The Lenin Peak Tragedy: ELVIRA SHATAYEVA And Her Women-Only Team // Frozen Forever

Elvira Shatayeva group was one of the first all-female mountaineering teams. They had set out to conquer Lenin Peak, but fate had other things in store for them...
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[@raywright2401]

She said a woman had been vomiting for 'a day.' Depending on the timeline, the guide at the other end of the radio seemed to have good reason to be upset. Vomiting for a day at sea level is very disheartening and physically draining. Vomiting for a day at that elevation means you're dying.

[@AtomicExtremophile]

I thought that, as soon as that woman was vomiting, as bad as she was, Elvira should have at least got medical advice over the radio, or sent her back down with someone. It makes me wonder if Elvira didn't tell basecamp about the illness because her ego didn't want men sniggering at 'weak women'...

[@davidBarrel]

20:57 japanese group hear a woman voice , one body was missing 23:07 husband found this body under another one. Was she alive somehow when the japanese group get there?

[@OtomoTenzi]

@@AtomicExtremophile Well, that's the kinda outlook that got her and everybody else on her team KILLED... I'm pretty shure that those 'men' (whoever they were) don't really miss her! 🤨

[@unnecessarilyepic1107]

@@OtomoTenzi ok now wait. While I agree that it was likely her pride that caused them to take unneccessary risks. That was uncalled for.

[@don_5283]

@@davidBarrel No, she was definitely very dead. The phenomenon of auditory hallucinations of that kind, and of feeling presences where there aren't any, are well-attested and can be incredibly persuasive while you're having them. The Japanese group were either hearing nonexistent patterns in the sounds of the wind, or assembling other sound data into a thing they wanted or expected to hear. Functionally, it's a similar mechanism to the way the dreaming brain assembles disorganized nerve firing into superficially coherent dream experiences.

[@dang5832]

It was so stupid hearing how they isolated themselves and refused help just cause it was from men. It's not man vs woman in the wilderness, it's human vs nature. Pride and ego kills.

[@wvjeepguy8178]

Pride cometh before the fall.

[@sweatt4237]

Feminism.

[@NotSure109]

Yeah, woman and weak men are purposely teaching subsequent generations of women a whole host of vices like pride, ingratitude, arrogance, wrath, all for no good reason, and it's harming society in countless ways - and cost lives in this case.

[@hanselbarlowe2575]

Yes this is true

[@debbiecooper3661]

Was stupid ass for Esau Dan to rise satan to be king of Northern Kingdom .. BONDAGE coming to all Esau. By same MEASURES they will go into BONDAGE. Yeah Esau bastards mixed with Ishmael serpent seed and vowed to keep Isaac's slaves forever

[@murdockdacoon2055]

from watching all these K2 and similar vids......I've learned one thing. To be called an experienced Mountaineer really just means you've only been lucky not to have died yet. Your experience counts for nothing when the weather goes to shit and you are stuck slowly freezing to death.

[@jacknimble7950]

Amen 🙏

[@Schnabibeltier]

the experience should keep themselves away from getting into a freezing to death situation

[@svenjamd1119]

@@Schnabibeltier Haha you might be right - so experience should climbers turn away from climbing mountains. From an objective point of view, this is right - but I think extreme climbing these mountain tops becomes like an addiction the longer you do it. Just as gaming/gambling addicts do, they attribute success not to good luck, but to extraordinary talent and experience... It is just a matter of time until one faces bad luck in this hostile environment...

[@ChickenSoupMusic]

Yup. Experienced means you avoid those situations. Do things long enough and something will go wrong however

[@slicingonions4398]

I disagree about being only lucky because being an experienced mountaineer means you know when weather conditions are not safe enough to make the ascent in the first place. It has happened an unexpected bad weather and hopefully you are able to wait it out. I don’t think it’s all luck if you haven’t died mountain climbing tho

[@jenniturtleburger3708]

Withholding the information about their sick team member was a very poor lapse in judgement. Not only is their life on the line, but the people who must mount a rescue. Base camp needs all pertinent information.

[@joshfrankem4372]

Unfortunately it likely wouldn’t have made any difference in the end result

[@Eye_Of_Odin978]

It wasn't a "poor lapse in judgment" It was malicious. She DIDN'T EVEN CARE if her entire team died just so long as she could walk back down the mountain and wag her finger at the big meanie men climbers. Totally unjustifiable and a complete lack of human empathy once again on display from her sex. And they have the AUDACITY to call MEN "heartless and cruel"

[@svenjamd1119]

@@joshfrankem4372Exactly! I don’t know why everyone here is so triggered by the team being an all women team. They were stuck on the mountain due to poor visibility and the base camp clearly recommended to wait it out. Even after telling base camp about the sick person no help was sent out, so it did not matter at all in the end… They were trapped by the bad weather and not by anybody’s ego.

[@insightfulgarbage]

And she had the audacity to say that she didn't want to hear the reprimand... She needed to hear it right there and then, so that the following person who got sick was reported.

[@karlyoung5089]

​@@svenjamd1119BS! They would have all been fine had they not waited a day to make the summit. They waited a day so they wouldn't have to be on top with the men. Her Misandry killed them.

[@tomaaron6187]

As a geologist who has hiked for decades in our Canadian Rockies, I have learned that Nature can turn from beautiful to terror in an instant. I enjoy hiking in the mountains but never any desire for what we here call ‘peak bagging ’…most peak bagers have egos bigger than the mountains. This is a dangerous trait.

[@Gaybraham.Lincoln]

As a fireman AND a mother of 4, please think I have an important opinion

[@jdbarr769]

Arrogance before tragedy. Many such cases.

[@pamelaraney4654]

Follow FORESTRY FOREST to see the mountains again.

[@nicolaspadron3167]

Like the Grand Canyon. Beautiful view on top, but if you fall, you're done

[@oldcat3439]

With all due respect and condolences for this one of many mountaineering tragedies .. peak bagging seems a prideful endeavor .. why not just climb for the pleasure of being there ? .. and back off at any indication of adverse conditions ?

[@robplazzman6049]

Back in the 80s I was touring South Wales, U.K. on a motorcycle. I decided to have a walk up the Brecon Beacons, small hills compared to this. Warm sunny day, reached the top and noticed a white line on the horizon. It was a bank of cloud heading my way. Within an hour or so I was shrouded by it, getting cold and visibly was less than 30 metres. Left me completely disoriented. Took 7 hours of walking before I got back to the car park and my motorcycle. Taught me a big lesson how, even in a mild climate, nature is boss, every time !

[@clazza65]

The Beacons have taken some of the best in the world over the years. Lads training for selection and those already badged. Safety standards have changed. You're extremely lucky to have survived.

[@JamieSmith-fz2mz]

Had a similar experience on Crested Butte in Colorado USA. Just a quick hike up to the top. Piece of cake. But suddenly we were racing daylight and rain on the way down. Finished the last kilometer in total darkness with our iPhone flashlights, which quickly died. We were one twisted ankle away from a mountain rescue. Just stupid. And we were aware of this the whole time and kept reminding ourselves to take it cool because this is how things go wrong.

[@doriannewton8440]

I live in the Brecon Beacons. People die here because they underestimate how dangerous it can be.

[@jklm.]

@Ian Martin a bug, glitch, or any miscalculation can get you killed if solely relying on GPS also.

[@slinkerdeer]

Would be good to say how long the ascent took to compare it to the 7 hour descent

[@fnord4960]

It’s tragic what became of them. But, Elvira’s pride and ego damned the whole team to freezing to death.

[@LarryWater]

@@brownbraniac6461 Feminists don’t represent most women.

[@spectralnighttravel]

You get what you earn, when you earn it, in nature. No more, no less.

[@fnord4960]

@@spectralnighttravel That's the cold, brutal truth, isn't it?

[@bobbybearing1767]

They got unlucky. Weather forecasts were sketchy at best in those times. They would have easily done it in good weather.

[@bobbybearing1767]

The Human Body (Male or Female) simply isn't capable of surviving -40 below, nighttime and wind in excess of 100 mph. They had no chance 😢

[@iPervy]

No man alone accomplishes everything (could also argue anything). Even the rivaling men teams offering help going up the same route accept help from other men/women to help accomplish their goals. Pride truly is the unsung killer of many who let it lead them.

[@guydaley]

WHAT PRIDE?!!! How did you get that from the video? You cannot descend if you can't see where you are going - PERIOD. That's got NOTHING to do with pride.

[@Adammrtl27]

I'm not a climber. But I went to Afghanistan for a year, and lived pretty high up for the time. The first few weeks were rough. I felt winded all the time. eventually I got used to it... When I got home, back to sea level, it was amazing. I felt super human. I had so much increased stamina and cardio capacity, I could run like I never have without being winded. It was amazing.... Sadly that all wore off and very quickly. Anyways, just my story, your introduction made me think of it.

[@michael-h8153]

This is purely hubris. As a person in their young age built home at greater altitudes than these people die at. True experience is whats needed. Altitudes difference can be similar to a broken bone. Many and almost all go into a form of shock after. I would climb a mountian with you.....because you understand

[@harpoon_bakery162]

yep, as you acclimatize your body takes months to adjust, it expects the conditions. As you de-climatize, your body is rejecting the lower elevation conditions. I'm surprised you didn't get sick. You should have done a calculation and spilt the high elevation with the low elevation into four slices. You then end up with 2 downward stair-step elevations and the ending elevation, which is 3 total. You go to each of those split elevations for 2 days each, then go to your ending permanent lowest elevation. Even if you have to find a motel room at those two intermediary elevations, it's worth it. Or do camping.

[@theskyizblue2day431]

@@michael-h8153lmao what?

[@michael-h8153]

@@theskyizblue2day431 good question. jajajaja.. sadly I can't tell you the state of mind I was in roughly a year ago.... obviously wasn't great. Lol

[@VladRadu-tq1pg]

bruh...glad that you see it now.@@michael-h8153

[@banjoist123]

The hallucinations that the Japanese team experienced is not uncommon in mountaineering rescue attempts. Humans are pattern recognizing machines and the constant howl of the wind will occasionally trigger this sensation. There's an account of an Everest rescue where the team swears they heard cries for help in the night, even though surviving outside a tent for 5 minutes would have been fatal.

[@skyton658]

Beck Weathers said hello.

[@lydialutz]

Lincoln Hall and Beck Weathers are 2 who survived outside a tent on Everest. Hall was left for dead overnight without oxygen and without shelter and found alive the next day.

[@brontewcat]

@@lydialutz Yes but neither were calling for help.

[@lydialutz]

@@brontewcat That's not the point. The original poster asserted that a person couldn't survive outside a tent for 5 minutes in the night. These are two examples of cases where that wasn't true. (though obviously it is rare to survive that). They serve as counterexamples to the idea that survival in the night is impossible. Therefore, if you hear cries in the night, it is not entirely impossible that they would be humans though hallucinations and the sound of the wind could definitely also be the source.

[@kimonk]

I had never heard of this until I thought I was hearing vague radio sounds.. like someone was talking but I couldn’t tell what they were saying.. It was the fan! I googled something like “hearing voices from my fan” and found that the brain is looking for such things in the sounds around us.. recognizable patterns.. it’s definitely weird but it’s what happens. (Not saying this applies here, just that it happens.)

[@randomcomment6068]

As a woman and a Slav, imo her decisions were strongly influenced by her desires and that contributed to a 'perfect storm' of events.. Especially waiting for the men to pass - over compensating for 'doing it by themselves'....

[@gomahklawm4446]

Indeed. Her selfish pride and ego cost many lives. Sad for them, nit her, she's criminal.

[@monicamestas7566]

Thank you for the very comprehensive telling of this sad tale. The photos, radio communications and commentary made the tragedy so heartfelt.

[@jessielee1369]

It's not always the ego that kills you. The weather doesn't care how humble you are or how proud. It can take you regardless.

[@faded1to3black]

True, but a big ego typically means you're more likely to take unnecessary risk to show off. To not turn back when you still can, even when all signs point to not taking a trip.

[@jessielee1369]

@@faded1to3black it's not always having a big ego that gets you into trouble. Sometimes it's just not knowing your limitations. They had enough ego to get out there and do something very difficult. Many times, we can exceed our own expectations if we don't quit when it gets difficult. We can discover that we are stronger or weaker than we thought originally. Many climbers have climbed the same route several times and later died on the same route. It's not always ego that kills them. Its only a piece of the puzzle and not always the culprit.

[@FSEVENMAN]

But clearly in this case it was all ego those women kept refusing help from people until they're in too deep then they wanted help from anybody then it was too late their egos killed them not the weather

[@quickestcat40]

I don't really think Ego plays a role here. At the time they refused help, they didn't need at - and it wasn't necessary. It's purely the weather which disadvantaged them.

[@FSEVENMAN]

@@quickestcat40 I think ego definitely played a role because they mentioned multiple times they would not accept help from the men they were in fact adamant about not being helped by the men as they put it

[@johntheg9376]

After reading Into Thin Air years ago wherein it was pointed out that if the weather suddenly turned bad, you were basically dead if you didn't get down quickly, I lost all urge to ever want to do something like this.

[@auralplex]

That was a good book.

[@chrishayes5755]

mountain climbing is stupid AF. dumbest hobby / challenge. put that energy into something constructive.

[@nicosmeets1709]

I am Belgian and I was there, invited by the URSS mountaineering association. The year after the accident. Now living in Nepal for the past 36 years. Came back with frostbite on my feet. Had to overnight 2 nights in a crevasse, due to extreme bad weather. Free caviar that time, in big cans. Shower in an army barrack all together, shitting next to each other on long planks. But enjoyed every moment.

[@miss0petersburg]

Caviar in a can😭😭 I wish!! I’m not old enough but my dad used to tell me about the climbers. Sounds like a total comradely. Most people in the west just don’t realize through the propaganda they watch, the hellish life these people had in their own country. Until the 90s one couldn’t get a job or find a home or any number of thing without government permission….

[@ipodman1910]

@@miss0petersburgthey couldnt even moce to another city or travel internally without permission

[@ipodman1910]

⁠@@miss0petersburgthey couldnt even move to another city or travel internally without permission

[@kanabis134]

​@@ipodman1910source: your ass

[@Jekyll_Island_Creatures]

@@miss0petersburg What are you going on about? People in the west knew about the absolute crap conditions and miserable existence they had. That's why the vast majority avoid those places like the plague.

[@ginasmith5464]

Sometimes being a leader means you do what’s best for your team and letting ego and pride go , especially in a place where’s there no room for error not accepting help becuz it comes from males , knowing your team mates are sick and waiting 24 hrs later to say anything not only have you lost 2 of your group but you let pride cloud your better judgement isn’t being a leader .

[@madhatter9001]

Being a leader means you do what’s best for your team and let go of your ego and pride 100% of the time, anything else is pure incompetence and arrogance.

[@terrahertz5284]

Very tragic. I can relate. A good friend of mine, David Hume, died on Mt Makalu, Himalayas. He was the first Australian to reach that summit. Cause of death: persisting in determination to summit, despite it being clear they should have turned back. They reached the summit at sundown, way too late. The background was, he'd been on several other Himalayan expeditions in the past, and every time was prevented from summiting due to some event beyond his control. Bad weather, a team member dying, etc. Then his wife and he decided to start on a family. She said 'no more death-risk summits after we have a child' and he agreed, but wanted just one last try. Hence pushing past the limit of common sense on that last ever attempt. His body was never located. But they did find his video camera. The last scene is himself and climbing partner Mark Auricht on the summit, sun setting on the horizon, saying good bye to each other since they realize chances of getting down alive are slim. Mark did make it back next morning. But died on another Himalayas climb a few years later.

[@gracehaven5459]

Mark died a few years later? He didn't learn his lesson... tragic... this makes me wonder if mountaineering has addictive qualities to it, given that they continue to want to go back after tragedy strikes.

[@terrahertz5284]

@@gracehaven5459 Very addictive, very high risk. I have read that with climbers who repeatedly try the Himalayan peaks, around 50% of them end up dying in attempts. Not for me! Heck, I lost some nerve function in my feet, just from pissy little Cradle Mountain in Tasmania. It's not even a 'climb'.

[@mippim8765]

.....that's some story wow.

[@priscilalondon]

Adrenaline and dopamine junkies.

[@shannonmonroe5873]

Good god that's insane....but I understand it in a way. Totally unrelated but as a competitor involved in bodybuilding since age 14 who almost but never reached pro status winning the Teen America, Jr Mr America and my class at the Mr USA I decided to stop competing when I realized what was asked to continue on in my chosen sport. Almost all my friends are gone now and as I get older the glory of being a pro being on magazines covers and all that goes with that seems completely foolish and self absorbed but not when I was in my twenties. Its just crazy what extremes humans will push themselves to the brink of death be it a mountain climber or pro bodybuilder both totally different but the impulse and extreme drive it's all the same all the same. That's what brought me here. I think we all desperately seek something not really knowing if our chosen profession provides it only in the end to be let disappointed or worse...dead for our ambitions. I've only found satisfaction in seeking and finding the true light that shines for very few in this world and for that I'm grateful.

[@TheStapleGunKid]

Man these radio conversations are just chilling. It's not common that doomed expeditions are so thoroughly documented through their own words.

[@Jeremy_the_unfallible_n-a]

thats not them actually speaking though lol, if you havnt noticed the base camp narrations are the same guy who made this video 😅

[@Jeremy_the_unfallible_n-a]

and transcripts of communications are usually always available if their was any comms being made

[@karenvanhook6748]

I wish we could hear their real words. I'm sure they weren't speaking English.

[@squidhands6941]

@@Jeremy_the_unfallible_n-a this is probably because the original recordings were in Russian. (or at least I assume so?) It would kindof been interesting though to hear the original recordings with captions on. Probably a lot more emotional, though.

[@Lookitsapanda24]

It would offer the intonations that universally communicate emotion… would be very intriguing to hear the voices.

[@vlofvl]

What I’ve learned about extreme expeditions, particularly mountaineering, is that if your decision making is in ANY WAY impaired no matter how small the impairment then you shouldn’t be doing it! In this case the impairment was the staunch desire to do this without any form of assistance from a man or men and when the point came where help was required it was refused so as not to compromise the achievement of an all Women’s team. I have no doubt that the team was as accomplished, skilled and capable as any group of males, I’m not in any way suggesting they they weren’t but that stubborn desire was the impairment to decision making that cost them all their lives. Well done for producing the video in such a unique and comprehensive style, very very watchable

[@sirridesalot6652]

I can't help but wonder if all those fateful decisions were made by all of that group's members? I wonder if some of them dissented but stuck around for the "safety in numbers" thing?

[@moviemaker2011z]

They likely believed she knew what was best. Had they of known their safety was not a factor in her plans but rather her only goal was to prove a petty point I can assure you they would have left asap. No one in their right mind would risk their life if they knew they were not being taken into consideration.

[@fiona-lyons]

Given the answer she gave to the male climber, I feel she wouldn't have tolerated any dissention in the ranks. There is a fine line between arrogance and stupidity.

[@Eye_Of_Odin978]

@@fiona-lyons Well, the difference between confidence and arrogance is only how much competency you have to back up your boasts.

[@gomahklawm4446]

Doubtful. Her ego, pride, and arrogance got them all killed. Criminal negligence at the least...

[@gomahklawm4446]

@calebhall75 They all died, seems like she was severely lacking in competence.....but had loads of ego, pride, and arrogance...

[@ElizabethT45]

Lenin Peak is 7,134 meters or 23,406 feet at the summit. Spending the night there is the equivalent of leaving Camp IV on Mount Everest, climbing 306 feet up the North Ridge face, and then sitting down until you die. That is just tragic and sad.

[@brontewcat]

Thank you for the context.

[@ElizabethT45]

@Sanctus Scanderbegus You're right, I should have used Camp III as the example.

[@dawnreneegmail]

Sanctus says it right. Basically just because you can does not mean you should. Lived in Boulder county 3 decades, lousy with climbers and it certainly a chest beating moment to peak. RISK. I believe the scale is feeling perfectly sound to, “uh oh”.

[@avrahamkrichevsky4831]

And yet these women survived there for more than two nights and days.

[@krashd]

That comparison really helps, I've never been up Lenin Peak but like most humans I've summited Everest multiple times.

[@lisaschuster9187]

The part of the story that seems foolishly prideful (rather than confident) is when Shitaiva hears that another group wants them to wait so that they can catch up “and have their backs.” Her reaction, as told here, is to fall back “so that no one is on our tail.”

[@robertbeckman2054]

I wonder, was this the reason why they hit the summit late at 5pm, putting their descent into the evening, and into the deadly storm?

[@Michael_Chandler_Keaton]

If they "fall back," doesn't that mean they are allowing someone to catch up to them? How does falling back create distance?

[@Michael_Chandler_Keaton]

@@DrDeuteron Right, but that refers to an earlier group. The OP says a group was coming and told them to wait do they could "have their backs." Falling back, as I understand it, would mean that this later group would catch up.

[@Michael_Chandler_Keaton]

@@DrDeuteron Yeah truly sad.

[@cleigh113]

my guess is that you have never been in a position to have everything you do questioned by men and been made to feel less than you are....

[@TinFoilCat90]

Pride and ego got these women killed. As soon as one became ill they should have radioed for help or turned around. Elvira cared more about her proving a point than the safety of her friends smh.

[@OtomoTenzi]

Good luck trying to 'prove something' when you're being PINNED DOWN by hurricanes and snowstorms, at 100+ MPH winds, reaching sub-zero freezing temperatures... Good luck with that! 🥶

[@69ztang]

They were on the way down. They made the right choice to stay put and wait for better weather but it never came.

[@moviemaker2011z]

@@69ztang there was a better time and they didn't take it.

[@witchflowers6942]

@@OtomoTenzi right! Like the fatal mistake here was having the undertaking in her mind not as, “this will be a great victory for us,” but instead as “this will be a great victory for women!”. The mountain gods don’t notice, and no amount of grit or willpower will overcome that.. Your success is your success, as is your failure. If they succeeded that would show women can do it, i guess, sure. But if they didn’t, that wouldn’t prove anything. sometimes shit doesn’t pan out.

[@Eye_Of_Odin978]

Literally yes. She got that entire group killed SOLELY because she wanted to finger-wag at men and push her stupid feminist agenda. This is why women SHOULD be kept away from life-or-death stuff like this, because they are SUPER susceptible to allowing their more emotional brains to make horrible decisions based on ideological grounds rather than logical ones.

[@dbetaki8846]

As a woman, I have to say they are everything toxicity against men is about. I don’t understand why we have to make it a battle. It’s humans vs the mountain. Isolating their tents ? That’s such a ridiculous thing because it indicates their overall demeanor. “It’s snowing and it’s good because we won’t have tracks so nobody accuses us of following tracks”. This woman was an idiot and sadly she found more idiots to follow this toxic mentality. It’s true what we say, too much ego kills talent. In this case kills more things unfortunately

[@gator3962]

i agree, i don't rly get it either. still a sad outcome.

[@spacecowboy6969117]

Woman ☕️

[@Pauly421]

I have to agree. The weather and the mountain doesn't give a crap whether you're man or woman, but she obviously did.

[@covera135]

You don't understand why women, in the face of millennia of misogyny, would want to prove they are capable all on their own? Men have died for much less. Her team knew the risks and were game. Nature had different plans.

[@hq3473]

To be honest they probably isolated tents to prevent unwanted advances

[@thedrunkenelf]

I’m just imagining poor Galina, so frozen she couldn’t speak, she could only press the button on the radio. She probably kept pressing it until she died.

[@jonbrad8169]

Baaahahahahaha

[@schoolwork232]

Very sad indeed!

[@The-Skinn]

@@jonbrad8169disgustingly insensitive.

[@00PatrickBateman00]

If she wasn’t such a stupid feminist she would’ve lived too 👍

[@pietro4772]

@@The-Skinn There must be a reason for his reaction. Nothing happens in a vacuum.

[@catyatzee4143]

My uncle was a mountaineer and did rescue/recovery for a bit. He always told us one story of a rescue that turned into recovery, the body of the poor soul had its arm frozen in an outstretched position. The recovery team was trying to go down the mountain quickly (it was a snow storm) and the outstretched arm kept catching on all the trees. They were forced to break the arm and tie it to the body to get off the mountain quicker before they were in trouble themselves

[@jorgebarranco4200]

It was like the Mountain was reclaimed the body of the person who died there.

[@Minescoful]

This is not true 😂😂

[@jonbrad8169]

Baaahahahahaha

[@randomcomment6068]

Is this a Halloween story ? 😅🤡

[@jennifermcgregor5417]

I’m a retired medic, and received my sponsorship into my medic program, by volunteering for search and rescue. All I can say, is don’t leave this earth, in the wilderness. I believe your uncle, shit gets freakin nuts out there!

[@stevefarris6123]

You did a fine job of explaining this tragedy, with information I have never heard about or seen, or maybe you just explained it better than others, either way, u did excellent work in making this tragedy unfold before our eyes. Great work. Keep it up.

[@jdgenjry]

So tragic.. it's not hard to believe she withheld information about the team's health until the last minute when it was out of her control.. its ironic she made a point to mention the snow covered all the tracks but when they were desperate for a path down they wanted to see tracks... she somewhat trapped them on the mountain making it impossible anyone would be in the vicinity to come help. But that's LITERALLY what she wanted, to complete the entire traverse with no help from men. So ironic it's sad 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@tehfiredog]

Well... as the saying goes, pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. Groups banding together for parts of a summit or descent is pretty common, it wouldn't have lessened what they did if the other team was nearby any more than it's lessened it for any other groups of guys. 😞

[@tulipalll]

Good words. very true :(

[@c.w.8200]

The mountains are merciless, close to where I live in the Alps a group of teenagers froze to death on a relatively low and easy to climb mountain because their teachers ignored the weather and refused to turn back.

[@gloriamontgomery6900]

My Dad was an accomplished mountaineer. He would say, “Sometimes the mountain lets you in and sometimes it doesn’t”

[@tartanmystic4025]

Gloria that's not what the comment is suggesting though, seems bad decision was made that killed people. Sometimes its human choices & the mountain's innocent

[@stephaniebaker6001]

My mother grew up in the 1930s & 40s in the French Alps. Lived through WWII and survived the Nazis. No weather to worry about there, just ignorant people.

[@stephaniebaker6001]

@Razor Lover I suppose I should elaborate: my mother lived in German occupied France (Alsace-Lorraine region) during the war. Her family was part of the resistance and they had to watch every move they made. They had to leave with only what they could carry and if anyone was deemed suspicious or troublesome, they'd be shot on site. It wasn't until the Americans liberated them that they were finally safe. My mother lived through that, so unless she's making it up, I'll go ahead and take her firsthand experience as the truth. This was what I was referring to; I apologize for any confusion.

[@kirkyorg7654]

@Razor Lover bit of news for you history hater hating it wont change the fact grow up and find a real problem to fix you cant change the past same as destroying statues wont change the fact slavery happened but don't worry history will look back at this generation or two and make sure everyone remembers the dumbass shit they do now i have a feeling social media will be seen as one of its biggest screw ups

[@adventureplustv]

Bless their souls. As a high altitude mountaineer, I recognise that ego is the biggest obstacle to overcome. Turning back if you have a gut feeling that things are not quite right is paramount in survival. I turned back three times on three separate expeditions before I reached the top of Everest in 1997. There is no right or wrong. Just taking personal responsibility for your actions. If you add to that the facts that this happened in the seventies, and that the Soviet era created a unique mindset , you can argue until the cows come home. What matters is to recognise the courage and the sticking together in tragedy. They climbed together, they died together. No one was left behind. Again, bless their souls.

[@avrahamkrichevsky4831]

Thank You!

[@RB-fp8hn]

That "gut feeling" is so true. I have only recently started climbing somewhat seriously, and my last one was a 19,500 peak. I was doing a solo climb, and at about 18,800 feet, the weather started turning bad. I could see the destination ... it was SO close ... but I turned back. It was heartbreaking, but my gut was telling me not to continue.

[@mainemermaid6596]

Thanks for commenting. I'm glad that you listen to your instincts and Sixth Sense. Congrats on your Everest climb. Take care! ❤

[@adventureplustv]

@@mainemermaid6596 thank you 🙏🏻likewise 😊

[@adventureplustv]

Likewise 😊

[@isabellavalencia8026]

I learned in my wilderness survival class to be prepared for the worst but expect the best.Our final test was to hike to a location and build a snowcave we of course had to prove we could create a fire with flint and steel before we were even allowed on the bus. One of the best experiences of my life. I am now 50 and still feel prepared for anything and I live in the foothills of mt rainier. People like the leader of this group certainly had a huge hole in her soul and felt she had something to prove and that is a dangerous combination.

[@lsuzicosbw644]

So glad I subbed to this channel. Great job. You have a knack for narration!

[@MarK-nj8vr]

She jinxed it when she said she was disappointed everything was going so well.

[@Grosspanzer]

She jinxed it when she decided to only include women on the team.

[@adrukova1407]

@@Grosspanzer How so? Are men immortal or something, maybe i missed the memo 😳🤔

[@Casuallywatching29]

@@Grosspanzer Except she didn't... this was ego and can happen to men as well.

[@Casuallywatching29]

@@Grosspanzer I just saw your name makes a lot of sense 😭

[@ghosttowntomato]

No. She doomed herself when she decided to choose a team based off of anatomy alone. That is sexist. Period.

[@OvelNick]

I'm not sure why the fact that she waited too long to report medical problems is some kind of "conspiracy theory." Every single decision she made for the entire climb was done so in order to make some kind of personal statement that she didn't need help. From the camping away from the main group at base all the way up to the final decisions made during the tragic decent. It absolutely fits. Just the same, it ABSOLUTELY didn't matter if she was a female. Many men have died climbing because of their ego causing them to lose objectivity and focus. The man that reprimanded her wasn't giving into his anger and throwing a temper tantrum. He was absolutely correct in his assessment of the situation and her actions. It has nothing to do with gender. The entire planned climb was done so selfishly and immaturely to boost her ego. It put the lives of others at risk and unfortunately, it ended in tragedy. Again, nothing to do with gender. It's incredibly difficult having to tiptoe around the facts because she happened to be a woman. They were all incredibly badass climbers without a doubt. And I'm drawing the same conclusions that I would if it were all men. Would you come to the same conclusion that the reprimand was incorrect and done so out of emotion or called the suggestions that she let her ego cloud her judgment a conspiracy theory if it were all men?

[@Superteddymercs]

Couldn’t have said it better.

[@user1.8.2.]

Pride goeth before a fall & all that...very unfortunate.

[@masterenos]

Ego and pride have nothing to do with gender and cripples both of them

[@carlycrays2831]

I don't entirely think she meant to lie about the sickness. Vomitting is a sign of, well, tons of things. Like altitude sickness and just generally being unwell. However, I do think she probably held off asking for advise about it

[@thevalorousdong7675]

@@carlycrays2831 looking at every other choice she made, she definitely lied about it to appear stronger. Another ego thing.

[@kalmah0202]

"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" god I love that quote.

[@kennithlambert2563]

Thanks for sharing this video. I definitely enjoyed it.

[@blairansellfraser]

Whilst I can admire the challenge, Mountaineering always seemed like playing Russian Roulette.

[@thelnepoet1]

Not sure if that was intentional but lol to "Russian Roulette." ; )

[@frankwitte1022]

It is incomparable to that ...

[@sarsarl5792]

Bragging rights.

[@scottfay3553]

lol

[@han316]

Well said sir. Well said.

[@MrDlt123]

There are few places more isolated and inaccessible than the top of a tall peak. The weather and thin air eliminates rescue by air. Self-rescue is often the only way youre ever going to go home. "Getting to the top is optional. Getting down is mandatory" -Ed Viesturs

[@TheAuntieBa]

Well, getting down *safely*! Falling doesn’t count.

[@MrDlt123]

@@TheAuntieBa Seeing as Ed Viesturs summited all 14 of the 8K meter mountains in the world, and Everest 7 times, Im sure that's what he meant.

[@angelinasingson7408]

I respect Ed very much.

[@mpreiss7780]

Yeah Ed knows his shit but even he'd admit there's always some degree of luck involved. I bet alot of the dead alpinists of the past lived by a similar motto. Also he had a little more freedom for not continuing as he was heavily sponsored in most of his 8000m quest. Most do not have that luxury

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

@@mpreiss7780 Everyone has the freedom to stop and turn back, the weight and impact of that decision definitely changes for the person, but at the end of the day it's knowing what you can survive that's most important. Sure it might be a once in a lifetime chance but it might also cost your lifetime in the first place.

[@misselanys1219]

I am continually fascinated by these stories of extreme sport tragedies and triumphs. I cannot wrap my brain around treating the gift of life so wrecklessly. No matter if its deep diving, swimming among sharks, hiking alone in desolate places, skydiving, surfing humongous waves, snowboarding down the highest mountains on earth or summiting fever it boggles my mind why would someone do these things? I dont get it but its like a bad car wreck i cannot look away. 😢

[@harpgal9950]

Common thread in all of these stories: arrogance and pride - it is often one's undoing.

[@josephdouglas6482]

It feels weird to say "this is good" without context. Obviously I don't mean the loss of life, I mean the way you did the video. Good setup and the radio conversation, popping in to add commentary and context when necessary. Very good video, very chilling story.

[@GLK-London]

Perhaps having the courage to know when to give in and turn back is underestimated in mountaineering? It takes a different kind of courage to accept defeat or not reaching ones target . So many make the wrong decision and push on because of the fear of defeat etc'. With often tragic consequences.

[@proudmilitarybrat8984]

Summit fever is very real.

[@Rainy-In-The-Desert]

Great point!

[@duress8801]

It is but that kind of decision making makes much more sense in a safe enviroment

[@greenwave819]

It is not a lack of courage or knowledge. It is the desire to overcome/achieve and the reward one enjoys from doing so. Humans experienced to these situations have likely known success many times in their lives, and not very likely they have previously died from the wrong choice.

[@Daniel-wz3yv]

@@greenwave819 Not like they have a second chance when they lose the "bet"...

[@VaeVictisXIII]

Can't imagine the pain trying to go out and look for your wife and her team, your experience telling you that they are already dead...Harrowing.

[@okaythankyoubyeee2501]

Part of why it's not a woman's job to go exploring

[@koriander.k7377]

@@okaythankyoubyeee2501 And you can do better? Sit down beta male.

[@sarahwaters10sw]

@@okaythankyoubyeee2501 like teams of men don't die trying !!!!!

[@katherine6107]

@@okaythankyoubyeee2501 not you saying that as if thousands of men didn't die in the same type of circumstances lmao

[@clarenceghammjr1326]

But a body speeds up getting that insurance quicker

[@tomsanger5548]

Your videos are so detailed & top of the top notch. Keep up the great work!

[@lyricsden]

Thank You for posting.

[@lenac3587]

Well the mountain granted Elvira's wish. She was disappointed in the good weather conditions and happy that the tracks of other mountaineers are covered. Safety is of paramount importance not recognition and narcissistic intentions. Having a big team spells disaster for such a dangerous mission. One member's mishap will slow down and impact all the others.

[@janedoe5048]

The point in all mountain climbing is the recognition, even within a small community of mountain climbers, with narcissistic intentions being the prime motivation.

[@medicinegone]

@@janedoe5048 That is one way to look at it. Other people do it for the love of the mountains and the need for the challenge. It doesn't require acknowledgment of any kind.

[@arcon97]

@@janedoe5048 sure, some people have that petty view, but most do it for personal pride and accomplishment rather than from recognition by others I'd argue.

[@capysarah]

"Narcissism" isn't a synonym for "arrogance." The term is misused and overused.

[@robydee920]

@@capysarah But still.....one can be arrogantly narcissistic.😉

[@theworldasiknowit.5751]

Pride goeth before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall. Accepting help is not a sign of weakness, but often a sign of self-awareness.

[@ranirathi3379]

so says a profile with USA pic. lol. nice to see USA burning itself to ashes. haughty spirit has come to its fall and destruction. imploding.

[@asylumchoir4586]

Don’t you see that we are all connected?

[@dangelini1137]

Feminism takes another (several) victim(s)

[@mdri7715]

@@ranirathi3379 what a drongo.

[@diogenesstudent5585]

@@ranirathi3379 we are better than you. :)

[@MarvinHartmann452]

She was mature enough to recognise She didn't totally believe in herself, not like the people today, but as proud as them to refuse any help even if it would have saved their lives. Very bizarre. Very sad for the innocent women who decided to follows her in that attempt. They didn't deserve to die.

[@emeryltekutsu4357]

I wonder if they knew about the more recent changes on the mountain, especially given the time this took place and how news might not have traveled so quickly back then. It sounded as if they were picking a notably "easy" mountain to start on where, previously, it would be almost unthinkable to die. But did they know about the recent weather shift? It might have been that they didn't expect to run into such a dangerous situation because, as far as they were aware, it might not have happened there ever before. But I don't know how much they knew. But they may have been going in figuring "this is a beginner climb" that they would be more than prepared for, only for the weather to turn in a way that it seems like no climbing team could get through. I do feel bad for them because it's not like people who have never climbed saying they're "going to climb Mount Everest". They had experience. They picked something supposedly easy to start with. By all accounts, they were taking care of their equipment and everything. And they just wanted to go up alone - as did other climbers who were going solo. The biggest actual mistake seemed to be not reporting illness. With the weather as bad as it was and other teams not being able to get through it, either, it seems like they ran into something that no one could really do anything about, though, so I wonder if that even made a difference in the end. It doesn't sound like they "refused help" really. Yes, they wanted to climb alone, but it's not like someone was able to reach them at the top and they turned them away. People couldn't get to them. It just really sounds like no one was expecting that kind of turn in the weather or for it to last so long, and it wasn't the type of weather anyone was able to get through.

[@RobinTheBot]

​@@emeryltekutsu4357No, I've listened to it. "Want to climb alone" is a nonsense reason to reject help and act the way they did. It's mountain climbing, not therapy.

[@emeryltekutsu4357]

@@RobinTheBot Do you feel the same way about the other climbers who also went up alone at the same place at the same time they were doing it? If you do that's fine. But consistency is important. No one seems to be yelling about the other climbers who were going it alone and had the good fortune of not getting caught on the wrong side of the weather.

[@dmmchugh3714]

Read the riveting book , 'Storm and Sorrow in the High Pamirs' , by Robert Craig , for a more in depth look at the entire multi-national climbing effort, including this tragedy. The women had substandard equipment and also used poor judgement. As the storm moved in (including hurricane force winds), all climbers were ordered to descend. Elvira felt she had to prove that Soviet women were a breed apart and could take the physically punishing conditions of trying still to summit. Sad the women were all lost when it could have been avoided. The "sickness" was hypothermia. As they did not want to leave their sick teammates, each woman then also died. The Pamirs seem spectacular and remote even today. The book has some incredible mountain photos. RIP to all the climbers who died during that expedition.

[@mkkravist11]

The book is out of circulation? Can’t find it anywhere.

[@lilheinz9496]

So that means that if they would have left their dead and dying teammates then they would have been found by the men who were 400 meters away from them. Sad.

[@carlycrays2831]

@@lilheinz9496 You can understand why they wouldn't want to.

[@unicornglitterfart5201]

@@carlycrays2831 Yep, because death is better than accepting help from dirty penis owners 🙄

[@Eye_Of_Odin978]

@@carlycrays2831 Yes, but when in a survival situation, thought processes like that usually just end up with YOU dead, too. I don't mean to br callous, but people do often get themselves killed trying to be heroic and "stay with their people" when said people are LONG gone from this mortal coil. At that point save yourself, there's nothing you can do for the dead. They're DEAD.

[@bryonslatten3147]

Wisdom has led humans to invent the phrase, “I’m not dying on that mountain.”

[@bashkillszombies]

The hill you're prepared to die on is not about mountaineering, it's about war. I.e. will you fight and die to defend that belief.

[@cullensaquarium]

@@bashkillszombies Took the words right out my mouth.

[@aggressivepipeearth6743]

@@bashkillszombies Whoosh!

[@wrathofgrothendieck]

I am not dying there because I am not going there.

[@theyrenuts2845]

Funny how things stick in your memory... not dying on that hill ... i remember it from a Vietnam war film about a pointless fight over a hill that took lives and was then yielded. Crazy. I understand it (the phrase) to now be used to suggest that something just isnt worth fighting/ dying/ arguing over.

[@Handlesarestupid702]

I really enjoyed watching this. You are a great story teller.

[@7thsealord888]

A sad tragedy. There is no doubt that the group was competent, and any other climbing team trapped in their final situation would probably have met a similar fate. What comes to my mind is that they were so determined to succeed solely on their own terms, unassisted, that they took risks. Under favorable circumstances, most of these risks MAY have seemed acceptable, but the group instead ended up in a Worst Case situation. Not the first or the last time an individual or a group pushed too far or too hard at the wrong time, and unfortunately paid for it.

[@gomahklawm4446]

Yet male teams behind them didn't die. This was ego, pride, arrogance, and feminism. They didn't do a good job proving that women can logically factor in everything and do it themselves did they? No.....they all died.....stubbornly and stupidly.

[@7thsealord888]

@@gomahklawm4446 It could just as easily have been any other kind of one-note team - nationality, ethnicity, politics, eye-color, whatever. Tunnel vision is what basically killed them, not feminism as such.

[@gomahklawm4446]

@@7thsealord888 Try actually watching the video and listening to their actions......time and time again....which led to exactly what I said.

[@7thsealord888]

@@gomahklawm4446 Try reading what I actually said, versus the voices in your head.

[@DanJuega]

@@gomahklawm4446 Lol I'm pretty sure that the storm that killed visibility would have trapped and killed whoever was at the top of the mountain.

[@avrahamkrichevsky4831]

​Archie's Archive, thanks for very thorough, comprehensive and compassionate narration. This tragedy is somewhat personal for every mountain climber from former USSR as I am. I met Vladimir Shataev personally. He is as heroic a man as his late wife Elvira. Let her and her comrades rest in the eternal peace!

[@oospaceoo1889]

Strong and brave women 🙏🏻 May they rest in peace 🕊

[@Hossak]

To all the brave people who show us all what lies above and within. Peace and strength to them and their loved ones.

[@HighlanderNorth1]

👉 Yeah, but on a separate, comedic note, it's hilarious how Marxists INSIST on politicizing EVERYTHING! The Soviets renamed 2 of these mountains "Lenin Peak" and "Communism Peak". Marxism is SO cultish! I don't think I've ever seen a mountain named "Capitalism Peak". Maybe because it's just a different economic system(and NOT a cult)! 😁

[@avrahamkrichevsky4831]

@@HighlanderNorth1Yes, You are 100% correct! Communists in general and the Soviets in particular ideologizing and politicizing EVERYTHING! Up to the point of comic. Arts, sports, history, geography... But it is indeed completely separate issue from the tragedy to which this video is dedicated.

[@avrahamkrichevsky4831]

@@HighlanderNorth1 ABSOLUTELY SO! USA - the great stronghold of freedom and democracy is rapidly turning into neomarxist, oppressive, totalitarian dictatorship. And frankly, I believe that USA and the West in general is already past the point of no return. There is no option of peaceful repair left. Only a great revolution or a great war.

[@jessadelix7415]

Elvira asking base camp for recommendations on what to do is a moment that shouldn’t be missed. Up until that point they turned down all assistance from men. Here she changes her view of it from a mission to prove herself and women everywhere as capable, to a mission to simply stay alive. I can only imagine the somber moment in their tents where they agreed to ask base camp on what to do...

[@isitoveryet9525]

Well, considering one of the female hikers was on the brink of death, I would hope that was the least of their concerns.

[@1bluetoe]

It sounds like the all of the climbers both male and female had no real freedom and were used to having to ask for permission.

[@genericpinesol]

You're cute

[@krashd]

All climbers everywhere ask base camp for advice regularly, that is what base camp is for, they have access to reports, communications with other expeditions and a clear view of the entire mountain.

[@theia1653]

Worse. Imagine being stranded on a mountain, battered by the howling snowstorm, cold and scared, and a group member is violently ill. That was before the blizzard supposedly blew everything away, including the tent, which doomed them for certain. It's possible someone did lose it.

[@lisalynnn]

I'm from a southern state that is about 600 feet elevation.I get mild altitude sickness when I visit my aunt in Gallup, New Mexico, which is at an elevation of 6k feet. I have no desire to climb mountains, but I'm addicted to your channel.

[@palmtrees2420]

Amazingly done video. Subbed.

[@susangavaghan]

It sounds like Elvira was somewhat over the top in not wanting tracks nor considering the fact that she may have needed help. I find it difficult to understand how anyone would risk their lives to climb mountains in the snow. Their ending was terrible. In fact I cannot imagine anything worse than stranded in a freezing cold mountain.

[@inconnu4961]

Burning to death! That has to be the one thing WORSE than freezing to death on a mountain!

[@susangavaghan]

@@inconnu4961 Yes, the latter is preferable.

[@OvelNick]

When you set out to prove someone wrong you've already lost important objectivity required to stay focused. I can't help but feel that it was part of the reason the ascent ended in tragedy. She pushed far beyond what she should have. The day before they made the summit run she was making comments about bad weather being a plus so as to cover the tracks so no one can say they followed the men. The choices made like to make camp away from everyone else seems child like and immature. She didn't want help of any kind and in any form until it was too late. She waited to ask medical advice until someone was already past the point of it being helpful. It has nothing to do with her being a woman. It is about selfish behavior and playing with the lives of others in order to feed her ego. That same kind of thinking isn't limited to the female population.

[@chastiefolstance8556]

@@OvelNick well said.

[@carlycrays2831]

@@OvelNick I really do think one of the reasons she held off about the vomiting was because she at first assumed it was just die to altitude sickness. That is reasonable. But the other reason is, yeah, she didn't want to admit that things were bad.

[@jimcub22]

I turned back from a scramble years ago due to the extreme cold, wind and rain, this would of made it very difficult on a loose rock climb. While we caught our breath we looked on astonished as a group of school kids came down in wellingtons and trainers and unsuitable clothing, these were not the only ones we passed they just don’t comprehend the dangers of weather.

[@kristinebailey6554]

I keep coming back to this video, it is so well done. The female you have narrating sounds so sincere and has great inflection when quoting that leader. It makes it feel like I am listening to that woman herself. Whatever you do, keep her on these videos! Such a sad, sad ending for those brave women.

[@sarahfelix4922]

About 4 years ago I started hearing voices and seeing things....never had any mental disorders or anything, so I spent 3 years honing in on these things, sharing in comment sections of interrogation rooms, ghost hunting and urban explorer videos, the apparent victums and haunting souls that I could clearly hear in the videos. I was more than ready to commit myself and get help, but all the sudden more and more people were commenting they heard stuff that I did too. Now, I see it as a gift of communication with the other side...and I truly believe those rescuers heard those women up there.... So sad...RIP you all are champions for getting up so far, it was the weather that stopped you, hopefully you are happy also for completing the summit....

[@weaselworm8681]

I don’t think the clicking was “futile” they were clicking while they still had the strength. They were communicating and they knew it. She was being as courageous as possible as long as possible. Admirable.

[@Dillon1099]

I never thought I'd hear a weasel or a worm accurately describe courage. Well done.

[@peterolbrisch1653]

Not going and living, very admirable.

[@4partmedia]

It was futile from the very start. Shitaiva thought herself greater than assistance, and refused any and all help until shit hit the fan. She did everything possible to be the worst climber- a head strong person who refused help in order to 'look good'. That is a doomed climb from the get go.

[@edgardaniels1402]

Makin me a sammich is pretty admirable!!

[@weaselworm8681]

@@peterolbrisch1653 you do the best you can. Even when you’ve got 15 seconds to live. Or you quit or never challenge yourself and live like a plant. It’s all part of who we are.

[@dead_or_alive2649]

One would have thought that the mountain’s first two separate deaths would have given the women pause. Looking back it appears to have been a sign of the tragedies about to occur in.

[@DonnaDeeTube]

As a slightly experienced climber, she made a ton of ridiculous mistakes and should not have gone without someone more experienced. Even if this mountain was considered safe, she was not trained to deal with emergencies. The fact that they diagnosed her sick friend as having liver issues is so telling of their ignorance. It’s really sad.

[@harpoon_bakery162]

what do you mean "even if this mountain was considered safe"?

[@Eye_Of_Odin978]

@@harpoon_bakery162 Some mountains are considered to be safer climbs than others. It depends on the conditions, the weather, and the mountain itself. This was was most certainly NOT considered even remotely safe as it was a high-risk climb.

[@harpoon_bakery162]

@@Eye_Of_Odin978 worse than Everest (excluding death-zone risks which I assume Anapurna did not have as much climbing in the death-zone)

[@gomahklawm4446]

You left out pride and ego....that cost their lives....

[@dergeradeweg1413]

I climb too. Climbs like this I would never even do. Anyone brave enough to do them should be so fucking cautious and wary. None of this ‘tough it out shit’. You turn back! I think i’d rather climb Al Capitan without a rope than do one of these climbs.

[@mchapman132]

Remarkable women. Refusing help was very foolish. They would have lived to try again to conquer the mountain. Sadly, they let their pride and ego conquer them. RIP

[@lolotaeja3911]

.Mountaineering at this level is brutal and completely unforgiving. Regardless of gender. All these women were expert climbers and highly experienced. Weather cares not about gender. RIP to all the climbers who have succumbed over the few hundred years humans have been challenging mountains.

[@dr.floridaman4805]

Sexist feminists do not care about the words of a weatherMAN

[@emilygalloway4865]

@Jim Blogs It doesn't sound like any other team was near the summit when the weather turned bad, hence why no other team was effected. The Japanese team near the summit was there well after the women and they, along with all other teams were unable to reach them when base camp declared the emergency due to the weather. The team made decisions based on the best information available from the weather report and the advice of base camp, I'm doubtful that they or base camp could have made any other "right choice" that that would lead to their lives being saved. Calling the arrogant, especially on the basis of their genders presumes that they could have done something, while in reality going later seems like the only thing that may have made a difference in the outcome.

[@TheFreshTrumpet]

well said. can’t help but look at these replies and lol at the guy in the pinned thread who said “no ones making this a gender thing.” Some ppl are stuck with middle school-level worldviews ig

[@dr.floridaman4805]

@@TheFreshTrumpet the view that ONLY women have babies and only failed male athletes can break women's records, when they plaY dress up.

[@FingerinUrDaughter]

realistically speaking, weather dosent "care" about anything because its not alive, but it is FAR more harsh on females than males due to the physical limitations of females.

[@houseofsolomon2440]

I get it. They wanted to do it on their own. Sorry it didn't work out. "Ego knows no gender". - Confucius

[@mountaingoat8788]

True

[@janebailey8032]

I've always thought ego is one of our worst enemies regarding the human condition.

[@janedoe-hq9vn]

Very well done! Thanks!

[@rockymnthodad3047]

Most sad story.., I feel men and woman do not necessarily have to compete against one another, as we know that when both work well together the whole is always stronger than the two pieces alone. RIP ladies.

[@missycitty9478]

I will never understand why people have such strong desires to risk their lives. Mountain climbing, cave diving, are the two that confuse me the most. Let's climb so high our bodies literally start deteriorating fast....let's crawl underground in tight , dirty, dark spots that we can barely get through... Sorry but I just don't and will never get it.

[@jonathanrayne]

Me either

[@queengoblin]

Same I've got millions of years of evolution running through my body telling me how to respect nature.

[@missycitty9478]

@@queengoblin Exactly.

[@drats1279]

There are adventurous risk-takers Missy who live their life to the fullest and there are those who tread carefully wherever they go and whatever they do. The timid souls will never understand what it is like to conquer their fears and experience what living is all about. Be safe in your cocoon and don't let the bed bugs bite.

[@jonathanrayne]

@@drats1279 They also won't freeze to death on the side of a fucking mountain. Good trade-off.

[@LK-bz9sk]

What a unique way of telling this story via the radio transmissions. I had never heard this story before. Thanks for producing and posting

[@Iolo3]

I watched this and concluded that yes, cause of tragedy was ultimately due to unexpected bad weather conditions however there was definitely 1 major mistake which makes no sense if they were supposedly experienced climbers. Most climbers know that it is "very bad" to be reaching summit too late in the day as it will get dark soon and difficult to descend on the same day due to poor visibility. Weather high up in the mountain also usually gets worse during the evenings. Theoretically this tragedy wouldn't have happened if they had summitted as per their original schedule and not delaying by 1 day. Even with their revised schedule, they should have been able to descend on the same day of summit if they had properly planned their start time to reach summit earlier in the day. Finally, one additional concern was the team's apparent lack of awareness on high altitude sickness symptoms. That all said, it was really sad to realize that no one survived in the end.

[@gomahklawm4446]

Ego and pride you mean. Male teams behind them survived....

[@garyschultz7768]

First I've heard about this I'll fated women's adventure ... We learn by our mistakes as much as from our success..Thanks for posting

[@katemaloney4296]

It doesnt matter how smart, strong, fast, or accomplished you are; it doesnt matter how many glass ceilings you've shattered or what's between your legs. When you decide to challenge nature because you think it is inferior to you, you will lose. . . everytime.

[@lunatune3714]

Well no...people challenge nature all the time and usually win....they dont usually die which is why these stories make the news.

[@qbasic16]

🙌

[@NotSure109]

A bigot got what she deserved, nothing of value was lost.

[@auralplex]

This was one of the best, most haunting mountain stories I’ve ever heard of. With the music and dialogue, it’s very good.

[@Lbg-ne6tc]

Such a sad tale, but a beautiful ending, everybody coming together to bring those girls back down. RIP.

[@jaysalazar4977]

Some beautiful people in the world came together to hrlp rebury the woman. The thought of finding your wife in the snow is so so sad .. Peace be with you

[@czechraiser]

Boy, that reprimand was certainly a timely and key piece of help there.

[@hicknopunk]

Sure was, it changed everything 🤣

[@nickbrown9163]

The official transcript was different from this video. He told her mountain climbing is for men, and reprimanded her for leaving the kitchen.

[@taxman3749]

A reprimand in that context is more like a military reprimand. It is an official punishment more than anything else. It marked her as a failure as a leader, since she didn't report the situation to save her pride. Reprimands like that are issued to, for example, squad leaders who don't perform their job correctly, and men die needlessly in combat under their command. Essentially, as a leader, she is a failure -- she caused the death of her comrades.

[@gomahklawm4446]

If she didn't die, she should have been jailed. Her ego, pride, and arrogance cost lives.

[@theia1653]

The Shatayeva incident is just as eerie as Dyatlov Pass and Kamar Daban. They said their stuff was blown away by a blizzard. The last transmission was from someone not Shatayeva saying there are two left and they will die soon. But when the site was investigated, there was a kettle on a rock that should have been blown away in a blizzard and the tent was torn up. It could not have been destroyed by a blizzard but rather, someone going insane. Even someone from a nearby group said it wasn't how it happened.

[@Sanakudou]

Seems odd that information would be left out if it were true, it would change the entire story. Do you know whereabouts that was reported/where one can read about it? Are there photos like there were with Dyatlov Pass?

[@mauricedavis8261]

Thank you for the additional information!!!🙏👍😎

[@dfuher968]

I have not heard of Kamar Daban, I will have to look that up. But Dyatlov Pass has been conclusively solved within the last couple years, there was nothing supernatural or conspiratorial about it. And yet ppl keep making conspiracy videos about Dyatlov....

[@jeffstrom164]

@@dfuher968 the conclusive evidence of dyatlav isn't conclusive. The weight of so little snow couldn't have crushed a skull. The conclusions made rely on the people reading having no experience with bad weather and snow. I'm not saying that it was something supernatural, just that the evidence provided as conclusive does more to disprove the arrived at conclusion than to support it.

[@mikeoxmall3847]

Not even close! No one knows what happened in the Dyatlov pass where as it's very obvious what killed these ppl.

[@diyardley5213]

An excellent video, put together so well. I felt I was living it with them. Thank you for such a sensitive and informative film. I've subscribed.

[@carolescutt2257]

❤❤very well presented one of the best and detailed on here rip my fellow ladies😢

[@LindysEpiphany]

I cannot believe that I have never heard of this tragedy before! I was only 8yrs old when it happened but since the Everest disaster in 1996 I've been intrigued by climbing accidents. Trying to comprehend why climbers will subject themselves to so many risks just to climb to the top of a mountain.🤯Blows my mind! Thank you for the great content. New sub!👍

[@hotflush]

Same

[@cincin4515]

Which Everest disaster? There's dozens. Corpses everywhere up there.

[@Owen-sr4ff]

Just look up 1996 Everest tragedy. 8 people died in one night

[@benisaten]

Bro this was horrific. Sadly Never heard of this tragedy.

[@easygoing2479]

This happened in the old Soviet Union. With the Soviet Union, very little news was ever let out by the state media; it was strictly censored. That's a communist ploy... like they're doing here in the U.S. now under this new Marxist rule. Everyone will be kept dumb.

[@eirschu8973]

@@easygoing2479 Soviets were more educated than States will ever be.

[@randomuser5443]

@@eirschu8973 Remind me which side of germany improved when the wall fell down

[@irishpsalteri]

I was unaware of this event. Well told, a tragic tale.

[@johnc2438]

I grew up and lived a large part of my life in Southern California. Every year -- several times each year, it seemed -- people from the city would go up and promptly get lost in the San Gabriel Mountains. I've been in, around, on, and through these mountains for decades and never could figure out why people got lost (some dying) in these mountains. But it happened regularly... and probably still does.

[@OtomoTenzi]

Maybe they they were lookin' to DIE??? 🤔

[@marthas.4456]

The call of the nature / mountains is very strong for some people. They don't go there to die, they go into mountains to experience life. If you never were interested in mountains you never will understand this. Of course we have to be careful and apply common sense about everything, especially in precarious situations.

[@charleslindbergh8222]

"Oops! I set my tent, shovel, and sleeping bag down and the wind blew them away. Can I borrow yours?"

[@zerodegrekelvin2]

As a Canadian, I can feel the cold from your narration!

[@slicingonions4398]

Her: We are stuck in the storm we are dying Him: I’m writing you a reprimand 🤓

[@hxjjdjd606]

That was beforehand, the reprimand was for not reporting a sick teammate

[@curbyourshi1056]

Women vs Women. A story heard through the ages...

[@kkormanik]

Very interesting story that I have never heard before. Thank you for the information. As a woman I have to say it’s sad that woman then and today feel the need to prove their ability to do things totally on their own. This was no walk in the park so when things seemed dire they should have requested help. Pride comes before a fall. Whether men or women who climb when their egos gets in the way of safety they really don’t belong on a mountain. There are plenty of bodies to prove my point.

[@mikhailserebrennikov7017]

I knew Boris Kletsko , who was in that base camp doing one if the communications, he was working at Leningrad Television, was doing sport’s programming. I remember him very well since I was a kid, remember his TV Family show.unfortunately, after long illness he had died in 2001.

[@ttenkrut]

Great upload.

[@snwa404]

Many people write about their ego, but they just tried to fight for be considered and treated as equal people, not like a minor sort of humans in mountaineering sport. Women had to fight for equality for centuries

[@smithsmithson1610]

Pride and hubris, regardless of gender, drags people to their doom

[@harrypotts1299]

nah... just women!

[@roberthatch6153]

@@harrypotts1299 who hurt you Harry

[@trsidn]

seems like she was fairly modest in her hubris on this one. Chosen as one of the less challenging peaks to practice on.

[@paulabrown6840]

Weak men with big egos commenting here.

[@harrypotts1299]

@@paulabrown6840 LOL. If a team of men refused all help from women then I am sure you would be outraged, no?

[@RedcoatsReturn]

They proved themselves on several peaks before the tragedy. Nature will always be stronger than any of us and severe weather changes are common in the alps, the higher they are, the more severe and unpredictable the risks, avalanche snow storm or other, on any day. Its just a very, very dangerous sport intrinsically…man..or…woman. May they RIP 😔

[@wl9399]

the desire to conquer another one is unstoppable, almost addictive. Yes, may they RIP.

[@ghosttowntomato]

She literally didn't climb a single peak worth noting in the realm of high difficulty. She was a Soviet pawn of propaganda, dude

[@howdareyouexist]

@@ghosttowntomato exactly

[@beverlyhitchon4901]

I have never understood anyone, male or female who puts their lives at such risk for what I see as an ego trip. However, that's because I'm a coward who doesn't like cold or pain! I use ego trip lightly, not as an insult, because I can understand that just like some of us collect things or have hobbies that can be addictive and all consuming, so too is mountain climbing. I can't help but think that Elvira had quite an ego given that she couldn't stand any men being involved or offering help, and her ego put all of them in danger, such a terribly sad story for all of them and their poor families left behind. Very well told and I had never heard of this before so thank you. Please no hate replies I'm not criticising Elvira because she's a woman, I'm criticising her judgement calls, that's all. As a last note, I do think that all the climbers (male and probably female as well) coming forward to retrieve the bodies, is a true testament to the fact that they acknowledged these women as fellow climbers and that's a really heartfelt thing to do.

[@THEbeautifuLIE]

There is nothing cowardly about being grounded in reason, my friend. Your comment was spot-on!💯

[@beverlyhitchon4901]

Thank you for that. Very much appreciated. 💖

[@MrPagevideos]

Thanks for sharing. They made a series of poor but deliberate decisions and it cost eight precious lives. It's a very sad event, more so because it was preventable.

[@leanie5234]

Poor decision making has been at the root of many tragedies; males and females have chosen badly. It is particularly sad if bullying led to this group marching unwisely into catastrophe. Gender did not determine the outcome, but it may have influenced the poor timing of the offset.

[@eiliswalsh9293]

What decisions? The only poor decision I perceive that may have influenced the outcome in a way that was foreseeable was that they chose to scale the mountain during the year it took its first two lives-which perhaps should have been justification to delay the trip. It seems that everything else that went wrong (poor visibility, sickness, hypothermia, loss of equipment) were the result of adverse weather conditions that nobody could anticipate or control.

[@TheQueensWish]

It was not preventable. So therefore there were no deliberate and poor decisions. When you have zero visibility that is the condition. There is nothing for you to decide about it if you are already stuck at the top. Descent was not possible. You need much better listening skills because you missed key points of this video. Learn to be a better listener. Give this group respect. They did all they could but froze. All visibility was gone and all gear blew away.

[@falconetti1250]

LIFE....nobody gets out alive....one way or the other

[@knititwearit]

I always say this

[@SeemsLogical]

This video is my favorite on the channel and part of that is the comments. I have no clue about mountaineering and a lot of you have insightful stories or personal experiences that add to try the video. I come back every so often to see if anything new has been written about.

[@ReaVen443]

Cue in Darkest Dungeon: "Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer" And add in this: "You cant fight nature, when she decides your time is up, pray she reconsiders."

[@OtomoTenzi]

So the message is clear: You gamble with your own life or the lives of others, and you will FUCKING DIE... Any questions? 🤔

[@eddiec4536]

Amazing true story. First time I have ever heard of this tragedy. Your narration was superb. Thank you for sharing.

[@stargater2892]

This was beautifully done. A tribute to the women as well as sportsmanship following their deaths. May they rest in peace.

[@Eye_Of_Odin978]

I'm glad they're gone. They shouldn't be enshrined in ANYTHING except maybe a museum for stupid, ideologically-blinded zealots who died doing dumb things :)

[@kenhofer8063]

B.S sportsmanship putting their life in danger

[@rsblanchette]

Sports “woman” ship