The Long-Awaited Ford CP4 Solution - S&S Ford 6.7L CP4 to DCR Conversion

[@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod]

We're so excited to be apart of this!!!

[@DS-TRUCKS]

I saw one installed behind scenes! Very cool

[@BarnStangz]

SO AWESOME!!! Can't wait to hear more about this product, especially from you ARod!

[@CPsGarage]

@@BarnStangz better time in tonight. 9pm est Livestream

[@andrewschram9652]

First thing I thought of when I started this video is PTTs opinion on this

[@sgtaaronp]

Seen this on ARODS post! He will be doing one on my truck!

[@sethveronese2563]

You guys are legends for making this happen for us powerstroke guys 🙌

[@Itsa_Mea]

S & S Diesel, making Fords great again!

[@jimm2442]

Why didn't Ford make Ford "great" again? Why does it always take the aftermarket to clean up Fords mess?

[@zekester1]

@@jimm2442 you got to remember(larger manufacturers) in many cases the accounting department dictates what the engineers can do!

[@DS-TRUCKS]

The install was pretty cool! I can't say how I saw one get installed. But I did see, behind the scenes! Very impressive!

[@AD-T]

Can’t wait to offer this to my customers. I work on all three Cummins powerstroke and duramax and now I have an answer to pump failure.

[@schmittybuilds1624]

I am an Equipment manager for a construction company that builds billion dollar “Mega Projects” . I purchased this pump for my personal truck and in the process of installing it. If all goes well I will push for these to be installed on our fleet trucks. I see this being a great investment. I can push several multi billion dollar equipment rental companies to take this route also.

[@SSfueled]

Please let us know how it goes. Thank you for your business, and willingness to spread the word.

[@1fastintegra]

Wow! Awesome job guys! Great to see a reliable fix for the cp4 issue.

[@syedullah613]

Great Product! It’s redundant system with less metal to metal contact, Better Lubrication, better fuel routing. Why would Ford not incorporate this as a stock pump???

[@richardbowles7690]

Nicely done. Congrats. And, thank you for being determined to solve a huge issue. #powerstroke #cp4

[@zekester1]

Just pre-ordered mine!!!😉...so let's get that production line running!!👍💪💯

[@kevindunlap8320]

I'm looking forward to hearing more about these and wandering if we will see them show up as oem someday. Thanks S&S and pure power!

[@paulmaxwell8851]

A friend's CP4 pump disintegrated while he was on a road trip in the winter, leaving him stranded in the middle of nowhere. It's lucky he survived. When he got the truck into the dealership the dealer said "Wow! This has never, ever happened before! It's one in a million!". The repairs cost him almost $12,000. I'd never consider buying a Ford truck, knowing that Ford can't even be honest about such a serious defect.

[@joshuawhite5979]

Finally got a little time to watch this video, I’m happy I put the 2nd gen disaster kit on my truck about a year ago and will be sticking with that until my pump Grenades but if it does I’m putting a DCR on without a doubt. You guys are killing it and top notch!

[@smithkart]

Great info!!! This is big. I am a Mechanical Claims adjuster for an extended warranty company, and we see this failure often.

[@zekester1]

Hi Mr. Smith, as an adjuster what are you looking for when determining the acceptance or rejection of a claim?...Is there a break down percentage of mechanical failure v poor maintenance by operator?

[@jtopdawg6]

After 2 cp4 failures, count me in for one on my new truck!!

[@samkinsey4863]

All we use are yalls products, can't wait to add this to the arsenal.. thank you ..

[@paulhart]

Epic! I’m gonna install this on my 2016 6.7!

[@rvadventures]

I'm on the waiting list for this, we travel all over the US to work my 2016 f350 is at 136,000 miles and my mechanic in North Carolina said this is definitely needed for my truck seeing how I travel so much and miles on my truck make my truck a victim for the cp4. Can't wait. Hopefully she'll hold up till then. In June heading to FL for a week then back either out west or somewhere we are needed, we never know until 5 to 7 days ahead.

[@six0bros]

I'll definitely be doing be reviewing this and installing this on the truck very excited about this news.

[@jasoncartwright6229]

What horse power are these rated to? Are you going to have an upgraded system in the future to handle higher horse power levels?

[@fizzi5836]

somebody will modify them eventually hopefully

[@SSfueled]

The DCR has 25% more displacement than a CP4. It will match the CP4 within the stock calibration and has more output in reserve.

[@moose2345]

Will it except tuning better then the cp4.2

[@SSfueled]

The 6.7 DCR was designed to match the CP4s pump curve and will function just like a CP4.

[@genarodoroliat3801]

Can this work for 2024 powerstroke 6.7L High Output diesel?

[@SSfueled]

We have one installed on our 2023 HO and we are aware of another 2024 that is running a DCR. Both trucks are running great. With that being said, we are still taking our time to thoroughly validate the DCR on our 2023 before we make an official announcement.

[@Powesrtoke1999]

What’s the hp limit? Also if I’m running a piping kit will this work?

[@SSfueled]

We designed this to be a durability improvement and have not tested for increased power. The DCR has 25% more displacement, but that may not equate to a 25% power increase. The DCR fits in the same space as a CP4, so there should not be any compatibility issues with other parts.

[@JaegerWrenching]

Does it flow more or less than a stock cp4 @ 2000bar? Is it more or less efficient @2000bar @stock 17-19MY max output? I'm super pumped you guys made this kit!

[@ryanstansel2338]

25% more than a cp4.2

[@JaegerWrenching]

@@ryanstansel2338 I hope so. That’s really impressive! Do you have a link to this info or where did you get this information?

[@SSfueled]

It has 25% more displacement than a 15-19 CP4.

[@ceementality]

@@SSfueled what about 21 cp4 in f250

[@danielcarey1362]

Are you able to run both the DCR conversion kit with the firewall mounted disaster prevention kit on a 2011-2016 Ford F250/F250 super duty for two levels of protection?

[@SSfueled]

The complete Disaster Prevention Kit is not compatible with the DCR, yet it is not needed. The DCR will not create fine metal debris if it does fail. The return filter assembly portion of the DPK can be retained and it will not hurt anything.

[@carloscuevas7228]

Does this apply for 2020 and up models?

[@SSfueled]

Yes. The DCR Pump Conversion is compatible with 2011 and up 6.7 Power Strokes. It is CARB compliant up to 2023.

[@patriotone755]

My biggest challenge is finding a really excellent in Western NC shop to install this new pump. I vetted several diesel shops in my area off your website and honestly need a much higher level of confidence that this pump will be professionally installed. One shop said they would need my truck for two days to check for leaks? 😮 Open to suggestions before I place my order. Thanks.

[@SSfueled]

It's not a bad thing to take a little extra time to check for leaks after the fuel system has been open. In most cases it is not needed, but a little extra quality control is good. We have good confidence in the installers listed on our dealer map. They are either vetted by the distributor they buy from our by us directly if they are a direct dealer. We do not have a lot of coverage in Western NC, so you may need to expand your search into Tennessee or Georgia. Shoot an email to [e-mail] and we can recommend a few places that are Power Stroke specialists.

[@Lmns6.7]

Gotta know how much power it can handle

[@SSfueled]

We designed this to be a durability improvement and have not tested for increased power. The DCR has 25% more displacement, but that may not equate to a 25% power increase.

[@TylerWidder]

looks like a good kit by wondering you say it helps save the fuel system. so do you guarantee it to save the fuel system or only help

[@SSfueled]

Great question. Due to how the DCR is designed, it will not generate fine metal debris if it does fail. It does not have a tool steel roller and cam like the CP4. That is what creates the fine debris that takes out the rest of the fuel system. Failures happen with everything, so it would be irresponsible for us to say that the DCR will never fail. So far, it has held up well and there have been two cases of trucks getting water in their fuel and the DCR survived it. We can't guarantee that every DCR will handle fuel contamination, but it's a possibility. We offer a two-year unlimited-mile warranty on the DCR, and if for some freak reason it fails and sends debris through the injectors, we'll make it right.

[@SVTPerformance]

Excellent work.

[@ck3561]

Awesome! I will be purchasing when I hit my 100K 👍🏻

[@optimuscrime608]

Will this work for a 2020 F550 6.7?

[@SSfueled]

Yes sir.

[@drewhartley9375]

Gonna be ordering ASAP.

[@SteveSmestad]

Just completed the CP4 /DCR pump conversion. Everything went fine. The product seems quality and great engineering. Question though. Is a prevention kit needed also?

[@SSfueled]

Thank you for choosing S&S. The DPK is not needed and it will not physically fit the pump. You are good to go.

[@John5ive]

thank you for developing this. new sub and likely will buy one

[@1BigMistakee]

Do you recommend the disaster prevention kit WITH the new pump?

[@SSfueled]

The DCR does not need a disaster prevention kit.

[@tjmakings]

Great work guys!

[@chrnc]

Here we go! RightOn

[@spenserfowler9643]

Thank you! Finally.

[@sav300]

This is perfect!! I really like the fact that Stanadyne is behind this his! When my CP4 craps out I know what I’m ordering. Might even order it ahead of time to be prepared!

[@wyo_garage20]

Why would you wait for it to fail??

[@branleesan]

@@wyo_garage20my thoughts too

[@jtopdawg6]

Don’t wait for a failure

[@sav300]

I’ve got an extended warranty with the dealership local to me. They will pay for upgrade with labor included. I mean I’ve got 60k I can rack up. If it goes out in that time frame why not take advantage of it? Once warranty is up I’ll do it myself…along with other things they don’t want me to do.

[@jtopdawg6]

@@sav300 cool beans

[@rickyklingbeil6804]

What is the horsepower limit on the new pump?

[@SSfueled]

We designed this to be a durability improvement and have not tested for increased power. The DCR has 25% more displacement, but that may not necessarily equate to a 25% power increase (if the calibration calls for it). Since it will be CARB compliant, just installing the conversion by itself will not increase output in any way. We do not recommend changing the calibration on street-driven vehicles.

[@adventuresofaboatguy]

Would this DCR still be good running B20 fuel? I am starting to see it more and more available at truck stops, especially in California.

[@SSfueled]

No issues at all. The DCR is biofuel compatible.

[@adamellerbee8927]

I'm having a DCR pump installed at the shop and was curious when I get the truck back should I continue to use fuel additives with the new DCR pump? I usually always use hot shots everyday treatment?

[@SSfueled]

Thank you for your business. Extra lubricity it never a bad thing, but it is not needed with a DCR. Clean diesel is good enough for the pressure-lubricated bushings. While we do not recommend it, we have had at least one DCR inject water and rust... and it is still in the truck and racking up miles. See here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnmmZZuDYtxgfs0

[@adamellerbee8927]

@@SSfueled thank you very much I look forward to getting my truck back from the mechanic shop with my new DCR!

[@jgofast9249]

How much is the shop charging to install the pump?

[@BetweentheCheeks00]

@@jgofast9249 Around 2k in labor to install the pump

[@bigtimearcher1]

How does this compare to the output of the Exergy 10mm?

[@SSfueled]

Since the 6.7F DCR Conversion is designed to be a durability improvement, we have yet to test the max output vs competition pumps. The displacement of the DCR is 25% more than a stock 15-19 CP4.

[@7MMag]

Finally!!!!🙌🏽

[@beauthompson8590]

Great video, I understand that you say they have been used for some time in other countries for heavy diesel applications.. but is there a reason why we haven’t seen the DCR pump platform in the us?

[@SSfueled]

We don't know the exact reason why the DCR has not been seen in the US, but we do know that it was first developed to serve the Southeast Asian market. We're excited to be working with PurePower to bring this new technology into the US aftermarket.

[@HSKFabrications]

I'll answer your real question. Yes, it's made in China.

[@christopheralger1087]

Thank you

[@genotac]

Of course! This comes out the day after I purchase your DPK, $400 bucks that could have gone to purchase this. FML.

[@uwbob6284]

LOL, and the bad part about that is that the DPK does absolutely nothing, it has never been proven nor is it guaranteed to prevent anything, and if your pump does fail with this installed they will not even cover the costs of the repair that you will need. Oh, yea, and in some cases, they leak, cause low fuel pressure, and other problems. I do truly hope that these fuel pumps work better and have guarantees that really mean something. I will wait and see myself.

[@CPsGarage]

@@uwbob6284 what are you talking about buddy??? The S&S disaster prevention kit has been proven multiple times including on this channel...... Hell even the Gen 1 kit has been proven If you've been watching Facebook at all. S&S even supplied the guy a new 2.1 system.. The fuel pressure problems happen on a certain competitors product..... 🫢🫢🫢🫢

[@zekester1]

@@uwbob6284 WOW, Mr. Negativity!!

[@uwbob6284]

@@CPsGarage LOL, yea, I get all my news from Fakebook. Did they pay for the damage that was done when the pump failed? How much damage was done to the truck when the pump failed? But I do understand selling this kind of thing does make folks a lot of cash, so what the heck as long as the sellers can get suckers to buy it might as well push it as hard as one can.

[@uwbob6284]

@@zekester1 Naw, just stating facts. . .

[@nobodyhome2318]

Same question, how much horsepower will it support? Will tuned trucks benefit from this pump Ie increased fueling vs the stock pump. I'm asking bc I'm wanting to upgrade my turbo and pump. I would love to get this pump and knock out two birds with one stone! 👏

[@CPsGarage]

Listen to the video they upload after this. It's a larger displacement pump. Read between the lines and it will answer your question.

[@SSfueled]

We designed this to be a durability improvement and have not tested for increased power. The DCR has 25% more displacement, but that may not equate to a 25% power increase.

[@rickjohn5780]

How much power will pump provide

[@SSfueled]

We designed this to be a durability improvement and have not tested for increased power. The DCR has 25% more displacement, but that may not necessarily equate to a 25% power increase (if the calibration calls for it). Since it will be CARB compliant, just installing the conversion by itself will not increase output in any way. We do not recommend changing the calibration on street-driven vehicles.

[@KAWABAGGER06]

So.. i have the s&s cp4 disaster prevention kit, will i still be able to use my dpk with this pump. I like the idea of knowing that fuel is filtered and would love to be able to keep it installed

[@SSfueled]

Thank you for choosing S&S to protect your fuel system. We don't blame you for wanting extra filtration, even on the return side. The good news is that you will not need it. The DCR eccentric drive is unlikely to make metal, even if it does fail. Unlike the CP4, the DCR case and plungers are fed independently, which is the same as running a disaster prevention kit. Due to differences in the pump, the bypass portion of our DPK will not physically fit the DCR. The return filter assembly portion of the kit does not connect to the pump, so it is possible to retain that part with a DCR install. We're confident that the return filter is not needed with a DCR, but it will not hurt anything to keep it on if you want.

[@KAWABAGGER06]

Awesome news to here as i like knowing im getting the most filtration i can. I have 220k miles on my oem cp4. I have pre ordered the dcr pump also. Between s&s , h&s diesel and a few others i have zero oem filters because i dont plan on buying another truck for a good few years. I was a cummins guy to the core but the 6.7ps just does more for me performance and towing wise . Thank you for making some awesome products

[@d0uble_O]

Hell Yeah! 🙏

[@2glhudson]

Does it cancel warranty on a new 2023 Superduty when installed?

[@SSfueled]

We would love to claim that it doesn't, but that decision is entirely up to Ford. If anything, Ford should be recommending the DCR since it will reduce their warranty risk.

[@BetweentheCheeks00]

This would void your factory warranty for sure

[@mr8610]

What sort of horsepower does this support?

[@SSfueled]

We designed this to be a durability improvement and have not tested for increased power. The DCR has 25% more displacement, but that may not necessarily equate to a 25% power increase (if the calibration calls for it). Since it will be CARB compliant, just installing the conversion by itself will not increase output in any way. We do not recommend changing the calibration on street-driven vehicles.

[@mr8610]

@@SSfueled relatively speaking the output should be the same then as the CP4, which should allow elevated power levels to where the CP4 holds. It’ll be interesting to see once people get these on their trucks! Thanks for the reply.

[@jasonkubitz9410]

Definitely interested!

[@91stealthrt2]

Is there any sort of update as to a timeline when this will be available? My truck is in the shop for what I suspect is a pump failure right now and would love to have it fixed right without having to worry about a cp4 again.

[@SSfueled]

We hate to hear that your truck is down. We are shooting for a June release, but we want to be sure the DCR kit flawless when we do start shipping them. Here's a link to our latest video that explains the timeline. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWqwgomdZqZ6jNU

[@user-cw1yy9xh4y]

Sweet!

[@olhesty2196]

Hells yeah!!!!

[@powerstrokemaintenance]

Finally! So excited for this. You're about to make a pile of money haha

[@ericaleman8716]

When will this be available to buy

[@SSfueled]

We are taking our time to properly validate it. Once the test vehicles hit the desired mileage, we will get the pumps back for inspection. If it all looks good, then we will release the 6.7F DCR to the market. Our target is April-June of 2023.

[@jimandvalstravelchannel]

Guys, I want to put a DCR on my new 2024 F550. Just got the vin# from Ford. Truck should be in my hands sometime in Late October. Will be a full-time traveler starting in 2024. How soon could I get one installed in my truck?

[@SSfueled]

Congratulations on the new truck! We are currently testing the DCR for 2023+ models. Ford went with a larger displacement CP4 for the 2023 model year and we need to make sure the DCR will match the output. We do not have an exact ETA for 2023+ support, but we'll be sure to spread the word on social media and via email when we do. You can sign up for email updates at the bottom www.SSdiesel.com. Thanks for asking!

[@Embarq007]

Has more are produced, etc. cost of the DCR should go down?

[@dustinbieri9786]

So how are these in a performance aspect? Higher flow compared to like a 10mil stroker or pretty much the same as a 17-19? What's the max bar psi with this? I know it says no tuning but I know a 11-14 pump in a 15+ truck runs like crap or vice versa. Just curious about the no tuning needed and flow numbers.

[@antoniosamudio3056]

Do you still need to time it I know on the duramax you don't I'm just curious

[@00powersmoke]

Power limits?

[@SSfueled]

We designed this to be a durability improvement and have not tested for increased power. The DCR has 25% more displacement, but that may not necessarily equate to a 25% power increase (if the calibration calls for it). Since it will be CARB compliant, just installing the conversion by itself will not increase output in any way. We do not recommend changing the calibration on street-driven vehicles.

[@00powersmoke]

Noted, So then in a competition/racing application. It's about an equivalent to a 10 mm stroker cp4 pump.

[@dudestuff1557]

Hooray!! Will this work with existing tunes on the trucks?

[@SSfueled]

The 6.7F DCR Conversion is plug and play for the stock calibration. We have not tested it with any other calibration, but the ECU will control it the same as a CP4.

[@6doorshopdavid980]

It does actually perform a lot better than the factory pump with race tunes

[@rayc5255]

Shop just called after DCR installed. Manager wants to know if the computer needs reset for adaptive learning? If not I can ho pick it up hoping to get a kwik answers

[@rayc5255]

Got in touch with A Rod and on my way to pick her up. Both relieved and excited to get this bulletproofing measure done!!!

[@SSfueled]

The DCR pump curve matches the CP4. It is not needed to reset the learning. Thank you for your business!

[@rayc5255]

@@SSfueled Thank you also. Truck running great! Driving with a highly improved peace of mind.

[@skyvwest]

FYI web address doesn't work. Where can we buy this?

[@cauywarner7136]

Looks like their website is down. I just tried too.

[@CPsGarage]

Full send diesel is doing pre-orders

[@cauywarner7136]

@@CPsGarage how much?

[@CPsGarage]

@@cauywarner7136 it shows 1990.00

[@zekester1]

Pre-ordered mine with Tim @ Accurate Diesel

[@LEKS6652]

What’s the highest mileage recorded on one of these pumps?

[@geoffreyhudson2975]

I need this

[@landonfox5168]

Wounder when 2020 and up will be available?

[@mackwoodcock7484]

I am very serious in consideration of your product but what guarantees do I have for the future

[@SSfueled]

Our name is the guarantee. We offer a two-year unlimited-mile warranty on all products. The DCR conversion is not available yet because we are taking our time to properly validate it. Once the test vehicles hit the desired mileage, we will get the pumps back for inspection. If it all looks good, then we will release the 6.7F DCR to the market. Being a company owned by former Bosch and Cummins engineers, we are particularly cautious when bringing a new product to market. We want it to be flawless before we put our name on it.

[@lendaniels7348]

Finally!!! One biggest question is how good is your warranty? I had a cp4 failure 15 mins. after installing the D.P.K. Truck only started up 5 times after I installed your kit. So now kit is a 400.00 paperweight. To keep ford's warranty on the new pump I could not put your D.P.K. back on or it would void the 2 year unlimited mileage parts and labor warranty for the whole fuel system from Ford. S&S did email me asking for my phone number, I replied with it and no one has EVER called back.

[@zekester1]

@Len Daniels did Ford give you a reason for the CP4 failure?...Also what was their rationale for leaving off DPK?

[@lendaniels7348]

@@zekester1 no, just that there was metal shavings in the filters. Plus pump would only reach 960 psi. Instead is the 5k psi needed to start. If I put the dpk on It would void the new pump warranty. When I installed the dpk it started. Ran it a few mins to check for any leaks, shut off to clean everything up, moved out of shop to change oil, started to warm up and checked oil level. Then it never would start after that.

[@zekester1]

@@lendaniels7348 it sound to me the pump was having issues before putting on the DPK...if your fuel tank wasn't super low and you ran the truck for just a few minutes...it seems to me that little time would not have put metal shavings in both filters...did they replace your whole fuel system?

[@lendaniels7348]

@@zekester1 yes they replaced whole fuel system. I told them to give back the line I modified to install kit. Never had any trouble with truck ever starting and I've been in -2 weather. Truck had 115k mile one it. Know of one other guy that his truck died while running at hwy speed and then truck would never restart. His truck had 75k miles on it, but Ford covered it under warranty. Ford was going to cover 90% till they saw a installed the dpk and denied any help.

[@zekester1]

@@lendaniels7348 man, sorry for all the trouble...I've had my DPK on for about a year & 4 months no problems...I think they took advantage of you in this case....the dealer I go to is the one that put on my DPK & many others in the area

[@travislee273]

So. Is it not possible to have a oil lubricant fuel pump? I don’t know exactly how the fuel pump makes the pressure but I just feel like it could be done without the fuel going to the crank case of the pump.

[@DragsterJeffCrider]

If we could only get original equipment manufacturers to pay for this replacement.

[@rusti7447]

does this conversion void ford warranty?

[@tombentley887]

Awesome thanks for your work .

[@treesquatch9150]

Warranty?

[@SSfueled]

It will come with the standard S&S warranty: two-years, unlimited-miles. See full warranty policy here: www.ssdiesel.com/faq/

[@geoffreyhudson2975]

When's it gonna be available

[@SSfueled]

We are taking our time to properly validate it. Once the test vehicles hit the desired mileage, we will get the pumps back for inspection. If it all looks good, then we will release the Ford 6.7 DCR Conversion to the market. Our target is April-June of 2023.

[@originalchilehed]

Sounds cool. Your validation testing did include running fuel contaminated with water and DEF, right?

[@SSfueled]

No. The DCR is designed to run on diesel, so that is what we are validating for. It could be more resistant to contaminants, but we want to make sure it's 100% under normal conditions first. Even though the OEs don't validate for contaminated fuel, maybe that would be something worth testing as an added benefit. Thanks for the idea.

[@originalchilehed]

@@SSfueled Thanks for the honest reply! As I understand it, most CP4 pumps don’t fail when using uncontaminated fuel with good lubricity, so when doing a redesign it’s not enough to show that a sample of the new pumps also don’t fail when using good fuel. To truly demonstrate an improvement you need to show that a contamination level that will cause, let’s say, 50% of a sample of CP4 pumps to fail in 48 hours, will not cause any of the redesigned pumps to fail when testing more of them for longer periods of time. It should only take a couple of months on a test bench to do such testing, and being able to say that you did it would be a great marketing point. That being said, the design changes you've described do sound very promising.

[@Powesrtoke1999]

Can you run the disaster kit with this?

[@codyphillips48]

No need to

[@SSfueled]

The DPK is not compatible with the DCR, but it is not needed. The DCR internal plumbing feeds the case and plungers independently

[@richardkeyes986]

So when is goint to be available. I know ya can pre order.

[@SSfueled]

We are shooting for a June release. Here's a link to our latest video that answers many of the questions we have received. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWqwgomdZqZ6jNU

[@richardkeyes986]

I have mine ordered.

[@krisk5585]

game changer.

[@jeradweeks]

$1900???

[@SSfueled]

$1,990

[@natewiltsie6279]

When does the one for 2020 F350 come out?

[@SSfueled]

We're hoping to have 2020-2022 compatibility by the end of the year.

[@jimm2442]

Ford has provided amazing business opportunities for the aftermarket for years. The 6.0 and 6.4 diesels, and this, a clear example on the 6.7. My question involves Ford's lack of respect for its customers by not doing this themselves? I can understand back in 2011 when Ford and GM both started using the CP4 simply because it was lightweight, inexpensive, and it worked only to find out they were a huge problem and a fatal design flaw. GM fixed this in 2017 with its use of the Denso HP4 on the L5P diesel. Ford continues use of the CP4 and it took the aftermarket to solve this problem. Many Ford and GM 2011 to 2016 customers have had to foot the huge cost of a new fuel system and this continues with Ford 2011 to current. Why would anyone purchase a Ford product that has time and time again displayed such a huge disrespect for customers by continuing to use known defective parts, the CP4.2 for example? SSfueled along with Stanadyne have apparently solved this problem why didn't Ford? Why would anyone that does any amount of research buy a Ford?

[@kelceyk8199]

Because despite what your anecdotal experience on the internet may indicate, the CP4 failure rate is extremely low to the point of being a non-issue. Less than 1%. Combined with the fact that the ford trucks are usually of much higher quality overall in the chassis and body than GM and Chrysler, that's your answer.

[@techs1smh13]

Not me bought my first Chevrolet after 30 year's of Ford's.will never do it again.

[@wyo_garage20]

@@kelceyk8199 your entire comment is bogus. Lies.

[@Elkhunterguy]

Don't blame the pump...blame the fuel. The enviros have forced this on us. Look at the failure rate with this pump over the pond. They have hardly any failure rate because of the lubricants they have vs the American diesel fuel.

[@jimm2442]

@@kelceyk8199 If this is a non issue then why the hell did SS Fueled go to all this expense and trouble? Why is there a disaster prevention kit? Why is there a class action law suit against Ford over this? I cannot believe the level of blind loyalty to a company that could care less about its customers, it is just crazy.

[@curtisarthur6830]

Where can I get your disaster kit

[@SSfueled]

The S&S Gen2.1 Disaster Prevention Kit can be purchased online from various stocking dealers and they are also available on Amazon. Make sure you are choosing the real S&S version, as there are several knock-offs in the market.

[@williamlake4841]

What makes the dcr different from the cp4?

[@zekester1]

Did you watch the video?? Luke gave a good explanation of the differences!!...GO BACK & LISTEN!!

[@williamlake4841]

@@zekester1 yes I watched the video. I didn't understand the difference in the mechanical, and metallurgical.

[@zekester1]

@@williamlake4841 For more info go to SSfueled KZbin channel Luke has a very detailed vid on CP4.2... Stanadyne has more stuff on the DCR

[@williamlake4841]

Thank you. I see the difference now.

[@zekester1]

@@williamlake4841 Got one more video for you(may be the best) you tube channel GREG_ALBERALLA title New Ford 6.7 Power stroke solution!!....it's 17+ minutes but from time point 8:32 to 13:32 they really show the operational differences of CP3, CP4, & DCR pumps...watch Greg (@the 11 minute mark)try to turn the CP4 by hand it has a lot of resistance v the other two pumps

[@MARINE1FORCE6425]

Why don't ford just start using it so we don't have to waste more money on those trucks?

[@SSfueled]

We're trying. There are long-standing relationships and agreements at play. We would much rather sell to the auto manufacturer and do it right the first time around. Until that happens, we have a better option for Super Duty owners. We feel your pain. Spending that much money on a truck, you want it to be rock-solid from the factory.

[@stockenterprises9391]

Will this work with the disaster kit I just installed from you guys? Or will it have to be removed?

[@sammy9452]

Me too like to know that answer

[@davecarroll4086]

DPk is not needed and will not work.

[@SSfueled]

The DPK is not compatible with the DCR, but it is not needed. The DCR internal plumbing feeds the case and plungers independently.

[@sammy9452]

Wish they said something before bought this kits.

[@nickert0n]

Would this work on my 2009 Diesel Supery duty?

[@legohead6]

No, totally different motor

[@JohnSmith-lw2bm]

Cost?

[@SSfueled]

$1,990

[@eugenebusenius2399]

When does this come out on market?

[@SSfueled]

We're shooting for June of 2023, but we do not want to rush it. There are a lot of moving targets, including desired mileage on the fleet of validation vehicles. You can go to www.SSdiesel.com/DCR to sign up for our email notification list.

[@russlotsberg1250]

Is the disaster prevention kit still necessary with this upgrade?

[@SSfueled]

The DPK is not compatible with the DCR, but it is not needed. The DCR internal plumbing feeds the case and plungers independently.

[@banger881]

What is the price point on this unit you just talked about the pump but didn't explain anything like how unique it could be that you didn't demonstrate the differences !

[@SSfueled]

The price will be $1,990. Start watching at 11:08 to learn about the differences between the CP4 and DCR.

[@banger881]

@SSfueled If I'm demonstrating something for $2k it's better to be under direct light like outdoors and the price is close to double better be Made out of titanium 😂🤦‍♂️ what's the warranty on the pump that was poor demonstration to be honest

[@R1Raven2008]

@@banger881 Apparently your hearing is not very good. The explanation of the difference between the CP4 vs DCR was more than adequate. And if you are NOT willing to pay an additional $800-$900 then go ahead and buy another CP4. If I remember correctly the only pump on the table during the video, that will send bad material to the injectors and fuel rails IS: wait for it...........The CP4....... But you go ahead and save $800 and gamble with another CP4... 😵😵😵

[@banger881]

@Wayne I'm mechanic who the heck should u be 🤣😂 I work on my own truck do u ? Keep talking crap 2017 ford f350 160k miles never the cp4 was replaced change fuel filters every 20k miles you will hardly have any problems specially adding hotshot diesel Is fuel additive

[@gorillaman08zx]

OK with this not being proven, if it does fail, are you guys willing to cover the damages to peoples trucks? With a $2000 price tag there should be some guarantees!

[@SSfueled]

Our name is the guarantee. We offer a two-year unlimited-mile warranty on all products, pending an inspection. We're confident that the DCR will not cause additional damage if it fails, but we'll make it right if does. If it fails due to contaminants, that's a different story. The DCR conversion is not available yet because we are taking our time to properly validate it. Once the test vehicles hit the desired mileage, we will get the pumps back for inspection. If it all looks good, then we will release the 6.7F DCR to the market. Being a company owned by former Bosch and Cummins engineers, we are particularly cautious when bringing a new product to market. We want it to be flawless before we put our name on it.

[@6doorshopdavid980]

I just put your kit on a 2015 f250 it's really great quality and the instructions are top notch and very precise .

[@josephmolin]

Great news for us. Besides the fact that this pump eliminates the CP4 problems the only other thing I cared about hearing was the Horsepower capability of this pump. Does it flow more than a Stock 2022? Will it run high-performance aftermarket Injectors without starving them for fuel? Not to sound negative, but thank you for this awesome innovation.

[@josephmolin]

@@carterlawson5784 Yes it is. They are just taking orders for 11 to 19 first. There is a second video of them explaining this.

[@josephmolin]

@@carterlawson5784 If you simply watch the video they posted after this one you would hear what I said in my last reply...

[@CPsGarage]

@@carterlawson5784 it's definitely coming.

[@SSfueled]

You're welcome. We designed this to be a durability improvement and have not tested for increased power. The DCR has 25% more displacement, but that may not necessarily equate to a 25% power increase (if the calibration calls for it). Since it will be CARB compliant, just installing the conversion by itself will not increase output in any way. We do not recommend changing the calibration on street-driven vehicles.

[@josephmolin]

@@SSfueled Peace of mind is more important than hp numbers. Thank you for the reply.

[@awisemanoncesaid7356]

Does this require lifting the cab?

[@SSfueled]

No. Here's a links to a few install videos: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaC1i4edfLSXeNk and kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZerg3iVeZljbrM

[@awisemanoncesaid7356]

Another question. Can the public buy these yet? Have yall started shipping?

[@SeaPro360]

How much $$$?

[@SSfueled]

$1,990

[@SeaPro360]

@@SSfueled Gotdam! That's about 3x too much. Who is going to replace a pump that's not failed? You would sell the heck out of them at maybe 1.5x-2x the price of the DPK. I understand a whole system is 10k. Nevermind, I had no idea a standard replacement was $500-$1000.

[@legohead6]

@@SeaPro360 Not sure where you are replacing a CP4 for $500-$1000. Many people depend on these trucks for their livelihood, an unexpected CP4 failure can be extremely inconvenient and costly in lost revenue. a $2000 investment up front is a no brainer to many if it eliminates the failure point. Its only a few hundred more then a replacement CP4, and that assumes you had a DPK when the CP4 failed...

[@SeaPro360]

@@legohead6 Yeah, you're right. I just can't get an answer to this question: How many current CP4s fail without gasoline/water/def contamination?

[@legohead6]

​@@SeaPro360 probably very few, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was a direct fault of the owner/operator(pumped from a low volume station that had contaminated fuel in its tanks, etc) Plus accidents happen, we all have our momentary lapses and do stupid things. I would be curious to know how robust a DCR would be in the case of DEF. And if the DCR can handle it could the injectors?

[@hairtrigger903]

Don't buy the dcr from injectorsdirect they have a core charge.

[@SSfueled]

The DCRs are brand new pumps that do not require a core charge from S&S. It seems that there is a bit of confusion we need to clear up with Injectors Direct. They are a great stocking dealer and we do not want to discourage purchasing from them. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, we'll get it sorted out.

[@hairtrigger903]

@SSfueled thanks for the reply. I emailed them asking why they are changing a core charge, and it's was because they wanted to rebuild the cp4. I assume to convert it to a cpx. The core is 200. I guess a discount code that got 100 off the core, but it just seems ridiculous to charge a core for what needs to be phased out. I would have liked to have bought from s&s directly, but I was told I had to go through a dealer. Yall emailed me 3 dealers that were out of stock, and even their prices fluctuated by 100-200. I'll gladly send my invoice to you. The next disappointment was I had originally orded from xdp that showed it as backordered after checkout. The date it was expected was 7/17, and then it'd get moved a few more days once it was within 7 days of the 17th. I will say injectors direct got it to me fast. Thanks

[@InjectorsDirectCom]

@@hairtrigger903 Thanks for sharing your feedback. Typically, all injectors and pumps we sell are sold on an exchange basis (with a core return required) even if a core return is not required by the manufacturer. Some manufacturers require cores to be returned on new parts, while others do not. We find it is easier and simpler to require a core on everything. Most customers have no use for their old CP4 pump (in many cases they are eager to be rid of it), and have no problem sending it in as a core. We do not require you to pay a core deposit up front in order to purchase a DCR conversion kit. We have the option available to place a temporary hold on a credit card until the core is returned to avoid paying any core deposit up front. To be clear - in the case of the @ssfueled DCR pump, S&S does not require a core return. That requirement comes from us, and we do what we can to work with our customers and make it easy for them. As you experienced, we have the the DCR kits in stock, ready to ship the same day, and are offering them for the best price available at $1990.00. If a customer has an extenuating circumstance that would require them to keep their old CP4 pump, we invite them to reach out to us and discuss what options we have available. We would be happy to work with anyone to help them get the parts they need to get their truck back on the road. Hope this clears up any confusion. If you have any additional questions, feel free to reach out to Daniel at 1-800-500-0980 or send an email to [e-mail]. Thanks!

[@hairtrigger903]

@InjectorsDirectCom so I as I stated before, shop elsewhere for your future diesel needs

[@hairtrigger903]

@SSfueled good luck clearing it up. "Most people are reluctant to send us a cp4" my cp4 is still working its worth more than the core, if something goes south on the dcr.