The Last of Us: Episode 8 - Review

[@MikeHudspeth]

Did some research and *here ya go Jeremy* … Prophylactic systemic antibiotics significantly lower the risk of postoperative infection, and injection of antibiotics directly into the wound cavity has been found to be even more effective. Love ya man! Remember me in the apocalypse 😁

[@0biRonKenobi]

Haha. I read that exact same thing when I paused the show to Google it. I was curious as well cuz I don't know shit about how medicine works. Lol.

[@Philosophical24]

Makes sense when you think about it, thanks for the confirmation

[@thebananas6483]

Just commenting here to bump this comment above the bot's copy.

[@TheLukasJones]

Is a youtube comment really a better source for this information?

[@skullcandy14785]

Lol no ass shot

[@user-mc7kx]

You know it's a good show when Jeremy says at the end of episode 1 review that he was just going to wait for the season finale to do a series review, but then proceeds to do a review of each week's episode

[@Azuwat]

Ur user name is like a bot

[@hiraldosternflyer7112]

@Fak Yiu: That's usually how it feels when you watch a movie based on a book.

[@cable7152]

​@Fak Yiu how many hours does the game take?

[@cable7152]

@Fak Yiu exactly

[@blackticalmayhem8461]

@@hiraldosternflyer7112 they should have just made TLOU a movie lol🤷‍♂️

[@SpectraLight]

The way they showed more time with David's group to flesh them out a bit more worked waaaaay better than how they tried to do it with the random rebel group form ep 4 and 5. Fantastic episode.

[@fatezero8662]

Because the woman had no charisma at all, I have to bring myself to a suspension of disbelief that military people are following this soft spoken karen diligently. It would have been more believable if a lot of them are actually not scared of her and are just trying to follow her because she was the sister of their former leader that's it, but no they went above and beyond having the guys praise her for being a better leader lmao.

[@gravybate2283]

@@fatezero8662 they praise her because she lead a rebellion against fedra. A pretty good reason

[@ryanleemartin7758]

you gotta flesh out the cannibals.

[@kself94]

@@ryanleemartin7758 I see what you did there

[@ryanleemartin7758]

@@kself94 I had to.

[@iconiccam4665]

“Its okay, I believe him” gave me chills

[@lukewilliam3601]

100%. That line has stuck with me. The way Pedro Pascal said it was maybe his best line reading thus far.

[@Davi_L]

I couldn’t believe the episode was over when it finished. A masterclass in pacing you completely forget what time it is.

[@sharpshoota8274]

My mom said the same thing and she doesn’t even care for these post apocalyptic shows but she loved this episode and when it ended she was like “oh that’s it? That was quick” Fantastic episode. Don’t almost perfectly

[@nathandrake9129]

The boys has great pacing also.

[@sharpshoota8274]

@@nathandrake9129 ehhhhhhhhh. Yes for the most part it does but sometimes it’s pretty boring

[@nathandrake9129]

@@sharpshoota8274 no way is it ever boring, last of us would have much more boring scenes than the boys.

[@sharpshoota8274]

@@nathandrake9129 I mean the boys has much more content so overall there’s more boring scenes in the boys considering it had 3 times as much content. There’s a low of slow parts in the boys and if you sit here and tell me otherwise you’re lying to yourself

[@Cleverusernamed1997]

Maybe it's just me but Bella Ramsay's screams of despair were so disturbing to me. Like damn that's some good acting lol. Loved seeing Troy Baker in this. I'm so happy he was in a big TV project and is getting some recognition from the non video game people. I was so hyped when Joel did the interrogation. I can't wait to see giraffes next week. 😆

[@patrickakinola9234]

exactly her screams made me shiver

[@Potatoinurass]

You're not the only one. Those screams are haunting.

[@valetlz9169]

It was overacting for me, but I wasn't able to connect to her because this version of Ellie is far more unlikable.

[@lukeumber4486]

Her face makes me scream with despair, hideous

[@gunner8319]

@@valetlz9169 If Bella's acting in this ep is "overacting" to you, I'm seriously worried about your mental state.

[@jacobkirk1846]

Apparently they chose to have Joel console her outside of the building for a logic reason because the building was supposed to be locked, with David having the keys. So it would make more sense for Ellie to grab the keys off him then walk outside herself. I personally think the way the game did it was more emotionally effective, but I understand the change.

[@mikerosoft1009]

That can be easily fixed by the fire creating an opening. They did it so that Ellie doesn't need saving at all.

[@Egurius3]

@@mikerosoft1009 Ellie didn't need saving in the game either. She had already thoroughly killed David by the time Joel arrived

[@FreefallSC]

@@mikerosoft1009 dragging her off of someone that she is repeatedly stabbing isn’t exactly rescuing her… it’s a weird thing to change when it’s such a pivotal moment in their relationship with Joel seeing what she has been through.

[@FullMetalB]

​@@FreefallSC 1,00000% agree

[@daganbanks]

I lock how he did reaching for his dick. Like it was checkmate till he thought with the little head.

[@dbarraza8848]

4:42 Wasnt her one kill though, she also killed troy bakers character with the butcher knife

[@DanWMiller]

Came here to say this lol Troy died exactly how I expected when I saw him in the trailer for the show

[@_R-R]

Joel.

[@hellfish2309]

I feel like they coulda made a bigger meal out of the equestrian sequence: that ride through town was one of my my favorite sequences, and it would be a thrilling attempted escape

[@Ic3h0rnEt14]

3 if you count the deer

[@hiraldosternflyer7112]

@@pottonkickinass: The deer count the deer, my dear.

[@HeisntLegend]

I like how they accentuated the sounds of the forks and spoons hitting the bowls in the scene where they're clearly eating that girls dad. This episode got so dark lol

[@TyTimeIsAwesome]

Holy shit, I didn't even think of that...

[@filmgirlLisa]

They were eating the girl's dad?!!

[@MichaelJones-nc9yz]

Wouldn't make sense to eat someone who freshly died right? That meat would stay edible longer. So i kinda doubt it was her dad

[@thekidtrey1949]

Bella killed it in this episode. She was incredible and made me teary eyed multiple times

[@blackfox1320]

She's by far the worst part of the show. Once Joel is gone, the show is doomed.

[@thekidtrey1949]

@@blackfox1320 gimme a good reason why she’s the worst part?

[@jayyy1677]

@@blackfox1320 idk why you guys are so negative

[@DragonKastle]

She cannot carry the show by herself.

[@FreefallSC]

@@blackfox1320 I didn’t love her at first and don’t always love her in the hanging out moments but when she has to really act emotionally she comes to life and does an incredible job. This episode along with the end of the last episode confirmed her as a great choice for Ellie despite any issues I may have had with her up until that point.

[@ezioauditore4061]

I thought the ending was more emotional in the game because when Joel comes into the burning building to save her, he witnesses her hacking away and that gives Joel a direct connection to what she was experiencing, thus allowing for a more emotional scene from Joel's end. In the show, he finds her outside, the deed had already been done, he didn't realize what she had been through, thus making it a little less emotional in my opinion.

[@r0ckmom]

I can agree with this, but Imo it didn't change enough for me to be upset about it honestly

[@Sponce03]

I liked the change of having Joel finding Ellie outside after the trauma makes it more heartbreaking because he doesn’t know what happened to her, but given her traumatized/terrified face, screaming and face covered with blood, he just knows that something awful must have happened to her.

[@davidberger8420]

It's pretty obvious with the blood on her face and her emotional state when he found her. Also considering hes been through plenty of traumatic experiences which would allow him to connect the dots instantly.

[@john8056]

I mean he does know she just survived from almost being chopped to pieces and being eaten considering he saw the hung up bodies. Dude knows she went through some shit

[@ezioauditore4061]

@@r0ckmom I wasn't upset, just preferred the game. However, if they make big changes to the end of the finale, talk to me then lol.

[@Splackavellie85]

I loved that they included the scene telling David “tell them Ellie is the little girl that broke your fucking finger.” If I recall, that was what made Jeremy proclaim her one of the greatest characters ever in a video game in his spoiler review for the game.

[@Milmiskew]

David’s death was significantly longer in this than the game which is surprising

[@syedhassany9683]

I think because in the game you have agency over it it feels longer than it actually is. So in the show they exaggerated it to really make the viewer feel what it felt like in game.

[@Woozie87]

@@syedhassany9683 I thought the same, and Joel didn’t barge in to stop her. I’m assuming video game Ellie would of went on like this pretty much

[@littlepoodle7443]

She stabbed him about 22 times in the show In the game Willie stabs him 11 times

[@Revan-eb1wb]

​@@syedhassany9683 you dont have acency over it. His death is a cutscene, not gameplay

[@ApoMelon]

@@littlepoodle7443 he definitely died around the 10th hit, she just kept going

[@brianegendorf2023]

Over all..great episode. I DO miss the saw mill battle though. I feel like that battle had some emotional weight to it that they could have shown. I can't believe they are already at the end. It eeally did feel a little too fast.

[@Boost400]

That was one of the best parts of cannibal’s act because it showed Ellie she can trust them

[@firstlast9846]

It could’ve used some more scenes to help the pacing… cos it all felt incredibly rushed

[@Demetrix13]

they literally couldve just added 10 more minutes for that we havent had enough infected as it is on top of that i wish joel found ellie hacking david it adds more emotion and rawness of the violence to that scene but they had to change it for something less for some reason

[@Demetrix13]

LIKE they dont have the budget for it lol

[@matthewdignam7381]

Even though they wanted to be faitlful to the game, which i appreciated at the time, i actually think this show should of been given like 24 episodes, adding and changing things as it goes along but still being able to feel the core of the games within. like i would of preciated this arc more if it was 2 or 3 episodes, where we can really dive deep into all the characters, as well as have infected sprinkled inbetween

[@claudiar2930]

@4:41 "Her one kill" he's refering to David, but what about her killing James too with the cleaver? (rip Troy Baker). Tbh the thing I love about the show is that all their kills mean a lot more because they don't do a lot of killing like they do in gameplay. Makes everything more impactful.

[@Demetrix13]

man when she killed troy baker it looked so real 😂

[@omanjackson17]

Wait till part 2 when that kill count be high. I don't think it would be easy to avoid it. Or Ellie go complete stealth mode.

[@Demetrix13]

@@omanjackson17 speaking of part 2 i really feel like we’d see more of tommys storyline that we didnt get from the game 👀 an interesting thought they could do so much

[@lod15a]

If they stick to material of part 2 from the game. Show will not be watched it was obvious people would tune in for part 1 tbh.

[@uberboomer8670]

I couldn't believe how accurately they did the kneecap interrogation scene

[@ianmoriarty2199]

It took me this episode to realise that in a world ravaged by a cordyceps fungus, another fungus saves Joel's life.

[@atticstattic]

A mold, but okay.

[@ethanstarbuck3124]

@@atticstattic no shot did you just get your panties in a twist over a mold vs a fungus lmfao

[@atticstattic]

@@ethanstarbuck3124 Why are YOU getting into a twist?

[@ethanstarbuck3124]

@@atticstattic I wasn’t, I was making fun of you😂

[@Yodagamer1]

I think the more disturbing part of that was that ellie probably wasn't the first person david tried to abuse in that way considering he could have easily just fed anyone who rejected his offers to the town.

[@thecomicsarereal]

There were clearly two young women hanging in that meat shed with the man hanging. It’s insinuated that he probably raped them and then killed them to feed to the village, once you play it back in your mind.

[@WinterFogFilms]

He was also a high school math teacher, so. Yikes.

[@SockDrawerDemon]

David's line to Ellie, 'He was protecting you, you see that now.' (IIRC) Seemed to imply that taking Ellie was the raider's goal (though I'm sure the horse and 100kg of dude also appealed).

[@Road_to_Dawn]

A couple weeks back, I had just finished the Sam & Henry episode and I got the itch to finally pick the game back up after not having played it a few years. Found my latest save file was with me standing next to the graves of Sam and Henry. It was perfect. So I played through from there to the end, and was really surprised at how little was left after the Colorado college scene. I played through Left Behind when it hit winter, got through David, and then did St. Mary’s (I’ll leave it at that to minimize spoilers), and realized “Wow. That’s… that’s just perfect for the last three episodes. Just cleanly divides the last three major story beats. I hope that’s what they do for the show.” Once I saw that episode 7 was going to be Left Behind, I knew I’d be satisfied, and I certainly am.

[@dv2244]

Good episode and good show so far. My only gripe with the show is its pacing. I feel like the Winter/David bit should've been a bit longer. From Joel being injured to Ellie killing David, the whole arc felt like it was only a couple days. It would've been nice to see Ellie trying to hunt and survive alone for longer than 5 minutes. Let us sit on the fact that Joel is hurt and may not get up.

[@stealthchopper54]

I agree, but at the same time I'm happy they didn't for the sole reason that theirs are a limited number if episodes and I just want to see as much joel as possible (especially since they've already had a couple episodes enrirely without joel)

[@TheJrod482x]

​@A Like most things, I'm sure it came down to budget. This already has to be one of the most expensive shows ever made and 4 more episodes would have been a lot more money for HBO to spend on a show that wasn't a hit yet. I think next season will probably get 10.

[@stealthchopper54]

@A will season 1 cover the full first last of us game you think? I forget much of the game and so I'm not too sure how close we are in the show to the ending in the first game

[@christophercalderon7229]

Coming to the realization that cook knew (obviously she fucking would lol) that she was cooking humans was so insane. “What is it?” And then eventually seeing Joel find those bodies just made everything click for me even though I’ve played the game haha. I like that the show is giving more depth to the groups Joel and Ellie encounter

[@andyP_12]

Idk how it took you that long to get it lol

[@MarleyOfWar]

What is even funnier/darker is that the little girl ate her own dad. That is why they can’t bury him, because they cooked him in the stew 🫢😆

[@Nathan-zd8ew]

Same I like this twist the show put on the story. Time and time again the show is evolving the game much better than i thought it ever could.

[@madworldproductions855]

Bro,I never played the games and I picked up in that subtext immediately.

[@728GT]

"venison"

[@originalgameronline3457]

Ellie went out like a BOSS! That girl went full Punisher on that dude. Loved it!

[@midoribushi5331]

Bella Ramsy owned this episode, So visceral and raw. Also, great seeing Joel get ruthless showing his care and concern for Ellie. Only bad thing bad, was the episode was over before ya know it, still gr8 pacing.

[@Oxcymoron]

Man this episode was spectacular. So many emotions. But now that we are looking forward to the final episode next week, I can’t help but feeling the complaints about the lack of infected. I understand the whole “we are the evil” thing but still, it would be nice to have seen them a bit more.

[@braxtonwise9897]

felt the same way about the game when I finished it a month or two ago

[@stealthchopper54]

Next weeks episode is the last? So I take it season 1 wont cover all of the first game?

[@Oxcymoron]

@@stealthchopper54 well their going to make it to the hospital supposedly so i believe so?

[@Road_to_Dawn]

@@stealthchopper54The only thing that’s left to cover is the giraffes and the hospital, which is actually really short story-wise. The only thing that makes that part longer is fighting the infected in the underpass and reaching Ellie in St. Mary’s. They could easily do it in one episode, especially if they decide to make it a full hour, which they may or may not do. We’ll see!

[@mrknowhere6457]

If I had one complaint with this show so far, it would be that I wish it was at least one episode longer so there is more room to breathe. Given how fast everything moves and the short length of it, I really hope the finale doesn't feel rushed. Other than that though, this has been a perfect adaption. Every episode has been great so far.

[@fatezero8662]

I acknowledge how well written Episode 3 is, but we have to admit that episode destroyed the momentum of the show. Instead of fleshing out the story, ellie and joel's relationship. We instead have a gay romance filler, sure it was sort of impactful but to have it 73 minutes long just to bring a simple message is ridiculous. While this pivotal Episode 8 only lasted 49 minutes.

[@mrknowhere6457]

@@fatezero8662 I would have to agree that it was a bit of a bummer to lose some Joel and Ellie moments. And maybe hot take here, but I thought that episode 7 did the whole "side story with a message" much better then episode 3. I still liked episode 3 regardless, and in my opinion so far there hasnt been a bad episode of the show.

[@fatezero8662]

@@mrknowhere6457 Yes episode 7 was so much better and was actually in line since it was Ellie's backstory anyway, but since Episode 3 already did the similar story beat, 7 came out as redundant sadly. That said, the show is still really good is just like you said they could have added 1 or 2 more episode to have us feel the world more, I have never played the game itself actually but I myself can tell that Joel and Ellie's relationship was a bit rushed.

[@sialeakauola4852]

Absolutely killed it with this episode. Ive finished this game 3 times, and yet it took me back to that 2013 experience. Especially with my wife being her first time watching it lol.

[@lukeumber4486]

Don't cry

[@holysecret2]

The only really disappointing part was Joel not finding Ellie 30 seconds earlier, like in the game, stopping her in the midst of overkilling David. It was a really important moment in their relationship / bonding, showing that he wants to save not only her life, but her humanity as well. Joel witnessing this moment also helps him understand that she is currently in a really dark place mentally, whereas now he has to infer it. Some people are saying they did this change for logic reasons, because the building was locked. But Joel could have smashed a window or found an open one, the fire could have opened the place up, there are a number of ways they could have done it.

[@Demetrix13]

excuses excuses, there was no reason to change that its literally better in the game than the show and they shouldve added 10 more minutes for the saw hill battle but nope

[@gabrielmeza-lu4fh]

You do remember that Joel is dealing with a life threatening injury that hasn't healed, he's in a town that doesn't know anything about and just because he sees a burning building that doesn't mean that Ellie is there and therefor he wouldn't just risk trying to enter a burning building if he wasn't 100% sure. I still do think the game did it better but this sounds much more reasonable than the thought of him searching every single building for Ellie until he stumbles upon a burning building and risking going in without being sure while still dealing with a hole in the stomach

[@-sanju-]

@@Demetrix13 How do you think the sawmill fight would have worked in the show? The infected are much more dangerous in it so personally I can't imagine Ellie and David taking on a horde all on their own.

[@0neFamily]

@@-sanju- They could have done something. The episode needed it in my opinion. There needed to be some measure of trust built between David and Ellie - as seen in the game - to make the sawmill reveal, cage conversation, and subsequent violence feel more impactful. The dynamic between the two just felt a bit flat.

[@fatezero8662]

​@@0neFamily This is the result of prioritizing gay romance in Episode 3 rather than fleshing out the actual story of the show. Imagine Episode 3 having 70+ minutes compared to this pivotal episode lasting only 40+??

[@BrianHeise1983]

For the penicillin shot, i think that's the genius of it. You're a grown adult who isn't sure exactly what to do with it and what will or won't work. She's 14, hasn't had nearly the education or medical experiences any of us have had, and she's just doing everything on a wing and a prayer hoping it works. I think it would be disingenuous for her to inject it properly.

[@rajabcroswell9020]

I couldn't agree more. If she injected him in the right place, it wouldn't have been authentic.

[@jchandlersabeast]

It couldve used the gameplay or an actiony scene where david saves Ellie from the infected or something to get us thinking hes on our side. Cuz in the game that reveal was much more potent that he was hunting for Joel. Here it came so quick the development was a lot less

[@crfstaley]

Completely agree, the infected fight with David in the game is so good because it allows Ellie to trust David and the player may also begin to trust him so the reveal of him actually hunting Joel and Ellie through the conversation by the fire was much more impactful in the game and provided more depth and suprise.

[@bengirard1984]

@@adamwhite4858 100%. It's weird because apart from those who, for some reasons, cannot say one thing negative about the show (but that's with any hardcore fandom), I'm seeing more and more people every week who are starting to feel like this season's has been rushed, story wise, while still really liking it. The show's production value, acting and directing are for the most part really fabulous....but on the other side...the pacing has been weird, they rushed storylines, while adding new ones(that badly written Kathleen one or episode 3, that I really loved though I must say), etc To me it feels like two things: 1- The season could've been at least 12 episodes or even 2 seasons of 8 because I can see the greatness behind all the rushing. 2- Season 1 was rushed to get asap to Part 2 since it's clear to me that's what Druckmann wanted since Part 2 was ''all him'' with his ideas and themes. I would've loved to spend way more time with Joel and Elle bonding instead of having two whole episodes that were flashbacks(as great as they were).

[@diceflawless9115]

​@@bengirard1984 Last week's episode could've featured a David introduction or something. Instead of spending the episode watching them play arcade games

[@blackticalmayhem8461]

@@bengirard1984 episode 3 wasn't "great" 🙄

[@blackticalmayhem8461]

@Adam White you're absolutely right..this season was rushed it's so pathetic to watch because I'm a huge fan of the game. At this point they literally should have just made a movie 🤷‍♂️

[@nas9207]

I hate that they cut the saw mill battle tbh. That event helped ellie build trust with David and makes the reveal more impactful. Ik the focus of the story is not the infected but they have removed them from winter, high school and college which were some of the best scenes in the game. They Will also probably remove them from the tunnels so that is a bummer too. But good show overall

[@Azuwat]

Im just curious why many of ur names have 4 digits at the back, is that a bot programming?

[@nas9207]

@@Azuwat it's not a bot it's just the username was used so you have to put numbers. Most people won't be taking the time to look for a original name and rather just use numbers. Tho I do think a bot puts numbers to make your name unique if you don't add them personally I never added the 9207 seems it was automatic

[@Azuwat]

@@nas9207 oh thanks for the clarification. I been seeing a lot of usernames with 4 numbers behind them

[@-sanju-]

Unfortunately the infected are buffed and more realistically dangerous in the show so I can't see how the sawmill fight would have worked unless it was like 1 or 2 runners (same goes for the other encounters you listed). In the game you come across a lot of infected because it is a game and players need other stuff to do aside from running around. In the show Joel and Tess could just barely take down 2 clickers so I can't imagine Ellie and David taking on a horde all alone.

[@Tillyard86]

My advice is not to compare it to the game. Also things that work in a game won’t work in a show. The battle in the game works because we are in the battle fighting the monsters, we wouldn’t have that in the show.

[@ralphengland8559]

Bella has really grown on me. The whole series needed to be longer. The two flashback episodes felt like a waste given how little of Joel + Ellie we're getting.

[@wendellswendell2001]

Bella herself said season 2 is enevit8able

[@wyldegi]

Episodes 3 and 7 were great though. Instead of replacing those two with Ellie and Joel, we should have gotten all of them.

[@ralphengland8559]

@WyldeGi if the season had been 12 episodes or more sure. But as is? Nah... I don't need to see Bill and Frank at all. I don't need to see Ellie from before. They have us enough from the one line Ellie gives about everyone leaving her or dying on her. And Bill could have just been a dead guy they came across that Joel mentions having worked with. The flashback episodes bring nothing necessary to the main narrative while reading up precious screen time that could have been used to make me believe in the Joel and Ellie connection. Right now it barely works... and then mostly because I played the game.

[@eliteteamkiller319]

I disagree. Bill and Frank's episode is less important to the plot, but Ellie and Riley's is CRUCIAL to Ellie's character development. You need to see how isolated she was (doubly isolated because her sexuality isolates her too), and both how unwilling she is to trust people and how loyal and trusting she IS when she finally lets someone in. These traits are important to who she is, and therefore are crucial for the episode. . As for Bill and Frank, that episode serves more for development of the world, and a reflection of the human condition within it. But yes, they could have cut that out and not lost all that much. But the emotional impact of that matters. Because the world itself is a character too.

[@wyldegi]

@@ralphengland8559 You’re thinking into this too hard. Those episodes are great and we still got lots of time with Ellie and Joel. And we’re still going to get just them in the finale. Those flashback episodes are testaments to the theme of the show that the reason for perseverance through an apocalypse is human connection. That’s what this show is all about.

[@thomassmart4088]

Ellie nailed that last quick time event

[@Edg3head-]

Two things that would’ve made this perfect is if they had to kill like two zombies in that bonding seen around the fire waiting for James to get back. Just to have the reveal that David had a gun the whole time leading us the audience to trust him more so when it’s revealed he’s a monster is more of a twist. This would add to the episode and actually put a few more zombies in the show because so far they’ve been in the show for like 20 mins total. And the other change would be to have Joel pull Ellie off of David like in the game it was just much more powerful that way. That would’ve brought this from like an 8.5 to a 10 to me

[@Mote.]

The ending with Joel hugging Ellie almost made me tear up.

[@ConceptART-Dagas]

Damn it...me too :P

[@lukeumber4486]

Grow up

[@ConceptART-Dagas]

@@lukeumber4486 for every 3 people, there´s one idiot. Its just statistics. Ah yes the idiot is you, just to clarify, idiots are usually slow in the head as well.

[@lukeumber4486]

@@ConceptART-Dagas and within 5 men there will be 1 alpha and 4 betas, its just statistics, you unfortunately are one of the 4 betas.

[@ConceptART-Dagas]

@@lukeumber4486 Whats wrong , mommy dont give you enough attention? Bullies at school? Dad was never around perhaps? I pick option number 4 -You were just born an idiot. Wich funny enough, would also explain the other 3 options

[@Joe.Rogan.]

I wonder if people who haven't played the game even remember there are mushroom zombies in this world.

[@bulls2384]

I do, show fucking blows lmao textbook false advertisement

[@LiterallyGod]

They turned tlou into a childrens drama soap opera

[@azcardguy7825]

I completely forgot

[@ianhines2302]

I’d rather then save the infected to be more rare so it maintains them as a threat as opposed to walking dead where zombies showed up every episode and turned into a joke after a while

[@claudiar2930]

Human threat is just as scary as infected threat. Are you expecting cordyceps to thrive in the winter?? With all that snow?? They've shown how it all works in the show, I'm sure infected is much less prominent in the winter months. Use some context clues my guy

[@colescott2111]

I watched vintage Jeremy the other day for his review of The Crazies

[@rennijo]

The creators said they just didn't want that heavy looming threat of clicker hoards hanging over the entire show. This episode specifically, they wanted to be all about Ellie showing that she could survive and be brutal against a human threat. (Which makes sense if you know where the story is going.)

[@payinwearspants17]

It was still the creators that made the hoards of clickers incredibly deadly by including the whole miles long fungus network system that alerts all clickers to one area though.

[@amysteriousviewer3772]

It makes sense but it also makes the potential vaccine seem like not that big of a deal to be honest. The threat of the infected was a lot more apparent in the game whereas in the show it just seems like they are mostly found im urban areas.

[@fatezero8662]

​​​​@@amysteriousviewer3772 Yeah we don't have to have generic zombie fights in every episode. We just want their prominent presence that they're actually a threat globally, like while Joel and Ellie are travelling they see the clickers and sneak their way through, or have some scenes of them being just backdrops atleast. It feels like the world in the show is just full of ghost towns with 5% chance of encountering a clicker/infected.

[@blackticalmayhem8461]

@FateZero well said 👌, I agree just a little bit more "infected " would have made it seem that much more suspenseful/dangerous when being out in the open..there are literally no infected in this entire episode 🙄

[@donny6033]

Such a bullshit excuse for cant be bothered

[@blackfox4138]

I totally get and understand that certain compromises need to be made when adapting a piece of work. But yeah, I feel like the pacing has been oddly fast. in the game, the pace is broken up via the stealth/action segments. In the show, there's virtually no action, so it sometimes feels like we're going through a highlight reel of all the key cutscenes in the game.

[@minafrotarules1232]

The Last Of Us show is a complete woke dumpster fire. After episodes 3 and 7, I am not watching this show again. The finale won't be good!

[@blackfox4138]

@@minafrotarules1232 that has…nothing to do with what I was talking about, but okay. If you don’t like the gays then you don’t like the gays. That’s your problem.

[@codykeefe9726]

@@minafrotarules1232 I also feel like the bill and frank episode was a bit much but for what it’s worth they are fleshing out all the characters and I dig that but still we already knew that bill frank and Ellie were gay so it’s not like they’re ruining the source material or anything.

[@codykeefe9726]

@@blackfox4138 feels like you got offended so that might be your problem too lol

[@Joe.Rogan.]

@@minafrotarules1232 The litmus test for is this show woke would be if they had at least one non white person in the group of cannibal pedophiles. Turns out no.. they wanted to race swap every white person except those white people.

[@mannholloway]

This is the 1st episode I take a little exception with I feel like the pacing was better in the game. Ellie having that moment with David and they save each other's lives adds tension to the reveal.

[@rowku7759]

Googled the penicillin shot…looks like that actually can work!

[@TheThird1977]

One thing I loved about Ellie injecting Joel was her "what the fuck do I do?" mini-panic attack because, yeah, as a 14yr-old girl who has only ever lived in a QZ, of course she wouldn't know where to inject it. As for the episode itself, I thought it was fantastic, and Bella Ramsey's performance in the fight with David (sheer terror when pinned down, sheer explosion of rage when killing him) was genuinely amazing.

[@clorett15]

My wife and I were watching it and she’s a nurse. I didn’t even have to ask she immediately said no you don’t have to do that and in the arm would have been perfectly fine. It still works.

[@seekthetruth336]

This episode really needed to be in 2 episodes. They could have skipped the DLC, and added the parts of the game that have significant weight. Like the sawmill battle, or Ellie running off when she finds out that tommy was gonna take her. Or the battle between joel and rebels in the hospital scene. It just seems really rushed.

[@davethenorse6329]

I'm a RN with 23 years of ER experience: No you would not inject antibiotics directly into a wound, ideally it would be an IV infusion or a deep muscle injection into the gluteal site. Love your reviews & I spread the word amongst my colleagues.

[@Janthdanl]

This is the best episode so far I think, changed some stuff as this show has, but man it still hit all the beats. The ending needed the music that’s my only gripe

[@darlingquincie9030]

Love in the channel just found you from the last of us videos. I agree. They are very good about knowing the game was good. Keep up the good work bro.

[@ethanbearry5260]

I personally thought the game did a great job with getting the player to trust David. In the show it was kinda rushed so I feel like the people who didn’t play the game were automatically assuming yeah David is a bad guy whereas the people who played the game had to team up with him and fight infected with him which really made us think he was a decent person.

[@rajeshkumar-ed1kj]

To answer your question about the antibiotic directly into the wound- YES, it could and most probably wotk. Its usual practice to inject or place antibiotic beads in the wounds.

[@LeafsClub]

Easily one of the best episodes of the season so far, and one of the scariest. Bella Ramsey is amazing at hitting every note & nuance. Grief, terror, shock, teen girl everything - she is wonderful. Also very cool to have an episode with game Joel.

[@georgegk3818]

Penicillin is normally administered intravenously or through a muscle preferably the upper out quadrant of your butt or on your deltoid muscle about 3 fingers down from your shoulder height

[@SuperDSJGaming]

Didn’t even recognize Baker, definitely cool cameo

[@marcozone5866]

“Titanic Demographic” was that a DiCrapio shade? David and DiCeapio like ‘em young. 😂

[@ronbuca]

3:03 as a physician myself i must say that definetely wouldnt work in like 90% of the times. There are at least in regular use two types of penicilin, at least where i come from, one that is most used like a shot, most of the time in the glutes, the other one is IV because it would burn like hell Intramuscular, so if Joel had an amazing layer of abs muscles, or Ellie had an amazing luck and put it on a vein or artery, treat an infection that causes fever or looks like that probably would need to be IV. Though you can use antibiotics in the wound to help healing also

[@SoranotRoxas]

Very good acting around the board from everyone in this episode 👏. I do agree about the clickers needing to be more of a thing too, the zombie attack scene in the game made it more realistic why Ellie might trust David more than in the show were it felt a little quick. Great episode overall though 8 out of 10.

[@dobbear]

The only let down so far has been the lack of the infected throughout this show.

[@firstlast9846]

And the rushed pacing

[@ConordeSmith]

@@firstlast9846 Agree on both points! I appreciate as you move through the game, it becomes obvious that it's a story about people rather than zombies... but it comes nowhere near to the suspense you feel playing the game and I get scared EASY! And yes, I don't understand why they only made it nine episodes if you're going to include the episodes on Bill and the DLC (which I thought were fantastic btw) - have them as supplementary to the main story and not in place of it. Should have been around 12/13 for me.

[@ruialmeida818]

Jeremy's reaction in anticipation of the finale is brilliant :D

[@TheyfoundRickGrimes]

Very much reminded of ‘Tainted meat’ from TWD 🧟‍♀️ loved this ep, thought the acting was superb 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@Batmanhendrickson]

Jeremy make your 2022 playlist! I need it to sleep!😂

[@xrphoenix7194]

Glad they were faithful in this one. I liked the small additions as well

[@minafrotarules1232]

The Last Of Us show is a complete woke dumpster fire. After episodes 3 and 7, I am not watching this show again. The finale won't be good!

[@nugget3687]

@@minafrotarules1232 we won't miss you

[@aaproductions1488]

@@minafrotarules1232notice how 3 and 7 are the two episodes focused on a gay couple ☠️☠️☠️

[@Revan-eb1wb]

You liked them being stereotypical evil christians? Really?

[@Revan-eb1wb]

@@aaproductions1488 and the longest episodes with zero story purpose

[@BirdsFlyinHigh]

i look forward to these every week. thanks JJ

[@mujthabahassan7614]

I think Troy would have made a great David, he had the look and feel for it

[@WarWulf778]

It's a tired trope but when someone is reading the Bible aloud = bad guy.

[@ErrmNoo]

Great episode. One thing I hoped they would've done was have Joel interrupt Ellie hacking David's face up.

[@TheAhmed098]

Well there is a difference between prophylaxis and treating an already resident infection , joel had peritonitis and sepsis which is a systemic infection in the whole body as the bacteria reached the blood, so injecting antibiotic intravenous and actually opening the wound and cleaning 'called peritoneal wash' then draining is the only effective way to not die from an infected wound like that , but injecting antibiotic into the wound wont treat anything , and also treating sepsis takes weeks not a day so everything pretty much in not realistic.

[@imasaxman1]

I've been loving this show, with that being said I really think there needs to be more action with the infected. It's toned down to a mind numbing amount.

[@dylanchilders]

I forgot at first too, but Ellie actually had 2 kills in this episode; David and James (Troy Baker’s character which she meat-cleavers in the neck)

[@TeacherPauloPontes]

Agree with the action bit. The lack of it tones down Joel's agressiveness. Not enough infected and enough people. You never get scared of Joel; he goes on a true rampage in the game trying to get to Ellie

[@nightbandit1260]

Yea I get they're trying to go a little bit more of a realistic approach so he can't be taking out groups of men in a minute but I do miss that aggression

[@TeacherPauloPontes]

@@nightbandit1260 exzactly, at least 3 or 4 guys... maybe 1 or 2 infected, right? using those nail bombs or smoke bombs, dunno

[@realone2020]

@@nightbandit1260 idk popping out a mans kneecap with a knife seems pretty aggressive to me

[@drteeth362]

When the scene of ellie hackin up David just kept going I was expecting Joel to come and interrupt her eventually but it just kept going and then they reunite outside. I prefer how they did they scene in the game

[@Viperr-qw5rn]

In the game when Ellie’s hacking away at David, then the sound cuts out and it’s the games theme playing, and you can’t hear what Joel is saying to Ellie as he’s consoling her. That was impactful to me, and I would’ve like to seen it included. Also a lack of infected in the entire episode left me a little disappointed. Besides one infected in the flash back episode we’ve been starved of the main premise of the show since Kansas.

[@Tony-km6kg]

They're not the premise though.... The show/game is trying to show you that people are just as bad, if not worse, than the actual Clickers

[@firstlast9846]

The whole “the show isn’t about the infected” seems like a cope to deflect criticism from the people who are hyping the show up beyond what it is.. episode 5 while good - made me significantly less scared of the infected given - the main characters got out relatively unscathed

[@thedrewyariexperience]

When Bella said the line after breaking his finger, I said it too. That was so metal 🤟🤟🤟

[@sbfh014]

Troy Baker being in the show is pretty neato

[@headphones2006]

My nurse girlfriend did inform me during the show that you do not inject directly into the wound lol

[@emperorg9910]

Felt rushed like I feared, and it was better in the game. I didn't feel the baby girl part like I did in game.

[@ValiantPixel]

It felt real to me because they intentionally showed Joel with his eyes open as he was dying, watching how much effort Ellie was going through to save him. He was conscious most of the time and probably forming a stronger bond with her while in her care.

[@emperorg9910]

@ValiantPixel I'll give you that. I just feel that we haven't had enough time with Ellie and Joel. Too much of side characters and villians that don't matter.

[@ValiantPixel]

@@emperorg9910 That’s the strangest part of the show for me as well. It actually feels sort of like an anthology show because almost every episode has a focus on a different group of new characters that have little connection to the events before or after. Maybe it’s a symptom of adapting a video game, I’m not really sure yet.

[@shadowboxing7029]

I was hoping for more action on Joel's part trying to get to Ellie and just more action all round in the show. However, I do like that they've made it such a human experience. I'm incredibly invested in them, which I wouldn't have been had they gone the action route. But yeah balance would have been nice.

[@OneFlufyBunny]

Does anyone else think Bella is a bad actor? Every word she says feels unbelievable to me. Especially when you compare the dialogue to the game

[@gavinevans1687]

I completely agree. She overacts ALOT and she's just not convincing.

[@OneFlufyBunny]

@@gavinevans1687 THANK YOU! I literally cringe whenever she opens her mouth. Such a drop from the game Ellie who was a total badass

[@gavinevans1687]

@@OneFlufyBunny Yep. Ashley Johnson is superior in every sense.

[@rai351]

With Penicilin you’d want to inject it on a huge muscle mass. Which is why people generally inject it into their arms or butts. Her injected it to the wound theoretically would work too but the effects of the drug wouldn’t be optimal.

[@lukehatten9170]

This might be one of the best episodes of TV I’ve ever seen. Definitely the best of this series so far.

[@insanedragongirl]

So it may be different with humans, but working in vet emergency surgery, sometimes if we’re removing like an infected uterus and there’s a chance some of the infection got into the abdominal cavity, we will squirt antibiotics directly in there in addition to the but cheek shot. So it could be effective for her to give it directly in the wound, although if it’s been weeks, it’s very likely the infection has become systemic, so it would probably be better to give it in a bigger muscle group that would then distribute the antibiotic faster.

[@thegoldenhydra2003]

Funny how the only episode without Cordyceps is the most terrifying/disturbing

[@robopistachio2369]

Cordyceps are only a threat in episode 1, 2, 5, and 7 (where we see one infected). The other half of the season doesn't have the infected pose a threat

[@TheCreepypro]

always nice to hear jeremy's thoughts

[@GOBIAS.INDUSTRIES.]

No matter how good the acting & story are, this show is SERIOUSLY harmed by the lack of the infected. They’re such a non-threat that it makes you wonder why Joel & Ellie even need to make the trip for a vaccine 🤷🏽‍♂

[@Tillyard86]

I think we just have to assume the infected are still killing people off screen.

[@GOBIAS.INDUSTRIES.]

@@Tillyard86 Rule #1 of Filmmaking: SHOW don't tell

[@Tillyard86]

@@GOBIAS.INDUSTRIES. but we don’t even need to be told, we can just assume.

[@GOBIAS.INDUSTRIES.]

@@Tillyard86 Even if it is going on elsewhere in the world, that's a terrible way to write a story. If the infected are supposed to be the main catalyst for the story because they're such a large threat, the audience should be reminded occasionally (or arguably, CONSTANTLY) of that threat.

[@Tillyard86]

@@GOBIAS.INDUSTRIES. why? Isn’t it enough to just be able to assume it’s happening. We saw enough of that kind of thing in the first couple of episodes to be able to guess the rest.

[@bmjankoswsky5337]

I am watching the show with a friend of a mine who's a doctor, and I asked him the exact same question about the penicillin shot directly on the wound. He said that if there's no sepsis yet, it could probably work.

[@fgorn]

Unlikely to help in this case, since it's an abdominal wound. Would just go into the peritoneal cavity. Also, there were serious chances that she could've ruptured the intestines

[@victormendep]

Rotten stabbing object deep in stomach, no clean suture, lot of time until it was treated, and from what they showed, infection... Na should be very dead Forgot that they took out the object so probably lost lot of blood, more chances of death

[@YellowwFellow]

Ep 7 needed to be part 1 of this David arc, not the left behind dlc that was completely pointless to include as you can just watch the cutscenes online of that from the game. They meandered around and skip at light speed which needed scenes to breathe more to build tension and add connection to the characters. Packing sequences in short amounts of time just kills momentum and emotional attachment for me. It is all a blur.

[@kensredemption]

2:46 As a current nursing student, I can tell you for a fact that we won’t do “ass shots” (dorsogluteal) anymore because of the potential to hit the sciatic nerve that sends those motor impulses to your lower limbs. Also, as far as I know, antibiotic shots are typically administered intravenously (IV), but we have to take into account that medical knowledge in this iteration of The Last of Us is limited in scope as the world entered the Cordyceps pandemic in ‘03 instead of ‘13 and it’s likely that they would’ve tried an intramuscular injection like Ellie exhibited in this episode. Whether or not it would’ve been effective realistically remains to be seen.

[@goldengrill769]

Weird nobody liked your post but I went deep to find it and thank you for trying to impart information on us.

[@kensredemption]

@@goldengrill769 I appreciate the sentiment. 👏🏽 I’m just trying to impart my knowledge where I can. Better that this knowledge is out in the open than buried.

[@bryce253]

Umm... Where was everyone else? It's not like they have Netflix. Nobody noticed the gun shots or the building going up in flames?! How could Joel just be limping around in snow unnoticed?

[@optimusprime3484]

My thoughts exactly. There's at least another dozen people and nobody is around to see the main building on fire? They just limp away at the end undetected. Decent episode up to that point then it became totally unbelievable.

[@helwrecht1637]

It felt so weird. Like they should have made the community actually cannibals. Instead they made it a weird hidden cannibals who are religious but not really?

[@robmassey9179]

​@@optimusprime3484 I for sure see what you're saying but you have to suspend your disbelief that you played the game game before watching the show. Of course in tbe game you can kill 10 people and have the ability to heal yourself on the spot. The show is grounded more in reality so Joel would not survive already being injured against a shitton of cannibals.

[@bryce253]

@@robmassey9179 That actually makes it worse not better. If you are doing live action, you have to explain things you would just overlook in the game, not the other way around. For instance, the disregard of Ellie to cover her tracks in the snow is needed in the game to give a path for David and his crew to track them down. But in live action, it just seems dumb. She's supposed to be a smart girl. The first thing she would've thought about is how to cover her tracks so she didn't lead them to where she was hiding out with Joel and the same thing goes for the lack of people in the town at the end of the episode. They can't show all those people there and then just have them vanish at the end without explanation. It just doesn't work in live action that way. Someone would've heard the gun shots or noticed the building blazing at the very least and come to see what was going on. It was the church. The building a community chooses as a church would be at the center of the town.

[@Cybertron-cs7sk]

In extremely severe infections like infected amputation having antibiotics injected into the infected area can speed up the process however this should be followed with oral and or intramuscular injections as well. Hope this helps...

[@Mickey23kswiss]

I agree, I wish there was more action. If not action with humans, then with more infected. I'm still sad about how the show glossed over Pittsburg/Hotel part... I mean there was a freaking bloater in the basement. Why would they not add that?!!

[@NightCityDrift]

OMG I didn't even recognize Troy! That's so awesome. Great episode.

[@persgodiva]

This episode was absolutely amazing. The tension, the fear, my goodness I was so on edge the entire episode.

[@IrvingDL506]

As a father when Joel hits the; 'it's OK baby girl' that hit deep and different, I think I've become too sensitive since I became a father lol

[@allenlowe12]

I felt David was definitely creepier in the game.

[@Professor_Smoak]

Great episode. Glad to see the beard still kickin ass.

[@robertwild9447]

I really loved the addition in David's speech to Ellie about how the cordyceps fungus "loves". It's really dark and twisted how he identifies with them, and I like how the show has put more emphasis on the fungus as being a living organism.

[@minafrotarules1232]

The Last Of Us show is a complete woke dumpster fire. After episodes 3 and 7, I am not watching this show again. The finale won't be good!

[@benwasserman8223]

@@minafrotarules1232 So when the final is extremely well-received and the show wins a shit ton of Emmys, are you going to complain again?

[@minafrotarules1232]

@@benwasserman8223 Yes. I will continue my villain arc in season 2. See you then. 😈

[@Stanlos]

You know, I wonder if that was why that horrible 'kiss' was added to the end of Episode 2

[@Matkatamiba]

​@@minafrotarules1232 fair enough lol. Cya then!

[@Crawzitow]

On the topic of the penicilin injection on the wound: its definately not the usual way to do it, its usually used intravenously for bioavaiability ou intramuscularly for slow realease and higher blood level over the day. Buuuuuut its definately not crazy or completely wrong to do it that way, one very rare way to inject venous medication is to inject it in the subcutaneous fat, its almost as effective to inject in the vein. The downsides on what she did is of course the management of the dosage... she just pumped the whole seringe and prayed for it, risking overdosage, renal failure and other complications on a already frail person, but without specific knowledge she did the best she could. Also one could argue that if he had an abcess on the wound (in need of drainage) the antibiotic would be lost in the pus, so could have been a less efficient move. thats the bad side of not having dosage information on the box or bottle, i know it helps prevent self medication but in some situations can be unhelpfull.

[@nickold4499]

It's really disappointing how many sections of the show are missing infected. Just including a few more infected scenes would've added even more drama and a greater sense of danger. This world doesn't seem as scary as it should

[@charlieharrington9555]

Overusing the infected without having them actually kill anyone would have cheapened the sense of danger they give off. It was a smart decision to keep the use of zombies to only when necessary

[@FrizFroz]

The whole scene with David and the girl who lost her father to Joel... I kept wondering if it _was,_ in fact, her father in the stew. Given the desperation they were in it would have made sense, but boy, that's a dark thought.

[@shawngaetz8161]

I knew it. I said to myself "where did they get the meat?" Then the very next scene is the dude bringing in the dead deer. And I said.....that wasn't venison ....that was the dude Joel killed in the stew!!!

[@CowboyDan880]

Ellie killed two people

[@omarreyes7626]

as a vet I can tell you that shots directly in the wound does help, it's not the ideal route mind you, it's better if you apply them intramuscular but directly works to, at the end of the day the point is to put the stuff inside the body.

[@RockneOliver]

As someone who hasn't played the game, I can say that I really love this series as a whole, and this episode in particular. I felt the tension was built really well, the pacing was great, and the climax was definitely earned. Ellie's rage and unhinged retribution for the abuse and violation at the hands of David was visceral, and was a great payoff. And as a dad, when she lands in Joel's arms and he holds her tight and calls her "baby girl" - well, as a dad of daughters I must say it brought a tear to my eye. I FELT it. And a teeny nitpick - Ellie had two kills, David's helper dude (with a hatchet to the neck), and David.

[@jurdeurloo934]

Yeah your right however he was probably referring to that fact that in the game you have to kill a dozen dudes as Ellie before the encounter with David. So her killing David isn’t such a big deal murdering wise.

[@robertporter1143]

Wait till next week. Bring tissues

[@buckaroobaizuo25]

As a father, this it me in the feels .. great stuff from Bella, she's really grown on me as Ellie