The Lonely vs The Loner

[@Saturlen]

Me when i'm silent: Wait, am i boring? Me when i speak up: Wait, am i annoying?

[@Just_a_benchh]

More like when I speak up, me constantly wondering what people are thinking of what I just said. Constantly.

[@SteveAkaDarktimes]

@@Just_a_benchh you don't have to S-rank every conversation, man. its ok. you can also pass the ball by asking "what do you think?".

[@super---.]

Sometimes I feel like I want to socialize, but then I actually do it and I realize I don't want to anymore and go back to being ryo

[@almostcheesecake]

and thus we never saw them again

[@aeea3306]

Bocchi went to the dark side

[@biquiba]

Low capacity social battery. Mine is short too.

[@super---.]

@@biquiba it's not that my social battery is low. I'm awesome around ppl outside my life, but somehow everyone I know in my day-to-day life is actually stupid or a hater. It feels like a conspiracy

[@Jaxie_J0]

@@super---.Dang, I feel the exact same way

[@ProfessionalEepyHead]

Literally the Shy: oh no, people Introvert: ew, people Meme.

[@bottomtext593]

Shut in: "Oh no, people. Ew."

[@SolarSim-64r10o9]

ew Professionals

[@Just_a_benchh]

It’s kinda hard for me to tell; I have terrible social anxiety, but I think I would like to get to know different people and learn to talk to them. At the same time though, it’s hard to know this for sure. My social anxiety makes all social interaction so much worse…

[@badlie4858]

both are introverts. lower and higher confidence doesn't make you more or less of an introvert.

[@ahamin6711]

What if both

[@exploshaun]

Bocchi is too socially anxious? Please. She has friends, talents, future prospects, and a part time job. She's literally not me.

[@almostcheesecake]

@@exploshaun Bocchi is better than us all

[@ri-ch-es]

She can be

[@WeirdTale]

Because unlike you she was willing to go through the unholy suffering needed to eventually get these things. Yes, that is the plot of the anime the journey to solving these issues. She was lucky that someone that needed a guitarist badly enough found her, she was lucky that the family of that person owned the venue they play at and offered her work. Bochii was also lucky to have a family that loves her and a dad that was a former musician and was more than happy to teach her how to play and hand down his guitar seeing something of himself in his oldest daughter, and that he kept all his books on learning to play. Bochii is getting over in the last few years leading to the story a trauma that lead to her social anxiety that started sometime when she started school. This whole story is her finally getting the results of her journey and to finally not be alone anymore.

[@exploshaun]

@@WeirdTale bro chill, it was just a joke.

[@Chilling_pal_n01anad91ct]

​@@exploshaunyeah, just not really funny.

[@Snt1_]

The show literally calls it out "The gap between the lonely and the loner is too high" Its a scene where Bocchi is found at the bottom of a cliff while at the top we have Ryo

[@almostcheesecake]

Truth be told that is the inspiration for the video's title

[@inamulhasanmohdadzhar]

Tomoko Kuroki

[@revemb4653]

what?

[@remuvs]

Ryo is literally me - enjoys their own company, trolls the few friends they have, frequently makes irresponsible financial decisions, plays bass.

[@almostcheesecake]

Get away, this person's gonna steal our money!

[@Dystra_Dagar]

For sure.

[@WONGKHAIHONGMoe]

Same for me, though I also prefer dark jokes with my friends.

[@juicetified]

Do you also eat weeds when on a tight budget-

[@cheerio.goosie]

@@juicetifiedi eat raw mushrooms on a tight budget

[@nbproductions194]

I always liked bocchi while the reactions are over the top the feelings aren't. Also the strong desire to connect with people but being afraid to is so real. I use performance (comedy) to be around people since it's the only way I can be fully comfortable in a group setting

[@almostcheesecake]

Shit I kinda do the same thing, using comedy to fit in

[@inamulhasanmohdadzhar]

Tomoko Kuroki

[@Hikikomoraii]

I'm a social phobia from 3 to 18. I've been looking for companies all my life and have survived since 3rd grade only with the help of humor, video games and phone. I hid myself, my anxiety and my oddity, trying to manage other people's impressions like Hitori with her friends at home or at a restaurant with Re. But I've always been like bocchi at a festival. And my wit worked) that's why I wasn't even an outcast in the class, rather a ghost, although I probably just embellished... although one friend even said that there was always some kind of fun atmosphere around me... a social phobia can have social skills but remain a hikikomori. And now after leaving college I became a recluse, or continued to be one... I even started talking to myself although I used to think silently. And soon I'll have a guitar

[@dalemorgan8263]

I started out like Bocchi, lots of social anxiety on the inside but trying to reach out. Eventually I learned to be like Yamada after finding a good friend.

[@nekoimouto4639]

back in school a friend and i were the typical class clowns, but the difference between us was that he was the partyking who enjoyed it for the attention, while i did it as a coping mechanism.

[@SuperiorPosterior]

Introversion is most definitely a spectrum (or a shrubbery), and I'm somewhere between Hitori and Ryo. I've even got an embarrassing "horror story" that makes me feel cringey just remembering it. Back when I got my first car, I decided to explore my hometown a bit more thoroughly, because I'd only been to a couple restaurants with my family beforehand. And so, each day, either before or after work, I'd go to a different restaurant at random (this was back when a single sit-down meal cost like, twenty bucks instead of forty). It was a fun bit of urban exploration for me as a teen. And then one day, I decided to go to a slightly fancier restaurant. It was pretty busy, so even after I'd been shown to a table, it took a half hour for someone to take my order. I wasn't bothered by it, because I had decided what I wanted, and then spent the rest of the wait reading an ebook on my phone. Ordering and receiving my food didn't take that long. The food was delicious, and I managed to finish the book I was reading. So, I decided to order dessert. Now apparently, I'm a lot more expressive while reading than I thought I was, because my waitress returned with my dessert and my receipt, having given me a 50% discount on my meal, before telling me I'd find The One someday. ........yyyyyeeeaaaahhhh, she thought I was waiting for a date, desperately texting said date after awkwardly ordering a meal, and then getting teary-eyed and ordering dessert because I'd been stood up. I was *_absolutely_* too awkward to say anything other than "thanks" as I got up to leave with my dessert in a to-go box. Like, if she'd asked me if I'd been on a date, I could have laughed and said I was just reading a somewhat intense book, but she surprised me with the discount, gave me a verbal pat on my head, and then left before I could say anything. That was the last place I visited alone for like, two months.

[@almostcheesecake]

That's so funny, I absolutely would have done the same thing and just kept quiet

[@raikhan2701]

Relatable, I've had a similar experiences, legit can't read, watch or think of something without having to conciously keep my facial expressions in check, i feel ya 😔

[@younessourouche6949]

you gotta think positive dude you spared 50% of the price of the meal

[@judemartin6329]

Obligatory lord of the mysteries plug. It's a webnovel that combines Victorian England with steampunk, SCP, and godly power.

[@silverkujo]

Not only do I feel bad for you but that's actually exactly how I would have responded too 😭

[@soitokki]

„An introvert is someone who recharges their battery alone“ „An extrovert is someone who recharges their battery in social situations“, I really like those definitions. I’ve always thought that I‘m extrovert due to my bubbly nature, but I soon realized that I‘m not an extrovert at all, and those definitions helped me come to the term that I am introverted.

[@tanshiro8593]

To be honest the simplest way to tell the difference is just to think that, did you feel lonely a lot? If you did and you don't have many friends, you might be socially anxious and need to do something about it If you not, then you simply an introvert. Someone that able to communicate well, but chooses not to simply because you wanted it

[@masonseminario7435]

@@tanshiro8593I swear I used to get feelings of loneliness but then I somehow trained myself to never feel lonely again

[@--CHARLIE--]

Those are also the actual proper definitions, so it's good you like them. Though, most people are actually ambiverts. And even most introverts do need some social interaction to stay healthy (I don't though, I've never even felt lonely once in my entire life despite going years at a time without friends. This is presumablya result of my being extremely neurodivergent. I'd even say I'm still more of an buvert than an introvert.) Sorry for rambling i am really out of it right now lol.

[@coolmay5]

if there are 0 Ryo Yamada fans, then i am dead

[@almostcheesecake]

I've been killed too I guess

[@coolmay5]

@@almostcheesecake sorry, it was survival of the fittest

[@almostcheesecake]

@@coolmay5 Remember meeeee...

[@WuwaMeatRider_1000]

Ig i'd be reducedmro atoms too

[@Generic_username69]

if there are 0 Ryo Yamada fans, then i have never existed (even in death im a fan)

[@jupiter926]

I realised that one day i was lonely but now i'm totally a loner

[@almostcheesecake]

As long as you're happy

[@ovencore2549]

so segma

[@Mydumbselfsays]

​​@@ovencore2549 mmmmm... Just one more m and-

[@lucidlywaking7286]

be lonely for too long and you turn into a loner

[@banano_goat]

@@lucidlywaking7286 evolution

[@Mr.Who3]

Im gonna watch Bocchi the Rock now. I have heavy social anxiety, this video makes me relate to Bocchi a lot. Also, earned a sub!

[@noone-pg4lr]

Did you watch the show

[@lxvelycall]

i'm an introvert until you become my friend pretty much. I hate starting conversations with people I don't know, I hate asking people questions if I think they're stupid, I hate having to ASK questions, I hate answering questions, I hate confronting people, blah blah blah. I want to do ALL of those things, but mentally, I'm incapable. I'm a musician and I like to spend time alone, A LOT. I mean, sure, if I want to hang out with friends, hell yeah. But otherwise, yeah. I'm an introvert.

[@almostcheesecake]

we hate initiating lol

[@lxvelycall]

@@almostcheesecake and it's so annoying when it's important too 😭

[@amppari_234]

This is too true

[@lightsonicwaves]

That pretty much summarizes exactly what I thought about about their contrast, great video. This anime came out at the perfect timing when I was searching about social anxiety and questioning where I am in the spectrum

[@almostcheesecake]

This anime, and honestly making this video myself, has really made me learn quite a bit about myself too

[@Moon1341]

TLDR: Ryo, enjoys her own company. Bochi, wants company, but is too socially awkward to keep it.

[@LiterallyMe91]

Since Ryo is the paragon of human virtue without equal past or present, she is most resplendent in love, tributes and accolades. Waking or sleeping, I must not forget Ryo's great boon and in order to return her favour by day and by night, I should only think of fulfilling my loyalty. Who is Ryo? For the blind, she is their vision. For the deaf, she is their music. For the mute, she is their voice. For the anosmiac, she is their aroma. For the numb, she is their feeling. For the atrophied, she is their muscle. For the starved, she is their sustenance. For the thirsty, she is their water. For the exhausted, she is their energy. For the depressed, she is their happiness. For the disillusioned, she is their hope. For the pessimistic, she is their optimism. For the disadvantaged, she is their champion. For the marginalised, she is their justice. For the oppressed, she is their salvation. For the righteous, she is their symbol. For the enlightened, she is their muse. For the erudite, she is their education. If Ryo speaks, I listen. If Ryo questions, I answer. If Ryo orders, I obey. If Ryo opines, I agree. If Ryo fears, I assure. If Ryo hopes, I dream. If Ryo is happy, I am jubilant. If Ryo is angry, I am apoplectic. If Ryo is sad, I am disconsolate. Ryo is my ideal, Ryo is my romance, Ryo is my passion. Ryo is my strength, Ryo is my compass, Ryo is my destination. Ryo is my language, Ryo is my culture, Ryo is my religion. Ryo is my ocean, Ryo is my mountain, Ryo is my sky, Ryo is my air, Ryo is my sun, Ryo is my moon, Ryo is my world. Ryo is history, Ryo is present, Ryo is future. If Ryo has a million fans, I am one of them. If Ryo has a thousand fans, I am one of them. If Ryo has a hundred fans, I am one of them. If Ryo has ten fans, I am one of them. If Ryo has only one fan, that is me. If Ryo has no fans, I no longer exist. If the whole universe is for Ryo , then I am for the whole universe. If the whole universe is against Ryo, then I am against the whole universe. I will love, cherish, and protect Ryo until my very last breath; my successors will love, cherish and protect Ryo until their very last breath

[@HelterwithoutSkelter]

what.

[@almostcheesecake]

Amen

[@heeberfleeber]

he’s saying what we’re all thinking!!

[@low-keyvibin3189]

Bro wrote a flipping bible and sang a praises at the same time💀💀💀 I ain’t reading allat.

[@ryokkuz]

i read allat.

[@maclypse]

I don't think Bocchi is an introvert at all. She doesn't like being by herself, she doesn't want to be by herself; she's is straight up lonely, and suffers by herself. This really just makes her situation even sadder. She wants to socialise more than anything - she needs to socialise. It might look like introversion from an outside point of view, but I don't think it is. If she was fine by herself, she would not go to such lengths to socialise. The reason she flees now and then is to rest and recover. She needs to recharge her batteries as it were. Trust me; fighting against your anxiety is exhausting. It's not that she wants time alone - she's just about to have a nervous breakdown. Crippling social anxiety, yes. Introverted, no.

[@almostcheesecake]

I see what you mean, but even introverts need a friend or two. I would argue she's going to such lengths because she has absolutely no one, and Kessoku Band is where she finds that small friend group most introverts have

[@yamazaki752]

A lot of people misunderstand what it means to be introverted. Which, to be fair, the definition doesn't help either. Introverted folks are able and willing to be social. They enjoy it as much as any other kind of person does. HOWEVER, what makes the introverted different from the extroverted is the concept of the social battery. Introverts have a very limited social battery, and it needs recharging every so often, usually by being away from social situations. Extroverts are the opposite - they need that social time to be good with alone time for extended periods (which is why a lot of people went stir crazy during COVID lockdowns). It is worth noting that this isn't a black and white concept. Some introverts can handle a lot of social time without needing a lot of alone time to recover, and vice versa.

[@domgo349]

I mean, introverts still like having friends and spending time with them, especially on a deeper level. An introvert likes being alone, but not their whole life. Bocchi spent practically her entire life alone and therefore hated it since she was always isolated, so she forced herself to go out to strengthen her bond with kessoku band.

[@kenziebigham2509]

​@@yamazaki752I am an introvert and I disagree. I absolutely despise any and all social interactions unless they are beneficial to my future prospects or wealth e.g. reference for a job.

[@yamazaki752]

@kenziebigham2509 Keep in mind that introverted isn't a singular experience. It doesn't dictate if you enjoy socializing or not, or if you can socialize. Those are different elements separate from being introverted. The only thing that being introverted means is needing "me-time" to recharge and decompress after socializing so much. That's it. Everything else is misconception and mislabeling.

[@OoD1i]

11:55 always gets me man 😂

[@ELEMENETAL]

I don't have social anxiety, dad, I'm an introvert! ...Well, the differance being one's a trait and other's a mental sickness!

[@darkbazzoka341]

If I’m gonna be honest, my parents don’t care for- *dun dun dun dun duuun duuuuunnnnn*

[@duyngo7697]

i think his mate saw me. YES, yes, it is - montage of staying in the room alone and locking in

[@ELEMENETAL]

@@duyngo7697 Social needs? Look mate, you know who has a lot of social needs? Extroverts what bludgeon their friends to boredom with a guitar! (The best I could get, sorry, mate.)

[@jakint0sh]

absolutely brilliant m8 XD

[@binbows2258]

honestly caught me off guard with that one. good job

[@konaharuka_]

When I was younger, I was more of Bocchi - wanted friends but socially awkward, wanted attention, wanted some spotlight. When I went to college and began adulting, I became and still Ryo - doesn't like socializing, bad at finances, good taste in food, confident.

[@mistyume]

you said what i've been thinking this whole time, except way neater and summed up properly... this distinction between lonely and loner is really important to me, and seeing them represented as two different characters actually had a lasting effect on me. before i watched bocchi the rock, i used to think i was introverted and therefore bad at social things. but after seeing it, i realised i can be introverted and brave/confident at the same time, and i just need to work at it. like, being introverted doesn't mean no hope for social interactions, ever. i used to be like bocchi but ryo is my idol and i work at becoming more like her. on that scale you mentioned (the one that's not really a line but both you and me represent it as a line for the sake of simplicity and conveying our thoughts more efficiently) i try to become more and more like ryo, and i'm ~60% of the way there, i think. sorry, this comment is all over the place; what i'm trying to say is that this video perfectly describes why bocchi the rock chooses two different representations of being alone and how important that is, in terms of striving to understand and improve yourself. at least, that's why it matters to me. :)

[@almostcheesecake]

I'm glad you got something out of this video, and I wish you the best in becoming more like Ryo

[@FrankieAmadeian.]

"This comment is all over the place" _is actually pretty coherent_

[@Wolf-xq5hp]

I have 0 social skills because I don't like socializing

[@almostcheesecake]

My man 🤝

[@igorthelight]

You need at least 1 point in Social to actually write in KZbin comments ;-)

[@laze53927]

​@igorthelight true

[@takeawoa]

the lonely loner

[@duplicatehedgehog]

well now you have 1 social skill

[@rin_reverie]

A video on how Kita and Nijika form a similar socially anxious/not socially anxious pair to Hitori and Ryo could be neat tbh-obviously, Kita’s social anxiety isn’t as bad as Hitori’s, but it’s still clearly something she struggles with, even if she’s able to force herself through it via sheer extrovert willpower

[@almostcheesecake]

I think there are videos about Kita and Nijika that do a better job than I can

[@inamulhasanmohdadzhar]

Tomoko Kuroki

[@mmaaoorr]

As someone who over the years went from being extremely socially anxious to the point of almost never leaving the house to someone who's still introverted but can manage social interactions pretty well I think you hit the nail on the head with the explanations. Good job!

[@onesmileybaldy8303]

Same,over the years I learned that I value my time alone a lot more than I used to give credit for and forcing myself to be social just to go with other people’s flow wasn’t really healthy for me

[@aozora7]

I would consider Ryo a moderate on the loner scale. When you max it out, you get hermits like me. I got over my social anxiety back when I was around 14, so I can pass for a normie, but I have absolutely zero need to socialize. I don't get enough out of social interaction to justify the effort of purposely seeking it out. Now at 30 I work from home, get groceries delivered, and spend months at a time without seeing another human. I had friend groups in high school and college since there were some alright people there, and if I'm forced to be around people, I may as well make the most of it, but it didn't even occur to me to maintain those friendships once I graduated. It's like I'm the introvert strawman that everyone says doesn't exist, but I actually do exist.

[@almostcheesecake]

Whether you're a lonely or a loner, as long as you're happy that's all the matters

[@matejmotuz108]

As an itrovert who lives with his parents , one thing you might want to be carefull about is informations you're getting , if you spend mohts without human interaction as you say , you don't get any other view , and sience you regulate all informations you get , yiu might get some really misleading ideas , also , keep youself healthy , I always hated gym class , playing football , basketbal an so , but I didn't jave much problem with individual activities , so after dropping out of college , I started working out at home , and it changed my life

[@andrews.5212]

Most people are annoying tbh. Or clingy.. or need to do stuff every week. Dude i got my stuff to do also! "Socializing" is literally filed under "if i have time to spare".

[@sportyeight7769]

So you're telling me you don't even talk to people in games, discord or forums and stuff ? Because, that's socialization too, juste no IRL. You just live happy, doing alone hobbies and talking to no one ?

[@gilgameshlfx7006]

Ep8 actually had very few audiences that it's not out of character for Hitori to pop out some mad skill. Her street performance with Kikkuri feels like they had more people than the concert.

[@almostcheesecake]

That's also true, she's already gotten used to a similar crowd before

[@inamulhasanmohdadzhar]

Tomoko Kuroki

[@SupremeDalek225]

Even before watching this I really liked the scene with Bocchi and Ryo at the Cafe. It was not only interesting seeing a more determined side of Ryo who at the time we didn't really get any 1 on 1 time with, but it also showed the small but important differences between Bocchi and Ryo, where Ryo is perfectly fine not talking for a while at first and is just chilling with her band partner but for Bocchi she looks like she's trying to figure out everything at once like "Why did she invite me here by ourselves?" "Should I say something to her?"

[@almostcheesecake]

That one scene manages to say so much about both their characters

[@ryan99842]

If you ever listen to anything while reading comments, let it be this - find unveiling your hidden potential by bruce thornwood, then come back and thank me

[@Nobody2important]

qrd? there's basically no information about this book

[@cameronhennigan810]

@@Nobody2important its a marketing tactic the likes are botted

[@BobTheSlob-43]

nobody listens to things while reading the comments tho???

[@Luv_mitsuki]

@@BobTheSlob-43I DOOOO!

[@BobTheSlob-43]

@@Luv_mitsuki but like they mean listen to a book while the video is going AND read comments

[@ShutInCuber]

I've always been quite annoyed with people having a false definition of introversion. I'm an introvert. I know this for a fact. I'm someone that can live perfectly content and even somewhat happy from not having super close friends for a year, just acquaintances that I'd socialize with in classes (don't ask me, it happened from moving). However, people that I'm close to (who are typically people that I'm very social with) are very surprised when I say that I'm introverted. A therapist for my brother once made it very clear. Introversion and Extroversion has nothing to do with being lonely. I repeat. NOTHING. Introversion and extroversion is purely about something described as a social battery from this therapist. It's bad to have this battery drained. Extroverts charge this so called battery by socializing. Parties, groups, etc. Introverts, on the other hand, charge this battery through being on their own instead. Literally the opposite of extroverts. In the real world, it's never good to overcharge your battery, or else you may permanently damage how well it can be used, and the same applies here. It's healthy to consistently drain and charge your battery, rather than in a perpetual state of charged (and if it's in a perpetual state of drained I question your ability to make decisions for yourself or if you're actually not a extrovert/introvert). This makes it very clear that introverts have no problem socializing. In fact, introverts love socialization on some level. They're sill human, and socializing with people they're close to is important for them. Although some just socialize with an infinite amount of close acquaintances, others tend to have a very close knit group of friends that they drain their battery on. They just typically know when their battery is drained and choose to let it charge instead of pushing past 0 instead. This is the same for extroverts, they socialize a lot, but eventually need to let it drain as to not overload themselves and their lives. Being socially anxious has nothing to do with introversion or extroversion. I knew a couple of extroverts that were socially anxious, however, their need to socialize makes it more common for them to move beyond this anxiety. With introverts, their inherent want to be alone more than socialize encourages social anxiety, and thus, why social anxiety is usually associated as a *problem* for introverts instead of extroverts. However, this association eventually became mistaken as being one and the same by many people, introverts and extroverts included. Although I personally am not someone that enjoys Bocchi too much, I can appreciate it trying to shed light on stuff like this. However, much of the light being shed just falls flat because, not to their fault, people simply don't know the difference between introversion and social anxiety, and thus, can't really benefit as much from what is taught in the show. Also, I know you were talking about most of these points in the video, I just thought I'd give a little different of a style on it with a bonus perspective.

[@almostcheesecake]

Thank you for this, I didn't really stay too long on the social battery idea, so I'm glad to see someone go more in depth here

[@nxfh-channel]

Yes, exactly! That misunderstanding what makes me annoyed as well but I know people are just people and everyone makes mistakes so it's ok. Thank you for sharing your so similarly clear and defining pov

[@KillFrenzy96]

You've described me. I like spending time alone because it's relaxing to not have to deal with people, but I also like spending time with my friends. I definitely do not have social anxiety because I rarely care about what others might be thinking of me. I may appear shy but that's mainly because I stay quiet if I'm not interested in the conversation.

[@ArtificialDjDAGX]

hate to be that guy, but batteries don't benefit from being charged and drained. They benefit from having basically static charge at around 50%. Going over 80% basically means reducing the lifecycle, and going below 20% means the same. ;y

[@TlalocTemporal]

​@@ArtificialDjDAGX-- Eh, that depends on the battery. Some batteries prefer being stored full, others at mid charge. Some batteries can be reconditioned by deep cycling, others can never be recovered. Some batteries are good at deep cycling, others are damaged by it. Even within the same battery technology, differences in charge controller, temperature, cooling, wiring, and manufacturing can change their temperment even before you use them. Regardless, it's a metaphor, it doesn't have to be perfect.

[@merpmash]

people at school turned me from an extrovert into an introvert unless i know a person

[@Mappster]

Loners prioritize self time, and feeling okey being alone Lonely people know they are alone and most of the time they really feel sad about it

[@TheAlison1456]

Lonely people know they are alone, and don't know how to respond. Society cultivates the idea and practice that you should feel bad when lonely, and prescribes this response. That worsens the effect the initial loneliness had. This explains how we get things like, say, a meme I saw 1-2 days ago, written, "Me making secret rooms in my Minecraft house even though no one nobody's going to be playing on my world anyway", which is nonsense but its sole purpose is to worsen it.

[@Stabinavus]

@@TheAlison1456lonely is alone and doesn’t know how to be ok with it. Take it from a lonely

[@TheAlison1456]

@@Stabinavus don't copy my homework passing it off as yours.

[@Stabinavus]

@@TheAlison1456 i’m not copying your homework at all. I didn’t even read your full comment and thought we were saying different things

[@TheAlison1456]

@@Stabinavus that's depressing.

[@kawru_kun6846]

Some people or (even most i guess) are somewhat "introverted" as in they feel better alone than with other people, the reason is most likely cause we break character and feel awkward whenever we socialize in order to sound "normal". And doing so consumes our energy, so the longer the conversation the more awkward it becomes until we run out of energy and show our true shades, and guess what? Not many people would like us for that 🙃. So basically i believe that this " somewhat of condition" is the Fear For Not Being Liked By Other People, or we're basically overthinkers that try to fit in.

[@almostcheesecake]

Man, I hope you at least got people that do accept you

[@Clafdord]

Just a bocchi tryna be a ryo 😔😔😔

[@almostcheesecake]

Shit you got me

[@inamulhasanmohdadzhar]

Tomoko Kuroki

[@Person_on_the_Earth]

Same 😔

[@AlejandroNose-r2j]

That's me

[@Knight-Cyberia]

Same. I'm getting tired of being the Bocchi. :'c

[@place_holder7695]

"I prefer the term 'fabulously weird.' " -Alex Fierro

[@almostcheesecake]

Stay fabulous

[@Person_on_the_Earth]

Magnus Chase fan?

[@place_holder7695]

@@Person_on_the_Earth indeed

[@Person_on_the_Earth]

@@place_holder7695 Nicee same

[@zeuvia_]

once upon a time i was like ryo, then life threw everything it has at me and nowadays i am closer to hitori than most (if not all) people i know. i relate to her a lot from the bits and pieces i've learned, and to think i haven't even actually seen the show yet.

[@almostcheesecake]

I get that feeling, sometimes life just beats you so badly that you wanna close yourself off from the world

[@ThePr0_0149]

"But i'm lazy so all you get is a line" Almostcheesecake(chad) 5:30

[@ibrahimismail5625]

yesterday i actually performed something for the first time in my life on guitar in front of 60 people if you know anything about me I AM BEYOND HUMANLY INTROVERTED bt i was able to lock in and played the peice perfectly

[@almostcheesecake]

Hell yeah, congrats mate

[@THE_RULE_OF_COOL]

I agree with every point in this video. This is actually a point of view I had when watching this anime.

[@almostcheesecake]

Glad we agree

[@Nsquare_01]

Same

[@ohw5306]

The Joey call out from trash taste 😂😂😂 Agree that he doesn't understand it well 😅

[@almostcheesecake]

Maybe this is a Joey call out, maybe it isn't. I'll never tell

[@Eternal_Sufferring]

He is so close minded, honestly

[@ztmorris9738]

Im on "The Loner" side. It's super annoying when people think you have no social skills just because you're an introvert. I can speak with strangers, have normal conversation, even be "The life of the party", but people I dont like to speak to like to say I have no social skills and im shy...

[@ztmorris9738]

Them: "Why dont you want to hang out with us?" Me: "Cuz I don't want to..." Them: "Thats not a good reason!"

[@xgoom123]

Really good video, keep it up (nice P5 clip) Ryo fans rise up!

[@almostcheesecake]

Love me some Persona

[@piotrasolo]

Who is Ryo? For the blind, she is their vision. For the deaf, she is their music. For the mute, she is their voice. For the anosmiac, she is their aroma. For the numb, she is their feeling. For the atrophied, she is their muscle. For the starved, she is their sustenance. For the thirsty, she is their water. For the exhausted, she is their energy. For the depressed, she is their happiness. For the disillusioned, she is their hope. For the pessimistic, she is their optimism. For the disadvantaged, she is their champion. For the marginalised, she is their justice. For the oppressed, she is their salvation. For the righteous, she is their symbol. For the enlightened, she is their muse. For the erudite, she is their education. If Ryo speaks, I listen. If Ryo questions, I answer. If Ryo orders, I obey. If Ryo opines, I agree. If Ryo fears, I assure. If Ryo hopes, I dream. If Ryo is happy, I am jubilant. If Ryo is angry, I am apoplectic. If Ryo is sad, I am disconsolate. Ryo is my ideal, Ryo is my romance, Ryo is my passion. Ryo is my strength, Ryo is my compass, Ryo is my destination. Ryo is my language, Ryo is my culture, Ryo is my religion. Ryo is my ocean, Ryo is my mountain, Ryo is my sky, Ryo is my air, Ryo is my sun, Ryo is my moon, Ryo is my world. Ryo is history, Ryo is present, Ryo is future. If Ryo has a million fans, I am one of them. If Ryo has a thousand fans, I am one of them. If Ryo has a hundred fans, I am one of them. If Ryo has ten fans, I am one of them. If Ryo has only one fan, that is me. If Ryo has no fans, I no longer exist. If the whole universe is for Ryo , then I am for the whole universe. If the whole universe is against Ryo, then I am against the whole universe. I will love, cherish, and protect Ryo until my very last breath; my successors will love, cherish and protect Ryo until their very last breath

[@mcmuinorac5848]

Huh, I guess I just went through the anime too quickly, or your video just did a good job of highlighting it. It sounded like I was hearing a self-portrait when you were describing Ryo. I'm competent and comfortable in any social environment (even if sometimes I fuck with the atmosphere to humour myself), so much so that people think I know everything that is going on. I don't blame them, I somehow end up being one of the more favorably seen people in any group I insert myself into. It has nothing to do with my looks, I'm butt-ugly. It's just social charisma. The funny thing is that I'm usually the last one to know about social developments. The most recent drama, who's dating who, etc. I don't give myself many opportunities to find out, because I don't care. I'm entertained by myself easily, probably too easily. Even the best friends that I would easily die for, I'll go years without ever talking to them. Only reason that hasn't been the case lately is because I make a conscious effort to reach out since or else I'll just sink deep into whatever I'm doing and take a long time. Not that I personally have a problem with that, but I don't want my best friends to feel like I don't care about them anymore. Also one of my biggest nightmares is just calling them out of the blue and finding out they've been dead for over 6 months and I missed their funeral. That'd suck in a lot of ways. A decent amount of people that I see call themselves introverted aren't really introverted, imo. They either are JUST socially anxious, or just have people that they don't like talking to. A lot of people have this extreme view of extroversion, as if extroverts just like talking all the time and to anyone and everyone and are really competent at doing it. But that's just me.

[@vicashi419]

This guy is too funny it makes my day even better than before

[@almostcheesecake]

I'm glad I could make you laugh

[@Redence680]

this is a really cool video! You have inspired me to go watch bocchi the rock!

[@orangenal]

9:10 people who say that have clearly never been in that situation

[@stick5067]

True, having my first concert at a theater, being the solo of the choir i did not want to let all of the work and effort we put back then for being there in front of that many people fly by because of my stupid cowardness. I could not let It All slide. So i did my best for All of them. Because if i did wrong them all would too. The feeling i had that day was the best feeling i had. Don't Give up!!! ❤

[@9alexyis9]

I find Ryo to be very unique. It's bit surprising for me fact she is mostly lack of emotions and quiet but there's no toxicity in herself. Most person who is stoic are pretty much mean or toxic. But stoic and polite? That's what I really want. I wish I can meet person who is just like Ryo.

[@almostcheesecake]

Ryo is someone who we should all aim to be

[@XDbored1]

the difference is that the stoic and polite must work extra hard to keep the trash away, Ryo is a great example lying about having family in hospital all the time, a grade A psychopath able to turn down people without looking like a asshole all the time, Ryo would be a excellent Politician but dislikes people too much to ever go into politics.

[@CristianGonzalez-qf2os]

She literally tries to take you le money and guilt trips you in the process

[@9alexyis9]

@@CristianGonzalez-qf2os ​ @CristianGonzalez-qf2os When she invited me to restaurant just like what happen in the episode, i will wait for her to finish. as right as she stands up i will sprint the crap out of the restaurant exit 😂

[@jaythamalt]

She literally makes people pay for everything for her lol. I'd say that, at least, is a bit toxic.

[@Althedemonking1076]

Ryo and Bocchi were straight up me and my bestie, well he's improved since when we met

[@almostcheesecake]

We love to see character growth

[@zxot14]

Bro, u explained this so good with that line. Far left and Far right. Loved it. Funny yet educational.

[@wazaleey8278]

Oh Joey...

[@almostcheesecake]

Joey...

[@Sanguine_Vampire_Lord]

@@almostcheesecakejr Shabadoo…

[@mitthereal]

I LOVE KITA

[@mitthereal]

kita marry mepls

[@toupeiragamer8564]

I'm an Introvert who had Social Anxiety for quite a while, so i enjoyed this show quite a bit. Literally made the account on CrunchRoll just for this.

[@Banzai_AWOS]

it's funny how easy it is to be both characters at once, I'd describe myself as an introverted extrovert or extroverted introvert (not sure which would be the correct order), I like spending time with other people, but I'm more of that friend in the corner just Vibing, occasionally adding to jokes or just having a bit of fun, however I also have a nasty case of social anxiety, and so I have a hard time actually doing more than that, I've had a few friends help me out of my shell, and a couple who took a 20 killoton block of tnt to my walls, but the big thing is I generally CAN'T be the one to start that interaction, they have to be the ones to drag me out kicking and screaming until I realize it's not so bad. Love to see this kind of video, thanks for making it mate!

[@suspended67Animations]

0:23 you forgot the small tsu (っ) guttural stop as well as the flap R found in り・リ (ri)

[@Markrafter08]

The fact i thought this was a serious video of the topic and not something that talks about anime makes me feel better of myself and silly

[@enigmaticegg]

I am literally bocchi

[@almostcheesecake]

nuh uh, I am literally bocchi

[@googoogaagaayt]

what have I stumbled upon

[@TheItuber]

No, i am literally Bocchi

[@Oliver-zy8sq]

I am amazed by how slize of life anime (if this show is one) can tell such inspiring stories sometimes even more so than large epics that explore themes more thoroughly.

[@nopainnogain9962]

Bocchi literally me Fr Fr

[@almostcheesecake]

nuh uh, Bocchi like me fr fr

[@noobysanwich]

​@@almostcheesecakebocchi be like everyone ???

[@almostcheesecake]

@@noobysanwich W E A R E B O C C H I

[@jameiyeaper8122]

KZbin algorithm recommended me this video and it's a banger, I really enjoyed it

[@markusTegelane]

4:02 don't for a moment think I didn't see that

[@ISALEX_]

As someone Who don’t really have friends and struggles to get any I’d say getting some friends with social anxiety absolutely is plot progression. And admiring..

[@pocketwatch5149]

bro analysed my personality

[@presentrama]

Built different sure is one way to describe Ryo

[@xXChocoElementXx]

I can relate to her :).I used to have serious social anxiety around 2 years ago that I would be afraid to go on a bus. It's like having millions of eyes watching and judging your every move constantly. Eventually, I overcome it by forcing myself to eat at a restaurant where I would be seeing people all the time.

[@Ino_38]

This video was made entirely out of spite against Joey. I love it.

[@almostcheesecake]

My lawyers have told me not to confirm or deny such allegations :D

[@Ino_38]

@@almostcheesecake lmao, it’s a great video either way 😂

[@taki1009]

im really happy you're growing out quickly, your videos are awesome, never give up!!

[@lefruite4631]

I think I'm a mix between the two of them. I'm like in the middle. As an example, I'm fine with being alone and talking to the frew friends I have and be goofy at times but sometimes I get really anxious that I just end up locking myself in my bathroom to avoid any confrontation with any people. Like, I'm sometimes to anxious to talk to my mom and she has to convince me to open up the door to the bathroom and get out and stuff. But at the end of the day it might be my autism so idk bro I'm a teenager

[@almostcheesecake]

Feel free to take whichever traits resonate with you. You can be both Ryo, Bocchi, Nijika or Kita

[@Katolhoo]

Never watched this anime, but u inspired me to do it. Nice video, thank you

[@No1LaufeyFan]

Just from the title I was gonna say: Introvert vs introverted extrovert and I'm like yooo I foreshadowed this entire videooo

[@Just_a_benchh]

Is the only way to overcome social anxiety to talk to more people?

[@inakoto]

dude, the way you represented introversion as a spectrum made so much more sense than what I thought it was before! goated vid, now I can comfortably sit in my room all day and have a valid explanation for why I don't wanna hang out xd

[@theunkn0wn1104]

Kita fans are blind confirmed🤯

[@almostcheesecake]

It's a price you have to pay for the Great Kita

[@recifie-7628]

5:35 RYO'S A FASCIST!!!11!!!1

[@vi.yourbae]

Oh shit I realized I’m lonely and my crush is a loner

[@almostcheesecake]

Fingers crossed

[@soupguy5243]

good luck bestiiie

[@piotrasolo]

good luck :33

[@vi.yourbae]

OKAY SO GAVE HIM A GIFT ON THE LAST DAY OF SCHOOL BEFORE FALL HOLIDAYS AND ON THE SAME DAY HE TEXTED ME AND THANKED ME FOR IT AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT ANIME AHFKENSUK

[@piotrasolo]

@@vi.yourbae thats a massive W !!

[@neongenesis7236]

3:50 it’s my reality. I don’t like extroverts, they literally over shine to blindness.

[@TapaniLastellar]

I know I already said this on your Twitter, and I'll say it again. Ryo is best girl 🌿 I even made a video about Ryo too

[@almostcheesecake]

Hell yeah, Ryo fans unite

[@Whitedevil_44]

Hikigaya Hachiman is the best example of "Loner"

[@pfischer08]

0:11 , that is not the actual definition. Either you changed the HTML or they changed the definition.

[@pfischer08]

Anyway this comment was unnecessary. I pointed that out before watching the full video.

[@almostcheesecake]

lol

[@xinyifailed]

@@pfischer08i was gonna say 💀

[@JohnSmith-kw6be]

This is really good. This is a great way to tease apart that there are really not just one type of loneliness. I even learned the difference between a loner and being lonely.

[@thisisakoolname9927]

The whole ordeal around introversion and introverts is so weird. Some ppl talk like they never went to schools or saw more than 5 people in their entire life. The way they describe characters like Bocchi and Ryo as unique, interesting or unrealistic is just... WHAT? And I'm not gonna tell you what an introvert is since I'm no expert, but I'm gonna say that it seems like people, when they talk about introversion - extroversion, often try to use the spectrum. However, they can't really convey the idea since there are multiple aspects, and somebody is gonna disagree on smth. I think two of the most fundamental traits that ppl often argue about is how much do one want to be alone/around people and how much anxiety/confidence they have. This is not smth written into stones like a mathematics theorem, each person can have a different definition of an introvert so to argue about it is quite pointless. ( BTW, this is not to dissmiss the argument against being an introvert means being inept at sociolizing because that's just blatantly dumb).

[@almostcheesecake]

I agree, it's not a one size fits all sort of conundrum. There's no way to accurately describe every single introvert so we simplify it for our ease of mind

[@Wolkenwagen]

To make you feel better, I accidentally clicked on this video, so I didn't see the thumbnail before clicking it, so you did give a bit of intrigue

[@almostcheesecake]

Hell yeah all part of my master plan

[@nnoxx_PK]

Ryo is literally me frfr, i love extorting my friends for free food

[@almostcheesecake]

Same, the best tasting food is the type you don't pay for

[@PizzaDoG871]

I am definitely one I try to hang out, I'm not awkward, but I get exhausted from more than 30 mins of social interaction.

[@destruct0503]

Maybe I am Ryo

[@almostcheesecake]

Nah, I'm Ryo

[@NoOne-ww4uf]

No I am

[@nxfh-channel]

Ok, y'all can be Ryo but I definitely know Ryo is me frfr. So you are all is me as well : D

[@aramalqestoma1450]

I love your inflections at the end of your lines

[@Pluto.1079]

bro this comment section is between geniune introversion to ppl with just no social skills. Like the way to get good socialy is to BE with others and go out of your comfort zone. I know easier said then done but still.

[@85isaboat53]

This chick owns a les paul custom she's a keeper

[@almostcheesecake]

Great taste in guitars I̶ ̶d̶o̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶b̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶g̶u̶i̶t̶a̶r̶s̶

[@85isaboat53]

@almostcheesecake gibson les paul customs are expensive. That's all you really need to know, btw I love your editing

[@almostcheesecake]

@85isaboat53 I see, gotcha Also thank you!

[@85isaboat53]

@almostcheesecake I'd love to make stuff like what you make but I suck at editing so I kinda just stick with shortform comedy stuff btw your humor is great 👍 keep up the good work

[@almostcheesecake]

@@85isaboat53 Thank you again, and I wish you the best for your own videos!

[@DragonStar524]

Being on the Autism Spectrum, I can somewhat relate more to Ryo. While I can socialize, I don't like to do it when I'm forced, and I often feel overwhelmed by the sometimes large amounts of people. My social batteries are Triple AAA sized.

[@B.2gr]

2:19 was that comedy? 💀

[@dufussmirky2362]

LOL

[@annoyingidiotfr]

lol

[@V1lkas]

u nail that 5k to end of the year easly :D

[@icarue993]

Here's a video idea on the opposite topic: Extrovert + social anxiety vs Extrovert without Social Anxiety (you come up with the names, Im terrible at them). And there are examples already in the show, and in the same band: Kita and Nijika. Kita Social Anxiety's traits differ from Bocchi. Kita tries to do whatever she needs to do to get friends, aka be socially accepted, for what? To not be lonely! Meanwhile Nijika is more confident in what she wants to do and does whatever she wants, in the same vein as Ryo. Essentially: Ryo is to Bochi, what Nijika is to Kita.

[@almostcheesecake]

tbh I did consider this, but I couldn't exactly figure out the kinks

[@Asmo60540]

Fantastic video dude. I feel like I was more Bocchi before I got a job and got more acquaintance, now I'm more Ryo as in I've realized I can be social but people are honestly just problems and I actively avoid them now

[@yesseru]

Jokes on you, im both, i dont want to socialize, and i cant either way.

[@almostcheesecake]

My man 🤝

[@Fluffy._.Doggo.123]

You gotta call it Kessoku Bando

[@GunnerXD]

4:02 it said lesbians be like

[@Ixarus6713]

I think I'm broken guys. I'd classify myself as an Ambivert. I'm really outgoing around people I'm familiar with, but around strangers I am quieter, especially if we have no common interests. E.g.: In public I will just completely avoid eye contact and often have a resting bitch face. Sometimes I don't.. but that's only when I'm in a really good mood or when I'm surrounded by friends. I both love spending time alone, and also hate it. I love it because I'm happy being alone and it lets me relax, decompress and be introspective. But I also hate it because I want to be around someone I like. I want to express myself and get out of my own head. I want to be talked both to and at. So I guess I'm boooooth? 😂😭 I'll sometimes just choose to put no effort into socialising, put in too much effort or sort of balance it out and eventually die of battery drain. Tldr: Me is the best, they don't shit talk me or anything and they like everything I like. But they tend to be a bit too "yes and" so I sometimes need a break from them. I think that's the jist of it. Damn, sociability levels are really complicated huh?

[@Matias-dr3ys]

I recommend military for anyone whoe struggles with socializing because even if you cant form connections with people you become friends anyway atleast for the duration of your service because you are always together.

[@almostcheesecake]

The Army is recruiting in my comments lol

[@HUEHUEUHEPony]

@@almostcheesecake obviously this comment incentivices russians to join it's military and iranians to do it as well, hmm not that smart if you think about it.

[@INSANEMIAC]

Nice try fed

[@shinrafugitives3880]

5:40 It's confirmed, boys. Ryo's a far-right extremist

[@aleshakaner-roth6990]

This isn’t the first time I’ve seen this idea expressed but I still appreciate this video. Personally when I first watched bocce I the rock I heavily related to Bocchi becuase for the longest time I considered myself an introvert but also chafed against that label because it didn’t quite feel right. I wasn’t quite lonely by choice but rather through social anxiety (gender stuff definitely didn’t help either though). Seeing bocchi and relating to her and people talking about her and the difference between introversion and social anxiety really helped me with myself and my own emotions and interacting with people. I used to be really lonely but now am less so and bocchi directly and indirectly helped with that.

[@almostcheesecake]

I'm glad to hear you aren't lonely anymore, praise Bocchi

[@comet.x]

tldr! bocchi isn't an introvert, she's a failed extrovert She wants to socialize but can't Ryu just... doesn't want to socialize

[@Xcluxide]

4:05 "It's healthy and beneficial for Bocchi to be exposed to Kita" DAMN RIGHT 🗣🗣