The Marvels & Wish Push Disney Losses Over $1 Billion - Charts with Dan!

[@robpagenkopf5829]

The irony of this being Disney’s 100th celebration year and it being just a disaster is crazy. At least Warner Bros. had Barbie to kind of cover up the issues they’ve had this year for their 100th.

[@rohanb9335]

Honestly outside of the DCEU WB have had an ok year with Barbie and the meg 2 and evil dead rise also doing good.

[@BrutalVengeance89184]

Add evil dead rise , meg 2 the trench and the nun 2 into the mix

[@BrutalVengeance89184]

@@rohanb9335 you forgot to mention that the nun 2 performed very well at box office

[@jojosoni]

Karma

[@robpagenkopf5829]

With Warner, it’s more about their PR side such as shelving Batgirl and Coyote vs. Acme and all their DC films flopping. They did do okay on their horror side at least.

[@AlMoSiCe210]

Dan, you prophesied this over at Screen Junkies when you said, "You're invincible until you're not." That always resonated with me & rings even truer now regarding Disney. Also, The Boy & The Heron is EXCELLENT. Can't wait for a rewatch!

[@tomiwaaina5499]

The smile on my face when I saw this video uploaded. Oh how I love charts with Dan. Hope you enjoyed your break!

[@ShaneAddinall]

And that $250 million was reported about 9 months before release, so it excludes all their reshoots and last minute edits. Pre-advertising cost is probably closer to $300 million.

[@crestedargo4663]

I agree. There was an article on Forbes in September, just a couple of months ago, where Disney revealed they had already spent 274 million on The Marvels before the end of September 2022. Luckily they had got a 55 million subsidy from the UK government, so at that point they had a net cost of 274-55=219 million. However, I'm sure that in the end with reshoots, VFXs etc they spent more than 250 million total (without advertising). That's such a disaster

[@jim1242]

Its crazy that Trolls Band together, which had the half the budget of Wish, will likely gross double at the box office (its making more per day, than Wish despite coming out earlier). This seems to be pattern where animation movies from Universal like Minions, Mario, Puss N Boots are mostly doing well , whilst Disney and Pixar are underperforming despite costing more.

[@musicmashups]

It's funny cause at their previous peaks, Dreamworks and Illumination both played second fiddle to Pixar and Disney Animation, respectively, at the box office. But now it seems like Illumination and Dreamworks are unquestioningly #1 and #2 in the animated film medium.

[@A-ro-2803]

@@musicmashupsdreamworks had their own enormous flop with Ruby. I think overall it’s a very precarious time for animated films. It doesn’t seem to be the studios, but rather original animated films specifically failing spectacularly (outside of Mario, which is clearly still a franchise IP). I will be interested to see how migration does for illumination over Christmas.

[@Guzmania]

The reason for the boxoffice flop is Disney Plus. The highly anticipated movies will be watched in theaters. If lesser rated movies like Marvels are not watched on first three weeks, then people will likely wait another 3 weeks for release at home. A family of 4 will likely wait 45 days to watch it on D+. If D+ is still not profitable now, then Disney have a big problem, it will not get better. They screwed their own blockbuster releases.

[@musicmashups]

@@A-ro-2803 yes but DreamWorks is also coming off a massive success with Puss and Boots: The Last Wish, which made more money then any Disney film post-pandemic. So overall they're still doing very well.

[@charvolth]

@@A-ro-2803 Mario is a bit of an outlier. That had a big adult audience. Like Barbie, drew the interest of at least three generations.

[@syedshahrukhraza2923]

The entire movie industry fell flat on it's face this yr. The market considerably shrunk and proved to be far more brutal towards middling movies than any of these studios expected. Studios need to reign in their budgets. Anything above $100m deserves the highest levels of scrutiny moving forward.

[@miz4535]

". Anything above $100m deserves the highest levels of scrutiny moving forward." scrutiny will lead to bland films with no risks taken.

[@hiltd0860]

Not true. Good movies dominated. Crap movies failed. Their movies were garbage

[@Pentaholic88]

I remember you saying back when The Flash dropped big that it’ll be hard if something dropped bigger than Steel. Well good job Disney, you now have the lowest 2nd week drop of any superhero movie. Happy 100th birthday 😅

[@LinkMarioSamus]

I feel like The Marvels’s box office should have a major asterisk next to it due to the studio’s complete inability to promote it as an event the way it normally does but holy moly.

[@hiltd0860]

Didn't stop Barbie, Oppenheimer et al. Disney got stupid and wayed into politics. Strike had nothing to do with the garbage they're putting out

[@LinkMarioSamus]

@@hiltd0860 I haven't seen the movie but from what I've read about it there was nothing political unless having three female leads, two of them non-white to boot, is political in and of itself in which case you're basically a bigot. Not to mention those two movies came out at the beginning of the strike - you could at least get your timelines correct...except no that would require not being ignorant. Also, both those movies were discovered by more and more people as time went on. MCU movies don't really work like that.

[@JohnMcVay1]

This is a mega-episode/edition of ”Charts”. 👏👏👏 “The Holdovers” is excellent. 💯💯💯

[@motherplayer]

I don't want to wish any ill will on the hard working people on many of those projects on Disney that tanked, but I hope most of all, Disney looks at this as a proper wakeup call and learn that constant content on absurd budgets needing to make the numbers they do just to break even, forget profitability, and gets back to quality over quantity, as they have said to promise. Time will tell.

[@hiltd0860]

That's true. But they also alienated a substantial core clientele.

[@OrionInSpace]

Disney and Marvel are currently falling into the trap mindset of thinking that because their brands are as high level as they are that they think they NEED to go bigger in order to compensate for how people will come back to return the profit. That's a really poor mindset to have. No movie or show should be getting made for $200+ million. You are asking for a loss at that point. As it is their side of the streaming world and Chapek's despise for animation and thinking it doesn't need to be in theaters has also hurt them. A reset is really needed right now and I am hoping that these business minded decisions on entertainment can be turned around.

[@kevindelgado1459]

And all the political posturing, every script been formulaic and safe, relying on old brands to keep making money. At some point they need to make something new or they are actually done what are they gonna do a sequel on next? Mufasa 2? Lol

[@LinkMarioSamus]

@@kevindelgado1459 Political posturing? Nothing anyone at Disney has said politically should be controversial...at least for those who aren't bigots and transphobes. Unless I'm missing something.

[@LinkMarioSamus]

Disney is doubling down on what made it successful in the late 2010s while most of the other major studios have learned their lesson from their own follies back then. To paraphrase an older Disney movie, when every movie is an event none of them are.

[@OrionInSpace]

@@kevindelgado1459 the political stuff gets overly played out and raged about by people who have agendas of their own and to me that's just based on people not having a backbone. I will agree that the stories can seem generic and too similar to old school Disney films. The remakes themselves depending on the film are more or less just for the cash grab it seems even though those films are old asf.

[@OrionInSpace]

@@LinkMarioSamus it isn't really more about that as it is more about certain people out there taking up a grift online to complain about things they know will get them money and views

[@EricMrRareAir]

i missed “Charts with Dan” but also happy you took a break! we should all appreciate the effort Dan puts into giving us all this information 🔥

[@zenquantum1246]

Walt must be spinning in his cryotube with the kind of anniversary year Disney has been having

[@Janootz]

The difference in opening for Captain Marvel and The Marvels I think is the 2nd largest drop in opening between a sequel and its predecessor behind only Suicide Squad and THE Suicide Squad. Would love to see Dan compare the drastic drop-off between Captain Marvel and The Marvels to other drops between sequels

[@intense79nick]

Which in my opinion is a fun comparison since most would say The Suicide Squad is much better than Suicide Squad but the pandemic and The Suicide Squad going day and date to HBO Max clipped it's wings. Where people fall on Captain Marvel vs The Marvels, I'm not sure but I didn't love nor hate Captain Marvel and I'm not alone in saying I didn't go to see The Marvels.

[@arroe8386]

Well, that means the biggest drop-off for when the comparison makes sense

[@Ushio01]

Nope, the drop between Suicide Squad and The Suicide Squad is just under $580M while The Marvels has dropped over $900M from Captain Marvel. It would be Alice in Wonderland and Alice 2 with a $750M drop that would be the previous number 1.

[@Janootz]

@@Ushio01 I'm just talking about opening weekends here.

[@brianalice]

I thought Captain Marvel was formulaic and forgettable. The Marvels, I found fun, if a bit fluffy. It’s a shame it didn’t do better.

[@bhinsar]

An hour long episode just to keep up with updates and not skipping them, man kudos to you DAN. BTW thanks for the time stamps 😂😂

[@veryglub8879]

Welcome back, Dan! So glad you put this on hold to prioritize your marriage! I know it's a hard thing to do in this line of work.

[@rafaelramoscorrea522]

Man I really missed this show, welcome back Dan

[@barmanfred3301]

This episode made me laugh out loud several times because of dans excellent delivery of the charts and disney sheer stupidity in managing their movie budgets. 31:52 is for some reason a really funny moment, with the cut to the facts ahahhaha. Great to have you back Dan, we missed you!

[@EricCarter12]

Also don't forget Dan that Spider-Man No Way Home made money for Sony. Barely any of it went back to Disney.

[@DriveupLife22]

I am convinced there is money laundering going on with these budgets. Wish looks like it was made for a Wednesday afternoon slot on TBS Kids.

[@consciousgentile5141]

Exactly. Disney isnt stupid

[@ZachBobBob]

This I all I could think of watching this episode

[@LinkedIn12Smith]

Look who owns the big corporations vanguard does.

[@whentsayshi]

Welcome back! Reading updates from Variety isn't the same as the weekly charts uploads, but glad you got the time off

[@walterwright1085]

Been waiting for this one for a while! It's been a devastating month at the box office

[@Luke_Go]

As a Disney shareholder, I want Disney-heads to roll. There needs to be accountability and if the current board of directors isn't capable to fire people, they need to go!

[@ajdz1840]

There’s no accountability, only buck passing to the audience. It’s one thing for stubborn activists to lose shareholder value but at this rate they’ll destroy countless jobs across the whole industry as well

[@rjtavares1480]

The worst part about how Disney is functioning is that since they lose so much money in the studio and streaming, the real winner for Disney (the Parks) has to spend a chunk of their Operating Profit recouping the losses from the Entertainment Segment. Which sucks cause the Parks need some help to stay on top in that Industry especially in Orlando, since Universal is opening a brand new park, and Imagineering can't commit to any major projects.

[@fatalynn7]

The fact that they brought back Iger boggles the mind

[@CannonRaw]

I recommend you to drop the shares. Not just the failure of the box office, the declining attendance at parks and cruise lines. The forensic audit on Reedy Creek has shown soke massive financial criminal elements.

[@Luke_Go]

​@@CannonRaw Are you really so stupid that you never ever noticed any of the "shocking revelations" that "forensic audit" revealed? Big deal, Disney did what they said they were doing and they did similar things that hundreds of other special tax districts are doing. That is clearly a reason to get rid of the second ammendment. Right? makes totally sense.....

[@LightsOnTrees]

I find myself inconsolable that the great capitalist juggernaut that is Disney has been brought low by overproduction and exploitation... I am shedding tears... rivers and rivers of tears...

[@clackman622]

It takes a real man/creator to apologize for his absence but ALSO make up for time missed! Much Respect!!

[@pjotrbd]

It's even worse: Disney only got 25% of the profit for Spiderman no way home...

[@AnyRoadRichard]

Next week we need the update on market share and the comparisons to pre and post-covid, please.

[@seanfox4121]

Seeing disney have such a disastrous year at the box office feels so strange. Less than 5 years ago disney seemed unstoppable even when they put out a string of bad movies (2019 included- aside from avengers endgame and ill give far from home the benefit of the doubt)

[@miz4535]

Disney+. Also, endgame good? Nah.

[@seanfox4121]

@miz4535 it was still better than frozen 2, toy story 4, the rise of skywalker, and captain marvel (probably, I haven't seen that one)

[@TepidShark]

Also petty from Disney, putting the blame for The Marvels solely on the director when everybody knows that the decisions on Marvel films come from several places/people.

[@davidtwinn7519]

WELCOME BACKKKKK!!! I’ve missed this 😭 as a theater employee this show is actually super helpful to know in advance how busy it’s gonna be 😂

[@coreyhumm1832]

Hey from New Zealand 😊 I'm glad you liked the Roxy! I was literally just saying I love this guy for doing a full months recap and then you called my country beautiful :) I hope you had an amazing time! I visited your country for the first time two months ago and absolutely adored my trip! Congratulations and all the best mate

[@followthebradleysfun]

Congratulations to you and your bride, Dan! I hope you had an amazing honeymoon! May your marriage be blessed as you continue to press forward in life!

[@bhilldesign]

Seeing the Top Ten films from 20 years ago makes me happy and look forward to a needed break from comic book posters in Top Tens for 2024.

[@arukas11]

You and Charts were missing but happy to have both back, hope you had a lovely honeymoon, Dan!

[@nightcoffees]

Good to have you back Dan!

[@comicfiend1988]

Definitely glad to have this back. I have a new respect for how hard you work compiling all the necessary data because getting my weekly box office info is NOT easy

[@rosawyer]

Big Data Analysis...

[@J_Tevo]

The fact that so many things have underperformed this year is a real worry for the overall health of the industry, especially knowing we’ll most likely have a scarce year in 2024 due to the strikes.

[@KellicTiger]

I'm perfectly okay with that. Because the movies that are doing well this year are ones that are clearly innovative. Clearly directors who are not doing paint by the numbers. I am more than willing to see Hollywood fall flat on their face if this becomes a learning experience. We dealt with a drought of movies in 2020 we can do it again if this fixes some of the crap that's going on.

[@HarrisaSports]

The industry probably needed this...they need to get back to making quality entertainment that brings the audience into the theater. They got to mixed up in politics, inclusivity quotas, got lazy, cut corners, etc. You only have to look at movies like Godzilla Minus One to see what amazing things can be done on a smaller budget and movies like Oppenheimer and Barbie to know a big budget blockbuster is still doable. This is hopefully a wakeup call to Disney, Marvel, DC, and other studios that just relied on name recognition to sell tickets to mediocre movies, the fans weren't having it.

[@mcwyman7928]

​@@HarrisaSportsRight, because two of the highest grossing movies this year (Barbie and Oppenheimer) have absolutely no political messages whatsoever.

[@HarrisaSports]

@@mcwyman7928 Oppenheimer certainly doesn't insert modern day political ideology at all no. Barbie was semi political but it wasn't forced because it actually made sense to plot of the movie.

[@ayoa1173]

​@@HarrisaSportsYou honestly think Oppenheimer, with its anti-war message and discussions about weaponizing technologies that are barely understood and devastating to the planet, that movie has no modern political ideology?

[@EricCarter12]

Don't forget that James Cameron's company got most of the profit for Avatar 2, Fox were just the distributors, so Disney only got a very small amount of money for that movie and a bunch of good headlines. Whilst James Cameron got and his company got to reap the financial benefits. Add on Disney's losses on Streaming and they have lost BILLIONS.

[@MrBoodabelly]

Didn't Sony owns a huge percentage of Spider-man No Way Home's revenue as well?

[@EricCarter12]

@@MrBoodabelly Yep. I mentioned that in my second comment.

[@fedwyn]

Just a reminder Dan that No Way Home is actually from Sony, so Disney losses are much bigger

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

If Disney wants to stop losing money they should consider hiring artists to make art again. No more pre fired VFX before the script is even done, no more aggressive studio notes forcing directors to all make movies with the exact same tone as the previous 200 MCU movies, no more agenda driven products created only to emotionally exploit a "non traditional" demographic into liking their movies while having absolutely nothing of value to say or offer to that demographic.

[@selinapersaud7629]

Maybe they’re just done with everything, maybe they just wanna run the company into the ground because they’re done with it.

[@d.a.baracus]

Welcome back Dan! Really missed your Charting shows the past month w/ everything that was going on...

[@dl1966x]

As a resident of Wellington, New Zealand I am so happy that you had a chance to experience the Roxy Theater!! My absolute theater of all time. Watching movies there is so worth it and keeps me coming back time and again :)

[@amberpackard9242]

I’m just not invested in Marvel anymore. I feel like I’ll just wait to see it or skip it altogether

[@musicmashups]

I really enjoyed The Holdovers. They nailed the look and feel of a 1970 movie and it had a lot of heart, charm, and humor without being too sad or sappy. Also if Paul Giamatti and Dominic Sessa don't at least get Academy Award nominations it'll be a highway robbery.

[@desertsuede4]

The Holdovers is so warm and lovely, and I'm pretty sure it will get a whole bunch of Oscar nominations. Deservedly.

[@KeithBelow]

The problem Wish has is that it is competing with Trolls. I work at an 8 screen theatre in Upstate NY. When Wish came out, Trolls was still doing more in admits despite having fewer showtimes than Wish.

[@BeautifulGrass]

I'd rather watch anything else than Wish and The Marvels. Was a big Disney girl, grew up on the classics. I hate modern Disney and the garbage they've been putting out. I was meh about the live action movies but the TLM wrong casting was the last straw. I'm so happy Wish is bombing. It feels like an insult to fans like me. Yeah, I know the spoilers already because I feel very strongly about not watching it even if it's free. Looking forward to Godzilla Minus One, but worried that they won't show it in my country in South East Asia.

[@Joel-wx7zk]

Nah, just people didn’t care about Wish, even without Trolls, few have any interest in the film. The villain is clearly correct

[@dannysmi7162]

That says more about how bad people think Wish is, because the Trolls movies are awful.

[@NateBeeman]

I just saw a post from Regal that Disney will be releasing Soul, Luca, and Turning Red in theaters next year. They're clearing scrambling trying to figure out how to make some easy money. Streaming has definitely hurt Disney significantly.

[@MrTerrorFace]

This year will be looked upon as the year where everything changed when it comes to films and entertainment.

[@rosawyer]

The Strikes hurt the industry!

[@PrismRed]

Godzilla Minus One doing well enough to have its theatrical run extended is the feel good news of this week

[@jessrl8025]

Couple of days late, but yay! Charts is back!

[@TBarmor]

Didn't realize how much I'd miss this show! I'm glad you enjoyed your well deserved rest

[@thechairman74]

The Marvels' box office isn't winding down because it never wound up to begin with. 😂

[@TVandManga]

Amazing episode of Charts, thanks Dan! The Marvels having a bigger drop than The Flash made my jaw fall open!

[@TheRealDanEman]

Welcome back Dan, we'll always be here, keep up the good work!

[@5DollarGaming]

I think a multi-movie review catchup with more abbreviated thoughts makes the most sense. I love a solid 10 minutes of thoughts but with the volume of movies missed and what's coming out soon, just don't see that being possible and would rather get sound bite thoughts than none at all.

[@unoriginalandrew]

I do hope that Disney can actually learn from these failures. If we get 5-10 years down the line and they're back to form then we can look back and celebrate the failure of this year. I just hope they can get back on the tracks because i enjoy good movies a lot more than a bad movie haha!

[@franklopez5997]

Congratz Dan hope you had a great time

[@storywala88]

He is backkkkkkk! Welcome back to your classic Charts Dan!

[@zachmorris6684]

Hell yeah! Charts with Dan!

[@jdolan74]

Don’t forget Killers of the Flower Moon. That is ALSO a box office disaster. It had the same budget as The Marvels and made even less money.

[@BrutalVengeance89184]

Very true and Napoleon also flopped big time at box office

[@AllInTheGame01]

Unfortunately, because Apple is a near $3T company that has at least $162bn in cash, it lets them get away with blowing close to $500m on those two movies!

[@Sprogster]

Flowers was never expected to make money at the box office. It's a "loss leader" from apple.

[@jdolan74]

@@Sprogster you could make the argument that The Marvels will be paid for by Disney+ in the same way that Killers of the Flower Moon is paid for by Apple+ subscribers. We can’t really measure movies post 2020 the way we measured them before the streaming services. The Marvels is basically a streaming movie sequel to streaming shows like Wandavision Ms Marvel and Secret Invasion. But you can’t say The Marvels is a box office disaster without also saying Killers of the Flower Moon is a disaster regardless of intent.

[@titanguy7316]

Killers (and to a lesser extent Napoleon) weren't expected to make boffo box office - Apple bought the distribution rights as content for Apple+ streaming down the line, as well as for the prestige of "awards-season favorite" bumps.

[@pratyushjakka7347]

Thank you Dan!! Really thanks

[@baltimorefilmmaker]

I should request a cameo of Dan saying how amazing the Transformers movies are.

[@mainchannel1566]

What is happening to Disney is why I never buy shares in entertainment companies. I had no idea it was that bad.

[@PrimRooks]

Welcome back to charts, Dan, and glad to hear you had a lovely time on your honeymoon 🎉 This was one heck of a subject to return to and review, and excellent job as always!

[@chrispapciak887]

So excited!!! Its been well worth the wait.

[@gregorymuller7313]

Disney failing is like the gift that keeps on giving!

[@LittleScarfGirl]

Glad to have you back to charts! I've been very curious to hear your thoughts on everything from the past few weeks. And I'm glad the honeymoon was fun!

[@renskedunnewold1995]

I started watching Charts around the release of Endgame, what a difference a few short years make

[@vampirefrompluto9788]

Hey Dan, at the end of the year could we get a top 10 best performing international films at the domestic box office?

[@tordb]

1. Movies are too expensive to go to 2. Disney has flooded the market with unwatchable junk 3. Disney+ ruined Disney's rarity, quality and appeal

[@Sadoodi]

Glad 'Charts' is back!😊

[@YouFightLikeACow]

My body is ready for this update.

[@brucenh9076]

Welcome back, and congratulations again to you and Mara. Two quick questions: How did the movie-going experience in NZ compare the US? And, as a movie guy, did you see any Lord of the Rings sites?

[@louiswilson3653]

Congratulations Dan!!! Wishing you the very best!!! ☺️

[@dannygillespie6614]

Charts! Charts! Charts! Char-char-charts! (To the tune of Shots!)

[@adezzyade]

My powers levels have been so low without Charts. WE’RE BACK UP!

[@blocknessmonster18]

There will never be a generation that won’t appreciate Robin Williams. And if there is then we didn’t raise them right.

[@boilderrik893]

Never thought I would see the day that Steel was knocked off its perch

[@Renegade322]

Disney has grasped tooo tightly to a formula that has begun to make everything feel stale

[@pokepress]

To be fair, it’s hard to tell when a formula will need a shake up when you approve movies 3-5 years before they come out.

[@DSzaks]

Welcome Back Dan. Glad to hear you enjoyed you honeymoon, Congrats again. But it's good to have you back on the job full time. I was starting to go though some charts withdrawal.

[@nickfield1569]

Bob Iger will pin the blame on Bob Chapek, but Chapek was following Iger's strategy in all this. Plus, where's the blame for film studio head Alan Bergman in all this? Alan Horn passed the torch to him and left in 2021. Instead, Bergman got a promotion to Co-Chairman of Disney Entertainment earlier this year!

[@AllInTheGame01]

NZ is a breathtakingly beautiful place! There's something to be said that there's been just 6 $1bn+ movies in the 3yrs post 2020 as opposed to the 18 we had in the 3yrs pre 2020! A 67% drop in the number of billion-dollar grossing movies is a clear signal to Hollywood that the landscape has changed and that their budgets need to change in accordance! Apple being a near $3T company that has at least $162bn in cash is letting them get away with blowing close to $500m on Killers of The Flower Moon & Napoleon! Saw X was only in Theaters for 7wks & still did $706.5k in its 7th & final wk despite dropping below 1,000 Theaters which means they left a little bit of money on the table, should've stayed in theaters for a full 8-10wks domestically. 49:30; A very good Three Musketeers movie came out this year with a very good cast that includes Eva Green & Vincent Cassel.

[@andrewbarnett152]

To be fair, it's really six billion dollar grossers in TWO years post-2020, as you can't really argue that 2021 was in any way a 'normal' box office year. I also think that 2019 (when there were SEVEN billion dollar movies) has to be considered a freak outlier as opposed to being considered the benchmark for what consitutes 'normal'.

[@AllInTheGame01]

@@andrewbarnett152 Even if you were to be VERY generous & exclude all 9 $1bn+ grossers from 2019 and keep all 6 $1bn+ grossers post 2020 starting with NWH at the end of '21, that's still a 33.3% drop in $1bn+ grossers from '17 & '18 to now. Studios can't keep assigning $200m+ production budgets to almost all their blockbusters especially in an era where the 2nd biggest market in China is no longer a guarantee for Hollywood movies! Literally only Avatar 2 ($246m) has grossed over $200m in China & only 3 Hollywood movies in total have grossed over $100m in China post 2020 which is a shocking drop from pre 2020 numbers.

[@adrianwilliams7790]

Ok, I live in a small North Norwegian town with a good cinema. The Marvels was there for 12 days and then it was gone. And because of a film festival here it was not shown at all for 2 of those days.

[@jim1242]

33:54 I think the damage to Disney could be even worse, depending on if the 547m profit from Spiderman NO Way Home includes Sony's cut,. Not to mention some of the $400m profit on Avatar 2 went to James Cameron's prodction company Lightstorm who made the movie. So it is possible that Disney only recevied a few hundren million $ in profit on those 2 movies,

[@Stockader]

I'm glad you mentioned this. It is worse I think. It's Sony's movie, not Disney's. I was surprised Dan didn't remember that. I just looked it up and Disney financed 25% of No Way Home, so they got 25% of the profit. The article said it made 610m profit and Dan's calculation was 547m. Either way, 25% is 136m-152m. So those three hits vs this year's failures puts Disney over 200m in the hole. And that's not taking into account if James Cameron's company took more as you said.

[@rosawyer]

Disney should have used this vulnerability to hasten the end of the Strike.

[@historygems1190]

Happy honeymoon but man have I’ve been waiting for this! Great stuff!

[@4-kathryn]

I'm so excited to see "The Boy and the Heron", my friends are busy this weekend so we all agreed to see it next Wednesday, booked our seats already. It's bittersweet this might be his last film theatrically, Miyazaki can only do so much at his age.

[@pjm582009]

200 million dollar budget on a animated movie is ridiculous, they deserve to go broke doing that, its insane.

[@TheFirefox]

As an aside, I watched Carlito’s Way for the first time during the pandemic. Solid movie. And anyone who has played the Grand Theft Auto games will instantly get some of the references.

[@Samuel-p17]

We're talking about flop after flop. But I think we need some context. Is this year just a bad year for cinema or is it the big movies? I think a comparision all domestic tickets sold in 2019, 2022 and 2023 would be a good thing for the last charts of the year.

[@wallacei100]

Welcome back, Dan! I missed charts, but am so glad you had a great honeymoon. My Spotify Wrapped says I'm in the top 0.05% of listeners to the podcast version of the channel. Does literally no one else listen?? It's so much easier for me than KZbin, so I want to say thank you so so much for doing it! Not sure what the analytics are, but you have at least one consistent, appreciative Spotify listener! 😂❤

[@DanMurrellMovies]

I only have about 2K consistent audio listeners so you may be my biggest Spotifan!

[@Kusanagikaiser999]

Dan goes for vacations....and Disney almost DIE in the box office 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, so much carnage happened, we missed you so much these past weeks man.

[@BoringAngler]

@20:53 "never want to be told you're underperforming Steel." Which just popped up for me on Tubi, so onto the watch list!

[@nozser]

Congratulations on your wedding 🎉

[@Ivanskywaker]

Hi Dan, Spider-Man No Way Home is Sony, no DIsney. I think Disney gets 25% of the Boxoffice under the new deal, but has to pay 25% of production cost so it will be more like 190 million what they get.

[@ericcoats7234]

OMG!! "That's the time that that was." had me rolling.

[@TheFiftyQuid]

Welcome back Dan. Glad you enjoyed your time off.

[@xXSchirm54Xx]

Came her from Spotify just to give Dan a much deserved like/comment/view for all of that research and deep diving into Disney. Those numbers blew me away! Keep up the excellent work! 👍

[@naveenmishra8506]

Welcome back...dan .... really interesting take on Disney

[@MsZeeZed]

49:52 - Carlito’s Way is an excellent film. A more polished Scarface, with the drug-fuelled rage buffed off (yes there’s still layers left without that). I’m kinda surprised to see it chart so high, but then this was a good time for both De Palma & Pacino (off his Oscar win), it was like magic it clicked so well. People repeatedly asked if it was a Scarface sequel (which makes no sense on any level), but as an adaption of *After Hours* (a sequel to the then unfilmed *Carlito’s Way* novel) it plays as a standalone sequel, starting with the criminal getting a second chance, a fresh place to begin this story (Act 3 if you like) with this actor/director having done their time in the territory of its set-up. The plot, characterisation, dialogue, flow like music and its a joy to see film-making look so effortless, with the full Hollywood gloss.

[@archondalcreativeminipaint]

Excellent episode, Dan. Thanks for the numbers and recap. And congrats! I seriously laughed at the Freelance joke at 37:40 and the 3 Musketeers Joke at 49:30 - [lists off the actors] "that's what time that was.." 😂🤣 Keep up the great work!

[@SimonCoulton]

Imagine the amount of good you could do in the world with 350mil…

[@OceanWolf808]

Welcome back Dan! Glad you enjoyed your break!