The Latin Mass Will Win In The End: Beware Of Fake Trads

Beware of traditional Catholics
Now, I'm not talking about real traditional Catholics, of course. but rather pseudo traditional Catholics. Many of the loudest apontants of traditional catholics claim to themselves be traditional catholics.
But they're really just Liberal Catholics. Liberal in the Catholic sense, not the Political sense. They don't support abortion, or so called same sex marriage or anything.
But liberals always use the same tactics. And one of those tactics is to usurp terms and redefine them.

[@Swish82]

I'm a 41 year old convert. My Baptism and Confirmation is actually this Sunday. It was the Latin Mass that converted me.

[@AK_Catholic_Traditional]

Deo gratias

[@blakewolford8903]

Welcome home!!

[@crusader2112]

Welcome home brother. God Bless you. 🙏🏻

[@gerardducharme2146]

Gloria Tibi Domine

[@ShoJ369]

@ Swish82, Welcome home, I shall be praying for you 🙏 Pax et bonum 🙏

[@beatlecristian]

I’m so tired of it, I just want authentic traditional Catholic teaching. I’m tempted and I would move my family to the SSPX in a heartbeat but my wife is barely returning to Mass, I’m afraid such an abrupt move will alienate her. Please pray for us.

[@bolapromatoqueejogodecampe8718]

Life is such a struggle! God wins though. Hang in there. 1 Hail Mary said for you and your wife.

[@beatlecristian]

@@bolapromatoqueejogodecampe8718 Thank you, I’ve made the decision to take my family to Latin Mass on Sunday, the SSPX recently built a new chapel close to my home. Pax Tibi

[@rubenmartinez4346]

We did it. My wife struggled a bit but now she’s all in. My kid goes to school with the SSPX.

[@beatlecristian]

@@rubenmartinez4346 I brought it up but my wife is resistant to it, she is used to our current parish.

[@ShoJ369]

Prayers offered 🙏

[@oskarvalance3041]

I hope and pray that the Catholic church returns to the Latin Mass. I attend church every Sunday and I see things I don't agree with. We have an organ that hasn't been touched in years. I was and altar boy in the 1960's. I remember the traditional mass, but I especially remember the organ. Loud and powerful. I'll keep praying for the return of the Latin Mass. God help us all.

[@jeremymewhort1001]

The Catholic Church’s historicity is what makes it enticing to outsiders. I want to pray the rosary, I want rules and traditions thousands of years old, and I want a Latin mass.

[@pticman]

I pray the Rosary in Latin 😊

[@Murlo.]

I attend the Latin mass at The Church of All Saints in Minneapolis and there are babies everywhere. Beautiful ❤

[@Dean-qt3rp]

Sir, this is the first time I have seen your channel. I agree with your sentiments 100%. I , on my own, found the Latin Mass 5 years ago. I had left the faith for decades. The Latin Mass has drawn me back to the Catholic Faith. From the first moment I attended it, I was overwhelmed with its beauty and reverence. I can no longer attend Novus ordo, unless I am out of town and have no other option. To me, there is no comparison. With the Latin Mass, the priests I know that celebrate it, hold us all to the tenets of the Catholic Faith, with no exceptions. I came back to the Catholic Faith via the Latin Mass because I wanted to hear the truth. Deus Vult!

[@Maryismymom2]

Goody goody. Some of us are drawn to the N.O. and it is just as valid. Why don’t you stop acting like a Pharisee. The church doesn’t need your legalistic drama. Get a life.

[@littlerock5256]

@@Maryismymom2 A great book is "Work of Human Hands: A Theological Critique of the Mass of Paul VI."

[@Dean-qt3rp]

@@Maryismymom2 I never said the Novus Ordo was not valid. I never passed judgment on anyone that attends the Novus Ordo. You chose to interpret that on your own. If you are drawn to the Novus ordo then goody goody for you. I am drawn to the Latin Mass. It brought me back to th Catholic Faith. If you don't like that, if it upsets your Novus Ordo sensibilities then too freaking bad. Go attend a Pride Mass or a Novus Ordo where a woman Eucharistic minister dressed in a Grover T-shirt passes out communion in the hand. have at it. Goody Goody. The last thing the church needs is your modernist self-righteous Bergoglian bs, where you pass judgement on other faithful Catholics, in true Bergoglian style. You get a freaking life. Pharisee.

[@dawncresci2724]

@@Maryismymom2 I used to believe like you do but since going to the Latin Mass I would never go back to the NO. You don't have to agree but your response is very childish and not very Christian.

[@finallythere100]

Welcome and wishing you many continued blessings!! - The Facebook group 1 Mil for Latin Mass might be a FAKE GROUP itself if admins do nothing. I wondered same about other groups supposedly defending the Catholic faith on Facebook.

[@trevwilliams2138]

And so it also was with me. It was tradition and the Latin Mass that triggered my “reversion” to the faith. I am fortunate, in that I have 3 choices for where to go to the Latin Mass. 2 are FSSP, 1 is the SSPX.

[@livingpurgatory3]

Fr Malachi Martin, who read the third secret of Fatima, had a lot to say about the Mass. If you know them by their fruits, how much better has our world become since the New Order Mass was introduced ❓ Is media better since Paul VI dissolved the Legion of Decency ❓

[@marekeos]

I've said it before and I'll say it again (and again and again...). Lofton is to theology what KFC is to nutrition. I may be viewed as "uncharitable" by saying this, but it's the truth. From the very first time YT suggested his channel and I watched the first episode, I knew where this guy was coming from and what he was offering. Beware! "Treasonous theo....I mean Reason" LOL!!! That was perfect!!

[@AK_Catholic_Traditional]

That line was excellent comedic timing. Just Perfect. But yeah, I don’t follow people who were just recently lost sheep/protestant and the day they are back - are proud & all knowing on everything Church wise.

[@marekeos]

You are very correct in what you say. Again, this may sound uncharitable or even contemptuous but especially in Lofton's case, where he's on his 3rd version of Christianity now (finally the correct one), starting up a KZbin channel and explaining the faith to the rest is a little ahead of his time and perhaps ill advised. I don't mean to attack his intellect or character or even his good will. At the same time, I don't think that a 3rd time convert out to be splaining the church to the rest shortly after joining it. Perhaps spend a little more time in the sandbox and then start lecturing. Lofton may get away with a lot of stuff talking to many lukewarm Catholics, but anyone how knows the faith remotely well can pick up on this guy very quickly. Dave Gordon, no comment. Too easy to take apart.@@AK_Catholic_Traditional

[@MatthewEllis41]

​@@marekeosthis is probably why he is so adept at blocking people on social media. He knows many of his arguments would wither on the vine.

[@marekeos]

Precisely! @@MatthewEllis41

[@sarahnicholas7973]

Im in a latin mass goer. I agree with you 100%.

[@rudya.hernandez7238]

I will be at the Traditional Latin Mass tomorrow. Thank you.

[@miller4190]

This is great. Thank you

[@finallythere100]

He is right about that fb group. I just went on the trad fb group to promote TLM and I was immediately inundated w JP2 saying a NO Mass and post about Divie. Mercy. I think the group itself is imposter. Group.

[@trevwilliams2138]

Once again I Miss Christendom NAILS IT. Another great video. AND WHAT AN ENDING!

[@livingpurgatory3]

I was in Germany, I was astonished to find out all the occult behind Luther and all he did. Luther did say, We destroy the Mass, we destroy the Church.

[@beatlecristian]

Luther was in the occult? I’m interested to know more.

[@sleepystar1638]

@@beatlecristian the seal of Martin Luther, is the Rose cross, the symbol of Rosicrucianism, gnostic Christianity

[@beatlecristian]

@@sleepystar1638 a family friend of mine, who is like a grandfather to me is a rosicrucian, aren’t they Freemasons?

[@sleepystar1638]

@@beatlecristian yes they are an earlier iteration of Freemasonry, they crossover alot, even Freemasonic websites will tout them as different obediences.

[@livingpurgatory3]

There was an interesting vid on Robert Sepher today that touched on it. He was a Rosicrucian, and it looks like his parents were of the Rothschild bloodline. He threw out 7 books and altered massively what he left. KJV based their Bible on his. I found out there were 7 2 gates of hell, one was in Heidelberg, Germany. Gate ll, demon of mind control. Solomon trapped in demons under the temple where a gate is. The Templars (some of them) went there to get the power of the demons. Luther removed the protections the Church had. Many of the properties of the Church were stolen by Luther's group. I saw some of the locations that were stolen were covered in sigils now. He told the local nobility, if people don't convert kill them like mad dogs. Many Religious were murdered there. That can work as a blood ritual. In the occult 9& ll mean to open the gates of hell. Those gates are in Germany. They get it from Rev 9:1-11. Interesting that the event in NYC where this buildings got taken out, was the exact place where Alister Crowley summoned number 71. St John of Crete, or also called Fool for Christ saw these opened. Gen Wesley Clark, 7 countries in 5 years. Each country had a gate. When we went into those countries the Christian population was laid waste, taking the protection with it. The removal of the Mass removes much of our protection. We're about to be taken out here to open the gates here. Why traditional orders are being shutdown. Many are in very important locations It's a long story, and took me decades to find all the people and info. But, too much to type. You'd better start praying hard. We're about to be taken out

[@VictoriaLepantoFatima]

We that attended the TLM are the poor and marginalized, in my opinion. I sometimes feel that we are in a constant battle to give the TLM because of convinence or persecution of the hierarchy closing local TLMs. I dislike how there are also many who will push and promote the NO still attending the TLM. Either pick a side because there are definitely two different theologies. One man ceterned and One God centered. 🙏🙏🙏🌹

[@codyj.braunva5406]

Exactly! In fact, it was tradition, history and the Latin Mass that brought me back to the faith.

[@bumponalog5001]

Your future prediction was hopeful, I enjoyed it.

[@bolapromatoqueejogodecampe8718]

The problem with the Novus Ordo is that it lends itself to all kinds of abuse. And even when it is prayed in Latin, facing east, it still is less reverent and spiritual than the Traditional Latin Mass - which is totally God centered and extremely reverent, as it should be.

[@Bobby-xr4bo]

Did the Apostles initiate the Latin Mass?

[@twoody9760]

@@Bobby-xr4bo The apostles said the Mass in Aramaic. It was at least four centuries before the Latin mass became official.

[@Bobby-xr4bo]

@@twoody9760 hi twoody, I was hoping @bolapromatoqueejogodecampe8 would answer since the rad trads talk as if it’s always been used.. it wasn’t until around 1500 that Latin mass became official.. Surely a coincidence that Luther’s Protestantism came in the same century? Surely

[@twoody9760]

@@Bobby-xr4bo There are also many Eastern Rite Churches that part of the Catholic Church and are in unity with the Pope that have legitimate Masses in languages other than Latin.

[@Kepharocks]

Great stuff, Brother!

[@marysisak2359]

I cannot believe I found this post today of all days I was literally thinking about this dilemma all day long. As with the other posts, I agree with you 100% and pray that the restoration is sooner rather than later. I no longer attend mass because the TLM is too far for me to drive to (I am 70). I tried all the NO masses in the area. To me they are nothing more than social gatherings for baby boomers. I refer to them as Catholic/protestant hybrids. I pray copious rosaries everyday, listen to lauds and vespers in the morning and evening and fast. I miss the One, Holy and Apostolic church more than I can describe. The good news is that the Pope and hierarchy have started to show their true colors. It is game on now.

[@bolapromatoqueejogodecampe8718]

What a perfect description you gave of many of the NO masses. And you are so right, it is a relief that the pope and his comrades are showing their true colors - for the average person who does not do a battery of exams yearly, cancer won't be diagnosed and erradicated until it manifests itself. Yes, it can be difficult to go to the NO Mass. However, find one that is not heretical and attend it. It is valid and if we can go, it is a mortal sin not to go. This is the teaching of the Church. God bless.

[@lucaamenta791]

Please fulfill your sunday obligation, if there aren't any NO masses around you that are reverant, you get to be in the presence of christ who is in the eucharist. Fulfilling your sunday obligation is extremely important. God bless.

[@johncollorafi257]

Pray that all may be able to access the full liturgical tradition of the Church, the "Latin Mass," and the many traditional rites of East and West.

[@jarms40]

"... while you are unhinged." So true.

[@rpmgrlca]

I like Taylor Marshall. He's inspiring.

[@DrTaylorMarshall]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@floragreenfield4256]

Dr. Marshall, I am so grateful for the day I found your podcasts. You are a breath of fresh air in this polluted culture, and bring us hope during these troubled times. Pax vobis

[@garyolsen3409]

Being a Traditional Catholic is more than which mass you prefer. It's living a pre conciliar way of life. It's following and believing the teachings and doctrine taught before Vatican II. The council completely changed what Catholics were taught and believed for 1900 yrs. V II documents are full of errors and heresy condemned by pre conciliar popes. True popes.

[@StAlphonsusHasAPosse]

God bless Bishop Strickland

[@RandallvanOosten-ln5wf]

I am an Evangelical that is studying Aquinas' Summa Contra Gentiles with a group of Catholic scholars. Hence, I get updated on the happenings in the Catholic Church. I do know there is a worldwide return to tradition, custom, and religion. The era of "Global Secularism" is coming to an end. Therefore, it seems to me that the TLM is the future. Of course, demographics will play a role in this. He who has the children wins.

[@trevwilliams2138]

THE NOVUS ORDO CANNOT BE “FIXED”. While when done reverently and with a valid consecration, the Novus Oreo IS VALID. But, it WILL ALWAYS BE DEFICIENT.

[@mjl.9-19]

I have only one choice in my area. How do we know if it's "reverent" and where can I find info on that?

[@littlerock5256]

Great book is "Work of Human Hands: A Theological Critique of the Mass of Paul VI."

[@MattArcuri-os3qc]

As a 20 year old revert after leaving the church for many years both indirectly and directly due to a complete liberal and lukewarm Norvus Ordo church…I found a small parish that has TLM outside of the city with a incredibly active following with thriving young families..and I see the two different sides of the church (TLM vs Norvus Ordo) and TLM is absolutely far better in my opinion, the reverence, the actual proof of practice within its attendees…TLM brought me back to Catholicism really no way around it

[@DylanGames1000]

It’s so easy for people talk good about the TLM when they have access to one! I can’t get to one! This isn’t fair😭 So glad you have this prediction idk what I’ll do in an area I don’t have access to it.

[@hillhokan4378]

I"m going to see a latin mass for the first time in my life in 5th january. In my country (Brazil) they are borderline non existent, because when CVII happened, priests here adopted S. Paul VI mass the same year, when in a lot of other countries the decline of the TLM took decades.

[@hillhokan4378]

Thank you brother. God bless you too!@tlm7779

[@missbehavin8673]

Spot on analysis. Christus Vincit!

[@triumphofihm9722]

Amen! I just watched your current video (06/24) about Can they ban the Latin mass and then this one popped up.

[@gerardducharme2146]

Not to say anything bad about anyone lofton and the Gorden brothers yeah they have a lot to say about us traditional Catholics I’m an admirer of Dr. Taylor, Marshall mind you I pray for all the traditionalists and yes Novis Ordo. It will be in time when they see the light God bless

[@Electric_]

It will win in the end, and in the distant future the Church will remember those of us who lived through this tumultuous period.

[@awediomusic2137]

It’s such a shame. I’m in the process of converting to the Church from agnosticism, and among all else I simply yearn for the authentic traditions of the Church, to be connected to that beautiful history. The Novus Ordo seems like an abrupt, forced departure from centuries of gradual evolution. My NO priest today proclaimed that God does not have a plan for humanity, and never has, during Mass to over 100 people in a confession that sounded almost deistic. He then went on to talk about free will and God having a purpose for us etc etc but it just threw me a little. I pray that the worldwide Catholic community starts to rediscover and revel in our true heritage once again.

[@TheCubanMissile-sb8jf]

I’m converting as well and it’s disappointing seeing the TLM being suppressed. When first exploring different churches I went to a NO and it just didn’t feel right. I ended up going into Protestantism. I did more research, discovered the TLM, and came back. This is what I envisioned being Catholic is. The NO liturgy feels cheap and modernist with priests delivering watered down homilies either because this is what the church wants to be, or because they’re too afraid to lose parishioners. Pray for the church. St Athanasius was excommunicated 5 times fighting for tradition. We need strong spiritual fathers like him

[@livingpurgatory3]

The final prophecy of St Francis, In the end times God will send an uncannonically elected Pope to destroy the Church... It goes on to say God's real followers will be called schismatics 😔💔

[@pavelrazamazov2672]

I hope you don’t actually believe what you posted, because it contradicts the teachings of the Catholic Church.

[@livingpurgatory3]

@@pavelrazamazov2672 actually it doesn't AT ALL ‼️‼️ ALL the gates of hell will not prevail against it. That doesn't mean some won't. You may want to research many of the APPROVED apparitions of the BVM. She has very harsh words. Even Our Lady of La Sallette said, Rome WILL LOSE THE FAITH AND BECOME THE SEAT OF THE ANTICHRIST. You may want to learn the faith and not spew propaganda designed to drag souls to hell. MANY SAINTS spoke of these things. Then take a look at Ez9. If the end is supposed to be the most wicked. Explain 2,500 years ago

[@littlerock5256]

@@pavelrazamazov2672 What in that quote contradicts the teachings of the Catholic Church?

[@pavelrazamazov2672]

@@littlerock5256 it goes against the doctrine of indefectibility of the Church. Also there is evidence that this prophecy is falsely attributed to St Francis.

[@littlerock5256]

@@pavelrazamazov2672 A false papal claimant does not go against the indefectibilty of the Church; there were approximately 40 anti-popes prior to Vatican II. That the Church can be destroyed does go against Church teaching. Living Purgatory combined two different quotes from St. Francis and gave an incorrect rendition.

[@tjd8822]

im 17 and i came to the Catholic Church because of my older siblings. Now, i'm going to a novus ordo church, not just novus ordo but very very modern. Even though i think the priest is a great man, i do not feel like it is how its meant to be, but i still go there because of my limited mobility and only church in the area.

[@andrewmiles3378]

Very wise words indeed!

[@wms72]

If the Church bans the TLM, I will attend the ancient Byzantine Divine Liturgy.

[@raisingheartsforheaven]

Exactly!

[@wms72]

I don't use Facebook or social media. But may I suggest that people may be upholding the Novus Ordo on TLM sites because they don't want to trigger more restrictions on the TLM?

[@WineSippingCowboy]

I agree 👍 with much of Dr. Taylor Marshall. I like the Latin Mass. Without it, Catholics will go Lost in Translation, the title from the Sofia Coppola movie 🎥 starring Bill Murray. (I am unsure if Sofia Coppola or Bill Murray are lapsed Catholics. But I do know that his sister is a nun who is devout.) Latin leads to learning languages and other things. That is just the side benefit of the language.

[@kais.1684]

I struggle to understand how Vatican II could be a robber council if it was approved by the Pope.

[@johnfischlein9702]

I can’t leave my parish. I wish I could.

[@andrewrolwes6034]

Another superb and hopeful video! Mr. Lofton seems like the natural choice to take up the mantle of leadership at CM just dropped by Mr. Voris.

[@Malachor8091]

Beware of TLM radicals.

[@erickeegan5999]

Can you do a video on sedevacantism? I really need an informed video as I’m trying to choose between sspx, or sedevacantism…

[@robertryan2542]

☘️

[@Brom2855]

After watching a Latin Mass, and seeing the novus ordo for what it really is--brainchild of the heretic Luther, and fruits of the Jesus-hating freemasons like Wocytla and Bergoglio--yeah, it's not Catholic if it's missing the beautiful Latin Mass. No reason to accept novus ordo. Just a Protestant dumbing down, complete with throwing away repentance and most every mention of how we're unworthy sinner. Grieves Jesus greatly!

[@matthewbell2032]

I wonder why my diocesan Latin mass’s (London, Britain) largest family is 5? Granted this is anecdotal, it says something. My suspicion is because the mass is divided into two groups, one are old timers who came back from NO and new young people and couples who haven’t had time OR that there is still widespread contraception use. What do you think?

[@mcnzefili]

As long as the Holy Spirit is with the Church, nothing can happen to the mass.

[@Robert-fl9co]

Everyone please watch OUR LADY OF GOOD SUCCESS PROPHECIES FOR OUR TIMES.

[@HeiseSays]

Is there a Latin style mass in English?

[@lydiaspencer3192]

Ps. As an evangelical trying to become authentically Catholic I have a hard time with the smoking, drinking, cussing that seems to be prevalent on Catholic podcasts. Putting away vices was first on our list when we came to Christ. Vices and love for Him can’t occupy the same space of the “temple”. Maybe it’s an anti feminist thing to blow smoke in your wife’s face though she’s worked so hard to have a clean home and try to teach children to be wise. Maybe I never tasted any alcohol I thought was worthy of the risk except holy communion. For an alcoholic that might be a problem so glad church teaches all of Christ is in both kinds - bread or wine. Some don’t have perfect faith for the wine when they battle alcoholism.

[@littlerock5256]

What podcasts do this?

[@richardditty5318]

​@@littlerock5256 I'm not sure what he's talking about either. I'm a convert also, and it seems to me that Catholics, even novus ordo ones, tend to have less vices than the average protestant.

[@user-xu3oj4uj5c]

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[@BruceWayne-rb1mb]

So is NFP a sin and against the church teaching? Im not married but would like to know about this and have the correct stance of The Church regarding NFP. Thank you!

[@imisschristendom5293]

Nfp is approved by the church. But some trads think its just birth control

[@rosariograsso1659]

I've been a Catholic all my life, and I'll admit that I am young and am unfamiliar, but not completely ignorant, of most of the terms used in this video. Is the Novus Ordo the Mass that is present after Vatican II said in the vernacular? Because I love the Latin Mass, I find it so beautiful, but I also see the merit of the Novus Ordo (if my understanding of it is correct). I'm not sure what the problem with the Novus Ordo is, and I was wondering what is it?

[@imisschristendom5293]

Novus ordo mass is tge current in the common language

[@Spiritof76Catholic]

Since Traditionis custodes I have been educated on the TLM/NO issues. I go to a Diocese TLM often and prefer it over the NO. I guess I understand the Latin rite so the Latin Mass should be Latin argument. What I’m wondering is are the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches in the vernacular of the people? If they are why can’t we have more of the TLM in the vernacular to make it more appealing?

[@bennygohome4576]

The Latin mass in English is called the English ordinariate. Some church’s have them

[@James-fk2ki]

Why Latin Mass cannot be in vernacular?

[@lydiaspencer3192]

Where do you suggest one go to become a bonafide Catholic. The TLM locally feels strident and still part of NO Catholicism. Bishop is a youngish nice person and actually speaks very well but wish he’d put his foot down about the flagrant immodest clothing. I mean vulgar. Beach town. The NO near my home is sweet but not sure priests are validly consecrated. One was consecrated in 1968. So any suggestions?

[@littlerock5256]

Find a validly ordained priest who offers the pre-1955 Mass and does not name Francis in the Canon.

[@javaman8895]

@@littlerock5256you mean a schismatic priest?

[@littlerock5256]

​@@javaman8895 Define schism.

[@BruceWayne-rb1mb]

Tim Gordon is much more absorbable than Dave. Tim is a traditional Catholic with 7 children and has a traditional stay at home mother.

[@imisschristendom5293]

Yes, I like Tim Gordon

[@pajamaninja2157]

i aint a really a trad cath or anything, I'm just a regular cath. i dont really wanna place myself in this whole what seems like drama, but i think logically speaking if there is a mass the latin rite should have, it should be the latin mass. which shouldnt be demoted. just so yk ive never really been to a latin mass (none in my area)

[@rafecolii]

What's "nfp?"

[@floragreenfield4256]

Natural family planning

[@AlejandroOjedaN]

I was going to say people from Latin America and Africa have a high growth rate, and then I remembered that Latin America is becoming Protestant. I don’t know about Africa though. Is Islam prevailing there? If so, then this prediction is true but I would think it may need a hundred years to become reality. That is, if Jesus doen’t return first of course.

[@edukaeshn]

I always thought of the term "traditional catholic" like bright sun" or "blue sky"... If you are catholic, you are traditional.

[@javaman8895]

7:09 you make some pretty bold assertions about the SSPX and future bishops. Your analysis of the western schism and relating to our present situation is unclear. If I were to use that analogy and your assumption then the legitimate pope would have kept the papacy rather than elect a new one. The Tridentine mass as we know if it does come back will be changed. The mass has changed from the time of the apostles until now. I recommend reading the mass a study of the Roman liturgy by Fr Fortesque or some other book of your choosing. BTW I attend the TLM exclusively and not a NO troll. I am however getting tired of these arguments. Let’s let Jesus calm the storm and trust in Him.

[@Simplydarrell]

The big problem i see is everyone wants the Latin mass but nobody takes the time to teach it or to learn Latin. I see the utility to it being in Latin everywhere because then you don’t have to have masses that are only in Vietnamese but then people also wouldn’t be able to wander into any Catholic Church for the first time and know what’s happening. I don’t get how such an obvious problem with evangelization could not be obvious. The Latin mass has been around since 1570 AD sure it’s old but the Maronite divine liturgy is obviously gonna be older and has been in Arabic since the 4th century; st Charbel was a Maronite. I understand people only know the Roman rite and aren’t super familiar with Byzantine Maronite Syriac etc but if we’re going with what’s oldest then among the Maronite eastern catholic masses or Latin masses the Maronite is going to be older. We aren’t supposed to be dividing up the church. I mean we got 24 different churches all working together and 6 different liturgical rites. It’s going to work out Matthew 16:17-19. If we went far back we would have masses in Greek with Hebrew translators and not ecclesiastical Latin but traditional Latin. The Latin we practice in the church now is different than what they had in the first three centuries. Paul said it best better to say 5 words understood than 10,000 words that are mysteries. If we’re pushing for the Latin mass we need to equally push for education methods for ecclesiastical Latin. I know how to say some prayers in Latin and I attend Latin masses but I didn’t grow up in the church so I’m taking Latin classes. Not everyone has time and patience like I do. We need to make methods to educate people on what’s being said, what’s happening in the mass, teach Latin, and properly catechize people otherwise they’ll just leave the church. If they don’t know what we practice and why that definitely will turn many away.

[@user-qu5ty1vx8b]

It's a common mistake, but the TLM did not originate with Trent in 1570. It was simply *codified* then, but it was already 1,000 years old. For over 1900 years even illiterate peasants attended the Latin Mass, and understood what was happening. You don't need a classics degree to fully understand the Mass - eventually you get it, just like a baby eventually learns the language spoken in his home. And in the meantime, there is a Latin-English missal available in every TLM, so you can read along.

[@Simplydarrell]

@@user-qu5ty1vx8b still younger than the Maronite Church. There were saints in many of the Catholic Churches and I’ve been attending it for a year pretty consistently. Sure there’s the missal but it’s really not as simple as depicted when you don’t have people there with you walking you through it because it’s silent most of the mass. I’m saying there’s an obvious blind spot in the fact that people aren’t learning Latin or being taught what’s going on at the masses. People hardly know their faith in English and are hardly devout in their native language, they’re poorly trained in the faith in English. These types of things are why people who leave the Catholic Church didn’t know it was about Jesus. There should be more guidance.

[@CapitolPilot]

I’m sure you’re aware of Voice of Reason. He’s a eastern rite Catholic. He too continues to bash Taylor Marshal saying all sorts of things that aren’t true about him. This rhetoric isn’t leading anywhere good. I pray that this isn’t going to drive more people away from the church.

[@perfectlambministry777.]

This channel gives good content, but it literally proves Eastern Orthodoxy. The argument that Rome has lost tradition proves Rome has lost the faith. Vatican 1 states that it can not happen, and it's an ecumenical council, so you have to accept it. This whole trad movement just proves Eastern Orthodoxy. I would love to talk to you about this but you won't. I'm up for it.

[@imisschristendom5293]

Please give me a quote from V1. Its not enough to say. V1 says you must quote it. Ive read the vatican 1 documents and, im not sure what your talking about

[@1945yousef]

Fake trads = conservatives novus ordo

[@KW-mz4pn]

You have your opinion and that’s what it is…an opinion! I go the the NO and was healed! Please some of you on KZbin are so toxic. I don’t want to be part of your “group.” I want Christ and the church to heal. Please all of you just stop! I see not one woman in these TLM debates only angry men who do not now our Lord. It’s too much it really is…Ava Maria please pray for us!

[@beatlecristian]

Read about how the Novus Ordo was promulgated by a Freemason with the help of six Protestants. It is offensive to Our Lord. That said, it is valid but is an inferior form of worship.

[@CatholicWisdom]

Amen. This is the truth.

[@crusader2112]

I really want to experience the Latin Mass in my life, but I attend a normal Mass weekly and wouldn’t leave the church. I believe the Church in its current form is sick and needs to be healed. P.S. I know it’s easy to blame “angry young men”, but I Miss Christendom I believe has a family.

[@beatlecristian]

@@crusader2112 The Church was sick in St. Francis’ time and look what he went on to do, granted, this is a time like no other in Church history. God will get us through this.

[@crusader2112]

@@beatlecristian Amen. 🙏🏻

[@CatholicWisdom]

So much tribal bs. Soooo much.

[@nedjabbar2966]

But we need to address the sexual abuse crisis in the SSPX that no one wants to talk about !Church. Militant has reported on it, so let's address this problem!

[@gowerman1]

would you be kind enough to confirm to me that you do not have to be a catholic to be saved if you believe JESUS our LORD died for our sins and was raised from the dead and now sits at the right hand of GOD

[@RafaelCosta-fy7tb]

If it is just that, why st Paul himself was afraid of not being worthy to go to heaven?

[@laurenality]

Simply believing in your head won't get you to heaven. With God's grace you need to be perfected.

[@aaronsomerville2124]

You do have to be Catholic to be saved. Jesus Christ established a Church with sacraments such as baptism, confession and the Holy Eucharist. It says in the Bible that if you do not eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus Christ (the Eucharist) you do not have life.

[@user-qu5ty1vx8b]

No; Jesus gave Peter His authority at Matthew 16:18-19 Go read it. Peter and his successors have the authority to forgive or not forgive sins, and have consistently declared that outside the Catholic CHurch there is no salvation. Jesus founded ONE church, not 40,000 sects.