"The Legacy of BLM, continued" with Thomas Chatterton Williams

My guest today is Thomas Chatterton Williams. Thomas is a great writer whose books include "Losing My Cool" and "Self-Portrait in Black and White", both of which I highly recommend. He is also the host of the podcast "Wrong Think".
Thomas and I talk about a host of subjects here, but we pay special attention to the legacy of the Black Lives Matter movement, and 2020 in particular.
I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did.
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Chapters:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:44 Exploring the Complexity of Expectations and Solidarity Within the Black Community
00:06:08 Unveiling the Taboo: Speaking Truths in Interracial Conversations
00:08:19 Unveiling the Divisions: A Clash of Perspectives on the Impact of Hip Hop Culture
00:10:00 The Power of Perception: Navigating a War Mentality and Shaping Public Image
00:12:58 The Implication of Separate Peoples: Building Trust for a United American Family
00:17:05 The Impact of Social Media and Algorithms on Perceived Racism: Unveiling the Illusion of a Divided World
00:18:16 The Dark Side of Social Media: Exposing the Rise of Racism Porn and Algorithmic Bias
00:22:45 The Impact of the Racial Reckoning: Exploring the Rise in Homicide Rates and Police Defunding
00:26:32 The Devastating Fallout of 2020: Unveiling the Resentments and Catastrophe for Black Americans
00:28:53 The Unintended Consequences of Viewing Everything as a Battle: The Impact on Politics and Affirmative Action
00:30:42 The Moral Hierarchy of America: From Heroin to FentaNYL - Exploring the Racial Ranking and Inherent Racism
00:35:45 Unveiling the Dangers of Hyperawareness: The Perils of Seeing Racism in Every Interaction
00:41:20 Injustice or Overcompensation? The Controversial $11 Million Verdict for Alleged Workplace Racism
00:45:06 The High Cost of Injustice: Is $11 Million Worth More Than a Lifetime of Loss?
00:52:26 The Dangerous Polarization: Unraveling the Fabric of Society
00:55:05 From Seasonal Surprises to Present Perspectives: Challenging Our Tendency to Live in the Moment
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[@ColemanHughesOfficial]

Pre-order my book: "The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America" - bit.ly/48VUw17

[@chordateify]

I agree with you on most things and enjoy your work, the comment plugging your book reminded me of an episode of the THE CRITIC where Jay puts a life-size model of himself that says "Buy my book!" on a loop.

[@samsonsengoonzi8148]

Coleman is the next generation of black intellectuals. I love him

[@brianmeen2158]

Yes but the problem is the way he is seen by the left . For his views he is automatically an uncle T

[@voidandnon-2530]

Sometimes I think of being black as if it was being a franchisee. You've got a brand you need to carry, and if you don't do it right, the other franchisees can get angry. There is one "good" way to run your McDonald's, if you deviate, corporate will come down on you and other locations will spite you for "hurting" the brand.

[@tanks1945]

Lol. There is some truth in that😂

[@jb9041]

Yes, I see collective identities as a prison. Its much tougher to go it alone out in the desert - forge our own identity but hay- You got nothing to lose but your chains!

[@johnandert1611]

I'm a democrat and a liberal. And I truly appreciated this intelligent, thoughtful conversation.

[@williamerdman4888]

YOu need to change your stripes... you and your party is responsible for this mess.

[@lkae4]

Liberalism is dead. You're a Democrat, a progressive and a leftist.

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

I'm a pretty far right guy (so therefore not a Democrat or a Republican) and I also appreciate Coleman's wisdom. Glad we can find some common ground over this insane thing we call the internet 🤝

[@oceania2385]

The legacy lives on in the educational systems, and the state and local governments. On the West coast, you can't get a state grant without continuing DEI training, or finish your PHD in a STEM field without an "adequate" DEI statement. Enforced ideology is the legacy at this point.

[@serpentines6356]

So depressing. Schools simply need to stick to teaching the subjects. Ones activism can be done outside of the school.

[@rajwant04]

Coleman and Thomas C Williams, 2 of the brightest and equally outspoken young men! Awesome! Keep up the good work gentlemen!

[@nmk5003]

This an example of how talk slow and looking into the camera thoughtfully makes ppl think that you are smarter than you really are. lololololol

[@user-lb5go9wd6u]

I do not want to appear ageist but....😁 I am so impressed by the insight and wisdom displayed by these two young men indicative of thoughtful intellectuals twice or three times their age. I believe they are in their twenties. Because they are so young without the advantage of lived experiences of their elders, it indicated how empathetic these young men had to be to arrive at their convictions. I definitely did not at their age. Wow, totally awed by both of their insights and intellect. Made me worry a little less about the future of their generation. Thank you for having this podcast on youtube. I feel privileged to have viewed this podcast.

[@willpower3317]

I had my first “woke corporate” moment the other day. I was pressured into attending a Juneteenth event and then put on the spot to give commentary on a Vox piece that, among other things, compared Emmet Till to George Floyd. I saw my career flash before my eyes haha

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

What industry are you in that this was even remotely relevant to your work?

[@Nick-Salv]

@@goodlookinouthomie1757similar shit happens in mine too… advertising & marketing is incredibly lefty/progressive where most of this comes from. And I’m not saying the left is at fault entirely for these issues, just saying my industry leans heavily into social issues and DEI has had a heavy hand in steering industry & individual company cultures the last three years… and employees are expected to go along with it, sadly

[@willpower3317]

@@goodlookinouthomie1757 benefits

[@mikegray8776]

As an employer, regular lateness (as distinct from the occasional blip) is almost always an indicator of general work attitude. Also, it is not necessarily the number of hours YOU complete, but the fact that the lateness of one person can impact on many other staff or customers or both, in any contact-based business.

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

Ah... but being on time is an attribute of whiteness.

[@mikegray8776]

@@goodlookinouthomie1757 Hahaha!! That said, I wouldn’t advise being late to one of Randall Kennedy’s or Glenn Loury’s lectures - or one of Obama’s many many home construction review meetings.

[@elisaacello592]

Since I found Coleman, I can't get enough. Every podcast I watch is so interesting and refreshing. I love it❤❤❤

[@younameit1407]

Yes white people LOVE to hear black men confirm all their bias it makes you feel super amazing right

[@MonkeyEmpires]

@@younameit1407, You're accusing someone of nurturing biases, while displaying your own.

[@younameit1407]

@@MonkeyEmpires lol what a childish way to ignore what I said.

[@scottmitchell1974]

​@@younameit1407 Why don't you refute Coleman? Why don't you point out where he's wrong? You seem bitter, clinging to your racism and hatred. That's a shame.

[@swcordovaf]

These two….. beyond brilliance

[@tomspaghetti]

Wonderful conversation. Keep'm coming Coleman

[@TessaTickle]

can we soon get over the "I identify as [x]" period? Nobody even knows what that means, even in their own case.

[@brianmeen2158]

I agree and this constant self identifying only seems to Muddy the waters - it is often used as an immediate disqualifier

[@mike2510]

You said something that has been obvious to me for a year or so, and that is why would a white person (against identity politics or affirmative action etc.) hire a black (or a white from the coast) if the employer believes this person is looking at everything from an equity lens. Identify politics makes all groups more polarized. Also, die doesn’t change minds. It forces compliance and makes some victims and others resentful, as the quote “a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still”, goes.

[@brianmeen2158]

Agree. Have you ever looked at discussions amongst blacks that believe in micro aggressions? I have and I hate to say it but hiring that type of person is asking for problems

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

It's to the point that any black employee is a liability. Even if they are themselves a perfectly reasonable non political or conservative person, the risk is always posed that they will be weaponised and "turned" by an ideological HR/DEI department.

[@Jebe_Noyon]

„Just stay TF away from them“ -Scott Adams

[@ryanellis2197]

I love these guys. Completely nuanced and so refreshing. Remind me of a measured version of John McWhorter. We need more of these sane people in the conversation.

[@ellenkvideos]

This was such a refreshing conversation. So many are stuck on the surface and I so appreciate how thoughtful, detailed and logical you both approach issues. Thank you for using your voices. ❤️

[@ElizabethDohertyThomas]

Just got William's book (memoir) and it is AMAZING. Fantastic conversation.

[@jakenovak2556]

Coleman. Your comments on a possible hiring issue for black men we're spot on bud

[@dougmoore5252]

I watch your videos and I am white man age 66 because you are an intelligent person. Am also a Catholic and we see more black folks at Mass this year. I don’t know why but just pleased that more are coming to Mass and we are not trying to be more diverse. Things will change and people will do so for their own reasons. Crime here in Florida, my area is extremely low. I do pick up that it is higher in a neighboring city. I do live in a suburban area, I really don’t how it is in black neighborhoods.

[@jason666king]

The audio was fine, Coleman. Great conversation.

[@bobloblaw3415]

They were talking over each other a bit. I assume the delay that caused it was the audio issue Coleman meant.

[@SingaSlinger]

Be nice to see more of this side of the black community on the breakfast club.

[@elucidator1277]

Breakfast club are racial ideologues and their audience share that dogma. Lest they want to throw away their careers, they will never bring on contrarians like Coleman (unless they put a negative slant on it). sad, but true.

[@brianmeen2158]

So would I but would they even have Coleman or Thomas on their show? I think even if they did that audience would almost immediately classify them As uncle Toms . This is a huge problem

[@SingaSlinger]

@@brianmeen2158 True and sad at the same time that we are only moved, by people who are identified, by gangster pseudonyms. The intellectuals like Sowell, Lowery and so are never mentioned at the naacp image awards. But time has shown me they have too much class for most of the so called black venues anyway.

[@paulakopald4912]

Coleman is so wise and articulates skillfully. He makes his points with clarity but never disrespectful of other opinions. He skillfully restates the opposing view and then punches holes in commonly held beliefs. The political dynamics since 2020 have been harmful to the black community.

[@lorileifer613]

Wow such great questions being asked here!! Super interesting. Thanks guys 👏🙏

[@LouisGedo]

SHARED

[@davidnefesh]

Thanks Coleman - and Thomas - for yet another intelligent conversation!

[@onepartyroule]

Coleman, I'm going to pray for your allergies. I'm not religious but a long shot is better than no shot at all This felt like a very open and constructive convo; another interesting one, thanks.

[@younameit1407]

😂 that's called prolonged cocaine usage.

[@rhys5567]

I am analytical and dyslexic. I get called autistic all the time. I didnt know it was insulting. I thought I'm just unusual.

[@williamerdman4888]

You're GREAT... God bless you.

[@katiebee2937]

The idea of curating one’s image is an interesting one. Humans a social species, the thing that you think you are hiding; everyone can already see.

[@jb9041]

Right! We're social- we live w ppl we're supposed to get to know. We observe them daily. They scowl: you don't know me. Its baffling. Yes we see things all around. Examples of behavior are everywhere

[@justifiedlife1595]

Gosh, thanks for reminding me, a small change can end up being a big change, I really needed to hear that

[@anniehope8651]

'It turned from heroin to fentanyl'. That is true on so many levels...👏

[@mikegray8776]

Great conversation, guys. A real shame that it was relatively short. This was simultaneously both uplifting and deeply concerning. Elements of profound dread at the racialised excesses of the moment ($11.25m settlement for a difficult employee??), but large doses of optimism from the way both chart a way out of this nadir of colour-blind commonality. Please pick up where you left off this time at some early point in the future!! Great stuff!

[@brianmeen2158]

I agree but do you agree that honestly is the solution here? Do you really expect society(especially whites) to come out and be more honest about their views on gender, race etc etc? I don’t as they are terrified of being called racist or bigoted

[@mikegray8776]

@@brianmeen2158 I think - finally - that threat is now losing whatever power it may once have had .... once you accept that the racist/homophobe label is going to be thrown at you by the usual suspects, whatever contribution you make - you might as be hung for a sheep as a lamb. In the final analysis, honesty, sensibility, and a sense of proportion HAVE to form part of any proposed solution - or you just end up substituting a new set of grievances for the previous ones. Trace it back far enough, and EVERY tribe or group is going to find issues with others - the mark of any sensible civilisation after decades or even centuries have passed is to accept that bad stuff happened, learn the lessons for the future, and move on - especially so in an environment where things were improving all the time. Can't think of a single past example where wallowing in past injustices made present circumstances better.

[@Metaphix]

I will admit I am guilty of feeling that deep political and racial resentment after 2020. The mother who was shot dead in front of her baby for saying "all lives matter" and how it was excused and justified by online leftists comes to mind. They have still never found the killer BTW. Anyways I deeply feel that resentment and I just wanted to say your content makes it subside a bit, the honesty in which you address these problems is so refreshing. You are absolutely right about the wartime thinking and social media too.

[@anthonydavidek4651]

Correction.... They've never even looked for the killer.

[@brianmeen2158]

Mother was shot dead? In 2020? A white mother? Yeah the left really throws gasoline on the fire constantly in the race and gender debate. The right usually defends by being just as toxic and nothing gets solved.

[@Dan16673]

​@@anthonydavidek4651f7cking disgusting

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

All I needed was to learn about Tony Timpa, a white man killed in almost exactly the same circumstances as Floyd (minus the drug addiction and prior violent criminal record) who, no surprises, nobody has ever heard of.

[@deeznutz8320]

​@@anthonydavidek4651They did didn't they? Theyy arrested a black woman for the murder

[@justifiedlife1595]

Wow. It's so good to know most blacks are really more conservative thinking, as far as their morals and values (especially around Hip Hop words),after all, they were the inventor of the most original American music I'm most proud of, Jazz. Motown was amazing too. I admired black people from when I was a child, because they were always so kind to me, and I met many as I grew, that I looked up to and admired during my life, some that really reached out to me and helped me when I was homeless. I've really been dismayed at the latest turn on the take on racism. Do they really want to make an enemy of me? why?

[@younameit1407]

So you think these two guys throwing around opinions without putting forth any data or evidence at all, equates to you now "knowing" how black people think? Let me help you put, black people are just like every other group in the sense that it is filled INDIVIDUALS

[@MoosePeters]

Black people don't, these two frauds are scamming you. They want you to feel comfortable so that you will support this bs and donate or subscribe so they can make money. I bet that Coleman's family don't agree with him and that'll say it all

[@jeremyg591]

Very interesting. I recently took a mental note that it seemed black people would admit to cultural self-setbacks within black groups but would deny it in public and it’s interesting to see it discussed.

[@tanks1945]

What we black people forget is whites and non blacks see our shortcomings but dare not bring these up in front of us.( Black Americans) That's too dangerous.

[@jeremyg591]

@@tanks1945 I feel that black Americans also have a self-perception that other races, specifically whites, hate them and that to openly discuss problems of crime culture and family structure would affirm the hate they get. Like I’m not going to affirm the reasons my enemy (or people I think are my enemy) hate me. I’d rather have him think he’s wrong.

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

What it looks like to me is that many young black people are raised to think the world hates them and that they have no opportunities because whitey will always keep them down. Which is a hugely damaging thing to tell your kids.

[@SortOfEggish]

One of the best ever!

[@ColemanHughesOfficial]

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[@honaybear5286]

Israel does not have America on their side/corner! America is against Israel! Israel is on their own they only have the GOD of the BIBLE on their side!

[@jackiechilds8047]

Every talk you have delicately tip toes around the explicit, absolute black racism. 'black centered' = racist blacks telling whites to STFU. Why is it every 2 hour talk you upload could never happen if you were a poor white man? You went to Barnard College to discuss race? LMAO Uber rich talking to uber rich about the rest of us.

[@brianmeen2158]

Great discussion . I have to admit the current situation is a mess - as far as being optimistic? I don’t even know what our current goal is? We were working in the 70s-90s towards a more color blind society but that is completely gone now. So are we going to hyper focus on race until all groups are satisfied? That will never happen and isn’t realistic

[@brianmeen2158]

As for steps to fix this? Coleman recommended more honesty but I really do not see that working especially when it comes to white speakers. I can’t even get white liberal progressive types to be more honest one on one in private so what are the chances of getting them to be more honest in public? Honestly is the only way forward but the communication pathways are so broken now and half the country is terrified of being called a racist or trans phobe etc .. until they get rid of this fear then we won’t get anywhere

[@SUPER7X]

The reason why her payout was so high was because it was mainly punitive damages, rather than just compensatory damages for the small amount of discrimination she apparently experienced herself.

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

The idea is to nip this kind of thing in the bud and dissuade future transgression because if it became endemic (as some would argue it already is) it would be a serious issue for society.

[@user-lb5go9wd6u]

Regarding the millions awarded for the discrimination case - I would be surprised if the punitive damages were not subject to remittitur because the punitive damages were unreasonably disproportionate to the actual harm. If it's not done by the lower court, the appellate court. For that amount of damages, it would be surprising if the employer did not appeal. The media are not good about reporting on appeals of these cases with outrageously large payouts. Nothing in this post should be construed as legal advice and is solely for informational purposes only. Had to put in the disclaimer because I am an attorney. This was a great podcast because it allowed me a glimpse of what young intellectuals are thinking about on these socially important topics.

[@QIrons]

41:36 someone from New York Times or Huff Post is about to write an article called The Long History of Calling Black People Autistic!

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

🤞

[@kingcondornev]

Good convo

[@homewall744]

Is social media the problem, or just the tool used by people who really never liked one another that much, especially since so many appeal to government force to implement their preferences.

[@1DangerMouse1]

What Coleman Hughes says he hopes people will remember about the year 2020 is brilliant at minute 22:25

[@brianmeen2158]

Brilliant indeed but I’m afraid many are in their own echo chamber that rarely if ever talks about the black Lives lost afterwards .. that’s the other problem - sadly they aren’t listening to people like Coleman

[@lynnpierson4837]

Has this been exported to France belatedly?

[@rufussweeneymd]

This was great

[@emilyann4549]

I'm conservative, and I don't see videos of poor black people doing things "wrong" or negative. I do see a lot of conservative black people and preachers. Also noticed that when I started commenting, "Pray for this person" on negative transgender/ gay pride posts, I stopped seeing those as well.

[@brianmeen2158]

I was wondering where he was seeing those videos too…? I’m guessing Twitter but I don’t go there

[@MonkeyBall2453]

Thomas Chatterton Williams teaches at Bard? Interesting.

[@theknowerandtheknown]

Everything evolves over time and i think racism has evolved too but the Left hasnt realized that yet. Ive said for years that the hangover the left will suffer from from this time will be difficult for them to bare

[@richbirecki]

What is the hangover you believe they will suffer? I personally now despise the left, and think them to be other races, and creators of victim mentality . My personal politics of move from central left, to center right, as merely stating that two parent families yield significantly better results than single-parent families do, earned me the moniker of racist in 2015 and it’s only gotten worse since.

[@TrickyVickey]

As long as someone is donating money to DNC through BLM it will continue.

[@pablorages1241]

A lot of BLM donations went to TRANS organisations

[@ladymary22]

Interesting discussion

[@misterlyle.]

Juries are known to be unpredictable, which is one of the reasons why so many cases will settle without going to trial. If a jury delivers a large sum of money to the plaintiff, the sum may have been determined with consideration of the size of the offending corporation's revenue stream.

[@deal2live]

I hope Twitter can fix this problem. Fixing it so that the platform does not have a view point and the algorithm is changed not to appeal to our worst users or our worst inclinations!

[@mossdelvoy587]

Coleman: Where can I get a shirt like yours?

[@stewstudboy]

I’m a huge Coleman fan but when he says, “prior to 2013 and blm a cop could do just about anything and get away with it.” Is so stupidly inaccurate it makes me cringe

[@mikegray8776]

I think he said, prior to 2013 - and the arrival of BLM.

[@geekylove3603]

Hi Donut. Do you know the rates of police officer convicted for violence against the public before 2013?

[@explrr22]

I both agree with the general direction of Coleman's statement, but also think it's overly generalized and a bit hyperbolic. There's long been a bias in evaluations of accusations against police, as well as protective barriers in the form of some the agency and union institutions. The abuses as well as the biases and barriers had already been reduced in many places, since I was a young person in the 1960-1980s. Abuses were and probably will always remain a problem to some degree, but improvements have occurred and the movement did inspire new efforts... Along with some questionable and reckless assumptions and efforts.

[@mjanny6330]

@geekylove3603 start convicting people for doing their job and of course it'll rise lol.

[@brianmeen2158]

It is largely true though. Many cops did get away from doing terrible things on the job. Some got punished but not nearly enough

[@ninagohlsson6053]

33:33 These are similar concerns to those made after the #metoo movement: why risk hiring/mentoring a young woman who might turn around and accuse you (in social media or through the legal system) of wrongdoing.

[@thomaswarrick373]

I think often about how bizzare the time is. The term All Lives Matter is now coded as Far Right Racism to most of the population. I appreciate conversations like this one. It is unfortunate so few are willing to talk about how chaotic the year was, which means no healing.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

Uhhh i understand there were differences but obviously France had lots of slaves of their own.. the way he framed that comment on slavery made it sound as if that wasn't also a big part of Frances history and Empire.

[@tulip5210]

28:18 i'll add one to the resentments, at the time of the BLM protests of 2020 there was this very frightening social pressure where people who just minded their own business where being forced to take a side or to be completely condemned by society. For me, I need to truly understand something to join it, and I was not allowed that if I even questioned it I would be shunned when I just genuinely need understanding. I don't jump band wagons. I felt such a resentment for that repression of authenticity that 2 years later ended up going down a rabbit hole of anti-wokeness bc I was so tired of feeling this way.

[@thietrickster1824]

It's always racism of the gaps regarding unknown motivations.

[@Apriluser]

No need to use the “f” word. Detracts from a good and honest discussion.

[@williamerdman4888]

Man, do I agree with that.

[@Bob-sd8ns]

You are free to go elsewhere if it bothers you

[@crowhouse4778]

I see the comments about mentorship a lot on LinkedIn. LinkedIn would be naturally skewed towards people who are in a professional career, or who would like to be, and who in all probability have at least a college degree and maybe more than one. So it's a particular kind of conversation. Definitely the D'Angelo conversation. It's also fascinating to see how much, as a consequence, it's dominated by things like microaggressions rather than over economic structures that you might hear about in a different social or work setting. The struggle at the professional level seems to be more about finding increasingly more nuanced evidence of discrimination since the macro metrics would be hard to justify. But I have heard many especially black women complain about the lack of mentors available to them in a company. To them that is evidence of systemic racism. On the other hand, these are the same people who call out any attempts to modify their approach as being an example of racist microaggressions. So what would a mentor do? Unless the mentor is just basically saying hey, you do you, then he or she would be accused of being racist and possibly also sexist. I think both of those things exist. I think they also can play out both consciously and unconsciously in our interactions. But also, you can't ask for something that you were continuously rejecting and then call those sides of it evidence that you're right. What I observe, as a mixed person who has a foot in both worlds, is that the current politics have put white people in a position of no winning. Even if they are strident allies, somehow that's an appropriation move and trying to steal the limelight. But if they don't speak out enough, then it's evidence that they're not really being authentic in their alliyship but are just performative. I mean, we've left people nowhere to go except just under the stamp of original sin. Most people are not going to live with that.

[@Astarkiller]

That’s called racism to see blacks and assume political affiliation but it is rare to see a black person who doesn’t vote with his demographic and of the same political orientation. Everyone on the right knows the black community is more diverse and conservative then Coleman and others but not diverse politically.

[@deal2live]

You can not build or solve a problem based on wrong analysis.

[@jshays007]

00:04:00 ... The tern he is looking for is Logical Fallacy.

[@searose6192]

People don't need "algorithmicly boosted" sense of the violence and destruction in our streets.....all they have to do is spend time in the city...it's very apparent everywhere.

[@nileshkhan6966]

allLivesMatter!

[@albertusagterberg6093]

Black Luxury Merchant

[@JoseVasquez-sp6kc]

Hey Coleman. Did you mean 1968?

[@williamerdman4888]

I caught that too, but 67" Summer of Love is perhaps what he was referring to.

[@JoseVasquez-sp6kc]

@@williamerdman4888 oh. Ok. I always thought summer of love was 69'. I thought he was referring to Tet, the assassinations and the DNC convention in Chicago

[@jamiehoran3901]

Good stuff from both of you. Lots of general thoughts on racial misconceptions, and some specifics, too. Specificity is vital when describing social ills, especially those involving race. Much more is gained in conversations like these, when the risks associated with specificity are taken than when specifics are internally avoided. The word, "people" for example, does nothing to propel an argument. What people? Even with the opening proposition regarding heterodoxy in the political thoughts of blacks. Here, Thomas uses the word "People" having difficulty seeing this in blacks, but have no problem seeing it as normal in whites. What people? The people in his class? People in general? White people? Black people? Who?

[@lynnpierson4837]

I demand another conversation with these two thoughtful people discussing the recent SCOTUS decisions. Please.

[@EchoBravo370]

Coleman, what race was the person who asked you if you identify as Black?

[@searose6192]

Wow, that is some seriously evil duplicity Coleman outlines there at the beginning. It is sociopathic and frankly, shockingly, conspiratorial to collectively admit horrible truths among your own group about yourselves, but turn around and flat out lie, deceive etc to everyone else. And then, though you didn't mention this part, if anyone else ponts out those truths you string them up and force society to slander them as evil racists...That is just so sick. I am deeply repulsed by such evil behavior.

[@Astarkiller]

Why would the supervisor ok these hires if he was racist or if he didn’t have a say in the hire why didn’t he do all he could do to get this person fired with false complaints or even false claims he didn’t make. Also he works with other black employees but doesn’t refer to them as lazy even if they are saying the other coworker is autistic.

[@AnonymousC-lm6tc]

I don’t support BLM and never have nor do I attribute George Floyd’s murder to racism. However, I am curious as to what your thoughts are concerning the recent DOJ report indicting the Minneapolis police department on several instances of racism or discriminatory practices? And will you cover it on a segment of your show? Thanks!

[@cathyharrison5141]

It would be helpful if people of every race would call out those individuals or behaviors which are not acceptable. It doesn’t vilify the entire race to say criminality and antisocial behavior among some needs to be curtailed.

[@Kaleiddmode]

The sniffing 😖

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

Coleman's point about hidden resentment is very well made. I'm a white guy who grew up in the Fresh Prince 1990s during which it felt as though we were making huge progress and then we had a man of colour as the president, which I was very supportive of. Now it seems none of that matters and I find myself as a white man treated like a second class citizen in the eyes of popular culture, media and politics. I have found myself pushed further toward conservative politics and, yes, I'll say it... White nationalism. I'm thinking things I never would have 15 years ago. Especially after the BLM movement, which I saw as a big lie from the start and has been proven more recently with the exposed grifting of it's leaders. What is called racial justice looks a lot like racial vengeance and what else can I do but defend myself?

[@ewardprince4342]

Black is a color it is not a nationality it is not a race it is a color , once they wake up and realize who they are and what they are then they will take their rightful place in this world .

[@tam1641]

And what is white ?

[@manchasdos]

I'm not on Twitter myself so I'm just genuinely curious, is it that hard to avoid random videos of violent or racist stuff on twitter? When youtube recommends me things I'm not interested in I just click on not interested or don't recommend channel.

[@LoveJungle420]

The idea that the pandemic had nothing to do with the increased homicide in 2020 is just dishonest Coleman! You mean to tell me that the increased poverty and desperation and anxiety caused by the pandemic had nothing to do with increased homicide? It's like you've completely ruled psychology and sociology out of the equation and only refer to pew research polls. He said it was disproportionate in the black community, well the black community is disproportionately poor. Clearly this man grew up privileged, otherwise this would be obvious.

[@lorileifer613]

Thomas, that’s VERY generous of you (at 3:51)! I think it’s about convenience. Bc when we blanket-categorize entire groups of people (even if it’s the “right” category) we are still being racist. Turns out it takes effort to have nuance and there’s no convenient path out of our racist past! Lol. That’s just me tho… maybe I’m being less generous than you.

[@yungteach]

@Coleman Hughes there's no such thing as "white people"-look at our skin, it's a motley of tones. I'm pink when i've been in the sun too long, and i'm purple when i'm freezing cold. Best you could do is refer to everyone else as 'non-black people'.

[@whiskeytuesday]

Maybe it's just one of my inherent white failures but I can't understand what people even mean when they say twitter is worse since Elon took over.

[@lorileifer613]

But Coleman, why do you contribute it to the (failed) racial reckoning and not also the Corporate Welfare economy collapsing?

[@Astarkiller]

If black ppl are conservative why do they vote democrat who is fooling them and no excuse not to do the work is gonna fly.

[@explrr22]

Although I liked and appreciated this conversation... I want to push back again on Coleman's assertion that increase in homicide was driven mostly by BLM. I suppose it could be partially, but a similar rise also occurred in my City of Milwaukee, with most of rise repoterdly coming from intense animosity developing between online cliques of young people, and then turning into violence when meeting in person.... And of course this is made more deadly because of wide avaibilty, possession, and popularity of guns. I don't see how things like that are substantially connected to BLM. There are just so many compounding and differenciating factors between USA population social and physical environment, that i think the comparison between other parts of world during pandemic... doesn't demonstrate anything convincingly.

[@pablorages1241]

BLM - Bigoted Lazy Mistake

[@UristMcFarmer]

About an employee being late 47 times in four months. Not having access to their employee handbook it's hard to make a call on if that is a legitimate reason for termination. For example if someone was often late, but not too late, and got all their hours in, it may be acceptable to let the tardiness slide rather than go through the headache of hiring and training a replacement. That being said, if there's a policy of terminating employment for someone who is inordinately tardy, it's going to have been waay before 47 times and 4 months. She absolutely was not terminated for tardiness.

[@mikegray8776]

As an employer, regular lateness (as distinct from the occasional blip) is almost always an indicator of general work attitude. Of these attitudinal issues, clearly the easiest one to cite and quantify is timekeeping. “Being difficult” is far more disruptive, but almost impossible to measure. Also, the nub of the problem is not necessarily the number of hours YOU complete, but the fact that the lateness of one person can impact on many other staff or customers or both, in any contact-based business - which, if unaddressed, can lead to real motivational problems in an entire department/company.

[@richbirecki]

That’s absolute BS, if you’re late 47 times in 10 months, that is a fireable offense, and everybody knows it .

[@rupeoverlay3153]

If you actually look at the case her lawyers successfully argued that other employees were equally tardy, including the one she complained about racially abusing people, without repercussions

[@miroirs-jumeaux]

That's not an opinion you can have.

[@redrufuss]

Coleman, pls stop snorting into mic while your guest is talking.

[@scottmitchell1974]

You can say blacks have diverse viewpoints until Election Day.

[@abigailowens4290]

Can you cut out the sniffles

[@axebattler6604]

So black people are not committing crimes ar a rate wildly out of proportion to their % of the population? How exactly are those videos misrepresenting the problem of black crime?

[@younameit1407]

Coleman, your nasal passages are begging you to leave the cocaine alone, a few times throughout this video i could have swore you were doing actual lines during the interview.

[@geekylove3603]

Maybe he has hay-fever or a cold? I really do not think he is on cocaine.

[@explrr22]

Yeah, when I was around his age and younger I had allergies and sinus damage that produced much worse consequences. I could mildly control it with medication, but those altered my psych and physiology such that many who didn't know me just assumed I had a drug problem... Which in a way I did. So a lesser case could definitely produce some of what you're objecting too. Just don't assume it's easily avoidable... See if you can get over and just focus on the message and content rather than superficial aspects that make some people less attractive. Maybe it's near impossible for you, but maybe not...

[@younameit1407]

@explrr22 I have been watching Coleman for years, I have read his book, I agree and disagree with alot of his opinions. I also have been around enough cokeheads to know what's happening in this video and other videos he has posted. You can go back 6 months and hear the same sniffling and humming. John McWhorter who is honestly the last person I would suspect of using cocaine had admitted having a cocaine problem that has followed him well into his 50's, so don't be so naive.

[@explrr22]

@@younameit1407 You may be right. Perhaps you're noticing something subtle that differentiates his presentation... All I can tell you that many people were certain I had a similar problem, and though I did occasionally use some questionable altering substances then.. I never touched anything that I would ingest through sinuses, as my sinuses were already around the calendar disaster! 🙃

[@natedoherty3462]

I didn't know Coleman was black. I thought he was Coleman

[@oo7tease]

Gentlemen...what an absolute pleasure , listenig to you what like taking a sedative...not for the CONTENT , but mutual altruistic respect fo rthe other..you both give off Shao lin calm zen, aaaa just beautiful energy s well doneabsolute pleasure , listenig to you what like taking a sedative...not for the CONTENT , but mutual altruistic respect fo rthe other..you both give off Shao lin calm zen, aaaa just beautiful energy . Thank you so much for your wisdom an kind softly sofly way. ..you both shoul have a mix with Lex Friedman,, intellecrual heroin

[@psychbomb7543]

Coleman is black.

[@AnonymousC-lm6tc]

I don’t support BLM and never have nor do I attribute George Floyd’s murder to racism. However, I am curious as to what your thoughts are concerning the recent DOJ report indicting the Minneapolis police department on several instances of racism or discriminatory practices? And will you cover it on a segment of your show? Thanks!