The "Kraken" Modern Double Hose Regulator - Scuba Tech Tips: S07E17

[@Vintagedoublehose1964]

Many thanks to Alec and Kevin for making this great video!

[@alexilica4128]

Hi, I’m Alex from Florida. Sweet to see I actually made it into this video! I see a lot of people curious about the Kraken in this thread, so thought I’d share my experiences. I’ve been diving the Kraken for about a year and a half now, and I LOVE IT!!! It’s the Ferrari of regulators, INHO. All I do is think of inhaling and it sends me gas. Exhaling is also extremely easy, and as there are no more bubbles in my face or ear it’s far more comfortable. I regularly take it to 160’ and it performs the same way it does at 20’. Upside down, inverted, sideways, flying on a DPV, any which way it’s comfortable. I can’t even say it took more than a dive or two to get so used to it that the idea of using a standard reg setup any longer became a dreaded thought. I travel with it A LOT, and have never had a single dive operator tell me I couldn’t use it on their boat. People are more than fascinated by it, and it’s quite the conversation starter. Explaining that it isn’t a rebreather is normally how conversations initially start. Frankly I’m amazed there aren’t way more of these out there. I mainly dive in South Florida and I have yet to be on a boat with another Kraken aboard. Diving takes on a whole new dimension with one of these. For cleaning, I have a ritual in the shower/bathtub after every dive day which seems to work really well. I’ve never opened the can myself, and I’ve only sent it in for service once before a long dive trip overseas, but I get the sense from Bryan that these things are designed and built to be bullet proof. So, everything you saw about the way it performed in the pool during this video is the way it performs in the ocean. Easy and a pleasure to dive. I would highly recommend a Kraken to anyone looking to add a really effective tool to their dive quiver. :)

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Obviously you love your Kraken. Maybe taking it into the bathtub with you is a bit much but hey, it's a free world!!! I'm really glad you liked the video (I hope it wasn't just the 3 seconds that you were in - the rest of the video is pretty good too!). And I'm glad the Kraken has made diving fun for you again. Thanks for sharing. You do know that I'm a kidder, right? Take care. Alec

[@alexilica4128]

Alec Peirce - Yes I love the regulator. It’s not that it made diving fun again, it made it cooler! Oh, and the bathtub ritual isn’t as crazy as it sounds! 🤪

[@Ibanezjem2010]

I have a red hosed Kraken. Used it in Cozumel and the locals loved it. Use it in cold water too.

[@markj.spencerattorney119]

Hi Alec! You and Kevin did a great job! Thanks for including the video of me diving the kelp forests of So. Cal. with my Kraken. I've had my Kraken 4 years now and I'm always amazed at how effortlessly it performs in all attitudes. Mark.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

You are so lucky Mark to live near the kelp forests! I have dived them there in Catalina, other parts of the west coast and even Alaska. It's always a wonderful experience. I hope that every diver gets to enjoy that at some time. Take care buddy. Alec

[@alaind831]

they are great until you surface and realize you have a long swim back through kelp back to boat/shore :) Only half joking as I use them all the time to anchor my kayak and they create a great forest for fish to hide in. Just need to come up (or go back under 10ft) at the right spot...

[@texasrockshillcountry6574]

Just got through watching the classic James Bond movie "Thunderball" where there were so many of those cool looking double-hose regulators! I am SO glad they brought those back! Just had to "modernize" a little bit and it's a GREAT variation! I can't wait to get one!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Thunderball was a great movie to me also. If you're thinking of getting a new Kraken, thats a problem as the maker, Bryan, has passed away. Some folks I know are in discussion about making another batch but nothing firm yet. A

[@texasrockshillcountry6574]

@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter That's sad to hear - in both cases. I hope they continue his legacy, because it's a noble one! I just LOVE the two hose regulators! Makes me want to get back into SCUBA Diving!

[@blackopssurgicalsniper6189]

Alec, loved the video. Brings back memories when I was 13 yrs old, borrowed $90 and bought a used diving rig. I bought if from a retired US Navy diver who introduced me to SCUBA. Until then I was snorkeling and watching Sea Hunt. This was 1961. The twin '38s were heavy as lead and were stamped "USN" 1945. They were fitted with "K" valves and yoked together. The regulator was double hosed and had a plack that had most of the words worn away. It did have USN stamped on it. I am pretty sure it was a single-stage, at least that is what the diver told me. I think I carried around 21 or 2200 PSI in them. The regulator, which I loved (primarily because I could breathe underwater) was a chore to suck air from. After a few minutes or so, I would roll onto my back and the airflow was better and I rested. It was ok for sport diving, but I didn't trust it below 30-40 ft. I later bought a Nimrod Snark III double-hose reg and life was better. I got my C-card in 1969 and when I began my research diving, I converted to a Dacor reg. I still have the old tanks and they still H-Stat. I love the old diving gear. I remember the freedom you had with just tanks, regulator, depth gage and a T-shirt with trusty older masks and fins. I have been out of diving for a while, and I am thinking of going back. My C-card was from NASDS which no longer exists. My son (who is a diver) says that PADI will issue a new C-card to replace the old one. But times have changed and the amount of gear you now carry just seems like it will take away a lot of the fun I once knew when times were made for fun...fun diving that is. Alec, keep up the great work.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Those old twin 38s were pretty popular. Yes. The early 2 hose regs were not easy to breathe but we didn't know that. Besides we were frogmen and had to be tough. Things have changed. Certainly, there was a feeling of freedom when diving with minimal gear as in the '60s. Kinda like riding a motorcycle with no helmet. But today's' gear is actually quite easy to use and a heck of a lot safer. NASDS was bought by SSI. You MAY be able to contact them to get a card. PADI won't issue a PADI card to old divers but perhaps a PADI instructor will give a short refresher, evaluate your skills and knowledge and apply for one. You must try to find some proof of your prior certification or experience. That'll make it a lot easier. Good luck. Alec

[@1969ivan1]

My Kraken is my go to regulator when I travel to distant lands. I used mine for 2 weeks in Truk and it never failed me.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

The Kraken is no different than any modern scuba regulator. It simply never fails to deliver air. It sure looks a lot cooler than any other modern reg. Thanks for watching Rob. Alec

[@russellcampbell9641]

This was a topper of a video Alec! I have two Krakens over here in the Red Sea and have taken them all over the world down to 158 feet and they both breathe great at any depth. Vintage Double Hose has just done a magnificent job in getting these regulators out to the public. Great for spear fishing and even better for photography. The US Navy Dive School should be using these instead of the WAY OVERPRICED Aqualung "Mentor" for their open-circuit re-breather drills and double hose manipulation training. Thanks!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

I'll speak to them. Thanks Russell. Alec

[@nilssedwick2405]

This was a nice video, brought back nostalgic memories of when I tested an old classic double-hose reg on some dives. The two things I liked about DH reg's was the balance of the mouthpiece, less fatigue than SH reg's, and that the bubbles exhausted behind me instead of banging past my ears and getting in the way taking photos. All the other negatives of DH's covered in your video, plus the fungus issues that formed in the hoses made the old reg's too much trouble. I might revisit with this new version! Thanks!!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

I think you'll be surprised Nick - as I obviously was. Alec

[@PhotographyByDerek]

Thanks for covering my favorite, and best breathing regulator! I started on a 1959 DA Aquamaster, and when Vintage Double Hose brought it back to life with the Phoenix system, I was elated to have my old favorite back in my dive bag. Then they made the Kraken, which finally retired the Aquamaster and became the only regulator that you will ever need!

[@KevinSmith-hc4pc]

Totally agree. I bought a 1975 DA Aqua-Master off Alec and although fully serviced, the dive boat in Cozumel would not let me use it even though I brought my PADI Vintage Double Hose diver certification card. So I had it fully upgraded by VDH with Phoenix 1st stage, HPR 2nd, hoses and duckbill. It still has the dents and scratches of years of diving on it and I like that history. My Aqua-Master has become my daily diver and going to Tobermorrey Ontario end of the month for brisk 65F fresh water wreck diving. Then to Indonesia November and Lembeh Straight. Glad to read another 'young diver' like yourself appreciates DH's. I think of it like the return of vinyl records to music. It has class and works great. Thanks for your story.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

The Kraken is hard to beat for sure but for me personally, trained in the 60's on 2 hose, a Royal Aquamaster with Phoenix upgrade and Kraken hoses is true scuba diving at it's finest. Interestingly, the cost of buying a good vintage double hose, paying for full service and upgrade plus hoses is the same as just buying a Kraken. Not hard to make that decision! Have fun. Alec

[@PhotographyByDerek]

When you add the Phoenix, HPR, DBE, DSV, & Kraken hoses to a DAAM like mine, or RAM like yours, you end up with the identical regulator - a PRAM. I have two of them. And while I did feel a bit of nostalgia, like you, about using the first commercial regulator that you trained with, (for me it was '71, and yes, there were still plenty of double hose regulators in use) the Kraken still breathes easier in both directions (but especially in exhaust), and is a lighter and more robust regulator. Chrome cans look cool, but you can't beat the Kraken red and black!

[@johnmichaelsaraceno7339]

Hi Alec, great video, we talked before, I purchased this Kraken Argonaut...I like you, started diving a long time ago, (1965) when all there was was double hose regs...you don't know how much you miss things until they are gone...never did like the single hose with the bubbles in your face and constant bubble sounds blowing by your ears...when Vintage Double Hose came out with their new modern double hose version I couldn't wait to get my hands on one...The best reg I've ever owned, works great, I set it up with inflater hose, safe second and high pressure side for SPG/console... The Kraken can do it all and less expensive than some single hose regs...You are right about the company very fussy to maintain high standards, so he only builds a certain amount for the year...I feel lucky to have one...Now if we can get over our world problem and the dive shops reopen, would be nice to use that reg again this summer.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Glad to hear you love the Kraken and double hoses John. Bet you get asked if your a rebreather diver now. We all are waiting for the old normal to return. Until then, thanks for watching. Alec

[@johnmichaelsaraceno7339]

@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter what I've been asked is if I was a photographer or some of the older divers tell me I remind them of the old show that featured Loyd Bridges...Sea Hunt.. By the way Jonathan Bird's from Blue World uses a Kraken.

[@SEA-O2]

The amount of businesses that have closed down due to the covid fiasco, is very sad, Kraken too succumbed. Thank you for keeping the faith Alex, our stories are similar...we carry the torch 👌

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Hope they can rise again, it's a great reg. A

[@ts440s]

Unfortunately I just saw that the owner of Vintage Double Hose passed away a few months ago 😢 he seemed to be very nice over the phone his skills will be greatly lost and is a reminder to pass on any unique skills you have before we are gone. RIP Bryan.

[@pricediver]

After you arrived at the dive site 1. Carefully remove the dust cap from the regulator. 2. Put your regulator on to the tank. 3. Put your BCD on to the tank ( Make sure that the regulator body should be nice and low between your shoulder) When you ready to jump into the water 1. Close the DSV mouthpiece to prevent free-flow. (Make sure the air is on) 2. Check all your equipment before entering the water. After dive. 1. Turn off the DSV mouthpiece and blow all of the remain water out through the exhaust hose. 2. Before even turn off the air tank, pour a lot of freshwater on to the regulator 3. Go ahead blow til the pressure is zero and then remove the regulator carefully! 4. MAKE SURE THAT THE DUST CAP IS DRY BEFORE YOU PUT IT ON!!! MAKE SURE THAT THE DUST CAP AND THE NOB IS SECURE CAN NOT MOVE A BIT !!!! 5. (If this is available hang the regulator upside down) ( Or soak it in a box full of freshwater) After arrive at the hotel 1. Carefully remove the hoses 2. Clean the regulator can with freshwater. MAKE SURE THAT THE INTAKE IS BLOCKED, SO NO WATER CAN ENTER INTO THE MAIN BODY) 3. Or open up the can clean each piece at a time. 4. Clean other gear throughly with freshwater. After arrive at home 1. Carefully remove the hoses 2. Clean the regulator can with freshwater. MAKE SURE THAT THE INTAKE IS BLOCKED, SO NO WATER CAN ENTER INTO THE MAIN BODY) 3. Open up the can and clean outside and inside of the can thoroughly with freshwater ( NOT NOT NOT THE MAIN MECHANISM) 4. Clean the hoses and the mouthpiece 5. Wait until the regulator is dry out 6. Put the regulator in a zip lock seal the bag. MAKE SURE THAT YOU SUCK THE AIR OUT OF IT ! 7. Go enjoy your day. Made a list of how to maintain it haha. Did I miss anything?

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Whew!! Nope. I think you got it covered. Diving with a 2 hose is a bit like riding a vintage motorcycle. It takes about 3 hours for a 1-hour ride - 30 minutes before the ride making sure all is ready to go, 1 hour for the ride and 1.5 hours afterwards checking, adjusting, tightening and cleaning. Thanks for the information. Alec

[@spud4169]

Nice😮

[@seikibrian8641]

I always put my BCD onto the tank *before* I put the regulator on the tank. The tank band slips over the tank valve much easier if there's no regulator getting in the way.

[@Str8Flossin]

This is awesome! Was expecting them to cost double what they are listed for. I love the vintage look. Looks like the hoses could pose a problem with drag fining into a heavy current but maybe not. Thanks Alec!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

There is certainly some increased drag in a heavy current but not unmanageable. The hose weights keep the hoses low on your shoulders. It's surprisingly affordable - right in the middle of the average cost of a new reg. Alec

[@Str8Flossin]

Alec Peirce Scuba I think I found my next regulator. At that price point it's too cool not to have

[@markstengel7680]

So Cool. Hi Alec, I've seen the Kraken name but never heard of company so i didn't read or view info/videos. I like a company to do the unusual and this is it. Pure vintage retro. I like bubbles in back. Alec this is simply marvelous. I trust what you say, your the greatest. Best Regards 👍

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Glad you like it Mark. You can have vintage, all the safety gear and easy breathing. Thanks for watching. Alec

[@juancaicedo5208]

Love this guy. Keep doing what you are doing my friend. Videos are great and very informative. Thank you!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Thank you Juan. I appreciate your support. Alec

[@GuidoCandiani]

Wow, I love this. It looks so much as my old Royal Mistral, but with all the modern features. Cant’ wait to try one. thank you very much.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Hope you can find one on the second hand market. The gent who made them passed away last year and the vintage community is still thinking about building another lot. They are unique, fully functional and so cool. A

[@rickkinney2544]

That looks stunning! Before I first became a diver back in the late 60's I cut up an old vacuum cleaner hose so I could pretend to be Mike Nelson diving. I wore out the pages of my U.S.Diver catalog looking at regulators, tanks and the like. James Bond's Thunderball made me want to hop in the water and "borrow" one of the diver's gear that didn't need it any more (he got speared or whatever). Bottom line, this is how I always imagined diving would look. Great video.

[@martinbachmann6283]

Brother Rick, VERY COOL story! {Ya, those "speared-guys" didn't need it for sure!}

[@TheTeeDay]

I combined this regulator with an OTS spectrum and it is the greatest combination ever. My diving is so much more comfortable, quieter and I can get so much closer to fish.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Plus it looks so cool!!! Alec

[@TheTeeDay]

Alec Peirce Scuba I wish I could post a picture of my setup

[@TheTeeDay]

Alec Peirce Scuba just got my abv valve for the spectrum and my kraken combo. I can now don everything, breath without taking up air and turn on the air right before I jump in.

[@lloydpalmaymesa9528]

I've had my Kraken for 2 or 3 yrs now and have around 100 dives on it. The trick as mentioned in some other responses is to set up your gear properly. I put together a tech style rig that is a combination of parts from several manufacturers with the end result being a durable, very comfortable Bc setup that puts the Kraken low and squarely between my shoulder blades. I also experimented some with hose weights until I got the hose neutral in the water. Not enough weight and the hoses act like a float which you can feel pulling upward on your mouth. I also have other regulators, a high end Atomic and a Scubapro S600, both are easy breathers and solid performers but I find that I almost always use the Kraken..It's really preferable once it's set up correctly. In fact I use the S600 as the Octopus Reg with the Kraken. The S600 with the big venturi adjust knob is ideal for a backup, I keep the venturi knob closed then open it only if I'm using it. I'll sometimes switch to the S600 if I'm going straight down an anchor line for instance..The Kraken is a great easy breather but the laws of physics still apply and it is more difficult to draw air in in a head down position. I'm sure some people don't care but I find bubbles in my face to be very annoying and have a hard time using a single hose reg knowing that I have a Kraken to use. This is an extremely reliable regulator that just always works..Just soak it some and flush fresh water through it after use then Take the hoses off after a trip and clean them thoroughly. It's interesting with all the people who ask about it on the dive boats..Most people don't realize how annoying bubbles in the face are until it is brought to their attention. Several times people have commented that after looking at the Kraken underwater they started noticing the annoying bubbles and I'm sure a couple of them now have Krakens. I love this reg and would highly recommend it for any experienced diver..Takes just a bit of getting used to and the safety procedures are a little different but it all becomes second nature very quickly...

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Thanks for all your input Lloyd. I think what's most valuable in your detailed comment is that every diver is different and you need to experiment with your gear until it works perfectly for you. Any other diver may not like it but for you it's right! And practice using it until it becomes second nature. Maybe this is hard to believe but I was so comfortable underwater and with my gear that it virtually wasn't a factor while diving. On two different occasions I fell asleep while diving! One time I was resting on a rock ledge just getting rid of some gas and enjoying the warm water and sunshine at the top when I dozed off. I was face down on the ledge and the reg was pushed into my mouth so I didn't have a care in the world. Woke up with a start I'll tell you! But, no problem. Thanks for your input. Alec

[@lloydpalmaymesa9528]

Interesting Comment you had about being comfortable with your gear once the bugs are worked out. Reminds me of a recent dive in Cozumel. My gear was working perfect, weight was perfect, I had my newbie dive buddy straightened out to the point where she was paying close attention and staying close. And to top it off we had a nice steady current moving us along a nice reef..Yucab I believe it was. I recall thinking that it was kind of like sitting on the couch watching the Reef go by.. Didn't fall asleep but I thought about it..Good times..

[@Darreninnyc]

If your new to scuba I would wait. I want one so bad, but it would be a nostalgic item I don’t need but really want. I’ve been diving 20years.

[@Vintagedoublehose1964]

While I would agree the new diver should simply follow the course with the gear recommended by his instructor and then branch out to double hose diving in the future, I disagree that the Argonaut Kraken is merely a "nostalgic" piece of equipment. It is a thoroughly modern regulator designed to be used in almost every diving scenario that today's divers is involved in. It was designed from the ground up to support all modern accoutrements that divers use today and it enjoys success around the globe because of it. Is it for everyone....Without a doubt the answer is No. But for a diver with specific tasks and goals in mind it fills a purpose no other regulator does. If you simply want "nostalgia" VDH can provide service, repair and parts to bring many double hose regulators from the 50's to the 70's back in excellent diving condition.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

I would have thought the same Darren but It's surprising how most Kraken owners are young divers. That is, too young to have any nostalgic feelings about a 2 hose reg. Realize that 2 hose regs were disappearing by the late 60's and gone by the mid 70's. Anyone who used them or was trained on them has to be at least 60 years old. I suppose the Kraken is like a lot of things these days - we don't need, but we want. The list is long - Guns, motorcycles, old cars, women - Sorry. Scratch that last one!!! With the Kraken at least you can use it every day (unlike the items in the list). It can easily become your main regulator. Alec

[@alaind831]

I'm not that old, but I started with 2 hose reg in late 70s, early 80s. Guess we just had old gear.... I get the nostalgic part (about to dive back home and find an anchor I dove when I was 12 with brother and dad very long time ago - hopefully we find it again and film it this time) but I wouldn't get one. I like my light weight for travel and efficient drag rig to much to pose with a double now. Sorry...

[@thomashagin1772]

Hello Mr. Pierce, You mentioned in your Vintage Scuba series that some dive shops won't let you dive if you have a modernized vintage reg, I assumed that because cant attach a safe second or SPG to old regs. Since you can attach them to the Kraken can dive shops turn you away for using it? Thanks in advance, I'm a huge fan, Thomas

[@ctclimberguy34]

I like how the majority of exhaust bubbles come out the back.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

With any 2 hose reg, the exhaust port is part of the body of the reg which is attached to the tank. Hence, bubbles come out the back. Alec

[@chrisrasmussen3822]

Mine came today. Can’t wait to dive with it.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

You'll love it. Good luck. Alec

[@ts440s]

Where did you buy it I can't find them.

[@seikibrian8641]

@@ts440s Unless you buy a used one, the only place to buy them is from the manufacturer. He's only making a dozen or so per month, and they sell out quickly. If you order one now you might get it in October.

[@anthonyappleyard5688]

I had a twin-hose Nemrod regulator made in the 1980's. Its mouthpiece had an extra rubber flap that went outside the lips and extended into a strap that went behind the neck, to strap the mouthpiece in. Once in shallow sea with it I let myself go completely limp as if unconscious. I automatically rolled over to belly-up, and my cheeks ballooned out, but the mouthpiece remained in place and watertight.

[@Maxyshadow]

So exciting! Now I can use a double hose like my heroes did when I was a kid.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Wow!!! Alec

[@WadeAbout]

Nice to see the biolite get a run too! My current rig when I’m traveling. I smashed about 400 dives on it last year.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Love that vest. Does it for me really well. Take care. Alec

[@PROSTO4Tabal]

Hi Alec, can you make some more videos with this unique scuba regulator? To be honest your youtube channel is well regognized because of double hose vintage diving. More interestingly Kraken is the only one newly build with modern parts and reliable. Kraken is really worth closer look. Thanks !

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

I wanted to but the COVID has interrupted VintageDoubleHose.com production from suppliers. Hope to do one in a year or so with the newest model for viewers like you.

[@SilentScreamer413]

You actually made me buy one. I got a used one actually as the shop was constantly out of stock. I love it. However I'm still learning. Today I had difficulties purging water from it. I also did the mistake on my first dive not to lower it enough making it hard to breathe. The more I use it the more I like it. Maybe I'm the only one in Japan diving with a Kraken...

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Great to hear you're a modern double hose diver. Keep practicing and read all the information on setup and position on VintageDoubleHose.com. Also welcome to ask the community for help on www.scubaboard.com. A

[@SilentScreamer413]

@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Thank you sir. There is a learning curve, especially for guys like me who never used a double hose before but I must say that I love my Kraken. I wish I could support them more as it's an amazing product that deserves to be known and preserved.

[@swedendive]

Nice video - and cool regulator. I suppose it have a "nice" price as well;)

[@Atrinax]

That were some fantastic pictures and music. Hope one day I'll try it.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Hope so too. They temporarily stopped making them due to supplier problems but will return, like many things in our lives, to normal soon. Thanks.

[@sharkbaitmedia1]

Hey Alec, thanks for the review on this product. Also I noticed you answer every posting, which is a ton of work but greatly appreciate. This unit is interesting for photo work but the down side might outway the positive. Is it possible to get these serviced in Toronto? Do they even have units available? Is there a retail structure in place or just direct sales? Any answers greatly appreciated. Did you send the test unit back or is it in the shop? -Rob

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

I love the Kraken. It was crowd funded by many vintage and modern divers at www.vintagedoublehose.com. Bryan sells direct from this site as its low volume, hand assembled and tested. The unit shown was his only test unit and returned (sad face). Bryan and other experienced divers regularly make improvements each batch. Service is very easy as the 1st and 2nd stage are together so a knowledgable and capable person can get the service kit and diy. I checked his site and due to COVID, cannot make any new ones until business start up again. Keep in touch with him to place an order when it starts up again.

[@Mrich775]

One of my favorite regulators to dive with! Combine it with a Seatec modern horsecollar and you can have retro fun with all new gear!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

A modern Horse Collar!! OK. If it works and is safe, go crazy. Take care. Alec

[@Mrich775]

Perfectly safe, Seatec just still makes them for the US Military, I use their wings for everything else and went for the horsecollar as well.

[@tburns8719]

great regulators, I love mine, I have 3 ... been diving a while, first class in 78, instructor since 85 everything from rebreathers to free diving, and I quit counting dives long ago. I really enjoy mine for Photo and spearfishing for lion fish , it doesn't seem to spook sea creatures as much as a single hose.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

That's a common comment so I have to go along. Personally I don't find much difference but maybe the exhaust is broken up more into smaller bubbles. You have 3 of them so that makes you an official double hoser!! For y'all out there that don't know what a hoser is, that's a Canadian term to describe a backwards person, maybe comparable to a loser, goof or idiot. Google 'Hoser' or search KZbin for 'MacKenzie Brothers' for an idea. However, a double hoser is NOT derogatory. That's a diver who really knows where his air is coming from!! Take care T. alec

[@DannyB-cs9vx]

I remember on an old TV show called Sea Hunt they always cut the exhaust hose in a fight. It didn't effect the diver one bit, but the audience assumed the diver was no longer getting air.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

As a Sea Hunt expert, I know that TV trick well. They cut the exhaust side, not the air side! This was so the diver could still breath in but lots of bubbles out. If you want to learn about Sea Hunt, watch my playlist "Sea Hunt Remembered" where I show my Guinness World Record for Sea Hunt memorabilia on KZbin.

[@DannyB-cs9vx]

@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Sea Hunt did make an impression on me, (maybe to this day). I still keep an eye out for a giant octopus waiting to grab me or a giant clam to grab my foot. I looked into the Kraken reg as I am getting back into the sport after about 40 years away. It is no longer available. The manufacturer says Covid shut down his parts suppliers and he don't have funding to continue. Maybe after a bit he can start back up.

[@avramcollins6409]

Hey Alec! Great review on this product. To help your viewers who are interested in this product, another pro is camera work. No bubbles in your face or in the camera since it releases in the back. Thank you for the info you pushed out, i would love to own one if i was rich but i just bought gear haha. Im a new follower of your channel, great advice!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Glad you liked it. Agree with why pro's like double hoses so you may like this video Kevin did on Kraken Users around the World. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKmUgmVmj8SrfaM

[@ianmitchell3309]

I have one of his 1st generation ones (breathing adjustment is on the back of the unit). In the Red Sea our guides would not let me use it on any wreck dives in case of hose damage and wondered how well would the safe second work if you have a full freeflow from a cut mouthpiece hose (perhaps I should have never shown them episodes of Sea Hunt). At home in the UK the lack of EN250 approval also does not go down well and on RIB dives they can be more of a challenge getting back on the boat. I have not used my one since last Sunday for a 50 minute beach dive in the English Channel (DIN version of course).

[@Vintagedoublehose1964]

Heavy nylon gaiters have been available for the Argonaut Kraken hoses for a couple of years now. They are used extensively by rebreather divers to protect their hoses while diving wrecks. I think there is a video on my channel of me trying to cut through my hose on a sharp piece of wreck and it didn't really do much to the gaiter.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

I can't believe the Kraken hoses are subject to hose tearing. They are much tougher than old 2 hose regs and virtually impossible to cut or tear or dislodge. The Red Sea guide must not have been informed about the Kraken (not surprising). If the hose did tear or come off, it would not affect the operation of the safe second. The 2 are largely unrelated as they are fed independently from the 1st stage. Contrary to what Mike Nelson (Sea Hunt) may have told you, a torn or dislodged hose on a 2 hose reg doesn't necessarily lead to a runaway free flow. And with the high volume flow from the Kraken there'd be lots of air to operate the safe second. Take care. Alec

[@SomaliCoastguard]

Following on from Ian's comment I've just reminded myself that EN250-14 advises against the use of an Octopus instead recommending use of twin first stages on an H valve, for single cylinder diving. Looking at the size of the Kraken this does not seem feasible. On a slightly different note albeit the Kraken looks very interesting the waiver frankly gives me significant pause for thought. Now I know that in the UK it would be thrown out of court as utterly unenforceable but of more concern for me is how in the event of a problem with the Kraken my dive insurer might react given the manufacturer has tried to exclude all liability for design or manufacturing problems...saying in effect "dive with this at your own peril"! I would be interested if VDH has discussed their stance with or had any feed back from any of the major US and European Insurers or training organisations.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Sometimes the recommendations of a safety institution are simply not practical. Note that EN250-14 as with CSA standards for diving are not intended for recreational divers but for professional divers, divers getting paid to work. Generally these recommendations are enforced through labor laws that don't apply to recreational divers. Also, such safety institutions do not consider cost nor practicality when making decisions. Unfortunately recreational diver do consider both. EN250-14 aside, the use of H valves is almost non-existent in recreational diving. The use of the octopus is almost universal. Alec

[@OverlandTT]

It was almost majestic watching you underwater. I find diving very relaxing...

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Majestic huh Peter. Been called a lot of things but I don't think majestic was ever used before to describe me. Take care Peter. Hoping to see you soon. Alec

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Peter, please message me at [e-mail] . Alec

[@JURASSICDIVERUK]

Awesome, absolutely love it!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

It's pretty neat alright - and it's a fantastic subca regulator to use too. Alec

[@JURASSICDIVERUK]

Alec Peirce Scuba would great to see a UK dive shops. They should speak to Underwater Explorers www.underwaterexplorers.co.uk/

[@raymondburelle3425]

Great video Alex this seems like it would be handy for photographers as the bubbles are behind you

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Some photogs swear by it. I'm sceptical of that benefit but it certainly has merit. Take care Raymond. Alec

[@seikibrian8641]

"this seems like it would be handy for photographers as the bubbles are behind you" Jonathan Bird, an Emmy Award-winning underwater photographer and videographer, uses double-hose regulators a lot. On his "Blue World" TV programs over the years I've seen him use vintage regulators, the commemorative-edition Aqua~Lung Mistral re-issue, and most recently a Kraken. He sure seems to like them for what he does.

[@barryinkpen6026]

I met the designer in Grand Cayman a number of years ago and would have had an opportunity to give one a try but was flying home that day. Damn!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Bryan is a pretty good guy. If you get another opportunity to try a Kraken, jump on it. Alec

[@barryinkpen6026]

@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Actually it was Luis who I met. Had I known a day earlier it would have worked out. Love the videos Alec. Hard to believe you have so much vintage gear. I still have my first "new" reg, a Healthways Scubastar TD. $50.

[@ts440s]

So Sorry to hear that Bryan passed away I even asked him to teach me his craft to service these regulators due to the same area as I lived in.I also wanted my son to learn the hobby, he unfortunately turned me down and now his skills are gone forever. As for the Kraken I have one I'm saving for my son one day and wanted to know if anyone out there happens to be so kind to sell me a first stage rebuild kit I would love to tell the story about the doublehose regulator and let him experience this pastime. Thanks and RIP, Bryan.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

It was a sad day with Bryan's passing. The Kraken was his love and a great regulator too. Check with Rob who may have 1st stage kits or point you to who may have parts. Tell him Alex sent you then listen to a long winded rant about this old diver! Rob's web site is: www.thescubamuseum.com/Online%20Store/onlinestore.htm A.

[@ts440s]

@Alec Peirce Scuba Thank you so much. You have been such a great role model for the younger generation, and I would love to see my son like you one day. I really miss Scuba 2000 videos and the old long hose heated discussions everyone would get into, thanks again, stay healthy and keep us up to date if you ever make any trips to Florida as I would love to get some vintage gear signed and meet you. You are a legend.

[@johnthomas2070]

Get Kraken ALEC!!!!!!! Lloyd would love that Regulator!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Lloyd used a VOIT Lung. It was no 'easy breather'. I'm sure he would have liked a Kraken. Alec

[@whisperwarehouse]

What are the benefits of this regulator? In what circumstances would this double be more ideal than a decent single house regulator?

[@anas_moto]

Whisper Warehouse valid question, apart from no bubbles in your face which makes a difference when shooting photos/videos underwater. I wonder if its worth trying?

[@anas_moto]

and i prefer to have the purge option in my regulator

[@alaind831]

good question and no answer ? I suppose when you have a gopro mounted on your head, the lack of bubbles in your face would be nice indeed.

[@brettwad360]

Love the videos Alec! Would this be an effective alternative for cold water divers? Cold water diving isn't my expertise as I live in FL, but it would it's very cool that they would have a niche use other than the retro factor :D

[@Vintagedoublehose1964]

As Alec details in the video, double hose regulator have always been popular for use under the ice as the first and second stages are isolated from the water. The Argonaut Kraken has been used many times under the ice.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

The retro factor is obvious but as a performing scuba regulator, the Kraken is hard to beat and is perfect in any environment. Alec

[@JR-kk6ce]

Good God, I'm old! I remember those old, two house regulators. I would tie off my hoses to the regulator with wire ( no zip ties back then.) I loved them because I had more visibility and less turbulence around my face because the exhaust was in the back. The only drawback in my view was that in really strong currents the hoses would flap up and down. No certification required in those days. No BC, no pressure gauge, no octopus rig. Just a J valve that you would pull when the breathing got hard giving you 300 psi of reserve air. Remember how clear the water was then, how many big fish there were?

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Diving today is easy and safe but ... diving in the 50s/60s was incredible. The fish, the reefs, the water, the wrecks - everything was pristine, undisturbed and uncrowded. Take care. Alec

[@rgorji]

It's.a nice and beautiful setup. But perhaps it's time has passed for the current "modern regulators." Perhaps one would own one and dive when feeling nostalgic. It would be interesting to see one where one necklaces the octopus regulator and then breaths out of the Kraken. Thank you for the video.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

The hose set-up is the same as with any modern reg. The SPG hangs on your left side, the BCD hose over your left shoulder and the octo hangs on a clip in the middle of your chest. Everything seems to work easily. Using this beautiful regulator will pretty much eliminate the DIR divers who want a 7' primary, short octo and give up their primary in an emergency. Ain't gonna' work here!!!! I agree that nostalgia is a big motivator but I have friends, too young to be nostalgic about double hose regs, who use and love them. Maybe they just like to be different. Take care Reza. Alec

[@rgorji]

Great points. Thank you. It is a beautiful setup no doubt. Recently when I finished a dive and came to the surface, I saw a gentleman with a double hose regulator and a Fenzy!! It was very neat to see. Of course he still had a J valve and no spg.

Hello Alec! First of all, I just love your page and the fact that you are sharing all your knowledge. You are teaching me new stuff all the time and I love it. Being an older diver and also an instructor I know that you must never stop learning and that you are never too old to pick up on new and good ideas. My first reaction to the Kraken is "I WANT THIS". I hate to get boubles in my face but cannot alway dive with my rebreather. This would do the trick for all other kinds of diving. However - is it sold in Europe? I tried to find it but google let me down.

[@KevinSmith-hc4pc]

Hi Marianne. Vintage Double Hose ships the Kraken all over the planet. Contact Bryan at vintagedoublehose.com/contact/ to see how you can get one. None of us are older divers if we are still learning. Take care. Kevin

[@fernandomartins2035]

Nice video ! got myself curious and done some research, the Argonaut price tag of us$575 + options & shipping is up for grabs .

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Surprisingly affordable when compared to other regulators with the level of sophistication. If you're hankering for a double hose regulator, you can't find a better one than the Kraken and the price is no barrier. Alec

[@CritterHunter]

When I'm filming underwater and put my head down to look in the camera view screen, my exhale bubbles hit and shake my camera. Not good for steady footage. I wonder if a double hose would cure that

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

It can help with that problem. Jonathan Bird uses a double hose on many of his Blue World videos.

[@chrisfischer7918]

I just bought my Kraken this year and like it a lot. I do rinse it thoroughly at the end of the day. At the end of the dive season, should I take it apart to wash or can I just leave it as is?

[@Vintagedoublehose1964]

Take the hose loop off. Be sure you have a tight fitting dust cap with a good O-ring and immerse the whole regulator in a container of fresh water. If you have been diving in salt water put in 1/4 cup white vinegar per gallon and let it soak for a few hours. After that rinse out the cans with clear fresh water if you used vinegar and tilt it on the inlet horn so it can drain and dry out. At the end of the season you can remove the can top and inspect it if you like.

[@martinbachmann6283]

VDH, thanks for a very informative reply. Though I don't own a Kraken (yet...), I was wondering just the same as Chris above.

[@jonnieinbangkok]

It looks to me the main functional benefit is the exhaust bubbles are vented behind the divers head (from the first stage) which would be a benefit to photographers and keen marine life observers as it would spook fish less and not interfere with vision. As the hoses are more bulky than standard ones, i would guess there would be a slight penalty moving through the water. Also no free-flows when diving in strong currents as no purge button.Other than that, is the benefit primarily esthetic...to rock a vintage scuba look?

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Your points cover the key benefits but bubbles in the face is a big reason. Of course we vintage divers like because that is what we learned on back in the early decades. A

[@jaggcmi]

Mr. Pierce, how does this compare to the Diver Down modern double hose regulators?

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

The upgraded Aqua-lung Aquamaster is still an old regulator - 50+ years old! But it breaths like it was new - equal to some new regs. It has entirely new and improved 1st and 2nd stage parts plus a new body with ports for HP and LP accessories. The Kraken is brand new, both design and materials. And both have the much better hoses and mouthpiece. The Diver Down regulators are old regs that have been rebuilt and with a new finish. They are very pretty and can be used as a full-time regulator but, they are NOT the same as the new Kraken nor even the same as the upgraded Aquamaters. Alec

[@rpcomms1]

Love that Kraken regulator! wonder if they will do the hoses in aqua blue and yellow?

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Jeez I don't think so. Speak to VIntage Double Hose about that but I believe they are even cutting out the red hoses. Alec

[@Majble]

I’m starting to love this regulator. One concern though, does the two large hoses affect the visibility in comparison with the regular one hose regulator??

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Not really as they should extend out and down if balanced properly. Most masks are the limiting vision factor but in all my years of double hose diving, it has not been a concern to me. Try a double hose sometime. Alec

[@dalemeade4660]

Majble not at all.

[@Majble]

Alec Peirce Scuba thank you for sharing your experience.

[@CAPHOTO1961]

I love my kraken!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Can't argue with that. Maybe we need a new Bumper Sticker - 'The longer I'm married the more I love my Kraken!" Alec

[@Piolo-hp4yi]

Hi Alec I have a question for you: I want to start diving and I have two options the first one is that I get 4 hours in the pool and get Padi eLearning and then get certified in a lagoon, the other one is that I get 12 theoretical hours in presence classes and 8 in the pool, but without being certified in open waters. What option do you suggest to me to begin my journey in scuba diving? Edit: the option 2 costs the half of the first one Thank you.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

This is a very common question and the logical answer is to take the longer course. This is one of those rare cases where logic is wrong! The academic material required to be a safe diver is minimal and very easy to understand. All the mathematics that we were taught years ago is gone. It wasn't needed so it's gone! The tiresome and confusing Dive Tables are gone too and the rules of physics that we had to learn are also gone. It really doesn't matter what Robert Boyle discovered in 1662. All you need to know is that water pressure increases rapidly as you descend, particularly close to the surface, so you have to equalize your ears and you have to breath all the time - not rocket science. Most of the balance of the academic material is environmental and safe practices. So learning that on-line is just as good as sitting in a classroom. Sometimes, with a very good, dedicated instructor you can pick up other good stuff in a classroom but even that has changed. Those instructors are harder to find and agencies discourage adding to or leaving out curriculum. Pool skills are the same regardless of how you do the academics and so are Open water dives. So take all the time you want to learn the academic material on-line at your own pace in your spare time or - sit in a class for 12 hours on their schedule. Some will say that 12 hours is better. Maybe you know all the material already. Do you need 12 hours of someone telling you what you already know? Suppose you're a bit slow and need more than 12 hours? You see? 12 hours in class may be good for some but the on-line course is very effective. Contrary to what some divers think, the on-line scuba course is not new. We had a Home Study scuba course in the 90's that gave the new diver the books and videos to study the academics at home and then come to the store for the final evaluation. Sure it wasn't on-line but it was the same concept. Now it's used universally and the results have been impressive. If you add the cost of the Open Water Dives needed for final certification i think you'll find the cost overall is comparable. Let me know how you make out. Thanks for watching. Alec

[@Piolo-hp4yi]

Alec Peirce Scuba thank you so much Alec I appreciate it. Sure, I will tell you my process through the whole thing, again thank you very much, and have a nice day. :)

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Yep! Being able to quote Boyle's Law has really helped me be a safer diver NOT! Today you need to be in good health - be able to swim and be smart enough to understand all of the book work and pass both the written and skills tests. Oh Sorry! you already said that! The difference is that today you can learn the 'book work' on-line. I don't see the problem. It is 2018 not 1985. If Neo (you know, Mr Anderson from The Matrix) can fly a helicopter after a 2 minute download, surely any idiot can learn to suck & blow underwater! And finally Dave, my buddy, please go into a dive store and ask if they will 'sell' you a scuba certification. Call or email me privately if anyone says "Yes". Take care out there. Alec

[@martinbachmann6283]

diver dave, me too! I've been certified for 22 years, and..... as much as we all found some of the "dive-tables" training (basic, advanced, and enriched) tedious study at times, it at least gave us a good BASIC understanding of what is entailed in becoming like a fish! And yes, when I do find myself "diving with others," I stay VERY wary of those who have just begun, though I do NOT look down upon them, & give excellent advice when they ask (first!)

[@pablorivera376]

Maybe one day I am going to buy one. What I dislike about single hose regulators is the noise of the bubbles.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

As someone who started diving with double hoses, then singles, i agree.

[@la5150hi-lophoto]

Love the picture of the guy from Wisconsin...LOL...where/why would you dive in Wisconsin but my hat's off to ya:)

[@Ibanezjem2010]

I dive regularly in Wisconsin at Lake Wazee

[@danielbond9755]

Lots of shipwrecks in Lake Michigan.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

The best place in the world for a scuba diver to live is close to the Great Lakes. Here in Toronto for example, we have dozens of shipwrecks in Lake Ontario, 30 minutes away, hundreds more in Lake Huron, Lake Erie and Lake Michigan, 2 hours away, and the best shipwreck diving in the world (according to JYC) at Tobermory in Georgian Bay, 3 hours away. Plus we are a 3 hour flight from Florida, a 9 hour drive to the Beluga Whales in Quebec or the Eastern Seaboard with all its sunken ships and submarines. I've dived everywhere in the world, from Alaska to Fiji, Hawaii to South Africa, the Mediterranean, the Red Sea, dozens of Caribbean Islands, Truk, California and Florida a lot and all over Canada and the US. Cold water divers, whether Wisconsin or Canada, are the luckiest (and best) in the world. Take that you warm water softies!! Dive safe wherever you are. Alec

[@ts440s]

What are your thoughts on taking them to deep dives over 60ft, I see the post of there liability waiver that they are not responsible for any failures. This is not comforting past 30ft. Any thoughts I'm guessing liability insurance is so high he would not be able to make them as he said there being made out of his garage. I know all the photos of ice diving and others but wanted your thoughts on reliability. Thanks

[@richardthompson14]

Thanks for the video. I'm curious why the exhaust air is expelled at the regulator instead of at the mouth piece. Are you inhaling some of your exhaled air?

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Double hose regulators are all "one way" airflow, nothing backs up due to multiple one-way valves in the mouthpiece and the 'duckbill' in the regulator. The second hose (left side) takes your exhaust breath and feeds in into the regular to release behind you. Many pro photo/video users like this to remove bubbles coming between them and the camera. Want to see some cool double hose users, watch Sea Hunt on KZbin with Mike Nelson my hero.

[@cumdemon9895]

This would look so badass with an OTS Spectrum full face mask

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Lookin' cool is half the game right? Take care. Alec

[@seikibrian8641]

I just went on a dive with my Spectrum FFM on Sunday, and I realized a potential problem with a Kraken. I had inadvertently got my mask's skirt partially off the rim of my hood near my temple, and it started leaking. No problem; I just hit the purge button every now and then to force the water out of the mask. Same thing when it started to fog up a little; I just held down the purge button to flush the inside of the glass with some cool, dry air. But then it dawned on me that the Kraken doesn't have a purge button. How would I clear a flooded mask? (I did come up with a possible fix, and that would be to manufacture two connectors that would go into the left and right ports on the mask, and I'd separate the two hoses of the Kraken from the mouthpiece and attach one hose to each connector. Then I could keep a standard second stage attached to the mouth of the Spectrum to use as a safe second (attached to a pony bottle with its own first stage) and as a mask purging system. I don't know if that would actually work, but it's something I may look into this summer. I think a 3D printer would work to prototype the connectors.)

[@TheTeeDay]

This is my exact setup. These two systems work great together.

[@seikibrian8641]

@@TheTeeDay The Kraken doesn't have a purge button; how do you clear a flooded mask?

[@TheTeeDay]

SeikiBrian When you take off the Spectrum and do your mask transfer (ffm training) the kraken basically free flows until you get it back on. It already has air in it and a couple good exhales with your head turned down will clear it completely. You can also add air from your octo if needed.

[@matt_hoaglund]

Seeing as though Bryan has sadly passed, manufacturing has stopped and service kits from the scuba museum has sold out… is it worth the trouble of tracking one of these down in the used market? I work at a dive shop that services all manufacturers of regulators. Do these accept parts from modern part kits? I’d love to have one, but not sure it’s worth the time and money. Thank you Alec!!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Krakens had simple and available parts as they were sold around the world. Used ones are still available, parts kits too I believe. Maybe contact Rob at the scuba museum at www.thescubamuseum.com/contact/contact.htm and try www.scubaboard.com to reach current Kraken owners for advice. A

[@menemshaoneninesixeight2487]

The Kraken was designed around and uses US Diver “Conshelf” seats in both stages.

[@ScubaTiger]

Can these be adapted for use with any of the modern full face masks? For example an OTS or an AGA.

[@seikibrian8641]

It could work with the OTS Spectrum and the Scubapro Full Face Dive Mask, but clearing the mask could be difficult because there's no purge button.

[@kylebarfield2603]

SeikiBrian I dive OTS and have never had to clear it. They just don't fog.

[@seikibrian8641]

@@kylebarfield2603 Which OTS? The Spectrum is different than the others; I've had minor fogging in mine when diving in cold Puget Sound. Also, I wasn't referring to defogging, I was referring to clearing a flooded mask.

[@kylebarfield2603]

SeikiBrian gotcha. I use the Guardian so I know they don’t have an adapter for that... yet. The Spectrum should work just fine without an adapter. As far as clearing it of water is concerned... if my ffm were to flood, there’s a problem. I’d likely need to switch over to my safe second or octo and standard mask. I haven’t used the Spectrum. I’d change over to it if I could get this reg. The Guardian keeps pressure so nothing gets in. Is the Spectrum the same or is flooding an issue? Have you gone through the FFM training?

[@seikibrian8641]

@@kylebarfield2603 I haven't done an "official" training session to get a specialty card, but I did some pool dives when I first got it to practice emergency drills, following various videos on the Internet. (BTW, my on-screen avatar shows me wearing the Spectrum on my first pool dive, before I got the ambient breathing valve installed. OTS didn't have one for the Spectrum when they first came out. It raises the package price, but I think it's worth it for any who can manage the extra cost.) With my Aqua~Lung Legend Supreme regulator attached it breathes really nice, and clearing a flood is a simple matter of exhaling while pressing the purge button. It's a great FFM, but the design doesn't flush fresh air across the glass like the Guardian does, so fogging can be a slight problem. I just use the same fog-prevention measures as half-mask divers use (I like baby shampoo followed by a quick rinse), and I'm good to go. I haven't had any leaks, let alone full floods, but clearing is a good skill to have in case a passing octopus pulls it off my face or something. ;-)

[@trombonista92]

I start PADI lessons in 4 days and I seriously want to get into double hose regulators, you do a very good job at making me want to buy a Craken :P , do you think I should start on double hose as soon as I am done with training, or should I first build good instinct with a single hose regulator? I will also ask my instructors, but there is a good chance they will turn out to be in their early 20s so i'm sure your opinion is a lot more valuable :)

[@Darreninnyc]

My reply is above, posted in wrong place.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

The likelihood of your scuba class using 2 hose regs for training is slim (nil!). You will be trained and will learn all the necessary skills to be a good diver using the more common single hose regulator. The Kraken (note the spelling) is the first new double hose reg to be introduced since the 70's and certainly the only high tech, modern one in existence. Maybe, just maybe, you'll have a chance to try a 2 hose regulator which would be an exciting addition to your class. Ask your instructor if that's possible. Once you are certified and feeling comfortable and thinking about getting your own scuba gear, that's the time to look seriously at a double hose. There are lots of places to try them and then you can make an informed decision. Contrary to what some may say (including your instructor), there is no practical reason why a modern double hose i.e. the Kraken couldn't be your daily regulator. Anyone who says that is simply uninformed or hasn't had the opportunity to use one. Take care and welcome to the exciting world of scuba. Alec

[@trombonista92]

thank you :D you got me into this by the way, I got a dive knife a a thrift shop because it was a cool knife, googled about it and found your videos, and here I am , so thank you for that too :)

[@seikibrian8641]

@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter The Kraken is, I think, the SECOND new double hose since the '70s. I think this limited-edition Aqua~Lung (New) Mistral, which only sold for a year or two, was the first: i.skyrock.net/8180/50388180/pics/3240320883_1_3_jDhoSRkB.jpg

[@davidsneary8681]

I want one of those!!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Me too, however the primary builder has passed away so the future of new Kraken's is unknown. A

[@ScoutSniper3124]

How is the Mistral (2005 version) compared to the Kraken. Have you dove with a 2005 Mistral, and if so what are the pros and cons of it. I ask because I just bought a NIB Carbon Fiber Limited Edition 2005 Mistral (still awaiting delivery) and I'd like to know more about it. Thanks!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

The Mistral double hose 2005 is an evolution of their product line with the double hose added. Not having a Mistral to compare let me share some points to consider. The Kraken (which I have held and dived), has lots of LP and HP ports, and with its large diagram is great for cold water diving (less likely to free flow). It was developed from scratch with all modern parts plus large diameter hoses and mouthpiece cut off when on the surface. You will have to compare these features to yours when it arrives. To see the history of the Mistral line, read this great article from VintageDoubleHose.com. vintagedoublehose.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/mistral.pdf

[@chefness2000]

Excuse my ignorance and lack of knowledge but how is this better than the new single house regulator? Mind u the new regulators they say r not way to freeze but how would i know.i don't dive the cold poles anyways , and im not planning to. So can sometime tel me what's the idea behind this invention ?

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Double hose regulators by their design were less likely to freeze. All of the components are grouped together in a single unit in a metal box and protected from the water. However, a double hose reg can freeze if not treated properly. It's just not as likely. Alec

[@PhotographyByDerek]

No bubbles in your face! An added bonus is that the more disbursed bubble pattern from behind your head is quieter to your ears, won't get in the way of a video shot, and is much less likely to spook the marine life. The air travels farther from the regulator to your mouth, allowing to warm slightly, so you don't get that throat tickle that a single hose cold venturi blast can cause. On extended dives, it is also easier on your neck, since the hoses pull evenly in both directions, as opposed to a single hose that always exerts a slight pull to the right. They are easier to service, and tend to stay in tune much longer than most single hose regulators, and can be tuned to breath so easy that you would not believe it, until you dove with one! Need I go on??? The only "down" side is that there is no purge button, but you don't need one, so it isn't there. It is a slightly different skill set, but one that is very easily mastered in a short time.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Pretty good advert for the good ol' double hose Derek. And you're pretty much right. Easier to service might be questionable. You can adjust both the IP and the breathing effort on a single in seconds. It takes a bit longer with a 2 hose but, not a big deal. Not thought about the air getting warmed up as it travel through the intake hose. I guess that depends on the water temp to some degree (pun). Single hose pulls to the right? Hmmm. Not with lightweight flex hoses but maybe you're a more sensitive guy than me. You seem to have thought about this quite a bit and obviously are a fan of 2 hose regs. Let me give you something to think about. When you inhale on a single hose the diaphragm is immediately affected by the pressure drop in the second stage. It's a solid container and immediately in front of your mouth. When you inhale on a double hose, the fairly long flexible hose both contracts (gets shorter) because of the corrugations and it also shrinks (decreases in diameter) because it's rubber like a balloon. These changes are slight (although measurable) but they do reduce the effect of the drop in pressure created by your inhalation. Despite the larger area of the diaphragm, a double hose regulator will always respond with a slight delay and will need greater effort than a properly tuned single hose. Think as well of the fact that once the air starts to flow in a double hose, it reaches the diaphragm almost immediately and begins the process of pushing the diaphragm away from the lever to stop the air flow - before the air has even reached your lips. I love double hose regs and lots of divers are using the Kraken as their main if not only scuba regulator but, they are not perfect. There are some distinct advantages but I think emotions sometimes cloud an objective review. Let's agree that they are sophisticated, easy-breathing devices and cool as hell! Alec

[@rickkinney2544]

To chefkhatib: I haven't bought one, but am giving it some consideration. My reason is perhaps silly, but I always loved watching Sea Hunt and fantasized about diving just like Mike Nelson did with his double hose regulator. When I was old enough to learn to dive, the single hose regulators were more economical so that's what I had to get. Now that I'm much older I have more financial stability and spendable income. I just think it might fulfill a life-long dream of mine. That's pretty much it. I wouldn't be getting it for any superior performance purposes. However, it is much cheaper than buying say, a Corvette Stingray like I always wanted to have. :-)

[@russellcampbell9641]

They are really cool and they are safe.

[@joec.743]

I want one of those! taking photos would be excellent! how are those in cold water?

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Actually, a double hose regulator is one of the best choices if you're a cold water diver. They are about the most resistant to freezing of any style of regulator - not impervious to freezing but close. Take care. Alec

[@schmedlywhiplash6267]

Ya it's nice but I like my Jet Air still..... I buy one of them Karkens sooner or later, I been looking at em,nice reg!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Suck on a Kraken and you'll retire your Jet Air. Take care. Alec

[@rickkinney2544]

The more I watch the Sea Hunt episodes (something I've started doing since watching your videos by the way), the more enticed I am to get a Kracken. It looks pretty cool. I just hope I'm not expected to flip the hoses and mouthpiece over my head like Mike Nelson does all the time on his show. :-)

[@ralphm3791]

Hose weights are they that necessary and what benefits do they offer? I have always enjoyed seeing movies with divers using double hose regulators.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Its a preference only Ralph. Without hose weights (2 oz each) the middle of the hose (between mouthpiece and tank) floats up around your ears. If you ever lost the mouthpiece it would float slowly up, not down like today heavy 2nd stages do. Using weights makes the hose either neutral or negative (resting lightly on the shoulders). Totally up to the diver on where they like the hoses to be. Glad you like it. Alec.

[@ralphm3791]

@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Thank you for your reply. Double hose diving has fascinated me. I am not a certified diver. I would like to try scuba in a pool. Is it possible to try scuba with a double hose regulator?

[@albertbell7120]

Just had visions of my youth days 😂🤣😂🤣😂 Bring back Sea Hunt 🤿

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

I bet Mike Nelson would have loved a Kraken over a 1958 single stage Voit. Double hoses today are safe and fun as long as there are no knife fights! Thanks for watching. Alec

[@rebeccablair9186]

Hello Alec, I have just started diving and I love your videos and sense of humor. Great information. I am very intrigued by this regulator. I'm in the process of picking up my own gear. One of the features I disliked about the rental regulators I've used is the exhaled gas blasts my ears no matter how soft I exhale. This type of reg seems to alleviate that. Would you suggest this reg for a new diver who dives locally in cool, not cold, water, and travels to the tropics? Are they hard to service? Thanks for your thoughts. Oh, and despite it being secondary to function, they do look very cool. Very tech and vintage at the same time.

[@huntergossett4574]

I'm a new diver as well and wanted to get a Kraken too but unfortunately, they aren't available on their website anymore... not sure when they will be available again.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

A Kraken is great for any diver in any temperature. Watch this that Kevin make to see how they work in any water. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKmUgmVmj8SrfaM Hunter is right. Due to the virus and availability of parts, Kraken production has been delayed but will resume some day. Contact Bryan at VintageDoubleHose.com and ask to be on a notify list. They cost the same as mid level single hose but remember there is no purge button on the mouthpiece. You need to learn a new clearing skill for it and the Diver Shutoff Valve. With practice and reading its unique setup, it can be your daily diver reg. Thanks for watching. Alec

[@huntergossett4574]

@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Hey Alec, quick question if you don't mind. What are some reasons to choose a double hose rather than a single hose? Pros/cons kind of thing. I really like the look of the double hose but I'm not sure if I want to go that route whenever Kraken starts up again.

[@Mrich775]

@@huntergossett4574 They are great in cold water, and move the bubbles behind your head, other than that is cool factor for the most part. It can always be a primary regulator, not better or worse, just different. I do suggest if you are looking at taking training courses into the future look into having a single hose as well, as some shops/instructors may be unfamiliar and not want to work with them.

[@huntergossett4574]

@@Mrich775 Thanks, I appreciate the help!

[@Cyjodev]

Wow awesome !! ... If you would advise someone on buying ... scubapro Mk25 /s600 or this kraken double hose ? im curious to know if it would compare to today reg and be better overall ? Thanks again for your vid !!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

There's really no comparison. You're asking me to advise whether to buy a Dodge Challenger or a Chevrolet Impala. Both are modern, latest technology autos but one is accurately styled after a popular 1970's muscle car and the other is a current style with no similarity to its predecessors of the same name. If you have fond memories of the muscle car era and always wanted to drive around in a car that looks and sounds fast, get the Challenger (Kraken). If you don't have any of those nostalgic feelings, get the Impala (Mk25/S600). Both are the best examples of regulators in their category. Good luck. Alec

[@Cyjodev]

Alec Peirce Scuba thanks !! Good to know ;) was wondering if the Kraken was better overall but as I get it they are really good both of them but just a different category .. i do prefer tech over old models even though I like and enjoy the memories and to see them ... so the Kraken style aside wouldnt have advantages really over the mk25/s600 then

[@tommoxjr]

Joel Perron except for the advantage of having bubbles exiting behind your head. Better for photography and also less likely to scare off fish.

[@ts440s]

Hi Alec, are you able to obtain kraken first stage rebuild kits as it looks like he's gone. Thanks any chance you have one I could purchase ?

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Sorry no. My old friend Bryan was the lead for the great Kraken but I do know Rob at the Scuba Museum has some parts. Check this link out: www.thescubamuseum.com/Online%20Store/onlinestore.htm#!/Argonaut-Kraken-items/c/140829187 A

[@johncorreira9148]

Hi Alec big fan! Just wondering would you ever sell your Kraken? Thanks John

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Sorry but it was a loaner from the creator and builder Bryan P. He passed away so Krakens are becoming a collector item until the resume production. A

[@johncorreira9148]

@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter thank you

[@schmedlywhiplash6267]

I'm guessing the 1963 Jet Air is the forerunner to the Kraken. I like my Jet Air and would love to have a Kraken! But then I wouldn't use my Jet Air anymore.😑 I'm so confused on what to do!?🤔 Eh I stick with the Jet Air she's a beauty still today😘😘😘😉

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

The Jet Air was a very basic regulator even by 1906s standards. But it works. There's no comparison to the Kraken which is a modern, very sophisticated piece of scuba gear. You are comparing a firecracker to an Apollo rocket. But, I do like the old Jet Air. Keep wishing for a Kraken. You will love it. Alec

[@joshloose1989]

Where would you go to get a double host regular service I’m from Michigan

[@eddymorajr.3807]

Hi Alec! I'm a big fan of your videos from Miami! I had a question regarding this really cool-looking double-hose regulator, are these the same as rebreathers?

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Nope! These are normal open circuit scuba regulators, well, normal in that they are the same as those used in the 50's and 60's although with all modern technology. Go the the vintagedoublehose.com site for more info. Alec

[@eddymorajr.3807]

Alec Peirce Scuba thanks for clearing that up!

[@ludovicoscarton5436]

Dear Alec, if you are using a dpv, does this regulator free flow? we are thinking about this for a project with the university and we would love your point of view =)

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

The Kraken has no purge button so it will not free flow from the water pusking on the mouthpiece. And the free flow that occurs as a result of the pressure difference between the reg body and the mouthpiece in a double hose would not apply while using a DPV. So, no free flow. Good luck. Alec

[@JohnSmith-ed1sr]

This is awesome Alec. I have a question tho, I see vintage double hose company is selling them. You have to sign a special waiver before they will ship you one. why is that?????

[@Vintagedoublehose1964]

A waiver is required before purchase. It's on the advice of legal council. I also require a waiver before purchasing a Phoenix first stage or doing any service work on equipment.

[@arimunic]

Vintage Double Hose VDH Worldwide LLC waivers for servicing is a no brainer, but is there a specific reason you require waivers for this and the Phoenix? This isn't exactly standard hardware so it makes sense for this kind of regulator.

[@Vintagedoublehose1964]

Yes, it is on advice from legal council who are knowledgeable in the diving industry.

[@arimunic]

Vintage Double Hose VDH Worldwide LLC Thanks for the reply! I had another question if you don't mind. How does the diaphragm size on this compare to other regs? It seems like you could get a much larger one in there so you need to "pull" less since the larger surface area allows for the same force with less pressure.

[@Vintagedoublehose1964]

arimunic Great question and one that would be better and more thoroughly answered in the Argonaut Kraken section of the VDH website message forum

[@MarcWdives]

How does the bubbles compare with a standard reg. Since the bubbles exit the rear, is it quitter or noiser? Also when upside down, how is the house routing?

[@drado1976]

Its a lot quieter. Another thing you'll notice is that you'll be able to get closer to the fishes when taking photos or doing videos.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

I've heard this from photographers for many, many years. I did a lot of photography and videography underwater, some professional and I never really saw or felt a big difference. The air bubbles still make noise - it's the same volume of air and the same exhaust valve. I doubt the fact the air discharge is 12" farther back makes the fish relax much. But some of my old dive buddy photogs swore it was better. Maybe my fish were smarter! There are lots of reasons to get a double hose regulator but getting closer to the fish isn't one I'd bank on. The fish are watching the diver not the bubbles. Take care Ed. Alec

[@Floodbait_117]

Man I want one

[@h20doctor]

I'm honored to be in your video

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Pleased to feature divers actually diving with the Kraken. Alec

[@Zvika777]

? Great presentation ... looks comfort.. How will it behave in 100 ft

[@Vintagedoublehose1964]

The Argonaut Kraken has been used well beyond 100' and on one occasion in Truk at 210'

[@Zvika777]

WOW ... do you have world wide importers ?

[@Vintagedoublehose1964]

I have been shipping the Argonaut Kraken around the globe since 2014. It is not CE certified just so you know.

[@Zvika777]

Thanks a lot, Just learned that a friend has the system. will check it out. Great work :-)

[@MurrayBogart]

with exhaust behind your head the fact that the bubbles stay away from your eyes and therefore you camera. Might have real advantage to photographers and videographers

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

So they say. I've made hours of video and thousands of shots using a single hose and I've never seen my own bubbles. Alec

[@LloydStewart333]

@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Interesting comment Alex. I, in fact, purchased the Kraken (though I haven't received it yet) in order to reduce the chance that skittish reef fish will run from me when I exhale, which has happened to me too many times to count, just as I am about to snap a picture. And I thought that some professional photographers used a re-breather for that very reason. Am I mistaken? I don't usually see my bubbles either, but the fish do, and it's often bye, bye blue angelfish! But I defer to your highly valued words of enlightenment.......and I really mean that and decidedly value your experienced explanations over virtually all others!

[@seikibrian8641]

@@LloydStewart333 Famed underwater cinematographer Jonathan Bird of BlueWorldTV likes double-hose regulators for exactly the reasons you cite. See, for example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5XCnWmsgJZmmbM

[@seikibrian8641]

@@LloydStewart333 Here's another Blue World episode, this one a little shorter but with more closeups of Mr. Bird: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpnRkplpZrWIeLM

[@ChristopherBurgert]

I found the website that sells them, but I can't seem to find what the price is or if it's even available anymore. Would be cool to own.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

I checked VintageDoubleHose.com and here is the price page for reference. vintagedoublehose.com/store/#!/Argonaut-2020-CLICK-HERE-For-more-information-on-availability/p/59429200/category=8222661 They just finished filling a big order for clients around the world and will be open to new orders in a few months. Watch them on Facebook to find out when you can order one. facebook.com/vdoublehose/ Its a very cool experience. Alec

[@chrisrasmussen3822]

I dove an old USD double hose (it was rebuilt) back on the late 70. Awful. I have a brand new Kraken coming as I write this. Excited to try it. Has a second LP and a HP port. Got a safety second reg and in air integration sensor For it.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

The old double hose regs were no joy to use, even if rebuilt. Modern regs are much easier to breathe. You will love your Kraken. Alec

[@jacquespoirier9071]

I have a 2 stage USD double hose and I've done the phoenix ( balanced with extre HP and LP ports) first stage and HPR second stage with a silicone main diaphragm, i'll never return to the original non balanced setup, the regulator works so much better

[@russellcampbell9641]

Remember Folks, this is a FULLY modern regulator and should not be compared to Vintage regulators for 50-60 years ago. But it is neo/retro Cool no mater what!

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Right Russell. I compare the Kraken to the new retro cars like the Dodge Challenger or Chevrolet Camaro. Fully modern, high tech but looks like the classics from old. Alec

[@MegaBoilermaker]

Still using a Seibe Gorman "Merlin" and a Nemrod twin hose.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

I have a complete set of the various Nemrod 2 hose regulators. Good looking stuff. I have never dived with them. Nemrod was the only regulator that I know of that experimented with 3 stages in an effort to reduce breathing effort. Obviously the idea did not catch on. Take care. Alec

[@MegaBoilermaker]

@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter It is a very good regulator Alex and you should have no fear in using it.

[@firaskudsi]

Hello Mr Pierce... a great fan 😊😊 Can you please tell us your experience on best ways of underwater navigation specially in poor viz water... thank you Sir

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Underwater navigation is more magic than science. With a good compass, lots of practice and a clear idea of where you are in relation to the surface features, you MIGHT get back to your starting point. Until we're able to use GPS underwater, that's the best you can do. Generally I would just determine which direction would get me back to shore, any shore. Then when I got lost (not if, but when), I could just swim in that direction knowing eventually I'd hit shore. To return to your exact entry point after a scuba dive in low vis water is as much luck as skill. Good luck. Alec

[@firaskudsi]

Alec Peirce Scuba need a video please to learn from your sheer experience please ☺️ VIDEO VIDEO VIDEO Sir ☺️

[@alaind831]

if you dive off a boat (or kayak like I do most of the time) I find that underwater sonar very valuable - www.desertstar.com/page/divetracker-scout

[@vikmartin-more4735]

Wonderful but, where can I purchase?

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Sadly the maker of the great Kraken passed away. Although not for sale today, members of the vintage community are working to take over making the Kraken again. Check back at VintageDoubleHose.com for updates. A

[@joexszirovicza2208]

Hi Alec. Where can I buy one of these? The manufacturers website isn't working. Thanks Joe S.

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Hi Joe. Just answered this in your previous comment. I really wish the Kraken to continue but as of now its stopped. A

[@joexszirovicza2208]

@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Thanks. Bummer

[@Richard1976]

What is the advantage over a normal regulator?

[@1984mrdale]

Richard van Tricht the bubbles get blown out behind your head. Preferred by photographers so that bubbles are less likely to get in the shot.

[@blacknblue11]

Hi Alec greetings from Norway. Does this work with a twin sett? I Would love to have this. Safe diving😊

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

For sure. Mount it on a tank DIN and go. For more ideas, watch this video Kevin did on Kraken divers around the world. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKmUgmVmj8SrfaM

[@blacknblue11]

@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Thanks for the Quick reply. I have both din and a yoke adapter on my twin sett. I currently have only one regulator and it's a yoke regulator. I Would love to supply with this one. It dont cause any problems to have the first stage a litle bit to the side and not in the middle?

[@scubasteveandunderwaterroc3547]

Just wondering why is there no dust cap?

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

We took it off to make the pictures clearer. As with any regulator a quality dust cap is critical. Take care. Alec

[@ChattingwithMarkStise]

Awesome video as always, is that your pool?

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Yes Mark. If you check out my KZbin channel 'Alec Peirce at the Ranch', you'll see where I live and the pool. Thanks for your comment and for watching. Alec

[@ChattingwithMarkStise]

Alec Always a pleasure my friend

[@pablorivera376]

Hello, do you know where they sell them? I live in Canada. Thanks

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

Sadly the sole maker of the great Kraken passed away last year. The vintage community is working on resuming production but there is no timeline yet. Only option today is a used model but not many will give them up.. A

[@derekp7864]

Hi Alec, how did you manage without pressure (contents) guages?

[@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter]

There was always pressure checker gauges, on the surface. We had to know know much starting air was in the tank and at the end of the dive to estimate future dive depth/times. When the SPG came along, we still used surface checkers to verify fills before getting ready for dives. Hope this answers you Derek.

[@seikibrian8641]

"...how did you manage without pressure (contents) guages?" We knew about how much air we would use at a given depth based on prior experience, so we pre-planned our dives based on our deepest planned depth, and then we used our dive watches to tell us when to turn the dive. If we misjudged and ran low, we'd pull our J-valve reserve levers to give us enough air to reach the surface. It usually worked. ;-)