The LMP2 Class will be REMOVED from WEC

[@wendigockel]

Don't worry, LMP2 fans. The LMP2 class will live on in regional endurance championships like the ELMS, the Asian LeMans series and IMSA.

[@schiedinator8074]

with super crap coverage, hell yeah

[@Halliday57]

@@schiedinator8074 what coverage are you watching? ELMS, ALMS are free on KZbin and IMSA is free on their website if you’re outside the US and they show the LMP2 battles better than WEC did

[@joshuawhelan9358]

​@schiedinator8074 yeah, watching free races on yt is real crap

[@deano_saurier]

And the 24 hours of LeMans right?

[@schiedinator8074]

I mean the free stream is great, but otherwise the media coverage is non existant except for hardcore racing fans. ELMS and ALMS are just series no one really cares about compared to WEC. IMSA is fine. I hope they at least uncap LMP2s in ELMS, cause now they don't have hypercars in their way.

[@f87max30]

In a few years, when Hypercar budgets spiral out of control, LMP2 will be back as the cost effective alternative it always was.

[@bocahdongo7769]

....why people keep having dementia with LMDh

[@sdx3918]

I just hope the next gen P2 regs fixes the problem of LMP2 being the "Use Oreca or you're trolling" championship.

[@michawozniak5492]

If each track could host 50 cars, I still see possibility to retain LMP2 in WEC. 12 spots for LMP2 would still make interesting racing where Hypercar drivers need to show skill in fast overtaking of LMP2 cars not to waste time on track behind them. 2 classes for 2024 will certainly make live easier for Hypercars because of difference in speed between GT3 and Hypercars. IMHO 3 classes was and is the best option for multi-class racing. If the LMP2 would remain part of WEC I still think one could fill those 9 leaving spots with teams from ELMS and ALMS. (2nd Europol car, Cool Racing etc)

[@grzegorzdurka3505]

LMP2 did not collapse. It's simply too cheap, too fast, too light. It doesn't fit in WEC where big brands are coming back with their Hypercars. These teams would easily be replaced by many others, see what this ELMS season will look like with unlocked LMP2 cars.

[@WyldStallion-bs9oo]

I for one love that LMP2 is gone. Its field fillers for me. Always has been.

[@Milton_Valenzuela]

Not to mention it's a spec series. That does not fit the general identity of sportscar racing

[@WyldStallion-bs9oo]

@@Milton_Valenzuela Exactly! Facts Milton

[@xmixdx7351]

@@Milton_Valenzuela i really like the idea of a cheap spec class of cars, but i do agree that it doesnt fit in the wec, and how it is right now is probably the best it could be, have regional endurance championships run the lmp2 class and have the best of those combine with the WEC to run the class in the 24hrs of Le Mans

[@Iamwolf134]

Now, TBF, LMDh is technically based on the four LMP2 chassis from Oreca, Ligier, Dallara, and Multimatic, so it's not completely gone.

[@effisjens1776]

For me, this always was a matter of grid space rather than lack of entries. Guarenteed there are lots of ELMS/IMSA teams waiting to get a crack at WEC (assuming they have the budget of course). United autosport and Inter europol i think would have stayed if they kept the class for the full season, with the rest being filled up by ELMS/IMSA teams. Plenty of takers i'd imagine. If Hypercar/GTP somehow descends in a financial crisis (wich i don't see happening... Yet), i see LMP2 being reactivated to "save" the series. So no, this really isn't a downfall at all. Just less exposure.

[@bocahdongo7769]

I Mean. LMDh is right there

[@MultiChorlo]

They took up precious grid space and they are no public magnet because they are not associated with any car manufacturer like hypercar and gt3

[@houseyUK]

This is it really and for me, we need to see some differentiation in design in Hypercar too as they do look very same like. I look back to Group C and how you felt all the different manufactures were there. Hypercar needs work on that aspect I think.

[@Maenfy]

​@@houseyUKYeah the Peugeot without a wing looks like the Toyota, I agree.

[@MultiChorlo]

@@Maenfy 😂

[@mathewhosier9739]

I dunno if anything has changed but i dont hear anyone mentioning that 2024 was set to be the final year of the current lmp2 regulations, and 2025 was supposed to be the first year of what imsa was calling next gen lmp2, with new regulations and new chassis from Dallara, Ligier, Multimatic and Oreca, which is what current lmdh teams are using for their own chassis but with their own bodies, for example Porsche is using a next gen Multimatic lmp2 chassis but with their own body applied on top of the next gen Multimatic lmp2 chassis, both BMW and Cadillac using Dallara chassis, both Acura and Alpine using next gen Oreca chassis and Lamborghini using a next gen Ligier chassis

[@koraxi8958]

I read something similar a while back, that LMP2 was not being axed, but carefully being revised for 2026. lmp2 never was supposed to be a spec series but certainly became that way with the Oreca chassis dominating everything, hence making it pointless for any of the other chassis providers including the 3 you mentioned to continue to sell anything, because obviously everyone would want to buy the META. I mean heck even LMP3 has like 2 two chassis to chose from.

[@LeeePowers]

Next gen LMP2 will be a spec,F2 derived big turbo V6. Alpine or Mechacrome.

[@aojracing4885]

@@koraxi8958 Yup. I think there's a Dallara LMP2 racing IMSA this year though, nice to see at least a slight bit of variety.

[@gijsje0015]

Really going to miss lmp2 in the wec it was a fun class but what you mensioned about a next gen lmp2 category i hope it Will become something like the young driver programs like in f2 (for example Ferrari drive in hypercar with the 499p but also have a team in the lmp2 class with runner up drivers)

[@AloneRacecar]

Well that’s a little bit of a surprise that LMP2 will not be a part of the WEC anymore. But it’s good to know that they’re will be a place for them to race somewhere in the world of racing. 👍

[@Gizfreek]

In the one hand, it's sad that those smaller, often private teams get kicked out of the WEC, on the other, the Hypercar Class has so many spots already taken up that I'm not really surprised, especially when the upcoming GT3 gets stronger as well. To play devil's advocate here, it streamlines the WEC lineup and makes it easier for new fans with only two categories (where we also have to differentiate between LMH, LMDh, with/without hybrid) instead of the four we got used to; and it makes ELMS stronger with LMP2 only there.

[@Bulldawg7]

Dude you deserve so many more subscribers. One of the best racing channels by far.

[@FormulaJonah]

Thank you 🙏

[@jegilles6824]

Can't be upset that manufacturers are here to support the WEC with Hypercar and LMGT3. Also excited that the LMP2 class now receives more power after having to be nerfed in order to slot in behind hypercar.

[@SPMinerva]

I like LMP2. My first Le Mans was 2021. And LMP2 really shines that year, WRT car stop at the last lap, JOTA and other WRT battle it out until the final straight.

[@nomiguda]

It's a shame to lose the secondary class from WEC but I prefer accepting willing manufacturers to the top class, which compete for overall victory, to maintaining LMP2 in the series. If there's interest for hypercar then let them come. We will have nine makes next year. Four LMH in Toyota, Peugeot, Ferrari and Isotta Fraschini, and five LMDh in Porsche, Cadillac, BMW, Lamborghini and Alpine. The sport of top level endurance prototype racing has only once featured this many different manufacturers at the top level - and when it did, it was considered the Golden Era. And it had no secondary class - something the modern WEC does feature, again flush with 9 manufacturers. WEC is in a fantastic position and I can't wait for the 1812km of Qatar next march. Next season is going to be exciting.

[@TheAlphaDingo]

Is LMGT3 the same as LMGTE AM? Or is there a difference between the 2 categories?

[@Maenfy]

LMGTE AM used GTE cars while LMGT3 will use GT3 cars. There are quite a few differences. They will have the same driver pairings though.

[@williamford9564]

Like you, I don't see a future for LMP2 in WEC UNLESS somewhere down the road some of the manufacturers pull out of Hyper Car, possibly due to costs which has occurred more than once in the FIA's prior prototype series. And I also wonder if LMP 2 will even exist after 2025. If demand for the category is limited to the European LeMans series and other subcategories, will it make financial sense for Dallara or whoever to produce all new cars for the new specifications?

[@mrsoisauce9017]

I find that unlikely. The whole reason why the WEC hypercar category is so popular now is because of significant cost reduction. Unless the rules change so dramatically they drive the prices up to intangibility, I doubt we'll see that happen

[@albert_gyorgy]

Well, the LMP2 manufacturers already kinda did produce the next-gen cars. The current LMDh cars are based on next-gen LMP2 chassis. For this reason, among others, I can't see LMP2 disappearing from other series

[@williamford9564]

@@mrsoisauce9017 Yes. I hope the FIA has learned its lesson and doesn’t screw things up this time.😀

[@StarFox85]

R.i.P 1min silence

[@dy7296]

To think about it, Le Mans Daytona is a shadow of what LMP2 once was. Free engine choice but limited by power. semi-free chassis choice and there's 4 manufacturers to choose from. The difference is that the mild-hybrid and transmission became standardized.

[@ZontarDow]

LMP2's days in IMSA will be contingent on how much support LMDh gets from privateers and suppliers given it too has the very real possibility of GTP squeezing LMP2 out even with IMSA's significantly larger field size.

[@AnarRamazanov-po5le]

United is also competing in WEC albeit moving to LMGT3 with McLaren (subject to FIA confirmation)

[@JohnDoe-xu2vx]

Kind of glad.....never watched either of the LMP classes at all.....I love the GT classes

[@mrjdmtunerboy.1463]

I have requested idea on video wut happened about Peagout 2012 campaign I like know more details about it why is cancelled and abandoned

[@masterryangames770]

Got cancelled because their parent company nearly collapsed. They had a plan to do something like Audi did in 2012 with the R18/E-Tron. 2 908’s would have been alongside the 2 908 Hybri4. However, Peugeot lost something like $450m in that year and had to drop the program to save the Company. Toyota then stepped in a year early, and took on most of the Peugeot team, management, and drivers to prevent too many job losses.

[@williamford9564]

I found this from the Press Release by Peugeot: “This decision has been taken against the backdrop of the challenging economic environment in Europe coupled with a particularly busy year for the Brand in terms of new vehicle launches. In this context, Peugeot prefers to concentrate its 2012 resources on its commercial performance and, in particular, ensuring the successful launches of the 208, 3008 HYbrid4, 508 RXH, 508 HYbrid4 and 4008 which will take forward the Brand's strategy of moving upmarket and extending its global presence.” I have a strong suspicion too that the company decided it was not worth it to continue spending money trying to beat Audi.

[@edugj23]

Well, once the hypercar lap time target was placed right onto the LMP2 average pace, it's not that surprising that the secondary class was pressured until eventually running out of space.

[@cliffordbruber2791]

We will continue to see LMP2 in IMSA, European Le Mans Series, and Asian Le Mans Series obviously. I am not sure if they will be back in the WEC. It will depend on how big the Hypercar class becomes and how many cars will be a part of it.

[@sebas7504]

So I did not understand, how will be they in 24 HRS Le Mans, if all the teams will pass to Hypercar? Who will be racing at Le Mans with LMP2?

[@davidezangari8271]

Probably, other private teams that usually partecipate at the 24h but not in all season

[@Maenfy]

Some teams have already received invites through IMSA or ELMS for LMP2. The Asian Le Mans winner will also get an invite to Le Mans. You shouldn't forget that not literally every team switched to Hypercars, just a lot of WEC LMP2 teams. There will still be 20+ LMP2s in ELMS and AsLMS though

[@Halliday57]

It’ll be teams from ELMS, Asian LeMan series and IMSA. You get an automatic entry to LeMans by winning the championship in those series so that’s 4 cars right there. It’s a 60+ grid at LeMans so that’s a lot of cars coming from other series

[@Maenfy]

@@Halliday57 You actually don't even need to win. In ELMS 1st & 2nd of LMP2, 1st in LMP2 Pro-Am, 1st in LMP3, Trueman award winner in IMSA and 1st in AsLMS LMP2 get LMP2 invites. So that would be 6 entries for LMP2 in 2024 already gone. Since WEC has a 39 car grid and there are 11 invites there are basically "only" 12 slots left overall.

[@falinestixiaolong9691]

There are some teams that already compete only in Le Mans and not the rest of the WEC season. In LMP2 this year we had Duqueine, Panis, Cool, IDEC, Turkey, DKR, etc.

[@DonLee1980]

WEC make a "cheaper series" called the Hypercar class which is still MUCH more expensive than the LMP2 class. Yet the LMP2's of 5 years ago were about just as fast.

[@riovaldysatriawijaya1304]

I still like the LMP2 class, especially Oreca 07, since 2021 I have been following the WEC when Indonesian racers compete in LMP2 starting from the JOTA Team to the WRT Team. and Indonesian racers have twice been second or runner up in WEC LMP2, I come from Indonesia and am quite sad because LMP2 will be abolished. but I would still like LMP2 as the best endurance class to go to the highest class

[@Celson97]

HyperCar class has became so big, and the new LMGT3 will be too, there's no space for then in WEC, good especially for the ELMS that keep doing awesome reces, i'm sure ELMS will became more popular with LMP2 being the right place for this class.

[@jrojassengard2586]

I really hope we get a return of a lower, slower prototype class.

[@rexthewolf3149]

LMDH

[@Romario922]

I think the ELMS should offer a big endurance race like a 12 hour at Monza since not everyone can make it to LM now and same for Asian Le Mans series. Neither series as a marquee event in their calendar

[@Maenfy]

Well that would increase costs quite a lot for no real purpose.

[@Romario922]

@@Maenfy I do agree on the cost but it can curb the next problem which will be grid space in IMSA and European teams having to set up base in the US.

[@BigDumbMeRC]

I hope that Oreca 07 goes into the record books because holy shit way to dominate an entire category

[@mrmidnight32]

Of course right after I purchase it from iRacing FML

[@arcangel1172]

A shame , I wished to witness this class as I shifted from f1 to WEC. I got really bored from all these top manufacturers always holding the top spot. A shame that it will happen here too now.

[@ОлегСергеевич-м2б]

я только начал болеть за Лижье в квале к Дайтоне 24 ,а тут на тебе )) Но то что ВЄК стала супер серией и опяить будет популярнее чем формула 1 с их конченім наглухо техническим регламентом.

[@tfkrazvan]

But still, we need more races !!

[@superyoshi2023]

IIRC it'll still race in Le Mans. Also, it's still in the IMSA, the ELMS, etc.

[@lukedanielgalon1596]

4:24 Most of them

[@phildunne7260]

LMP2 has had a rough ride ever since the demise of its big brother, LMP1. When Hypercar came along they had to slow down the LMP2 category twice in order for Hypercar to be the fastest class. If LMP2 were to run at their original pace they’d be quicker or as fast as the current Hypercars. It was never going to be a good fit. If anything, LMP3 would work better..

[@Maenfy]

LMP3 would be too close to GT3 though. Also LMP2 worked pretty well pace wise after the downgrades, the new LMP2 regs are supposed to slow them down anyways though.

[@KilogrammeKG]

More LMP2 switch to LMDh because LMP2 was disappearing' if the class would have remained for sure most of the team would have stick to LMP2. Because they know it is easier to compete for the win in lmp2 with limited budget than compete for the win in LMDh against manufacturers

[@XLTBlarg]

LMP2 to more of a formula 2 feeder type of class than it already was. At least it isnt completely dead.

[@GTR-93]

LMP2 SHOULD HAVE ITS OWN GPs WITH THEIR FULLY UNLOCKED POTENTIAL

[@fransergiodelgado]

Embora não seja o motivo apresentado para o fim da P2, eu sempre considerei uma categoria intrusa e desnecessária. Atrapalham o grid, causam muitos acidentes (veja em Le Mans 22 e 23), e não acrescentam nada em termos de torcida… “Ai eu vou torcer pela Jota e pela Dallara!” 😂😂😂 Desnecessária e sem graça. Já foi tarde!

[@DanielOliverRacing]

The problem is they've removed the ability for bronze and silver drivers to show their skills

[@camrsr5463]

They will be back when a few teams drop out of GTP and Hypercar.

[@acescionti711]

Wtf man. Lmp2 was awesome. Provided some the absolute best racing for the centenary le-man

[@acescionti711]

They could make lmp2 into a hybrid class with the hydrogen cars thoughs. Could be very interesting

[@Maenfy]

Well the big plus of LMP2 is that it's cheap and simple to operate. That's basically the opposite of what hybrid / hydrogen cars are.

[@mascio88]

I think that LMP2 will return in WEC in 2026, only if FIA and ACO decide to create a new and parallel Endurance Champion only for GT3 car.

[@lonewolf2513]

Their loss, IMSAs gain

[@Maenfy]

Well not really a loss since they will have the same amount of cars as before.

[@lonewolf2513]

@@Maenfy it's the quality of the p2 teams that is imsas gain. That class will be one to pay attention closely to

[@Maenfy]

@@lonewolf2513 Well and WEC gains quality in Hypercar and GT3 instead.

[@lonewolf2513]

@@Maenfy hypercar yes, gt3 that's yet to be seen but it'll more than likely thrive than implode

[@Joeyy99]

Still a really really poor decision

[@andyenderby2305]

Why? This has been available for nearly a year... dude...! Clickbait. You're better than this

[@FormulaJonah]

Not clickbait… I’m explaining why LMP2 has been removed as the season is over, and the 2024 season is upon us. It’s very relevant information for the time of releasing…

[@Rerags_]

another reason why IMSA is superior, WEC is about to be a fucking "F1ed" clownshow it's nit about the sport, it's about the money, european racing always was like this and will forever be shit compared to asian and american series (i'm a european myself btw)

[@Maenfy]

How does this change make it about the money?

[@robertstanley3799]

Really I'm watching le man now there p2 cars