THE MAGNUS ARCHIVES #67 - Burning Desire

[@maryagrimm8412]

AU where they actually make their relationship work and they come work in the archive. Jon loses his mind because Agnes keeps scorching papers and artifacts beyond repair.

[@lulxs_5650]

that would be SO CUTE

[@rafotrarran6888]

"What are you going to do "fire" me"

[@theartistswings9810]

@@rafotrarran6888 you *bastard*

[@alilweeb7684]

@@rafotrarran6888 OMFG

[@alilweeb7684]

SOMEONE JUST MAKE A FANFIC ALREADY

[@nanahuatli2144]

Hey Jon, remember when people would tell you their spooky experiences and you'd go "yeah right, Mr/Ms hallucination"? How's it feel to be on the receiving end?

[@jaderush4141]

Well, he didn't tell that to them directly in most cases. He was adding these assesments later, for himself and the entity that was watching him. I can only remember him snapping at Melanie, but we all know she was a jerk to him first, so servers her right.

[@theWeaverofTales]

He also openly admitted that he did believe them and that the skepticism was for show

[@syrusangi8743]

@@theWeaverofTales I think the skeptism was more of a coping mechanism, trying to find some sense in the paranormal

[@cleliea8770]

"where there had been a spider’s web this morning, there was just a faint wisp of smoke" Agnes really doesn't seem to like spiders :v

[@rileymichael2694]

well now i wanna see agnes go up against whatever the hell has to do with all the spiders we've been seeing in previous episodes

[@alilweeb7684]

@@rileymichael2694 yeah its heird. cuz theres definetly a relation between spiders and the cult of the lightless flame. it seem that she ran away from the cult

[@bastardcoconut9785]

i think the lightless flame and the web has some beef or something

[@justlittleoldme4589]

@@bastardcoconut9785 the lightless flame also has beef with the hive

[@midnights2631]

After being with Raymond, who can blame her?

[@emerz3530]

This episode is essentially just "Smokin' hot babes in your area 🥵"

[@theoneguyoverthere]

Tasteless, but not inaccurate. I begrudgingly give a like to this comment.

[@no-namemcnameless7188]

🔥

[@ilomilo850]

@@theoneguyovertheresame

[@BlueCat201X]

"You know how hard would it be to replace you." "I... I don't, actually. But, thank you.... I suppose." I'm dead. I'm dead on the floor, died of cuteness. Jon are you aware that everyone cares you

[@elspeth6244]

It becomes considerably less cute when you finish the podcast and relisten :/

[@BlueCat201X]

I was mainly cute-ing over Jon's reaction. He was, and always will be, just precious sometimes. And OH YEAH I know what happens later alright...

[@elspeth6244]

Błękitna Kotka Yeah Jon deserves better honestly...

[@TheNitpickChick]

Here: “Oh that’s nice! Elias appreciates Jon’s hard work, and genuinely thinks replacing him would be hard!” ☺️ Ep. 160 happens: oh... OH.....OH NO!!! 😱

[@sknfmsmr]

I feel like "replacing" him has a different meaning. He said it like he's chosen Jon particularly to be the archivist? Like Jon was a special piece, a rare object that hard to replace. Or he's been changed and gone through some phases to provide some spesific need to him, like it would be hard to find another person and do it all over again. Am I thinking too much? Edit: HAHAHA hahah....... hah.

[@amphitritemists4595]

*Jack describing Agnes as a dangerous inhuman creature with eyes that look like they want to trap you but still very much in love with her * Jack wants to be stepped on and honestly same✌

[@lalaliet]

Askhgggdhfhhrsdf I just kept remembering the song Jolene

[@coconoisette]

Jack saw a supernatural babe asked is anybody gonna kiss that and didn't wait for an answer

[@grantm.5975]

@@coconoisetteBig “I like the kind of woman that will actually just kill me” energy.

[@achnav3762]

I'm feeling so bad for Agnes. She didn't have a choice. And it looks like she only wants to be normal, and not to hurt anyone. She saved the boy in the uphill house and only wanted to kiss her "boyfriend" before she dies :( Good chance that it was her first kiss ever (since burning people alive makes romance kind of difficult)

[@clayxros576]

And at the very least her bf doesn't seem to have minded as much as he....really had a right to. Doesn't even seem to regret it. I think that is what brings a sense of cathersis to this particular tragedy. He suffered but didn't mind giving Agnes a pleasant last memory...or at least, what he hoped would be. I have a suspicion she deeply regretted taking that kiss...

[@maggiem6209]

Y'all make me tear up. Thanks for that. 🥲

[@thestranger4894]

Just realized she probably acts creepy as a little girl so people would avoid her and she doesn’t have to hurt anyone…

[@zGabaz]

@@clayxros576 He's a king and she's a queen ;-; I hope she found peace whatever happened... (first time listener)

[@ghostboy3994]

no remember she kissed the guy in hilltop road!!

[@ThePuppyTurtle]

This episode is brilliant. After dozens of episodes building up Agnus as this creepy child arsonist, she completely melts my heart with four words. "That must be nice."

[@thestranger4894]

Recontextualuzed creepy child Agnes to just be her trying to make people avoid her so she doesn’t burn them too.

[@chrisradek6693]

Such a sad tale for both Jack and Agnes - I get the feeling that whatever Agnes actually is, she really does just yearn for a normal life.

[@pyrosianheir]

If she was what she was from as young as when she was first adopted by Raymond Fielding, then I'd image it's the biggest thing on her mind. Never actual able to be normal, as opposed to all the others who come into roles similar to hers later in life.

[@hamburgerdog25]

Judging by the description in the beginning, I'd say she is probably an Other (what we saw in Anglerfish, Breeckon and Hope, the circus, taxidermy, etc). Lifeless eyes, only speaks in key phrases, not really able to act natural, _not_ a person. I mean, that has Other-people written all over it if you ask me

[@itstictac2825]

Honestly Elias at the end was all of us. Really, John, get some sleep I really like Agnes. She's really chill and has such a sad story

[@ainayyakalyani3678]

Chill? I belive she's actually quite the opposite

[@jaxsonadros2066]

@@ainayyakalyani3678 hot as hell 😎

[@lucidfantasies2732]

Stawp ​@@ainayyakalyani3678💀

[@cutiepie120048]

Now I feel bad that the construction worker tore down her tree and opened the chest :(

[@wingdingdoes6687]

OHH THAT'S WHAT SHE MEANT ABOUT THE TREE. THANK U I TOTALLY FORGOT

[@Companion92]

Me too :(

[@b-blythe6763]

Now i'm worried the tree was keeping the spiders in

[@ענברפרידמן-מרין]

@@b-blythe6763 it was probably keeping her alive, too

[@alilweeb7684]

@@b-blythe6763 ohh thats a nice theory

[@morganmontgomery1800]

I can't help but be amused by the way Jon sounds so professional in all of the main recordings but in the supplementary ones he's just like "JFC TIM I DON'T KNOW BUT YOU MIGHT BE A MURDERER!"

[@lokimemes4694]

5:40 Is it bad that I actually found the bed sheet joke really funny?

[@jonathanmejia346]

Not at all It's the pinnacle of comedy

[@vaishaliwarrier6610]

Freakin loved it, peak hilarity tbh

[@TH-is8cf]

But... did agnes actually have a little crush? :(

[@DrMDHyde]

I think she just found the novelty of it neat.

[@alilweeb7684]

call me optmistic but i think she did

[@camiart_casual]

I like to think she did but she just... didn't know how to people

[@marmina1283]

i mean theres no other reason she would have spent time with him

[@clayxros576]

@cak01vej I feel calling her a pyrokinetic is being generous. More like a bottle of oil. We haven't seen any members of the Lightless Flame actually exude fire in a meaningful way, they either use themselves as fuel to make a very potent fire or they bring weak flames wherever they go. Waiting until they are needed to fuel a ritual. It's unfortunate...I think she knew that destiny. And was too far in to escape it. I don't think I could even bring myself to be mad at her for trying to get a kiss before her time. Especially when he asked first....he at least doesn't seem to have minded either. I do hope she finds peace and doesn't simply burn forever. Even she doesn't deserve that.

[@eaglelord145]

Why is the concept of kissing someone causing them to suffer life-ruining burns and scars so tragically romantic to me

[@bardoftherunekeepers6601]

This is where I realized that the lightless flame faction hates the spider faction. I bet that little girl on hilltop house was part of the lightless flame b/c the kiss is similar, a fiery feeling. And both stories ended up with spider faction people being hurt/foiled.

[@bardoftherunekeepers6601]

And now I realize that it’s the same character. That’s why you finish the video before posting, kids.

[@calebdouglas2512]

@@bardoftherunekeepers6601 Haha yeah I was about to mention that it literally says that they're the same person

[@LucasDimoveo]

Holy shit! I totally missed that!

[@xxllamaborrachaxx9374]

@@bardoftherunekeepers6601 I am sure we've ALL made this mistake at some point, don't worry xD

[@mistydevillier2197]

Exactamondo

[@Simplexityjane]

Ahh yes, the adrenal response no one ever talks about but is in fact A Thing. I suppose the 'fight flight freeze or fornicate response' just doesn't roll off the tongue very well.

[@Companion92]

Yeah, I mean fight, flight or freeze is not that long. It could totally be used. I think people just like dualism. But there are always more that two options.

[@marinao4412]

"fight flight freeze or fuck" is a little shorter and easier to say

[@TiredHistorian]

@@marinao4412 more commonly known as the FFFF response

[@DrMDHyde]

snajper230 The Fantastic Four

[@frostpersonal3758]

bards in dnd:

[@AnanasVert]

Elias' "oh Good Loooord don't be so dramatic" had me in tears. I like that spreadsheet man and his Exhausted Boss vibes.

[@emilyk38]

As someone relistening, I just wanted to remind you of this comment

[@aplant9980]

As someone on their second listen- I do Enjoy that spreadsheet man, but I do not Like him

[@coconoisette]

Elias: All my employees are being paranoid freaks and all i want is some goddam administrative work!

[@TasnimAhana-vw8ct]

As someone who's listening for the first time but does know that one spoiler, I still kinda like the guy.

[@ivy7299]

barista AU

[@noomre9105]

This

[@evatha69]

@@JA-iu3eq SLOWBURN------- I'M DEAD

[@ash.g1310]

@@JA-iu3eq I cant HAHAHAHUJEBRBUIVBRUIVBRUB3U

[@Elizabeth-jv8pd]

NOOO

[@Kaleidosaur]

I feel so bad for Agnes in this -.-

[@rileymichael2694]

she seemed genuinely happy with the guy too ;-;-; the bit with the tear absolutely killed me

[@TransilvanianHunger1334]

I feel bad for the guy she burned the face of just to experience a kiss. At least I imagine so.

[@alilweeb7684]

@@TransilvanianHunger1334 "i lost 80% of my face and im forever ugly as hell....worth it"

[@clayxros576]

@@alilweeb7684 At lease he seems to think that too

[@conibal5045]

i honestly think agnes is a good person at this point, like she was cursed or a fire demon or something but she saved that guy from the spider basement and she never learned how to behave like a person but it really seemed like this guy made her happy and im so sad about it.

[@alessiapalma8823]

Wait what? My memory is just so bad lol, can you remind me when she saved the spider guy? Which episode? What circumstances?

[@aliyinn3186]

@@alessiapalma8823 its in the episode "recluse" i think? She kissed the guy on the cheek and when later on raymond tried to use the spider mind control on him his cheek started burning and he came back to his senses

[@jakebrill5990]

Agnes the manic pixie girl lol

[@sarahe8459]

lmao this is exactly what i was thinking when i was listening

[@Badficwriter]

I think Agnes behavior might be the opposite of manic 🤔

[@grfrjiglstan]

Now that Jon knows nobody can leave, he's gonna pull that "do it or I'll quit" thing all the time, lol

[@b-blythe6763]

My hot take is that Agnes is the Lightless Flame dressed up as a human, sort of like Michael the distortion. But I think she's been doing it much longer, long enough that she came to enjoy it and regretted when she could no longer play that role.

[@clayxros576]

I think she is more the avatar, and was chosen as one before she even had a choice. It's why she likes the novelty of ordering coffee and having a boyfriend. And honestly, probably the reason she couldn't escape the fate she was all too aware of. She was already bound to her role....and it seems the cult around her wanted to save her. Shame they wouldn't have had time.

[@hugoguzman4985]

HOT take

[@juliankohler5086]

Who's Michael again? I seem to remember a window and bloated hands. Nothing else. What did he say? Why? With whom did he interact?

[@lovestrucktheidiot]

@@juliankohler5086 Without providing spoilers, Michael showed up previously to Sasha, and is connected with the non-euclidean hallway that appeared to Helen Richardson in episode 47.

[@FireBirdTheEpic]

Some of these stories are spooky, but this one is just depressing...

[@RoseMultiverse]

Poor Agnes... 🥺 she just wanted to be loved and to live as a human it seems..

[@hrani]

"That must be nice" ;__;

[@TheJuliana0901]

I mean, props for Jon for giving them such a cool name. I would have expected his sass to be petty

[@theartistswings9810]

I fairly sure the tern lightless flame was used in a previous statement by the statement giver andjon just connected the dots.

[@maneater2066]

@@theartistswings9810 Yup, homeboy Gerald Keay called it Lightless Flame in reference to Diego Melina in episode 12.

[@fluffsnake]

HM, strange that the first time she kissed someone (on the cheek) it only was a short, burning sensation in comparison to.. yeah. I suppose that's where the ep's title comes into play? If so, I feel bad for Agnes >_< maybe she was human like Prentiss and all she wanted was to experience a normal life :( poor guy was a victim of a genuinely innocent desire... ahhhhh

[@tearez13]

Back on hilltop though I feel like she just gave him a quick peck on the cheek, to save him. Here she put both hands on his face, pulling him into what I can imagine as a long emotional kiss (many characters with powers of some kind have their powers linked with their emotions hence her powers being stronger). She knew that she was going to die, or at least no longer exist in a way she could pretend to be human anymore, so in a way she may have been not only kissing our statement giver goodbye, but also all hopes she had for being 'normal'.

[@gaiamritawhitright8890]

"no more impetuous subterranean adventures, understand??" killed me

[@faksyan]

This is definitely one of my favorite episodes. Agnes is such a cool and interesting character, and the idea of her going on dates with this random human barista just because she wanted to have fun is so cute and different from most of other statements. And the guy kissing her and not regretting it even though he basically lost half of his face? What a legend

[@moriarty1243]

"For god's sake, get some sleep" Me, binging TMA at 4AM: Yeah, Jon! Get some sleep!!!

[@RoseMultiverse]

The entities are fightingggggg * thinking about that part where the spider web got toasted *

[@clayxros576]

Even in the episode where Jon went into the tunnels there was evidence of the entities fighting. He was drawn down by whatever decided to use the chalk, and shoo'd away by the entity/avatar that actually lived in the labyrinth. It rather makes me happy to see honestly, to know humans aren't just swept along by an illuminati. They're actually agents that matter in the world. A bit like ours.

[@cylyte2436]

NO I FEEL SO BAD. Like shit, this almost made me cry :( I remember feeling kinda happy when Agnes died earlier in the series, after I’d heard all that’d happened with the freaky tree and the construction worker. I rlly thought that the guy running the home had just genuinely been a good person and Agnes had been a curse/his downfall. The was such a bittersweet ending, I love the way this guy described Agnes and the time he spent with her. The way that they’d go on dates that she only seemed to go on to enjoy being around him and especially the part where he said he didn’t think he’d’ve done anything differently had he the chance to go back. I wish it had worked out for them, and the house on hilltop road had been left alone.

[@CamilleChauTempsDesCerises]

Well, there still was the whole "evrything she touches burn" problem

[@darlingrosiebun8952]

So when the guy messed up that tree he killed Agnes damn

[@sarah-bz8of]

God I love this man, he sees a absolutely weird woman who doesn't talk and scare him and he's immediately like that's my type

[@bremilly3490]

I keep wondering if she was the one who was crying- this is so sad :(

[@nanahuatli2144]

The tear was so hot that it burned him even through all the burning already going on. If it had been his, it'd probably have been unnoticeable.

[@hamburgerdog25]

Daley: Jack, your girlfriend is a robot. Jack: haters be hatin' Daley: she doesn't eat. Ever. Jack: thats out of context Daley: the other day, someone accidentally spilled coffee on her and sparks flew from her body Jack: isn't she just electrifying? Daley: she didn't even make proper plans with you for the "date" Jack: momma didn't raise no quitter Daley: she nearly burned a man _alive_ Jack: nobody's perfect

[@benjaminjenkins2384]

SPOILER WARNING!!! Can we appreciate that this random barista in his thirties accidentally stopped what was presumably the ritual for The Desolation by falling for Agnes and asking her out on a date? Like that's honestly kind of cute in my opinion.

[@mimkyodar]

You're assuming that what he did was under his own power/influence

[@Idran]

@@mimkyodar nah, it's cute either way

[@purplethistle853]

I think it was that plus the guy that took down that tree at Hilltop Road

[@nathanielskalimba974]

I think maybe The Web had something to do with it, like when he asked her on a date, just a little thug in the right direction

[@melissaharris3389]

Agnes and Jack are dress rehearsal for the tragedy that is Jon and Martin.

[@sweatea821]

Ok but why does this ep have a better romance then like 9l% of webtoons

[@thebluemoon19]

These are all so great. I’m so enthralled in the story that, as I binge listen, I keep forgetting to like the episodes! I’ll definitely go back and do that. Don’t worry. Just...one more episode though...

[@turnipper4370]

I had the same problem of forgetting to like them so i got into the habit of liking the episode before watching it, now i like them automatically and i tend to read the comments too as the intro music plays :)

[@mypreviousnamewasreallycri3670]

"'just... one more episode though... ' statement ends. Amber was discovered dead of starvation in her New Orleans home on Saturday the twenty-fifth of march, two thousand three. Her podcast had one episode left unplayed. She had not yet liked any of them. Recording ends."

[@tearez13]

@@mypreviousnamewasreallycri3670 this is brilliant,

[@jesssam7384]

This reminded me of flame Princess and Finn's relationship from AT and i think this was cute

[@cocoTr33]

complete with burning kisses

[@hamburgerdog25]

Thats what I was thinking when I first heard this episode. People of different worlds that found each other in fascination, though their worlds can never truly collide they remain in awe of one another

[@konkeydongblaster]

YES, I was thinking the same thing, this episode has to be inspired by Adventure time, it feels so similar- It could be a coincidence of course but if so then this is a big one.

[@sneasnake6368]

"We really don't have the budget for that." But you had the budget for various expeditions and a bunch of petrol, lighter fluid, and torches, huh, Elias? 👀

[@melissaharris3389]

Gertrude apparently blew through the next decade of the archives budget.

[@frostpersonal3758]

"lightless flame" way to be dramatic jon

[@Alexandra-ip2by]

former theatre kid jonathan sims

[@samschmidt8772]

The more I learn about Agnus, the less I think she's actually bad. Dangerous yes. She is most definitely dangerous. But there is a difference between being dangerous and being bad. Something can be dangerous and still be good. That being said I don't know if I would exactly call Agnus good. With everything that's going on I doubt anything is really truly good here. But I think that Agnus is fighting against something that is bad. There is something wrong with the spiders. Something sinister. And I think Agnus, and whatever group she might have been a part of, are working against the spiders.

[@mechengr1731]

I had that realization back in the boys home episode. That girl saved someone, and this episode she just wanted to be normal. 😭😭😭

[@fish3977]

But spiders helped against the worms while as the invisible flame has been horrible as well. Really sounds that at best your wellbeing might accidentally align with interests of these powers

[@oburci9596]

@@fish3977 But the lightless flame also helped against the worms, remeber how the owner of the place where Jane Prentiss was lit himself and the entire apartment on fire just to get rid of a hive?

[@KateCantDraw]

OK SO THIS EPISODE HURT MY HEART SO BAD!!!! LIKE "yeah yeah yeah poor guy his face got burned off" BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY POOR AGNES!!!! POOR BABY PROBABLY SPENT HER ENTIRE LIFE ISOLATED AND WITHOUT ANYONE WHO REALLY CARED ABOUT HER!!!! SHE WAS DANGEROUS AND HER POWER CAUSED MUCH SUFFERING BUT THIS STATEMENT REALLY GIVES YOU A VEIW INTO THE FACT SHE WAS VERY MUCH A PERSON AND SHE WAS SO FREAKING SAD!!!! LITERALLY YOU COULD TELL EVEN JUST FROM SUBTLE THINGS THAT HER LIFE WAS A CONSTANT UPWARD BATTLE TOWARDS A BITTERSWEET PEAK!!!! LIKE HERE'S SOME JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD! 1:She literally didn't know how to smile, at least not in any natural way because she'd never had a reason to, so when she was approached by this guy who seemed to care how she was and wasn't some sleezy scumbag or part of her weird little group, she just did her best to do what she saw everyone else do when they felt good feelings. 2: she has NO IDEA how socializing really works, much less dates, so once again we see her doing what she's seen other people do and what she's heard about such as picking someone up at their home (she probably didn't realize that most people schedule these things) and taking them to a location, like a romantic walk in the park. 3: She literally goes to the cafe every morning and orders the most bland and basic drink and she gets so much satisfaction from it, she doesn't even drink it and she then just sits and does nothing but just that fragment of normalcy of ordering a basic black coffee every morning at a local cafe is so important to her. 4:She probably has trouble controlling her abilities, if she has any power over them at all. Clearly she did something with the tree and that house that held and kinda tied the affects of at least some of her fire to that place, but she still had lots of issues, like staying in one place for a long time probably would leave a heat mark of some sort (the chair she sat in and parts of her home), like if you put a hot pot on a piece of wood for a long time, if you just tap it to it then you'll see no visible damage but if you leave it there it's gonna leave a mark. (Also the cup her coffee came in probably wasn't as affected because the cups are designed to take heat). I can't think of any more off the top of my head atm but GEEZ! Poor thing!!!!

[@TheRealEvilkitten3]

elias really cares about his employees - love how he's keeping an eye on jon.

[@imthirun]

Ahhh yes, eyes.

[@gabrielluz5110]

You mean keeping E Y E S on jon right?

[@TheRealEvilkitten3]

@@gabrielluz5110 i know what i said

[@TomEllisLovesU]

_This burning desireee_ _is turning me to sin_ C'mon I can't be the only one

[@k0rny672]

HELLFIRE

[@TomEllisLovesU]

@Athena Sprague It is the gypsy girl, the witch who sent this flame!

[@teleutenachtigaller2762]

@@TomEllisLovesU It's not my fault! And in God's plan, He made the devil so much stronger than a maaaaaaaaaan

[@TomEllisLovesU]

@@teleutenachtigaller2762 protect me, mariaaaa

[@wawa2001]

@@TomEllisLovesU Don't let this siren cast her spell!!

[@Companion92]

This was so sad :( I feel so bad for Agnes and this guy

[@sailorr]

ok so I get that Agnes is probably one of the avatars (?).....but she's really sweet 🥺🥺 (i mean to be fair.......i would also date an inhuman fire lady but like.......... *waves hands dismissively*)

[@clayxros576]

They really need more of our kind in their world it seems like. Those who are fully able to process the entities and domains, while also being able to tolerate the side effects those patrons give their marked.

[@jackbelmont4389]

*adventure time reference*

[@Harleymotor]

Oh no this story was actually sad; I really feel for this wayward romance. Agnes didn't seem like a bad person, I think she liked Jack in some way and I don't think she meant to hurt him the way she did. And Jack himself doesn't seem to hate her despite losing everything... aw.

[@zeynep0910]

it took him over a year to ask her name?? slowburn indeed

[@julesking1303]

slow burn coffee shop AU #doomedbythenarrative

[@lilalino]

omg slowBURN lmao

[@TempestRequiem0]

How did it end up like this? It was only a kiss, it was only a kiss...

[@Nizati]

It's kinda interesting how something can be sad and sweet and scary all at the same time.

[@fruitygarlic3601]

First MAG to bring me to tears. This podcast makes me sad more than it scares me.

[@fioremuzzicato9527]

*Regarding a short-lived courtship..* Me: mhmm *...with Agnes Montegue* Me: SAY WHAT NOW

[@evagrev7351]

My theory from this episode and what we know so far: Agnes is part of the lightless flame, that we already knew. The war between the spiders entity and the lightless flame entity is also once again confirmed here. I find it odd that the witness didn't wonder how Agnes knew where he lived.. and also, the "web that was in the corner that morning", I think it wasn't just any web but the spiders entity trying to maybe approach the witness once they say/learned that he was going to have some kind of relationship with Agnes? And that's why the web got burned once Agnes went there, 'cause she wants to be careful and protect herself for any signs of the spiders. She definitely had made a spell or ritual connecting her to the tree and it's state, that's why she always had tied on her waist the hand. From her saying she was adopted and her talk about "destiny", I believe that the lightless flame cult took her when she was little (who knows what they actually did to her family) and trained her for her "big destiny" that was something to do with the entity they worship. Since she couldn't fully control her powers, I believe her destiny was to become a "host" of that entity? It is obvious though that she is very different from the cult members, she seems to be more like Michael from the spiral entity; human-appearing but in reality not that much human after all, though at some point both of them probably were. Her being a small child in the Hilltop house while she has been the same all those years afterwards make me thing that she originally was indeed a human, who was trained and given some powers from an early age (where she also had fun with her being given all those powers), her being let to fully grow and mature so that her body would be that of an adult (probably because that way she would be able to hold alot more power than if she was to be remained a child forever) and then done something to her body (as I said before, a ritual or spell) to make her not age from that point forward. When that woman with the tattoo came to find her in the cafe, I believe it was about the Hilltop house or even the lightless flame entity itself. Since Agnes was linked with the tree/the house and also linked with the fire entity (which is why she doesn't have full control of its powers), the "released" key-word was related to one of them. I think Agnes was tired of it all. She lived long enough to come to a realization that she is no longer that excited or eager about all that power and the responsibility that comes with it. She wanted some normality in her life, and that cafe was giving it to her. She didn't need to eat or drink, which is highly implied by her not touching any of the food or drinks given to her through out the statement, so I'm assuming that the black coffee with more for milk was something that was part of her normal life before she became something that didn't need to eat or drink; maybe what she was drinking herself before the change or something that one of her parents or a close person to her was drinking. Our witness was also someone who was giving her the sense of normality. All the walks in the park, all the dates, she wasn't doing them because she "felt" of doing them, she was doing them because that's what she thought she would feel like doing if she was a normal person. For example, it wasn't the movie itself but the act of going for a movie that she was interested in. The end of this story is a tragic one. Mostly because the witness wasn't hurt because he was punished or toyed with, he was hurt because that's what happens to anything and anyone who comes close to Agnes, even if she doesn't want to. She was given alot of power, but with that also came alot of sacrifices, one of them being the normality in her life, the other being she could no longer touch or feel the touch of another person without hurting them. I can't imagine how she might have felt when she saw how much her kiss was hurting the witness, not that much because of the witness itself being hurt but because she can't do even that without doing damage to the person she's kissing. As for the cult members, the tattoo with the man in flames, I don't believe it's just a tattoo. We've already heard about another flame tattoo that, once a spell is casted and flame gets to it, it unleashes flames that burn everything, so the tattoos are mostly something "trapped" as a tattoo and can anytime be summoned. So the man in flames, I believe, is someone who was trapped in those flames eternally with a spell so that he's trapped as a tattoo and can only be brought back if the person who has the tattoo decides to.

[@ohdearroedeer4115]

Poor Agnes.. I know she’s spooky but I feel so bad for her

[@RoseMultiverse]

Are all of them just standing together like it’s some kind of funeral? 👀

[@Clarebear0925]

so the fire guys REALLY hate the spider guys huh. I guess that kinda makes sense since all the spider entities seem to be connected to control and fire isn’t really controllable (or doesn’t like to be controlled) like, the vampyres, Raymond, etc Edit: also weirdly enough also the pestilence/insect related ones as well?

[@flynland7366]

If Angus is burning every web away, not eating her Italian food. I would date her and her Italian food !

[@flynland7366]

Okay ...I wrote that before the burning face scene ! But I had never a good taste for woman ! 😅

[@Not_Lilly42]

I honestly wish she was still alive because she's against spiders, and there seems to be a spider theme this season.

[@nanahuatli2144]

@@Not_Lilly42 I'd totally have thrown her at Jane Prentiss too if possible. I have a strong distaste for worms.

[@ksimvanderhlaar]

@@Not_Lilly42 Maybe... maybe we'll see her once more. I have a hunch.

[@jaderush4141]

I was listening pretty blankly with only a thought of "fire? overarching. nice" When she mentioned the tree, I audibly gasped. "I... I don't actually?.." Oh, Jon. My little baby Jon. So precious.

[@hannahcartwright8190]

Hearing Jonny say the word desire made me SO uncomfortable lol

[@HelloThere-.-]

Holy moly - only now I realized that Agnes kiss on Ronald's cheek broke whatever weird curse Raymond Fielding held over those kiddos and let the poor boy escape spiders web! This whole time I thought Agnes was the one to "mark" him to be taken to the basement!! Oh damn I misinterpreted this story so so badly

[@lalaliet]

Auburn hair... Striking eyes... *JOLENE?*

[@InsainCat]

this is so freaken cute

[@entropyzero5588]

The wheel of phobias to cover by TMA spins and lands on... Manic Pixie Dream Girl?

[@breadisarting4044]

This whole romance seems like the set up to a banger manga

[@Badficwriter]

It has strong "this romance is going to take forever" energy. All it is Agnes being terminally embarrassed.

[@mxxnlight111]

elias and jons voice sound so similar its difficult to tell who's speaking sometimes.

[@Nizati]

hehehehehe........

[@fruitygarlic3601]

Many reoccurring characters sound similar. Took me way too long to realise Sasha and Not-Sasha had different VAs, and were not the same person doing different inflections.

[@mimkyodar]

The funny thing is that Elias' VA based his performance on Johnny's performance.

[@melissaharris3389]

⚠️spoiler: Their mirrors of each other. Even their names: Jonathan and Jonah are similar.

[@TIGGYQUE]

Halfway through I realized WHO Agnes was and I was like WOWOOWOWOAAAAW

[@fauxclaws]

I know agnes was a little girl in recluse but I don't remember if she appeared before that? I keep losing track of names.

[@hamstrbaxtr]

​@@fauxclawsmentioned in "Burned Out" as living on hilltop road as a child with Raymond Fielding, staring out the window all the time

[@alexanderasher8037]

"You know how hard it would be to replace you" that takes on a whole new meaning after episode 160

[@fauxclaws]

knowing what happens to agnes later in her life after this makes the whole thing so much more tragic. but despite that I still find this statement sweet. I came back to listen to it after finishing the series

[@fudgepudge2067]

"she was a short asian woman" DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LITTLE THAT NARROWS THAT DOWN

[@4lonzo]

This gives me strong "jokes on you, I fuck monsters" vibes. (That's a facebook tag group btw)

[@teaandcookies9662]

YEESSSS I TOTALLY CALLED IT I knew that the cult was called the Cult of The Lightless Flame! Totally proud of myself for predicting that 👏

[@ButterflyColors]

Really brings a whole new meaning to being *attracted to danger*

[@ethanmunden178]

I can’t help but wonder if the suing over coffee thing was a reference to that one time McDonald’s made their coffee too hot and someone threatened to sue

[@ethanmunden178]

I DK if it was actually McDonald’s I think it was

[@69_pigeons_in_a_trenchcoat]

The woman did not threaten to sue; she actually did sue (and rightfully so, might I add)

[@hahabonk9207]

me chillin "Agnes-" Me, immediately doing a 180: AGNES???

[@illirei]

5:10 just a note for future reference, in England we say solicitor not lawyer

[@Dragon4sale]

I like to think that Elias was the one who turned off the tape recorder at the end there. XD

[@ambers.2067]

Does no one understand KNOCKING when entering a closed room? Is the institute really that lacking in manners? 😂

[@generalgozdzikov7343]

poor man thought he was in a coffeeshop AU, slow burn (pun intended), hurt/comfort, romance 20k words ao3 fanfic instead of a horror podcast

[@nemnyoom]

statement of jack barnabas, regarding a really hot lady

[@witch_in_a_wheelchair3050]

Ever since Agnes M. Was introduced, I've been curious about how "M.-Agnes" seems a bit too coincidental.

[@0zomi833]

Spoilers: Could it be that Agnes burned the spider in the corner so that she was free of the influence of the web? She was after all raised to complete the desolation ritual and the person responsible was Raymond Fielding. So maybe she burned the spider to be not under the Webs influence/observation to live the few moments as a genuine human being?

[@00Noir]

What a sad one! Interesting that she burned him. I think she kissed the other Hilltop refugee on the cheek when he left and it didn't do anything. So between then and here she got fire...powers? Fire curse?

[@TheNitpickChick]

I think over the years she just got more powerful. She’s always been connected with fire. When she kissed the boy in Hilltop Road on the cheek, it didn’t burn him immediately, but there was a small, delayed burn. The pain from the burn snapped him out of Raymond’s spider mind-control. And she ended up setting the Hilltop Road house on fire. Her abilities just got stronger as she grew up. :)

[@alessiapalma8823]

@@TheNitpickChick can you remember me which episode the kiss was in? My memory is so bad lmao can’t remember at all

[@TheNitpickChick]

@@alessiapalma8823 No problem. The cheek kiss was in Episode 59: Recluse. 🙂

[@wonderwhatsgonnahappen579]

I feel bad for Agnes. Hope we get to atleast see more of her. I know she's dead but still... i like her character.

[@KeKe-bv8qv]

Jon, I don't think that was the compliment you thought it was. Pretty sure Elias can't fire you just as much as you can't fire Tim.

[@hoperuiz3581]

I don't know if someone has pointed this out but I just noticed Agnes sounds like the word ignis which means fire (I think it was Latin?) idk I just feel like pointing it out maybe for future reference

[@mjamin9124]

YO

[@lealeapants9011]

Because of the coffee cup burning the dude at the beginning, I'm inclined to believe that Agnes or at least this cult has something to do with the one ritual area in the forest episode. The man messed with his bottle of water that was boiling water and burned him the same way before he accidentally broke the bottle and everything he loved ended up burning up in flames. It probably has nothing to do with this specific episode, but the drink brings that back to me EDIT: finished the episode, Jon says exactly that. Nvm I'm not slick lmao

[@hamburgerdog25]

Something about Agnes is just intriguing. I don't quite know why, maybe its because of Jack's perception of her, but I picture her in a way that she is beauty. That she is lovely on her own level. I always pictured her in daylight, smiling sweetly, and sad when she went away. But sad in a way that she knew where she was going, and she isn't sad because she's going there, but sad that she never did it sooner. Because if she had, she never would have met Jack, and she'd never have to go after that. I don't think she regret leaving Jack behind. I do believe she wanted to stay.

[@FalseLemons]

12:04 Hill top treeee form S1 ep 8: Burned out, ep 19: Confession, ep 37: Burnt offering, ep 59: Recluse

[@cursedpufferfish3988]

most people think of fight or flight. some people tag on 'freeze'. this guy adds 'fuck!' absolute king. i wonder what "micheal" would think if someone flirted with him

[@lilalino]

michael if he could see what the internet says about him: O.O

[@ChlorineToast]

Everyone else: pog Me: MONTAGUE? ROMEO AND JULIET REFERENCE

[@mimkyodar]

Your mystery comment for the day Desolation

[@calebdouglas2512]

Indeed. A fellow post-160. Always a pleasure. The Stranger sends their regards

[@JAPelicano1]

This one just broke my heart. That poor man.

[@itsiz9738]

"A bottle of red, a bottle of white, whatever kind of mood you're in tonight."

[@amaliahorlescu3636]

Se stand a baby that just wantend to get on a date and have a normal life,,,,,

[@CalderoHechicero29]

I loved this one!!

[@MisterListenstoomuch]

Beautiful and sad and frightening, hell Also....is....was....are there like...avatars of the big entities like The Vast or The End? Is that what she was but for The Scorched as im placeholder calling it? Was Jane Prentiss one for the Hive perhaps? Is Jared one for the Meat/Flesh? Am I even right in these particular disparate beings or is it really one huge being like the Entity from Dead by Daylight that feeds off fear and hope? I guess ill have to keep listening and making notes