The Lana Del Rey Effect (Part 2)

[@sagihai]

I think that a big part of her personality and charm is that she is NEVER the main character. She is shy and always there for others but she never promotes herself/her music and it's very special and makes you feel like she's not that big celebrity that she is

[@nyssa6217]

And at the end we feel she so charasmatic, humble and genuine that she turns itself the main character in your hearts, like any movie or series who secondary characters take over the glam

[@Medallion88_]

We will never forget Lana Del Ray. I mean just look at her name, how could you forget that. It sticks your brain, you’ll randomly start saying it through the day and be like “Where did that come from?” or “Where do i know that name from?”. Lana is Physical Media. When you think of Vinyls, instantly Lana, in Black & White, comes to mind.

[@zephyrz9478]

And u spelt it wrong ….

[@Medallion88_]

@@zephyrz9478 i figured that i did. Thank you Queen ❤️🫶🏾

[@delaneyw.6118]

I have loved lana since 2012 when i was a 7th grader and found dark paradise on tumblr … growing up with her music literally made me the person I am today. She is truly a poet and absolutely timeless we will never forget you Lana

[@jaykay1899]

Every time I close my eyes…

[@billiek444]

Lana could write any Taylor album but Taylor could never write a Lana album.

[@mustafamehdi1663]

Thank you for comparing two incredibly talented women who are very different

[@billiek444]

@@mustafamehdi1663 your welcome !!!!

[@paduanicoc.7019]

agreed, the only Taylor albums that appealing to me are Folklore and Evermore. Taylor relies more into commercial sound or pop sound, bet she would not be as popular as today if she continues on making the same genre as Folklore and Evermore. Whereas Lana's transition from genre to genre is so smooth as if she's literally her own genre. taylor could never write Ultraviolence, NFR or Honeymoon, when you hear her name the first thing that will come to your mind is she's a pop genre artist not an alternative or folk.

[@Freezerbride5]

Exactly

[@bobbybubby7977]

@@mustafamehdi1663 I think the comparison is warranted. Taylor has clearly been inspired by Lana in her songwriting.

[@silvilro]

Lana del Rey dated an Italian guy, that's why the song was called Salvatore (that in Italian is a male name and also a way to say "savior") ... so it's a inspiration to Italy

[@tanyariviera1704]

that guy was francessco carozni - he is a w*nk#r & treated Lana like crap

[@elektrablacksky]

That was such an accurate prediction of Taylor’s album.

[@bobbybubby7977]

Radiohead was sued for Creep by The Hollies for it sounding like “The Air I Breathe” (and The Hollies won) which makes the Lana lawsuit extra ridiculous.

[@kk_renee]

EXACTLY. fucking hypocrites!

[@bluedaisies7]

Lana's part on don't call me angel is the best! I listen to it on a loop and that's all you need.

[@1234willali]

Only listen to Lana part lol. Seductive, a full grown woman singing. Not little girls

[@organic_angel]

Sameeee

[@aileenr4543]

right ngl she was kinda off here 😭 the transition to lana’s bridge is the most replayed out the whole song and kinda the most talked abt even if the song did flop lmaoo

[@user-sg4ov7ng4h]

@@aileenr4543 "flop"? it was everywhere, i was sick of it wtf

[@fernandobatresarias]

Things I want to say about Lana Del Rey is how hard working she is because her career started off in 2011 when you didn’t ask who’s gonna be next big alternative artist it was who’s gonna be next big pop artist, so when she came out with her singles and album born to die it was something so different that everyone loved it and many artist like Taylor swift were very inspired by her because wildest dreams the lyrics plus the music video are very much inspired by Lana Del Rey at that time. But I also feel like a lot people looked down at her at that time not giving her the credit that she deserves because she really influenced pop at that time and she really isn’t pop she is more alternative so that’s why I think she blew up in 2020 because people were exploring alternative artist and Lana is one of them so tik tok in a way helped her getting more recognition for her work so that’s why I feel like if Lana started off her career at the same time as Billie did like 2016-2019 she would have been more loved and appreciated in the industry because that’s when tik tok was starting off blowing up especially 2019 and that’s when Billie’s album came out and it was used everywhere and she got the respect from the industry because it was a big year for her and she was the staple for alternative music. And at the same time Lana Del Rey started blowing up her song like dark paradise was being used by the a lot of make up tiktokers and much more songs like summer time sadness and born to die but also a lot of her unreleased music was getting leaked and they always blow up on tik tok being used by editors or girls just lip syncing to it and guys too getting attention from girls and people always comment what’s the song and it’s like if it’s “ meet me in the pale moonlight by Lana Del Rey” and they probably search it on yt and listen and be like “ oh I like her music “ and they started listening to all of her albums and that gains her a lot of popularity because it’s her unreleased music but that’s something she also doesn’t like because she has said before that she wishes people listened to and praised ocean Blvd as they did to say yes to heaven a unreleased song from UV and well her team saw how popular it was and she recorded it again and put it out as a single but the hype and anticipation for its release was fucking crazy everyone was waiting for it like one song and the hype for ocean Blvd was more fan hype than actual a lot of people how say yes to heaven had. Also I wanna say something that annoys me is that I hate how her music gets hate because it’s slow it’s boring but then later like 7 or 9 months it’s blows up cause omg the lyrics are so beautiful ( let the light in and Margaret ) like bitch like Im happy she getting the recognition for her work but people gotta stop hating on her music but then later on when its trending they wanna be all stupid and act like they have Alzheimer’s and be like omg it’s such a beautiful song it’s so good like no shut up you were hating on it when it first came out like it’s so annoying . Also I wanna say how hard working she is cause she’s been writing music and singing since like 2005 and has had many eps and one album before she came out with born to die then the next year a new one like she never stops coming out with new albums and they are always so different and good like she worked on lasso since 2019 so she was finishing nfr and working on chemtrails because chemtrails was supposed to be a 2020 album but it got delayed to 2021 and also working on blue banisters right after chemtrails and making it come out in 2021 too and starting to work on ocean Blvd the same year that blue banisters came out and she was still working on lasso like that’s fucking incredible. Also I wanna say how lana doesnt need to come out with singles or albums that will be mainstream like she never is like okay what producers are making hits rn, like she makes music that she knows her fans will love that are relatable to many people and also she experiment’s with her music and she makes it sound amazing some examples are Venice bitch and A&W like her mind is so powerful. She is her own genre that many people want to be ( nessa barret) but they can’t achieve it and will never be able to achieve it.

[@Luz2kool]

Candy Necklaces was TOTALLY robbed of a Grammy award. Jon Batiste piano progression is beautiful

[@klu5301]

Watching your video after I saw Lana at Coachella week one and I just can’t wait to see your reactions to her performances!! I can’t wait to see her again tomorrow night to see who she brings out. She looked amazing, her entrance was legendary, the crowd was massive and the mic feed on the stream was off a little bit, she sounded amazing live! I was so happy for her!!

[@katherinenutella]

off to the races let’s goooo

[@jeansboy]

lana won the lawsuit for get free and creep

[@parol3564]

I don't remember where I heard this, but I think Lana's song on Honeymoon "24" was supposed to be in the James Bond movie "Skyfall" but instead they went with Adele's song. I could be totally wrong but every time I hear that song it makes me think of a James Bond-esque film. Honestly the entire Honeymoon album sounds like a film score! (Side note: Please link the French countryside playlist on Spotify! 😭)

[@theahulkushwah]

No, they went for Sam Smith, not Adele as an alternative of 24.

[@bhaktidoiphode8756]

Hi! I love your work. Just wanted to share constructive criticism - I was expecting more of a meticulous investigation of her transition throughout years through her albums and the visual aesthetics related to them and how it impacted the zeitgeist. Like how she transformed each time, but never changed yk.

[@miranda_turtle0566]

Yeah this channel is definitely less structured but there are many video essays on Lana's evolution here on KZbin

[@ChanRawrer]

THEY READ TAYLOR TO FILTH!!!😂😂😂

[@teddybrooks6149]

They said what they said lol 😂

[@anamikarana984]

They said what we all are thinking and after her release their words become true itself 😭

[@coryb7404]

Ocean blvd is a masterpiece

[@Medallion88_]

Not only will she not be forgotten, she is so intentional. That does not go forgotten.

[@Managnz]

I can listen to you guys all day

[@soaribb32]

I think there's something interesting about her caracter development over the years and albums.

[@ElizabethCassell]

12:50 Rick Ruben too - Rick Ruben has produced Red Hot Chili Peppers, Johnny Cash, Jay-Z, Brandi Carlile, Tom Petty, Weezer, The Avett Brothers, Adele, the Chicks (fka the Dixie Chicks), Kanye, Lana Del Rey, and more.

[@aidanhill7941]

Also, Lana offered to meet Radioahead at 50% but they refused, so she went to court with them and won, so Radiohead has 0 credit for the song lol. Plus certain parts sound similar but they are so completely different. I mean the chorus isn’t even the same

[@melissamccracken1624]

I discovered you guys a few days ago and I've nearly finished listening to all of your podcasts. As a creative who loves marketing and internet/pop culture who doesn't have friends who I can talk to these things about, you are both filling my cup.

[@baalmolech]

Found yall on tiktok in a new fan of your podcasts!!!!

[@juliasanders9155]

Me watching this after the Coachella set and her not having performed a single song from the new album-

[@tesselate8nowait262]

Wym? She did part of A&W, DYKTTATUOB, and Candy Necklace with John Batiste lol

[@xavierdomenico]

@@tesselate8nowait262 They mean from Lasso

[@palemoonlight96]

13:18 he called it!!!

[@OfficialDarkSoulMusic]

Taylor is as artistic as Lana? Hell no. She's not even in the same stratosphere.

[@user45208]

coco’s rendition of creep is so funny 😭😭

[@kittitouchlamkongka3454]

Just discovered your channel and really love your anallyzing. Very informative.

[@lulugutierrez1996]

Can you talk about her Coachella performances??? Part 3 pleaseeeee

[@meghandoig6354]

I found you guys on TikTok and you are now my favourite podcast! You guys are so so good at what you do, happy to be here and support, keep it up! ❤️❤️

[@manuelmariapereira6605]

My favorite album is also Honeymoon. Such an amazing and gorgeous album. Really gives off 1950s and early 1960s influences in my opinion

[@itsyissel]

Hey, important correction to make here: Lana's part of, "Don't Call Me Angel," (which is actually the best part of that song IMO) is not a verse. It's the bridge. When you look at how songs are structured, the bridge is meant to provide a contrast. It sounds different on purpose. By all accounts, Lana understood the assignment perfectly.

[@nylapatterson5244]

Ugh I’m so happy you guys posted part two so soon, ive been getting into and loving your content, cant wait to see what the future brings for you guys 💕💕

[@daraudobong7195]

Been waiting for part 2!

[@Blubblossom]

unpopular opinion. Taylor is the tipical "popular girl" "bully", and she is using Lana. She thinks she is an artist like her, and i think, nice try girl.

[@AzsuraX]

"what bars did you go to?" is hilarious for a lana del rey discussion

[@Ygwengrace]

god bless that man on the stage

[@jamesalex5051]

ok here we go hope you 'll get 50K

[@jacknguyen6036]

24! That was the song that was rejected from the bind movie in 2015

[@ola-fo8xy]

I like the way you two talk about things!!

[@destineefaire2736]

Yayy I waited five whole hours for this (I watched part one this morning)

[@destineefaire2736]

And just from the title tortured poets Society I think you might be onto some thing about Taylor album that she’s releasing tonight sounding a lot like Lana

[@miaasuncion2817]

Ya'll should do a video on Chappell Roan!

[@basicparty6639]

I never comment but - I think when discussing King Makers you should also look into Quincy Jones! Love the channel :)

[@oatmilkrry]

Love you guys but a lot of the Taylor swift stuff that you guys bring up is incorrect. She’s been working with Jack Antonoff since 2014 and his work on the 1989 album is what really made him a mainstream producer that would go on to work with really big names in music (ie lana). Also Jack was only on 5/16 tracks on folklore. I think it’s interesting that you talked about her not being viewed as a “serious artist” because all her music is upbeat pop (i disagree), but folklore and evermore were both released with very little promo in the height of the pandemic bc she didn’t care about their commercial success.

[@miranda_turtle0566]

Yeah I noticed that too. If anything taylor is always mentioned for ger lyricism and song writing so idk why they said she's viewed as just commercial. I know midnight was very commercial but literally her last 2 albums have been straight artistry and lyricism and exactly what they described as "what she should do" but like she's already done it? Taylor has said she's inspired by lana but I think Taylor's major influence commercially has helped many artists lean into more lyricism than anything else. I like listening to their videos but I've noticed quite a few times that they'll sometimes say things with no proof or reason behind it, only because it fits what they're saying

[@paduanicoc.7019]

@@miranda_turtle0566 Taylor is very commercial tho, when you compare Lana's pop album to Taylor's pop album you can hear the huge difference. taylor is way commercial sound than Lana, it appeals more to general public even when it comes to vocals Taylor have that pop vocal sound than Lana. @miranda I agree tho that Taylor's lyricism is great, her Folklore and Evermore are the albums I like from her.

[@miranda_turtle0566]

@paduanicoc.7019 so you're agreeing with me? Taylor is very commercial but she is also noted for her artistry and lyricism and that's what I was critiquing

[@paduanicoc.7019]

@@miranda_turtle0566 seems like I replied to a wrong person, my reply was meant to the orig comment. regardless, I think that's the reason why Nicky and Coco thinks that Taylor is way popular than Lana due to her "commercial sound" that appeals more to the general public. Lana makes a pop album as if she's her own genre herself whereas Taylor makes a simple pop album.

[@TheGreeneDiva]

Lana was supposed to do a 007 but they went with Adele’s Skyfall, 24 Hours by Lana from Honeymoon was considered.

[@mundanerecordings]

I love it…. Give me 14 more of these

[@aryles.]

Nicki Minaj is the best topic to discuss next hands down ! i mean her impact on rap is crazy The nicki Minaj effect is real

[@coryb7404]

I can tell you guys really still don’t even know Lana like missed so many details

[@NickyandCoco]

You film a deep dive then -Coco

[@bruhkittycat]

​@NickyandCoco that response is so lana coded 😭 I live

[@christianjacobs3437]

Honeymoon being your favourite album is taste!

[@trashymermaid]

Love listening to yall

[@Hayden0312]

Fun Fact : Her song “24” off of Honeymoon is speculated to be from JB007:Spectres (JB24) original score, it was either overlooked or she kept it for herself. This was at the same time “The Age of Adeline” promotion was happening, which included snippets of “Life is Beautiful” (2015)

[@lilacleg3nd]

effect of ethel cain would be really interesting given how she skyrocketed in a similar fashion to lana del rey and yet abandoned that platform (tumblr) because of the toxicity of her fans

[@elaine378]

I actually loved Don’t Call Me Angel 🖤 and Lana’s bridge (is what i think of it as) is my favourite part 🥹

[@mkrnation2315]

I would love for you guys to do a Megan Thee Stallion effect, her claim to fame is very interesting. Love how she started the hot girl summer movement

[@IxAshleyMarie]

Coco can you link the playlist with the song Salvatore? I’d like to do what you did with musical manifesting 😉

[@Miooooomi]

A Melanie Martinez video would be amazing, she isn’t talked about much anymore and it grinds my gears

[@TraequanChristian]

One of my favorite albums of all time! 11:35

[@jazzy_ortega]

i think that saying taylor swift couldn’t do the breathy airy timeless soundtrack song forgets Safe&Sound with The Civil Wars It used that exact template to achieve the same feeling But yes, saying that Taylor Swift’s typical body of work doesn’t have the same effect is completely fair

[@kerry378]

I heard about Lana first when she performed at Graveland over Christmas fir the Presleys. Of course, Taylor would like to take credit...

[@fetcat5332]

You didn't talk about Lana's great value and the people she inspired and followed her path. She truly inspired many, such as Billie Eilish, Halsey, Olivia, and Madison Beer.

[@mattyybearr]

seated for the alleged tyla & Quinta vids 🙏🏾

[@sadoklajmi]

Omg troye n Charlie are going on tour together so we are not far off from the possibility of that trio 😂

[@Thuriiee]

Im just going to comment here to say that Don’t call me angel is good and just so underrated. The song works especially that it’s for a Charlie’s Angels movie.

[@fuezike]

Yes, I'm praying for that video with Jack Antonoff. I'm hopeful that one day, it will happen ❤🙏

[@Ultraviolenceinme]

How did this get to taylor swift’s TTPD? We really don’t need to hear about her everywhere.

[@Luz2kool]

DYKTTATUOB was the album she left the Lana Del Rey aesthetic back to her beginning, her true self, Lizzy GRANT. Taylor swift sells out STADIUMS. Lana is an untouchable force

[@theahulkushwah]

You should have talked about how Billie got Oscar but Lana was not even nominated for Young and Beautiful which was an iconic song.

[@jennyumm89]

Get Free is not like Creep at all. The chords are the same but that is literally it. The vibe of the songs are completely different. Idk how they could want 100%, that is so greedy imo.

[@aleeh2109]

Adele already wrote the soundtrack for a Bond movie, she wrote “Skyfall”.

[@fuezike]

How do you know which artist has, you know, that "It factor" in the music industry as an outsider? You have always the best insights and ideas in my opinion and I think it would be a very interesting topic that you could do a video about but it's just a suggestion ❤

[@vp4744]

Since you covered so thoroughly all the low points of Lana's career in two parts, will you be doing a part 3 for just the high lights?

[@NickyandCoco]

Not sure why you think this was low parts! We are LDR fans and this was a love letter to her career. Don’t like it, make your own 2-hour deep dive ❤️ -Coco

[@vp4744]

@@NickyandCoco Just because you call yourself fans does not mean you're not both idjiot phucks.

[@CocoMocoe]

@@vp4744 Learn to spell before calling us an idiot lol

[@vp4744]

@@CocoMocoe I'm glad you got the message. I wasn't sure if that spelling slips past the comments moderation filter. More on!

[@zainaba7247]

i think the thing with lana is she's constantly overshadowed by artists. i mean even in this video, probably half the time was a reference to taylor. it makes sense ig cause taylor is the monoculture. one thing to point out though is that taylor worked with jack first. also, disagree with the tay analysis. taylor is that rare artist that has the cult fanbase, regardless of success from the general public. yall really missed the mark in this analysis gkgk. it's more like taylor was a huge tumblr girlie so she likely got introduced to lana during this time (also important to note taylor was hugely inspiring tumblr aesthetics too) and genuinely liked her music so she wanted to prop lana up, not show she's respected by lana LMAO. taylor has always been lauded for her songwriting in the industry. you guys even mentioned lana isn't taken seriously by the industry.

[@devin1624]

YESSS QUINTA BRUNSON

[@thecowboyrobot8428]

You should do a deep dive to Caroline Polachek evolution. I think she is doing something very new in the music industry similar to Lana. Xx

[@celestialbunny6935]

Literally predicted tortured poets department

[@jasjas978]

100% agree with you on the Taylor take and shoutout to that man for uplifting our living legend

[@dylancook8863]

You're at 42.2k !!!! That's so awesome. Congratulations !!! You'll hit 50k before i finish watching this video, i presume 😅😊❤ thanks for putting all of this time and energy into Lana. You did a phenomenal job !!!!!! 💙 Lana has SO MUCH GREAT MUSIC !!! Yosemite, Old Money, The Blackest Day, Shades of Cool, Get Free, When the World Was at War We Kept Dancing, Norman Fking Rockwell the list goes on and on "I miss Long Beach and I miss you, babe" 😩😩😩😩 I genuinely really miss Long Beach .. I first heard of Lana while walking on ocean blvd .. Gods and Monsters back in 2012 LOL

[@metzlin5257]

Jack Antonoff effect 👀

[@juliaa7088]

Taylor worked with Antonoff FIRST, since 2013. Lana didn’t work with him until YEARS later in 2018.

[@vp4744]

Now why do you want to go confuse them with facts?

[@LiliannaJLuna]

what did you guys study in college? y’all’s videos quite literally makes me want to switch my major!😭❤️

[@PaulaRuizGuillen]

is the audio synced properly or is it my phone? 😔

[@ip82001]

i had the same thing on my computer

[@Jjordynx3]

Love you cocoo

[@NickyandCoco]

Love you! -Coco

[@AmalAmal]

taylors new album just dropped and yaal were right

[@jackielaurens]

Tyla & Quinta? Nicky ate with those suggestions ❤

[@n4nhs]

I don’t really get why you are talking about Taylor Swift SO MUCH? The title of the video says “The Lana Del Rey Effect” not “The Lana Del Rey AND Taylor Swift Effect”

[@CocoMocoe]

We dedicated an entire hour long episode before this to Lana's career. This episode was about comparing and contrasting her current career with the general zeitgeist.

[@envric]

not her saying she’s a big fan while being a local ;-;

[@Curlyheadgen]

Do frank ocean pleaseeee

[@sallywest953]

MELANIE MARTINEZ EFFECT PLASEEEEEEEEEEE

[@s4m_samson434]

Nah, the Don't Call Me Angel song works perfectly. What are y'all talking about? 💀

[@theroyalgayness5014]

Love this so much. You both should do a deep dive into another 2014 icon Marina and the Diamonds and her music now

[@Olivia-bl8ez]

F it I love you is my fav too! Btw great video. I just subscribed. but yall totally skimmed over the story behind Ultraviolence! So I’ll add the story here in the comments for all the Lana fans that don’t know it. This is the album that separated Lana into an icon over a one hit wonder. 2014 super upbeat electronic pop was everywhere. Lana easily could have steered this way from Born To Die. But Lana shows her record the label the completed Ultraviolence album that was the complete opposite of what was popular. Her record label hated it and made her work with another producer to “fix” it. I can’t remember his name but that producer told the record label Ultraviolence was already perfect. It ended up doing soo well it set Lana up to have total creative freedom for all her albums. After Born To Die, there was a lot of chatter about Lana being an industry plant that was totally fake and had her dad buy her career. Ultraviolence ended those discussions and solidified Lana as a true artist. It’s so weird to think if Lana listened to her label and released what everyone else was releasing, she probably would have faded into oblivion. Thank God Lana was willing to fight for her music.

[@sevenblueprints5276]

can you guys plz do an analysis of Madison Beer!?!?

[@Talia778]

The Lana Stan’s are being strange in this comment section. Even if things were wrong you can say that nicely! We all love Lana here, let’s keep it civil. And the rude comparisons between her and other female artists are weird.

[@simser2832]

i loved the lana videos but your research isnt the best. for instance, lana won the lawsuit bc the songs are nothing alike but some chords in the chorous. but u cant copyright a chord progression like Radiohead wanted. and btw readiohead had copyright problems with creep too... or the thing with dont call me angel: lana did a interview and talked about it, again a lot of false info... or the thing about her past and alcohol thing: actually IF you heard the album you should know that she mentoions how her mother send her away for falling in love/trying to end her life and thats what got her into alcohol. then her mother send her away to boarding school and didnt want her back, so she went to many places...just wanted to mention. felt more like a fast wikipedia presentation for the last lesson. no bad blood tho. but there was a lot of misinformation in both videos :( (And for me personally, you talked too much about taylor, olivia other artists... in the videos. thought its about lana)

[@CocoMocoe]

1. We never said you can copyright a chord progression. We agreed with the verdict there! 2. In multiple articles, Lana mentions dealing with alcholism as a teen. 3. Don't Call Me Angle: I didn't like the song. How is an opinion misinformation. Don't like the video, don't watch! We spend a lot of time researching and pride ourselves on doing our best to convey the information but this is a marketing/opinion podcast. Do your own deep dive if you don't like ours.

[@1234willali]

Well she didn’t sing any new music. I think to give Taylor respect on her album coming out the same day she was set to perform. I know she will just release it on her KZbin page with no promotion of any sort. Like she did her previous singles.

[@gh0ulgirl]

oof the taylor swift tortured poets department comments didn’t age well. sadly it’s taylor’s most commercial album with juvenile writing.

[@annettvanessaa]

❤❤❤

[@KeeganBrester]

Please do one for Conan Gray or Taylor Swift

[@AE-nf8nz]

SKY FERREIRA PLEAAASEEEE