The Lost POV of House Tyrell

[@LordofBroccoli]

Come on, George... we're so desperate for new content we're going on archaeological expeditions to find lost POVs!

[@RickRoyhd]

Good one!

[@C3metalthingies]

It would be awesome if he would release edited out POV's in one big book as a filler for now

[@spearshake4771]

Were so desperate our fan theories are getting wilder and wilder. It's getting so ridiculous that most of the characters parents may not be their real parents according to these wild theories

[@jamomma7296]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@blueblack3591]

😂😂😂😂

[@flogiston2ify]

"Can you imagine how would Sweetrobin POV looks like?" Preston would love it

[@Jooooger]

Sweetrobin knows too much about the Children of the Forest's conspiracy to try to possess his body through his weirwood throne which is causing his seizures. GRAB THE TIN FOIL, THE CHILDREN ARE IN MY HEAD!

[@alanpennie8013]

@@Jooooger You get a Children pov thrown in. Two for the price of one

[@theanimationlads7598]

flogiston2ify I read this comment for the first time literally as he said that.

[@BarryKennedy]

Another settlement needs your help

[@lonemotheo1964]

He really would

[@RopubaBillar27]

Imagine being the fan who started AGoT in 1996... So strong

[@shawn6669]

I think I picked up my first copy of AGoT a couple of months after it came out. FWIW.

[@irasac1]

@@shawn6669 wow. How has it been?

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

....mocking us now, little babe? ..nah, i resent myself to get trapped like this.

[@tmfchickadee7785]

Imagine dying before you see the ending.

[@alphagamer9505]

@@shawn6669 damm,I pick mine after s7,in the end of 2019

[@ABLEARC]

For a dude with two videos this quality and content is solid. Nice to see some meta talk about the books instead of the tin foil conspiracies most channels do. Which I still love but this is great.

[@AdmiralKird]

I appreciate the kind comments. As it goes on there is tinfoil but its more tinfoil speculation about stuff that doesn't happen or what might have happened in earlier drafts of ADWD. It takes awhile to get there though since I would rather make sure people know the facts for what they are and then scratch their head and consider possibilities, but not latch onto these things as proven paradigms.

[@williamkrause5831]

Hey hey hey, Preston might be a bit too tinfoily, but his videos are so insightful and entertaining.

[@CodyTaylor115]

@@AdmiralKird I'm loving the in depth analysis of meta aspects of the books it's refreshing and I'm learning a lot about the process that was and is a song of ice and fire. I am a fresh reader only been around for 3 or so years so it's really cool to get some insights and experiences of those who had too wait sense book one

[@michaelhenry3234]

@@AdmiralKird You only have 2 videos? Shit. I hope you continue! These are really high quality.

[@AdmiralKird]

@@michaelhenry3234 Thanks Michael! I will be doing more, I've got a whole list of ideas that have built up over the years. I've never thought people would watch anything I did so I never made my own channel until events lead here and you guys are what inspire me to do more.

[@jon-umber]

The Tyrells in general are the most interesting house that nobody seems to talk about. I find both Willas and Garlan to be fascinating characters (and potential foils for one another) and would love for them to have far more time on-screen. Even Mace is interesting in his own way, as a haughty buffoon.

[@prostufamiliei]

man i wish this dude wouldve continued to do asoiaf content, watched it 4 years and and again today, still enjoyable af

[@bradleynugent9123]

guess what?

[@AsharaAlras]

Guess who's back.

[@PintoRagazzo]

​@@AsharaAlras Back again, guess who's back?

[@coryholibaugh8124]

Margery Tyrell and the Blackfish should have gotten POVs. Blackfish during the war with Rob Stark and during the seige of Riverrun. Plus imagine him getting POV when he finds out about the Red Wedding. Margery during a Feast for Crows. Plenty of Jamie and Cersei in King's Landing chapters. Would have been cool to get a different perspective.

[@Carlos-ln8fd]

Yes 100 %

[@garlantyrell6368]

Maybe they will get POVs in the Winds of Winter, whenever that book comes out.

[@skurinski]

@@garlantyrell6368 George said no new POVs

[@RobertP.Trebor]

​@@skurinski😢 no Hodor POV?

[@MrMustache-yn4zm]

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[@shendogg1]

You have the most hilarious GRRM impression

[@AdmiralKird]

It's so terrible it works!

[@andrewvanhorne4359]

It's like halfway to being a Stan Lee impression.

[@leftofyou]

"One day, I'll make them all fly." -Lord Robin Arryn

[@doconnell565]

Robert Arryn. Robert.

[@indranigomes9874]

@@doconnell565 not a big deal mate

[@indranigomes9874]

Doctor Of The Fifth Proletariat the show and books had different names so people call them different names. You calling me Indrayner is just randomly changing a name like Tyrosh Lannister.

[@peterjoyfilms]

@@onetwo57627 I suppose they thought it was one too many Roberts for viewers. Robert would make more sense though, he's clearly named after Robert Baratheon.

[@SINotFound]

This is the most underrated channel I've ever seen, holy cow. These videos are amazing!

[@AdmiralKird]

Thanks! There will be more, I'm glad you enjoyed them.

[@niccolorichter1488]

@@AdmiralKird ????

[@TAAF619]

@@AdmiralKird????????????

[@NewDrovack]

I check this page every month for an update

[@geoffwilliams6072]

@@AdmiralKird ...?

[@con2858]

imagine waiting for all these books from the jump in 96 lmfao

[@sergiovela7686]

I wasn't Even born in 96 😂😂😂

[@jebushwplainview9453]

I started reading it in 02.. So I've been waiting a minute for winter.

[@Lukas-vg1vi]

I read them in the lockdown and now I want to read and every day I think: Please George Martin, write it to end. It don't know how I would still life when I read the first book when it come out.

[@jamesaudreypurdie8318]

Alayne is the POV character for house Arryn.

[@vanessaamesty6739]

true, but A Maestre POV in the Vale that old Maestre would be Cressen-like. Tho, George did that already

[@monsouranda2822]

More like house Baelish

[@Zeupater]

I agree... or at least as close as we’re likely to get for Arryn. Maybe it was a way to save space. She seems like a proxy for Petyr, Robin and Myranda POV chapters.

[@muchanadziko6378]

well...but she's not an Arryn

[@aricente]

Ill sell my soul to the great OTHER to read an Ollena POV

[@Thaistickthai]

I would listen to an audiobook read by Roy Dotrice of it, and not complain everytime he did her/other character's voices...

[@nutyyyy]

There's so many POVs that would be really interesting but the problem is sometimes those characters know too much or potentially lose their mystique when you know what they are thinking. At other times it can be an interesting twist when they are very different people from what you see from another POV.

[@pyropulseIXXI]

I AM the Great Other

[@muchanadziko6378]

I'd sell my soul to Olenna for a Great Other POV

[@jebuschrist5618]

they have to use your cover for a time for wolves in a dream of spring

[@cityfolkferal]

I laughed for a solid two minutes at this cover that I had to rewind the video to see what I missed haha

[@rhaenyrareigns2200]

I thought that it was disgusting...

[@user-gc9dk7cc1y]

@@rhaenyrareigns2200 Think that was the point.

[@ktk44man]

Humorless like the real rhaenyra​@@rhaenyrareigns2200

[@chocodoco4855]

"Maybe he was a slow Loris" I spilled my yoghurt.

[@vanessaamesty6739]

On blood Oranges, I didn't realise they were a symbolism for house Martell, so I google to know more about them: -The blood orange is a natural mutation of the orange, which is itself a hybrid (Interesting, Martell are Rhoynar and Valyrian in part, also a little bit of Andal if I'm not mistaken) -They have a distinctive dark flesh color - He flesh develops its characteristic maroon color when the fruit develops with low temperatures during the night... mmm this gives me long night vibes, but I think it doesn't meant anything. - The skin can be tougher and harder to peel than that of other oranges. Martell are un-conquered - Blood oranges have a unique flavor compared to other oranges. Martell have definitely a diffrent style, so yes I like it.

[@AdmiralKird]

As pointed out to me by /u/glass_table_girl, the blood oranges also get brought up in Sansa chapters as well, but there they are used for more other purposes. They talk about it on their latest episode of GirlsGoneCanon: girlsgonecanon.podbean.com/e/girls-gone-canon-asos-sansa-stark-vivii/ So they're definitely in the story before but the question to me makes me wonder if yeah, GRRM decided here would be another great place to use them. And perhaps the stuff you brought up Vanessa will also influence his writing of Dorne with the motifs the oranges themselves show us.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

technically its nimeros-martel (forgive my spelling) martel being andal and the nimeros comes from the Rhoynar blood

[@srnigromante9214]

Martel have no Valyrian heritage, thei are Rhoynar and Andal.

[@joeycash9739]

I think that would refer to their Rhoynar ancestry than their Targaryen ancestry

[@joeycash9739]

@@srnigromante9214 Granted they did marry into house Targaryen numerous times. Then again so did other houses..

[@markcahill9255]

And people wonder why it takes George so long to write a book

[@SaintHierophant]

I like to think that Turnip, like Arya, is a girl pretending to be a boy in a feudal society, in a plotline we will never know about and is unrelated to anything we've heard about. The appendix is the only hint at it.

[@acetown2263]

This is so obscure, and I'm kinda confused, but also so in depth, I really like this.

[@enkiimuto1041]

the time for wolves cover cracks me up

[@Dadecorban]

Your speech pattern and intonation reminds me of Mr. Plinkett at times. I typed that and THEN I saw the actual Plinkett impersonation.

[@gandalfgrey91]

Titus Veridius Same thing happened to me. I was going to ask if he was a Mr. Plinkett fan haha

[@Commanber]

WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR FACE?!

[@OneDodgyDude]

I just finished rewatching your 1st vid, just to tide me over while I waited for the next. Man, I can't wait to dig into this one. Keep 'em coming.

[@E_T_31]

This is the third time I watched this (coming back every year or so) & man it's always a fun ride. Your commentary catches me off guard every time - especially the German reading in the beginning!

[@MarcusBlackfyre1]

I don't even know if you check your comments anymore but I love your voices for comments especially GRRM and the german guy lol so bad theyre great

[@Haedox]

Loved this.

[@imsooturtlesavage6730]

A second upload. I have been waiting for this moment for many weeks. *ticks away another day with chalk*

[@hi_austin]

I detect hints of Mr. Plinkett. Nice. Edit: I left this comment after about the first five minutes. Then 22:10 happened. Love it!

[@supermonkey321]

Yeah, this dude is pretty obviously mimicking the Mr. Plinkett style. Not complaining, since it works for me, but no one could argue this isn't clearly inspired by Mr. Plinkett videos.

[@alastair6320]

@@supermonkey321 It's good because he shows clearly that he's influenced by him. Other channels rip off his style without crediting him

[@Jooooger]

"I got chu!"

[@JoPo4815162342]

I noticed the hints as well, I feel like that tone doesn't really work while explaining these videos.

[@StarFox_SNES]

They’re so dense. Every single book has so many things going on.

[@natatavaresbocampagni9539]

BITCH THE ACCENTS AND MARTIN'S VOICE IMPERSONATIONS ARE PERFECT HAHAHAHA

[@matheoustargaryen]

WHO ARE YOU?!?!? I so enjoyed this video i cannot related it in words if I tried. It is absolutely brilliantly awesome to hear a fan of GRRM's work on the series to make poke fun or what have you or not take your fandom so seriously. I love George R. R. Martin. And I know you do too but its refreshing to hear some one be so comical about their Great Love. Thank you most sincerely.

[@golgarisoul]

I love this! Thank you algorithm for leading me here!

[@paletteswapsquirrels]

The subject is treated with honest enthusiasm, but I'm subscribing for the sense of humour and the insightful conclusion.

[@MM-xm5vx]

Sansa as Alayna is kind of the vale/Arryn pov

[@DarkerCompanion]

I was enjoying this video until "Maybe he was a Slow Loras." And then this video became amazing.

[@KingMckay]

When you get 35 minutes in and you thought it's only been 2 minutes :D

[@devjadav2902]

This is probably my favorite of your videos

[@thomasfriesejr.9198]

Omg... the "A Time for Wolves" cover. DEAD! I'm just mad it took me so long to find your channel.

[@AdmiralKird]

Aw thanks, It's a fairly recent channel, there's a lot of ASOIAF/GOT stuff out there from creators who have earned more exposure.

[@thomasfriesejr.9198]

@@AdmiralKird You're earning it too! Excited to hear more of your analysis.

[@gabrielionuttafalogu6214]

Greatest new GoT yt channel

[@oneeyedcrow]

the accents were hilarious

[@solaris025]

You are amazing. I laughed and laughed and laughed some more. Your German accent is fabulous.

[@skizzik121]

GO BILLIKENS!!! Also your videos, all 2 of them, are phenomenal.

[@AdmiralKird]

lol thanks, well we just lost in the ncaa but the 3rd video is moving along, hopefully within two weeks. It's been a sojourn.

[@anentiresleeveoforeos2087]

I saw George at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

[@bobodenkirk9086]

The fuck

[@goldblue7037]

This comment is so funny i hope that was not true tho

[@RTU130]

Ye

[@WisteriaNerium]

@@goldblue7037 it's a really old copypasta

[@psevdhome]

What an insanely brilliant video! Thank you very much. Even though it is speculation, you bring out some good arguments and interesting viewpoints. Willas sitting in the garden with roses is definately a chapter I would want to read. I just finished "A Storm of Swords" and this video made me thin about how many things are left ambiguous in a way that would have made a five year skip really interesting. A Feast for Crows continues hours or minutes after where Storm of Swords ends, but that doesn't mean it was originally planned that way.

[@MidnightSun009]

Would be interesting to see a video on why the five gap failed. Although it might only be known to George.

[@AdmiralKird]

In the number of interviews I looked at, the predominant theme was it was really difficult for him to write the actual chapters as chapters in an engaging novel, containing the information of the past five years. It wasn't so much he was very lost as to where to take the story, but he kept having to explain what had happened during the 5YG within the chapters while new, current events were taking place. Characters were often standing around or sitting talking in depth of what happened in the last five years and this was cannibalizing the quality of these chapters and story. Ultimately he concluded he would be better of telling the story of the 5YG during AFFC as its own thing, and allowing the post-5YG chapters to breathe. Of course though, then AFFC grew too big and stuff started to get moved around and it became a whole new thing.

[@MidnightSun009]

@@AdmiralKird probably would have been easier to start off after the gap. Must be so difficult to juggle things now as they are not happening at the exact time they should have been. Maybe a world book to bridge the gap would have been in order, but to have a world book as part of an ongoing fantasy series...that is crazy.

[@AdmiralKird]

@@MidnightSun009 The idea of a worldbook rather than a regular book is interesting and I've personally never heard that before. It's possible GRRM might have considered that but I think he'd also want to not publish it until right before the next regular book was finished and ready, so he could go back and change things to better fit the actual dramatic story which... There's just so much stuff he could do with that if he did, it might take him maybe even longer to complete.

[@wykart932]

Hope you keep these videos up, they're super in depth and well researched, but you're also such a funny guy and great presenter.

[@AdmiralKird]

Thanks Olivia, I appreciate it. I'm working on the next one but it'll still be a few weeks.

[@vvHun43rd]

I wish I could time travel to 2000 and tell George to just make a dance with dragons one huge book screw a five year gap screw affc and then just start working on winds and leave the name of the 6th book a time for wolves that sounds so fucking cool

[@nickynickyyy]

I found you, burned through all the episodes of MM that you're in and then your videos, and then it was over. Come back. I need your takes and dry humor in my life so I can reply with my own sarcasm and look insane talking to myself

[@emilyg2451]

What is MM? I would love more Kird in my life!

[@zephyr-o-saurus]

I just found this video, and wow, I'm so impressed with the whole thing - your research, the voices you adopt, your perspective, everything! phenomenal work. great job!

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

Though I thoroughly enjoyed this video, I am absolutely befuddled as to how you forgot to mention Leo Tyrell who is in OldTown and literally has dialogue in the Prologue of AFFC...

[@AdmiralKird]

I did remember Leo, but omitted including him. The Tyrells compared to a lot of the others have a very big House if you look at their extended family tree, which Leo is a part of. So I figured I needed to cut it off somewhere or I'd be listing all the Tyrells out the wazoo, and Leo is also a maester in training so he's not supposed to be serving a specific House. You could say the same thing about Jon being included with the Starks but his story is fairly complicated, doesn't begin being a member of the Nights Watch and also finishes in ADWD with him getting involved with the realms of men. I could have talked about how Leo could have fit down in Oldtown, but because GRRM didn't mention him as being a candidate to write the Prologue from in AFFC like he did with Mollander and Rosey, I figured he wouldn't be under consideration for GRRM since Leo would have been the Tyrell POV to pick for that story line. There was a lot to cover in 46 minutes and with the video growing twice as long as I had hoped I needed to try and "cut the fat" as GRRM calls it. Some things get really complicated to talk about the ins and outs of things and if I sat on most of the above text blocks in this response, it would have dragged the video down for several minutes.

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

Thanks for the clarification. @@AdmiralKird

[@AdmiralKird]

@@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive oh thank you for the comment, some of this stuff, when it comes up during the process, it's like... I want to talk about them, but I have to cut them, so therefore I don't have an outlet to talk about them! I have to put my faith in there being astute viewers who notice these things and want to discuss it.

[@doxasophosmoros]

The tyrells were the best, without them the story is dull and boring. from a lineage of upstarts they worked hard, grew strong and were then killed instantly, unceremoniously. I loved the family and the history, but it was Nonsensically erased , a waste of time, and since then I realised Grrm is a hack with no plan or design , writing by the seat of his pants, hooking idiots with shock value wearing thin by now, without the cunning Tyrells we are left with same old tired shit, Starks, Lannisters.... All the rest should have been cut out, non of it mean anything. Even little finger, none of it matters when youre main character has supernatural powers like Bran does 😑 it's totally rigged... Not "wheell breaking" or democratic at all! It's all a farce . With no.changes. but that's George's ending. He isn't very good. Over hyped. AND KNOW THAT HBO MADE HIM FAMOUS, NOT VICE VERSA

[@Erica-ye7kp]

@@doxasophosmoros you're aware grrm didn't kill the tyrells and they're still very alive in the books right? He had nothing to do with the show by then. That was a show thing. Grrm doesn't do fanservice.

[@fakearya9158]

Just two brothers! 😂😂 Yes I caught that reference, and you just got yourself a subscriber.

[@lordmelvin9310]

Your videos are absolutely fantastic! It's really astounding that you have so much charisma with only two videos under your belt. Take your time with the next one! :)

[@eclipsedbadger]

I didn't know you, but now? Now I'm in love thanks for this! lol we need house Arryn and Tyrell, you are right! it is depressing to notice this, as someone that loved the books. and house Arryn has bannermen and also Tyrell has bannermen...sure SURELY one of them could be an interesting POV or something :( just sad

[@lordinvictus793]

I did find your speculation that GOT season 5 and six to be possibly based off five year gap material interesting. Tommen is a young teenager(the actor is seventeen but he acts more 14-15) and Marge is in her twenties. The battle over his affection, and the marriage being consummated(something that isn't possible in the books given how young Tommen is) and Marge and Cersei's back and forth. Perhaps the role of the HS in the show was also taken from this material, if it existed.

[@AdmiralKird]

Yeah I really didn't realize it was like that til I was thinking about what Margy would have been like, then I recorded the first part, then realized this is a lot like the show... huh. Might be a connection, might not. Not sure about the High Sparrow, that dynamic I've seen described as being fundamentally different to the books. In the show its more about a pure, righteous, holy guy taking the lead of a radical uprising, whereas the books its more of a radical guy with no nonsense taking control of a fundamental populist movement. Some of this might happen to do with Jonathan Pryce's interpretation of the character as well. There's probably also more stuff to come with the Faith in the next book, as a lot of it seems to be born out of the earlier, violent pre-Luther portions of the reformation. Tommen's suicide might also be a twist on a future event of the reformation in... I think it's the Second Defenestration of Prague: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague (defenestration means "out the window" where they stormed the palace and literally threw everyone out) This could be Tommen's future book fate but they abbreviated it, what with tommen also being younger in the books it couldn't realistically be a suicide.

[@lordinvictus793]

@@AdmiralKird Hmm I always felt Tommen's death paralleled Bran's fall in a lot of ways. That is one aspect where I prefer the show, in the books Tommen doesn't do anything except eat and say he wants to ban beets, in the show he's a good intentioned but naïve teenager being led in multiple directions while having major problems of self confidence. I was rooting for Tommen in the show, while you can't become as invested in the character in the books. Chapman does a great job of portraying him as barely holding himself together a boy king who never had a chance but is such a sweetie.

[@donwallacedcruz]

Imagine if this dude made theory videos!

[@Blackhawk211]

@Blake Hunt alt shift x you uncultured swine

[@bdot11]

Blake Hunt whycreate

[@TheHellyeahmen]

With such charisma it's kind of a shame you don't make more videos

[@yagozoon8979]

Loved this video, hope you make some more one day

[@stevonico]

I love that your George impression sounds like Nixon from Futurama

[@chaosbringer82]

29:41 I, for one, support Turnip in her transition

[@OneOnOne1162]

This is the third time I've watched this video and the dude is a totally deranged and it's fucking fantastic and I love it. Plus, still a pretty unique and interesting analysis. I can't wait for more videos!

[@AdmiralKird]

Well, if you think that was deranged... you're gonna have to re-evaluate the scale for the third...

[@OneOnOne1162]

AdmiralKird Oh boy, I'm looking forward to getting out my butterfly net then.

[@robrick9361]

That Mr Plinkett was perfect.

[@markdaniel5784]

I see the argument repeated many places about how some characters know too much to be POV's. How exactly - because Ned was a POV throughout the first book and he knows a whole lot. The notion that the George RR Martin couldn't write a POV for a character without revealing too much never made sense to me but it seems to be commonly accepted among GoT reviewers.

[@AdmiralKird]

You make a good case. He does tend to write around this a lot but it can be tricky. GRRM in particular uses the trauma in Ned to almost hide his own feelings from himself, like he doesn't want to think about anything other than his sister. It's effective. Tyrion and the chain is another example where Tyrion is having all the blacksmiths forge these giant links, but the decisions he makes about where and how to use it are preserved for when the plan goes into motion. I guess you could write around the offer to bring the Tyrells into the fold in book two, I'm not sure that would entirely work that well though because he'd be writing around two back to back mysteries simultaneously by having both characters hiding their true intentions. It might work though, but it also might be a bit risky from a writing perspective to double down on that. Olenna in book three... I think after she has the information from Sansa planted in her head with Butterbumps dancing on the table (I love how GRRM writes this chapter in the books inter-cutting with the song), she'd almost have to be thinking "I needs deal with Joffrey. Margaery must be Queen but he will not do for a husband." I'm not sure GRRM could write her any other way, as that is such a key aspect to her character. She's very quick in words, wit, judgement, and decisive. So hiding a mystery from her perspective would be much more difficult than the traumatized Ned. I'm not sure Olenna would ever be a good POV for GRRM's usual writing because he likes characters who can sit and ponder and think on something and muse it. Olenna really isn't like that so while she might be a POV very different and unique to read, I'm not sure that's something GRRM would personally want to do? But thinking about it I kinda wish that her chapters existed, but because of them being faithful to her character she would be more at risk of giving things away before their time.

[@alanpennie8013]

@@AdmiralKird I don't really admire the tricksy games GRRM plays with Ned's pov. One thing in particular has always annoyed me, his omission to give us any detail of Ned's interview with Gared the ranger, mentioned only in a throwaway remark in Catelyn's first chapter.

[@CharlesFreck]

@@alanpennie8013 What do you mean? We're told that Gared is so struck with terror that Ned's words don't reach him. There's no details of the interview to give. It's not even established that they even know who he is, they just assume he's a black brother because of the clothes he's wearing.

[@alanpennie8013]

@@CharlesFreck No details indeed. The question I want answering is did Gared actually see The White Walkers or not? But the narrative is careful not to tell us.

[@vanessaamesty6739]

I think the Tyrells in general know to much, having a POV of them would be spoiling everything: 1- In the first book one Loras and Renly were scheming to crown Margaery by marrying her to Robert. Wish meant at least Margaery and Loras were plotting from before the beginning of the books. Perhaps they were thinking of Joffrey/Margaery from the beginning but he got betrothed with Sansa, so they swish to Robert. 2- Then Loras and Renly where Central in COK, they couldn't have Loras as POV because the relationship with Renly would be more obvious. And the swish of sides at the ends would be Reveal. 3- Olenna couldn't never being a POV, her involvement on Joffrey's death would be reveal; we also meet Garlan, he would make sense as a POV and yet I think he not being a POV is very telling, because I think Garlan was more involved in Joffrey's death than we often think, I think he knew about it, and actively participate and manipulated Tyrion at the same time (or if not manipulating him at least was involved in the Killing) 4- Mace is too central to the negotiations with Baelish to swish sides to be a POV. 5- Willas is a wild card that could be as manipulative as Doran and Olenna. 6- Alerie Hightower has a chance to reveal a bigger Hightower/Tyrell plot to get control of the crown that goes back to Oldtown. (I think every Hightower is suspicious) The tyrell could basically be the new crown scheming Hightower thru Alerie In the end, I think and non-direct member of the House Tyrell like a servant, A young Maestre, a handmaiden, a lady in waiting, the Blue bard or even the a fool would make sense, George miss out on using a perverted or sarcastic fool that is planning to write a tell all book to shadow the Tyrells.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

lol loras and renly aren't even hinted at in the book, its clearly something made up for in the series, renly FYI makes his intention to marry margaery in the first book very clear to Ned stark. even if we assume the whole renly & loras thing is in the books (and we simply never got any evidence for it) its clear the tyrels and renly were plotting something for a long time (or possibly that renly isn't gay in the books and he simply liked the look of margery)

[@madamehoefyre1808]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 I'd argue that Renly's love affair with Loras was definitely apart of his character in the books, there'd just be no just reason for it to actually be seen unless Loras, Renly, or Margery had a pov. It wouldn't make sense for someone like Ned to have such knowledge or to witness such. Him being gay doesn't seem like a creative choice by the show and if it was, I'm sure George R.R. Martin would definitely have had a say in that matter or even put it forward.

[@syferpolski4344]

By the time Margery was in Kings Landing and preparing to marry Tommen, she'd probably not have too many plots to spoil

[@alanpennie8013]

@@madamehoefyre1808 Yep. Undoubtedly part of the books. It's just that Loras as a very minor character in the books.

[@edisonmichael6345]

@@madamehoefyre1808 Jaime to Loras: "(If you keep annoyng me) I'm gonna shove this sword in a place so deep that not even Renly has reached before". To which Loras... BLUSHES. I'm not sure how much blunter do you want a medieval society to get about that sort of thing...

[@victorthomas5041]

I know you post on reddit but put out some more videos man, you're exceptionally talented.

[@f4ubricks]

This feels like Mr Plinkett analysing the writing process of ASOIAF, and I love it!

[@shawn6669]

Didn't Maester Aemon mention a "tavern on an island in the Mander that serves crazy strong cider" (I paraphrase...it's been awhile since I read them) before the Pate chapter? Speaking of lead ins to Oldtown. FWIW.

[@made-line7627]

Oooh, nice catch 🪝

[@G_Kchrst]

Great video, as you promised. :p I still hope that we will a get a Tyrell POV somehow in the future, they are my favorite House.

[@jamomma7296]

I love feast and dance. Underrated.

[@Oops-All-Ghosts]

1:30 It amazes me when people talk about Catelyn as representative of the Starks. She doesn't even think of _herself_ that way; she constantly thinks about her family in terms of "these northerners," and describes their qualities as "Stark qualities." She is very much an outsider, both in her own mind and, to a lesser extent, in the minds of the other northerners.

[@Oops-All-Ghosts]

Although, erm, Robert and Ned do 100% talk about Daeny within the first few chapters of the first book.

[@Real_Sp00ks]

It's a shame you haven't made more videos, the few you made were all really great. Hoping you come back one day!

[@bryantaylor9874]

I always assumed the Water Gardens are loosely based on the Hanging Garden of Babylon. Arguably the least known of the 7 ancient Wonders of the World (WoW... Totally unintentional yet brilliant play on words lol).

[@artofthepossible7329]

That was what I thought they was based of. It certainly fits.

[@veselinkostadinov712]

I think the water gardens are based on the Arab/Moor palaces such as the Alhambra in Granada. Elaborate gardens with water channels were basically the center pieces of these palaces so if you base a kingdom upon the Moors this is a very natural direction to follow.

[@doxasophosmoros]

Why? Cause they both have the word GARDEN in them? You fucking noob

[@doxasophosmoros]

The hanging gardens were in the middle east... The water gardens of Spain , I mean "Dorne"🤨 are entirely different, not an actual city , but part of a castle.. Fuck you people are dumb .and GRRM germ is VERY DERIVATIVE, HIS ENTIRR WORK IS DERIVATIVE.

[@peterjoyfilms]

@@doxasophosmoros Dorne has some Spanish influences but it also has Middle Eastern influences.

[@drachna]

I really enjoy your Mr Plinkett impression. The voices in this are great, as is getting to see your thought process.

[@reid.7680]

I fell in love with your german accent what a lovely boy 8:01

[@AdmiralKird]

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[@erikb6869]

This is great, these kind of videos are what keeps me sane while waiting for winds of winter. Instant subscribe. Hats off to you, keep it coming.

[@AdmiralKird]

Thanks Erik, don't worry, there will be more!

[@ternura727]

Amazing video. Waiting for new ones!!! I love your voices.

[@ryanboggs8685]

Hey.. just discovered your channel. I just want to share my personal opinion that the prologue of A Clash of Kings is the best part of the series. It's a great introduction to Stannis, who was mentioned as important but not seen directly in the previous book, but also through the perspective of Stannis's father figure. The prolauge to A Game of Thrones is also macabre, but the imagery of the this prolauge is more macabre on an emotional level. You get to see the beginning of Stannis's moral fall through the perspective of his father figure. Sharine is physically scarred, whose only companion is a mentally handicapped jester. I think one line is "a tale to make men weep" I think it does a perfect job of setting the tone of not only the second installment but the series as a whole

[@MissLyrata]

Interesting video, and well done. I would just add that the books aren't finished yet, and it would not surprise me if a Tyrell POV showed up in TWOW or even ADOS. My bet would be either Willas or Garlan. There has been a lot of hints about Willas's character, which seems to me like a foreshadowing of actually meeting him in person. I suppose that could happen through Sam's POV, but I still think we will get a Tyrell POV at some point.

[@Otherspersons]

Oh man, I love your Ice and Fire videos, even though you've only done two. Please, do more!!

[@CDWLowe]

Your videos have been incredible so far- thank you. Looking forward to more content!

[@AdmiralKird]

Thanks cameron, I'll do my best!

[@casejordan4383]

Please bump this if you upload a new video and I miss it, hope you have been good these past two crazy covid years

[@Jp-so7nl]

Great content, very excited to see where you take the channel

[@ultimacaster]

I don’t think we’re acknowledging enough the cover for a time for wolves

[@javontaypeoples9603]

These videos are the best thing on KZbin right now

[@ramiromen6595]

Yeah it makes sense that that period was so tumultuous. I mean the Tyrells are absurdly op (tbh the entire Reach is op, it's basically medieval France without any of its political impediments). It makes sense to keep the area as obscure as possible.

[@Kunumbah1]

Also makes sense why the Ironborn would skip over the entire Westerlands and jump straight to the Reach. It’s to make the region weaker geopolitically when the Dornish come or whatever.

[@kevinmoore4237]

This is great - love the GRRM impressions

[@MovieHypeSA]

This cracked me up 😂😂 did not expect that... great vid 👍

[@mutskun]

Dude, love seeing you still alive in these comments. I've watched these bangers so many times already, I've lost count. love your stuff!

[@JDesch]

All the best characters are Tyrells

[@DanielALeary]

Really terrific. Something new and interesting in scope and imagination. Well done and congrats.

[@lathanandrews417]

Thank you thank you thank you!!! I’ve ALWAYS wondered why there isn’t a Tyrell POV!!! Margaery would be great! Especially if she’s anything like her tv counterpart!

[@joshg7320]

Thanks for the subtle star wars references

[@Vmac1394]

An intended time gap after book 3 sounds like GRRM was trying to do what Frank Herbert did with Dune after book 3. Except Frank Herbert made the time gap 4000 years and was moving on from pretty much every character in the first three books, it was a soft reset. GRRM's idea was far more complex to execute and it didn't work .

[@DrBlueCow]

Great video! glad to get asoiaf content of things that I haven't already seen being discussed like a hundred times before.

[@AdmiralKird]

Thanks BlueCow, I'll keep trying to talk about stuff with asoiaf that I personally like that others don't speak about as much, and hopefully peeps like you will find it interesting. Some topics will overlap but I hope with whatever it is I keep it fresh.

[@chair5613]

I don't know why I keep watching these videos. I haven't read the books yet.

[@oleksandrtovkailo4961]

Dude, I did hit the bell-button after your first video, but I don't trust KZbin, so I visited your channel every 3 or 5 days just to check it. Hope this one is as good as the first!

[@AdmiralKird]

I live to disappoint

[@MrPokemon248]

A feast for crows and a dance with dragons are both incredible well written books. They expand on a lot of back story, history and lore that enriches the first three volumes. And will no doubt enrich the end game of the last two volumes.

[@PurpleNoir]

It’d be cool to see a book solely comprised of lost POVS, abandoned plot lines, first drafts etc etc

[@Zeupater]

A Marillion prologue (and maybe his swan song) could be an interesting information dump. Hey, that’s a lot of subscribers for just two videos! Good on you.

[@AdmiralKird]

Thanks Zeupater, yeah Marillion would be interesting if he's still alive of course, but we know the TWOW Prologue will have Jeyne Westerling in it somewhere so unless things are really crazy Marillion would be too far away.

[@Zeupater]

@AdmiralKird True. True. "Winds of Winter" is probably too late for poor Marillion. It would depend on how George handles the timeline. I'm imagining a flashback covering events up to and at the Crossroads then in the Vale. Jayne probably throws a wrench into my little fantasy.

[@debodatta7398]

Phenomenal video just like your last one... you're really revving up to be one of the best new asoiaf youtubers

[@AdmiralKird]

Thanks Debo, there will be more once show season is over.

[@annaclarallb]

HAVE YOU WATCHED QUENTIN TARANTINO FILMS?!?! IT LOOKS LIKE THIS!!!

[@captainnolan5062]

The key to the quote @ 44:13 is the word "exactly". George says, "If I know exactly where a book is going, I lose all interest in writing it." He has a general idea where it is going, and he will meander his way to the end (provided he lives long enough to get there). George clearly loves starting projects (look at all the new projects he has going on now). Finally, in a quote early on in this video, George says that he likes "having written" - however, he does not love the process of writing itself. I imagine this becomes even more the case as the story grows in complexity as he adds each new volume to the series.

[@nathanroe7460]

Sick videos man, too bad there's only two

[@kswindl]

Holy shit, this is great. Can't wait for you to make more videos when the new book comes out.

[@AdmiralKird]

There's a lot more to talk about before then, just need to find the time.