The Liberal Leadership Contest: Siegel, Thalmann, Ronellenfitsch, McDonald and Guy | The Herle Burly

[@DustinFuller-ze3yl]

Great pod, David! Thank you for putting this together and hats off to your guests for sharing!

[@rometimed1382]

Lol I dont feel bad for the government but i feel a little bad for Herle putting in work for this episode and all the comments are hating that it is all Liberals. I appreciate it. I frankly truly dislike how this has gone and is going but it helps to see what is important to Liberals.

[@pt93music]

Quick question, if as everyone suggests Pierre is not popular. And people just hated Trudeau, why is it that Pierre’s numbers keep going up even though Trudeau has resigned

[@rometimed1382]

I don't think Pierre is that popular and I'm gonna vote for his party. I know progressives hate him and I know that many don't know about him much at all.

[@pt93music]

keep believing what the media tells you. And don’t believe you’re lying eyes I guess. I think Pierre is much more popular than people want to give him credit for.

[@rudycandu1633]

I honestly have no knowledge of Poilievre. (stopped watching politics years ago) But I am going to vote for him anyway. I don't particularly care for the conservatives. I'm sure they are going to do harm, just as the Liberals have. Its just that it is the other teams turn.

[@pt93music]

@@rudycandu1633I think you perfectly summed up the liberals biggest issue. Voters are under no illusions that the conservatives will fuck up. But they know for certain that they will be a more responsible government than the liberals.

[@philcharles238]

You answered your own question. He JUST resigned. Give it two weeks. I don't envision a huge turnaround, but I do think the polls on March 24 will be a better indicator of Trudeau's departure.

[@bytownbylaw]

Canada has never been weaker

[@stevebuchanan4806]

As the guy that invented DID's and in some small way contributed to the end of the delegated convention, I am flabbergasted that the state of the institution has come to the point that Jack cannot concicly layout the pathway ahead. I left the party when it went lefter and nuttier than the dippers but today I'm pissed where the Party has left us as a Nation. LPC will be laid to rest with the PCPofC in 2025.

[@baldwinyeah7042]

The sad and shameful part about all this is that due to the incredible selfish act on the part of JT, Canada and the Liberal party are in deep trouble.

[@timmanto1022]

Leaders are built on hubris. From Biden to Trump you don't become a public facing figure without having a certain level of being a true believer in yourself. That you are saviour a bit of a Messiah complex.

[@gk7733]

I’m a capital C conservative although I enjoy Herle’s podcast. Never before has a government been so intrusive in our lives as Swiftie’s. I’m gonna get a free membership and vote Baylis. Kudos to him for that $300 million liberal insider contract he scored to make respirators during the Covid boondoggle. He’s so compromised it’s painful. He doesn’t stand a chance.

[@LindaJnorthof9]

Liberal volunteer here, I cross check all our new riding registrations with our voter database. If they are not there, they get a phone call or email.

[@jacktoulouse5390]

Canadians: Can’t afford housing or food. Liberals: Will this election be about Trump? And they wonder why they are behind in the polls.

[@oldtimer7979]

The way in which PM Justin Trudeau set the terms to his resignation and prorogation, left the Caucus, Liberal MPs, and more importantly, parliament and Canada in a precarious place. It is noteworthy that Minister LeBlanc decided to not run for the leadership of the LPC, instead focussing on his service, duty and dedication to Canada, especially at this time given the changing and dynamic relationship between Canada and the USA. Sometimes politics is a long game. It would be wise for caucus and the LPC to respond to the PM by deferring a leadership race until after prorogation, ask the PM to end prorogation because parliament has supremacy over the PM and the governing party, and should the gov't not survive a confidence vote, until after an election. Then the LPC can hold a leadership race in earnest at its own time and choosing, and the new leader can rebuild the LPC without any baggage from the Trudeau era. This in my estimation would be in the best interest of Canada, parliament and allow the Liberal Party of Canada to hold its head high and honour its esteemed history and role in Canada and its governance. This would not be lost on Canadians and especially those Canadians who are and have been Liberal supporters and wish to be so again. The LPC also needs to demonstrate that as an institution, it is bigger than its leader, Justin Trudeau. If the leadership race goes ahead in haste against the deadline of the end of prorogation, the LPC is shooting itself in both feet with confidence. The aftermath will leave the LPC in disarray, making the rebuilding of the party much more difficult.

[@timmanto1022]

Liberals will be a Blue Grit Party built on a Free Enterprise Coalition of voters for the next decade. The NDP can't organize for shit as a fellow ndper. They can't close to save there lives and it infuriates me to no end. Liberals need to be campaigning for the official opposition. Run to survive. And you win by surviving. Sad to see.

[@mulletforyou]

Brett Thalmann seems delusional about how much excitement there is for the Liberal party.

[@oldtimer7979]

David, THE fundamental problem the LPC has with the current slate of possible candidates is that changing Justin Trudeau for another Liberal leader now is like shitting your pants and changing your shirt. Probably the worst of the lot is Mark Carney as he would continue the policy and legislative directives provided by his wife and Gerald Butts, both which work at Eurasia Group, an ongoing recipient of sole source Climate consulting contracts from the Trudeau gov't.

[@JCJCfromBC]

Libs need a Hail Mary: Christy Clark. Unconnected to the current bunch, fiscally responsible, and the best campaigner by far. A mon avis, il n'est pas absolument necessaire que Christy parle francais.

[@Griff1984]

I tried to listen but just can't. In Davids eyes this is about party over country and it has showed since Monday. One small quibble, Trudeau has yet to resign. He is set to resign at a later date. I only say this well because...events, dear boy, events.

[@rometimed1382]

I listened. It's a good lesson on what is wrong with politics today. The last week of Liberals talking has been... Certainly eye opening.

[@Griff1984]

@@rometimed1382 I've listened to plenty of centre left podcasts since the announcement on Monday. Getting into the weeds about what I expect to be a very divisive race for 2 hours is a pass for me. I don't think the Liberals come out of this clean. Secondarily I listened to the Paul Wells podcast yesterday. It was with a woman who has recently been in the party apparatus. Her view was way more clear eyed than what I have heard from Herle so far.

[@2007Lynx2007]

This Pollster woman must be nervous or she's a terrible speaker.

[@JamesMcNeillmcneilmortgages]

David, who the F cares. Anyone talking the position will lose.

[@forklaundry]

Oh, my goodness, this is too much scrutiny of the Liberal party's navel. I hope Cory's on the next episode.

[@Marcel-u9i]

I'd go Notley and combine the NDP vote. Not going to convince anyone you're going back to the middle. Course I'm conservative, so delete lol

[@stevebuchanan4806]

PS Jack, my new banknotes where stapled to membership forms from alternating ridings in every region and were never rejected. Dummies were the campaigns that didn't get different team members to sign family membership forms and keep quiet and the skeleton closet door being opened.

[@timmanto1022]

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith as the next LPC leader only because of Social Media type leader. Target 60 reach for 90 seats. I am thinking of moving away from the NDP and moving towards the Liberals. The party needs a more non-woke blue grit leader. It will mirror the OLP race imo.

[@jaredspruyt2069]

I just signed up to vote. I'm a card carrying conservative. The foreign interference guy is getting my vote. Why should I not have a say in who our next PM is?

[@gc6854]

Too Liberal today.

[@forklaundry]

Thanks for the warning

[@rometimed1382]

It's ok. It simply reminds me why the country is where it is

[@FlagrantJelly]

Hearing a lot of party over country on this episode

[@jacktoulouse5390]

“Why can’t we just have the CEO over at Power Corp choose the leader like the good old days?” Implied, but not said.

[@wildbillwilmoth98]

Its a status quo election. Does Canada want to embrace the change Trudeau led or do you want a bit of the old school Canada. I hear Wokeism and Affordability are bit issues. Trudeau did too much too quickly and lost the faith of voters. If he had done his biggest regret PR electoral system he would have lost in 2019 and would have been a one term Prime Minister. Tories have had the popular vote since 2019. Nothing has really changed. I am a Market New Democrat and realize that Poilievre was inevitable. He was the ordained successor since Trudeau won in 2015. Liberals need 90 seats.

[@vinyalonde]

I have come to see this podcast as essential to understanding Canadian politics. This long form works. Thank you for providing it.

[@gc6854]

As long as you remember 2 are Liberal.

[@bytownbylaw]

@@gc6854I can listen whilst not being a Liberal. I refuse to live in a bubble.

[@vinyalonde]

@@gc6854 The moderator is more than fair and in all the sessions I have watched, the coverage has been fair and balanced, They don't just toe the party line; they have an open and forthright discussion. I don't typecast them, choosing instead taking them at their word.

[@karinturkington2455]

François-Phillip Champage reminds me of Jeff Sessions - a garden gnome, but with the voice of a yappy dog. Re: Freeland's letter - Did she write that letter herself? We will never know. We need to stop assuming she wrote it when you consider her fumbling public presentations. Voice matters as does physical appearance.

[@Bailey_iQ]

What stops an American with Canadian ancestry from signing up? I’ll update this comment if I can lie my way into the Liberal membership. Update: I’m now a registered member. Someone living in Chestemere, AB will be getting my membership papers soon. Let’s hope they prevent me from voting- else I’d be foreign interference. I know in my State, once registering no mail verification is sent by the parties. However, our primaries are very structured, so we have to vote at an in-person polling station (AND, both parties in the State of Florida require a DL/State ID to register… the liberal’s didn’t ask me for an ID- but maybe that’s OK… I have an interest in the leader of our 51st state after all…).

[@sherrygaley4675]

I really appreciate this kind of in-depth discussion David. The regular media never gets into this level of detail. As far as the Liberal leadership goes, we need to face the fact that these are not normal times. The party MUST take account of the Trump factor. What most mainstream Canadians now want is a smart fighter who can defend Canadian values and the Canadian economy against attacks from the south. Nobody wants a recession. And nobody wants to be bullied by Trump. If Poilievre succeeds in positioning himself that way he has a good chance. But he may also be perceived as a Trump lite character which could work against him with non-right wing Canadians. So hopefully the Liberal party will pick a leader who campaigns as a savvy, strong and creative leader who really gets the way Canadians are feeling and what we’re most afraid of.

[@gregrider3364]

Why the hell didn't prorogation go 3 months to give themselves time

[@gc6854]

Courts are going to throw out prorogue by Trudeau.

[@bytownbylaw]

I highly doubt that, respectfully

[@Niko-iv4ch]

They should. Of all things we have seen go against our Constitutional norms over the years, this one takes the cake.

[@stefanklietsch5500]

@@Niko-iv4ch It is part of the unwritten constitution of Canada that the Governor General (on behalf of the crown) almost always accepts the advice of the executive (i.e. prorogation). The courts over-ruling the Governor General would mean that the courts are effectively rewriting, as opposed to enforcing, the Constitution.

[@Niko-iv4ch]

@@stefanklietsch5500 "Unwritten" Supreme court in UK ruled Boris Johnsons Prorogation didn't pass the smell test. We are in a serious crisis right now. We have a Neville Chamberlain government, when we require a strong Churchill to stand up for Canada's Interests. Unwritten rule is when Parliament is frozen for 4 months, the PM goes to Governor General to call an election.