The Last of Us Thoughts : Mediocrity Masquerading as Mastery

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[@AtrophyOfSoul]

17:31 since I can't add annotations this part is actually supposed to be, "So is the last of us the worst game ever made? Of course not! It's a mediocre game, with interesting ideas, and a decent story, with good characters, but that's all it is, mediocre" instead of "So is the last of us the worst game ever made? Of course not! It's a good game, with good ideas, and a good story, with good characters, but that's all it is, good." This line was actually from a far earlier draft of this video where I was actually a little less critical about the game overall. Since the initial video didn't really reflect my true feelings, a lot of it changed, but somehow I forgot to edit out that line. My apologies for any confusion that this line may cause, but since I can't edit the video, or add any annotations I'll just pin this comment. In either case thanks for watching and listening XD

[@Aringtorulethemall]

Still the best analysis of this game by a Longshot.

[@wordsshackles441]

You see, that's kinda funny, because, when I watched your video, and heard that passage about the game being supposedly 'good', I thought that the statement was at odds with the excellent points you were making throughout your video. I thought to myself, perhaps he should have said "descent', or 'mediocre'. Well, here it is. My man!

[@AtrophyOfSoul]

@@bendovahkiin8405 Someone didn't watch the video

[@Deafwing]

@Vayne Carudas Solidor exactly! I thought that exactly as I was playing! Like, this human being (Joel) is a piece of shit and we're supposed to care about him? What about all the people he killed? He probably murdered entire families and we're supposed to care for him?!

[@randomdude189]

You lost me at calling the characters good... they are trash. Ellie is trash

[@Megumi_Bandicoot]

“Mediocrity Masquerading as Mastery” Naughty Dog in a nutshell.

[@Miyakolover]

I love this comment. Naughty Dog are the most overrated developer of all time.

[@TheCyclicGamer]

@@Miyakolover Their Jak and Daxter games were the last great things they made. Uncharted is ok, but just like LOU, it uses parts of it's medium as weaknesses as opposed to strength.

[@Miyakolover]

@@TheCyclicGamer I agree.

[@frozenwine9317]

@@Miyakolover True, one part of Naughty Dog's fanbase is cool but the other one is just annoying. I just recently saw someone saying on a video that The Last of Us was overrated and a Naughty Dog fanboy answered him "Go play Fortnite or FIFA kiddo". Also. Naughty Dog fans often says "Naughty Dog don't make fun of us and always give us what was promised" and when a video called "Naughty Dog downgrades" came out to show that it's not the case. It got a VERY high dislike ratio while literally everything on it is totally true.

[@frozenwine9317]

@@TheCyclicGamer In fact. The Uncharted games also suffered from this but personally. What made me appreciate the series was the fun I had with them (even though I don't think they were amazing games or masterpieces neither). Uncharted 2 and 3 had amazingly fun action scenes and entertained me for a while. Uncharted 1 was also pretty fun in it's time but it had so many flaws that it didn't age well at all. Uncharted 4 has the best gameplay of the series but had terribly boring pacing. I can't remember any action scene beside the Madagascar's jeep chase. I also had fun on Uncharted 2 and 3 multiplayer mode while Uncharted 4 multiplayer was garbage. Haven't play The Lost Legacy (because I'm pretty sure it's gonna be just like Uncharted 4) so I can't say anything about it. I didn't really enjoyed Naughty Dog games for their story but now. They just concentrate on creating story driven games and they forget the most important point of a game which is "gameplay" and the worst part is that they don't even create great storylines. They create games with great characterization but the story they create never were anything to praise. And I'm pretty sure that The Last of Us Part II is just gonna turn out the same.

[@0grilo0]

this video aged like fine wine.

[@musicmodjoe2139]

Considering tlou 2 and its writing.

[@k-la-k6828]

Funny enough, I hated the first game, but loved the second one. Please don't kill me.

[@0grilo0]

@@k-la-k6828 thats ok why would anyone kill you for liking diferent things... well ok as a VR owner that hates half life alyx... i can relate... but no you do you...

[@infamouscrusader3363]

@@k-la-k6828 The second one was a disappointment. The first one is decent.

[@jluck1399]

@@k-la-k6828 MAJOR L

[@willthomas2310]

It's a good game, but people severely overhype this game's gameplay and story. It's no where near a "masterpiece" or "The Best game of all Time" like people claim.

[@liFE-gt6or]

Agreed it’s a really good interactive movie with fantastic voice acting but the gameplay mechanics and “puzzles” are very lackluster to say the least ( I still think overall it’s a really good game just not Resident evil 4/Witcher 3 masterpiece level )

[@breakingnewsyou6870]

It kinda was but the game seemed copied hmmm

[@ajaysm2902]

@@liFE-gt6or sure a pc gamer would say that

[@spectrexr1]

Facts

[@justlloyd7881]

@@ajaysm2902 Why do people a lot of gamers have this idiotic idea that if you don't like a Sony exclusive, for good reasons, that you're suddenly a PC/XBox guy?...

[@mathiasvoorhees6232]

Some idiot was comparing this to the ending of Godfather, calling it a tear-jerking masterpiece.

[@NDB.Lover.]

lmao the funny thing is i've watched that video your talking about.

[@Darkstormsun9865]

Really? How was it tear jerking? It was so predictable. It would have been a much better ending if she died. Joel's friend died for NOTHING. Excellent story telling right?

[@railenherman6482]

Frosty Phasing Who said that?

[@NDB.Lover.]

Railen Herman I’ll try find it but they were dissing the last of us 2 saying how the first one was tear-jerking then showed some clips of the godfather

[@railenherman6482]

Frosty Phasing Nvm then. Don’t want spoilers.

[@Josh-si6ds]

The Last Of Us is the MCU of video games. It's the normie/popular thing to say is "the best thing ever" even though there are thousands of better titles that take full advantage of its medium. The Last of Us was just a wannabe Oscar movie, that's it

[@greenwizard7592]

Joshington I personally like most Marvel movies, but anyone who says the stories are amazing are full of shit. I watch the movies for the action, the stories are pretty much always the same.

[@abovethelaw4417]

@@greenwizard7592 Most marvel movies are trash

[@Narukami930]

Even i found some fanboys saying that TLOU has more Complex lore than the entire Metal Gear series.

[@shadowstrike234]

Having a popular opinion doesn't make a person a normie. I could say that Hydroxychloroquine can help in preventing the Coronavirus. Doesn't make me a normie.

[@shadowstrike234]

@@Narukami930 Okay yeah that's way too far

[@ammar2316]

This video is aging like fine wine. Every now and then and whenever a new "Emotional Story-Driven" AAA game releases I return to it and rewatch it again. Totally agree with the content.

[@frogglen6350]

So besides God of War Ragnarok. What other recent emotional story games came out? Are games not allowed to have emotion??? Try some shadow if the colossus or Metal Gear, normie

[@ammar2316]

@Frog Glen it's funny how you call me "normie" even though you don't know me or what a gamer I am just because I touched with the tip of my finger your pagan totem you worship vehemently without reason. And this describes you well indeed.

[@zafranakram3098]

@@ammar2316 🤓

[@Jdudec367]

Not really it was never true.

[@davettawilliams2104]

@@frogglen6350 🤓

[@aleksandaraleksandrov324]

Just finished the game and searched on youtube "tlou is overrated" to validate that I'm not crazy. Didn't like the game mechanicly and the story was average for me. Maybe it's because it's 2019 but the Witcher is also not a recent title but is 100 times better in every way imo.

[@plapkoki4119]

It doesnt Matter that its 2019 unfharted 3 is waaayyy more fun than tlou

[@frozenwine9317]

@@plapkoki4119 True. TLOU is pretty boring.

[@spectrexr1]

Totally agree

[@Daniel-Rain-YT]

Glitcher 3 has one of the worst gameplays ever made lol

[@tonyeleaglenurmagomedov4550]

Shutup

[@JmanRising]

It's funny how any other game with AI this dissapointing would be crucified, but Naughty dog gets a free pass and endless praise instead. I guess everyone just forgot about the overhyped AI from the E3 demo. What if Fear had AI this dissapointing? You know it would have been bashed endlessly for it and forgotten. It just goes to show how little AI has progressed in a decade of gaming.

[@somedudeonearth4978]

Jman Rising "It just goes to show how little AI has progressed in a decade of gaming" That sounds a little too dramatic.

[@JmanRising]

Some dude on earth It really wasn't though, Fear is a 2005 game. What games since then have had just as good if not better AI since then? I genuinely want to know.

[@somedudeonearth4978]

Jman Rising - Breath of the Wild, Monster Hunter, Fire Emblem Fates Conquest, these are some examples of games with good AI that I can think of. I don't know if you can compare the AI of these games with the AI of FEAR though.

[@raulquiroz7492]

@@JmanRising It comes down to the game programmers. If their scripting isn't good neither will their AI...graphics aside.

[@RaidenKyo]

Jman Rising We are in an era where games are trying to be movies so I’m pretty sure Ai could be great but barely any developers are trying tho

[@AtrophyOfSoul]

I understand that my views on TLOU aren't popular, but hopefully those of you who disagree can at least understand my rationale here. Whether you agree, or disagree thanks for watching, and listening :)

[@Sleetysleetman]

That's more of a positive thing than anything else, because TLOU isn't nearly as good as the media and its fanbase makes it out be, that's just obvious

[@herohiralal3255]

You should try />/ (here's the link - facebook.com/groups/1647887252105675/ ) almost everyone there dislikes TLOU for the same reasons that you do. That it not being a game and being a film. Or you can just search ">implying we can discuss video games" on Facebook if you don't wanna use the link.

[@AtrophyOfSoul]

I'll definitely be sure to check it out. Sounds pretty interesting.

[@AtrophyOfSoul]

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[@herohiralal3255]

+AtrophyOfSoul lmao come on now both of us know you expected these kind of replies before you even started making a video denouncing the "citizen kane of videogames".

[@manzanito3652]

I agree with you. I like the game but it doesn't deserve any 10,it isn't the "citizen Kane from videogames", a masterpiece or a perfect game. But like every video which doesn't praise Last of us,will be attacked by "smart aeguments" like: -you are a hater; -you hate videogames -you aren't able to see why this is a masterpiece because blablabla... -you don't want videogames to evolve And my favourite -your copy of Last of us or your ps3 are defective. Mine works perfect.

[@Devilsblood]

I totally agree, I think I enjoyed Naughty dogs uncharted more than Last of us. I just don't see how last of us would have more depth than a traditional RPG, which is all about character development. I look at last of us and all I see is Resident evil with less monsters.

[@frozenwine9317]

And there's also the argument of "you are an Xbox fanboy" or "Go play Fortnite, kid". I don't like Xbox exclusives and I found that the PS4 had way better exclusives, I don't like Fortnite neither. But most of the time me or someone else said that we found TLOU to be overrated. Those 2 arguments were the ones that were used against us.

[@frozenwine9317]

@@Devilsblood I agree.

[@justlloyd7881]

@@frozenwine9317 Dude!! That "You're an XBox fanboy" argument drives me up the wall. Why are some people so simple minded?...

[@reeceburns8077]

@@Devilsblood yeah I'm gonna blame Neil druckman for this because he did the last of us and took over for uncharted 4 which he fucking ruined by focusing on more cutscenes then gameplay

[@vyrenvygolo2429]

Thats why i hate most PS exclusives besides Spider-Man and Bloodborne. The gameplay its there to compliment the story, not the story complimenting the gameplay.

[@abovethelaw4417]

Spider-Man ps4 sucked

[@ulfberht4431]

What about God of War 2018?

[@kimjuanjun7124]

@@ulfberht4431 Worst bosses ever

[@LPjunemark]

@@ulfberht4431 god of soy is just a rip off of tlou, in short garbage.

[@theotherbeatle707]

@@abovethelaw4417 facts but Bloodborne plays very differently from Souls and the design of world is different

[@MariusUrucu]

You'll get a lot of hate for this (judging from the dislikes), but I agree with everything you said. My gripe with TLOU is how "meh" the gameplay is. Not great, not bad, just "meh". I'm the gameplay first kind of gamer and not much into story-driven games. And if the game is more story focused, I hope the gameplay complements the story, not hinders it. Back to the TLOU, I could just say "Screw it, not my kind of game" and avoid all the fanboys, but now we've reached a point where the influence of TLOU gameplay style is just out of hand. Look no further than the new God of War trailer... And people are praising it too. Apparently nobody cares about gameplay anymore and will accept anything different from the gameplay of the original series, no matter how worse the gameplay is in the new one...

[@AtrophyOfSoul]

The God of War 4 trailer was honestly the catalyst for the creation of this video. I don't think the last of us is a bad game by any means, but seeing the industry treat it as some sort of gold standard is truly disheartening from my perspective. There's so much that can be done within the realm of video games, yet developers have decided to take the easy way out by attempting to create films, as opposed to games.

[@MariusUrucu]

***** Yeah, it bugs me too how some devs try so hard to make their games feel like "movies", while cheapening the inherent advantage of videogames, which is interactivity. Heck, there are games that not only have a good story with a compelling narrative, but also have satisfying gameplay too. The Prince of Persia series, Bioshock series (yes, even Infinite), Darksiders 1 and 2, heck even freaking Undertale, simple as it is, are just like that. And these are only examples from the top of my head, there are so many more games like this. Regarding the new God of War, please check out "THE GOD OF WAR 4 RANT" by TheGamingBritShow (can't post any links because KZbin don't like it...). It's a really informative video about the state of AAA games today and also very funny. :)

[@Aladelicous]

Have you seen Gaming Brit's God of War 4 rant?

[@MariusUrucu]

+Aladelicous More than once actually. It's just a funny video in general, albeit, in a sad ironic way.

[@Aladelicous]

Marius Urucu Whoops, didn't see the entirety of your earlier post. My phone seems to cut off youtube messages randomly sometimes.

[@JonnyHorseman]

To this day I'm fully convinced this game RUINED Playstation exclusives ever since it first came out

[@darkninja9135]

Stop being dumb, idiot.

[@darkninja9135]

​@@duduvenom Bruh you didn't even play the game, normie.

[@darkninja9135]

@@duduvenom The game isn't anything like TLOU except having a similar story to TLOU.

[@darkninja9135]

@@duduvenom I enjoyed playing them but it's your opinion.

[@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421]

​@@duduvenom I hate God of War 2018 so much...

[@Matheusss89]

This game came just when publications and some developers were trying really hard to impress movie critics, then saw TLOU as the second coming of Christ in gaming form. Lots of people seem to confuse being emotionally invested in a story with the game itself being great too. I've heard so many hyperbolic statements about how this is the greatest thing of all time that it's not even funny. Great review BTW. Really liked the arguments, and how you didn't focus on the story only like many do.

[@chezblunts]

EXACTLY!

[@dennisgordon7767]

Good argument. I am about 90 minutes in. There is a reason im here. It dawned on my i feel like i am playing a tunnel maze runner game. This contrasted with the freedom of Days Gone that just felt FUN, i came to a realization i need to see some longplay to understand where its going. And lo and behold - it was more of the same - move ladders, dumpsters, silent take down zombies. This last part especially feels so outdated to me - i dont want to sneak around a room with 5 soldiers or zombies playing hide and seek. It isnt fun. So yeah i dont plan to play it more. Graphics is amazing though with such attention to surroundings.

[@daegnaxqelil2733]

the gameplay still loàoks effrective to me , youjust have to hang on it

[@OfficialAbass]

I totally agree. It's just a stealth game with a mediocre and simple story. I thought it was going to be an unreal experience but holy fuck it was inflated.

[@Indigo_1001]

Mediocre story? People are still saying this? This “mediocre” story was praised and beloved by just putting on a a HBO show.

[@user-zz5qm4og7l]

​@@Indigo_1001 ok and?

[@maniac4658]

I tried to like it as well, but it feels like a bunch of cutscenes separated by broken gameplay

[@unnamed715]

My thoughts exactly. It's an over glorified interactive movie with decent graphics.

[@Rex67Diego9]

And good voice acting

[@Miyakolover]

The gameplay is pretty much an interactive movie...though I wish the story was actually good...95% of it is filler with an ending that makes the whole journey pointless and a waste of time. Edit: To elaborate further just because some asshole is accusing me of having "Nothing concrete" about my statement; here is an elaboration of what I meant by stating the story is "95% filler"; this is done just so rational people would understand what I'm getting at. 1. What was the point of the character of Tess? Her introduction added nothing to the overall narrative and she died very early on in the game; even her "sacrifice" amounted to nothing considering that Joel and Ellie still had to deal with the soldiers inside the building they were at anyway; Even when Bill asks about her, Joel simply acts like it's not important and doesn't even mentions her death; as if the game is admitting that character isn't important at all. 2. The whole part with Bill and trying to get him to fix a car engine for a car was also very pointless. Because after getting the car working...it gets destroyed in the next scene and Joel and Ellie still had months before they reached their destination...I guess Neil's Drucmann's priority was letting us know that Bill was a "queer"...Yeah...cool...and? 3. Sam and his little brother could have been interesting and the game actually does a decent job with introducing them and having them working together with Joel and Ellie; but then what happens right when you're starting to warm up to them? Both of them die and the screen fades to black and they're never mentioned again. 4. When Joel and Ellie reach the part where Joel is reunited with his brother again; they could have done something good with it and they did when it was revealed that Joel didn't want Ellie in his life because she was causing him pain; but it was ruined because of how fast the situation was resolved. Just right after Joel told her that, in the next scene and for NO REASON he was "feeling bad" about it and decides to continue the journey with Ellie. You see, sure...the character "Growth" here was pretty forced and didn't come off naturally. 5. The part where Joel and Ellie get to the University where the Fireflies HQ originally was before they found out they moved to another place...It's pretty much a "Your princess is in another castle moment. 6. I am going to ignore the fact that Joel shouldn't have survived what happened to him in the previous chapter (Not without blood transfusion and someone who can fix internal bleeding wounds) and how a 14 year old like Ellie was massacring dozens of the infected and veteran hunters all by herself even though she doesn't have enough combat experience for such a feat (Heck, even with Joel I thought the game was stretching it); or Joel, still wounded was able to over power two men...Basically, I am going to ignore all of the implausible writing in this chapter, But the worst thing about this chapter was the fact that it was totally pointless and was just stretching the game's overall time...there was no payoff to it whatsoever, just Joel and Ellie getting into more trouble with the infected and hunters...even David is just like any other thug in the game trying to kill/rape Ellie, only difference is that he has a name. 7. The ending is pretty much a situation where NOTHING happens and it makes the whole journey pointless to the point that the outcome of finishing the journey is the same as it never happening at all...If Joel and Ellie DIED or sat on their asses and did nothing...then guess what...the outcome will be the same. I don't have any trouble with Joel's decision on a morale level because you CAN make a good story and ending with such characters making such decision; but the main issue here is that it made the whole game a waste of time and nothing was accomplished in the end. Some people like to use the tired "But it was about the relationship between Joel and Ellie!" excuse...but guess what, these two's relationship story have ended BEFORE the winter chapter...and Joel have already proven he loves her by saving her over and over again from the Hunters and infected, so from a writing stand-point he didn't need to prove it one more time by killing more people in the end and making the whole journey pointless. 8. What's worse for me was the fact that our protagonists didn't seem to have any emotional investment in their journey at all and it made me wonder what was the point of going through all the dangers of going through it? Joel is clearly wasn't invested emotionally in it hence why it was so easy for him to change his mind when he learned it would kill Ellie to have the vaccine extracted from her. Ellie easily believed Joel's lying to her about the truth of what happened in the Fireflies HQ without much questioning...and her mentioning Riley in the end and her "waiting her turn to die" was pretty much too late for the party at this point and had no weight behind it whatsoever. That's just the entire summary.

[@vengadorperomassabio338]

@@Miyakolover wow. 95%? way to make your opinion believable and not biased.

[@Miyakolover]

@@vengadorperomassabio338 Because that's the truth. 95% of the game is just Joel and Ellie going from one place to the next just getting in trouble with the hunters and the infected; the story doesn't pick up before the final chapter...the majority is just a filler inbetween the prologue and epilogue.

[@vengadorperomassabio338]

@@Miyakolover meh. just like any video game. You just superficially summarized the game and I can do that to any of your fav games.

[@crimsoneye575]

Finally somebody agrees that a good story means very little in the face of subpar or mediocre gameplay.

[@unnamed715]

@@mikeehrmantraut1899 Then why would you give it an 8? It's a 6 at best.

[@randomdude189]

The story wasn’t even good but I get what you’re saying

[@GraveUypo]

kind nice to see someone elaborate on the stuff that bothered me in this game. i had to drop it for 3 months and pick it up later because i felt this game wasn't fun enough and dragged for way, way too long.

[@plugshirt1684]

I’ve seen many people saying how gameplay isn’t important if the story is good which is such a stupid way to view games

[@abovethelaw4417]

The story sucked

[@LordRapter]

6 years later, this video is still 100% on point. The Last of Us is not a bad game, it never was. But thats it. Its a good game. Its not a genre defining masterpiece. It never was and it will never will be. The elements of the game are mediocre at best. The characters are good, the narrative is very good too. But the game is not the masterpiece everyone said it is. Its based on the emotional feeling people have about this game. But if you look at it a bit less emotional(like in this video) you see, that it can't hold a candle to all the genere defining, innovative games of the past, that actually made an huge impact on the gaming industry. "The Last of Us" at least done one execeptional thing: Its the most overhyped and overrated game of all time!

[@Vizible21]

Same with the show. It's a mediocre story but is way over hyped.

[@nicola4251]

The narrative is very good? Not getting it.

[@Jdudec367]

Not really. It is a genre defining masterpiece. It was and always will be. No they are pretty great actually. it is a masterpiece. No it is based on facts. It can hold a candle to all the genere defining, innovative games of the past, that actually made an huge impact on the gaming industry. It does multiple exceptional things and it is not the most overhyped and overrated game of all time but it may be a little overrated.

[@BigCoagulatedGravyHotDog]

"...But thats it. Its a good game." *"The elements of the game are mediocre at best"* No. It's a horrible game. When the basic elements that make up the game are mediocre(meaning = "Of only moderate quality; *not very good.")* then the game is trash. I've been gaming for over 20 years and The Last of Us is one of the worst games I have ever played in my entire life. It's shockingly bad considering how much praise this game gets. The story is good, the characters are well-written and acted, the graphics are amazing(I played the recent PC port) but none of that matters AT ALL when the gameplay is a tedious, boring slog with dumb and nonsensical mechanics. Resident Evil 4 did the whole shooting zombie game better, Fallout 3 & New Vegas did the whole post-apocalyptic world better, and even Saints Row 2 had far better shooting mechanics, despite it being half a decade older than TLOU. I've never played such an over-rated and poorly designed slog of a game in my entire life. Story makes no difference if the gameplay isn't good. I have no idea when people started playing video games for the story, the most important aspect of any game *should* be the gameplay. Having a good story is a plus, but it should never be the main selling point. If I don't enjoy the game for its gameplay, I'm not gonna care about the story.

[@jimiperlas3215]

​@@BigCoagulatedGravyHotDog Facts 100%

[@slashinghades7347]

I miss Naughty Dog's Crash/Jak and Daxter era.

[@XpertGreekGamer]

Hey man, uncharted is still good. I've also never played jak and daxter but i'm not seeing anything special. I might sound strange, but i'd pick twinsanity over j&d any fucking day.

[@mister-pinkman]

Too bad

[@abovethelaw4417]

@@XpertGreekGamer Uncharted is a lame tomb raider rip off

[@abovethelaw4417]

@@mister-pinkman Too bad u can’t accept the fact that last of us is trash. Ur the worst fanboy I’ve ever seen

[@mister-pinkman]

@@abovethelaw4417 too bad you can’t accept that the game is widely considered one of the greats. But your opinion is yours and that’s ok

[@tiphotisted]

TLOU in a nutshell: Zombie apocalypse starts. You're introduced to some characters. About an hour later after barely getting to know them they die. Lol.

[@DialloMoore503]

That’s the point. That’s the kind of world these characters are living in. Death is always staring them in the face.

[@mxed1916]

There is something I think it's worth mentioning in Shadow of the Colossus: When you are fighting Quadrus or Basaran, if you step down from Agro, he will try to catch the attention of the Colossus when they attack you. Every time he did that I was like "NO, AGRO, RUN AWAY, DON'T DO THAT PLEAAAASEEE.... Oh right, this is a videogame... still... PLEASE DON'T DO THAT". I mean, Agro doesn't get killed by the Colossi, but the fact that Team Ico managed to make one worry for the pet virtual horse talks A LOT about how well they succeded on making you care about the companion AI. Kinda the same thing with Yorda in ICO. Ellie from TLOU isn't even close to get that reaction, and she has hundred of lines of expository dialogue to, supposedly, acomplish that effect. Hell, I remember having more simpathy for Ashley in RE4 than for Ellie.

[@charaznable8072]

The same people that believe this is a masterpiece is the same people that would tell you MCU movies are masterpieces.

[@martinlutherkingjr.2993]

nope, i think Tlou is a masterpiece and one of my favorites, but I fucking hate the MCU and think they are fucking terrible.

[@charaznable8072]

@@martinlutherkingjr.2993 Well there's always gonna be a percentage of ya'll but i'm talking generally this thing is definitely catered towards the casual audience, don't get me wrong i also like this game but i don't think it's a masterpiece more of 7.5-8/10 or so, like if the gameplay was better it would then be a masterpiece.

[@Darkstormsun9865]

Eh marvel movies is a master piece. If you see it as one big movie. Super satisfying to see how everything connects together.

[@tbnpunishedvenomkojima9624]

@@Darkstormsun9865 they're trash

[@tbnpunishedvenomkojima9624]

@@martinlutherkingjr.2993 it's trash

[@Sheen334]

The BS in this industry is embarrassing. Sony releases a bunch of average games and everyone busts a nut over them. MS have underperformed, which is probably why so many people have lost their mind over Sony's average first party games.

[@rob.s0000]

Kyle Sheen only good games they made imo made by Sony are Spider-Man cause it’s fun af and infamous second son.

[@SayberV1]

It's the effect of both Nintendo and Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot in the 8th generation

[@DaGalaxyBoy]

There's like one ps4 exclusive that I enjoy a lot, and its not even made by Sony. It was persona 5

[@yobro6053]

@@DaGalaxyBoy and Bloodborne

[@DaGalaxyBoy]

@@yobro6053 I wouldn't know, didn't watch to much of bloodborne but after seeing like a 2 second clip of the ending, it seems interesting

[@robertbalajc9254]

Well this game is ok but it doesn't deserve to be one of the greatest ever made!I dont understand all the praise this game gets,this is the most overrated game ever

[@reh-d8t]

I think it was. This game was way ahead of its time and the story is immaculate.

[@leonardopereira4458]

@@reh-d8t ahead of its time? This game is just a rip off of Resident Evil, The Last of Us had nothing new to be ahead of its time, there is literally nothing in this game that has not already been made in older games.

[@khalidmohd4932]

@@reh-d8t the game was about zombie pandemic

[@lachiehutton6526]

People that say this game isn’t the best game ever don’t understand true dialogues and emotions and understanding

[@rob.s0000]

@@lachiehutton6526 I think it’s the other way around. The characters don’t bond as much as you think they do and joel’s ultimate turn to seeing ellie as his daughter happens for no reason whatsoever on a horseback ride

[@yabo_san]

these were my thoughts exactly. your channel has also raised my interest in devil may cry.

[@Mw.StellavanKolck]

Devil may cry, yes that's a good franchise real gaming

[@railenherman6482]

I enjoyed Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls, Detroit: Become Human, and Until Dawn more than The Last of Us.

[@younghou]

because in those games your choice really matters, in the last of us there is no choice, just hide/fight with some cut scenes.

[@kamronlynch]

I agree but I never played heavy rain and beyond two souls.

[@railenherman6482]

I can now add Spider-Man(PS4) to the list.

[@kimjuanjun7124]

At least those let you decide while TLOU is played from directors view

[@mister-pinkman]

Not me

[@franciscor390]

Bruh it's like soo deep, it's like the real enemies aren't the zombies it's like the people like u know right? TLOU is the "Magnum Opus" for normies and hipsters.

[@frozenwine9317]

I recently saw 3 video that made a list of "Best Games of the Decade" and Gamingbolt and WatchMojo putted The Last of Us in the top 5 games and every single PlayStation exclusives were placed lower than TLOU on this list and GamesRadar has outright putted The Last Of Us at #1. And while presenting the game, they not only praised it's story but also it's gameplay mechanics. I think we can all agree that The Last of Us is one of the most overrated games ever if not the most overrated game ever.

[@vengadorperomassabio338]

why isn't tlou the best one? especially that it was done on the ps3. don't give vague answers like "gameplay is meh" explain why EXACTLY it is not the best exclusive

[@dragonnn9788]

@@vengadorperomassabio338 because it isnt

[@vengadorperomassabio338]

@@dragonnn9788 thanks. I didn't know hahahaaha

[@jakistyp7523]

@@vengadorperomassabio338 this video is your answer lmao

[@vengadorperomassabio338]

@@jakistyp7523 almost everything is wrong with the video

[@pinealdreams1064]

This, this and more this. I'm getting a little sick of 'cinematic games' being instantly heralded as masterpieces, even if the game kinda sucks. I completed The Last of Us in two sittings, because the actual gameplay was soooo simplistic I barely ever cocked it up or got caught. I know some people say the harder difficulty is where it's at, but your normal difficulty should at least provide some sort of challenge. Playing games like Breath of The Wild, Dark Souls, Bloodborne - those three are three of my favourites. What do they all have in common? A strong emphasis on gameplay mechanics over narrative.

[@plugshirt1684]

Strangely enough though even though breath of the wild, dark souls, and bloodborne don’t focus on the story and narrative but still have better stories than most games while having great gameplay and characters.

[@plugshirt1684]

DarkSonic180 but that isn’t true

[@plugshirt1684]

DarkSonic180 the game is great with or without the title I saw how different this game looked and though it would say but I was surprised that it was actually a great game. Can you explain what you didn’t like about it?

[@plugshirt1684]

DarkSonic180 the world is only empty after you have explored everything most of the time if you search an area for a little bit you can find something new after fifty or so hours I found an entire village hidden in the bottom of the map. Most of the shrine puzzles suck but there are some good shrine quests that make it much more interesting and they are about a third of the shrine quests. There is a waypoint that says exactly where to go and when you are done with that and search for shrines you can find them all on your own because they are giant glowing orange rocks. For story there is quite a bit but you have to explore and talk to people to learn it.

[@abovethelaw4417]

Dark souls and bloodbored are trash

[@EmersonFitts]

Naughty Dog games the first time you play them are amazing, once you replay them the cracks start to show.

[@EmersonFitts]

Also piggybacking: they are masters of making you do something and tricking you into thinking you did it yourself

[@EmersonFitts]

*have a choice

[@StanderdSolution]

Nope love all uncharted games so much better than the last of us

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

The cracks were pretty apparent the first time I played TLOU. Was sick of it within a few hours

[@Anxiety_Asylum]

this is what i felt with jak 3 upon replaying recently. it felt like a chore playing it

[@BurnedRetinas]

The Last of Us is one of the most overhyped 6.9/10 video games of the modern era. It's decent, but the Fear Effect games are better at presenting an interesting sci-fi noir narrative, and great visual direction style with solid gameplay.

[@AtrophyOfSoul]

Dude the Fear Effect games were badass. I haven't played them in forever though

[@BurnedRetinas]

AtrophyOfSoul They feel a little aged and stiff, but are otherwise still pretty cool, I think.

[@josephabrams8529]

20:00, thank you for giving shout outs to some of my favorite games. I’d include Resident Evil 4, LoZ: Ocarina of Time and Majorca’s Mask, Undertale, and Spec Ops: the Line in that vein as well.

[@wannabebruce]

As a fan of the first LOU, I think that I enjoy the story more so than the gameplay itself. So I definitely see where you're coming from, and I agree not everything needs to be blown out of proportion as being labeled "genre-defining". For me, I really love the characters and story and had a good time playing the game. Good video

[@kristal905]

been waiting for a video like this.

[@hopscotchoblivion7564]

Minecraft is a better survival game than Last of Us.

[@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421]

I really don't get why people think this story is so exceptional. We've seen hundreds of survival dramas in a zombie apocalypse or bonding stories about parental figures, and there doesn't seem to be anything narratively unique to it. When people talk about this game's best attributes, they talk about the music, the graphics, the cutscenes, but when someone comes back to the gameplay, they don't even hesitate to call it the weakest part. I'm sorry, but if a game's greatest quality is being devoid of needing good gameplay, then perhaps that's a failure on a fundamental level of storytelling.

[@Indigo_1001]

Sorry but no one that loves the game says the gameplay is “bad”. It’s not an amazing or it’s best quality, but by 2013 standards is NO WHERE near bad. It served the purpose of helping the narrative experience. And the very successful HBO show that just copy and paste the story of TLoU isn’t prof that the story IS good and DOES hold up?

[@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421]

@@Indigo_1001 "It's not even bad by 2013 standards" I've played AAA games from 2005 that had better gameplay, dude.

[@frankopanklaric]

No more movie games. As soon as someone compares any game to Citizen Kane I know they are looking at games from a flawed perspective.

[@mister-pinkman]

Frankopan Klarić too bad, more to come (;

[@abovethelaw4417]

@@mister-pinkman More garbage like last of us to come

[@aguyyoudontknow7090]

@@abovethelaw4417 last of us fans are like a dumpster they will make you sick

[@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421]

Saying that games should be like movies is like saying movies should be like books, in that it's basically just text rolling on a screen for 2 hours

[@dugonman8360]

I rememberes going into TLOU with an open mind, ignoring the entire "gamings citizen kane, masterpice that'll make you cry" and just going in openminded. What I got. Suprise, was RE4 meets the Road. Oh boy, a AAA western game that mimics RE4 that utilizes another medias entire premise. I've never seen that before. Didnt think the narrative was emotional at all, mostly just manipulative. Makes you cry? A tree stump in Ocarina of Time made me cry, this contrive story about the perfect daughter simulator just got eyerolls from me.

[@GreatOldOne9866]

Then you are factually closed minded.

[@Jotarokun2233]

If you open minded you wouldnt compare it to re4 :D

[@GreatOldOne9866]

@@flyforever20 if people can’t accept that the story is a masterpiece in writing, drama, love, hope and tragedy, then they are factually closed minded with a huge lack of taste.

[@Zombieguy1987]

This entire video took the words out of my mouth, only if some of the fanboys actually accepted that some people have different opinions about games

[@BrendanBraica]

The problem is this whole community on this channel just loves to hate on things because they're popular. I.E, you calling ppl who like the game "fan boys". Almost every comment ive seen is about how the game sucks because no one who likes it actually looks into the story how its "generic" BRUH, thats why so many people love the game. They can see the deeper meaning in everything and how Naughty Dog some how created a unique story.

[@johnmarston1111]

Biggus Dickus eyy it reminds me of TWD season 1 and in my opinion it’s better then the Last Of Us. The game choices actually matter and the gameplay is better. TLOU is just like and Uncharted game but with no par core

[@djdeadbeat4380]

You ask for a masterpeice? I say Bioshock. Everyone else says The Last of Us. I enjoyed the Last of Us enough, but I got a little disinfranchised when everyone started saying it was the Citizen Kane of video games. Everyone I knew was saying how mind blowing the plot twist at the end if the game was as well and saying how it was the best twist they had ever seen. I personally think Bioshock's twist was a lot more unexpected and ground shaking. The twist at the end of The Last of Us relies on heavy emotional connection, which is how so many twists work, but I think Bioshock's twist is that much better because it isn't based in emotional attachment to the character(s), but rather on your understanding of the core setup of the game. You enemy is not who you think and you've been deceived since the moment you started the game.

[@clearlywrong6520]

I agree with your standpoint. However, for myself, I still depend on a good gameplay cycle if I’m to remain invested in a game on top of good story. Gameplay and story depend on each other like your skeleton and your muscles. Those lovely biceps won’t mean jack and shit if you’ve got brittle bone disease.

[@djdeadbeat4380]

@@clearlywrong6520 oh I completely agree. Bioshock's gameplay was pretty innovative at the time of its release. It kept me engaged because of its gameplay. Besides the masterful twist near the end of the game, the plot of Bioshock (the first one) is pretty basic. Some might even consider it uninteresting. I, however, thinj the Last of Us lacks in both outstanding gameplay and story. Neither are bad by a long shot, they just aren't absolutely amazing like everyone seems to think.

[@clearlywrong6520]

@DJ Deadbeat Very much the experience I had revisiting it last summer. As Bill, that crazy friend of Joel’s, put it, there are parts in this game. Parts that if rearranged better or flowed naturally, it would’ve felt better overall. The stealth and survival didn’t mix with the action sequences, the map layout conflicted with the combat mechanics, the story had too many tropes and improbable scenarios to keep me going, and the suspension of disbelief asked a fair bit too much from me (_cough cough_ Joel getting impaled on exposed rebar).

[@vengadorperomassabio338]

Bioshock is awesome,but its gameplay it's exactly what tlou is. Both are survival horror (except different camera views) with stealth elements.

[@nikolasferreira3247]

@@vengadorperomassabio338 the gameplay is not the same, bioshock is a fast paced action shooter with survival elements(there's no stealth in bioshock), tlou is a slow paced third person action game with stealth and survival elements

[@breasthound]

I actually felt like the little DLC game that came after it was better. It managed to tell a story through gameplay without drowning us in cutscenes telling us how to feel. Two teenage girls doing teenager-type things, while outside the walls is a zombie apocalypse. Actually quite an interesting game idea, instead of what we got, which was Gears of Feels.

[@willthomas2310]

I felt a little bad that i liked the DLC a little more lol

[@eatanotherzio6811]

The DLC cured my insomnia

[@Cagon415]

I never cared for this game either. It's actual quite fitting. The original was loved for trivial reasons, and the sequel is hated for trivial reasons. Sony needs to switch it up. Making every exclusive a mediocre movie with button prompts is getting old.

[@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421]

Uncharted managed to surpass the mediocre gameplay direction by having unbelievable set pieces and atmosphere, which advances the action and world building in ways no other medium would be able to do. Unlike TLOU, which doesn't do anything with its shooting mechanics

[@anybody2501]

TLoU is definitely a game with an identity crisis. It's a RPG with no dialogue trees or player agency. It's an adventure game with linear level design. It's a shooter with little combat variety. It's a stealth game with lazy enemy AI. It's survival-horror with that fails to instill in the player an impending sense of doom. And it's puzzle game with unambiguous solutions. The fact that it got as much praise as it did just goes to show how far game quality has deteriorated since video games became a part of mainstream popular culture as opposed to being a niche counter culture hobby.

[@albertelazar4069]

I honestly don't see what made this game (The last of Us) a so called "masterpiece" in everyone point of view. I played the game for the first two or so hours, and couldn't play it any longer. I didn't care about its so called masterful story or boring characters, its gameplay I thought was very generic clunky and boring, and for the most part it was not fun at all! All the people and websites giving it "perfect 10" scores are either completely delusional, or they simply don't have a clue, as to what makes and actual good game. The Last of Us is one of the most overhyped, overrated, and most disappointing games to have come out in the history of gaming!

[@Indigo_1001]

I feel like people who actually played the game have better say on the quality of the game then people like you that played less the 8% of it. Ya’ll are just so in denial that people legitimately love this game. Is so bizarre

[@alonsoiriartewachtendorff2084]

Been playing Games for over 20 years, dont really like this new trend of movie like-games. Of course I can enjoy a great story, in fact I like metal gear series a lot but I always get my enjoyment from games for the gameplay, I think this game tries too hard to have a deep and complex story and I guess that's where it hooked fans. To me a masterfully done game is something like dmc5, I also really like fighting games cuz I need to be invested in a game's mechanics and systems to grow attached to it. A good story and characters is great but I need a good game first

[@Andrew-it7fb]

I'm the opposite. Game mechanics and great and all but if there isn't a good story to hook me, I won't get invested in the game and I'll get bored. That being said, I didn't care for the story in the last of us.

[@JC-em8js]

Alonso Iriarte Wachtendorff agree 💯

[@PHTV11]

If I wanted to watch a good story I'd watch a movie not a video game. Of course a good story is great such as in bioshock but the gameplay mechanics allow you to interact with the story instead of having the control taken away from you and forced to watch boring cutscenes which interrupt game flow constantly.

[@reeceburns8077]

I play PlayStation and I couldn't agree more mainly naughty dog are turning there games into movies focusing more on story then gameplay which they have done mainly with the last of us and uncharted 4

[@Sebulba2000]

This. I completely agree with you. Gameplay is so forgotten nowadays, it's pretty much the same every game

[@ROCKSTAR3291]

You can tell they created the story and characters first, then built the gameplay around them. It's just so bland to play. It should've been the other way around.

[@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421]

No, what they did was worse. They wrote a script and made a whole load of storyboards and then suddenly realized "oh shit, we forgot we were making a game"

[@ulfberht4431]

I think the movie The Road is also another example of a “Post Apocalyptic Future”/ survival movie done right. It features very little troupes of what you’d find in these types of movies, the main characters are more compelling, there’s no “zombies” or “infected” and the feeling of the entire movie really puts you into that feeling of hopelessness

[@abovethelaw4417]

Last of us ripped off of the road and made a downgraded copy

[@GreatOldOne9866]

The Road is brilliant, but there can be other similar stories like it with differently good takes on them.

[@lukasribin4168]

The book is far better than the movie, and yes, this video game was obviously inspired heavily by the novel and/or film.

[@majimagoro8359]

Goddam this video hit the nail on the head. Great job dude...these are my thoughts exactly

[@xanthousfishjeretuna9778]

Lets be honest, only reason it was worshipped so much was because it was exclusive. Same goes for most exclusive games. Personally I see most Naughty Dog games as extremely overrated, and the fanbase of the games are the most toxic thing possible

[@AtrophyOfSoul]

100% agreed. I haven't genuinely loved any of Naughty Dogs games since Jak and Daxter on PS2 lol

[@RobertEdwinHouse9]

@@AtrophyOfSoul I enjoyed the uncharted games especially 4,they are not good games but damn are they fun unlike the last of us

[@Purtle]

Last of Us was a masterpiece imo

[@solidhutyr1815]

@@RobertEdwinHouse9 and why do you think they aren't a good games just curios

[@RobertEdwinHouse9]

No real mechanics other than shitty auto platforming that requires no effort,shitty shooting mechanics and shitty stealth if I can even call it that

[@Kyal-]

I truly enjoy Days Gone more than TLOU, and I cant tell if it's because of the story being less forced or because the gameplay is just so much more diverse. Days Gone controls so much better, and I feel it is a much better example of modern day survival horror. (Probably because the vibe is alot more RE) I wish people had the time and, or attention span to finish 40 hour plus games so they could see some real long character development.

[@frozenwine9317]

I totally agree with you.

[@jvincent14]

Days gone is kinda trash man and i really wanted to like it

[@sladelius6174]

Days Gone is light years better.

[@nassahrakim8136]

@@jvincent14 you're not a gamer if you didn't like days gone and liked tlous. Might as well watch movies than play games

[@Jdudec367]

@@nassahrakim8136 Having a different opinion does not make them not a gamer stop being a toxic elitist prick. No they can still play games too.

[@pinkbunnyofdeath]

What great analysis of this game. It is always a treat to see one of your videos to appear in my subscriptions. Keep up the good work.

[@AtrophyOfSoul]

I like your username haha thanks for the kind words :)

[@zaidhaikal5716]

AtrophyOfSoul h

[@TonicSpirits]

I understand your rationale and appreciate people like you who challenge their viewers every once in a while. Really made me take a retrospective look on TLOU's single-player. I just wanted to comment that TLOU provided, no joke, one of the best multiplayer experiences I've ever had. For what it may lack in thematic integration and gameplay in the single-player, I felt it more than made up for in the multiplayer. Characters? You focus on the more common population this time, with the player characters' voice lines and interactions giving them personality and believability, and even encouraging teamwork and relaying information with lines like "Glad you're covering my ass," or "Look out, he's got a shotgun!". The premise alone does plenty of worldbuilding, as it shows the daily struggle of Hunters and Fireflies and communicates their feelings based on how you play. The option of special executions, in addition to rewarding more parts, shows us the brutality that these people show each other during hard times if it means they will benefit, THROUGH MECHANICS. Survival themes? Crafting truly matters because of what perks you have equipped and what item(s) you need for a specific situation, and taking out your backpack to craft in a firefight has risks because enemy players do not have an inept AI for you to exploit. Every death has consequence, as it directly interferes with your squad's objective (survival/protecting a safe), and losing means a low reward of supplies. Each team only has four players, and just having one more teammate than the enemy in a firefight can be a significant advantage. The slow, cat-and-mouse pace of the game makes it feel like a game of not just precise aiming and twitch reflexes, but also decisive tactics, appropriate to the survival theme. Progression? The multiplayer encourages you to learn and improve with its supplies metagame, as earning more will unlock new perks and weapons to use, as well as loadout points to expand your kit. Some may argue that this would make it unfair for new players, but I think this is a good compromise. Newbies feel like they have a goal to work towards, and while perks and purchasable weapons are extremely helpful, they are balanced by the fact that more powerful options cost more loadout points, and with a maximum of 13 loadout points, no one can be insanely overpowered. You can be a jack-of-all-trades or specialize your role using perks suited to your playstyle(s). Ultimately, however, teamwork and smart tactics are the deciding factors in a game. Strategy? Again, you are competing against other humans rather than the underdeveloped AI, forcing you to keep on your toes and think of ways to keep your enemies guessing. Use a sniper rifle? Enemies will likely mark your position, stay behind cover, and flank you. Shiv of bunch of enemies? They will become paranoid and likely check corners and their backs more often. Set nail bomb traps? It's safe to say that after dying a few times to them, enemies will wise up and use listen mode to check for bombs in doorways and corners, and in some cases, even use them against you by shooting them when you walk over your own trap. The TLOU multiplayer, I believe, delivers a superior experience in using the medium's strengths of interactive mechanics to tell a story and guide you towards an overall objective while granting enough freedom to let you go about it in your own way and blending in enough personality to give itself a unique identity in the market.

[@AtrophyOfSoul]

Amazing post man, thanks for being so thorough. To be completely candid I actually never played TLOUs multiplayer. From what you're describing it's sounding like I truly missed out on something special. I'm going to make an effort to put a few hours into it, because this really does sound awesome.

[@hwanniggles187]

​@@AtrophyOfSoulsuper late but he's right. The MP of this game is super GOATED because there's a lot going on, especially with resource management where you can't exactly cheese the game like in the single player

[@mirearts]

most all Sony exclusives sucks balls in terms of gameplay that is a harsh truth!

[@OJ90-]

Facts. Its so casual. It doesn't stimulate u at all. The gameplay is so assisted and mid. The gameplay is just unfulfilling and shallow. Very boring. The first 40mins of the game is u just pushing the thumbstick forward walking and watching cutscenes... smh

[@pumajlr]

The first shooter i remember using gameplay to tell the story was Half Life to me. It left such a great impression in me. I was thinking of playing another FPS, and it was such more immersive.

[@andrewrogers3067]

This vid could not have aged any better. I hope to see you do a vid on Last of Us 2

[@Greg-yn9rx]

i think a really great comparison regarding the companion aspect is Yorda and Ico’s relationship from Ico. You really get to care for Yorda not by watching cutscenes, but by actually holding her hand through the entire game. Team Ico truly understood the possibilities of the medium, at least with their first two games.

[@JcGross93]

The game has a good story and quite well written characters but awful awful gameplay and game design! I really, REALLY don't understand why so many people just jizz in their pants if someone even mentions TLOU to them. It has badly balanced enemies, terrible level design horrible shooting and even worse stealth.

[@sucram1015]

Stealth depends on the player. They don't control how you play, you can. But I respect your opinion.

[@JcGross93]

@@sucram1015 But then don't have stealth if you aren't willing to spend the time/money to have good mechanics! It's very superficial and borderline broken. No silenced weapons, stupid shivs that break (even on humans, which is bullshit), enemies that spot you from miles away and have a telepathic link, because once one person sees you, no matter if you kill him right away, everyone instantly knows where you are, there's no proper feedback on how visible you are, how much noise you make, or even why you got spotted or by who... It's goddamn broken. The problem is that while gameplay discourages stealth the story encourages it. Meaning whenever you happen upon an enemy group the characters themselves want to be unnoticed. And of course there's the stupid ai that further demolishes the experience. When you're crouching around, evading enemies, and your partner(s) just running around like fucking morons IN FRONT OF THE ENEMIES. This is the most unforgiveable thing in the game, it just ruins the experience. If you can't do stealth, don't DO stealth! I'm so sick of these shitty half baked steatlh mechanics, makes me feel like a moron because I expect it to actually work well, like in a good game (Splinter Cell, Hitman, Thief, MGS...).

[@sucram1015]

@@JcGross93 😂😂😂😂😂 you have a point. Especially the whole group running around not being spotted in front of enemies except you. I've Been playing The Last of Us since the year it came out, and your right about that. Because I have gotten mad over that. 😂

[@Venched]

I would say the story is poorly written as well.

[@Fiery_Latina_Goatchan_GF_681]

PFFFFFFTTT what good story ? ×.× its generic as all hell

[@brandonroque2226]

I actually feel that despite the shortcomings, the gameplay in the tLou threads the line nicely between being fun and resourceful. I don't defend it, but I do feel that the fun, intrigue and the emmergent results of your choices (though scaled heavily from that E3). It's another iteration of the sandbox gameplay that was so common in that decade, and the shortcomings don't destroy ones ability to enjoy it.

[@SmallvilleStudio]

For the most part, I think you've succinctly described how I feel about TLOU. When I played it, I thought it was good, but not great. I hear people lauding it as the best ever game, when Uncharted is obviously right there. I do think people over bloat this game's greatness, which only makes me dislike it more. When a good game is constantly called the greatest of all time, only for my opinion to sharply disagree, I often wonder if perhaps I am the one in the wrong. Granted I could liken TLOU to No Country For Old Men. I didn't really like that movie, so I wonder if the game itself is just not my cup of tea.

[@adrienee3439]

Hey, here with you in the modern day. I agree. I got the game 2 years ago to try it out when all the hype had died down just for it to immediately get a ps4 remake. Now it has a ps5 remake. I for one think the game is mediocre, bugs aside since those were fixed for the most part. The game just felt like....shoots and ladders. Finding ways to transport ellie is not fun or engaging. And zombie stories have been done before. This woulda made a good zombie movie. I never finished the game. I just couldnt stomach the gameplay and the praise it got made me hate it even more. This is probably the only game ive ever felt this way about. Ive been a gamer for over 25 years...

[@lugbzurg8987]

This is just so in-sync with what I've been thinking, and I've scarcely found anyone pointing this stuff out. Namely with knocking down the whole "Citizen Kayne" comparison, as well as pointing to Resident Evil 4 and Dark Souls as already doing these things ten times better. I will say though that I did enjoy The Last of Us moreso than, say... Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. I think that was even more on-rails and scripted than TLoU, especially considering that TLoU has much more exploration involved than Uncharted, and allows you to carry every weapon in the entire game at once... in a survival stealth game... on consoles. After being bombarded with so many dull shooters barring the player down with two-weapon slots, as we're somehow expected to feel EMPOWERED by this, The Last of Us using its weapons the way it did gave me quite a sense of satisfaction. But this game is not worth 300+ awards. That's absurd. I also really, REALLY love your concept of taking a key from a human settlement over to an infected "hive" within the same chapter/map. That's the kind of stuff I like to see, with mechanics bouncing off each other.

[@SillyTwister739]

12:53 this guy hit the nail on the bullet that's exactly what the problem with modern day gaming. They are too focused on competing with Hollywood movies instead of giving us proper gameplay.

[@igodreamer7096]

I agreed with you. Videogames are about gameplay, interactivity must be the primary focus. One can like the stories presented, but if you play games for the story, you are playing wrong, dude. Cinematic experience should be something subjectivity from it, instead of objectivity like we see all those fools trying to copy.

[@pablodelgado7919]

Cool video man. i've never played the game but i love listening to what people want to say about it and i like the way you voice your opinion

[@AtrophyOfSoul]

Thank you kindly :)

[@pablodelgado7919]

You're welcome

[@chronicxdzed2693]

If you let your bitch suck you up like the Leah Lipps phenotype you will become aware.

[@jorgehuertas3995]

This review is magnificent. It's not Mauler level because... You know length, but considered the amount of time spent the review is concise and fantastic

[@DominicanRocker1955]

Thank You!!! Video Games should be about gameplay first.

[@freakjob0]

Story wise the game is fine. Not amazing, but good and enjoyable. However, mechanically the game is a mess. From the bizarre enemy difficulty regression and often baffling item placement. To the hollow item progression and barely there character progression. It really felt like the game development took a back seat to the art team and the writers. If anything is of note in this game it's the dialogue and the great voice acting...by all of the actors involved.

[@mister-pinkman]

Literally the best story in all of gaming

[@blitzboy5764]

Agreed

[@sharkdipus1588]

@@mister-pinkman you keep thinking that

[@mister-pinkman]

JCataliinJ yup that’s the plan

[@mister-pinkman]

JCataliinJ very widely considered one of the best, and that won’t change buddy

[@Antoz91]

Absolutely right on everything, keep it up man.

[@Dornpunzel]

I just left Bills Town in the game and still wait for the story to grab me. Is it getting better or am i wasting time? Because till now its rly not that great to me. Walking Dead was wayyy ahead there.

[@punctuationman334]

Dornpunzel it gets better later on, but I would say it’s still overrated.

[@jackjax7921]

Resident Evil 4 Remake has higher replay value than Last of Us

[@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421]

And OG

[@GOONGGWP]

TLOU was a decent movie.

[@uknowikeepitlowkey6721]

Hussain Abdullah u should play it the combat is fun

[@Rex67Diego9]

YoNiggaLamar there thousands of games with more fun combat thi

[@Venched]

No it's a shitty movie.

[@mister-pinkman]

Amazing*

[@abovethelaw4417]

Downgraded rip off = tlou

[@AncientCS]

your thoughts are spot-on!

[@Percival917]

One of my favorite parts of this game was something Resident Evil never remembered: Durability for melee weapons.

[@GhostOfSparta305]

Just wanted to pop in and praise just how well done this video is. Great title, supreme writing...and perhaps most importantly, you demonstrate a strong grasp on game design and this medium’s strengths. Subbed!

[@k1n6n07h1n6]

The gameplay is basically Uncharted with zombies. The story is just The Road... with zombies.

[@alexisaguirrevazquez7900]

This game is nothing like uncharted. Not even close.

[@Sparrows1121]

@@alexisaguirrevazquez7900 Well Uncharted feels like a bad parody of action movies so i hate those games aswell. Jak and Daxter were the last good games by Naughty Dog. Give me old Indiana Jones movies anyday, atleast they have charm. But i heard Indiana Jones 5 is terrible, due to Kathleen Kennedy involvement.

[@milesmungo]

Glad to see I'm not the only one. I thought the game was good, but little more. The largest point of contention I have with this game (and many other games), is their desire to be film. I know many among us creative are deeply inspired by film, and they both use screens, but they're obviously very, very different media. To emulate film doesn't maximize the medium, I liken it to drawing a photorealistic rendering. It does showcase skill, but you can do so much more with a pen and pencil than recreate the physical world around you.

[@CyberRoidBoy]

I'm super late but You snuck in some MGS in there, you sneaky devil lol

[@ShionShinigami]

Awesome!!! You're like the first guy who is able to see what Last of Us truly is.

[@RichardHannay]

I wonder if the people who proclaimed that TLOU is the “Citizen Kane” of gaming actually even LIKES Citizen Kane.

[@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421]

Or if they've even SEEN it I'd give that comparison to Silent Hill 2, but Shadow of the Colossus is an understandable choice

[@ABR_150]

Spot on. Excellent video.

[@jamesgunner9511]

Absolutely great video

[@XpertGreekGamer]

What a masterpiece of a vid, just like Matthewmatosis, "God Of War Case Study" which i was reminded of by this part. 16:54. And this is an old vid too, still gold though really well done. Games i -like- consider to be art: Bloodborne Hotline miami Team Fortress 2 And basically every other game i have on my poorly made youtube banner.

[@DevilNeverKnows]

This game just proves that society sometimes latches onto whatever comes out at just the right time, and holds it in the highest regard ever just because they want to praise something. When I see such a high number of people praising something, it's clear that very few of them are personally dedicated to it, it's just mob mentality. I want something I can be personally dedicated to, regardless of anyone else's opinion, and the last of us isn't it

[@mister-pinkman]

But the thing is many people are truly dedicated to this games story and world. Not just the main story but the superb environmental storytelling. It’s just well executed.

[@dennisgordon7767]

@@mister-pinkmannow compare it to Dayz Gone

[@DevilNeverKnows]

@@daegnaxqelil2733 yeah, shadow of the colossus is good but I've played it literally one time and never again. It's an impressive game, but I wouldn't spend money on a remaster. I also will never understand the fnaf hype, it's a budget point and click jumpscare horror. All those words I just used are bad lol (except 'horror')

[@daegnaxqelil2733]

@@DevilNeverKnows WILL YOU STOP HARASSING ME? leave me alone the obe with ego issues!

[@daegnaxqelil2733]

that's the issue with successful games like shadow of colossus (people should buy the remaster instead of the badly aged first version), ocarina of time or five nights at freddy's. many boast these games , they needs to chill out. andf i i don't like when the weirdos who does their sections never reply before and then suddenly do it to one in particular. it should be forbidden.

[@conchobar]

Impressive video. Deserves far more views than it has received.

[@titanicww2345]

Thank You.

[@brennanbarber7469]

I’ve tried a couple times to play this game but I cannot for the life of me get into. It’s so repetitive. Every time I enter another big open area scattered with bricks, bottles, and conveniently-placed crates, I lose my motivation to continue. It’s exhausting. I feel like I spend time stealthing my way through an area knowing there’s many many many more just like it yet to come. Im convinced I will never understand the hype for this game.

[@plugshirt1684]

That’s how I felt about it. The gameplay is the same over and over with a few good moments. The only other games that make me feel this way are good horror games because I get too scared to continue but playing this game I feel no fear only boredom

[@mister-pinkman]

Just beat the game dude

[@brennanbarber7469]

stoner pinkman Why would I pump that much time playing a game I don’t like lol

[@mister-pinkman]

Brennan Barber because the ending is the best part it ties everything up so perfectly and it’s so well written. The foreshadowing from beginning to end is so beautiful it gives me chills. Yes the gameplay isn’t perfect but the characters and their arcs are so well thought out and so emotionally impactful it leaves you thinking about it for years like I have. The writing in this game is superb.

[@mister-pinkman]

Brennan Barber like I could talk about thus ending forever I love how ambiguous it was, which is why we shouldn’t have gotten a stupid sequel

[@2012mindmaster]

Just started the game. A couple of hours in can´t believe how boring has been so far

[@frogglen6350]

If you're not interested by the opening segment, you legit have no attention span and likely have bad tastes in games

[@2012mindmaster]

@@frogglen6350 My attentionn span is ok, maybe it's just my type of game

[@Blue.Diesel]

2:18 During the monolog about the step towards realism, the game still has this shit. In a game were that guy gets easily hurt and takes months to heal, he also just jumps out to strangle someone, gets shot, and brushes it off as if his arm is not full of lead

[@ethai1]

Thank you for this! I've played this game around the time when 2 came out and I thought it was overrated. Which is a shame since I've heard only good things about it. I felt like God of War 2018 somewhat went in the same route except its gameplay was a bit better. The entire section where you explain about using the medium's strengths to tell the story is EXACTLY what I thought! Only you've managed to expand upon this more than I was able to. When it comes to games that use the medium's strengths to tell the story, I like to mention Silent hill 2 and the first Bioshock, which imo has one of the greatest moments in gaming history (if you've played it, you know which one I'm talking about)

[@curtis701]

As someone who loves the last of us and naughty dog I am fine with this criticism. Art is subjective and no matter good some thing is not everyone is gonna feel the same way you do. I actually enjoy viewpoints that are almost opposite to mine and this was definitely pretty entertaining

[@AtrophyOfSoul]

Good on you man, thanks

[@BrendanBraica]

Almost every comment is people saying that the game IS bad. Not that they dont like it or that they prefer other games. Someone literally said "nobody likes the gameplay". Aka "my opinion is everybody's opinion"

[@hazard4194]

Biggus Dickus those are the haters, they can’t stand that tlou is seen as one the best games ever.

[@Darkstormsun9865]

@@hazard4194 i can't see how it's the best game ever. Its just completely mediocre to me. The entire thing is just one big cliche. Its not bad at all, i can see how it was good for its time. But as playing it last year. What the hell about the game that makes it so good that beats any other game that comes after it. if you want a story witcher 3 beats it hands down. Each character and even side characters has so much depth to them in that game. In TLOU you learn more about Ellie than joel, because you barely learn anything about Joel besides his brother. I just didn't feel any attachment at all to the characters and they did feel completely unrelatable to me. I think they would have done better with the story if they allowed you to make choices with consequences. Also the timeskip didn't make any sense to me. I felt it skipped over a lot of father-daughter development that we could have seen and made the story so much better.

[@hazard4194]

vang-tou Lee yeah for you but its seen as one of the best in the gaming community, you cant deny that

[@jeannedarc3440]

Hard to defend it now that the serpent has revealed its ugly head in the form of the bloody sequel

[@Darkstormsun9865]

Of course there is a sequel. Ellie, the true main character, still lives. It would have a been a better story if they let her die.

[@dougdynamo9398]

With the recent showcase of The Last of Us Part II E3 gameplay demo, I wanted to see how accurate 1:1 the E3 demo of this game was to the final product. Subsequently, I came across this fantastic video. I personally did not enjoy this game and still cannot understand the praise it received. This video perfectly explained every quip I had with the game. I'm still excited for Part II, but I hope they found this video and took the criticism into consideration.

[@ImportanJoe]

The Citizen Kane of video games is Bioshock - literally.

[@mortarman3204]

The people who were "emotionally moved" by the Last of Us are the kind of people who cry during animal adoption commercials

[@punctuationman334]

PV Pike Mence eh, it had its moments, though it never made me cry. You know what almost did? The walking dead season 1. Holy shit that was a well done game.

[@DaGalaxyBoy]

@@punctuationman334 you thought that was sad, let me show you true sadness The walking dead season 2 ending

[@djoshawott2850]

Funnily enough, I'd argue...this game being rather... bad and not enjoyable. It feels like the systems are at odds with each other: Explore to gather items but you can't explore, be resourceful with items that the game doesn't really give enough of, and deal with enemies that will fuck you over because the game decided you stood on the wrong pixxel that changes every time. Especially with Clickers, which I can describe as "anti-fun, the enemy". It makes the game frustrating, and every checkpoint I clear makes it feel like "ugh finally done with this shit" instead of "I feel accomplished that I overcame a difficult obstacle." No, I didn't beat the game, I don't want to. Because I hate this game with a passion for the reasons above, plus the story didn't interest me. Congrats, you made the same "this kid looks like my dead kid" story as Rodea the Sky Solider, ya want a fucking cookie?

[@Lionlovesunity]

Dude nice video. I genuinely want to know your thoughts on Bioshock Infinite.

[@07m07]

I recall playing TLOU a couple years after it came out and enjoying it quite a bit. The story was solid and well told, and the stealth/combat segments were fun. But even after just a year later, I could barely remember the gameplay or even the story beyond the basic framework. I think this video really nails why it was so forgettable to me despite providing such a fun experience when I played it.

[@LPjunemark]

One of the worst games i have ever played. All my life i never snored or tried to sleep on a videogame. This game is 5/10. So sad gow4 copied this game. Cinematic bullshit with a small gaming experience. I hope japanese game devs wont turn lile this games.

[@foundhorrificgames.2505]

LPjunemark go and play mind Jack and than come and talk to me about bad games

[@realamericannegro977]

Thats what I'm thinking. Even the resident evil remakes try to copy this a lil bit (kendo and his daughter and some other npcs) holding themselves back.

[@punctuationman334]

Real American Negro adding in emotional moments into the game doesn’t mean you’re copying the last of us.

[@kimjuanjun7124]

Gow4 was just very underwhelming and not that great

[@vibe7416]

You don’t have the attention span to play this game, if you fell asleep during it

[@Percival917]

Story-first fane design is one thing. But the thing that really pisses me off is cinematics-first game design, where a game tries to make itself feel like a movie.

[@ShervinSaffari]

i respect your opinion and i agree that when you analyse the game there many parts that are lacking and could be improved particularly the gameplay and ai department and yes there are obvious zombie/post apocalyptic cliche and troupes in it. but the reason i PERSONALLY still consider it to be a masterpiece, is that because it managed to to do something that no other video game had ever managed to do, it changed my life. it taught me a very important life lesson, in the words of joel: "no matter what happens in life you will always find something to fight for and live for". as someone who has struggled with depression in the past, ive taken that lesson to heart and it has helped me immensely, whenever im feeling down i consistently push myself to look forward to and think about something thats going to bring me joy, it could be something as small as the new episode of a tv show im watching or it could be something much more important that i am excited about. this lesson also helped me help my mother during a very hard time, she felt like she has no reason to live after my father died of a sudden heart attack last year at the age of 55, she had planned her whole future around retiring and traveling the world with my father but when that was taken away from her she felt so devastated she wanted to take her own life but i kept singing that message in her ear everyday, no matter what you will always find something to live for, and eventually that became her motto and it helped her move on. so i understand people can nit pick and analyse all the details of the game and tear it apart as i it can be done with any game or movie since there are no perfect ones out there, but for me tlou will always be a masterpiece, and i thought you should hear my side of why i consider it to be that way.

[@AtrophyOfSoul]

This is the kind of stuff that I love to hear, and its one of the things that video games are great at doing. Excellent comment man, I can completely understand your perspective on the matter, and respect it. I'm more of a mechanically focused gamer, but I do understand that people gravitate to gaming for various reasons. There have been plenty of instances within my own life where video games helped me to escape, learn, and grow as a human being, and its one of the many reasons that I have such a passion for this hobby. I'm really glad to hear that the game was able to help you through some rough spots in your life, and thanks for being kind enough to share them.

[@tetermc]

Just saying there are many games that do that better.