. But hey let’s learn about Orania.

[@Honeybager1337]

Great interview🎉

[@nkanyisosithole4875]

Grow grow grow!

[@Honeybager1337]

Teacher here. We need more trade schools.

[@sibongisenisakhele3114]

Same with corporate. Diversity is embraced on paper but rejected in practice. So much so that leaders's values or agendas are more powerful than the legal person's (company) written values and principles

[@stuckinmyroom1210]

Always nice hearing from the Doc lol 2 MKP jokes and people lost their minds?

[@mziyandamanuku45]

Great show

[@tumibaloyi2915]

Penuel: "doesn't it make you sad that the psychological state of black people in SA is that you can never be an independent thinker. You must be funded". It is sad Pen. Equally as sad as you can't be an @EFFSouthAfrica supporter and not be labelled a Bot or a member of a cult. You see?

[@Penuelism]

@tumibaloyi2915 I've never accused all EFF supporters for being blind cult followers. I voted for the EFF is 2019. But if you never question anything Malema says or does, and defend him aggressively no matter what... then you have a problem.

[@tumibaloyi2915]

@Penuelism everything/everyone should be questioned without labels, is the point.

[@GcobaniBatyi]

"Ayeye"❤

[@warrenhendricks6207]

bring Prince Mashele and Carl Niehaus

[@neomonese3565]

The over the shoulder shots are distracting 😮😮

[@royvanlouw8680]

When are we going to have a conversation about treaties of the berlin conference type, superceeding our constitution ?

[@Penuelism]

Afrikaners in Orania feel the same way Sizwe feels about private schooling & healthcare... that it's do or die. Both are exclusionary.

[@thaboabram3265]

God, don't oversimplify exclusion. Exclusion on basis of race is problematic. We acknowledge the fact that there are other ways of exclusion that would still maintain racial discrimination. Don't be the voice for Europeans. They can speak for themselves.

[@Penuelism]

@thaboabram3265 why is exclusion on the basis of money or religion or culture any more different than race?

[@thaboabram3265]

@Penuelism Because that exclusion is not static, it's subject change. You can move from one religion to the other, and your income can improve. Therefore, that exclusion is conditional as opposed to racism.

[@nlocnil3602]

@Penuelism if SA didn't have a history of apartheid comparing these things would make sense. But I for the life of me cannot understand how a black intellectual can look past what Orania is in favour of the white oppression ideology that it is to try and water that down and mix it in conversation with everything else. We have many of these problems as a result of apartheid, let us solve them without adding an Orania into the conversation. They don't deserve our grace and airtime.

[@KazieD]

@@Penuelism but people can acquire wealth to be in those exclusionary spaces, we cant say the same about Orania, you cant work your way to be white and afrikaaner. Stop justifying racism.

[@rinky17888]

Peneul my brother.i love your podcast, but don’t think it will all be a good idea to also have medical doctors on your show ?

[@Honeybager1337]

40.10. Great question. Always had this feeling Zuma has this in mind, bordering on Mozambique and now having a daughter married into Swazi Royal house. A little MK kingdom

[@sindiswamachi1403]

Ayeye 🔥🔥🔥

[@nathieracrombie5114]

Profound!

[@nyawuza3427]

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