The Martin Heidegger Nazi Debate

[@numagama]

I find that the book Mushroom at the end of the world has some insights on this, if we talking about ghosts. there is a phrase that really stuck with me. “freedom is the negotiation of ghosts in a haunted landscape. It does not exorcise the haunting but works to survive and negotiate it with flair”

[@otto_jk]

Just listened that Beiner episode. I think his argument basically boils down to him claiming that he's a superior Nietzsche and Heidegger interpreter than the rest of us. When ever Pills argued against him his answer always seemed to be: "Well you can read them that way, but if you R E A L L Y ™ deeply understand the text like I, phd Beiner do then you would agree with me" He never seems to justify why his reading is better, for him it just is.

[@sergiitomachynskyi1704]

As an ukrainian I find interesting to hear a feedback, also negative one, about my country and its history.

[@AdamWEST-yu2os]

The Ukraine has ruined the world. Thanks for that.

[@0x400Bogdan]

There were some Ukrainians that fought both the nazis and the soviets in WW2 actually. But their impact wasn’t significant.

[@corylarsen5788]

You know who else questioned why the enlightenment failed to prevent genocide and tyranny? The Frankfurt school. I honestly thought you guys were about to say the 'arc of history bends towards....'

[@jessl1934]

Canada has always been very cosy with Ukranian N@zis, playing host to monuments to OUN and UPA leader Shukhevych, to plenty of Waffen SS refugees from Ukraine, and of course how could anyone forget the bombing of the Ukrainian Labour Temple building by the Waffen SS refugees in 1950?

[@SingularMK]

Good one 👍

[@toddwoolner8164]

Heidegger was at his core a German patriot, so of course he supported the NSDAP, and after seeing what the allies did to cities like Dresden, and now he’s supposed to give an honest a fuck what happened to some polish Jews? lol

[@in.der.welt.sein.]

Heidegger's criticism of "Das Man" isn't simply that one "goes with the crowd", although you can see that he was taking a stab at the socialist and worker's movements (the "newspaper" readers, i.e. the socialist rags)-- look at how he characterizes "Das Man": intellectual, rootless, cosmopolitan, calculating, bloodless, obsessed with his material interest-- all well-established anti-semetic tropes at the time. Secondly, his concept of "historicity", "decision" and "being-with-others" in B and T is basically the idea of organic unity. Being "anti-bolshevism", "anti-Americanism"-- what else did fascism consist in besides this?

[@thenowchurch6419]

So for Heidegger the Nazi mainstream was not in the category of "Das Man"?

[@AdamWEST-yu2os]

Heidegger was a Nazi

[@thenowchurch6419]

Heidegger was a brilliant philosopher who was unable to live the integrity of his own teachings and succumbed to the "They" of Nazism. No man is perfect but his work is still immensely useful.

[@stephen1340c]

Useful for what? Advocating and committing genocide, ethnic cleansing, and institutional racial discrimination?

[@thenowchurch6419]

@@stephen1340c Are you serious? Have you never done a study of his works? His work is useful in terms of understanding the critical importance of the immediacy of the moment in everyday life as opposed to being obsessed with the past or the future. His work explains the wholism of the universe including humans place in it which is why we have the "ready to handness" in our interactions with the world. He explained that all humans generally live based on some form of care or caring. His work valued nature, the countryside and was skeptical of technology. If you think his main thrust was Nazi-ism or anything to do with ethnic cleansing I believe you are terribly uninformed but if you have evidence that he directly promoted those in his work, I am open to check it out,

[@stephen1340c]

@@thenowchurch6419 Check out his Black Notebooks, then.

[@stephen1340c]

@@thenowchurch6419 Check out Heidegger's Black Notebooks, then.

[@thenowchurch6419]

@@stephen1340c I am aware of his Black Notebooks. They are just that, notebooks, not his published philosophical work. If you go back to my original comment I acknowledged that he became a Nazi. That does not take away from the useful work he published.

[@SamJCopeland-gj1vg]

Equating Romanticism with fascism is ridiculous. Romantic literature is saturated with celebrations of the American and French revolutions. And I’d like to see you draw the connections between Italian fascism and Wordsworth! Kind of embarrassing.