The Last of Us Part 1/Part 2 - PS5 Pro Tech Review + PSSR vs PC DLSS/FSR 2 Face-Off

[@mitchboland9591]

I don’t know what I’d do without my bimonthly the last of us graphics update

[@InternetListener]

The Last of Us settings update monthly subscription service bundle with PS5 pass PS plus Pro...

[@minners71]

I'm still waiting for the remake of the remaster of the remake before I buy it.

[@Bookish1995]

Probably go outside?

[@cringo08]

Remember when Naughty Dog used to make games?

[@spandel100]

Waiting for TLOU2 on PC....

[@SICK_O]

I've seen so much coverage of The Last of Us that I'll never need to play it.

[@LateNightHalo]

Pretty goofy that the Last of Us as a franchise is 11 years old and has more remasters than original installments

[@jackiemortes]

It feels like a Groundhog Day at this point

[@tchlin]

Goofy complaining about something you don't need to buy. There ARE people who haven't played it. 8B in the world and sold 10 to 20 M

[@WiredTissue]

It’s not a good game. Sincerely shocked by how much coverage this overblown AAA garbage has gotten with the ps5.

[@James-dc6ft]

​@@tchlin Homie really talking about the population

[@martini668]

This pro update needs a remake

[@whydoyoukeeptalking]

Or at least a remaster

[@BozQ]

How about a remastered remake? Or remake remaster? 🤔

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@BozQ remastered pro part 1

[@jotjakubjot]

The Last of Us: Part One - The Last Reimagined Remaster

[@bagelbomb1887]

​​@@jotjakubjotIts only had 1 real remaster it came out at the very end of the PS3 lifespan so it made sense for it to have a PS4 version too. It was remastered for the PS5 in 2023 and was a massive improvement over the 2013 PS4 version.

[@MrRonski]

Ps3 vs Ps4 Vs Ps4 Pro Vs Ps5 Vs Ps5 Pro comparison when?

[@InternetListener]

vs PC on 8K or native AA downscaled maximum settings...

[@Hi-levels]

We need the ps6 ultra Remake 😂😂😂

[@fabrb26]

They'll wait for the PS6 version to drop.

[@D.u.d.e.r]

😁😆👍👍neverending graphical upgrades and remakes, this is what Naughty Dog does since the "last" Last of Us was released😂

[@lxXSuddenDeathXxl]

Man, it still blows my mind how amazing these games look. Naughty Dog are wizards. The gameplay reminds me of those fake CGI trailers back then. We used to be blown away by it, it's actually a reality now.

[@sjthjsdreadfather4867]

The Last of Us is 11 years old, and passes for a new release

[@reisefeyilmaz]

@@sjthjsdreadfather4867 tlou 1 doesnt look bad but wouldnt pass for a new release

[@maskedlibrarian1483]

​@@reisefeyilmaz it would considering most games releasing now don't look that much better. Only a few come to mind which are Alan Wake 2, silent Hill, hell blade and some othwrs

[@theanimerapper6351]

​@@maskedlibrarian1483 the vast majority of games released since 2014 look better than the original ps3 last of us

[@JoaoFederle]

@@sjthjsdreadfather4867 nah, the last of us 1 is dated, but it still looks good because of stellar art direction. part 2 on the other hand, is over 4 years old now, and it still is one of the best looking games ever. and when it comes to character animation and real time cutscene direction, no one has even come close to it yet.

[@heyheyhe0011]

Naughty Dog guarantees there will be PS6 upgrade for last of us 1 and 2 in 2028

[@maskedlibrarian1483]

Source??

[@ThiagoOliveira1984]

Part 2 remake and part 1 remake remastered

[@dr_diddy]

@@ThiagoOliveira1984 Remastered PS4 games til we're 90 😭

[@kiisseli1337]

Yes, but it's only $20 for existing Part I/II owners, separately. For others or regular Remastered owners it's $80/game

[@LaloLanderos16]

@@maskedlibrarian1483I think it’s a joke 😂

[@HappyDude1]

Lets make a remaster of the remake for the ps5 pro and then a deluxe remaster remake for the ps6

[@MrZed_11]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Ashyaksan]

Protip for PS5 pro owners : if you find the 60fps of the pro mode strangely blurry, just put off the 120hz option in the console menu. For some reason the console wants to run 60 fps modes at 120 fps in some games (f1 24, Dying Light 2..) when the option is set on Automatic, so you might need to put that off until Sony fix this.

[@dannonyogurt98]

Pro tip for PS5 pro owners : If you're still within the 30 days of purchase date most retailers will take the console back 👍

[@tierossno1]

😂​@@dannonyogurt98

[@tgreg9542]

It does the same on base PS5. It automatically puts you at 120hz, and my TV is HDMI 2.0 native 120hz; so it goes straight to 1440p@120hz

[@h1gh3r73]

This is interesting - not seen any coverage or anyone else mentioning this

[@corey_massey]

The 120hz option in the console menu only works with games with an actual in game 120fps mode...these modes usually lower resolution or use dynamic resolution scaling to hit or come close to that framerate target and even though the PS5 pro has PSSR it will still appear lower resolution than the 60fps mode which is at a higher resolution all the time. Neither F1 or Dying Light appear blurry , to me at least, but they are definitely running at a lower resolution than the 60fps mode most if the time. Turning off the 120hz mode at the console level will lock you out of the 120fps in game option in all games so I don't recommend turning it off at the console but if you want it off for those specific games then you should also see the 120fps option (usually a unlock framerate option) in the visuals menu of the game. Turning it off in game will lock that game to 60fps and give you the higher resolution all the time. Since 120hz is not a selling point for me for singleplayer games I usually turn it off with the only exceptions being with those games where the unlocked framerate option can be used on the fidelity mode to force the framerate closer towards 60fps (example Spiderman 2, or Ratchet and Clank where the unlocked framerate option allows you to play the game in fidelity Pro mode within the VRR window at 60fps). At any rate it's not a bug or something that Sony needs to fix.

[@steveb6583]

Digital Foundry doing bespoke work.

[@ultimategohan1551]

B e s p o k e

[@MysteryD]

This time, bethpoke even.

[@Quizack]

Hello I’m Wichawd, and welcome to Digital Foundwy’s bespoke gaming channel!

[@MysteryD]

@@Quizack Richard's speech "impediment" is way easier to listen to than olie's. I feel like they give olie all the scripts with the most S sounds. Ekth Bokth Therieth Ethh

[@PupilofN]

Yes. The shadow map flickering is the issue causing the instability, not image upscaling. It seems that PSSR also scales the shadow map not just the final image. As Sony filed patent for use of Pssr directly on compressed data structure, it seems that is already applied to the shadow maps. But to the shadow map it is causing problems. It seems that DLss and Pssr are doing different things here, so may not be apple to apple comparison.

[@martinramirez9647]

This raised a question, how many times are you gonna play the last of us?

[@stephenmaxam]

none

[@JAYCEEDOUBLE]

Nobody complained about too much Crysis analysis but TLOU is an issue? Who cares

[@martinramirez9647]

@@JAYCEEDOUBLE apparently you care enough to comment buddy. This is not a complaint, I'm just saying, people probably played the last of us a couple of times on PS3, then a couple of times on PS4, then a couple of times on PS5, then a couple of times on PC, are people still gonna play it on PS5 pro? How many times? Does anyone even care that this looks/run better? Enough for a full playthrough? Again?

[@stephenmaxam]

@JAYCEEDOUBLE i personally just ignored the small title but tlou has been somewhat harder to ignore I played the first one reminded me of resident evil style games and switched it off..... Yet I know Joel got deleted in 10 mins by a very muscular individual that wasn't male and turned into the first lesbian simulator or so it was described. Like ghost of whatever the new title is not every tale is for me. I can opt to not join in.

[@1meen1]

This was way before the bots and when the comments were reasonable. Pretty sure it'll be the same if Crysis released today ​@@JAYCEEDOUBLE

[@volatilelyle5170]

At his point, consoles should just give us an option to run games at 1080p, 1440p or 4K with FSR/TSR/PSSR in Quality, Balanced or performance mode. Give the player more options. Some people have high refresh rate 1080p displays and others have 60hz 4K displays. I'm sure there are some people playing their console on a 1080p 144hz monitor that don't care about the resolution and would prefer 1080p with as much frames as possible... even turning on Quality upscaling to try and max out their monitor. Which I'm sure the CPU would be pegged before reaching those frames. But for people that play FPS games it would be ideal

[@molsen7549]

100% If nothing else, simply unlocked frame rates with VRR should have been standard for every game this generation. Instead, it takes a pro model console and a select few studios (insomniac for example) to really push these basic features and give them any kind of exposure.

[@michaelmayers3622]

Just get a pc

[@glenmcl]

I've got a 144hz 4K display and a 120hz 4K OLED TV

[@minners71]

@@michaelmayers3622 Nah no thanks.

[@erickvon8752]

Exactly, since to me, as of now, the PS5 Pro is just able to do better, antialising be able to use PSSR, but I feel Sony can do that on the PS5 with probably having it at Perfomace or Balance mode. It would be better than FSR. Sure, it uses more graphic power, but at least give us that on the base console instead of paying $700 for better antialiasing.

[@steel5897]

These stability issues on PSSR are really concerning. It's one thing to get them on third party games like SH2 where probably they didn't have any instructions on implementation etc, but it showing up on first party games is massively worrying. I just hope that when they do update PSSR and launch like PSSR 2.0, 2.1, etc that they go back and update all the old games too, like we can do on PC with DLSS dlls.

[@alexgrey5933]

That is actually a good question... will the new PSSR iteration be automatically added without devs input ? I would be surprised byt it but it would be pretty cool !

[@kiisseli1337]

@@alexgrey5933 It's not automatic. And I don't think we will get any updates to PSSR before PS6 (to PS6).

[@alexgrey5933]

@kiisseli1337 yeah that is what I thought. Though I think they improve it internally so we will probably see upgrades with patches and new releases before ps6

[@Norightnowrong1]

@@kiisseli1337some developers are already working with a newer version of PSSR, so yeah, you are getting newer versions before the PS6, which may very well be 4 years in the future

[@undisclosedsteve6361]

​@kiisseli1337 What makes you say that? Lmao like you're going off nothing😂

[@alister101]

Forgot to say, love that you used the PS3's art for the thumbnail.

[@vegetarey]

why did you use FSR 2 on PC? FSR 3.1 with frame generation has been available for like a year now on PC

[@Dragonguygly]

Fidelity unlocked on Pro is how I am playing

[@chochopopstv3468]

Why..

[@tomekkrr7806]

Same ! Best Result

[@mythicalgnome2527]

It's actually putting in some great work with VRR.

[@TheRealBOBlibob]

What's the frame rate like? Why didn't they cover it in this video?

[@Solegor]

@@TheRealBOBlibobthey do tho, at 07:46.

[@larrytaylor2692]

Also I thought Sony said you wouldn’t have to choose from performance versus quality anymore

[@undisclosedsteve6361]

You literally have a Pro mode, why would you want less choice? They also give you the ability to see the old versions...

[@fturatti]

They sell it as a 60fps machine just to later you notice that the biggest advantage of ps5pro is... its fidelity mode with more ray tracing.

[@undisclosedsteve6361]

@fturatti But it is 60 fps with 4K visuals, you can't get that with PS5....

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

They also said that the GPU had 45% more performance, but so far in every case we see a flat 30% improvement to frame rates.

[@ketanahire984]

They lied 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@mysticalos]

PSSR just doesn't seem to like liquid or shadows very much in some games with that flicker. Hopefully sony sorts that out.

[@roberttitchener1821]

They not using it properly until they release new games with the features, at the moment it's just enhanced optimised old games

[@chubbs6504]

ps pro is junk

[@kenroyforrester156]

What features?​@@roberttitchener1821

[@infinitysynthesis]

The Last of Us was the first game i played on the ps4 when i got it back in 2014. Such a good/emotional game. Comparing how it looks now on the Pro to when i played it is crazy. The graphics have come so far. Definitely on of PlayStations best ip's imo.

[@xXLilSmurthXx]

Try playing it for the first tune on the PS3 and now on the PS5. Talk about a difference.

[@infinitysynthesis]

@@xXLilSmurthXx I was talking about the remaster on ps4 but yeah, the ps3 version to the ps5 pro would be an even bigger jump.

[@maskedlibrarian1483]

​@@xXLilSmurthXx Even if people diss about the game getting remaster that ps4 remaster was Soo much needed. The PS3 struggled to get 30fps at HD resolution not even FHD.

[@dr_diddy]

@@maskedlibrarian1483 Damn, I completely forgot The Last of Us is a game that released on the PS3. I know the Part One version has been completely remastered but it's funny when you realise a PS3 remaster is being used to market the PS5 Pro.😭

[@maskedlibrarian1483]

@@dr_diddy Well almost all ps5 exclusives are remaster of ps4 games so you could say the same for them too lmao

[@daysgone3950]

I played TLOU 1&2 only once on PS4 but these reviews make me feel I've played it recently.😂

[@JackJohnson-br4qr]

When will we see what PC GPU matches the Pro in this game?

[@ALISHAPLAY10]

It's like a 3080/3090 maybe not even that much

[@那人冷靜一點]

3060ti or a 3070 will probably crush the console

[@那人冷靜一點]

Since in this game it's a 30% uplift at most compared to the base ps5

[@don7361]

​@@那人冷靜一點Facts 💯

[@pcplayer-r3n]

3090 definitely not this noway even now this thing will kick arse

[@MAXISORAWIGGLES]

It's weird how sharp the old modes are

[@MM-hi]

It wasn't like that before, the pro patch oversharpened the image

[@AimeeRose1997]

Love how the image in the thumbnail is from the pre-remaster version of the game despite it not being the version coverred.

[@ShinDMitsuki]

I mean, that in and of itself should tell you how pointless all this is.

[@GrooveSpaceArk]

Don't worry nobody can tell the difference anwyay

[@Theendman42]

I didn't even notice lol.

[@jovi9918]

Nope, Its concept art

[@rafaelramoscardona3108]

Why would you let a thumbnail dictate anything is beyond me, even more so when digital foundry does great work when it comes to covering the games they are wanting to focus on. So by now, you should be fully aware that they will bring their findings and evidence which is the whole point of the video. Not "let me check the thumbnail to see if it's worth my time and or if I even see a difference". Go touch grass.

[@MrNasexD]

man Joels heads bouncing at 2:05 made me laugh

[@C0LPAN1C]

Sychronised jogging. 😂

[@AmariMarvelous]

You should watch his head bounce while listening to a dope boom bap hip hop beat 😂

[@MikeZablo]

I just finished it again on ps3.. I’m half blind so I don’t need ps5 pro version

[@TomLehockySVK]

PS3 version still looks great to this day.

[@MetroidFREAK21]

I'm still set with my OG launch PS5

[@thespeechboss]

Awesome

[@BreadShambo-d8t]

Nobody said you weren't.

[@dewille-pl]

I just finished part1 on PS5 playing mostly 40fps vrr and performance. This game looks amazing on PS5...also when I play I do not zoom x3 on screen !! Yes - it looks better on Pro but not $700+$60 drive (if you lucky to get one mrsp)

[@kiisseli1337]

You mean 850€ + 160€ for drive, but none available in Europe Haven't been in a month

[@mythicalgnome2527]

Sold my PS5 for 320 profit and then got over 100 back on PSN with 15x points. So a pretty worthwhile upgrade when combined with the huge space increase.

[@IdrisAfonina-u7w]

You always surprise us!

[@BeersYourFriend]

Man are these graphics incredible or what? its unreal.

[@don7361]

Incredible, unreal?😂 If console graphics are blowing your mind you would buss a 🥜 if you witnessed PC 🖥 graphics. 😂

[@asdtyuv]

Update the DLSS dll & use DLSSTweaks to force preset (or just drag the 3.8.10 dll over the old one since it removed the bad presets) TLOU pc uses a quite old version

[@phrozac]

Looking forward to TLOU2 on PC. Hoping for 21:9 and high refresh support. I'm guessing Sony plans to release TLOU2 around when se2 of the show comes out.

[@jorgeacosta6698]

Lets hope for good port next year, not like part 1 which was one of the worst PC ports in recent history and it's still bad

[@Aid3nn33]

we've seen TLOU 1000 times, we need details about Pro on RE4R, Callisto, Demon's Souls, lords of the fallen, rise of the ronin, the 2 horizon games, until dawn, enough with tlou

[@DrawbackDrawback]

You have to remember that Digital Foundry is a business. Their business relies on people watching their content. The more eyes on their videos, the better. So while it's perfectly okay to want less coverage on TLoU and more coverage on other games, more people are going to tune in for this. You and everyone else who has left negative comments about TLoU coverage are perfect examples of that. You don't want this content but watched it anyway, adding to the view count and making it a more popular video. I would suggest in the future to try and not watch the content you do not want. Rather than making the video more likely to motivate more TLoU content.

[@Aid3nn33]

@@DrawbackDrawback the video has 96k views little kid, that's nothing, if that is what their business depends on, might as well close the door right now

[@DrawbackDrawback]

@@Aid3nn33 Their Spider-Man one did 161k in 12 days. This one hasn't even been a day. So in Digital Foundry terms it's doing pretty well. Calling someone a little kid makes you look extremely challenged.

[@Aid3nn33]

@@DrawbackDrawback 100k yt vids is nothing, most people have ad blockers, to make money on yt you need upwards of 10 mill views per vid and that's low end of money

[@DrawbackDrawback]

@Aid3nn33 Ad income varies based on multiple factors. Not just view count alone. This is literally their job. If it wasn’t sustainable they would not still have a job. 100k doesn’t give you an insane amount of money, that is true. Hence multiple videos. Hence sponsors. Hence Patreon. And like I said, this is gaining views faster than others. You’ve helped guarantee more TLoU content. Welcome to business. We’ll end the conversation here anyway. No real point going any further with someone who genuinely responded to a civil comment with “little kid” as an insult. Not a stable individual.

[@Marmite101]

PS5 Pro is like using a 4K BluRay player to upscale DVDs... surplus to requirements

[@MichaelLudden]

Thx very much! Was waiting for this one

[@dethskullcrusher]

The image quality is very good, performance is solid.. if only i haven't played this game 2 times already it would be very exciting.

[@pranze3484]

DF suggests you replay it a third time with a magnifying glass to make sure you appreciate it to its fullest.

[@ThePoushal]

Only two times? I suggest the purchase of a watchmaker's loupe to get the best of the pro

[@adamsultana8380]

I haven't experienced any issues on my Pro so far, for both PS5 and PS4 games

[@lratio3802]

how much better can these games really look ? they already look insane on base ps5

[@don7361]

Much better if you run them on a PC 🖥

[@AlexanTheMan]

In the future we'll have a PS6 Pro and it makes your pixels look fully uncompressed compared to base PS6.

[@BaseOfOperations2]

Have DF decided to stop showing the little ‘400% zoom’ subtitle in the corner now, when comparing shots?

[@KeithDuncanSound]

I can't wait for a remaster of the remaster of the remaster!

[@kiisseli1337]

I'm afraid PSSR will not get any better before PS6. It would be a very Sony like thing.

[@xtr.7662]

It doesnt need to its great as long as the resolution is 1080p or above below that it breaks down

[@truthdrifter]

it's hardware based so can't get much better

[@thingsiplay]

They should have waited for the PS6 before remastering TLOU2. Every remaster, every pro in between muddies the water with the next generation upgrade. Sony truly does not believe in generations.

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

I think OG Sony titles are a suboptimal idea for "benchmark" since they are very, very optimized. Star Wars Outlaws, AC unity, the Witcher, Matrix Demo, Elden Ring or BG3 (Act3) are more likely to show the 12 - 30% boost. Which always leads to the question: is that enough for that price? Especially when a PC version does excist.

[@corey_massey]

Yes lets look at unoptimized games on hardware where optimization is the biggest selling point....that sounds like a fair comparison!

[@canman87]

​@@corey_massey Why not? Those games exist and people want to know what they can expect from them on PS5 Pro. If you're only ever looking at the cream of the crop, you aren't getting a complete picture of how the hardware is performing overall.

[@dr_diddy]

yh, I'd honestly prefer seeing actual demanding games or non PS4 games on the PS5 Pro. at the end of the day, if I wanted to play old games I'd just buy a PC, it's cheaper due to not being locked into specific hardware.

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

​@@corey_massey it's the most fair comparison

[@Rei-bg3rf]

​@@corey_massey well, you paid $700 for this stuff. Afraid to test out UE5 games? Lol

[@urazoktay7940]

Amazing video, thank you Digital Foundry.

[@crumblebee6728]

I really just want to see ps4 base model vs ps5 pro. I don't think there's enough difference between ps5 and ps5 pro, I barely think there's much difference between 4 and 5 - but I would like to see them compared

[@jonayarrocha4009]

I wouldn't be surprised if at this point they have vision problems from looking so much for the differences in this thing.

[@pgr3290]

One upscaler to rule them all. It's DLSS. Once again it cannot be emphasized enough how much this matters. You can play on performance setting and still get image quality at least as good as what PSSR is doing, and way better than FSR. That unlocks so much extra framerate on mid to lower end cards it's hard to really compare PS5 Pro to Nvidia GPUs. If a game has DLSS a pretty slow, lower end class of Nvidia GPU dishes out at least as good an end result. On Alan Wake 2 one of the most advanced hardest to run games pixel for pixel PS5 Pro is no way any better than a four year old RTX3070.

[@jorgeacosta6698]

Yeah, what Nvidia did with that technology feels like black magic...truly insane

[@ZratP]

But we don't want one upscaler to rule them all, especially if it runs only on a specific hardware... DLSS is the best yes but I don't want it to "rule". AI based upscaling can become better over time, be it PSSR or XeSS and it will. DLSS was garbage in its 1.0 version and even 2.0 version had quite a lot of image quality issues. Nvidia spent a lot of years and time to refine DLSS to become what it is now. It was not a 1 step success.

[@jorgeacosta6698]

​@@ZratP It's not Nvidia's fault everyone is múltiple generations behind them. The Best You can hope is what AMD Will do with FSR 4 next year. Depending on that, we can conclude if there is a change to at least compete with DLSS (in some way) or if Nvidia Will remain the indidputable leader from now on.

[@BreadShambo-d8t]

No thank you I don't want to support the biggest price gouger in hardware in the world as of the time of writing this. But it's a free gamers Republic, you can buy Nvidia all day, and I support you.

[@Thatonewolff]

I genuinely can’t care about TLOU improvements anymore. They’re going to re-release this game for every PlayStation console from now until the end of time

[@TheGoncas2]

Just the fact that FSR2 can hold its own against PSSR is already a disappointment for me. This means developers could have simply added FSR2 to their games on the base PS5, and get 95% of the benefits of PSSR. Making most of the upgrades that the PS5 Pro is getting redundant.

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

​@@mandrews6282 and here I thought 1.0 was supposed to mean "complete" FSR wasn't released with new (and expensive) hardware. You can excuse a free feature taking a while to get to a good spot. I'm not so sure that should be the case for the PS5 Pro and PSSR

[@Aid3nn33]

the reason fsr2 holds its own is because on PC they use FSR Quality mode and from 1440p native, the problem is that most console games use FSR2 ultra performance from 720p native, TLOU2 already had a great perf mode so you won't get huge diff with PSSR

[@Aid3nn33]

@@mandrews6282 FF7Rebirth doesn't use FSR, on base ps5 it has dynamic 1200-1400p with basic post process upscalling options for soft or sharp

[@chasethechosenone8478]

Pssr looks way better then fsr

[@mandrews6282]

@@Aid3nn33 oh yah my bad. I just checked and DF claims it runs at 1196p using a nearest neighbor method of cleaning up the image. I just assumed in 2024 they had to have used FSR for a UE4 game so this is even more baffling now. Lol.

[@vaavegaming]

Playing through Last of Us Part 1 on the Pro now and it’s absolutely amazing. It’s like playing a new game. I really love how much they were able to upgrade the game

[@XMotoMedia94]

I’m sure will be seeing this on the 6 & 7 as well

[@alexanderulv3886]

Hopefully a “PSSR” 2 as this PSSR has some obvious downsides.

[@jacooosthuizen3593]

i have to laugh at the comment section about PS5 Pro price as there are people who buy Pro controllers at $200 and no one bats an eye yet a console is $200 more and everyone is suddenly broke.

[@ckenisell]

Sweet! I was hoping to pay $300 more for slightly better foliage. I will definitely have much more fun now!

[@TheOutsider69]

$550* since Trump's tariffs.

[@alexstyles8829]

With discounts on the PS5 the Pro + disc drive is basically 29% faster for double the price. Nvidia called, they want their value back.

[@icy1007]

@@alexstyles8829 It's not double the price in any context...

[@Falchon13]

I've been waiting for this one!

[@honeytoast4770]

I kept my slim and put my $700 into a VRR capable OLED instead- such a better use of the same amount of money given that the Pro can’t really improve on VRR unlocked Fidelity Mode from the base console.

[@et2k166]

Great game, would love to see a remaster to freshen the memory with the whole new image quality!

[@NeoTechni]

please start comparing to base-PS5 in graphics/quality mode

[@Crashed131963]

Nobody cares about 30fps mode .

[@dmfamzo]

Grabbed a black friday deal on the yearly ps plus subscription and TLOU p1 was the very 1st game I downloaded. Did beat the game on PS3 and the remaster on PS4 , but man! This version is like a feast for the eyes! So gorgeous! And I´m on base PS5 playing on an Oled TV.

[@minners71]

Everyone is waiting for the GT7 Pro update video!!!

[@ATR_Yalcrab]

PSSR in GT7 sucks as well, to much shimmering. Best way to run this game, (for now), is: PSSR off, 4K with RT at 120fps 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@MJ_DaLegend]

Side note: Killzone needs to make a return

[@26Blackshirt]

Did they remaster the remake of the updated ps3 to ps4 version yet?

[@Mickey23kswiss]

Yeah PS5 pro is really struggling to plead its case

[@Levc81]

Part 3 is coming out when?? 😂

[@BasedSakurai2024]

4:28 you'd probably SLIGHTLY edge to WHAT?!

[@LucaCardini]

Are there any differences visible to the naked eye compared to the standard ps5 version? Or just a little more fluidity?

[@PhoticSneezeOne]

Is it rude to say that i can´t get excited over the bazzilionth TLOU showcase?

[@undisclosedsteve6361]

This isn't a release of the game, it's a free update for the remakes... you're acting like they are releasing another version

[@adarion2994]

Is it just me or DLSS seems to absolute trash for this game (TLOU part 1), making PSSR looks really good in comparison? because many of the artifact we saw were things that I saw in DLSS 2.0 like that awful ghosting on the goose 9:14.

[@valonfazlija889]

Exactly 💯 true I noticed the ghosting too and when I played this on pc and now on pro I really don't know how did he come up with dlss being better on this title

[@nicknickname353]

if you use preset E it will be miles better than what you see here

[@ukaszp2333]

DLSS is just pure shit. All upscaling techniques are pure shit. Native only. With better AA than TAA obviously.

[@AvaMiller-o1x]

You always know how to make a great video!

[@serhansazl740]

Will Pssr be constantly updated and improved?Since the CPU is the same, will there be any blockage in increasing the frame rate?

[@CNTRI715]

The more I see of PSSR the less impressed I am. It's a bit better than FSR in most situations and nowhere close to DLSS.

[@KIGamin_]

It was throwing punches in movement being clearer than DLSS. He said it in the video. PSSR is still new. Give it time.

[@Aid3nn33]

check out the movement on the swan on dlss vs pssr at 9:13 and come back

[@christonchev9762]

@@KIGamin_ tho he downscaled the quality of the game to match the PS5 Pro version

[@KIGamin_]

@@Aid3nn33 PSSR Win 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@yanceyboyz]

Just have a pc that can run it native, no need for any upscale

[@nonungus]

Can't wait for the PS3 vs. PS4 vs. PS4 Pro vs. PS5 vs PS5 Pro. vs. PS6 vs. PS6 Pro comparison!

[@TorqueBow]

My only problem with the PS5 Pro is what you said at the end. "enthusiast". Most people aren't graphics enthusiasts, and while the modern iteration of these games looks great, these PS5 Pro remasters were only made with those people in mind. I wish we had NEW games that took advantage of the PS5 Pro, and not just upscaling or anti aliasing or whatever. Idk i am just not very convinced we needed a pro model here.

[@sherwinobenza4531]

You cannot see the difference between 30 fps to 60 fps? Because that what the pro provided…

[@buttermilk5364]

​@@sherwinobenza4531 you can get 60 fps on the ps5 versions.

[@sherwinobenza4531]

@ did you not see the video, the pro provided fidelity mode visuals while on 60 fps

[@TheJms1977]

You answered your own question you are not an enthuiast the pro is not for you, you have a choice buy or dont buy if you are convinced its not needed thats fine the enthuiasts like it and it will get better in time.

[@buttermilk5364]

@@sherwinobenza4531 Did you even read your own comment? You never said that. All you did was claim you cannot see the difference between 30fps and 60fps, which is hilarious since the PS5 literally has a 60fps mode. At this point, it feels like you're arguing with your reflection. 💀

[@Sweetbread360]

I was so hyped for the PS5 PRO, but almost every new Digital Foundry video comparing the PS5 to the PS5 PRO establishes to me that I should hold off at this time.

[@colinparks619]

Why ? I am noticing massive differences in Ragnarok Calisto Protocol Horizon Ratchet Gt7 Stellar blade FF rebirth Spiderman And if you have a good TV it's v noticeable

[@drober8588]

I don't notice much difference at all in my testing. Most PS5 pro games look worse in fidelity mode. PSSR noise and shimmering is an issue for most games. Tested GT7 this past weekend and it looks better on the base PS5 than the Pro to me in Graphics / RT mode. PSSR softens the image too much for my liking. I'd rather not have ray traced reflections but have a sharper overall image. That's just me though.

[@Your_Average_Gamer_Fabo]

I'm loving my Pro. It's not just about the graphics. The system runs so much smoother. I've noticed a difference in every game I play. I'm definitely not disappointed and the Pro will continue to get better as more games become Pro enhanced

[@Workingmonkeyz]

@@colinparks619 8 whole games, that you need to buy on top of the 700 dollars woaw chat, woaww

[@eruannster]

It's interesting how the TLOU games have especially clear foliage when using PSSR when that's an area that other PSSR titles are showing the most issues with (Jedi Survivor, Star Wars Outlaws and more). Curious. I wonder why that is.

[@Jonatan606]

PSSR is used to upscale from 1440p in TLOU. That is a very solid baseline resolution that most upscalers would turn into a 4k-like image... but in Jedi Survivor and Star Wars Outlaws, it's from an internal resolution below 1080p (at least in the performance modes). It seems like PSSR attempts to maintain a lot of sharpness in the image and that will cause flickering when it fails to fill in the gaps of pixels. DLSS has a slightly softer resolve which will grant blurrier images at 4k but also a lot more stable images at 1080p or below. For most people, I think image stability is preferable to additional sharpening.

[@eruannster]

@ Yeah, I guess, maybe? But then you have games like Alan Wake 2 or Dragon Age Veilguard which have similarly low internal resolutions (around 900p) and they don’t suffer from foliage shimmering like Survivor or Outlaws. (They have some other issues, admittedly.) So I don’t even know if that’s what causing it or if we can even blame it on that.

[@xtr.7662]

​@@Jonatan606ff7 rebirth is 1080p internally and looks pretty great below that pssr just breaks down it seems

[@MrStensnask]

When will your optimization guide for STALKER 2 release? We really need it, DF!

[@SD-vp5vo]

zoom in more, can't quite tell the difference

[@ChristianHedman]

On what type of screen? It's pretty clear on a 1440p screen using 4K setting on the video.

[@MisterReen]

During motion it’s more visible. DF needs to find a way to show the differences in a compressed KZbin stream to made it clear.

[@InternetListener]

watch the video on a 4K TV or at least a 32 HD ready (1366x768) one, and you'll see clearly how they look bad and worse than any similar 360p or 720p movie you play on them... the 144p and 240p for your Game Boy and CRT TV respectively are not good enough, you need a 25 years old good monitor or at least 15 years old LCD planel... that or a $3000 PC to see how even a $1500 PS5 Ultra will have problems vs PC native rendering at 4K.

[@DepressedMicaiahASMR]

I think OP is making a joke here guys, don't take it too seriously lmao

[@johngalactus4014]

Can't wait for The Last of Us Part 1: Last of Updates Edition (rumor has it there will be Part 2 as well).

[@yeahiknow9361]

This video couldve been a 5 minute segment during DF Direct.

[@LordRaydenTube]

3:35 I noticed the same issue on the backside of the Ration Distribution Center in Seattle Day 1. It did look really bad and couldn’t be ignored. I hope they can fix this bug with the shadows in the Pro mode. Because besides this bug the Pro mode looks und plays incredible.

[@PupilofN]

I find the same issue on some shadows in stellar blade. I think Pssr is used to add details to textures and shadows maps. It got problems on low res shadow maps. But this is low level ML implementation in the games program which is quite impressive than just DL upscale the final image.

[@harryhenderson7611]

In NZ a PS5 slim disk version is currently $695, and a Pro is $1379 + whatever the scalpers are selling the disk drives for (rrp $169), and looking at the side by side comparisons of PS5 vs PS5 Pro enhanced games I just don't see $850 difference.

[@ff_user]

don't buy, then

[@harryhenderson7611]

@@ff_user Weird place to put a comma, but whatever you say boss. I'm not going to argue against a silver-tongued devil like you.

[@BreadShambo-d8t]

I'm going to tell you something that most adults aren't wasting their time telling you on these threads: Most of us didn't pay that, we used klarna or our CC, got the console on little to no interest, and make 40k a year- I can assure you that $150 a month when you're North of 50k IS NOT the same thing as being broke and saving up to buy one out of nowhere. I know that doesn't seem fair to a lot of people, and my heart goes out to people financially struggling. But it really is not a big deal for everybody- that is why you're seeing the sales you're seeing.

[@young_sttar9810]

Do you sacrifice resolution at the cost of 120fps , when in 120hz or do you get the same resolution that you get on the 60fps mode ?

[@ZiZo34344]

The more videos digital foundry upload regarding the ps5 pro the more I feel ripped off by Sony for buying it . Literally only stellar blade has a worthy improvement. Every thing else is pretty much the same visuals or even worse than base ps5 in some cases...

[@astronomyphilly]

Can you say if they fixed the appalling low res environment textures throughout Stellar Blade? Can't get a clear answer on that

[@DefiantStyle]

FF7 Rebirth fixes the stuttery mess of the graphics mode and the performance mode looks horrible on base

[@alisami1207]

Ff7 rebirth also looks fabulous on ps5 pro

[@whispersmusic6173]

Why are the old modes even an option?

[@Brunn0121]

this whole "pro console" concept is such a waste of effort.

[@Th0rneo]

Why?

[@mikesaintjulesmusic]

​@@Th0rneothey're mad that they can't see the difference on a phone.

[@lunakurouwu3935]

At least ps4 pro and xbox one x had reasonable prices, but Ps5 pro price is just a joke for what you are getting

[@VVaitforme]

@@mikesaintjulesmusic They are mad because they realize that as long as stupid people continue to buy these products, Sony will become the new apple of the console world.

[@berserkerv3897]

You guys didn’t touch on the 4:2:2 problem with chromatic aberration. Which makes all of the modes horrible on 4K 120hz.

[@LegendaryGooseling]

Cool another version of the last of us to play… There’s like a dozen ways to play this game now but only 2 games in the franchise, completely ridiculous.

[@Tido20]

Thx for the analysis 🍾 they look so damn good on pro 😎

[@raresmacovei8382]

I can't help but laugh when I remember ND managed to make the upscaling on PC worse when going from FSR 2.2 to FSR 3.0. They mostly had one of the best FSR 2.2 solutions (basically the first beside car games), then it got degraded. It also never got FSR 3.1.

[@zbuuu]

Glad to see the pc version running butter smooth with no bugs and with better optimization than the launch version.

[@kingbushido8718]

Nowadays, you'll have to put the 2 machines next to each other to spot the graphical differences 😅

[@yanceyboyz]

The PC was dialled back to match the ps5 pro version, he said so in the first few seconds. It was to test the upscaler at same settings.

[@undisclosedsteve6361]

If you can't tell the difference in 30 fps vs 60 fps, then you need glasses bad

[@hocine9664]

nice video as always love it to watch now

[@TheSurfheart]

These PS4 games have never looked better!

[@mythicalgnome2527]

I mean TLOU2 was made at an extremely high rate of quality. It's absurd to just call it a PS4 game when you can clearly see here it gets a bit over 60FPS on the main Pro mode and 50-60 on the quality. This is you seeing the game how it should be, driven through a high-end PS5. There is no shortage of anything in this game on fidelity bud. The animations are better or as good as anything out there still today.

[@azzaprime7257]

They have, they are on PCs

[@VuBeClan]

PS3*

[@GameTechLead]

TLOU is PS3 game... It was just upgraded 3rd time now.

[@xtr.7662]

Well tlou1 is ps5 exclusive but its just tlou2 reskinned

[@kidShibuya]

Ok I am totally confused by your FPS reading on 120hz games. Because in Stellar Blade you DO have FPS graphs up to 120hz, but now you say it cannot be done. So how was it done in the Stellar Blade video?

[@roccodemaro4305]

You guys do great work. But man, does anyone feel like this is all a little absurd? The differences in visual quality between these machines is nearly imperceptible to the average consumer. I give you all credit for making a living analyzing the state of the art, but it’s starting to feel a little ridiculous

[@samhawkes6597]

I feel like we've keep seeing this in coverage over and over and over again. Honestly, I feel like I've already played both games 10 times over with all this coverage.

[@_Quint_]

Sick of hearing about this game. Its legacy is ruined by this point, we're all sick of it.

[@PS5Akatsuki]

There’s a new Pro update?? Did it just drop?

[@diamonds972]

Mate, you haven’t tested the original PS5; you just used the PS5 Pro in both Fidelity and Performance modes. The thing is, Fidelity mode has been broken since the last update, even on the base PS5. I haven’t updated my original PS5’s The Last of Us Part 1, and it looks miles better. The new patch introduced some kind of dodgy sharpening filter that destroys image quality. I’m a little disappointed you didn’t spot this issue. I expect better from Digital Foundry-your quality has dropped massively since you introduced Digital Clip.

[@olivermackenzie3250]

That is completely incorrect. All footage labeled as PS5 footage came from an actual PS5.

[@olivermackenzie3250]

I also note the sharpening issue in the video.

[@hellorandomperson221]

Stop milking this average game so much. Go show some games that actually need the coverage like Rise of the Ronin on PS5 Pro

[@DutyFirst]

I adored this game when I first played it on the PS4. Would have called it my favourite game of all time. I replayed the re-master again on the PS4pro because indeed it was a special game for me. Perhaps for like some of you Part 2 left a bad taste in my mouth however I still came back and played Part 1 again on the PS5 on launch day at full retail. I really adored this game but was a tad disappointed in the remake. That said it was also a fitting farewell to the past, a final toast to one of my favourite games. I've replayed it 3x and frankly that's enough... The fact I still see this game being brought up time and time again like a dried up lemon getting squeezed for every drop is mostly disappointing me in the developers of games who seem to all but have given up. It's like this path of least resistance and what's the easiest method we can use to make more money out of a dead horse. It's a dead horse at this point... Just let TLOU1 go. It was a great game but I'm frankly annoyed seeing it brought up for insignificant upgrades with bait and switch tactics to get people back.

[@DrawbackDrawback]

I don't understand. If coverage of this game annoys you, why did you go out of your way to watch this video? Digital Foundry are just doing their job. Maybe take a step away from the internet for a lil bit if you are finding yourself constantly gravitating towards things that annoy you, homie.

[@DutyFirst]

@DrawbackDrawback I didn't watch the video. Good attempt at being smart.

[@DrawbackDrawback]

@@DutyFirst You came to the video to not even watch it but to leave a rant aimed at Naughty Dog on a Digital Foundry video? My dude, this just makes you sound even sadder. Did you at least pause the video as soon as you opened it?

[@ctrlectrld]

9:31 "one substantial compromise with DLSS is that image clarity takes a hit in motion, relative to PSSR. Sony's solution does a good job of maintaining image detail with the camera moving" This is a super huge deal and it should be talked about more. I'll take PSSR's less stable (imperceptible when zoomed out) but better image motion clarity, over DLSS's more stable but blurry image when in motion, any day of my life. Motion clarity is a big issue with upscalers, PSSR seems to be the only upscaler doing a good job in that area, this is not to be downplayed. 9:48 Saying that "DLSS is clearly the better solution" while the bird at 9:13 is ghosting like a mofo and an artifact pattern materializes right in front of our faces on the body of water at 10:05 it's some Jensen Battaglia-level gaslighting ho ly. Please Oliver get away from Alex Huang influence! No but seriously, key highlight: motion clarity. Very excited to see what comes next.

[@jorgeacosta6698]

It is not and ultimatelly, he concludes Even the lowest of the loW of DLSS is better than the Best of the PSSR

[@LeeLee-fi7mx]

So you prefer more overall aliasing and image break up over sharpness. Gotcha.

[@ctrlectrld]

@@LeeLee-fi7mx And tell me, is this aliasing and image break up here with us? PSSR so far showed better aliasing coverage than DLSS, best example of this is Ratchet & Clank. The Image instability I'm talking about refers to the noise-like flickering that can be observed if you do a 4x zoom. It's funny how people regurgitate stuff, how about you use your own eyes and come to your own conclusions instead? Oh you can't, you need DF to spoon feed you with whatever info. Gotcha.

[@ctrlectrld]

@@jorgeacosta6698 While certainly DLSS is impressive in performance mode, I don't agree with Oliver's conclusion. There are visible, distracting artifacts happening with DLSS, in both perf and quality mode, that just don't happen with PSSR. Time stamps in my op.

[@LeeLee-fi7mx]

​@@ctrlectrldDo a Google search of "Ratchet and Clank PSSR vs DLSS" and the first result you get will be Eurogamer/digital foundry stating that pssr does not ant-alias as well in the game. And that is the example you want to give me about PSSR having better anti aliasing? Anybody that owns a modern Nvidia Gpu can look at games using PSSR and can clearly tell that PSSR overall is not in the same ballpark as DLSS even in performance mode. Cope harder!