The Libertines on MERRY OLD ENGLAND political implications-Rough Trade East-London, UK-April 8, 2024

[@bbsewwge]

thank you whoever you are "baby j" loved this interview as a whole and thanks for uploading it!

[@nicolahayes6530]

beautiful and truthful song

[@ruthbailey5636]

Excellent discussion of a great track. Thanks for recording and uploading.

[@mathewsnook3803]

Gary, well said

[@sagbdadbadgtedg]

What did he say that was well said?

[@barthyb]

I agree with Carl with regards to looking at it from all angles, especially from watching the video. There is good and bad in everything.

[@incognitosecret2377]

Shoutout to Gary! Thats exactly what I got from the song!

[@donnaspears1970]

❤❤

[@JC-jr9hw]

Interesting that they can’t seem to agree on what the song means. When I first heard it and read the lyrics, I got a distinct Morrissey-esque anti-immigration vibe but maybe I missed something. Pete and Carl have always admittedly had this idealized romanticized version of old Albion so I wonder if the modern England with it’s immigration crisis is somehow it odds with their vision. They’d never admit it because it would be bad PR and potentially get them canceled, but that was the initial vibe I got.

[@steevburgess2627]

That's just not true. Look at Hogarth's paintings and many others fir a start

[@niconico8849]

English lesson for french People 🤣🥰🥰

[@floflems458]

Hello why please?

[@jameskemp8287]

Gary is overstating it a bit. He's talking about the Aurelian Moors who were a troop of about 500 North African moors, but that's out of 18,000 strong of Romans on the wall. So to say that black people built Hadrian's wall is not okay. History aside - Gary is incredibly annoying. This entire panel he talks over people and answers one question by going off on such a long tangent that has nothing to do with the question and just talks and talks and talks. He reminds me of the energy vampire Colin in What We Do In the Shadows. He's such an annoying narcissist. I always think about how he was not part of the band but a hired gun brought in to record the demos to send to rough trade and then they just stuck with him. He is not reflective of the band at all. Though he's a good drummer he's not an artist. Can't look at him without thinking of the word "poser"

[@jameskemp8287]

@theworstguy390 actually its personal beef with annoying ignorant people alert.. like you. But at least you KNOW you're annoying by labeling yourself "the worst guy" so can't fault you for that cause you actually come with a warning label. Keep calm and carry on being the worst guy

[@maryburke5423]

@@jameskemp8287please cite yr information. Particularly the figures.

[@user-hg6vd2iz7m]

youre just mad he is expressing his opinion. funny position to take when it’s a discussion format

[@jameskemp8287]

@@user-hg6vd2iz7m Where in my comment does it say I'm mad? You're making an assumption when I clearly said "annoyed." Perhaps you can't read. Secondly, do you know what an opinion is? I think you don't. He's spouting misinformation as facts, not opinions. That's the difference. He's not like "in my opinion it was all black people that built Hadrians wall". He does not state that it's his opinion. Instead he states it as a fact, as though he's giving a university lecture to this audience, but he's giving false information.

[@user-hg6vd2iz7m]

@@jameskemp8287 type "definition of opinion" in google and behold. you are mad because his opinion doesn't suit your preferences. the lack of a preface to qualify it beforehand doesn't matter much to me because everyone can say whatever they'd like. I know you are mad because you are insulting him by calling him a poser and that he doesn't belong. in my opinion, you might be one of those people who are cool with black people as long as they toe your line.

[@sagbdadbadgtedg]

The drummer is talking absolute nonsense here. There were basically no blacks in the UK before WW2.

[@goldenboyproductions2740]

Agreed. He probably watched Bridgerton and got confused.

[@sagbdadbadgtedg]

@@adamb1130 'Generally recognised' doesn't mean it's true. The UK is currently rewriting history to make it seem like blacks have always been in the UK which they haven't.

[@adamb1130]

@@sagbdadbadgtedg no, the UK in the post-Brexit era has fallen to maniacs that disregard evidence and research from experts in their fields just so they can drive through their horrific racism.

[@adamb1130]

That's not true, it is generally recognised that 1% of London was black in the 1780s - that's about 10,000 people. That's a significant number, certainly not "no black". Before WW2 Liverpool especially had a significant black population too.

[@sagbdadbadgtedg]

@@adamb1130 Why are you posting the same rubbish as before?