The MCW is the Accuracy King! | (Best Attachment Setups & Stats)

[@victordalvarenga]

Thank you for including the Hardcore Stats for this series. Great job and keep doing this outstanding work. Excited for the next ones!

[@JPDD2]

Yeah hardcore is the way to play this year unfortunately. Reg + hit detection and connectivity is ruining the game.

[@mariedioa]

Same for including a stealth build. It would be nice to have the detailed ingame stats for each build

[@victordalvarenga]

@@JPDD2 agreed, unless they solve the connection inconsistency I won't be playing the regular multiplayer. Thankfully the hardcore and zombies have been a great experience to pay off the 70 bucks I have spent.

[@awepossum1059]

@@JPDD2 enemy time to kill: mw 2019. my time to kill: black ops 4

[@awepossum1059]

i legit cannot win a gunfight unless i get the first two shots or if theyre not looking at me in all fair gunfights i just lose

[@10acScottyP]

Soooooo many content creators make videos with the title “ best MCW class setup” , “drop a nuke with this MCW setup”, “The only MCW class setup you need” etc etc…..then the king puts out his gun guide and A) it’s totally different than all the other creators class setups and (B) it’s always so much better. Thanks ACE you da man!!

[@operator_alpha644]

i feel like the ones people put out are fake ones meant to trick players into using less than optimal builds so they're easier for the pros to kill.

[@Luckyduck_007]

The MTZ after the beta with all attachments available has surprised me. With good attachments the gun can barely move but obviously a pee shooter at range

[@juuiceboxx]

Honestly it’s my favorite off meta weapon. Since smg’s are weaker this year, I like to use the MTZ as a smg but it can also shred at medium ranges.

[@jeremybrown9611]

Yep same with the SV

[@elxslve8448]

100% my favourite gun! Drum mag suppressor and high mobility on it just makes it feel amazing

[@THEKING-ix6rw]

@@juuiceboxxsame feels fine unless I play pure burst weapons that win first

[@BetaCuckAlpha]

I don't think the term is "pee shooter", bud...

[@namelesscompadre4095]

I really wanna see the sva545 next. I hardly see anyone use it, but i get the feeling it has a lot of potential with the right attachment setup

[@DimzReacts]

it's the worst gun in the game, rubber bullets !

[@justified1496]

​@DimzDaDude The damage is low , but mine is very accurate up to midrange and can kill snipers at long range with tapping. Close range is good as well but not great.

[@mavfan21]

Hooray!!! I love seeing the gun guide series back!!!!!! I'd love to see the DG and FR covered soon, I really love those burst fire guns.

[@hankvoight3326]

I’m loving how this game feels, but I hate how ratty it’s playing. I really hope it’s just because people don’t quite have a feel for it yet

[@flansquadgaming9286]

I think the ratty thing lay style is also because the SMGs don’t feel that great so more players are using ARs and just playing power positions. SMGs are just way less versatile and actually have recoil compared to all the ARs

[@ob-onyx]

Same ! Lots of people are either camping or staying on higher ground on certain maps. Not sure if i blame people or the maps tho… Edit: certain maps like invasion

[@jermopp]

Ratty playstyles has been a thing since the beginning of cod multiplayer. Its annoying. Every year its brought up. Its just how some people play i guess. Im assuming there either scared, or think its a tactical game🤷🏽‍♂️

[@inneedofgreen7102]

It’s not bc they don’t have a feel for it yet, they’re just rats. Can’t tell you how many SND matches I’ve played where people are still using riot shield and shot gun, one guys name was literally “in-a-corner “

[@alorem123]

Also probably related to sbmm being so strong

[@MGriff0812]

I love that you added in a little blurb for hardcore! ThTs my main mode outside of ranked play

[@yhzh2002]

I'd like to know how the two round burst works on the SVA, and basically whether the gun is theoretically best in single fire or full auto modes.

[@terrible1fi]

It’s good in both. Using it in bursts in auto works extremely well

[@AELGamer]

I throw it into hyperburst with a slight zooms optic like the Kazan Halo and it is fantastic at range. Definitely use a range increasing Barrel though

[@BigMikeMW]

Really suprised how similar your recommended strafe/stealth build is to a build I made before this guide using the detailed stats. Crazy what we can do when we know what the attachments actually do. So glad they brought this feature back, hopefully it will be a thing in every single game. I don't always understand/grasp the characteristics of the gun so I still be watching the guides - Thank you for your work!

[@bobdarrick2628]

No problem bhaisaab

[@chadieladdie]

So glad to have these back! Love your content as always Ace 💛

[@artiepolanco]

Loved that you added hardcore numbers!!!!!

[@MVPlaymaker]

The supressor you get when you get the 2nd lmg (lsw) to level 9 is one of the best attachments in the game, does velocity, damage range and recoil control and the ads penalty isnt as slow as the heavier mw2 supressors

[@Gaelotorres]

It is interesting that in HC, the health value is 30, in other games with 150hp likeCold War or BO4, the health for HC is 28, The reason for this is for not affecting the 30 health threshold and affect the weapon in core modes

[@Uncritiquable]

The JAK Raven kit also gives you 3 default attachments for the cost of 1. It gives the Collapsed stock, Midnight Barrel & Claw PSL grip. You could essentially have 7 attachments in total

[@ivanfranebijelic7009]

Ace, this is important, check Tac Stance recoil for each gun, I've noticed that some can be VERY accurate even at mid to long range with Tac Stance, and Tac Stance essentially makes you strafe at nearly full movement speed. I use it very often when I expect closer range engagements and it's devastating. This should be prioritized for SMGs because they can retain nearly the same accuracy and have exceptional mobility (and noise reduction for people who don't use covert sneakers)

[@sn95cruiser]

I've been enjoying all the new attachments thier pros and cons..just level of depth that's nice especially when tweaking a build for specific playstyles.

[@chickenfkeryay]

Id like to see the burst guns covered. It would be interesting to see how they stack up against former bursts

[@SunlightSee]

Burst guns are killer. I still haven't leveled the m16, but I've already fully leveled the DG-58 and working on the FR 5.56 now. Both are super assault rifles in core multiplayer.

[@willfromw00tsup29]

I just started using the MTZ, and I'm loving it so far, so that would be nice to see a guide on. I already gold camo'd the MCW, really good gun. Headshots are key for sure.

[@TheWavys]

GOD I love your detailed breakdowns!!! KEEP EM COMIN BABY

[@joshclarke8423]

FAMAS next please, been using it quite a bit recently with only like three attachments, and it just seems to work really well.

[@markc4485]

So excited for gun guides this yr 🙏

[@astraybi]

I have switched to one of the aftermarket optic whose name is something MP-12 if I remember correctly. This one is a combination of optic and laser so that it could slightly increase ads time at the same time and save me a slot. The laser is visible but it’s very light green and is very difficult to see in real situation, almost invisible in outdoor scenes.

[@GalactoTheGamer2099]

I use it on my striker 45

[@cowsanonymous]

Not sure about other people, but if you wanted to use the time you normally would've used for barrels to talk a little bit more about your opinions on guns, I think that'd be pretty cool.

[@Spitfire_1940]

Id like to see the DG-58 next. Not seeing a crazy amount of people running it but i definitely see potential in it

[@AvarageYakuzaEnjoyer]

Quite a stupid suggestion due to absolutely no one giving a single shit about it

[@Buglife.352]

Is that yhe burst?? That thing melts

[@Spitfire_1940]

@@Buglife.352 yeah

[@fleevaundo_806]

One of my favorite guns rn lol

[@miketantalos7827]

​@AvarageYakuzaEnjoyer it's the best gun..

[@Scroolewse]

Hey simple suggestion here: could you overlay some text during the recoil test that says the range in the corner or something. Also the hipfire comparison is a little confusing because I don't know if the weapon's hipfire circle goes off the inside or the outside of the hipfire notches.

[@tktxlegend4540]

I think you should do the Holger 556 next. Its kind of being overlooked by so many players who'd rather use the MCW and the DG-58 because they are comfort picks with how easy they are to use, but the Holger feels like an absolutely beast to me personally.

[@sigspearthumb7993]

I like to nerd out and build as clone correct as I can to the irl counterparts. Currently using the G36 C and you’re right bro. It shreds.

[@brawler5760]

When I pick this game up, and I can’t because well… Christmas vacation, I’m definitely gonna be maining the Holger.

[@tktxlegend4540]

@@sigspearthumb7993 I use to do that in MW19 and MW22, but in this game with the 150 health, I don't like to sacrifice damage range because it just feels like I'm gimping myself. On SMGs especially right now, you have to max out their damage range if you want them to have any chance of competing.

[@bodkin7841]

@@tktxlegend4540 yeah man in S&D anyone running a smg makes them absolutely MASSIVE and horrendous lmao. 7ft long smg lmao

[@JDC5656]

Holger is banned in competitive games so it's quite well known how OP it is rn

[@ninjalemon9082]

Ace, will you be covering the differences of the MW2 weapons and how they have been changed? As always, great work, buddy!!! Love your content!!

[@AMGG]

Can we all just call it ACR ?

[@triveck7931]

Id like to see the Holger 5.56. I personally liked it substantially more than the mcw during my camo grind. It is an absolute monster

[@AndrewPast]

I'd like to see the stats on the AN94, especially curious about the hyperburst. I'm also curious about the single fire in this game. In MWII, it changed the damage profile on some ARs and all BRs. I'm curious how it works in this game for both ARs and BRs. But especially on the AN94 considering how unique the hyperburst feature is on it.

[@IncredibleFlyinSquid]

I'd assume the benefits would be outweighed by tap firing in full auto which will occasionally send out that 3rd bullet due to natural human error. I had a friend in my lobby yesterday saying that the gun felt bad and I told him to tap fire it so you get a bunch of hyper bust shots (but to keep it in full auto) and all of a sudden he exclaims, "WHOA!!!" and got a bunch of kills.

[@yhzh2002]

I have tried single fire on the BAS-B and MTZ-762, and it enables a 3 body shot kill. I am using the single fire (2-round burst) mode on the SVA, but it feels like it's still 5 shots to kill. I'm mostly doing it because it feels nice to use and unique.

[@sno-hq2oy]

What gun is the an94 in mw3?

[@hankvoight3326]

@@sno-hq2oy KVA

[@ejro3063]

@@hankvoight3326 no, sva 545

[@DeadSpacedOut]

I kinda want you to cover the SVA next because out of every Assault Rifle, it's the only one that seems just bad imo, I can do just fine with any other Assault Rifle BUT the SVA. Also, the Holger 556 is a BEAST in this game! You could cover that one next, but I already have a couple good builds for it.

[@HypRWarfAre]

It took me the longest for plat. Multi kills with that gun sucks.

[@madeinnola]

I just stop using it, it’s decent in mid range fight but the fire rate gets me f ed up in too many close situations

[@kunimitsune177]

Naah the SVA did good work for me at mid-long ranges - i prefer it to the pea shooter MCW.

[@Vexily_]

Just noticed they remade the ACR ironsight from OG mw2 as the jak raven kit ironsights

[@David_1789]

You need to prioritize ADS speed. All of the accuracy in the world won’t matter if your enemy gets the drop on you.

[@ZachariahBaer]

Do you plan on doing fun guides for the MWII guns or do you believe the guides for their respective game will still hold?

[@redbulloo7]

This!!!

[@frazfrazfrazfraz]

He'll probably just do general videos talking about how the MWII guns get changed in future patches, and where they stand relative to MWIII guns And they ARE going to get changed. There are obvious problems, like the snipers not killing even in the head out to an infinite distance. The MWII guns end up feeling lackluster in at least some area, if not overall

[@alexmichaelfriedman]

I would love to see your thoughts on the SVA-545 next ! Seems like a very strange gun to me and I have found it to be very inconsistent

[@fleevaundo_806]

I was just saying the same lol

[@codemonkeyslikeme]

I fkn hate that i cant use this gun til lv44. I know theres zombie, but ive never played it and dont know how to extract. It be helpful if theres a noob friendly guide on this

[@petervestifrendrup1307]

Pretty easy to find MCV in zombies and extract actually.

[@yabbadabba9458]

Or find a friend with MCW and have him drop it. Then extract. Takes all of 5 min.

[@r4-215]

I believe zombies starts u off wit the mcw and too extract there will be a blue door on the mad wit a running stick man just go there

[@DeadSpacedOut]

If you wanna level up fast, just use a Double XP Token, use the insured weapon slot in Zombies, use the Pulemyot 762 (or weapon of your choice) with the best attachments for Zombies, keep in mind, Zombies cannot see Lasers, and then go to the Exfil Spot (spawns after a few minutes into the match) and just keep calling it over and over killing the Zombies that spawn, but never actually exfil until the Zone starts coming in, which takes like 50 minutes or so. It's kinda mind numbing at times, but it's easy and fast XP. To see the Exfil Zones when they spawn, open the Tac-Map and Zoom all the way out, they're the Blue Guy running through a Doorway Symbol. Also also, after you kill the Exfil Zombies and the Chopper leaves, if you're still there when the Exfil becomes available again, DO NOT call the Exfil again immediately because like 100 Zombies will Spawn at the Exfil and if you Call the Exfil then you'll be getting less Zombie Kills overall because only so many Zombies can spawn at one time. The Exfil Zombies spawn constantly until the Chopper Lands, so if you call the Exfil whilst those Zombies that were already spawned in are still spawning, you won't be able to kill the 100 that spawn there after the Exfil plus let's say 200-300 more, it'll just wait until you've killed the 100 that were already spawning and then spawn more, but at that point, the chopper will be landing soon and then the Zombies stop spawning. Idk if I made this sound over-complicated or not, but it's not. Literally just spawn in, kill zombies, go to the exfil, call in the chopper, kill the spawning zombies, wait for exfil to leave and respawn, repeat.

[@codemonkeyslikeme]

@@yabbadabba9458i dont have friends 😢

[@infantryblack]

Love your guides

[@emilymoore8511]

I’d love to see a gun guide for the MTZ next. Feels like it has a ton of potential as a flex AR, especially with an aggressive stealth build

[@MurphyusTV]

I have even less recoil by using the Xten Ported 290 Muzzle and the Kimura RYN-03 Vertical Underbarrel grip and instead of using a barrel I have the RB Claw-PSL grip. The in game stats say 0.51/0.75/0.52 instead of 0.66/0.72/0.52. Only downside is that idle sway is worse but you could mitigate that by using a long barrel instead of the reflex.

[@zjsz4954]

Ace you might want to revise your hitbox dummy graphic, TGD made a video where he says the chest hit boxes are much larger in this game and do down to the waist/belly button area

[@bodkin7841]

I'd like to see one of the burst rifles, its been so long since weve had good ones. Obviously the type 95 is way more popular but Im curious what pros and cons the FAMAS has over it

[@telmo2430]

Ds58 it's the best gun ingame mate

[@bodkin7841]

​@@telmo2430I call it the type 95 because that's what it's supposed to be and how I remember it from mw3 The LMG version is p good too when leveled

[@IncredibleFlyinSquid]

I mained the M16 in MWII, honestly it was a lot of fun clutching 1v4s in S&D with it. I too would like to see them give burst guns a little more love.

[@Dragoonsoul7878]

Haven't we had good burst rifles in a lot of games that end up overpowered or overtuned to the point they get nerfed?

[@bodkin7841]

@@Dragoonsoul7878 you're probably talking about CW bursts. They were like the ones in this game, really low recoil and easy, but they DID 1 burst to chest. They require a headshot in this game so its fine That being said the only other good bursts we've had in the past 5yrs was the famas in mw19. It wasn't popular, but that gun deleted if you could handle it. I prefer that style to the laser recoil kind tbh, but the laser kind is amazing at killing headglitchers

[@jeremybrown9611]

SVA, MTZ, Holger556/26 and Famas all feel accurate to me. AR's have been nice

[@getsomebud]

Holger has been dope

[@madeinnola]

I just stop using the sva when I get kinda aggressive the rate of fire get me 🖕🏾ed up

[@BigDraco123]

Holger is for sure getting nerfed

[@jeremybrown9611]

@@BigDraco123 556 will dodge it but the 26 is getting nerfed in my opinion. The default class Anti-Material is a dope class, I run that set up for both 556 & 26. Even IAmMarksman made a vid on it

[@jeremybrown9611]

@@getsomebud Mos Def

[@Kuriketto]

Would appreciate the SVA 545 being next. Figured out the "semi-auto" mode is actually 2-round burst and seems to drop the TTK nicely as well as the recoil to practically nothing.

[@brawler5760]

Are you surprised? The SVA 545 is SDG’s cursed AN-94

[@Kuriketto]

@@brawler5760 From what I remember most takes on the AN-94 in COD have been somewhat underwhelming (BO2 was the exception if I recall). This one seems to actually be decent and worth using in burst mode.

[@justindesousa8323]

Great video brother

[@scarletcroc3821]

Reminds me of the ACR from MW3, insanely average all around, but ridiculously low recoil which makes it very easy to hit all your shots

[@StyxYRenegade]

Is the MCW and the ACR the same gun?

[@AlexUgan99]

@@StyxYRenegadeThe MCW is literally an ACR, specifically based on the one in the old MW3 (2011). It just doesn’t have the real name on it for various reasons nowadays.

[@brawler5760]

That’s because it IS the ACR, the legally distinct version.

[@garrisonbroome5525]

I would like to see the FR556 next. It's one of my favorite guns. Loved it in original MW2.

[@shedricklillard65]

We made it, MW3 gun guide is here.

[@Schpoo]

Thank you for the hardcore stats! Always appreciated.

[@Flguy34698]

Great video. I love the MCW, accurate.

[@dew2721]

Ace I love you man, I'm trying to hang in there but this SBMM is killing my drive and energy with this game. Add to that I'm a solo player which makes it legit unbearable. Bullets not registering, never having a full team or start with a full team yet finishing the match and it's 6v3. It's reprehensible.

[@kunimitsune177]

100% my experience so far

[@caffine_nightz]

Yep. Can't get a single good match. My stats are the absolute worst ive ever had. Bullets don't work. Can't see people. Random lag. Always playing people from Puerto Rico & Brazil even though I live in the midwest USA. If its not a technical issue, its the difficulty of my lobbies. I'm a decent player, but damn I am playing against people who don't do anything else. So yeah it's either rigged, something broken, or too difficult.

[@gsf7451]

Thanks a lot ! The MTZ next please 🙏🙏

[@Psiballl]

Hey ace im curious as to whether or not these same best classes are good in zombies or not. Id definitely watch whatever content youd put out for it!

[@tktxlegend4540]

They would work for Zombies, but because Zombies is PvE, you'd be better off maxing out mobility and handling on any weapon you use. Zombies aren't shooting back, and most of your engagements will be in close range where dmg range and recoil won't matter, so having maxed out mobility will significantly improve your survivability. I personally like to build my zombies guns for max tac stance spread reduction, then use whatever slots I have left to boost mobility without hurting my tac stance spread. The reason I recommend max tac stance spread reduction is because if you shoot from tac stance, your aimed mobility will be higher than full ADS, which even further boosts your survivability.

[@emwols]

In zombies you are best off maximizing your magazine and your movement/strafe speed. These builds aren’t made for zombies

[@Werewolf914]

I've been loving the MCW almost got it gold, I'm surprised how it compares to other ARs, I thought it was going to have an above average TTK, this explains why I finished headshots so fast, I'm really bad at games I have terrible aim so usually struggle at getting headshots but I had finished the camo challenge for headshots in just one match

[@sharkbaitjr_9923]

I’m pretty sure the JAK raven kit switches the stock to the collapsed version, which can be attributed to some of that recoil

[@jameskidd2.072]

Statistically reminds me of the Krig 6 from black ops, mid to low tier everything else with amazing recoil

[@1988Catweazle]

Think you should do the SVA next seeing as it’s the one that everyone has unlocked first.

[@lukewu8799]

Nice work Ace but would you mind adding a tac stance build on the guns that requires tac stance kills for camo challenges? That will be so much helpful, thanks.

[@jamesmoore7140]

Thanks for all the work / effort that you do Ace, and thanks for including the Hardcore Stats as well! Glad to see the detailed stats in this game to assist us in making determinations as well. Do wish that Aiming Idle Sway was a more visible stat than just the arrows, but I suppose that's what the Firing Range is there for (amongst other reasons).

[@shawn9256]

My vote for next is Holger 556 but regardless thank you and keep up the amazing content!

[@Binaural0504]

Detailed stats or not I'll always watch these guides and take something positive out of them

[@blainereinsma2423]

The Jak Raven Kit makes no sense. Switching from 5.56 to .300BLK should INCREASE your close range damage and recoil, while decreasing range, bullet velocity, and long range damage. That’s how a .300 bullet compares to a 5.56. I know SHG isn’t the best at attention to details like this but this makes no sense.

[@ReVTacTiicZz]

JUST got my first ever dna bomb using the stealth/strafe build and went on to get 40 gun streak!! (my best ever on any cod- non-infected) and on my 28th birthday no less. Thank you ace!

[@jackal4672]

Thanks for some HC stats again. Cheers

[@mudibluz2006]

Are you experiencing constant lag spikes? I can’t seem to fix it ( had no lag during beta)

[@shadow_spark8788]

I haven't unlocked ACR yet, so for now, my go to AR for long ranges is that knockoff of AN-94. This shit in hyperburst just melting people.

[@elxslve8448]

Honestly love the mcw but man I’m so addicted to the mtz

[@BuzWeaver]

Love this gun in Zombies as it can hold a 60 round mag. Granted, an LMG may be more ideal for Zombies, but this gun is excellent in Zombies.

[@kunimitsune177]

This thing sucks without the jak raven kit tbh. Need that fire rate buff. Even with it, it feels like a pea shooter compared to some of the other assault rifles. Accuracy be damned, I have better luck cross-map with every other AR.

[@MercesaOSRS]

My MCW is at the max lvl, but I dont have half of the suggested attachments, are they from MW2? If so, that sucks major. Is there any way to unlock those attechments?

[@insanepolarbear]

I have a strong love for burst weapons. The DG-58 is awesome. I'd like to see you cover that one down the line.

[@EpicWormy]

nothin like waking up with some Holger in your cup.

[@AlbertoEntertainment]

Love this gun just most of the time I get tons if hit markers. Scumpy updated his MCW class yesterday and it really does shred.

[@mariedioa]

Thanks for including a stealth build !

[@Knights_of_the_Nine]

It's gonna be tough doing all these weapons! Good luck.

[@E90_Alpine_White]

Ace, are you planning on doing any gun guides on the MWII guns within MW3, maybe after all the new guns are done?

[@gam3fr33k]

Hey Ace, are you going to include the barrels impact on ranges, recoil, ads going forward?

[@jarrettbest4592]

the holger 4 shot kill range is yes apparently

[@WillA2oh6]

Make a video on the DB58. One burst sometimes, mostly a 2 burst. The bursts are so fast it feels like it’s fully auto. It shreds

[@mostner7]

This is an incredible breakdown. Super pumped to try the max accuracy build soon

[@beastdude27]

I would love to see the SVA mainly to see what changed with it considering in the Beta it was really bad.

[@SunlightSee]

I really dont like to complain, but is anyone else less than thrilled that one of todays dauly challenges was Kill 3 Operators Without Taking Damage 10 Times? If thst were for a camo, sure. But daily challenge to unlock gear and perks? I know this isn't the subject of the video but Ace has influence and I cant imagine there not being outcry that they locked gear and perks behind such an Anti-PTO challenge.

[@calicopiratecat]

I need try this one, but my favourite is G36

[@icy1172]

Will you be covering MW2 weapons after the MW3 weapons?

[@Brandon_501]

It honestly doesnt even matter how you configure the gun. The better the gun, the better your performance for one round, then sbmm makes you suffer lmao.

[@nicodemosp]

Great guide as usual. Will you be covering the MW2 guns as well? Given that their stats have changed to fit in with the new game?

[@AliFOJ5]

MCW is the first gun I’ve maxed out. Really love it but the ttk is slow. Headshots are defo needed with this which is easier because of its accuracy

[@xpress6966]

Do the 545 next!!

[@LB-HEARTLESS]

Love this kind of vidéo. For all méta.... 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@MG-uj8qo]

Please cover the 545, and how to level guns up quicker.

[@MH-jg6vk]

Damn, I was most looking forward to barrel attachments

[@KCBudz]

Yep the holger is broken. The burst rifles are crazy too

[@the_lifeoftimbo]

Hey Ace over course of the year can you make a playlist on weapon balancing updates?

[@TheXclusiveAce]

Yes! I plan to organize that better this year

[@aslag94]

Are we certain that the detailed stats presented by the gunsmith menu are completely accurate?

[@jimmessi]

Could you maybe test some of the ammunitions? a lot of the pros are running the high velocity rounds and it might be placebo but it feels way stronger

[@2REAL2bFAKE]

- Ace I can’t tell you how much your gun guides are my favorite series on youtube . Thank you .

[@bobfranklin2572]

Got this one out the door FAST 😮

[@maksimslhernault4042]

can you also do tac stance builds because those can be very powerful and accurate if built right

[@davidlashin2807]

Ive been having crazy desync, hit-reg and TTK/TTD issues, dying in 2 bullets and everyone else seems like a sponge. The beta felt way better and i hope this is something they are aware of. Also having a weird issue with attachments disappearing in the gunsmith and having nothing to choose from.

[@Ornobz]

The gun fights feel really inconsistent to me. ARs killing too fast in smg range

[@DeadSpacedOut]

The only good SMG i've tried so far is the Striker-9 and even that one isn't as good as the Holger or MCW, really. I've heard that the WSP-9 I think, which is like the big boy Uzi, is pretty good, but i've not used it yet in MP. Also Shotguns need a buff, at least the Riveter anyways, I get outgunned by AR's at close range when I used the Riveter, even though I think it's actually been buffed since the Beta lol

[@Ornobz]

@@DeadSpacedOut I have used wsp 9 and it's mediocre. AR still reigns supreme at all ranges. What's sad is sometimes you demp an entire mag on an enemy and they don't die but they kill you in 2 bullets! Wtf?

[@roar104]

​@@DeadSpacedOutshotguns got shit on across the board. MW22 ones especially. Goomie covered it in a recent vid. Their ranges are GUTTED and the 680 has better one hit ranges than double trigger Lockwood lol

[@wxl2562]

​@@DeadSpacedOutthe WSP / UZI only really benefits from the .45 Auto conversion mod you get from the armory. The thing becomes a pocket rifle and hits hard at longer ranges. The only SMG I've used that feels consistent is the Striker 9, not as much damage, but between the fire rate and recoil, it's a pretty balanced pick for CQB. Personally I'm liking the APC9, definitely not going to be a meta pick, but it's fun to use and customize.

[@DeadSpacedOut]

@@roar104 Yeah, the Lockwood 680 kinda seems like the only good shotgun, though the Haymaker seemed... okay I guess. I haven't tried the MW2 Shotguns outside of the Double Trigger Lockwood, which is just... just... horrible.

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the intial recoil on the kit is bad yeah but past that i really like it