The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim - Review - Mind-Numbingly Boring

[@haroldasraz]

Silmarillion is terrific, and I recommend reading it along with the main novels or first, as it makes much more sense about all the races, characters, and locations in Tolkien's world.

[@adriandenton6637]

I adore that book...more than lotr.

[@pantalaemon2795]

It's my favourite book... Still would never recommend it to people just getting introduced to Tolkien

[@starshiptrooper2354]

Thanks for warning. Saved me from wasting 214 minutes of boredom

[@margaretwood152]

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[@purefoldnz3070]

yeah, its pretty bad.

[@Alexander-xh7zm]

As a lifelong LOTR fan I genuinely feel robbed after paying to see this cheap soulless mess.

[@floridafan561]

It’s not 3.5 hours … It’s 2 hours and 14 minutes ( 134 minutes )

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@Alexander-xh7zm yeah me too but at least the ticket prices are cheap here.

[@WilAdams]

One of the most surprising things I discovered was what a great fantasy writer Orson Scott Card is. His short story (Maps in a Mirror collection) Middle Woman is such an interesting take on dragon lore, meanwhile, his novel Hart's Hope is more the typical tale from a 'medieval tavern' than anything like Lord of the Rings (think the scenes in Prancing Pony in Bree) Oddly, from the same collection (Maps in a Mirror) Orson Scott Card writes Lost Boys a horror story more original and far better than anything put out recently by Stephen King.

[@faustoutloud]

2:09 this is exactly why this probably failed she had ZERO story in Tolkien's lore why the f would they make a whole movie for her it makes no sense 😅. Her name isn't even mentioned in the books yet it seems they built this entire movie around her another Female Warrior the world can be yours type character Yawn Boring.

[@jrconway3]

Apparently the "reason" she was unnamed is because she didn't marry and bare children. Even though she won the f***ing war in this film. This is feminist slop. A woman who won a war like this absolutely WOULD be named in the history. Its such an absolute bullshit narrative. (Nevermind the fact that she never won the war, Frealeaf did. She usurped Frealeaf's role.)

[@tnndll4294]

Just watch FRIEREN or Hilda if you want good animated Fantasy.

[@tnndll4294]

They both have strong female leads without being woke.

[@Linebecken]

​@@tnndll4294 Hilda in the later seasons definitely goes a bit in that direction but still decent enough

[@AlanDraven]

You and I usually have very similar tastes when it comes to movies but, man, I feel like we both saw a totally different film! Just came back from seeing it and I absolutely loved it! I found it very engaging and had no problem with the animation style. It's not perfect but it looked beautiful. I loved the old school Anime and Sword & Sorcery vibe of the movie; kind of reminded me of Ladyhawke at times. And I didn't find it dragged at all in its running time. The Two Towers, the last hour of The Return of the King, and The Hobbit movies; now those are movies that drag on and on. I didn't find any minute of its 2 hrs 15 min runtime to be boring or needless exposure. You must've been in a foul mood when you saw it 😅 Anyhow, I'm seeing more and more positive feedback now that the movie's open wide. I feel like a lot of the negative criticism for this movie is from Tolkien worshippers who won't accept anything written in the LOTR realm by anyone other than Tolkien. I look forward to watching it again on Blu-ray ⚔

[@titusvarughese5071]

People are fed up of Boss girl movies. Enough Hollywood, just stop.

[@Dani-kq6qq]

Moronic critics like " muh girl boss" distract from what is wrong with this. I don't give a crap if it the lead character has a dck if the movie is still bad.

[@purefoldnz3070]

and this film is sadly one of the worst girl boss tropes I've seen.

[@WilliamNeish]

So sick of girl boss bull shit

[@firenze6478]

@@purefoldnz3070it’s not the worse, it just fails to break the mold. Amazon’s Rings of power and wheel of time are far worse

[@raymondsmith6870]

Wicked is sure raking it in with 2 Girl bosses in the movie.

[@fernandolandin4624]

Good thing I went to watch the movie. Film is great and it is a privilege to see this kind of movies in the big screen. You don't have to trash a movie just because is animation.

[@CoffeeBrainzz]

I think there’s was only like 3 minutes of the whole movie that actually felt like LoTR. I kept completely forgetting what I was even watching.

[@ozi618]

We stopped going to the movies, and now we even stopped wishing that a good movie could be made.

[@JeremyBrubacher]

Same here I only go if there is something that looks really good and has good reviews. Like Nosferatu by Robert Eggers, I will be seeing that ASAP, but I can’t think of the next time I will be at the theatre after that.

[@funwithfacts9413]

Inside Out 2, The Wild Robot, and Wicked, are really good movies you should check out.

[@calloway1972]

we have regal unlimited passes. we go 2 times a week. there are plenty of good movies out there .. just a lot of them are movies that don't get all the attention.

[@kassaken6521]

Sonic 3 and nasferatue are the last hope for me this year, lol

[@tjjordan4207]

Hearing about how they made the story about another character instead of the one that Tolkien intended to be the main character is frustrating. Seriously, who thought that was a good idea?! Hera’s story could have worked if she was a supporting character, while Helm was the main protagonist, having her go from a young woman who dreams of adventure and becoming a warrior to someone who understands her duty as a royal person and the value of family by the end of the movie. I did a small rewrite that has Hera training for the coming war and her father decides to train her himself, both as a way to give her the ability to defend herself if necessary and also to spend more time with her, but forbids her from fighting on the front lines. There’s even a conversation the two have where he warns her of the reality of war, that isn’t like in the tales she read about, and also tells her that he once had dreams as a young man but gave them up for duty and family, eventually finding even better purpose and reason for living in his children than any dream could have. Though she doesn’t understand, he promises a day will come when she will. And by the end of the story, Helm is killed and Hera realized how right he was about war, her illusions shattered. She goes on to marry for political reasons to rebuild her kingdom and has her first child, fully understanding what her father was talking about.

[@declanlee7864]

Yeah but girl boss trumps intelligent story telling

[@nevskislake]

True story, but the ad playing before your video was a trailer for The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim. How timely! Lol! I hope you have a great weekend, James!

[@tnndll4294]

War of the Borehirrim

[@frankallen3634]

The original trilogy was so painfully boring. Good god I thought it would never end

[@ffejgib]

I've seen it at a matinee with $5 AMC discount on Thursday. The plot was weak but the action was worth seeing on a big screen. I've looked at other showtimes & noticed that there's very few seats reserved & will be moved to a smaller screeing room.

[@dougsmith8104]

4:45 you are the best. Please never change!!!

[@faustoutloud]

😅 I can't believe they let this happen to another LOTR can we just get great LOTR storys 😢 for the love of god I'm so pissed about this.

[@deanzaZZR]

Sounds like it will be coming to the small screen quickly enough. I agree with your take on Anime being an art style to tell Japanese stories only.

[@margaretwood152]

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[@FingolfinNolofinwe]

It was 1 million times better than Amazons Rings of Power

[@mikeysouza7678]

How much did it cost to make will be a number 2 animated film? And how do you feel about it?

[@gregorycollins6561]

Spend $20 and read the books. Excellent advice!!!

[@Magicman1625]

It was a solid 9/10 for me. My friend and I loved it and are surprised to see it being disliked it was so well paced!

[@alexkogan9755]

It’s disliked because the brainlets in WB took a story based on a very specific character and replaced him with somebody who was only mentioned in passing in the source material.

[@Magicman1625]

@alexkogan9755 I think that was a good move tho it added the ability to see past the events of Helm freezing without feeling tacked on. I really feel like people are being to harsh on the film and with time people will get over it and accept its vision and then be able to see it in a new light! It really is a great film worthy of being within the Peter Jackson film verse.

[@alexkogan9755]

@@Magicman1625 Except Jackson tried to do that with Arwen and reversed course when he realized that was a bad idea. WB did not get the memo.

[@Magicman1625]

@alexkogan9755 Doesn't really change my feelings on the movie I think what they did hear was nothing short of incredible! The pacing the storytelling all great in my opinion. I don't feel like anything was lost by giving Hera more to do

[@AlanDraven]

Same here! I absolutely loved it! Found it compelling to watch from beginning to end.

[@whrecordings]

Ultimately I think the issue is LOTR isn't really a franchise IP in the way Hollywood thinks it is. You have your big Tolkien fans (like yourself) who love all the books and the lore, but the majority of people are casual fans who like the Jackson films and that's basically it. Just slapping "LOTR" onto something isn't really a selling point, especially after both The Hobbit & Rings of Power.

[@jmil843]

I knew it. It was only made to keep the rights to LOTR.

[@jacketernity4609]

Man… I was really looking forward to this & all the reviews seem incredibly mixed to negative. I loved the idea of doing this in animation (& an anime style) too. Might have to wait for it to come on MAX. Keep it up. 👍🏻.

[@purefoldnz3070]

yeah its pretty bad, wait for streaming. Hera is awful and the bad guy is worse than Kylo Ren.

[@spencerfrankclayton4348]

The Hobbit movies would have been much better without studio interference. One or two films made where Jackson had the final say on everything and could use some Hobbit-era material in the films would've been perfect. Still, unlike, ROP and WOR, the characters and overall plot is still there.

[@OdinAesthetic]

Like star wars: trust in the brand name is dead. Its been dead. I hear the name: No thanks. What's next for this treatment? Dune ? Game of thrones?

[@KongGig]

Too bad because I would have really liked to experience the Lotr Fan hype that existed when I saw the original trilogy.

[@adriandenton6637]

Read the books and experience it x 50.

[@Opocrious]

I just saw it, it was between it and Kraven though. Nothing good comes out in theatres.

[@jrconway3]

Sonic 3 in two weeks...

[@colbyentzminger217]

I thoroughly enjoyed this film. It was a great time with awesome characters I enjoyed. I’m taking time to better formulate my thoughts, by me initial impression is that Hera is not the typical win every time female many were expecting. Hammerhand is not only a sick fighter, but also an exceptional father.

[@JamesCooper-z2b]

Berserk and claymore manga are some fantastic dark fantasy series to get into

[@tzzeek]

Claymore is so good. watched the anime long ago and read the manga. do you know if it's still ongoing?

[@JamesCooper-z2b]

@@tzzeek it ended in 2014

[@tzzeek]

@@JamesCooper-z2b That's fantastic news. guess i'll get me some beers and snacks this weekend to read the whole thing. Thank you

[@VividAMVs]

Berserk isnt whole unfortunately ​@@tzzeek

[@sometimesfriendly9839]

The ironic thing is that the audience they think they're making this for doesn't want it, not at the levels you need to justify the production of a general release (not art house) movie. Still, I would say mission accomplished with The War of the Rohirrim. They needed to get a movie out to keep the rights and this is a movie and at $30 million not too expensive. I had to edit my original comment because Google AI said the production cost was $93million, but that was the average cost of Peter Jackson's original movies.

[@abetterday-8201]

Describing RotK as a deeply flawed movie is insane.

[@eugene8498]

Hera ain't that bad. People are complaining about girl BOSS, but she really isn't. Héra didn't shout at the court at everyone "I have a tempest to not marry no man". She begged Wulf in a whisper to not propose, cause she knew the system: marriage is not up to her. She only refused Wulf in private and she offered to marry Wulf when later she found out Wulf was starting a war. She wanted to ride out and fight but she respected and obeyed her father. I mean compared to RoP's Galadriel, she's a saint. I can have a friend like her (unlike Galadriel).

[@bloodytapes4516]

Did you like Seventh Son?

[@Jay828__]

Thanks for the fair assessment. Needed to hear it from a trusted source

[@on_the_same_page]

LOL the push back on this video is as epic as Gandalf galloping down the hill at the battle of Helm’s deep!

[@MealsBeast]

I really tried to avoid this video with the thumbnail, as a Tolkien nut, I am devastated. I will still see it due to my respect for Peter Jackson, Philippa Boyens and Fran Walsh. But the fact you didn't like it, will most likely mean I won't either 😭

[@hammerofscience534]

Why respect them PJ was only added for clout and the daughter got the writing job due to nrpotism. Its trash.

[@MealsBeast]

@hammerofscience534 why respect those three I mentioned? Do I need to tell you?

[@jadapandy]

Seeing it tomorrow. Better than Kraven I bet.

[@CRM-114]

Is that supposed to be an achievement?

[@Maverick.D.]

I literally fell asleep twice during the movie, and eventually walked out right after she killed the main bad guy. Ive never walked out of a movie in my entire life. This movie was so mid, and inconsequential I felt like it was wasting my time the more and more I watched...

[@jinchoung]

beg to differ but "anime" just means cartoon in japanese. as "manga" just means comic in japanese. and a cartoon created by japanese animators at a japanese studio definitely qualifies as anime. there have been a lot of collaborations between west and east that i would definitely consider anime - batman, star wars, the animatrix and now lotr... all bear the work and style of the japanese animators that worked on it.

[@DareBear2099]

Need your review of Arcane Season 2 Act 3

[@Calinks]

Well ill probably still check this out though this is some sad news.

[@raymondsmith6870]

Would you say this War of the Rohirrim is better or worse than Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Ring animated film from 1978. Don't forget Excalibur for one of the best 80s fantasy movie. I thought that Helm Hammerhand was the Tolkien version of One Punch Man.

[@seanfroelich4528]

Ridley Scott's Legend has awesome atmosphere

[@Lebowski55]

Are you gonna review the Bob Dylan biopic?

[@11DNA11]

Man i wanted to like the movie :(

[@Noctis-gaming]

Couldn’t disagree with you more. I am somebody who is against wokisms affecting lore, gender bending and all those things. There are a few KZbinrs, like yourself, who are painting a good story badly because you are blinded by your agenda, to stop agenda. Hera is not a girlboss in any way. She is beaten repeatedly by men, has to be saved by her brothers or her father. The only time she is remotely ‘girlboss’ is when she fights Wulf at the end, a boy she trained with her whole young life so knew how he fights. Although some creativity has been used to name the character, nothing in the lore is changed except how Hama dies. Your review is very disingenuous.

[@spencerfrankclayton4348]

How about Helm not even being the main character?

[@amcaesar]

So this was a placeholder like Corman's Fantastic Four movie.

[@jcwoodman5285]

Ugh! I was afraid it would blow😢... Guess I'll just listen to my audio book of Joe Biden reading the Silmarilion😬

[@fernandolandin4624]

go watch it

[@dennisb119]

One Girl Boss to Rule Them All

[@JeremyBrubacher]

This just looked like the worst possible scenario from the trailer.

[@RockyRoyale84]

WB will cease to exist after Superman releases.

[@hammerofscience534]

Wow a lot of Rangs of Powa stans in here. Face it nothing has been good since the original trilogy.

[@martinainscough9226]

Gaia - Rhea - Hera Cheers.

[@Unworshipediety]

It just looked boring. I'm all for badass females, fighting amazons, and warrior babes. I'm your guy when it comes to that stuff. Woke it up to the max! But this just looks like a movie that would have been interesting 20 years ago. The Lord of the Rings needs not to seem so unexciting. I think most people expect to see Balrogs, Rocs, and giant fantasy creatures. When I saw this had a lot of _horses_ I just rolled my eyes. Again, I just don't mind the focus on the female I just wish there was more _fantasy_ in this fantasy setting. The Tolkien stuff always hits kind of boring because everything is so rooted in neverending stasis. Stuff doesn't pop off until Sauran tries to kill everybody. There doesn't seem to be much to do for guys or girls in the story until you bring the fantasy creatures into it. The world is just boring. A great read but trying to bring it to life without starting off in a banger place is kind of like shooting yourself in the foot. The owners of this franchise won't let the writers do anything creative, so many strings, so many limitations. This is sorta what you get when you limit your creatives to basically the scraps of your franchise.

[@animusvids]

Dammit! So much mixed opinions on the movie... Now I have to watch it

[@purefoldnz3070]

its not good, just wait for streaming.

[@enriquecabada8841]

to bad i realy was looking forward to it

[@SimonCoulton]

A movie so bad it’s red pilling Grace Randolph.

[@symphony_baritone]

Saw it. Too much girl boss, not enough substance.

[@zeljkomihaljevic4259]

The funs of Tolken make better movie than Hollywood. Stop woke in Tolken world.

[@LalienX]

I mean I enjoyed it for what it was

[@purefoldnz3070]

yeah sadly it wasn't great and Hera was just a bad and bland character suffering from the "no man can tame her!" trope.

[@daniellopez3606]

You and nerdrotic are spot on waste of money and time just watch lord of the rings instead

[@Ratchies]

Yeah utterly sick of girl boss crap like this, it's a bloody cliche. Great review though James.

[@HolyG.23]

based

[@CTdonnner1991]

I knew it was trash the moment they were going to focus on Helms daughter instead of Helm and his sons. Utter feminist dogwater

[@jomamasophat8973]

This movie was pretty good. If you are a LOTR fan and book fan, you'll have fun. Don't listen to this guy

[@hammerofscience534]

Consume product, get ready for next product!

[@Gottzchalk]

This should have been another animated classic like Hobbit. Unfortunately it’s a masculine female slop, like Rings of Power

[@OnlyTrueProletariat]

So Castlevania and blood of zues aren't anime... I'm sorry but that's a dumb opinion 😂

[@Dani-kq6qq]

From the perspective of nationality, the animation studio is Japanese and director is Japanese. Plenty of Japanese anime are not made from manga. And plenty anime not made in Japan, even Japan outsources some anime to other countries like Korea and China. As a style, Anime is a definite style of 2D animation that puts less focus on fluid movement but environment detail. Even the most fluid Anime tends to have less than 24fps, usually between 6fps and 12fps. And in Japan, all animated works are anime. Your definition of anime is your own invention and yours alone. It is a word for animation. It isnt that deep, it is obviously anime to anyone with eyes

[@John-fk2ky]

Yeah… no. In Japanese “anime” just means “animation”. In English, “anime” means animation from Japan. It can be outsourced, obviously (some Western traditionally animated movies had components outsourced to Asia), but that doesn’t suddenly make the story and designs Korean just because a Korean studio got some scenes outsourced to it.

[@jonbod8996]

What a boring take, also the animation is beautiful, bad animation is a wild take.

[@laurapalmer7120]

Over 60 different companies did the animation because they were rushing to get it released by the end of the year, before New Line Cinema lost the film rights to Amazon.

[@jonbod8996]

@laurapalmer7120 honest question, have you seen it yet? I saw it tonight, maybe a handful of times at most the animation on movement looks clunky. But overall it looks really good

[@EnterpriseGeek]

Oh wow...The Rings of Power hater didnt got his perfect Lotr Movie..so how about feeling now about Peter Jackson, Phillipa Boyens and Co? Didn't work mmh? Thought they "understand the writing of Tolkien Content" as you stated in your Rop Rants😂

[@hammerofscience534]

This was written by the daughter the old crew was just named dropped for clout.

[@adriandenton6637]

Who gives a f? You don't have to take sides like a sports team. Man this new wave of geek weebs is so defensive and angry.

[@j.e.b1584]

Dude, you are so wrong. All your arguments against this movie are worthless. If you actually believe that "inventing new narratives in the Tolkien world is always bad," or that books as a medium should always be compared to the visual storytelling of a two-hour film, then at the very least, I’d like to hear your suggestions. Also, how is it possible that you see all the flaws here but not in The Lord of the Rings? There are so many narrative "catastrophes" there too: elves at Helm’s Deep, elves with pointy ears, ghosts in the Pelennor Fields. If you’re so quick to point out errors, then please enlighten us with your superior understanding. Your review is probably the worst I’ve seen-everything you say is biased, and it honestly sounds like you’re about to cry. Please don’t speak for all Tolkien fans; you’re not representing anyone.

[@jaredkippers8690]

Calm down

[@hammerofscience534]

Here's a suggestion.... Follow the fucking source material! There are only thousands of pages to pull from, you are not a better writer than Tolkien.

[@adriandenton6637]

He literally said the trotk was wildly uneven. And stop being so defensive, it's called an opinion. You're not defending your sports team.

[@John-fk2ky]

Please never speak again until you learn how to listen. The guy literally criticized The Return of the King, which most people call great. And if you’re trying to defend the new movie and call the changes in the Peter Jackson movies anything but excellent, then you are both a hypocrite and incapable of basic analysis. Jackson changes a few things for pacing or to give Aragorn a full arc since he has so much screen time, and in one case, the elves fighting at Helm’s Deep, it feels especially useful because it shows the elves actually fighting in the war (and much better than in the Hobbit movies) when you would only get to see that in the appendices. What Jackson didn’t do that this new movie did was take a character that had no name and try to make her the main character while sidelining the real main characters. Even when they added Tauriel in the Hobbit movies, her inclusion didn’t sideline anyone. It made the movies a tad more bloated, but the focus still stayed on the major characters in the book.

[@seanmiller5460]

I had a couple issues with it, but overall I found it rather enjoyable. Not enough Helm Hammerhand, questionable appearances by the watcher in the water and the white wizard... really wish they kept closer to the animation style originally teased. I think if you are going into it wanting it to be as good as the OG trilogy, you're setting yourself up for failure. Yes they tweak the lore, but not as much as the OG trilogy, and certainly not as much as rings of power... Below are MY rankings LOTR trilogy 10/10 Hobbit 7/10 Rings of power 2/10 WOTR 8/10. I'd recommend it, but I understand the animation may be a barrier to some.

[@purefoldnz3070]

I wouldnt recommend this film to my worst enemy. Not sure what film you watched. Its a made for tv level anime with awful bland characters a bad guy worse than Kylo Ren and Hera was a joke. 4/10

[@seanmiller5460]

@purefoldnz3070 I have my opinion you have yours. It's not going to be for everybody, but I liked it.

[@John-fk2ky]

I can understand liking the movie, but “tweaking” the lore? Did you actually READ the original story? The character Hera was based on was so functionally inconsequential that she didn’t even have a name. While there is obviously room for expansion, the movie’s story is wildly different (barring any other detail shifts) because all the focus is on Hera, who did none of the things in the film.

[@purefoldnz3070]

@@seanmiller5460 you can like it despite its flaws but there are many, including Hera and 'no man can tame me' trope and the ending was just god damn awful and hit every cliche and trope it could have. And this is coming from a massive Tolkien fan.,

[@seanmiller5460]

@John-fk2ky Again, I found it enjoyable. Nothing will match the OG trilogy (as far as film), but parts of that were gutted to fit the medium as well. They gave Arwen Glorfindel's role in the book, and I thought it worked rather well. After Rings of Power and the Hobbit trilogy, I found this to be a decent entry. I understand the criticism, and agree with a good chunk of it, but it remains (to me) the best of that world committed to screen since the first Hobbit movie.

[@calloway1972]

they girl bossed too close to the sun.

[@daniellopez3606]

kzbin.info/aero/PLqWW6clWCdYPMy3Fvcm3AK48Cx8ohxCKp&si=gIStmCGgNkOwrZR7 everybody this guy has been saying this since 2018 he will explain why all these rings of power and why this new movie is bad and why it’s bad from writing to directing to story plot

[@adriandenton6637]

Nerdorotic is just another grifter wanting to take us back to 1978 and taking advantage of youtube for hate hits. I agree with what he says about trop but his bias is obvious as he hates everything.