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Flavio Briatore, is now a man banned from F1 for life. He was part of winning 7 World Titles in total and one of the most charismatic characters in F1 history.
This is his story of dealings with the Mafia, financial fraud, plenty of cheating and international disgrace.
A young Briatore, born in rural Italy in 1950, didn’t inspire hope for his infamous future. He dropped out of multiple public schools before enrolling in private school. He didn't fare much better there, receiving the lowest grade in his year.
I'm William Toet, I worked with Flavio Briatore at the Bennetton team…I worked there from 85 until 95…I started my first job there, honestly was as a model maker I wanted to get my toe in the door was then promoted to senior wind tunnel engineer and then head of aerodynamics.
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@Reaz399
@Reaz399 Жыл бұрын
The cheeky explanation of the “traction control“ got me, F1 engineers are simply insane.
@niklnik1008
@niklnik1008 Жыл бұрын
the way he just raised his eyebrows when he said "to protect the engine" absolute gold
@ashkandi1337
@ashkandi1337 Жыл бұрын
That was absolutely genious
@grempal
@grempal Жыл бұрын
That eyebrow raise at the end makes me think it was his idea and he's still proud of it decades later, for good reason.
@Reaz399
@Reaz399 Жыл бұрын
@@grempal Well he certainly was involved in it I guess and I completely understand why he is so proud about it. Pretty big loophole that Bennetton managed to exploit here.
@flintstone1409
@flintstone1409 Жыл бұрын
Thats really what I love about F1 engineering, the explanations how they do illegal things a legal way
@TobiasSmullet
@TobiasSmullet Жыл бұрын
My dad did some work at the Benneton wind tunnels when they were built in the 90s. Apparently Flavio insisted that all the fire extinguishers be replaced because he didn't want any 'Ferrari red' in his building!
@BOABModels
@BOABModels Жыл бұрын
🤦🏻
@noobpyxl
@noobpyxl Жыл бұрын
So when a person brings a red velvet cake for flavio's birthday and teh the cake goes splat
@stupidhead9117
@stupidhead9117 Жыл бұрын
@@noobpyxl eh?
@martinoberngruber1893
@martinoberngruber1893 Жыл бұрын
Hopelessly insane
@mrbungle3310
@mrbungle3310 Жыл бұрын
Dedication
@kelly2631
@kelly2631 Жыл бұрын
Flavio really went full corporate mode in a sport full of engineers
@Anankin12
@Anankin12 Жыл бұрын
One of the reasons everyone in Italy hates him, even if basically no one knows about this
@davidelliott5843
@davidelliott5843 Жыл бұрын
Engineers can cheat without actually cheating but 99% are too straight-laced to consider the idea.
@altruismfirst6489
@altruismfirst6489 Жыл бұрын
not really he went full Napoleon Genius to find loop holes and do things in a creative way no other considered. He is a real rebel and Bad ass of the corporate world.
@pykamirulol
@pykamirulol Жыл бұрын
@@gardenwarrior77 Not correcting you here, but you say real life Vince McMahon like Vince isn't a corporate POS in real life too 😂
@LiftandCoa
@LiftandCoa Ай бұрын
Briatore is the most italian business man italy has ever seen. Just match the CV of Briatore and Arrivabene, they sound almost identical.@@Anankin12
@adambennet8398
@adambennet8398 Жыл бұрын
Briatore had an interview a few years ago, where he stated that he felt he had no choice but to cheat in 2008 in order to stop Fernando leaving the team. There was a clause in his contract that meant he could leave the team (for Ferrari as that’s what was circulating on the rumour mill) should he not win a race in 2008. Time was running out, and Singapore was a new race, so much easier to disguise an intentional crash. Behold, crashgate. Just irony that Alonso won completely fairly in Fuji 2 weeks later 😂
@mick8473
@mick8473 Жыл бұрын
There was a second safety car at Singapore but the faster cars (Hamilton in one) couldn't catch him.
@johnwebster3001
@johnwebster3001 Жыл бұрын
And ruined a young man’s career🤦🏼‍♂️
@charlesfaure1189
@charlesfaure1189 Жыл бұрын
"I had no choice to cheat if I was going to get what I wanted." Ah, sociopathy.
@ahmettarkkaya2915
@ahmettarkkaya2915 Жыл бұрын
Can you point to the interview? Cause, as far as I know, he never accepted being involved in the Crashgate
@Games_and_Music
@Games_and_Music Жыл бұрын
@@user-cw2nl8jr7h Why would you hate the game if it's the players that cheat? That argument never made sense to me, speaking of logic.
@MrReese
@MrReese Жыл бұрын
I did not know Piquet literally practiced the crash...unbelievable :D.
@nutsackmania
@nutsackmania Жыл бұрын
those two are peas in a pod
@juancete0107
@juancete0107 Жыл бұрын
Me neither 💀
@pipotron1637
@pipotron1637 Жыл бұрын
A comedians familly. His sister is currently faking a relationship with Verstapen.
@bonifacelukosi9580
@bonifacelukosi9580 Жыл бұрын
@@pipotron1637 And the dad has lost the plot.
@gabrieloliveirasantos3226
@gabrieloliveirasantos3226 Жыл бұрын
As a Brazilian I say, Family Pique has dubious ethics
@karlj1717
@karlj1717 Жыл бұрын
I love the loop holes the teams manage to find, just shows how clever the engineers are.
@brianvogt8125
@brianvogt8125 Жыл бұрын
A loophole is an opportunity to invent new technology. Let's see what else we can use that technology or mode of thinking for.
@cobar5342
@cobar5342 Жыл бұрын
'Every team cheats' is an old adage - pretty true in my observations
@denisjovanovic7781
@denisjovanovic7781 Жыл бұрын
How about the loop holes that haven't been discovered? The ones you never hear about? They're the ones that are clever.
@Games_and_Music
@Games_and_Music Жыл бұрын
Yeah, initially i'd like every team to stick to the rules, to the law. But, then he goes on about the spirit of the sport, that it lacks spirit nowadays, which sounds like a good point. Although, i have to say, there have been plenty of cases in the recent years where the rules and its interpretations have differed from each other, so i do think that there's still "spirit" in the sports, to much chagrin of many fans out there, including me sometimes. For example the budget cap, or the flexible wings, or Ferrari's fuel flow thing, although some of those are just flat out cheating. But a lot of the cases where they cheated were also not specifically innovative, removing a filter from a hose, "blind" traction control, race fixing etc., those didn't quite bring any breakthrough technologies with them, so i can't quite side with commenters here saying that the loop holes are likely to bring innovative technology, but rather innovative ways of avoiding the "real" rules. But, somewhere, in a way, it is kinda endearing to see them try so hard for a win, that they overdo it and cheat, or... get very spirited. Even though i am against it, and it should be punished, but that picture of Flavio and Alonso together at the end (23:00) just kinda put a smirk on my face, dirty rascals, haha. Formula 1 has always had this dubious air of questionability around it, Flavio might be the personification of that.
@koitorob
@koitorob 9 күн бұрын
Yes, and Mr Newey is good at that which is why The Thai who owns 51% of Red Bull should be kicking out Whinger Spice to keep him!
@bertram-raven
@bertram-raven Жыл бұрын
I met Briatore in Indianapolis at the hotel where most of the teams were staying during the weekend of the infamous 2005 Grand Prix. As you say he is a very charismatic character. You may even say he is a prime example of why some people are able to pull success out of the air through nothing but charisma. On the same night, after qualifying, I saw an obviously very drunk Kimi Räikkönen staggering through the hotel lobby with a minder doing his best to keep Kimi going in a straight line. This was the point when for me it was confirmed the race was going to be a bit odd.
@jameschang5375
@jameschang5375 Жыл бұрын
When even Kimi gets so drunk it makes ppl feel off, yeah something's definitely going on.
@Martinec1998
@Martinec1998 Жыл бұрын
@@jameschang5375 in his book Kimi even admitted that he had a hangover during practice in 2007/8.
@deezhole
@deezhole Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this story. I found it interesting. 👍🏻
@googlreviews7813
@googlreviews7813 Жыл бұрын
​@@jameschang5375 Not really, itvwas well documented that he was an alcoholic and had serious addiction issues. His personality was partially derived from alcohol abuse.
@jameschang5375
@jameschang5375 Жыл бұрын
@@googlreviews7813 I was meaning if even that Kimi, the drinking monster Kimi, gets so wasted before a race it makes ppl feel unnatural……lol
@danesebruno
@danesebruno Жыл бұрын
Please do a full interview with that guy who talked about the traction control. He is extremely knowledgeable and explained it very clearly while still being technical
@pxl4603
@pxl4603 Жыл бұрын
this was a brilliant vid... piquet's precision in his practice for the crash is insane just shows how skilled f1 drivers are.
@ALPHABYTE64
@ALPHABYTE64 Жыл бұрын
Yea
@sk4tec
@sk4tec Жыл бұрын
It really tanked his career though. I felt it was a career suicide in motorsport
@philipjamesparsons
@philipjamesparsons Жыл бұрын
Pat Symonds, said it was Piquet Jr, who suggested the idea to save his career. Flav, liked the plan and Pat, made the mistake of going along with it. I wonder why Flav, fired Piquet, though, should have kept him to buy his silence. He was quite good.
@mchalo188
@mchalo188 Жыл бұрын
you'd be surprised how often this happens even today
@03056932
@03056932 Жыл бұрын
@@mchalo188 I think most seasoned fans know exactly what red bull did in Abu Dhabi
@Jabberstax
@Jabberstax 6 ай бұрын
I miss the F1 of the 80s and 90s. It's was far more fun and wild than today's tournament.
@sadsismint
@sadsismint Жыл бұрын
The interview with Willem Toet was brilliant, more of him please!
@ticoss
@ticoss Жыл бұрын
Great video. About the last part of the video: Briatore is still in formula one: he's an advisor for the commercial parts of F1 and still work for F1 commodities, organization of parties, celebrations etc. Never forget that the Singapore crash was not organized alone: Pat Symonds was involved, and obviously is still here too...
@Thiago100Zwetsch
@Thiago100Zwetsch Жыл бұрын
Also was Fernando Alonso and he's still beloved by half of the world.
@ticoss
@ticoss Жыл бұрын
@@Thiago100Zwetsch You are right. For me there's a simple explanation: they are exceptional people, despite all their faults, otherwise they would really not be here anymore
@DaFinkingOrk
@DaFinkingOrk Жыл бұрын
@@ticoss Fernando is so well liked partly because we all love the cheeky bad-but-not-too-bad guy since a bit of controversy and drama is entertaining. As long as it doesn't go too far and ruin the fun of course, and that's what he represents I think.
@ticoss
@ticoss Жыл бұрын
​@@DaFinkingOrk I'm ok with You. Alonso is for me like an F1 God. He has an incredible talent, and he still performs "like a Lion". But he is also detestable sometimes, breaks the atmosphere in all the teams in which he worked etc. His bank account is well-filled, but because of his character, I think he missed some world championship titles.
@Astronurd
@Astronurd Жыл бұрын
@@ticoss I personally think he’s a moaning little w4nker
@user-zt4kz8rx8k
@user-zt4kz8rx8k Жыл бұрын
you should invite Sir Willem Toet to contribute to videos again and again,I can listen him for hours :) I wish he was my teacher at school
@flintstone1409
@flintstone1409 Жыл бұрын
I think I never watch some part of any video that carefully. Great story, and I'm sure he has some more amazing things to tell!
@joeofoysterbay7197
@joeofoysterbay7197 Жыл бұрын
How is there not a Flavio movie? More of this for sure! Good stuff. Thanks!
@ighsaanlenders942
@ighsaanlenders942 Жыл бұрын
Coming to Netflix soon 🤣🤣🤣
@gherbo1609
@gherbo1609 Жыл бұрын
he would sue. i would love to see that though, hes created so many legends 14
@Retr0_Blues
@Retr0_Blues Жыл бұрын
exhausted medium
@pablofernandez2335
@pablofernandez2335 Жыл бұрын
Imagine if Drive To Survive started back in 2005 just after Ferrari's dominance and the beginning of Briatore and Alonso's adventures
@ereder1476
@ereder1476 Жыл бұрын
they should make a "Prost vs Senna" movie
@blxtothis
@blxtothis Жыл бұрын
I always thought this geezer was well dodgy but his history made him a perfect fit in Formula One, a world in which criminals, liars, cheats and ne’er-do-wells seem to blend in amongst the dedicated and hard working majority.
@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan
@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan Жыл бұрын
Van Rossem Onyx-Moneytron comes to mind. Guy was billionaire, but Moneytron was a Ponzi scheme. He conned rich idiots (he picked out those who didn't earn anything, but were rich through inheritance) out of their fortunes by telling he had invented a computer-algorithm that could predict the stock exchange. Then he bought aa F1 team because he liked playing with fast cars. When the gig was up, he threw a bunch of money into politics to get a seat in parlement and thus get immunity. When he failed to relected it was jailtime though. But most of the money was "gone" by then.
@oldmanc2
@oldmanc2 Жыл бұрын
Good post. F1 Engineers are totally professional- I've met a few and I was struck by their dedication
@bingybingy2592
@bingybingy2592 Жыл бұрын
@@oldmanc2 But, no loyalty
@c3bam1
@c3bam1 Жыл бұрын
Karen Horner where are you??
@davidrice3337
@davidrice3337 Жыл бұрын
sounds like the Dems and the Republicans -
@roadrunner6224
@roadrunner6224 Жыл бұрын
The thing that Flavio is most likely behind the Piastri mess makes his story even greater.
@DaFinkingOrk
@DaFinkingOrk Жыл бұрын
It's hilarious how the usual suspects Flavio and Alonso are involved in that too.
@shitoryu8
@shitoryu8 Жыл бұрын
Lmao
@sairamr6886
@sairamr6886 Жыл бұрын
What the.. Flavio didn't even leave our this modern gen F1
@crazycjk
@crazycjk Жыл бұрын
And don't forget that Mark Webber is Piastri's manager, and he used to be managed by Briatore as well as being good friends with Fernando!
@mick8473
@mick8473 Жыл бұрын
Dont forget Prost who was treated badly by Alpine, could have been pulling the main strings,
@sparqqling
@sparqqling Жыл бұрын
This one is great with Toet. There is also a story from Kees van der Grint (Bridgestone at Ferrari during the MS days) where they triggered launch control based on the false start detection loops in the tarmac. Those loops in the tarmac measured the movement of the cars to detect a false start. The engineers figured out the signal on the loops was switched off when the light turned green, so they picked that up and launched the car.
@Keep6ix360
@Keep6ix360 Жыл бұрын
brilliant
@Mohammed-qp7xw
@Mohammed-qp7xw Жыл бұрын
*Banned for life* Currently Fernando’s manager and regularly attend F1 races. Also hanging out F1 boss.
@hjorte.
@hjorte. Жыл бұрын
🤣
@Aggnog
@Aggnog Жыл бұрын
Say you didn't watch the video without saying it.
@lllTonilll
@lllTonilll Жыл бұрын
@@Aggnog Hes just pointing out how misleading the videotitle is
@Thiago100Zwetsch
@Thiago100Zwetsch Жыл бұрын
@@lllTonilll I was about to say the same as the clickbait suggests that Briatore is banned for good, which is not, BTW!
@Aggnog
@Aggnog Жыл бұрын
@@lllTonilll Its not misleading, if someone gets a life sentence in prison then gets released afterwards he still got a life sentence.
@Reachrahulrambo
@Reachrahulrambo Жыл бұрын
Please keep making these in depth videos! I was 12 when I first started watching F1 in 2004, I remember how Alonso and Flavio used to celebrate victories. I didn't understand most of what happened back then. Your video has made me revisit those memories but this time I could comprehend what had happened back then ❤️
@samsonojeagbase9980
@samsonojeagbase9980 Жыл бұрын
I started watching f1 because of Alonso in 2005 and I relate with the celebrations too . . . I hope you are doing great!
@Kawabongahlive
@Kawabongahlive Жыл бұрын
This must be the best video Driver61 has ever uploaded.
@Willjam
@Willjam Жыл бұрын
And at the same time, a very sad one. I remember over 20 years ago hearing how Briatore effectively killed Senna, by cheating and forcing Williams to push beyond the limit to try and catch up. I understand much better exactly how they achieved this now. Obviously an accident is an accident, but looking back, it's fair to say that if Benetton hadn't had traction control, Senna would be alive today.
@tesfahunkebede208
@tesfahunkebede208 Жыл бұрын
We need longer video formats like this ❤
@sullybiker6520
@sullybiker6520 Жыл бұрын
I read Toet's description of their Traction loophole on his LinkedIn essay. It's not actually traction control though. It's more like 3D throttle mapping, which a few years later they were all doing (supposedly Ferrari were using this at Magny Cours in 1997, or I should say were first accused of doing something analogous to TC). It does not use wheel speed as an input, and relies on being able to build an accurate model of traction. Red Bull got into hot water for exotic maps around the end of the EBD era. So this isn't unusual....
@VincentParisien
@VincentParisien Жыл бұрын
I've been a pit marshal for many years for the Montreal F1 and I remember asking Flavio to put out his cigarette on pit wall... I did not have much success and looking at his life "achievements", I assume there would have been little I could have done to make him follow this "simple" rule. The partying through the night with the Benetton mechanics "on their tab" was a found memory of those times gone.
@2Fast4Mellow
@2Fast4Mellow Жыл бұрын
You could have given him a Gatorade shower or empty your fire extinguisher in his citing the safety hazard ;-)
@dipling.pitzler7650
@dipling.pitzler7650 Жыл бұрын
I salute you for not being intimidated by an arrogant king, which very well goes with the bold history of French people!
@alexgasparini4548
@alexgasparini4548 Жыл бұрын
@@dipling.pitzler7650 but he is italian xD
@alexgasparini4548
@alexgasparini4548 Жыл бұрын
@Peter Angles ???? He is Italian and that is a fact XD. I am Italian and this is an Italian name, even more ancient than most common names, you can track this name back to ancient Rome, for instance the Colosseum real name is: amphitheatrum Flavium literally anfiteatro Flavio and Flavium was a name used even by Roman emperators. Maybe it could be sound french to you, but for me as an Italian it sounds very Italian, Flavio is really similar to other Italian names like, Carlo, Claudio, Matteo, Paolo. I guess its the ending O that tricks you into thinking it sounds french. The surname Briatore doesn't sounds french to me tbh. Funny enough my surname sounds more french than Briatore, but i can assure you it is very Italian.
@MentalParadox
@MentalParadox Жыл бұрын
@Peter Angles ...what? That's not a French name
@MrReniks
@MrReniks Жыл бұрын
wow,just just love to hear more under the sheet stories about team backgrounds. I know your channels is more about technical and driving explanations but this episode was an epic history lesson about F1 paddock history!
@CptChaosNL1984
@CptChaosNL1984 Жыл бұрын
A video about the more recent Ferrari engine debacle would be amazing too. Altough we never know the outcome of the verdict from the FIA.
@xSilverScreenx
@xSilverScreenx Жыл бұрын
I remember seeing him on tv but never understood why he left. I was too young to understand, glad you made this video.
@MustafaKhan-hz5mr
@MustafaKhan-hz5mr Жыл бұрын
that traction control mechanism was absolutely genius
@MichaelWegrzyniak
@MichaelWegrzyniak Жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting this together. This was a fantastic retrospective of Flavio and I was enthralled from start to finish. Looking for to the next video in this series.
@realnutteruk1
@realnutteruk1 Жыл бұрын
I remember the "Ignited Colours of Benetton" headlines when Jos's car went up... so scary!
@Redskies453
@Redskies453 Жыл бұрын
Ha! Haven't heard that one.
@JOKBO1
@JOKBO1 Жыл бұрын
Loved the video! Keep making these please. As a new F1 fan(yes, yes, DTS got me here) diving deep into the history and technology of F1 has been awesome.
@rupertpupkin9630
@rupertpupkin9630 Жыл бұрын
Had heard the explanation for this form of traction control years back, it isn't necessarily new insight. It was genius sure... But Benetton were clearly pushing the limits (overstepping them sometimes?) on many things. This is a great video, well done! Flavio was and is a true character, a true hustler and very charismatic. He had a real talent for the commercial side of F1 and many other business interests. Hopefully you continue with such in depth videos. Another I'd love to hear more about from that era is the BAR project/team involving Craig Pollock, Adrian Reynard and Jacques Villeneuve. I feel there is so much to that story that we know little about. The fact that it eventually turned into Mercedes - with the same base/factory and even people from the early BAR days - is quite the journey. Keep up the good work!
@banmadabon
@banmadabon Жыл бұрын
He was a fugitive criminal... He was in charge from the mafia to bring in rich chickens in their casinos where they were plucked. Obviously cheating... The poster boy of Italian bad stereotypes...
@cracklecracklebaybay5612
@cracklecracklebaybay5612 Жыл бұрын
If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'. I appreciate the findings of gray areas of rules.
@crimcrusader8459
@crimcrusader8459 Жыл бұрын
Meaning that Flavio himself pretty much had done what Smokey Yunick did in NASCAR, right?
@cracklecracklebaybay5612
@cracklecracklebaybay5612 Жыл бұрын
@@crimcrusader8459 No joke, I almost said something about Smokey Yunick or Ray Evernham in my comment. 😆 So, you got EXACTLY what I was going for. 👍
@alexsaucedo4930
@alexsaucedo4930 Жыл бұрын
I love these longer format F1 history stories.
@jesseemullen
@jesseemullen Жыл бұрын
Not only is Willem Toet a genius, but he seems like a really nice guy too. I appreciate all of his insights into the world of F1 technology.
@VipulKrishna25
@VipulKrishna25 Жыл бұрын
Make more of these videos man. I enjoyed watching and learnt a bit today.
@henrybecquerelryuichinakan960
@henrybecquerelryuichinakan960 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, this is top 3 videos of F1 stories I've ever seen. Huge congrats for that high quality research and information!!!
@BarbaricAvatar
@BarbaricAvatar Жыл бұрын
I've never before seen the footage of Piquet practicing the spin on the warm-up lap. Great find!
@adamkhan5274
@adamkhan5274 Жыл бұрын
He was my manager and team boss in 2008/9. Top bloke. He would have done anything to win. He knew the responsability he had not just to himself but all the employees. Crashgate was not about Fernando but about ING our primary sponsor at the time. There was a clause if we won that would trigger a clause meaning they would have to continue the following season. He was trying to protect the team and everyones jobs. He was a good boss. Tough but fair.
@Samura1gamer
@Samura1gamer Жыл бұрын
all you wrote sums up to : he did it for the money 'tough but fair' is the most unfair thing to say for someone who cheats
@arkay5004
@arkay5004 Жыл бұрын
Why'd you leave racing mate?
@Connacht89
@Connacht89 Жыл бұрын
Wait, cheating (and putting a driver's life at risk with a staged crash) is, in your opinion, "tough but fair", then?
@angrydoggy9170
@angrydoggy9170 Жыл бұрын
So cheating is fair to you? I pity everyone in your live.
@ninab.4540
@ninab.4540 Ай бұрын
Wow, people really would do anything for money and fame.
@tiagodumont4422
@tiagodumont4422 Жыл бұрын
I really wish I was born with a conscience like this man and not care for anyone or any consequences in the pursuit of getting what I want. I truly wish I did.
@Jesus_Iced
@Jesus_Iced Жыл бұрын
But you were born as a good dude instead
@laloaguirre9847
@laloaguirre9847 Жыл бұрын
You also need balls and the genius this guy has
@TheoDinu
@TheoDinu Жыл бұрын
No need to, rejoice that you're a decent human being, and not a scum of the Earth.
@duomaxwell5807
@duomaxwell5807 Жыл бұрын
That's how the rich got rich
@marconius101
@marconius101 Жыл бұрын
@@Jesus_Iced I bet Flavio would say the same....
@Ironiron.
@Ironiron. Жыл бұрын
This video is easily best so far I've seen So chaotic with his story every bit loved it. Def would love to see more
@MarSAttK
@MarSAttK Жыл бұрын
One of your best videos so far. Great watch!
@xXPAKSLAYERXx
@xXPAKSLAYERXx Жыл бұрын
Piquet's crash practice was smooth tho. The finest driving he's ever performed.
@RC404
@RC404 Жыл бұрын
Where there is controversy there is always Alonso's name somewhere in the mix😂😂
@Alexander27463
@Alexander27463 Жыл бұрын
Wow, the traction control loophole is so extremely clever. Just wow
@ivicamajmunskikreten9714
@ivicamajmunskikreten9714 Жыл бұрын
yes clever, but nothing exceptionally special. take a look at group b engineering workarounds.
@Jamo_7811
@Jamo_7811 3 ай бұрын
⁠@@ivicamajmunskikreten9714There was some great engineering in Group B, such as 4WD, engine placement, weight distribution and various forced induction systems. However I have never heard about the loopholes exploited. Can you explain some or direct me to where I can find it?
@k-panga
@k-panga Жыл бұрын
Amazing video, please concider making more of this long format videos!
@robtilborghs1909
@robtilborghs1909 Жыл бұрын
Love the story about Benneton and Flavio Briatory. 👍🏼 Good job Driver61
@MaximusOwen1
@MaximusOwen1 Жыл бұрын
From what I’ve read about Tom Walkinshaw, it sounds like he was the perfect foil for Briatore, and was the driving force in a lot of the 1994 shenanigans. If anyone has read Damon Hill’s book, he wasn’t a fan of his either!
@philipjamesparsons
@philipjamesparsons Жыл бұрын
Big Tom, had a reputation for being very creative in his cheating prior to F1. He was not the only one of course. I always remember Tom and Joan Villadelprat, arguing the toss with the stewards, on camera, when Schumi, got black flagged at Silverstone.
@mick8473
@mick8473 Жыл бұрын
@@philipjamesparsons Black flags are quite hard to argue!
@mattjagger4360
@mattjagger4360 Жыл бұрын
Oh man. The 80's and 90's ❤️ if only we could go back. Flavio was the F1 Wolf of Wall Street
@ninab.4540
@ninab.4540 Ай бұрын
He wishes.
@jkliao6486
@jkliao6486 Жыл бұрын
16:33 That is why it's only down to the FIA to write the rules so that teams have to adhere to the "spirit" of the regulation. If a team found a loophole, it's on FIA for not anticipating all circumstances and nobody should blame the team. Flexy wings, DAS system, rear wing end plate, you name it.
@emptiester
@emptiester 11 ай бұрын
It doesn't really work that way. Two things happen. You follow rhe rules. Its required to win. Second, you weaponize the rules against your opponent. "The map is not the terrain". Its implausible to regulate the spirit. Its just not.
@jkliao6486
@jkliao6486 11 ай бұрын
@@emptiester Well no, rules are written because there is an ideal scenario in the writer's mind, which we call the spirit of the rule. And it's up to the governing body to come up with the rules such that people adhering to the rules are acting like what they are supposed to. If there is no spirit in the first place, there is no point regulating at all. You just got it all wrong and thinking you can answer the egg and chicken question without the acknowledgement of cell.
@emptiester
@emptiester 11 ай бұрын
@@jkliao6486 okie dokie. Go ahead and write a rule that people cant subvert. What youll end up with is a system of arbitrary enforcement. It simply cannot exist the way youre idealizing it.
@borisgalos6967
@borisgalos6967 Жыл бұрын
Oddly, and I'm sure it must be coincidental, Ferrari had some "interesting" wins after bringing in the Benetton people.
@ExtraSqueaky
@ExtraSqueaky Жыл бұрын
Benneton's case of introducing traction control, that is no traction control in name, is no exception. All the F1 teams then and now are bending the rules as far as they can, and see if they can get away with it.
@JohnFromAccounting
@JohnFromAccounting Жыл бұрын
Flavio was just like Gordon Murray and Colin Chapman in the way that he would go out of his way to exploit the rules. He wasn't a designer, but he didn't need to be.
@JoshSweetvale
@JoshSweetvale 6 ай бұрын
The fact that F1 even has such obnoxious rules on cars is enough of a reason to cheat. Just let the engineers make the fastest car they. Infinite horsepower, fuel and downforce, no safety features.
@bloodyhell8201
@bloodyhell8201 Ай бұрын
​@@JoshSweetvaleeasy to say when youre not the one getting toasted in em like lauda You go drive a deathtrap in your own leisure time lmao
@JoshSweetvale
@JoshSweetvale Ай бұрын
@@bloodyhell8201 Oh I'm sorry, I thought we'd be watching _contests of skill,_ taking risks comes with the job.
@rarelycold6618
@rarelycold6618 Ай бұрын
​@@bloodyhell8201I doubt anyone held a gun to his head
@samc.6639
@samc.6639 Жыл бұрын
That was great Scott, definitely make more!
@SullivansTravels
@SullivansTravels Жыл бұрын
Terrific video, mate! Please make some more like this one, F1 history slaps
@chrisccc22
@chrisccc22 Жыл бұрын
We met him in a restaurant in 1995 in Montreal during the GP weekend. He sent us over a bottle of wine. We played him big time for it. Long story but very funny.
@goncalo33
@goncalo33 Жыл бұрын
What's the story?
@SlowSessions
@SlowSessions Жыл бұрын
Yeah, what's the story man?
@arride4590
@arride4590 Жыл бұрын
I met him in a bar and he payed me a bottle of beer. We talked all night.
@chrisccc22
@chrisccc22 Жыл бұрын
@@arride4590 Yes he's a good sport for sure.
@Timinime
@Timinime Жыл бұрын
Hold on, after years of speculation, Toet just confirmed that Schmacher / Benetton were using traction control (albeit he thinks there was a loophole). This feels like huge news.
@mosca3289
@mosca3289 Жыл бұрын
Right, I’ve heard that accusation many times in the past. This is first time I’ve heard an admission and methodology.
@sugarnads
@sugarnads Жыл бұрын
Its been known about for years. The fia ran a pretty thorough investigwtion at the time. They all should have been banned. Schumacher, all of them
@philspencelayh5464
@philspencelayh5464 Жыл бұрын
Schumacher was never bothered how he won, a bit of technical trickery would be nothing to someone happy to deliberately crash into people whilst being televised.
@estelombo
@estelombo Жыл бұрын
So.....was Schumachers team mate not also using traction control?? Who was his teammate 🤔
@Joysho
@Joysho Жыл бұрын
@@estelombo Jos verstappen. It is shown in the video. And it is speculated that only Michael's car had it. But maybe Jos had it too, he wasn't a really good driver anyway😂
@mathias16valentim
@mathias16valentim Жыл бұрын
i once got to meet nelson piquet jr and had a chat with him. i asked him about the whole incident and why he had accepted doing that. he told me "if i didnt accept it, bad things would happen" i think it was something like getting kicked out from his renault seat immediately after rejecting and no longer being able to go back to f1, which would be bad because that was one of his only opportunities of getting known at the motorsport scene
@satyris410
@satyris410 Жыл бұрын
I love this channel, Scott has clearly worked on his delivery and it shows, and the production it top notch. next stop 1m
@markifi
@markifi Жыл бұрын
Mr. Toet seems like an excellent interviewee
@KL50450
@KL50450 Жыл бұрын
Great video! And, I believe, the first that demonstrates the traction control issue in 1994. Flavio certainly added colour to F1 in the earlier days. However, it’s disappointing that FOM, considering the current focus on compliance all over the world, got this rascal back in the sport.
@speedmann194
@speedmann194 Жыл бұрын
No TC 94 Michaels teammates only scored 11 points altogether. If they did have it wouldn't it make more sense to have on weaker drivers cars chase the constructors? Further proof there was no electronics aid was first season with poor handling unreliable Ferrari f310 he beat benneton. Whilst his teammate was struggling to hold off Jordans. So did Ferrari have illegal software as-well? I think it's obvious Michael was the special software
@Lukeywoodsey
@Lukeywoodsey Жыл бұрын
Hearing the Benitton engineer talk was so insightful and interesting
@jesse-jamesahlijah6266
@jesse-jamesahlijah6266 Жыл бұрын
Man that was a really good video as a newer f1 fan it was really insightful to see some of the history of the sport.
@alpine1600s
@alpine1600s Жыл бұрын
Men like Flavio show how gutless the officials can be.
@huzcer
@huzcer Жыл бұрын
F1 is always plagued with cheating to this day.
@mrjohnnyk
@mrjohnnyk Жыл бұрын
They always are.
@paulnewman2778
@paulnewman2778 Жыл бұрын
The brilliance of F1 engineers is unsurpassed
@bc-guy852
@bc-guy852 Жыл бұрын
Great job on this Scott and Team!!
@rafaelcagliari8545
@rafaelcagliari8545 Жыл бұрын
That was really entertaining! Tks Scott
@veronicaferraro9556
@veronicaferraro9556 Жыл бұрын
Flavio is not the only on here. even currently within all F1 teams the tricks are played. Mercedes, RB are not excused. not to mention many stories of Ferrari and McLaren. Flavio brought us some of the greatest People in F1
@pietrobonfy0619
@pietrobonfy0619 Жыл бұрын
“Tribula” doesn’t mean that. It’s more like “a guy that makes his parents struggle”
@emiliomorello9419
@emiliomorello9419 Жыл бұрын
Yeah ... I might read that as "(he) struggles".
@orangejjay
@orangejjay Жыл бұрын
Awesome to see how you guys have almost 10x more subscribers than you did this same time a year ago. Kickin' ass!
@misiek8721
@misiek8721 Жыл бұрын
more of these materials - it's really a pleasure to watch
@AnthonySmith-nn4cr
@AnthonySmith-nn4cr Жыл бұрын
I would love to see more history videos from you guys!! Coiming from an f1 obsessed American drive to survive baby the f1 history videos on youtube are my favorite.
@gandalf_thegrey
@gandalf_thegrey Жыл бұрын
FOM: *If you can't beat him, invite him to make money for you*
@Adjudicator1
@Adjudicator1 Жыл бұрын
I view it as "It takes a thief to catch a thief", and similarly to how "Black hat" hackers, if properly reformed and taught properly to be "white hat hackers", become very valuable security testers.
@gandalf_thegrey
@gandalf_thegrey Жыл бұрын
@@Adjudicator1 I have never thought of it like that. Sounds plausible ngl.
@victordejesusmartin
@victordejesusmartin 10 ай бұрын
Great video Scott, just one caviat tho When Piquet spun on the formation lap it was on the pit entrance, which is a different spot from where he would ultimately crash out of the race.
@stephengohlke8456
@stephengohlke8456 Жыл бұрын
A brilliant presentation... Great job.
@atlasfenix6995
@atlasfenix6995 Жыл бұрын
Alonsos best pal, he is even his manager till today.
@NickG40
@NickG40 Жыл бұрын
He was only banned for a year, after getting it overturned in January of 2010.
@ninab.4540
@ninab.4540 Ай бұрын
Of course. Eccestone loves him.
@admiralbenbow5083
@admiralbenbow5083 Жыл бұрын
I used to bump into Flavio at a health club in SW London in the 90s. He would wear a very ordinary grey towel tracksuit and he looked as if he smoked a lot. I used to talk to him in the changing room and the sauna sometimes, but I never saw him in the gym. Maybe he played tennis or did classes? I never did work that one out. He used to have a big shiny chauffeured Rolls waiting for him outside the door at home time.
@Hal9023
@Hal9023 Жыл бұрын
Great video, very informative.
@nightcrawleroriginal
@nightcrawleroriginal Жыл бұрын
Of course they used Traction Control when their hand was caught in the cookie jar with that "Hidden File" found by investigators, they certainly didn't admit to it prior to that, Both Hill/Senna questioned Schumacher's car with super natural abilities. Once I found that out, the luster of F1 really dropped for myself (personally) and I didn't pay much attention to it from that point on, the occasional glance then moved on to something else. Great break-down D61 and very informative, thanks.
@CarimboHanky
@CarimboHanky Жыл бұрын
haha you can tell this guy really enjoyed his work 😂 bending the interpretation of the rules is the bread and butter of pretty much any motor sport
@irishmanintexas
@irishmanintexas Жыл бұрын
Loved this one. Very informative.
@alexrugina8799
@alexrugina8799 Жыл бұрын
I’m loving this… keep it up! If you can find some data I’d really love looking into the cheeky flange that Toyota used for their turbo limiting functions in wrc!
@Fixxer9912
@Fixxer9912 Жыл бұрын
Dude is a legend!
@Menca.
@Menca. Жыл бұрын
Flavio Briatore, a living legend.
@Briatoreflavio_official
@Briatoreflavio_official Жыл бұрын
ciao alessandro Dmmi in privato
@jackchallis9456
@jackchallis9456 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely love this video, awesome work. You've got to love F1 engineers and their exposure of grey areas, reading rules once to see what they say, and then again to see what they don't say 😂😂
@nickkotsoglou7478
@nickkotsoglou7478 Жыл бұрын
Back then many teams were doing “dodgy” modifications trying to find loopholes around the regulations, there was a lot of secrecy, suspicion and also espionage between them, major teams were playing the same game. This video probably confirms the Briatore was one of the best and a winner in his era in his job, although he might not have been nice as a person to a lot of people
@mauricioruffatti9531
@mauricioruffatti9531 Жыл бұрын
Briatore is a genius, especially on the commercial side of things. He should be running F1.
@ALPHABYTE64
@ALPHABYTE64 Жыл бұрын
He is doing this
@rhyswilliams4893
@rhyswilliams4893 Жыл бұрын
He's a large part to do with it atm. It's just not loudly spoke about. He's not the face f1 wants.
@owensparks5013
@owensparks5013 Жыл бұрын
Just no, why should a cheating criminal fraud be in charge of anything, let alone a sport?
@timonsteup2877
@timonsteup2877 Жыл бұрын
Remember that he is the manager of Mark Webber who is the manager for Oscar Piastri. I would not be surprised if he was involved in the whole Alpine-McLaren-Piastri drama.
@DannyBurns____
@DannyBurns____ Жыл бұрын
What a good video, well edited and researched
@bpuaz
@bpuaz Жыл бұрын
Schuemacher and flavio were a match made in heaven
@rhyswilliams4893
@rhyswilliams4893 Жыл бұрын
I think Fernando is a better match tbh
@Substance242
@Substance242 Жыл бұрын
Very good "mini documentary", I wasn't aware of the traction control details, is this the first time this was described? Also to visit another team to make some parts sounds insane. :-)
@BobbyGeneric145
@BobbyGeneric145 Жыл бұрын
I've often wondered if teams have black sites. Like a secret location with a computing cloud and a wind tunnel.
@kemosabe8313
@kemosabe8313 Жыл бұрын
a lot of stuff that I didn't know. I like the history lessons. keep them coming!
@aaronmachado13
@aaronmachado13 Жыл бұрын
Great video. A motorsport you should write about is dirt spring cars like you’d find in the world of outlaws series
@justliech3948
@justliech3948 Жыл бұрын
My father used to say that he always had a suspicion on briottori after senna talked about the track control, father belived that Senna's car was sabotaged due to that
@LeonKotze70
@LeonKotze70 Жыл бұрын
I take it your father never watched a single video on the Senna crash????
@justliech3948
@justliech3948 Жыл бұрын
@@LeonKotze70 i may never know, it was before we had internet, idk how many times he had seen it
@Cloxxki
@Cloxxki Жыл бұрын
Jos Verstappen didn't exactly look like he had traction control. In lesser cars he was really impressive especially in the rain. Were Lehto and Herbert more competitive due to Schumacher's car being more legal by that time, more freedom to their own setups (this part a top engineer from the team told me), or just not being rookies?
@samika1983
@samika1983 Жыл бұрын
Love your channel bro! Interesting F1 contents to watch. Love it!
@MichaelEilers
@MichaelEilers Жыл бұрын
More videos like these, love the long form!
@brightenupcc
@brightenupcc Жыл бұрын
And Pat Symonds now working for F1 as CTO. It’s not whether you cheat, it’s who you know
@Adjudicator1
@Adjudicator1 Жыл бұрын
There is also the old adage "Hire a thief to stop a thief" and "Set a thief to catch a thief". If these "black hats" can be recruited and become "white hats", I hope their knowledge and experience can be put to productive contribution to the sport.
@jamsbong
@jamsbong Жыл бұрын
Normally, I expect myself to hate someone who cheats. However, the way Briatore did it is just so brilliant and he got caught for a few things. Who knows what else did he do that wasn't caught? This guy is a genius.
@sternschnupper
@sternschnupper Жыл бұрын
you might want to look into what Cesare Fiorio did with the lancia team back then in group b - glorious stories! :D
@TheMrFishnDucks
@TheMrFishnDucks Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Keep up the good work.
@DavidVercettiMovies
@DavidVercettiMovies Жыл бұрын
I saw him inside F1 paddocks last week on TV. Gave me chills.
@FNG_22
@FNG_22 Жыл бұрын
F1 just isn't complete if someones Not Doing dodgy stuff and messing around with loopholes 😂😂
@Matty.Hill_87
@Matty.Hill_87 Жыл бұрын
Exploiting loopholes in the rules is what makes motorsports interesting, we need more guys lime this 😂
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