The many, MANY failed 4-door Porsches (including the Porsche 989)

Porsche is known for fast sports cars, but you might be surprised to know that in 2022 4 door cars made up more than 8 out of every 10 cars Porsche sold. Yet 20 years earlier, it only sold 2 door cars, with cramped rear seats only suitable for small children. That fun Porsche you had in your 20s could be used in a pinch when the kids came along, but those kids grew and your Porsche became impractical. Customers fled to other car brands and many never returned. Porsche needed to change that.
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[@BigCar2]

Erratum: The 1955 Lincoln Capri I tag it more like a 1956 or 1957 model.

[@caeserromero3013]

Unforgivable 😂

[@Jack-si2pg]

Would be good if you made a video on all of Porsche's VW or Audio collaborations. The 914 lives with the not a real porsche stigma yet per your video, the Cayenne was a group collaboration. And from my understanding so were Porsche 928, 944, 968. The 356 and 912s also had VW engines. Could help dispel the stigma and clarify Porsche's history of collaboration.

[@penzlic]

That 989 is a beautiful car even today, it kept the shape of 911. Sure, some headspace is sacrificed for that long sloping line, but when you look at "4 door coupe" craze from early 2000's, or 4 door coupe SUVs, you can say that Porsche was waaaay ahead of its time.

[@aaryeshg.6526]

Then Mercedes came along later with the first gen CLS to make the "4 door coupe" thing work. And I believe Infiniti came up with the "SUV coupe" thing with the FX 45, which BMW later did with the X6 and was more popular.

[@assininecomment1630]

If making it look pretty was the only priority for a 4-dr, 4-seat 911, then your idea would be a good one. 🙂 However, in the real world, there are things called buyers and money and products. If you want to spend money to make something that people will actually like and want and buy and use (and hopefully buy another next time) your 4-dr, 4-seat car really needs to comfortably accommodate 4 adults. I know, I know - the 90s were crazy times. It was a wild idea, wasn't it..! 🤪 One of the wild things was a huge economic slow-down. Two, in fact - and even a recession in some nations! In the late 80s and early 90s, Porsche sold f-all cars. Few sales = tiny profits = no big money for new idea, especially flawed, and untested vehicle development.

[@The_R-n-I_Guy]

Crossovers have destroyed everything. I miss the days of station wagons/estate cars. They're better in every way

[@DoubleDeckerAnton]

It would have been an interesting addition.

[@jimbrown5091]

Exotics Racing in Las Vegas uses the Cayenne as their track familiarization vehicle. It's not a sports car, but it's about as close as an SUV can get.

[@TheyCallMePDub]

Fascinating subject and superb video! Excellent presentation and quality 👍

[@shatbad2960]

Porsche is a two door sports car company at its heart and always should be. This mass market move to SUV's and ugly saloons is disappointing.

[@Happymali10]

15:30 The reason for that suspicion was because in the lead-up to the Panamera and around its debut Porsche tried to scrub any 4-door/-seater coupe from their history, including ones that DEFINITELY still existed, to label the Panamera the first one. So suspicions about "doesn't exist anymore"-claims were high from the getgo.

[@AllanteGrissom]

Brilliant video, extremely informative. Keep up the great work! 👍

[@m.i.andersen8167]

Thank you for the great video! Really sad that they did not used the good looking 989 concept instead of the very ugly Panamera.

[@mwh3227]

The Type 530 is a really good looking car!

[@ekgcanadianenthusiast9961]

Porsche should have bulid a 4 door before the panamera or cayenne.

[@brokestudio_]

I will never understand the hate Panamera gets. I think its a beautiful car.

[@joaotowt]

You should end up talking about the Taycan, after all it is the latest 4 door model from Porsche, other than that very interesting video. Thank you

[@MoultrieGeek]

Another triumph Andy, you've managed to make an interesting video about Porsche, a company I have zero interest in. The line about frightening small children was brutal but accurate: the Panamera remains the car world's inexplicably frumpiest and clumsiest design. I had no idea of Porsche's involvement in a Chinese design study but it does raise an interesting future video subject of Chinese car development, assuming the data is readily available.

[@watchfan6180]

Great video, upvite

[@bishopoftroy]

i`ll help, "911 refresh the 964 in 1989, but it used the same 989 cues in 924, 944, the 968 in 1991 and the new 911 993 in 1994."

[@BigCar2]

😀

[@MavAuto-Pete]

The stretched 928 looked very shooting brake... but the whole 928, 924, 944, 968 was very underrated. But I think it was good for them to hold on till the late 90s early 2000s to do the cayenne first then for the Panamera to follow.... and of corse then Macan, especially when all this stupidly overrated SUV people buy when they don't even intend to go off road except bully others on the road.

[@jamesb8305]

When I hear Porsche, I think sportscar. Not SUV, sedan, or whatever else they make.

[@andrewcocos]

Too many numbers! How do Porsche fanboys even remember them?

[@yebo56]

530 is really pretty

[@mickvonbornemann3824]

I know Porsche made a pro type rear engine 4 door because she I’ve seen it.

[@Avrelivs_Gold]

a 928 would been great, but with common doors.

[@joelikespotatoes8321]

Take a shot everytime you hear 9.

[@BigCar2]

I'm already drunk...

[@grunchlk]

I never understood why they didn't build the 4door based on the 993. It looked so much better than the Panamera. Probably Porsches finances at the time didn't allow it. Unimaginable today, bit they almost went bust in the 90ies.

[@Kacpa2]

Yeah, Panamera looks quite awful. They shouldve just went with station wagon Panamera from the very start, especially since they got styling down for 1st gen Cayenne. 4-door 911 could be done more in RX-8 style with rear suicide doors and longer wheelbase.

[@romulus_]

@@Kacpa2 they've finally figured out the panamera wagon just in time for it to go away thanks to the taycan sport/cross turismo.

[@Kacpa2]

@@romulus_ And after they stopped offering a manual transmission, they have the worst timing and decision making possible...

[@samuel999]

The video details exactly why they didn't.

[@cloudstrife1983]

993 is my fave style 911

[@tng2057]

Irony is that two door / three door coupes can hold value pretty well despite being impractical. In particular certain Mercedes.

[@gteixeira]

When they are low mileage weekend cars then yes. However when people buy more practical 4 door SUVs they tend to be driven more and end up with a higher mileage.

[@paulpichler]

And Mercedes Coupes are very rare compared to 4 door sedans.

[@tng2057]

Actually more than Mercedes. Even Mazda MX5 Miata and Toyota GR86 / 86 hold value better than a lot 4 and 5 doors.

[@an-dr6eu]

@@gteixeira An SUV is never more practical

[@boardernut]

@@an-dr6eu can´t agree more, at least here in europe a Cayenne is a pita almost everywhere

[@beatles4sale2007]

Perhaps a video on the VAG group would shed some light on a few things. Obviously both companies had decades of interwoven relationships, but Porsches woes in the 80s and 90s sounds familiar to Volkswagen in the 1970s. Primarily due to reliance on one very successful platform, ie the Beetle and 911 respectively.

[@Sacto1654]

As an earlier video from Big Car showed, all the attempts to replace the Beetle with a new model using similar mechanicals proved to be a *BAD* idea. It was just easier to just drop that idea and go with a modern transverse FWD platform, one that became the Volkswagen Golf of 1974.

[@jayg1438]

I love how the original Panamera looks, and the 989 concept for that matter. Fastbacks are hard to do well, and I guess a lot of people find the quirky, but I like them.

[@ej22_gc86]

Absolutely! The moment I saw the panamera it struck me as something really beautiful.

[@Trendyflute]

I always liked the original Panamera, initially in a "it's funky but I like it" way but over time it's aged into a really nice design. I also think the 1st gen Panamera was a great size; they went full-on S-class/7-series size in the 2nd gen but the 1st gen was a great "tweener" - a bit bigger than an E/5, smaller than a 7/S but with comparable luxury to those, plus more performance to go into that smaller body. The current ones are great cars I'm sure (if you can afford to maintain them!) but I miss that 1st gen size for an aspirational owner-driven luxury car.

I always love the Panamera design, back in time when was released it was a little bit different from all the family cars on the market

[@fredericperrin3279]

As a teen, I remember seeing drawings of the 989 in a car magazine. I couldn't believe how great the car looked. Many years later, the Panamera came out. On photos, it looked awkward but the first time I saw it in real life, I really liked it. In 2017 I bought the last model of the first generation of the Panamera. I prefer the first gen to the current one. It looks more special, the rear windows look so cool, the tail lights are far more original than the second generation flat bar. And the butt of the car, while controversial and not great looking from some angles, has this "F... you" look that I think makes this car great. And the interior is phenomenal, again much nice than the new model.

[@JaguarFiend]

I don't usually like 4 door cars when there's a 2 door version available but the first time I saw the Panamera I thought it looked amazing. I still think it's absolutely gorgeous.

[@jamesengland7461]

Great video! I think Porsche has sort of repaired the Panamera's looks in recent years, but the Taycan is gorgeous, showing how far off the Panamera remains.

[@triangleofdeath6246]

I can definitely see that, the first gen is hideous. The second gen looks a lot more refined.

[@Dutch-vj2eg]

IMO, the current gen Panamera looks quite good. I drove a GTS and it is a great car. Porsche's first gen efforts for any of their current line-up were a bit dodgy but they steadily improve them. The 996 looked awful but what came after improved each successive generation. I think that they rightfully waited, the acceptance of expensive luxury cars in their main markets wasn't there but has increased significantly after 2000.

[@stevieinselby]

I never thought the Panamera was ugly ... not saying I wanted one, but it wasn't the looks that would put me off. The Cayenne, on the other hand, was a minger with a capital M. And a capital I. And a capital N, G, E and R.

[@terminal-velocity111]

Such a well researched and presented video. Thanks for putting in the usual hard work.

[@damilolaakanni]

9:13 I wouldn't really say it was. Keep in mind that during the development process of this 4 door Porsche, they were building the 400E and 500E (later E400 and E500) for Mercedes-Benz, they even helped with the development of those cars. It made sense for them to do that.

[@gabrielmiranda480]

they also build and had a hand on development of the audi rs2

[@nwnwnwn]

400e too? ive never known that

[@damilolaakanni]

@missionna8 the 500E was built to compete with the M5, the 400E was built to compete with Lexus.

[@coscorrodrift]

was porsche building the 400E as well? Do you have more information on that?

[@damilolaakanni]

@coscorrodrift according to Wikipedia, "Porsche also constructed the chassis for the 400 E, which was in essence identical to the 500 E's chassis."

[@dxutube]

Always loved the 989. Also I never had a problem with the Panamera's looks. I prefer the original camera angle btw.

[@markosu]

I honestly cannot see why they didn't build a four seater much earlier. It would've widened their market share substantially, which really would've been good when they were low on money in the 90s.

[@romulus_]

probably company culture. a bunch of old timers who couldn't fathom a sports car manufacturer making anything but that. they had to be saved from themselves in the 90s.

[@CarPlebs]

Very simple a combination of Cashflow and capital expenditure requirements. Simply put they would able to reach 15000 units p a and would inevitably went bankrupt

[@Sv5YpWTwd9otTA4So83f]

Customers were less willing to buy trash then. The best selling Porsche model nowadays is the Cayenne. 80s and 90s consumers were not that stupid. Now, they're so stupid that they'll buy fake land rovers over sedans.

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

They had the 968. For awhile it was probably a huge debate inside Porshaaaa, they could have made the weirdest grand tourer based on that platform.

[@nlpnt]

Sometime before 1955, a 356 engine and chassis tuning with a stock VW body. A German Lotus-Cortina, a decade before the British one.

[@elmafias6141]

Porsche 4-door existed until the 21st century. They were just called Tatra.

[@JoshuaC923]

The 989 actually looks pretty good in side profile, the back needs improvement though.

[@cookc327]

I really appreciate all the research that goes into these - and on a marque I really enjoy, it's a great video! I still wonder how the world would have changed had that Studebaker project actually gone just a little further

[@Bod8998]

928 estate is hideous

[@romulus_]

the ferrari 330 gt shooting brake looked a lot better.

[@pgtmr2713]

The 550 Shooting Brake looked fantastic! As well as the FF and GT4C Lusso.

[@chaoringmeister]

Don’t know many people in their 20s buying Porsches….

[@MotorTorq_ZA]

i think the panamera looks lovely. its such a timeless design. its just as pretty to me as the e65 7 series

[@Klopcyna]

or the Fiat multipla for that matter

[@MotorTorq_ZA]

@@Klopcyna eh i dont like the multipla

[@ianedmonds9191]

That 989 looked much better than the Panamera.

[@johnnymason2460]

Eventually Porsche got the 4-door models that they wanted and needed: the Cayenne and the Panamera. Both have been very successful.

[@egooooooooo]

ive always loved how the panamera looked. very angular in the front and calmer in the back. it was very stylish and modern for its time back in 2009. to me its gorgeous

[@groundedgaming]

The 989 looked so much better than the 2009 Panamera! Should have just kept the shape. Anyways, I’m very interested in the Lotus Type 125/Exos story. A F1 track day car would have been so cool. Too bad it was a failure. Can you do a story on it?

[@k9killer221]

The nominal two rear seat area in the 911 is actually very useful. You can put lots of luggage back there, on the floor and on the seats; and its easy to access. The "Frunk" space is quite limited, but OK for most shopping etc. I actually don't use it - I just throw my sh!t into the back. As an option, you can have the rear seats removed entirely, but if you need a load carrier, buy a load carrier.

[@TheMacz69]

I always thought they should offer it with the seats removed and fit some sort of a luggage carrying space

[@idanceforpennies281]

@@TheMacz69 I think that's what happens. You get a liner, rubber floor mats with luggage straps and a cargo net in lieu of the deleted rear seats. I actually have not personally seen this, but I think I saw it as an option.

[@sq1rlsqu4d]

Nice one, I wasn't aware of the 928-based cars. No mention of the Taycan though? Separate video maybe?

[@BigCar2]

Maybe in the future, but it's a bit new for my channel.

[@aleksatodorovic9506]

Oh 989 is the coolest panamera that never was

[@gulfstream7235]

Being a miserable old fart I do appreciate the work you put into these videos for my brief stint of enjoyment...

[@StephanBuchin]

Extremely well done and informative video running at just the right pace 🙂

[@GeeEm1313]

In my early 20s, I rode in the back of a 944. Never again.

[@Rypsolisti]

Correction! That Lincoln Capri at 1:13 is actually a 1957 Lincoln, not '55 model. :)

[@BigCar2]

Thanks - I've pinned a correction.

[@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X]

Not only does Porsche sell 80% four door cars, but most of them are SUVs, proving people have more - loaned - money than brains and taste combined.

[@miguellozanofinez5033]

That's because Porsche SUV's are bigger and more expensive (so, better) than the neighbour's whatever he has. I don't know what they will do if the guy next door has a concrete mixer truck or something. A pity I can't like your comment 1000 times btw.

[@loginavoidence12]

I'd side with the owners of that hideous car rather than someone who trashes on people for spending their money on things they like.

[@domenicbiamonte6276]

Porsche has actually been very effective at building a superior luxury SUV. The Cayenne and Macan fairly consistently rank at the top of their respective classes in terms of comfort, performance, and even reliability against much of the competition. You might not like these cars because they lack some of the heritage and purist feel of the 911, but they are still very good cars in a market of middling kid-haulers. It’s also worth noting that these cars are the reason Porsche can produce the incredible lineup of sports cars they currently offer - crossovers (and to a lesser extent, the Panamera) helped bankroll Porsche’s future.

[@flacjacket]

I have a Cayenne because it is, simply put, the most complete car on the market at any price point. It can tow my racecars, boat, PWCs and tractor while delivering S class levels of NVH, Porsche fit and finish, Lexus tier reliability, and the cargo room for the wife, kids, stroller, and luggage for a two week vacation without having to put anything in people's lap for the 12 hour 700 mile each way drive I do every summer. All that and it handles like a sports sedan, on its summer tires it breaks 1G on a skid pad and yet when I need to plow through a foot of snow I can put the suspension in its highest setting and have more ground clearance than a wrangler Rubicon. Do I need its offroad capabilities? No. But it certainly doesn't hurt to know that anywhere a Range Rover could go I could too. As a vehicle to do all of the things I have to do day to day there is nothing else on the market with such a broad envelope of ability, and most of the things that try to compete fall well short on execution, everything works the way it should in a way that isn't true of the alternatives.

[@domenicbiamonte6276]

@@flacjacket these are the exact reasons we bought our Macan S. It does everything we need it to, but can hold its own on a twisty backroad or an open highway and enjoyable in all settings. That, and the Porsche Service Department and customer support has been incredible thus far.

[@PaulTC777]

The ugly one is the first gen Panamera with the goofy back end and taillights, the latest one looks better. The Taycan is what the Panamera should have looked like on the first place. The first gen suffers from the same "arched back of a dog taking a poo" back end that the Chrysler Crossfire was known for.

[@romulus_]

the story is that they had to make the back seat area tall enough for their ceo to sit comfortably. he was over 6'4, hence the odd proportions.

[@PaulTC777]

@@romulus_ yeah I guess they found a way to hide it better in the latest one

[@BigCar2]

I agree the 2nd gen looks better. Or is it we've all got used to the look?

[@thrice1987]

Thank god you use images to illustrate every car. All of those 9-hundred numbers being thrown around couldn't get any more confusing 🤣

[@cheharrison7107]

Great video, love the behind the scenes/development vehicle stuff. Would it of been to much of a risk to design a different body shape rather than just trying to elongate the 911? None of the designs seemed to have the correct proportions.

[@jovar.3649]

The 1st gen Panamera is still ugly as sin because one man at 6"1 had to fit in the back seats. Why couldn't he have been 5"6? Also, I think if there was a 1st gen Sport Turismo, the Panamera would have been far better received.

[@frederickvondinkerberg7721]

Beauty is subjective and I have always liked the Panamera... nothing wrong with the looks

[@wasdwasdwwasd]

@@frederickvondinkerberg7721 Beauty may be subjective but good design is not.

[@jovar.3649]

@@wasdwasdwwasd A-Frickin Men

[@michaelopere5424]

Jova R Matthias Muller made the right decision to make the Porsche wide and long,because the average German is usually tall and huge.

[@frederickvondinkerberg7721]

@@wasdwasdwwasd yes that is also subjective, you don't seem to understand what that means

[@stuartleckie]

You know how folks have bucket list stuff, but it’s usually about going places; well, for me it’s own a 928. Love how they look. I think spurred on by having a Matchbox model of one when I was really young. Gorgeous looking thing. Not so sure about that -4 version though. Wonderful video Andy, tons of facts and stats in it, which I really appreciate!

[@bradevans7935]

I know how you feel about 928's. Almost bought a really clean early one about 10-12 years ago, but decided against it at the time, then got to watch local prices for them double almost overnight.

[@pyrexmaniac]

I, too, loved the 928 and collected Matchbox cars.....I had fifteen different variations of the Matchbox 928....the metallic cocoa color was perfect, if not exactly sporty. In real life, I loved the funky "op art" interior fabric of the 928. Sadly, the funky fabric was not entirely durable, the light-colored segments of the design practically disintegrating is heat and sunlight.

[@stuartleckie]

@@pyrexmaniac gosh, I remember that colour of Matchbox 928 all too well. Exactly as you said, not sporty, kinda classy though. might need to have a look through my old Matchbox cars again, see what I still have 🙂

[@sukhdevr3489]

@@stuartleckie Which matchbox cars do you have? My favourite die casts are the Skyline, Eclipse, 68 Mustang and gold 350z. Most hot wheels.

[@CaSuMog]

Haven‘t seen the vid fully yet, but Jaguar had some issues with the E-Type 2+2 as well….and that was a 2 door 2+2. Not a 4 door.

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

It’s impossible to use large scale manufacturing techniques for smaller production runs. That’s what always gets them. GM was smart in making Corvette a separate division to allow them to think differently than the core engineering and manufacturing guys. Porsche has struggled since their inception. Hopefully, they will continue to survive from their larger benefactors. They are great cars indeed.

[@T.E.S.S.]

That H50 would make an awesome hearse

[@rusty911s2]

Surprising how that Gen1 Pan has mellowed to being merely ungainly rather than outright putrid. I wonder how much these are now? (Reaches for Autotrader... ).

[@weofnjieofing]

Its called the Volkswagen parts bin. VW are notorious for platform sharing and they did it here with Porsche. Tiguan/Macan and Taureg/Cayenne

[@xx-dl6pk]

It bugs me how manufacturers insist on 4/5 door versions of their small cars and claim it is for practicality. The doors end up so small they may as well be cat flaps.

[@floydblandston108]

Basically, Porsche went from divorced Doctors and Lawyers to Doctors and Lawyers trying not to be divorced- right?🤔 I've *never* seen a Porsche SUV driven by a man.... P.S; I would have watched more of this video, but switched over to DW to watch Annalena Baerbock castrate Scholz and suffocate him on his own balls- pretty much the same historical event.🤣😂

[@jlcii]

The 989 was a beautiful car, and yes, they should have built it. With that being said, I find it funny that car Enthusiast automatically think that people who buy SUVs are parents who want room for their children, when a good amount of Porsche SUV sales are actually childless individuals who simply want more room and practicality than what a 911 can offer. A lot of single and childless adults prefer an SUV over the sports car, that's not exactly a secret. But I guess the archaic way of thinking is that if you don't have kids, and in particular if you're single, you're supposed to want the most impractical vehicle you can get your hands on to symbolize your freedom.

[@chaoringmeister]

Also are the Mercedes 500E and Audi RS2 examples of Porsches initial forays into the 4 door market?

[@wasdwasdwwasd]

But that was Porsche Engineering not Porsche Cars, I suspect they worked on 4 doors much before those two.

[@baronvonjo1929]

Porsche is now more of a crossover of brand these days. It's what keeps the lights on and probably what most young kids will think when they hear Porsche as time goes on as it's the only thing most ever see. I really like the Panermara. Totally spelled that wrong.

[@600322]

Luxury brands like Mercedes,BMW and Porsche must consider that they are feeding the market for narcotics.

[@KRW628]

The problem with the Panamera (and the Macan) - no manual gearbox (only 146 first Gen Panameras had manauls). These are cars for dentists, not drivers.

[@aidanjack3094]

The Panamera is so ugly it’s resale value is also extremely low it’s really funny I work in the air force and will see so many airmen driving these “expensive luxury cars” that are just salvaged titles like the panamera and the a7 it’s so funny and ofc when they do eventually have a problem with the vehicle because most aren’t kept up well and cared for properly they end up just staying in a parking lot waiting to rust oh I love to watch people making terrible financial decisions it’s always so funny to me

[@TheUffeess]

Once upon a time, a Porsche was bought because it was a good sports car. Now rich people buy this car for the name…

[@caeserromero3013]

Who wants to be doing 150mph with yours kids in the back? One small mishap and you've wiped out the entire family....

[@BOABModels]

I really hated how the Cayenne and Panamera looked when they were released but clearly that's where the market has gone, especially regarding the Cayenne.

[@ButterfatFarms]

Last week i delivered an order to a home in a gated community. There's a new Corvette in the driveway, a BMW SUV, and 3 Porsche Cayennes.

[@jayswarrow1196]

Pause at 10:00 and imagine: VeeEight powered, rear driven Daewoo Matiz.. there it is, top right. 14:43 - Of course VAG would convince everyone to buy any s(tuff) - they've got the best marketing department ever, known for a good work in crowd funding -shenani..- solutions, since 1940s..

[@davidpeters6536]

I am of the same opinion as Clarkson on Porsche. Another great video, but I'd really like to see you do one on VAG.

[@manofthehour6856]

As always, these videos are hugely informative, entertaining, and reliably-well researched. I was not aware of a Studebaker/Porsche association early on, and I am quite surprised that the model was given a "no go" for looking "outdated". And of all people, I am surprised that it was John Delorean who was behind the decision only because he was an engineer. That being said, his talent was renowned for the magic that he brought to Pontiac, so if he was instrumental in canceling the project, it was likely for good reason. Not a Porsche fan myself, although some of these four door versions look pretty attractive, especially the silver car in the static introductory photo. The 911 variations remind me of the Panhard Dyna.

[@MrSheymie]

Excellent, very informative and interesting video. Proximity to camera is better in previous videos IMHO.

[@BigCar2]

New camera. I'm trying a (slightly) different style.

[@arianwinanto6299]

The irony was, Porsche was commissioned by Mercedes to engineer and assemble their W124 500E 4 door and 2 door variants during their crisis years and underutilised factory. So it technically can be called Porsche's first 4 door. At least with the cash they received and with the Boxster sales, it helped their development for the Cayenne

[@vengadeshkannavathy7225]

The 989 should be produced. It can be a competitive rival for the W140 and soon be released E38. Financial crisis kill it.

[@pouyazadutube]

I really enjoy your videos. Still waiting for your Hillman Hunter story! 😅

[@philiprodney7884]

Ulrich Bez is a very important figure imho. Went on, of course, to save Aston Martin. Why not do a piece on him?

[@BigCar2]

I've already talked about him in this and the BMW Z1 video, so I'm covering his career slowly!

[@StrangerYann]

swanky new intros man what made you adopt those? this is your second video I see with one of 'em I'm curious but I like what I see keep it up, man 🙂

[@BigCar2]

I've been doing something similar since the Triumph Stag video in 2019. I got the idea from an RMC video.

[@Tacko14]

2+2 must be the definition of gaslighting. Fully upholstered leather seats that no one can sit in except children that still require booster seats. They cost a mint, they cost space and the kids prefer a true saloon instead anyway. No. Upgrading a sportscar to a family car is not the way. When a niece of mine married, the car was a Panamera mkI… diesel. No one was impressed. Single mum now. Get your priorities straight. If you want a family car, buy a family car. If you want a sportscar, it’s not gonna be the main car in the family. It’s your midlife crisis, get real. Don’t get confused between the two, and don’t cheat by buying just one car for two purposes. I did, and it hurt so bad. If you can only afford the one car, think hard and curb any emotion

[@aaryeshg.6526]

That's why the BMW M5, Merc E63, Audi RS6 exist or the rally specials like the WRX and Evo.... plenty of 4 door saloons that are sporty and still practical. To be frank a saloon car doesn't need to have "coupe" styling to be sporty. It has to be sporty on driving dynamics and be practical for family, while looking like a normal saloon (or an SUV as it is today).

[@phantomguard71]

Not mentioned in the Video: In the late 60's, there was a successful one-off 4 door 911, known as the Troutman-Barnes Porsche, that was even tested by Road & Track. Even that looked better than the Panamera 😆

[@andrewdubose9968]

Conversely, I’m surprised they haven’t used the Panamera as the starting point for a new 928.

[@kcspeed9980]

You could criticize Porsche now for what they did/how they did it. But the fact remains they are still around making some of the best sports cars on the planet while being more profitable then ever before.

[@williammurphy3766]

Great to see images from the Porsche museum in Stuttgart. This stylish building (easily accessed via the city's S-Bahn system) contains the wackiest Porsche of all time - a hybrid from 1904. The idea was sound, but the technology would not catch up with the theoretical concept for another 80 years.

[@Klutch58Customs]

Tatra did a four seater 911 before the 911 existed! That said, the 989 is like a Mandela effect MK1 Panamera. I could easily be convinced Porsche launched it beside the boxter if I wasn't paying attention!

[@Bod8998]

Excellent as usual

[@Vyker]

Shame to see the omission of the RS2. Another attempt they put to making a family car.

[@kblader09]

He's forgot about porsche troutman...it was the first 4 door

[@sage11x]

Everyone says the panamera is ugly. I think it’s wonderful.

[@goldpharaoh6976]

That 989 tho, looks sleek asf.

[@ChuckJ1944]

Why did you leave out the best one; the Taycan? What a car!

[@natswii]

Very interesting video thanks

[@kaipirinha8871]

BTW, the pronunciation of all Porsche models follows the 911 (nine-eleven) principle. So it's 928 (nine-twenty-eight, in German "neun acht und zwanzig") and so on.

[@BigCar2]

So Porsche is now telling me how to say numbers? I think not!

[@stacy3]

@@BigCar2 I agree

[@georgewashington1106]

Well done, as usual. Would love to see a Lotus Elan story at some point

[@BigCar2]

That would be a fun on to do. I've added it to the (very long) list.

[@jussiketels151]

There was also in the 90‘s a 928 Station, produced by Arzt, what would help Porsche out of the mess, but they probably not interested, some where sold as a aftermarket rebuild and they have been really nice..😊

[@jayartz8562]

I think you got the spelling wrong.

[@jussiketels151]

Might be???

[@yissibiiyte]

And in the end it took an SUV to make the first 4-door Porsche. Exact same story with Lambo and Ferrari

[@Fiwek23452]

Lamborghini had an suv in the 80’s bro, what u talkin about

[@yissibiiyte]

@@Fiwek23452 what on earth are YOU talking about; you're literally proving my point

[@Fiwek23452]

@@yissibiiyte you are clearly talkin about the urus, you dont even know the LM10/008 orsomething.

[@yissibiiyte]

@@Fiwek23452 I suggest you take a good hard look at my original comment. I said that the first 4-door Lambo was an SUV. You're seriously trying to make it seem like I was wrong, while you yourself are proving me right? (Also what you're trying and failing to say is "Lamborghini LM002")

[@Fiwek23452]

@@yissibiiyte but there’s no 4door sedan from lambo, only suv and its an audi badged lambo, and the first 4 door Porsche suv was not a real Porsche neither it was on the Touraeg platform, whilst the LM was an real lambo with a v12, like I said u meant the urus not lm002, and I said orsomething cause I forgot the name I’m not an lambo enthusiast