The Lost Nvidia 3DS Prototype

[@RGDYouTube]

Thank you all so much for the unexpectedly high viewership! To clarify a couple things: I didn't go into too much detail on why Nintendo stopped using the MG20, since there's not a ton of info about it in the Gigaleak - all we have are technical files piecing together the development history of the console, without the context of the internal discussions that were going on at the time. It's possible that relations with Nvidia, power concerns, backwards compatibility concerns, or supply issues could have been the factors behind it. It's not clear that the 3DS would have been more powerful with the Nvidia chip; the MG20 and the PICA200 were from around the same time, and there doesn't seem to have been a huge technical gap between them. This wouldn't have been anywhere near a Shield or Switch.

[@TerrancePersona]

Nice video man! really underrated stuff here.

[@wilkgr]

Is the E-PL5 shown at 5:46 actually one of the cameras that used the PICA? I was under the impression that Olympus had been using Panasonic's MN103-core SoCs for all their MFT cameras (and the E-PL5 is a newer camera than the DS series)

[@RGDYouTube]

​@@wilkgr It is according to this press release: www.design-reuse.com/news/30690/dmp-3d-graphics-ip-core-olympus-pen.html

[@wilkgr]

@@RGDKZbinVery very interesting! Thank you.

[@marioaddict3]

It’s so cool to see how Nvidia was working with Nintendo that far before the Switch!

[@LandonEmma]

I always knew about that and thought the 3DS did use the Nvidea but I never knew it was only in a prototype

[@KingVulpes]

makes sense considering they worked on other things like the ps3 during that time

[@dilbertfish]

Looking for that sweet moolah.

[@kanekiyoshimura5707]

NX2!

[@aetherland1883]

I wished Nintendo would be more vocal to it instead of keeping it under the rub

[@muellerhans]

5:52 Nice work of informing people how nice Nvidia is.

[@ClaireClown7]

Note that the PICA200 is just the GPU of the 3DS rather than the entire SoC. The SoC is still Sharp sourced and still has roots dating to the original GB (the original sound hardware exists soely for GBA HW emulation as well as other GBA, and DS/DSi components. I assume MG20 was dropped for compatibility reasons though the evidence of both hardware and software GBA emulators in the final 3DS is definitely suspicious.

[@RGDYouTube]

Thanks for pointing that out, I focused on the PICA200 since the CPU in both the old and new SoC was the ARM11, but it is a good observation that they returned to their usual Japanese partners after dropping Nvidia.

[@bladeoflucatiel]

is it even "emulation" if the GBA uses basically the same instruction set?

[@arwlyx]

@@bladeoflucatiel Yes, it can still be considered "emulation". Emulation is when one computer system is programmed to imitate another computer platform. Even if the Game Boy Advance (GBA) uses the same instruction set as the system it's being emulated on, the emulator still needs to recreate the hardware environment of the GBA.

[@adolfbitler]

Not true!

[@SeanGonzalezMDHEXT]

​​​@@bladeoflucatiel It's a form of hardware emulation in which the ARM 7 is set to a lower clock and natively runs the GBA code. So, that part is native, but a lot of other GBA functions are emulated, so it's a healthy mix. The emulation is spot-on though and is functionaly the same as running a GBA cart on a DS or DS Lite.

[@sebastianbass946]

I think something happened during the DS (NVIDIA) that broke off their relation (or put it on pause) and 2006-2013 NVIDIA was working to improve and win Nintendo back. My guess is that the chip was either too expensive or had too much power draw and NVIDIA took the off time to improve the chip for not only their own use, but to eventually return to Nintendo with something more custom tailored.

[@RGDYouTube]

Yeah, unfortunately all we have to go on is bits of source and header files and their associated documentation showing the development history through the time period in which the MG20 was being used, so we don't have the internal discussions associated with it. But I would guess power and maybe BC issues would be factors.

[@WTFZOMG]

this was the same era nvidia burned bridges with apple and sony. ~2015 was also when phone and tablet manufacturers completely abandoned tegra products for their SoCs. it cant be coincidence that almost everyone that worked with nvidia stopped working with nvidia during these years.

[@butterh2]

the fallout of bumpgate could also be a factor

[@spaghetto181]

@@butterh2 true

[@Anthon1996]

Thanks for making this. It's been over a decade since I saw that tech demo of the skeleton swinging a sword around.

[@jul1440]

Other info in the rumor that matched the final product was backward compatibility. 3DS was fully backward compatible with all DS software that didn't use GBA slot accessories, as well as DSi Ware titles, and, although it did not have the slot, was fully backward compatible with Game Boy Advance software _(all_ retail units contain a copy both of TWL and AGB firmware, respectively). None of this uses emulation; it's all done natively, right on the copper (i.e., no HOME Menu while in AGB_FIRM), as all three consoles are ARM-based. GBA games were planned for release on 3DS and they ran flawlessly, but when the console price dropped before they were released, they were instead released only to early (higher-priced) adopters (so-called "Nintendo Ambassadors") for free. Modders later decrypted the rom packets to inject more-or-less the entire GBA library onto 3DS. Rom injection is also possible for 3DS Virtual Console games that use emulation (GB, GBC, SGG), as well as Virtual Console on Wii U (similarly, Wii and GameCube games run natively on GC-based Wii U).

[@rlad116]

Bro cites his sources 10/10 thank god Also thanks for including song titles very appreciated

[@turtle2421]

really enjoyed the presentation style and overall professional attitude in this video :) wonderful coverage!!

[@RGDYouTube]

Thank you!

[@sebastianbass946]

Oh. I assumed this video was old and didn't get a lot of traction. I didn't realize I got here early! Great job!

[@arielchandia2]

oh man this channel always drops the best videos

[@Zodiac.]

Awesome video. I love learning about game systems that didn’t quite see the light of day

[@Great-Documentaries]

The 3DS sold 75 million (!) and trounced Sony so badly that the latter refused after the first year to disclose sales figures of the Vita and exited the handheld business completely. Nintendo won. They did so without Nvidia. Besides make the 3DS more expensive with a shorter battery life, not sure what Nvidia could have done for the 3DS.

[@AltimaNEO]

It makes sense that Nvidia was dipping its toes into the Nintendo pool. They had the Xbox and PS3 under their belt, but with no future prospects. AMD was gaining ground, especially after Nintendo already had AMD hardware in their Game Cube and Wii, not to mention they were likely already developing the next gen hardware for Microsoft and Sony that would eventually become PS4/XBone. I would guess that Nvidia didnt want to leave AMD to gain anymore ground without them at least putting up a fight.

[@christophmuller3511]

Thats not really correct for the GC and Wii - the GC had a GPU „Flipper“ designed by ArtX which was just acquired by ATI around the time when the GC came out, all the development was done beforehand and the chip shared nothing with any of the ATI graphics solutions. The Wii GPU „Hollywood“ then was basically just an improved version of the flipper chip with higher performance, but basically using the same old architecture. AMD finally took over ATI in late 2006 inheriting Nintendo as a customer right around when the Wii hit the market but, again, not really being involved in any of the development.

[@Sumire973]

The Xbox 360 had an ATI GPU tho.

[@nojuanatall3281]

The Macroloft Xbone. Man those were the days.

[@crestofhonor2349]

It's odd to see that Nintendo worked with Nvidia back in 2006 and decided a decade later to once again work with them. Plus with rumors surrounding the Switch 2 ramping up it looks like Nvidia once again is tasked with making the chip for the next Nintendo console.

[@KiraSlith]

"Nintendo TS" They were so close to accidentally predicting the Switch. Holy macaroni.

[@NotShard1]

as someone who loves the ds and 3ds, this was a immediate click. amazing video! also i dont know if this was mentioned or not, but shortly after the ds was made the soc was made for the 3ds.

[@injeolmi6]

This is very interesting! I think that, if the MG20 had been successful, maybe we would have never gotten the WiiU and went straight to the Switch. Also, I agree, _mobile graphics_ seems to be the correct name.

[@Great-Documentaries]

LOL! After the unprecedented success of the Wii, some variation of the Wii was absolutely going to be the follow-up. You simply are too young to remember what was going on back then.

[@Dan-kz9xu]

@@Great-Documentaries just let everyone speculate? idk why you felt the need to attack op just for asking a "what if" question youre weird for this

[@cherrypepsi2815]

@@Great-Documentaries Congrats on being offered a position as a Reddit mod. Didn't you hear? They saw your comments and were impressed by how much of a dickwad you are.

[@JakeB-Real]

⁠@@Dan-kz9xuhe is speculating back. It’s called a conversation. And, he’s right.

[@Chaotecsix]

The tegra was a good chip. I had a tablet running it. The graphics was impressive. The 3DS would have been a whole new animal if nvidia was a part of it Could nvidia releasing the handheld shields had something to do with them not going with nintendo? Maybe nintendo was getting sony vibes like when they teamed up to give the snes a cd drive

[@Great-Documentaries]

"The 3DS would have been a whole new animal if nvidia was a part of it" It simply would have been a more expensive animal with worse battery life. The 3DS sold 75 million (!) and trounced Sony so badly that the latter refused after the first year to disclose sales figures of the Vita and exited the handheld business completely. Nintendo won. They did so without Nvidia.

[@Chaotecsix]

Not sure about that. I could get 9 hours out of a tegra tablet playing games My 3ds with a brand new battery gets 4 hours

[@santint273]

Which Tegra? Tegra 1 was bad. Tegra 2 was mediocre. Tegra 3 was decent. Tegra 4 was good.

[@genderender]

@@Chaotecsix the 3ds also has a battery like 1/4 the size of any tablet

[@Maximus20778]

​@@santint273obviously the latest one

[@kostonjensen1810]

Dude you gotta try and find one of those cameras and try to turn it into a 3ds I feel like all you do is upgrade the ram

[@danio1864]

you’re legit one of the most underrated channels

[@RGDYouTube]

Thank you!

[@Moon-ge8mc]

I like your voice, calming and perfectly fits for a video like this :D

[@RedStoneMatt]

Funny how the one time Nintendo actually went through with NVIDIA and used their Tegra chip, it actually has a big unpatchable vulnerability that costed them the switch's security :p

[@walterwhite3029]

4K Video and good video topic with “only” 1,5k followers. That’s crazy dedication, not bad.

[@felixman9691]

Extremely interesting. I love the history of embedded cpu/much/gpu stuff

[@cxyyoutube5270]

This story sounds somewhat similar to GBAs Project Atlantis but then an incremental update with GBC came in

[@christiangomez2496]

The PICA200 was notably used in the 3ds snd a few digital cameras, but I did remeber reading about GPS/automotive applications somewhere, like the Tegra series. But I'm shicked that that the 3ds' history dates back to the DS era, which explains the even for the time weaker hardware.

[@RGDYouTube]

Yeah, the first Tegras were mostly used for mobile consumer devices before switching their focus to automotive and industrial stuff around the time of the X2.

[@pedrobeckup456]

"Pica" 😂 As a Brazilian, it is a law to laugh to this name

[@christiangomez2496]

@@pedrobeckup456 ?

[@pedrobeckup456]

@@christiangomez2496 "PICA200" is something like "P3NNIS200" in our heads. Congrats, you learned our culture!

[@pedrobeckup456]

@@christiangomez2496 In Brazil "Pica" means genitalia but in the most informal way to say it Congratulations, you learned our culture!

[@meticulouselectronics]

If they had Nvidia tech in the 3ds, it would have made porting games to switch so easy. Bah

[@cherrypepsi2815]

Adding onto Nvidia being difficult to work with: They were (and are still) so difficult to work with that EVGA decided to completely shut their doors and let themselves slowly go bankrupt instead of willingly working with them ever again. I'm dead serious. EVGA's owner stated that he had no intentions to do anything else with the company other than let it die as a hero.

[@MxArgent]

I bet making such fundamental changes to product specifications that far into the development process must be quite hard on the developers and engineers. I wonder how much coffee they drank getting the 3DS to store shelves?

[@CexDexRex]

You need to post most lost forgotten consoles

[@TechDunk]

Nice video! It looks very professional

[@ObtuseAcute1]

I loved the part where he showed that he owns an Nvidia 3DS prototype

[@mikeivans47]

Great vid! Never knew this before, and I'm a huge DS/3DS fan

[@StudioKelpie1993]

Imagine if the 3DS used the Tegra 3 Processor

[@TurboPikachu]

Gosh I remember all the Tegra rumors and staying glued to outlets at the time

[@MotownBatman]

Well Done!! New Sub; Dryden, Mich. Keep it up, very enjoyable

[@jordanwhite352]

Love this channel. Can you do either thr original Wii wich was rumored to be around xbox 360 specced or like the orignak dual cell PS3?

[@RGDYouTube]

The original higher-specced Wii was just a proposal from ATi to Nintendo (trying to sell them a higher end chip), Nintendo knew as early as the GC's release that they didn't want to do that and it didn't really go anywhere. The original PS3 is a good idea though.

[@MegaManNeo]

Hmm... given Nintendo partnered with nVidia for the Switch base for what's publicly known, I can see how they both decided to ditch the nVidia 3DS idea and go straight for the Switch considering how poorly the WiiU did.

[@ironicdivinemandatestan4262]

There was actually a completely different 3DS successor called Project Indy that didn't involve Nvidia at all, and had its own custom chip. Credit to Oldpuck on Famiboards for the writeup below: It was called "Mont Blanc" and it was in development with a partner company called STMicroelectronics (no space). ST is a giant Swiss company, and they actually manufacture the Amiibo NFC chips for the Switch. Mont Blanc went through a couple designs, and the final version before it was scrapped was a quad-core Arm Cortex-A53 CPU cluster combined with a custom "Decaf" GPU. "Decaf" was, essentially, the Wii U's "Latte" GPU stripped of all its Wii/GameCube backwards compatible circuitry, and then cut in half. Mont Blanc's performance target was actually not only lower than the Switch, but lower than the Wii U. Lemme give you some context. Iwata wanted to unify handheld and TV console software development. It was too expensive. Mobile GPUs were in their infancy, and the 3DS had a totally different GPU from the DS. Basically Nintendo had to start over from scratch with each new mobile console. But on the TV side, they had been developing their GPU platform all the way back to the N64. Nintendo had top tier 3D software engineers squeezing all this power out of a design they knew like the back of their hand, and none of that knowledge - or engine work - could be reused on the (more successful) handheld side. Nintendo launched Project Indy. Project Indy had two goals. One, standardize the handheld GPU platform with the TV platform, or as Iwata put it "absorb the Wii U architecture". The second was to build a new concept for the Next Handheld, the successor to the 3DS. On the concept side, Nintendo tried a bunch of Wild Nintendo Shit. One of the features they played with involved casting from the handheld to the TV... On the chip side, they began working on "Decaf". Decaf took the Wii U's "Latte" GPU, stripped out all the legacy support, and made it much smaller. The idea being that the Wii U would run Latte, the handheld would run Decaf, and the Wii U's successor would run a big version of Decaf. Indy would combine Decaf with Arm CPUs, because those were/are the standard for low power, high performance mobile devices. That combined chip was Mont Blanc. While Nintendo worked on Mont Blanc with ST, the concept for Indy was evolving. "Casting" had latency problems, but "docking" was promising. Somewhere in 2014, docking wasn't just a feature, it became the core concept, and the device was given a name - Nintendo Switch. The gigaleak has a document for what a Mont Blanc based Switch would look like, dated pretty late in 2014, in fact. But at the point at which The Switch wasn't just a 3DS successor but also a Wii U successor, Nintendo actually didn't need Decaf. The platforms would be unified not by a shared architecture, but by literally being the same device. If they dropped Decaf, they'd lose their historical investment, but on the other hand, they had designed Decaf to be a mini Wii U in performance, and now it needed to beat the Wii U to be its successor. Nintendo was already familiar with the Tegra line, and in 2014, the security team at Nintendo did an analysis of both the Mont Blanc design and the (unreleased) Tegra X1 design for the Switch. TX1 actually had some problems in Nintendo's view, and they were concerned about possible security holes leading to piracy. Nvidia did some fairly last minute overhauls of the Tegra Security Module to pass Nintendo's security review - apparently not even being sure they'd get the contract. While it's not documented in the Gigaleak why Nintendo went with Tegra X1 over Mont Blanc I think the answers are pretty obvious. Once Indy became the successor to not just the 3DS but the Wii U, Mont Blanc couldn't cut it. It wasn't powerful enough, but more importantly, it wasn't ready. Tegra X1s were already in production at the end of 2014, but Mont Blanc wasn't even finalized. Nvidia was also hungry for the contract. Not only did Nvidia redesign security for Nintendo before the contract was signed, they built NVN before the contract was signed. Nintendo had 15+ years of software development invested in the Wii U's GPU they had to toss, but Nvidia was willing to put their extensive driver experience on their own hardware up for Nintendo's use and put their money where their mouth was. There are documents from December of 2014 still talking about a Mont Blanc based Switch, but I suspect in honesty that the deal with Nvidia was de facto done at that point, even if on paper ST was still in the game. 3 months later, in March, Nvidia and Nintendo had not only signed the contract, they had built a functional Switch prototype. Nintendo shifted every Wii U game that wasn't announced over to the Switch, and set a release target of October 2016. They were booking it.

[@tqrules01]

The first Tegra's ran to hot and pulled to much power. They needed a less powerful GPU that could last longer and fit a smaller envelope.

[@Yes-jw8cp]

what happened to your project indy video?

[@RGDYouTube]

It's been unlisted since there were a few problems with it, we plan to do another one soon.

[@Yes-jw8cp]

@@RGDKZbin I see, thanks for the response.

[@sixmods]

Nice video! :D

[@nanoscapehd6179]

Honestly the 3DS should have just used Qualcomm at that point

[@1eyedwilli3]

I wouldn’t call the Tegra X1 chip…. It was on tablets years before the switch landed

[@LeoChrom]

Happy to see rgd back

[@marvinjoa]

Nice video, but I went deaf for a second cause I used headphones and your voice volume is too loud, it also clipped a few times.

[@RGDYouTube]

Thanks for letting me know, I'll revise the audio mixing on the next one.

[@lighthouse2786]

your intro is good

[@NL_the_Godfather]

The nividia tegra chip which costed Nintendo loss of millions of dollars since it was so easily put in failsafe mode. And made the switch hackable after a few months of launch date. I doubt they’ll stick with Nvidia for much longer

[@Elchinodawn]

Its a marginal thing compared to the deal they can get, also switch 2 is pretty much nvidia again, so

[@johnsmith8988]

piracy doesn't affect them because they still profit over hardware unlike competitors.

[@Tommi-C]

Hey, I have a Gizmondo. 3DS was much better.

[@JoshuaEpperson69]

And the switch uses a modified Tegra 1 which has as much power as a 650m. If you think about it the switch still uses modified hardware from 2012

[@JoshuaEpperson69]

Good research. I commented on the beginning before I reached the end lol

[@ihavenoideas5844]

Tegra X1 (2015) isn't close at all to the Tegra 1 (idk)

[@thekikismith]

I miss your videos man. Is there any new content coming?

[@RGDYouTube]

Yeah, we're just kinda slow.

[@nyx3983]

wonder how different performance of the 3ds would have been.

[@googleyoutubename5878]

What's the music from the credits? I recognize the pokemon gen 5 soundfront but I cent figure out which track it is (if it even is an official one and not something custom made)

[@RGDYouTube]

National Park - Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver

[@googleyoutubename5878]

@@RGDKZbin thanks!

[@ilikegetting]

7:37 what name of this music is not pop up on video

[@Isma_13XD]

Imagine playing Cod MW3 on a 2006 ds

[@kamikazilucas]

i wish the gpu in the 3ds was better, so much wasted potential considering how much better the cpu was

[@sebastianbass946]

Really cool! I don't know anyone else who would compile a video like this.

[@Krilium]

They need to continue the DS lineup, the Switch just doesn’t feel special, especially considering how underpowered it is…

[@SockyNoob]

Wait a minute, this isn't Hard4Games! Who is this?

[@rustkitty]

Oh wow! Between this first collaboration falling through and wasting resources and the Fusée Gelée unpatchable hardware exploit in early Switches, their relationship sure was turbulent. I wonder if Nintendo will ever work with nVidia in the future.

[@YUGAMISEKAI]

4 characters, T239.

[@iamyoung4eva21]

The idea was scrapped at the last min and decided to use it for later in the future which why the Nintendo Switch is running off an Nvidia Chip!

[@theemeraldwarrior9303]

What's the song at the very end of the video?

[@RGDYouTube]

National Park - Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver

[@nighty2445]

interesting video but please invest in a new mic if possible

[@rolux4853]

What a great channel! Information quality is good and the presentation is fun! I really hope you are able to grow, since there aren’t enough quality channels out there. Most is unfortunately clickbait for brainrotten idiots..

[@21bombsquad]

Subbed

[@deadlyfoez]

I'm in the video. Yay!!!

[@Jonat_C137]

pourquoi le titre et la description sont en français si la video est en anglais ???

[@RGDYouTube]

Il y a des sous-titres en français

[@monoslocosfive]

jajajaja Hasta donde se dieron cuenta que estaban viendo un INFOMERCIAL? xD

[@elchingue]

And this happened before or after the Nvidia Shield? 🤔

[@RGDYouTube]

Way before. This was in 2006, the Shield is from 2013.

[@JenrikkuAlt]

The switch's true predecessor!

[@nintendians]

thats good info.

[@huf4i3u]

new RGD video!!!!!

[@RGDYouTube]

Yeah, we're back. There should be another one out within a month or so.

[@uhohwhy]

Nintendont DiccShort

[@johneygd]

If nintendo would,ve released the iris instead,it simply wouldn’t have be that successful because of lacking something unique,while that extra screen and added touch screen did made the unit more larger and expensive,but it did led to a innovative and unique gameplay experience,nintendo knew that they otherwise wouldn’t had sonething unique as opposed to sony’s psp,not only that but nintendo did knew that they had to come up fast with their DS system at an acceptible price to avoid sony getting an edge,because eventrough nintendo claimed that their DS system was more ment for people with less experience in gaming with more advanced and friendly features as to the GBA but way more compact and less with less intimidating games then the gamecube and that it was NOT the successor of the GBA but just a handheld in between those two systems,BUT this claim was partially BULLSHIT because eventually the nintendo DS just became the successor to GBA,wich i just coud knew because the DS did had many similarities of the GBA SP such as a clamshell design,same adaptor plug and second identical gba slot,so that’s that.

[@dannyboone81]

I don't know if it matters, but Nvidia was ultimately responsible for both PS3's yellow light of death, and XBox 360's red ring of death. Nvidia's own Titan cards also suffered a similar issue. It's also possible that Sony and Microsoft now use AMD chips because they lost trust in Nvidia. Maybe some of this caused Nintendo to be skeptical about Nvidia at the time.

[@AIFT_Staff]

nvidia? I thought it's tsmc and it's packaging partners

[@dannyboone81]

@@AIFT_Staff kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6HckoBmq7t9jacsi=nZhnxX_rr4pvgsbr That's why I said Ultimately. The memory was an issue, but Nvidia also seen similar issues with Microsoft and their Titan cards.

[@Dakhil1996]

The Xbox 360 used ATI's GPU, not Nvidia's. Only the original Xbox used Nvidia's GPU.

[@dannyboone81]

@@Dakhil1996 You are correct. I misinterpreted that there were similar issues due to GPU's and heat. That being said, Sony's problem and the Titan's issues were still caused by Nvidia making the same mistake. Either way there was an issue and those issues could have also played a factor. Like I said at the beginning, I didn't know if this information mattered. The timing of the issues being discovered and maybe even the timing of all the systems being available could possibly disprove this entire theory. I haven't fully researched it, I am just pointing out that it could have been considered and eventually led to Nintendo avoiding Nvidia at the time. If it plays no factor at all then at least we have questioned its role if it had anything to do with the decision. Thank you for your correction.

[@AIFT_Staff]

@@dannyboone81 there is a rip felix on youtube who is just obsessed with ps3 repair and he said it was tsmc's fault and nvidia won the case in court, so it's not *only* nvidia's fault

[@NyctalopeDiurne]

When nVidia makes the Tegra x1, AMD makes the custom APU for the Steam Deck. And it can run Switch emulation, pretty easily. AMD winner!

[@Elchinodawn]

Steam deck APU its 7 years newer and easily isn't the correct term, but more like "rougly"

[@ihavenoideas5844]

The AMD APU for the Steam Deck is like 7 years newer than the Tegra X1

[@LyrisTheCat]

my GOD TURN DOWN THAT VOLUME MAN, it aint hard to edit audio on free software just... jesus christ that's fucking LOUD

[@Aerobrake]

GoForce not GeForce

[@spooktaculeryt2169]

Wow imagine a 3ds having switch graphics with a fan running 😂

[@ilmnhs]

ok

[@BeamerTime354]

I think the switch 2 is going to be something special for a mobile chip. I bet it will destroy the best mobile arm soc on the market.

[@affegpus4195]

Nintendo never goes for cutting edge or expensive hardware. They always go for the cheapest thing they can find that does the job. The single exception was the gamecube, and it din't worked at all for them.

[@arwlyx]

@@affegpus4195 The N64 was also a console that I'd say is an exception, built in collaboration with SGI.

[@grantschilb8019]

@@affegpus4195The SNES had a more advanced color palette than the Sega MegaDrive, and a slightly weaker CPU. Games usually looked way higher fidelity on the SNES.

[@affegpus4195]

@@arwlyx they pretty much cheaped on everything else in the n64, the whole system was very very memory bottlenecked

[@affegpus4195]

@@grantschilb8019 overall the genesis was a more powerful machine than the snes(and more expensive to make as well). Snes had more color but also lower resolution. Both on screen and tiles/sprites. The main issue with genesis was that till ~92 all the big devs couldn't make genesis games because of Nintendo's exclusivity agreement. Till then all you had was smaller devs working on genesis. The only people truly pushing genesis was sega and some occasional exceptional small dev like technosoft. By 93 you start to get some truly amazing shit. But was kinda too late really. Still, I find that Alien Soldier, the genesis' swan song, is simply unmatched by anything else in 16bit era. Still is all about the games not the hardware. There some stuff on snes that still puzzles me like super aleste

[@cydragon2.099]

imagine if Nintendo DID go with an Nvidia GPU for the Ds and 3DS they would've been possibly easier to hack and get an emulator going

[@maritoguionyo]

Losted

[@KevinxDoll]

xbox 360 microphone

[@ruben1752]

video copiado por la pocion roja en 3,2,1.

[@skeedabapndadm2789]

OOOO

[@LatteWiiU]

raer gaming dup,

[@gentronicus]

so true

[@huhneat8908]

yeah

[@LimeAtions]

Nvidia makes overpriced computer hardware.

[@Zxanonblade]

Now yeah, but maybe not as much back then (don't know, wasn't into computer tech back then)

[@amdintelxsniperx]

the idea of nvidia being a hard company to work with is funny because nintendont is really awful LOL