THE MAGNUS ARCHIVES #62 - First Edition

MAG062 - Case #0080307 - Mary Keay
Statement regarding their first encounter with a book that would end up in the library of Jurgen Leitner.
The Magnus Archives tells the tale of a larger-than-life character who wants to leave something to posterity ahead of the turbulent times to come.
Starring: Gertrude Robinson - Sue Sims; Mary Keay - Carrie Cohen; The Archivist - Jonathan Sims
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[@lilaboxx]

Mary is like: i can excuse ritualistic murder but i draw the line at profiting from it

[@Sponsie1000]

l felt like she was more disappointed by just wanting to profit from it in a monetary way... like, if the woman was profiting from it by being able to blackmail important people or by getting more power Mary would be fine by it, but just doing it for some bits of cash is so dull-witted to her,, thats why she said the woman didnt 'deserve' the book

[@Emidretrauqe]

It shows a lack of appreciation. Even if you think it's horrifying and disgusting, you'd still think too much of the power to just use it to make money. You really would need some kind of apathy to place money above that power.

[@purplecloudzz7279]

ah yes a true anti-capitalist!!

[@silverquill101]

Gertrude: You can excuse ritualistic murder?!?

[@purplecloudzz7279]

@@silverquill101 omg community reference???

[@muffinn1337]

- "Tea?" - "god no, I hate that stuff." In a British show, she just has to be a Villain, there's no way around it.

[@aprilbrown53]

She offered tea to the fellow who came to sell her Ex Altiaora in episode 4, Page Turner, and drank some herself. Wierd.

[@dawn4383]

@@aprilbrown53 It was awful though wasn't it?

[@strawberrys0da714]

@@aprilbrown53 *****Spoilers**** For a second I read this as "came to sell her Ex," and knowing how this podcast goes I think that's very funny.

[@_Uptilt]

EDIT: I made a factually incorrect statement, thanks @maxcavadel9350 for the correction. Deleted!

[@lathyrusloon]

Considering what the British did as a whole in pursuit of Tea, I'm rather keen to think the opposite hahaha.

[@IFalled]

Anyone who says Gertrude and Mary liked eachother have evidently never had a grandparent who despised someone.

[@lilaboxx]

The vibe I'm getting from them is kind of like they used to be friends or have been through things together and have some sort of "friendship" with a lot of rivalry and arguments

[@rawtoast_playz1234]

@@lilaboxx i think it’s like they used to be friends but then they went through something traumatic and never really talked again and kinda hated seeing eachother cause it reminded them of it

[@albuseisenhorn3385]

@@rawtoast_playz1234 friends or colleagues maybe

[@ghostbuster7156]

I’m convinced they’re secretly married. This is more civil then how my grandparents talk to each other

[@cupcaketv5673]

​@@lilaboxx Me too

[@loading7496]

"I do hate the smell of burning skin" sounds like... you're familiar with it. Anything you wanna share with us, Gertrude?

[@frogonthebikeheh]

Some little dirty secrets...

[@triforceofcourage100]

Somebody had to destroy litner’s collection

[@lathyrusloon]

Tbh, as a cook I've been burnt enough and been around enough burns, (including some pretty bad ones) that the intended spookiness of that line went over my head until I read your comment. Lol.

[@joxterrose3189]

"I rather hate the smell of burning skin. Anyway-" HON YOU CANT JUST DROP THAT

[@aubarlowe]

SPOILERS: considering all the fires and explosions she'd set off, I mean, I can't say I'm really surprised--

[@rydertheashen1722]

Can we all just collectively shudder at the pure manic joy in Jon's voice as he cracks open the floorboard compartment?

[@coconoisette]

It made me happy, was like a kid on christmas morning ahah

[@rebelliousone6182]

So there's a flesh book, a tiny animal bone book, a bone fuckery book, a book that smells of ozone and gives you vertigo (which has been burned), and a book that burns/boils people. Mary has the flesh and tiny animal bone book. Gerard used it on her???? Jared has the bone fuckery book (The Boneturner's Tale). Ex Altiora, the ozone-vertigo book, was burned by Gerard. The burning/boiling book is in the possession of the police force because they got it from Jose after he burned a house. That or Jose got it back or something. Gotcha.

[@beltaya276]

ayy thanks its hard to keep track of all of leitners fucked up books lmao

[@kimmy_future4265]

I think there was a copy of Ex Altiora

[@patti6937]

Love Scary Mary!

[@Catflers]

How could I forget the "Bone Fuckery Book"

[@kingofpoliwhirls7464]

I honestly thought the Tiny Animal Bone book and the Bone Fuckery book were the same thing

[@eyesgalore2971]

i've only had mary keay for 22 minutes but if anything happened to her i would throw a party

[@sheepgrass500]

Omg thissss

[@Companion92]

Wow, Mary is really creepy. I'm happy that Jon found the laptop. Can't wait to see where this leads

[@Kobrag90]

The dear seems perfectly sociable, and a peron of clear strict morals.

[@TheRealEvilkitten3]

spoilers ahoy jon: i can't let elias know elias: **watching the entire thing with a bucket of popcorn** yeah that'd be terrible

[@aubarlowe]

SPOILERS tbh, i wouldn't be surprised if he actually was

[@mimkyodar]

Or cake. The dude loves cake

[@TheRealEvilkitten3]

@@mimkyodar does he? always thought he was more of a clone slurry kinda guy

[@mimkyodar]

@@TheRealEvilkitten3 Season 5 Episode 1. Dude loves himself a cake.

[@TheRealEvilkitten3]

@@mimkyodar oh yeah! i'd completely forgotten about that lol

[@theWeaverofTales]

Is a high sass level a requirement for the position of Archivist?

[@johnpears9558]

Yes it is actually

[@bonniecornelius3836]

yes

[@steveart2394]

Yes. A job requirement that is absolutely 100% without a doubt a necessity. Nothing else. Just sass.

[@emilie8575]

As an archivist myself I can tell you that it is in fact a job requirement for any archivist anywhere

[@PyroTurk]

All sass and stubbornness

[@margo1574]

Oh boi oh yes this was one of my absolute favourites. Specially the "using it to make money!? It sickened me. It still does." Keep up the beautiful job dear team!

[@zealotoftheorchard9853]

I Honestly had the same thoughts as her when she said "she started asking about his will ect ect." I was like YOU COULD BE JESUS 2 ELECTRIC BOOGALOO AND YOURE HERE BEING A RESSURECTION SCAM ARTIST

[@vera-whatsurdiscord]

frankly i was surprised myself that she used it for MONEY.. i mean u have powers like that youd assume youd use it for just as sinister motives

[@mackenziedillon295]

Jonathan and Gertrude think alike, don't they.

[@DrMDHyde]

You have to have a certain mindset to be an archivist.

[@theartistswings9810]

Paranoia makes for a predictable mind

[@vivkaupish7621]

The voice actors of Gertrude and Jon are mother and son.

[@lilaboxx]

@@vivkaupish7621 really? that's kinda adorable

[@vivkaupish7621]

@@lilaboxx and the guy who plays Jurgen Leitner is Jonny Sims' father

[@LunDruid]

"I'd never killed before. I didn't particularly enjoy it." is such a freaking creepy and unsettling statement!

[@b-blythe6763]

I wasn't expecting to love Mary Keay, but here I am. I think her voice is my favorite so far. Also, her saying she prefers to "diversify her portfolio," I feel like it sort of backs up my theory that the Magnus Institute is associated with one specific entity (probably the giant eye one) and Mary decided she'd rather dip her toes into all of them. The creaking floorboards!!! Those have been bothering me in the background of all Gertrude's tapes because I thought they were doors being opened! But early hints at a secret storage area? This podcast is so satisfying gosh dang.

[@tieflingteeth9033]

whoever theorized in the episode when the leitner books were first show that the book was made in human flesh you got it

[@acrylic_kitten]

Didn't everyone?

[@CheziahKatt]

i dont know that this tells us theyre ALL made from flesh, it could be the flesh books are specifically related to necromancy

[@Julian-bq9qv]

first thought - Mary sounds remarkable like Salad fingers... kept waiting for her to say how much she likes rusty spewns....

[@friakula4763]

I HATE THAT I CAN HEAR THAT NOW SKDHFDDKHFJHG

[@sandymcneish7820]

GODAMMIT ME TO

[@danteslayer9455]

Screw you and the horse that brought you, now I can't not unheard it.

[@jessbailie3539]

SCREW YOU I CAN'T UNHEAR IT NOW 😭

[@allie_678]

I could have lived my entire life without having to read that. 🤦🏻😂

[@Nizati]

You know you have some really good voice actors when you can somehow hear the glares they are giving each other. Such delicious sass

[@Tanaka_Kenshin]

Becomes a little bit hard to track all this plot lines... Guess, I'll start to file and organise all this statement's data...

[@Darkrose517]

the-magnus-archives.fandom.com/wiki/Characters/Episode - This keeps track of the characters by episode. There are also links to the individual episodes in the character list. You can also go to the character's pages, but those are more likely to contain spoilers as they deal with the characters as a whole.

[@mom2lane]

A new archivist is born

[@orencohen9635]

@@Darkrose517 wow thanks, so far i'd try narrow my vision and control f my way to avoid spoilers but this page really helps

[@fandomlibrary9506]

"Statement of Mary Keay" So much adrenaline shot through my body at that line.

[@TheJuliana0901]

oh GOD there are so many lines that Mary says that are just so... indicative of her personality. she's... certainly interesting, and oh boy her dynamic with Gertrude. also who's Eric??

[@humanname99]

her husband- possibly ex but I don't know if he was dead at that point

[@jenjaminbenkins6075]

Eric Delano, father of Gerard Keay

[@moonbunnygw8342]

​@@humanname99probably,Gerry said something about him being killed after he was born

[@ComradeLuka]

@@moonbunnygw8342He was killed when Gerry was two I believe

[@nanahuatli2144]

Yes, Mary is just as delightfully creepy as Michael... and wow, lots of biblical names, huh. But holy crap, so much is happening.

[@soyasauce3626]

I think the biblical names thing is just because they’re British

Mary and Michael are super common names in many languages. I don't think it has any deeper meaning in this case.

[@quandolli]

jon: even if [mary and gertrude] didn't like each other me: OH YOU NAIVE FOOL

[@afrogwitch]

I mean, that's the guy being the object of Martin's care and worries and he was like "suspicious..."

[@lhumyaki]

first time listener, and i can already see that these two at least were friends. Your comment makes me doubt they could have been just that now though x)

[@lilaboxx]

@@lhumyaki yeah, it seems like friends but with a lot of disagreements and a certain kind or rivalry

[@sensiblecryptid4406]

Enemies to lovers with Mary and gertrude

[@woodsiebabeyy7565]

@@sensiblecryptid4406 more like lovers to enemies

[@mayormayo1853]

The more I read the comments the more I realized that everyone is shipped with everyone in this podcast lol it’s not unusual or anything it’s just not what I expected from the audience of a horror story

[@TheMegaOne1000]

Rule 34 is a fundamental law of the universe. There are no exceptions.

[@bmann0843]

It's kinda hard not to with some of the things they say to each other and the interesting relationships and tensions between some of them

[@f_mva]

we need to distract ourselves from the endless unspeakable horrors somehow

[@bayleaf2421]

Just you want until you find out how many members of the audience are attracted to the monsters-

[@f_mva]

@@bayleaf2421 spoiler alert: it's most of us :')

[@fluffsnake]

well if Mary was that creepy and seemingly... neutral evil, I suppose Gerard is chaotic good or something XD he definitely seemed to help ppl before in strange situations

[@minuspi8372]

I'd call him neutral good. He did buy Ex Altiora from that one guy instead of stealing it before destroying it.

[@omaimaf9963]

@@minuspi8372 and he saved that woman in italy, the one who was almost lost in the crowd.

[@mrjones2721]

The one thumbs down is Gerard Keay.

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

Jon was a creep before, but with that floorboard he's just being creepy.

[@GoliathPyroson]

“A power like this and she was using it to try and make Money?! It sickened me” I FUCKIN AGREE

[@Gooberpotomous]

I've noticed the number of likes has dropped significantly from the first season and I can only assume everyone who hasn't liked these episodes are too involved in the story to give it a thought. Note to self: go back and like the ones I've missed

[@ot7biasedmashups]

I can imagine a lot of people just listen to this podcast in the playlist and don't pay attention because of the auto play

[@elizabethpemberton8445]

I get absorbed in tasks and the next episode comes up before I remember to like the last one.

[@KaiDoods]

I've been trying to like the episodes, but I usually binge a good 20 episodes in one sitting while I'm drawing or whatnot and I forget to like each video as they pass :p

[@KenKen3593]

Only just realized the ominous music starts the moment Gertrude says “Mary Keay”

[@debbiebishop86]

so am i just expected to ignore the amount of raw sexual tension between mary and gertrude or

[@casperthecadaver3743]

it would be a crime to ignore it, honestly.

[@TH-is8cf]

They're amicable exes

[@lokimemes4694]

Especially with how *into* the story Mary seems to be

[@alfire2504]

...wot?

[@DrMDHyde]

I mean, I don’t think you can ignore something that doesn’t exist

[@cain3895]

In this fandom, most people agree on Jon/Martin, but when it comes to Mary/Gertrude. Hoo its like a warzone.

[@Dani_1012]

Mary's voice actress was phenomenal, I hope we get to hear more from her

[@ascendedbyhubrys_760]

"God no, I hate the stuff" That's when I knew there was something wrong

[@gaiamritawhitright8890]

GOD you see so many subtle hints and puns when you're re-listening!! for example *end season 2 spoilers* "I know the Institute and me haven’t always seen eye-to-eye, as it were." *EYE* TO *EYE*

[@theprideling]

SPOILERS HERE TOO: Also now knowing she just handed Gertrude her husband's page so casually? Gertrude's old coworker, possibly one of the few people she considered a friend?!?!?!?!? I know we shouldn't be surprised but... FUCK that's just mean.

[@Excelsior1937]

OH GOODIE EVEN MORE SPOILERS I also love that casual name-dropping of The End. In context it just sounds like she’s just referring to death but it’s a different story when you find out about all the entities.

[@albuseisenhorn3385]

oh yes the puns

[@midnights2631]

Who can see eye to eye to a short person? This is coming from a short person.

[@asterphy]

DOESN’T MARY DIE THE SAME WAY SHE IS DESCRIBING?

[@mozarteanchaos]

@@JA-iu3eq my theory is that It's Free Immortality but idk how well it holds up. whatever the case i feel like she had it done intentionally, since like you said, she didnt seem all that upset and her son was Presumably in possession of her book (n i feel like if someone else had turned her skin into a book, they wouldve taken the book themselves instead of giving it back to gerard) but thats just a theory. a g-

[@josephwatkins1190]

Feel the same way, she knew she was running out of time so made her son perform the ritual on her, that's why she changed from before and why it sounds like he resents her when he burns that book, also is why he was acquired because her body disappeared

[@elliottgaylord6212]

This episode has made me certain that she intentionally chose to die this way. Towards the end of the statement she says "After a lifetime, I know all [the book's] secrets, save one. And I have a pretty good idea about how to find that." Only question is whether or not her son was involved in the death

[@2001Pieps]

So maybe that's how Mary was able to return to talk to Dominic Swain in ep 4.

[@friakula4763]

her voice is so soothing.... i truly adore this podcast

[@Lightning-ik3so]

the slowly louder music that was going on constantly in the background, which is usually not until the climax was honestly so concerning

[@pyrosianheir]

Oof, going from Daisy's good voice last time to Mary's somehow creepy voice this time is.... quite a bit of whiplash. o.O

[@mimkyodar]

Everyone focusing on the Mary/Gertrude and barely anyone commenting on the actual big reveals that are dropped here.

[@minuspi8372]

They're much more obvious when you know them already

[@albuseisenhorn3385]

shhhhhh lol

[@RelativelyBest]

Hell yes. Finally some progress on the Gertrude case.

[@missW42]

Relistening to it makes me wonder just /how much/ I... do not remember my initial reactions to all this; I must have devoured all the episodes too fast. BUT GOD MARY IS SO INTRIGUING; AND THE MENTION OF ERIC! I find it quite fascinating that Gertrude goes "I should tell Elias"; is this a ploy for Mary, or does she genuinely worked with Elias with far more ease than Jon? I hope we get to hear more about their relationship in any case!

[@nanahuatli2144]

Maybe that's why she got killed and Jon's at least right about not trusting Elias.

[@Shadowreaper5]

Not only was the recording full of more info about how you actually use a leitner but now John has the laptop too? What a juicy episode. My only regret is that I have to put it down for a bit.

[@AhriOfAstora]

Gertrude you clever beast.

[@StrangeTheEditor]

Is it me, or do Jon's direct statement givers tend to be more focused. It could just be old age, but I wonder... Maybe he really is a better Archivist than Gertrude.

[@Glamiers]

Jon: Mary me Gertrude didn’t like each other Also Jon: Martin showing compassion,caring for me and bringing me tea and lunch? Suspicious he must be working for someone

[@lilaboxx]

I'm both living for Mary shading the institute because I've got the feeling that there is something going on that they're not telling the people who work at the archives bit I'm also very scared of her and think she's not on the right side either. Gertrude is iconic.

[@nojhjnbj]

I’m sorry but Mary’s voice actor SHIVeRs HOLy shIt IT DOESN’T SETTLE WELL W ME. It’s so well done :,)

[@bugy_sponge]

i am wtf??? like, i knew that Marry Key was a real person in univarce for a while because of the statments but like, there is a diffrence between hearing about her from John reading the statments and actually hearing a statment from her??? oh my god i am so excited. also she and Gertrude knew each oher???? holy shit this is so cool already

[@weffle2449]

At about 10 minutes in I finally realized that Ms Keay sounds _exactly_ like Yzma from Emperor's New Groove

[@fevre_dream8542]

Oh God dammit.

[@malaizze]

She’s like that

[@wonderwhatsgonnahappen579]

Getrude and Mary having a conversation is actually very interesting. Two old ladies having a wholesome discussion of flesh books.

[@psych0ruins]

its crazy how this all happened to her when she was like 9

[@itsiz9738]

bLOWN LIGHTBLUBS?!?! (I know ya'll like that, but none of ya have commented it yet)

[@ButterflyColors]

I didn’t listen to the name being said at the beginning, so realizing slowly that it was Mary was bone chilling

[@cezar3169]

Am i the only one who loves Mary? I mean, yeah sure, she seemed off but other than that she seemed pretty chill and kudos to her for learning Sanskrit i searched it up and it seemed complicated as hell edit: I hate Mary now

[@ohmymarbles]

HELP? I want to know what Mary does but at the same time I don't

[@cezar3169]

@@ohmymarbles trust me, you don't wanna get spoiled. I wish you all the luck on your listen!

[@-S.L.]

I mean she implied in this that she's been killing people so yeah ._.

[@malaizze]

Reformation…

[@TIGGYQUE]

Wow that's some wild 180 turnaround

[@habstinker3514]

Gerard keay disliked this bc he doesn’t like that his mom went to see her ex

[@racoon_in_ankhmorpork]

I really enjoy the dynamic of Gertrude and Mary. From the vibes I get in this episode, I’d say they embody that friendship trope in fiction between two characters who are extremely knowledgeable on a certain topic, tolerate each other, but aren’t _exactly_ on the same side (yes, Mary said they were, but I’m not sure of how true it was… perhaps in an “enemy of my enemy” way, but no more than that, *I think* ). I almost ship them, but I think I prefer them being friends.

[@kehlcassidy9562]

I get real Aziraphale and Crowley vibes from Gertrude and Mary 0.0

[@racoon_in_ankhmorpork]

@@kehlcassidy9562 it’s been a long time since I’ve listened to this episode and I don’t remember their dynamic well, but from what I DO remember: totally! I’ll have to relisten with that in mind, but I think I’ll agree with you.

[@mirai2275]

wAIT MARY KEAY??!!

[@evagrev7351]

My theory from this episode and what we know so far: Okay, lots of info in this episode. More things that affirm my theory of the institute being working for the open eye entity. Mary's family have been protected by it since her ancestor started working for it as we learn in that 1816 letter to magnus. She hints at least a couple of times that she's not only working for the open eye (the most obvious one is when she said about "a singular devotion being too restrictive"). But we also learn that the open eye entity is also a sinister one, when she says that she likes watching people dying but not being the one to do it. I believe we also get more info about the people who work for the open eye (whether they know it or not is a different thing), how some of them are on the "offensive", getting out and doing work for it (like the researchers and also gerard), and some of them are just staying behind and gathering the info (like the archivists). Now, I had to google it 'cause what mary said about the last secret of the book and saying gertrude to "wish her luck" intrigued me, and it turns out that mary died in the same year of this statement, according to one of season 1's episodes (the first time we hear about her and gerard). So, my theory is that that last secret of the book she is reffering to is probably the one she did or tried to do and led to her death. She did the same thing she was doing to the book's victims, with the skin and all, and the victims seem like they're forever trapped in that book. So, I'm guessing the last secret of the book had something to do with making her like the others, forever linked with that book, but unlike the others she wouldn't be trapped in it. So, I'm guessing something like "as far as the book exists I can exist and the only way to kill me is to destroy the book alltogether". Since she appears after her death, I believe she succeeded or at least partially succeeded (maybe her face being full of the words is one of the side effects that would make her spell/ritual a partially successful one). Gertrude knew and Elias know alot more about their situation that we thought until now, so it's interesting to see if the other people who work in the institute know what they're working for or not, or even if they're actual humans at all or if they once were humans but not anymore. As for the "end", what is it? Is it one of the entities, or is it the place from where the entities originate from? Her saying that she doesn't find death interesting reminds me of that episode about the death entity, so is "the end" also "death"? Also, her talking about that Eric and how gertrude "should ask what's left of him" makes me thing that the page she gave to getrude is this eric she's reffering to and is someone they both know.

[@zGabaz]

First time listener here. Love your theories, mate

[@A-X-rt2pn]

Bro i shouldn't even be watching these with my predisposition to paranoia and ptsd surrounding the paranormal but like i can't stop even though i am literally on edge 24/7 :'( I really love the story and wanna get to the bottom of all this mystery! Anyone Else?

[@ot7biasedmashups]

Me

[@zGabaz]

@@ot7biasedmashups Me 2. I've become mentally ill due to this podcast, nice

[@huntercharleston5812]

You know what intrigues me? Mary's voice. Its so calm and gives friendly old woman that gives you cookies and listens to your complaints about the world and she just sounds so nice. But the words she says. They terrify me so much. And the complete lack of mentioning Jared. Where is he? What's he doing at the time of this recording? And why is Martin not in this episode?? Martin is baby, he is Angel, he is god, I would I would cheat on a game with Death for Martin. We need more Martin. Hang the plot, give us more Martin!

Does she? I found her voice unsettling. It put me on alert as soon as she started talking.

[@huntercharleston5812]

@ oh I knowwwww that's why I love her voice so much! It's like it ought to sound like nice old lady vibes but it's not. She sounds dangerous from her first line and you can't tell why 🤩

[@Badficwriter]

@@huntercharleston5812 Ayep. She sounds like she'd poison soup she brought sick people. Her voice is like razor blades hidden in candy.

[@f_mva]

so mary was killed with the book, and that's how she could talk with the guy who had ex altiora in s1?

[@fays.p.5663]

I get Aunt Mary vibes from Gertrude and Doctor Olivia Octavius vibes from Mary

[@raspberry8865]

my friends call me liv

[@Hello-ub8kt]

Omg yes I was trying to find a good frame of reference for it but I think you’ve got it

[@atiredweeb8551]

Me: *hears a creak * Also me: Oh God someone's opened a door and is gonna kill Gertrude or smth oh frick what if its Elias it would be wouldnt it oh frick on no its- Jon: Its a floorboard. Me: ..... Oh. Jon: Also I found this key- Me: *crawling into my grave * mhm :')

[@psych0ruins]

bruh when i saw the statement was from MARY I FREAKED THE FUCK OUT OH MY GOD!

[@fyredollkin]

I had started to watch this series a few days ago and now I'm fully engrossed in the story behind it! I am wholeheartedly excited to see where the tale goes from here and I just can't seem to stop watching! The voice actors are spectacular in their performances and the sense of dread, of fear from the build up is astronomically delicious story! :D

[@fish3977]

Mary / Gerald had the drawing of an eye and eye tattoos where as gerdrude went and cut out all the eyes from book covers. Pretty sure they are opposing sides

[@jesssam7384]

Omg i absolutely love the ending! That gave me a big joy

[@holicandy01]

Im working while relistening, cheking Income Taxes, there are many boxes and lots of work. I didnt know we had a client named Jurgen until I was at the Js, Mr Jurgens file in hand. Fuck. (It's not a common name here)

[@lilalino]

Mary straight up saying "the End, of course" 0.0

[@imchoosingnottoexist6894]

OH MY GOD THIS EPISODE IS AMAZING

[@sheolcodemonkey4027]

At long last, an answer to my biggest outstanding question: why Mary Keay was blasting death metal at 2 in the morning

[@catdn7011]

Ok but the tension between these two grandmas tho

[@allofsam]

"elias might not have killed her" okay dude

[@maddyc2025]

This episode gave me a dull anxiety in my stomach the whole time, and i did NOT like it. Great episode though, Mary is really freaky and interesting.

[@peacebuddha96]

Oh no I feel like this will be a creepy episode, but I need TMA to be comfortable and fall asleep I'm addicted to it 😭

[@macabrecitrus2127]

wtf I'm scared but this was good

[@shalak26]

Me: lmao whos this random old woman Gertrude: Statement of mary keay Me: wAiT WHAT-

[@astheusual]

Mary keay is one of my favorite characters, I liked her even from her first appearance

[@wannabelich7159]

Kind of funny to me how both Gerry and Mary find Leitner so underwhelming when they meet him.

[@kaayya.k]

Tma fans every time an object appears: OMG!!! A syringe!! >:'00 I'm SURE it's the same one that was showed in episode [exact number] and that this all is just an evil scheme! (And by "Tma fans", I mean myself)

[@samschmidt8772]

I wonder whose page that was and if Gertrude ever read it aloud. Just have to wait and find out

[@pot-ay-topot-ah-to4325]

mary: she barely even stirred me: as you escaped mary: as the blade glided over her windpipe me: UHHHHHHH

[@alexroseman5875]

Haha eye to eye

[@Hyena_Heckler]

Hey Mary, why don't we just chill a fuckin bit, yeah?

[@midnights2631]

I didn't expect Gertrude and Mary to know each other, I'm happy to hear her voice! :D

[@crystaltodd4737]

Okay, I could be crazy but does anyone else get at least vague Eurus vibes from Mary? Eurus from the BBC Sherlock series. Something about Mary just feels similar to me

[@sheolcodemonkey4027]

"Elias might not have killed her, but there is a lot he's not telling me. I'm afraid to ask, though" Yeah good call. I mean, can you imagine that conversation? Jon: "Hey there everyone, glad you've forgiven me" The others: "Sure have. You're not still paranoid though, are you?" Jon: "What? No, no, no!" The others: "..." Jon: "..." Jon: "So that Elias guy"

[@etienneporras7252]

"We're really on the same side when you think about it..." Dammit all!

[@Badficwriter]

Its the classic "We'Re NoT sO dIfFeReNt, YoU aNd I" :D

[@pot-ay-topot-ah-to4325]

FLAPPING MY ARMS WITH EXCITEMENT AT THAT ENDING HOLY SHIT

[@rachely5549]

love the old woman yuri tbh

[@erinbathie-moore8478]

This was certainly a fascinating episode. I'm glad John is uncovering the secrets.... That Mary Keay tho.. She's as Pleasantly Unpleasant as the being Michael. Im really enjoying this podcast 💙

[@wind-flower]

I believe this is the first time that one of the "powers" at work behind the scenes was directly named. Mary is affiliated with Death/"The End" - other episodes connected to this are Pageturner, the Cheating Death episode, the Piper episode (?), and probably a few others that I have forgotten about. I really liked the voice acting here, great grandma face-off.

[@birbelle]

Yes!! More leads!! I’m very excited to see where this all leads to. Also, everyone’s commenting on the ‘raw sexual tension’ between Gertrude and Mary and honestly I can kind of see it lmaooooo

[@ajnapalm]

2 scary old ladies. Old People are Scary.

[@ceci3524]

BROOOOO I LOVE MARY SO MUCH like i wanna be her friend but also obviously not??? im having a blast

[@TheWorstestPro]

Anybody else notice the noises of the floorboard opening in the background as Jon is speaking at the end? Is it him opening it or somebody else?

[@hamburgerdog25]

I knew it was a Jurgen Lightner case from the title

[@BethanFuckingRose]

How do I always end up listening to something featuring flaying when I’m shaving my legs in the bath 🤢🤢