BLM: The Revolution Will Not Be Criticized with Zac Kriegman

My guest today is Zac Kriegman. Zac was a director of data science at Thomson Reuters before he got fired for posting a fact-based criticism of Black Lives Matter in an internal memo. This is one of the worst examples of Cancel Culture and enforced orthodoxy around the issue of race that I've seen in a while. Zac was fired for pointing to research by Roland Fryer who I just had on the podcast, and others, which showed that there was no anti-black bias in police shootings as well as that DOJ investigations into police departments in certain cases caused an increase in homicides due to the police pulling back.
Now as a director of data science at a major media company that has a respected fact-checking wing, part of Zac's job was to ensure that Thomson Reuters was using data accurately and he got fired for doing exactly that. Now he's suing Reuters for wrongful termination. In the meantime, Zac has a substack, where he has posted the memo which got him fired, as well as some other essays. You should definitely go check that out.
In this conversation, we talk about the circumstances surrounding his firing and we primarily speak on the substantive issue of BLM and the effect it has had on policing and crime.
I really enjoyed this conversation and I hope you do too.
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[@naivejeffersonian]

Coleman's mic is mixed SUPER low compared to Zac's. We love your voice, (in every sense of the word) Coleman. Crank it up.

[@jaashuab]

Microphones are systemically racist

[@manaloola2018]

Yes, even with my headphones I can hardly hear him

[@hankhillsdisappointedsigh]

And the intro music is like 10db louder than everything.. smashed into my eardrums. Come on Coleman you make music, sort it! lol

[@MrYishaiShields]

Also I don't think it would be crazy for Colman to ship his guests a decent mic with a shipping box back.

[@parkerhodgson4785]

Yes, please work on the levels before you put something up.

[@bbtfan7957]

NO PERSON or MOVEMENT should be above criticism.

[@MrTee12]

True...but people generally worship others. Especially public figures. As soon as there is any comment with an opposing view you will hear people respond with Hate and Name-calling.

[@rosemaryalles6043]

Brilliant conversation. My heart aches at the distortion of facts. How can a democracy survive on intentional deception? Thank you Coleman.

[@ThatNorwegianGuy-]

Democracy is doomed to fail either way. It's the tyranny of majority rule.. We were meant to live in small tribes with a limited number of people who share the same fundamental values and goals for the tribe, each person contributing in their own way to reach those goals. In a small community like that there is no crime, because any crime committed is only hurting yourself in the process. The relationships and the bonds between the group are a necessity for survival itself, to betray those would be to betray your own chances for survival. You become a different human being in a small tribe, a better human being. And you're in a sense kept in check by the fear of being shunned and outcast and potentially ostracized from the tribe.

[@anotherpointofview222]

Distortion of facts and deception is not new relative to government and governing. There is a long history. It seems new to a new generation. It's how it's being applied and by who that seems to have made it popular in combatting certain narratives.

[@nicolazahorak1711]

Coleman is a fantastic interviewer. Not just great questions, but also that he allows his guests to speak. One of the few podcasts which is relaxing to listen to, allowing the ideas to sink in, while being educational, stimulating and thought-provoking. Brilliant!

[@alanmetea9865]

He’s fantastic. Measured, thoughtful, and intelligent. He listens, digests, and gently steers the conversation towards meaningful analysis. He’s single-handedly causing me to rethink any negative presumptions I had about his generation.

[@galaxytrio]

Zac is a brilliant and decent guy. How charming, naive, and heartbreaking that he thought it would help if he explained the issue to senior management. Our culture can't correct itself if warnings from people like Zac get them cancelled.

[@danilopompey754]

Zac clearly misses the point of BLM, which is Black Lives Matter, too. For instance, the fact is BLM advocates that White police need to be held accountable just like anyone else who murders an unarmed person, Black or White. Ironically though, here’s a rhetorical question for you. Who benefited most from the Civil Rights Act of 1964? White women. So, if BLM succeeds in holding White cops accountable for murdering unarmed Black citizens, who will benefit most? White citizens because in raw numbers White cops murder more unarmed White citizens without being held accountable. (After all, what happens to Black cops who murder unarmed White citizens? They go straight to jail, which is why Black cops are not out running amok killing White citizens like White cops are murdering Black citizens. Why? Because it wouldn't be tolerated. After all, White lives matter.)

[@laurelvanwilligen9787]

Yeah, that part where he said, "Well, I though maybe they didn't know about it. They have so much to do." Haha. Their Twitter feeds, monitoring their stock portfolio, hitting the links....

[@julienARcalifornia]

Please release the video again with the sound equalized - the treble on your guest’s voice are so high it’s painful to listen to.

[@bryanmurray2723]

Great conversation. Hats off to you Zac for taking a principled stand at Reuters despite the risks.

[@otisjacksonjunior9795]

I was fired by Thomson Reuters too, for reasons that were unlawful and unethical in my opinion. I commenced litigation against the company and we reached a settlement. I worked in Analytical Content Operations -- Information Management and Production, in their Legal products division. Ironically, my editorial portfolio was largely focused on labor and employment law. We even had a law library on the floor that my office was on, which I utilized in my spare time as well as for work. Thankfully, my best friend happened to be a lawyer at the time. Anyway, just a coincidence.

[@FiremarshalM1]

Glad your suit was successful

[@SirVis2011]

Courage mixed with honesty is such a rare thing in America. These two men are a great example.

[@Grappapappa]

This was a great conversation! The facts and logic is just so seemingly obvious that it is truly amazing how their views could be considered crazy.

[@danilopompey754]

Zac clearly misses the point of BLM, which is Black Lives Matter, too. For instance, the fact is BLM advocates that White police need to be held accountable just like anyone else who murders an unarmed person, Black or White. Ironically though, here’s a rhetorical question for you. Who benefited most from the Civil Rights Act of 1964? White women. So, if BLM succeeds in holding White cops accountable for murdering unarmed Black citizens, who will benefit most? White citizens because in raw numbers White cops murder more unarmed White citizens without being held accountable. (After all, what happens to Black cops who murder unarmed White citizens? They go straight to jail, which is why Black cops are not out running amok killing White citizens like White cops are murdering Black citizens. Why? Because it wouldn't be tolerated. After all, White lives matter.)

[@davidanderson9664]

Love these podcasts. We can sit in our loungerooms and hear two fantastically intelligent people have a decent talk like this. Coleman never disappoints and Zac has an excellent argument. Thx! D.A., J.D., NYC

[@redvitaminblue]

Data isn't enough to convince others of truth. Stories, narratives, and appeals to cultural mythology are what determines reality for most people. That's something empirically minded people have to understand and learn to integrate into how they communicate data with others. It's heavy lifting, but relying on widely available data alone isn't getting the job done. Clearly.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

I guess my comment got deleted. I was saying that how many videos of bleep thugs murdering innocents or committing hate crimes against Asians or playing the knockout game will change people's minds, or do they already know what the truth is and that's why they fight so hard not to believe it?

[@purdysanchez]

The ethnicity of people committing random acts of interracial violence is overwhelmingly one group. This is why, not only are those videos banned by news and social media, they go above and beyond to reverse the script in the name of "equity".

[@baigandinel7956]

The revolutionaries desperately yearn for segregationist America to be true, because their goal is to get people good and agitated. They see the 1960s as a missed opportunity because we stopped well short of Marxism. Facts are an inconvenience.

[@lelandbjerg1187]

I agree, but what do we do when our cultural mythology has shifted so far away from valuing rationalism?

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

@@Time_to_Stop_Animal_Abuse The double standards never end with leftists.

[@danboyd6180]

Coleman, we LOVE your relaxing tone and style BUUUUT..... TURN UP YOUR VOLUME at least as high as the guest

[@Appleblade]

So... if Reuters would fire a fact checking guy who simply presented a study to the decision makers, how much trust do you have in how Reuters presents news in general... especially when the easiest form of "misinformation" is to leave information out of the news?

[@BradfordHills]

I love Colman, and this was a great podcast. But at times , I think Coleman was twisting himself into a pretzel to try to understand why it is that Force might understandably be used more often with black suspects versus white suspects. It's not solely the case that blacks are disproportionately involved in serious gun felonies like robbery and murder, there's much more violence within the Black culture in general. I grew up in a multicultural environment attending the New York City public schools that were predominantly black and Hispanic. Black students engaged in much more violence than Asian students Jewish students. Black suspects tend to resist arrest to a much greater degree and engage in verbal threats more often. I'm sure force is more often used with Americans of Irish background than those of Jewish heritage. ( PS I' have a big size of Irish) I'm a anti-racist who marched against the clan and believes in multiracial unity.

[@VelkePivo]

The truth of that is patently obvious to anyone willing to see it. Well, and the setting to witness it. You’re not going to see it on an Ivy League campus

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

It just goes to show that Coleman is still very much under the censorship edicts of the woke left that this truth won't escape his lips (if it even occurs to him). I know the truth of what you say from experience also, having grown up in a mixed "diverse" community. The fact of higher testosterone in young black men also can't be ignored, but if you bring that up you are categorically in the camp of racists like Charles Murray and David Duke. Cops don't have the luxury to be racists anymore with body cameras and the intense scrutiny they are under, but the narrative of racist cops murdering blacks at "genocidal" levels continues to be spread by the lying media and DNC.

[@BradfordHills]

@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 👍

[@HonestDogAL]

Thomas Sowell has a fascinating book on that topic : kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2rdl3Vsgtt8Z68

[@HonestDogAL]

Here a nice little synopsis of Sowell's book. kzbin.info/www/bejne/apaakmSeg79qd6s

[@evanmichael3387]

Great conversation. Did anyone else feel the volume was quite low on this episode? It'd be nice to know if it is the podcast or my computer.

[@55archduke]

Coleman's voice was low, Zac's was better, but yes, sound was funny

[@stvbrsn]

Coleman too low. Zac louder but tinny. Music at the intro? Much too loud after having cranked up Coleman’s teaser!

[@RaefonB]

Glad it wasn't just me. Same as @stvbrsn, I cranked up the volume because Coleman started off real quiet and then got blasted by the intro music lol! Zac was much louder at times, easy to hear, but even at full volume on my laptop and the video, I was straining to hear Coleman.

[@Liisa3139]

Volume VERY LOW, which made the ads blast extremely loud. Horrible.

[@supernumiphone7258]

Yes I wanted to shout "LEVELS!" Decided to download rather than watch on YT so I can bring the volume up higher.

[@dfwherbie8814]

Growing up in NYC, during stop and frisk, I would routinely get harassed by the cops; stopped while on my way to school or to the barbershop; called a n-word while being patted down and threatened to go to the precinct, etc. Common occurence, to be honest. Granted, I do acknowledge that this also has a class component to it. I still live in NYC, but now live in a very nice, expensive neighborhood, so I never get this treatment anymore. Cops are more likely to greet me with “good afternoon,” then to call me the n-word. Nevertheless, in the inner-cities, there is a problem of racism being directed towards poor and working-class black folks, specifically toward black men. I’m not sure how this can be quantified, but it exists. Is there actually an overall issue with policing, though? I can only go by my experience, and I’ve never known anyone who got arrested that didn’t deserve to be arrested. But that’s anecdotal, I suppose.

[@narendra62]

2 truisms. Black men are disproportionately involved in crime. And police are supposed to lower criminal activities. So to me it's no surprise police target young black men. The people to blame are the young black criminals.

[@koalanectar9382]

Fantastic conversation. Quick technical critique: Please normalize your audio! Your voice sounds nice because of the nice microphone, but it's much too low volume-wise compared to the guest. And then when youtube decides to play an ad, the volume is ten times louder than the podcast and I have to scramble for the volume knob. Just a minor constructive criticism from a big fan!

[@lonemoderate9471]

Wonderful conversation, love listening to a Coleman podcast. When the "Great Awokening" happened in 2020, I remember reading a series of articles in The Atlantic by Conor Friedersdorf on this very same subject (police violence against African Americans). I would love to see a conversation between Coleman and Conor...

[@starczarar]

When Kyle Rittenhouse was found not guilty some commentators on NPR said, "If he was black he would have been found guilty," the implication being that a black person would have been found guilty because of racism. In other words, he would not have gotten a just verdict because of racism. In other words, this was a just verdict.

[@SunKou7]

Or, this was an unjust verdict, Rittenhouse got a free pass because he was white, but if he was black he wouldn't have. I'm not commenting on Rittenhouse. And it does sound like those commentators didn't think through all the logical scenarios of what they were saying. Just wanted to point that your logic here is flawed.

[@starczarar]

@@SunKou7 So by saying, "if he was black he would have been found guilty," people weren't saying that the court would have delivered an unjust verdict on a black suspect due to racism, they were actually saying that a black defendant would have gotten a just verdict - guilty? That's hard to believe but you're right, that's a possible interpretation as well.

[@aggnal2892]

So it seems racism has a place in the discussion even if this was about white people killing other white people. We gotta keep systemic racism and racism relevant through speculation?

[@fastasashark6988]

I read it as the NPR commentators as judges would have convicted any black person of the crime solely based on race.

[@lldadb664]

Thanks for the conversation! I would love to see this revisited in more of a debate form with folks on a different side of the issue.

[@Marco-tb9jy]

Coleman I love your work but to me it's an issue that the majority of your guests sound like they're recorded from zoom

[@tomcotter4299]

Better audio quality is the #1 thing a creator can do to up their production value.

[@TriteNight1218]

@@tomcotter4299 yep. It’s more important than video quality. Coleman should get another mic setup that he ships to his guests before the interview. Even a cheap usb mic would sound better than a computer or phone mic.

[@Marco-tb9jy]

@@TriteNight1218 I think I remember Sam Harris saying he does that

[@Shoutinthewind]

FYI Everyone Rittenhouse shot was attacking him

[@homewall744]

Some groups do seem to be more mouthy towards police and more likely to run or resist, which will result in more "touching."

[@galaxytrio]

Any chance of remixing this so Coleman's audio is not so much lower than Zac's, the startling loud intro theme and the ads?

[@transfiguration8865]

I think one of his last points is one of the best:,how are you expecting to lift up a part of society, by grooming them into thinking that all of society hates them and the deck is stacked against them?

[@RunBayou]

Police need to start by looking at themselves. It's not like people hate them for no good reason. They protect and serve the rich and powerful, not their neighbors

[@jumbo4billion]

There is no intention to lift anyone up. The whole point is sowing discontent.

[@shinyguy1]

If you could include links for the studies in the description or pinned comment would be amazing

[@danielclark6532]

Yes. This lack of documentation on some many videos is frustrating.

[@andrewfox368]

Audio for this, as others have said, is wildly inconsistent. If you don’t already have an audio team fixing these up, I’d gladly do it for you. Huge fan.

[@tmcthree]

The volume is all over the place

[@rocktheclock240]

Mr. Coleman, I've discovered your channel only a couple days ago. Very interesting. The subject here hits home. I was fired as a librarian (after 9 years of good service) for arguing at a list-serve against the American Library Association's solicitation of librarians to join Black Lives Matter. My basic argument was that libraries must stay neutral (there is a movement in the library world called "critical librarianship," wherein librarians are encouraged to be prejudicial activists for the Righteous Causes). My entire story is online at The Underground Library Free Thinkers Association. I'm currently working on some videos that I'm going to post at an upcoming new You Tube channel wherein I'll detail how today's American libraries are becoming censorial organizations. Thanks for what you do.

[@dgh5760]

People gotta keep suing for wrongful dismissal. Hit companies in the pocket book if you want them to change. Money still talks. I take his point that it is hard to go after companies due to cost of legal assistance. Maybe we can start a fund?

[@fluffymcdeath]

19:45 - it's actually worse than that... the media would say that Kyle shot three Black Lives Matter protesters thus (quite possibly deliberately) leaving people with the impression that the people Kyle shot were actually black. The most egregious case I heard about which leaves me thinking that, at least in this case, the word play was not innocent but intended to convey a particular impression was the incident in Seattle where a black man driving a jag somehow found himself on a closed section of highway and accidentally drive into a protest causing fatal injuries to a white woman in that crowd. The headline I remember read "White car kills Black Lives Matter protester".

[@playnejayne5550]

The first headlines are what people remember. Emotions sear that particular narrative into the memory. Information that trickles out over time is explained away or disregarded. How many events fit this racialized narrative, going back to Trayvon Martin and further? The first story is the one that sticks and our news media know that.

[@mcsoja]

Colemans voice volume is super low. Im at work with Apple earbuds and can barely hear when he talks. Pretty sure I'm not gonna make it thru the whole podcast without giving up cuzz of this issue

[@vicpso1]

Great conversation ! A refreshing wave of truth to wash away projection (er psychosis) and gaslighting!

[@annikamin1637]

Thanks so much for having the courage to have and post this interview.

[@tylerhoward1075]

Loved the conversation but this is the second video recently where I can barely hear coleman but no problem hearing the guest.

[@corsairdipthong3874]

PLEASE adjust the sound levels in your podcast! Coleman's mic is low, so I turned up the volume. Then the guest started talking and his mic is at a higher volume. It's uncomfortably louder. Then the podcast segue music comes on BLARINGLY loud! Painfully so.

[@WisdomFoundry814]

The integrity of Zac is to be admired and emulated. We’ll done sir.

[@clifb.3521]

great interview // my only criticism is the tinny quality of the Zac Kriegman audio & the two disparate audio levels // i hope he wins his suit against the Rueters of it all

[@luckystarship2275]

Is there any chance that you could post a shorter, edited version of this conversation for those of us with limited free time? I'm really interested in everything you post, but I don't have nearly 2 hours to spare at the moment.

[@ilcuzzo12]

Could it be that black some kids, having a negative predisposition towards police, are more likely to be uncooperative? And that possibility could lead to a greater likelihood of physical confrontation?

[@icemancometh74]

That´s what I was thinking. I've seen a bunch of videos of black people freaking out about completely legitimate police interventions, convinced that they are being pulled over for "driving while black"

[@ilcuzzo12]

I only mean to suggest that negative perceptions could be part of it. I understand that there are some legitimate reasons why those negative feelings towards the police exist. Though, that is a complex situation in and of itself.

[@pebbypoo]

That is obvious, but can't be quantified.

[@tombrothers9456]

Run the audio track thru audio compression, it’ll auto level the entire thing so we don’t have volume issues

[@yhli2539]

Is it just me or did anyone else have trouble understanding Zac's statistical analysis around 28:00 through about 29:06? I think I get what he is saying but I feel like he said black when he meant to say white several times when expanding the rate at which one group kills police in relation to that same group being killed by the police themselves. Hope this make sense.

[@mattiaskallin]

I think that’s the case, otherwise the analysis doesn't make sense.

[@dennisdose5697]

Fantastic conversation. Love Coleman's thoughtful, analytical approach, it doesn't matter if the proposition is favorable to his viewpoint, it still needs to be backed up by evidence and sound reasoning for him to accept it. He always impresses me with his careful approach.

[@tbmpvideo]

Great show. Audio is all over the map. Colman, your system needs a sound leveling function, either on the input or the edited output.

[@omarcombet33]

Great discusssion. Thank you both.

[@fraz2983]

Audio levels.... fix please. You're way to quiet.

[@DaveyD327]

I’ve been following for a while. I listen in my car, and your audio levels (aside from the music) are always so low I can’t actually hear it in the car. If you haven’t already, you should consider paying someone to level, clean up, and normalize your audio. It’d make a world of difference for your listeners.

[@samara7938]

Thanks for shedding light on this issue, may God bless you!

[@taboowriter9229]

We cant hear schit bruh

[@ImaplanetJupiteeeerr]

Compressor. Compressor. A good high ratio compressor. Please.

[@sams8502]

It’s crazy how he got fired for that

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

No, it's the world we live in now. The woke religion is dominant.

[@danilopompey754]

Zac clearly misses the point of BLM, which is Black Lives Matter, too. For instance, the fact is BLM advocates that White police need to be held accountable just like anyone else who murders an unarmed person, Black or White. Ironically though, here’s a rhetorical question for you. Who benefited most from the Civil Rights Act of 1964? White women. So, if BLM succeeds in holding White cops accountable for murdering unarmed Black citizens, who will benefit most? White citizens because in raw numbers White cops murder more unarmed White citizens without being held accountable. (After all, what happens to Black cops who murder unarmed White citizens? They go straight to jail, which is why Black cops are not out running amok killing White citizens like White cops are murdering Black citizens. Why? Because it wouldn't be tolerated. After all, White lives matter.)

[@thewbert8815]

love the show Coleman,but the difference in volume and audio quality make it unpleasant to listen to

[@jamesgriffith4]

Coleman you have a great pace to your interviews.

[@christopher2215]

The Rittenhouse example is particularly relevant to me. One of my good friends, who is well informed and educated, thought Rittenhouse shot 3 black men until 2 weeks before the verdict.

[@richardjanowski]

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." -Upton Sinclair That's why your former co-workers at Thompson Reuters didn't want to hear what you had to say.

[@joealias2594]

1:24:00 - this is the definition of a "luxury belief". In your safe, low-crime neighborhood saying we should "defund the police" while doing so actually increases violent crime in unsafe neighborhood.

[@paulpeterson1794]

This is difficult to listen to because of the mixing. In order to hear Coleman, I had to increase the volume. After that, when the guest would speak the brightness and volume were to high. The music is too loud and jarring when it comes in. It would be beneficial to equalize and balance the levels between the elements in the video. It’s an important discussion and the sound takes away for that.

[@nadiacoffey2609]

BLM has succeeded in defunding the police. My husbands department is 65 officers short with no plans to make that up for a couple years now. Policing is no longer a good career and almost no one wants to do it anymore. The same has happened to my career, nursing. We have lost the respect of the public because of the mixed messaging of the media. That trust will never be made back and the same for law enforcement. If you don’t have the trust of the public, you won’t have the respect of the public.

[@7troyfreund]

I feel for you

[@ricksflicks-]

Coleman, your audio levels on your mic are too low. Your guest is way louder than you. And I need to turn my volume to max to hear you. This is not the only video that suffers from this.

[@fiveleavesleft6521]

So illuminating.

[@cmiller7299]

Why is audio normalized so low in volume?

[@stevenrapa4014]

Great convo as always, but your volume is always SO LOW!. Please make them louder. If there is anything but complete silence around me I literally cant hear you, even with device volume maxed out.

[@leftykiller8344]

Awesome conversation. It’s nice to hear thoughts being put out there with evidence backing them. I’m not 100% sold on the rise of BLM protests being the major cause of the increase in homicide or other crime, especially during COVID, but I don’t think anybody can deny that it was a factor. Anytime the police come under scrutiny, they always draw back in how the police, which decreases effectiveness and increases crime. I remember when the small city I grew up in got in trouble for the “good ole boy” system they had in place. They had trouble making speeding tickets stick for about 6 months after that. So it definitely is a factor. How much of one, is something I would be interested to find out.

[@johnhenry4]

People were spray painting ACAB all over my city in Richmond, VA. ACAB= All Cops Are Bastards. This struck me as a movement to undercut faith in law enforcement. My own research led me to understand that unjustified police killings were more of a rarity than a norm. This went against the narrative on the streets during the protests, and in fact even stating this fact at that time would have been borderline dangerous. The narrative was that unjustified police killings happening rampantly (they should not ever happen ideally), when in actuality, although they do happen, when you take into account the number of contacts police have with citizens, the rate of unjustified killings is very very low..

[@tyronevaldez-kruger5313]

Indeed. Kyle Rittenhouse was a part of the increase

[@danilopompey754]

Zac clearly misses the point of BLM, which is Black Lives Matter, too. For instance, the fact is BLM advocates that White police need to be held accountable just like anyone else who murders an unarmed person, Black or White. Ironically though, here’s a rhetorical question for you. Who benefited most from the Civil Rights Act of 1964? White women. So, if BLM succeeds in holding White cops accountable for murdering unarmed Black citizens, who will benefit most? White citizens because in raw numbers White cops murder more unarmed White citizens without being held accountable. (After all, what happens to Black cops who murder unarmed White citizens? They go straight to jail, which is why Black cops are not out running amok killing White citizens like White cops are murdering Black citizens. Why? Because it wouldn't be tolerated. After all, White lives matter.)

[@johnhenry4]

@@danilopompey754 From what I found, black cops kill more black people than white cops kill black people. One reason for this could be that they are from the same community and it is a matter of proximity. Another suggestion is that they might be trying to "prove their loyalty to the police" but this is a theory. The BLM organization should be viewed separately from the general movement. The org website mission statement had several bullet points but not a one said anything about black men being valuable. My impression was they do not really value black men but use them as a tool to further a sort of LGBTQ+/marxism/postmodernism antiestablishmentarianism without really valuing the role of men in society, including black men. The mission statement was changed the last time I saw their website. White women do seem to be a major driver behind it all, probably due to gender studies, etc college indoctrination. Gotta put up a BLM sign to show everybody that they aren'r racist. Maybe it is more of an announcement that they would like to have more black friends.

[@danilopompey754]

@@johnhenry4, you missed the point entirely. Wake up. It is not about Black folks killing Black folks or Whites killing Whites; it is about White cops killing unarmed persons with impunity for the most part. However, this is not the case with Black cops who kill White citizens. They don't do it. Why? Because White Lives Matter. QED

[@that1chickinFL]

Black suspects are more likely to violently resist arrest to the point of harming an officer. Every cop knows this going in and it colors their interactions with black suspects. Black suspects are also more likely to disobey police commands, jaw off, and generally act like assholes towards cops. We can all sit in our cushy offices and say that police should be professional enough not to let this stuff get to them, but in practice it's a rare person whose response won't be at all affected by how they're treated

[@danielclark6532]

I listened on the car. Sound didn’t bother me. Could be better but no big deal.

[@DufDavis]

One way to at least show a level of support for Zac Kriegman is to give him a follow on Twitter.

[@asiastormy8728]

Mabe it is just some of us but.... time to properly adjust your intro music volume down a few notch. Always hock me when listening in a room with others or at night and BANG.. it comes on so much louder than your actual conversation. We are NOT all about the bass all the time.

[@Christopher.Bingham]

Colman I love your incisive conversations, but I have a hard time physically hearing your voice. You're style is quiet, which is great, but your voice falls into a range that is very hard to make "pop" in the recording. I'd be happy to try and help you be more audible, while still maintaining your style. (We have the same problem with the alto voices when recording music.) I think if you cut some of the low mid range , and boosted the upper mids in the EQ, you might find it easier to be heard without boosting the volume. Some compression might also help. (I just remembered you're a musician - you probably have the tools.) I don't know which app you're using to record, but the audio portions mihght have at least the EQs. Your voice is too important to be lost in the mix!

[@MsFreshadenu]

That is a fucking awesome title

[@laurelvanwilligen9787]

This show made me subscribe. I appreciate your calm, incisive analysis, Coleman. The fact that there were 'excess deaths' from BLM should not be a surprise, and of course history will confirm it handily.

[@NorthernObserver]

These people need to be sued.

[@cdcd4502]

Fix the audio on these. Volume way too low

[@AstroSquid]

the audio levels on you intro video music is way too loud compared to talking levels.

[@jesseturton]

FYIthe volume of your intro music was WAY louder than the rest of your podcast.

[@paulsims6240]

PLEASE fix the audio balance.

[@stewhooey1294]

Brilliant title- love it!

[@buzzcrushtrendkill]

pssst...the audio gain levels are not balanced at all.

[@truthstarved]

Another outstanding discussion with a very knowledgeable guest. There are portions of this discussion that are conspicuously absent however: (1) The overarching philosophical framework from which the BLM and WOKE movements sprung, and by which the postMarixst identity politics of the illiberal left are able to gain broad cultural acceptance under the guise of "racial justice". The intentional conflation (aka intersectional blending) of concerns related to cultural marginalization along class, race, and gender lines is a product of design by academics whose own idiosyncrasies and related bias compel them to undermine culturally normative values in the name of "inclusion" and "equity" - yet the net result predictably mandates a shift toward a collectivist authoritarian state wherein all communications are closely monitored and regulated at every level of existence. (2) The BLM and Woke movements are global in nature as can be evidenced by the BLM-led protests related to George Floyd's murder; thus one must look more critically at the hidden intention of transnational corporate media and their globalist allies in various power centers.The BLM and Woke movements speak to a level of global corporate planning and coordination that extends across political, cultural, educational, and economic boundaries to a degree in which the claim that either movement is "grassroots" in nature is patently absurd.

[@riffism]

I don’t believe there to be any “corporate planning” with regard to BLM support. Corporations are reactionary. They only supported the movement because they felt it would benefit their bottom line

[@truthstarved]

@@riffism I suggest that you do a little research beginning with the New Discourses podcast which explores the academic roots of Wokeism.

[@davegold]

I think you need to be careful in separating out the followers, the activists, and the elites (academics) of this movement since they will be approaching this from different viewpoints. Blaming a follower for the actions of the elite is not going to persuade anyone. We have to assume that the majority of these people are well intentioned.

[@truthstarved]

@@davegold Point taken. However, it is ultimately the responsibility of each individual to understand that to which they choose to lend their support or adopt as a set of guiding principles in their life. No court of law is going to accept a "devil made me do it" argument as a legitimate defense.

[@davegold]

@@truthstarved Sure but you're not a court of law. You're someone talking to people you meet in your everyday life

[@Apriluser]

Another statistic that might be interesting to look at is the average age of the perpetrator. Does that fall largely in one age range more than others or is it evenly distributed across the lifespan of a person? Would it perhaps reveal that the largest age range be late teen to mid-30s?

[@lilywindermere5358]

Offending rates are highest in the late teens and early twenties and decline from then on. 15-24 year olds account for about 40 percent of all arrests.

[@jesusisthewhy]

I can't hear you in this one, Coleman. Please remix. Thanks!

[@JamesSmith-ue2hm]

I just could not hear it. That really sucks because it looked very interesting

[@isabelhasse773]

I consider myself a progressive and come down on the pro social justice side of the debate on most practical issues of policy, but I am continuously disappointed in the quality of discourse and lack of intellectual honesty and rigor on both sides of the social justice debate. Coleman Hughes is a breath of fresh air. I respect him and his viewpoint MORE than any prominent progressive commentator and he often makes me rethink my own stances and shift closer to the center/anti-woke side.

[@jausti2]

Lol at you calling a Koch brothers funded grifter a breath of fresh air. I love the amount of content and academic work in relation to social justice available to all. Darity, Michelle Alexander, Harriet Washington and others have released amazing and insightful work on this issue recently. Instead of indulging in their data and research driven work you choose to praise a right wing think tank funded grifter with no academic credentials in the subject lol. The dishonest discourse from the right is being exposed globally right now. We are seeing an unprecedented commitment to lies and delusion. Lol at you thinking ppl can’t see through the both sides argument

[@isabelhasse773]

@@jausti2 Wow I'm really sorry to hear you feel the need to start arguments with strangers in the KZbin comments section, that must be really stressful :/ Have you considered getting a hobby? Personally I like to read gay smut about pirates :)

[@jausti2]

@@isabelhasse773 calling out grifters BS is pretty hilarious and to be honest much needed. Kind of a small pleasure when you aren’t a racist grifter

[@troy3456789]

Please turn down the music to be at or below your dialogue audio levels. I had you cranked up to hear you, then that music kicked in and practically blew my out of my chair.

[@markworden9169]

Resisting arrest.

[@grahamtrezise1114]

Love the title...

[@sjmiller6012]

Interesting discussion. Ok ... I agree/understand that BLM focus on police shootings is ignoring blk on blk shootings & crime. That blk on blk shootings are vastly more common. I don't understand how that makes BLM somehow responsible for the increase in homicides since beginning of pandemic. With the huge economic and social disruptions. BLM protests have sometimes included arson and looting. But I don't think they expressly encouraged violence. Although I have seen apologists for looting, arson, and riots.

[@michaelweber5702]

Zac , PLEASE turn down your volume !

[@LogicSpeaks]

At approximately 28 minutes Zac lists off statistics and appears to have misspoke which might confuse many (it confused me) because he misspoke several times. He meant to say the following: I’m paraphrasing… 1.) 37% of cop killers are Black but 24% of the suspects shot by police are black. 2.) 42% of cop killers are white (more white people) but suspects are 46% shot by police are white. When measured in relative terms. In number two he said blacks when he meant whites.

[@mattiaskallin]

I believe that’s correct. I wish Coleman, or his editor, would go in and make an edit there (i. e. text on screen) to clarify that.

[@youretoogay9914]

It will definitely be criticized

[@jerrygatts3467]

After watching Peter Boghossian’s recent videos, it’s easier to spot habits of a disciplined thinker. This guy has a view, but also seems totally open to Coleman’s thoughts. He’s actively looking for disconfirmation. These are the exact types of people who SHOULD be in positions of power.

[@randygault4564]

Yes, but you also need the confidence to make a decision and take action without sufficient evidence either way. Leadership is often about those risks.

[@jerrygatts3467]

@@randygault4564 You’re confusing openness (which good leaders have) with ‘paralysis by analysis’. The comment was less about leadership skills per se, and more about good judgement. I’m not saying he should be CEO, but his judgement and grasp on reality are clearly better than the people who fired him. The company would be better off listening to people like him rather than firing people like him.

[@lawman3966]

Financial/investment author William Bernstein, in complaining about irrationality in the investing world, observed that, in the battle between objective reasoning and emotional narrative, emotional narrative wins every time. The same seems to apply here. Chants, slogans, and feelings override the facts, especially when the biggest media platforms pour fuel on this fire, for profit, on a daily basis.

[@Matt-kt9nm]

One alarming thing about the aftermath of the JF/BLM riots is the disappearance of information. I was gathering videos and articles, but made the mistake of bookmarking them, instead of downloading. Most of those bookmarks show a 404 page. .

[@renakmans3521]

Dude the music is way louder than your voice…!

[@j3ffcoop]

Yes

[@NicholasWongCQ]

Yes they are ignorant - wilfully ignorant

[@shoeshoe5253]

Thank you so much for posting this, I've been looking for any signs of Patrice being held accountable for tax fraud somewhere in the media and I see nothing it's dead silence except for you 👍

[@moloney55]

On the question of whether BLM was a net good or bad. I think we need to realize if we'd been honest with ourselves as looked at the data and said: "We have some accountability issues for police who do bad things, like misuse of force that leads to wrongful deaths. Let's do things like body cameras to make sure it's not only testimony evidence. Let's look into things like understaffed departments and long hours leading to officer mistakes in some of these cases. Lets be honest that the issue is rare but also devastating for those involved" Then we could have taken positive steps into improving policing that wouldn't be demonizing police in general, widening racial divides, and causing all the human lives and prosperity that BLM did.

[@citizencaitlin7240]

Hard to listen to coz of the disparity of sound levels for each speaker.