The MF Endgame Grenade Veteran Guide 2025 | True Solo/Havoc 40 Build & Gameplay | 40k Darktide

[@ArmanGT]

its good seeing a build centered around "what do i need when shit goes down" same strat i used for my worlds first / worlds only videos on destiny2, i build for the worst situations..not some generic "oh wow i kill everything!" build

[@Big-Dom]

I definitely gotta check those out, definitely not the same game while similar in things for sure, there will definitely be some cross over strategies i can learn ! i very much agree at some point i definitely feel like i have "enough" damage especially with an aoe/mobility centered build and i'd rather tap into other metrics like survivability/utility etc, i appreciate the comment amigo! God bless :)

[@sorina9130]

Twinned blast pretty underrated i used it in havoc and its great especially with both nade generating perks

[@Big-Dom]

I very much agree ! I do agree it can get less value and perhaps not worth it (IF NOT ANYTHING FUN THO?) in auric maelstrom and below, but i truly believe grenade veteran thrives and shines in havoc with the increased enemy density, If it interests you my latest video is the same gameplay as this guide just a longer version! I appreciate your time and support amigo, God bless :)

[@Big-Dom]

Thanks for stopping by, i appreciate your time and support! Don't forget to stay to the end for the scoreboard for numbers! We very much played around the psyker on dark communion i play with these boys regularly and we have enough trust, that i ping where to go most of the run, but when voldy pings we immediately adjust to where he wants us to be to maximise his staff for dps, team work makes the dream work! ALSO full transparency, i died very early on in the havoc 40 gameplay, i had some IRL things come up and had to leave my pc in the middle of the first horde, well done to the boys for getting through it so we could continue when i was sorted ! Another note, for the final variant of survivalist you can replace a stamina delay node + field improv to gain access to grenadier instead, choice is yours, pick your favourite, we all have different playstyles, also taking away a single stamina regen for reciprocity to hit 1/2 crit breakpoints (50%) is also a fantastic option that i forgot to mention (i don't think desperado is needed 60% crit doesn't add enough imho) and lastly, the variant used in the true solo video in the link and gameplay was the trench fighter variant 10% AS (-grenadier + crit chance node) in case you're wondering, i do prefer the +1 grenade variant i showed off first though currently ALSO HOLY SHIT THE CLIPPING OF THAT BACKPACK?!?!?! Fatshark pls. As always Shout Out to the team at the end of the gameplay, team work makes the dream work, and they know they are but i'll say it again, it's always my pleasure gaming with them :) Thank you all again for the support and love, God bless, good luck and look after yourselves :) Edit: just wanna clarify for anyone who doesn't know damage resistance gunners works vs scab/dreg gunners and reapers, not the trash shooters :)

[@d.w.s.robinson9487]

Thank you so much for this video. So much information and knowledge about the game I was unaware of 900 hours in.

[@Big-Dom]

It is my pleasure amigo ! I appreciate your time, comment and support :) let me know how it goes it your games ! God bless

[@LazyLash]

The way that you've built the talent tree at the bottom is really interesting. It's super nice to play vet with way less stam delay. I wasn't really sure the first time I saw it because it seems super simple for a build, but it's really nice to play and to have a teammate with that build. It's awesome.

[@Big-Dom]

It can seem very counter intuitive, but i'm of the opinion that mobility is the most important stat, that's not to say ONLY build around it, but the difference those 2 nodes make is night and day for mobility but also the push attack on some weapons, It has so many applications as well, stamina breaks while rezing a teammate? It's ok cause you will regain stamina before the next attack so you can just rez anyway, more dps like i said with push attacks, perma stamina to reposition, in a clutch situation being able to loop with 100% constant stamina makes it much easier to lead the horde away then come back for a rez, Focus target + target down, does achieve a similar effect but not as strong, it's caveat is that it works for the team, but the stam delay nodes + duck n dive are much stronger from a self POV Thank you for the comment and support amigo, i appreciate your time! Good luck in your games and God bless :) Edit: just thought i'd mention i have a longer version of this games' gameplay uploading today if you're interested !

[@Zuggaguz]

Very interesting build, I'll definitely try it out. Next you need to upload a True solo havoc 40 run as the title suggests!

[@Big-Dom]

I plan on starting a true solo playlist very soon ! uncut daily upload win or "best" loss just give some fresh content and if people are interested in watching me improve :) for the record i meant true solo auric maelstrom which i mention in video! and havoc 40 standard team games, ALTHOUGH i have completed havoc 30 true solo with this or a variant of the main build, but nothing higher, will play some more and get more recordings asap :)

[@Zuggaguz]

@Big-Dom I'm looking forward to it, I'm quite confident if you could do a lvl30 that you can do a lvl40 as well. Just a matter of map and modifiers. Remember to upload the whole run, no need for edits ;)

[@Big-Dom]

@@Zuggaguz Appreciate the vote of confidence my friend ! I'll have to get started on it soon ! I have 2-3 more "build videos" planned first and a couple of recordings of backlog, but after that i'm pretty much sweet to commit to a true solo playlist ! :) God bless amigo, i will probably do both uncut and cut videos just for the sake of viewership it does help the channel but like i mentioned to another user i completely 100% understand wanting to see uncut, i just do my best to keep the important stuff in, like scoreboard at the start and end, and everything should more or less line up it's pretty hard to recreate the exact same scenarios in DT :)

[@traderjo9552]

Dope vids, would be nice to see some more builds and include the other classes and see what you come up with

[@Big-Dom]

I do have another grenade build coming ! Big Doms Big Game Hunter :) More so a fun but effective build for the new event ! I won't lie i play the other classes especially now FAR less than veteran, but i'll see what i can do in future ! i appreciate your time and support amigo God bless :)

[@Outkry444]

Big ups to twinned blast!!💥

[@Big-Dom]

TB Gang Rising !!

[@enriquekomadina9015]

Solid guide 💪

[@Big-Dom]

Much appreciated ! God bless :)

[@Ragehaven]

Looks fun. I'll give it a shot

[@Big-Dom]

Good luck amigo ! Let me know how it goes :)

[@Ragehaven]

@Big-Dom gave it ago. It's good fun

[@Big-Dom]

@@Ragehaven That's what we like to hear ! Hopefully it continues to give you success and i hope you're having fun with it ! God bless :)

[@Ragehaven]

@Big-Dom the only thing i find and it's a personal thing is i can't get away with the knife. Prefer the chain or duelling sword. And you to bud 👍🏻

[@Big-Dom]

@@Ragehaven That's not a problem mate ! Any melee weapon works really, the most important things are grenade tinkerer + bolt pistols lethal proximity, the chain axe/dueling sword both work more than fine, power sword, shovel, shockmaul, are other good recommendations, ideally you're looking for rending + damage blessings, not all work with grenades but most do, on the chain axe i recommend opportunist + slaughterer/bloodletter, opportunist will give rending to the bleed as long as they remain staggered, and slaughterer improves bleed damage as well ! Good luck amigo :)

[@Ebium-v7f]

is there a specific reason why you are using the mk6 knife over dsword and end up speccing your whole tree around it? with dsword you could get reciprocity and desperado and take an extra 25 toughness node instead of the reduced regen delay nodes

[@Big-Dom]

Preference, knife is still the mobility king, and i most definitely do not spec my whole tree around it? I'm speccing around mobility and grenades, because grenade veteran is not a crit build, even with riposte, reciprocity AND desperado, more or less crit maxing on veteran, i crit for 8-11% of all total damage ticks, Remember this is an AOE bleed build, and bleed CANNOT crit, after hundreds of hours of specifically grenade vet, i'm not sold on crit AT ALL, the build has more than enough damage so i'd rather tech into mobility, because as you see in the video i can sprint spam everywhere, DS and left side of WS tree cannot do this, If i wanted damage i'd just go the power sword as well it does far more than the DS ever could in havoc 40 :) Don't get baited by crit on an aoe bleed build when most of your damage cannot crit! You can also check my 3rd most recent post in the community tab, with 20% crit, 1.1% of my total damage ticks crit, NOT WORTH!!!

[@thatblank9036]

It's a shame the stamin regen cooldown nodes are so far apart on the tree, you either spend extra nodes just to get them or you need to just deal with slower stamina regen. Yea the little bit of stamina regen is the most significant on the knife's stab combo, but you can just really feel the stamina regen starting earlier even on other weapons which makes IMO psyker the nicest character to play overall. Knife also takes out the other mobility handicaps psyker normally has so the knife having such a good free combo for psyker just makes it extra worth it. Also, your last vid where you mentioned the blast radious blessing effecting nades was really cool and i appriciate the tip. Would be cool if it also worked on immolation nades too and not just stun storm. Channels that show people and tell people about cool little mechanics and details like that, are why i watch YT vids about games I play. Keep up the good work

[@Big-Dom]

i 100% agree it really hinders the veteran in the absolute hardest content, and i 100% also agree with psyker in the video i show more the psyker-esque version, more stamina, less crit but consistent and mobile enough, if you swap a single stamina node, and take reciprocity it's much closer to zealot hitting an easy 50% crit break point but you gain zealot stam regen, which is definitely much nicer, but also no where near as nice as the double up, still torn between the 50+ and 1 node or double node, but i do play the double stamina node much more right now, You're more than welcome amigo ! That's a shame that it doesn't i wonder what they are coded as, Thank you my friend ! I very much appreciate the kind words, i'll try my best ! God bless and look after yourself :)

[@EliteHUntiNG23]

really fun nade build 👍

[@Big-Dom]

Thank you my friend, i appreciate your time and support, i hope to see you stay around :) God bless and good luck in your games amigo !

[@Freaknovitch]

have you tried running mercy killer on the knife? it should work well since everything is going to be bleeding from shredders

[@Big-Dom]

I have and if you like it, i definitely recommend it, i used it with uncanny strike, i just prefer keeping the uptime on bleed as the damage it does stacks quite quickly both in literal stacks and in damage :)

[@kevink6265]

Thanks for the build. I did spec out from your earlier video, haven't tried it in havoc yet though, the zoomer play style isn't my usual MO, so I need more practice. In higher havoc do think you get benefit from field improv? I've never tried it and I heard it gives out less nades, just like the ammo.

[@Big-Dom]

Not a problem amigo ! And not a problem it's there to be a foundational build for grenade veteran, i VERY MUCH encourage you to explore and refine your own style :) and very much so, in my second video (the deamonhost TN) there is part where we get caught out by a massive patrol + horde spawn, and got gassed, between bubble/chorus/field improv, we ain't going anywhere , ammo crates help flamer zealots or ogryns replenish some nades (in higher havoc they understand to be very conservative with grenades) or it's usually just being eaten up by the "ammo goblin" ie. plasma vet/flamer zealot etc if i'm going my original team based build (which is still the most consistent for me as well for team play) 100% field improv is great even in havoc 40 but timing is key, but i wouldn't consider it a "MUST" if that answers your question Thank you for your time and support amigo, God bless and take care ! :)

[@sofieroa908]

Guess what gang this my cuz fr fr lolz lmao woof

[@avalon2902]

Massive like and mad respect for a well-planned guide and build Dom 💯! Tried this out and worked wonders esp for the big boys event going on 🤣. Question for a minor detail, whats your bindings for dodge and crouch?

[@Big-Dom]

Thank you brother that means alot considering how much time goes into all things considered, i appreciate you ! Glad to hear you're doing well with amigo ! I was thinking the same thing, i blasted through the event, whipped out a for fun build, definitely think i might make a video on that if people want a more flavourful build for dodge i use space bar and crouch/slide is on mb4 ! Thank you for your time and support brother, it means alot to me :) God bless and look after yourself !

[@Cederlof_Ink]

Love the build, mate. Im curious for havoc, i haven't touched havoc yet, mostly just do auric, do you do havoc with randoms (party finder) or do you have a group of frirnds?

[@Big-Dom]

Thank you for the kind words amigo ! Both truthfully i would say far more party finder for sure, but for example the game shown here we're all on each others friends list but we all joined through party finder :) i recommend just adding some people you get along with and at a similar skill level, most of my DT buds were met through havoc ironically enough, just meeting them through party finder, having a good game with them, now we just jam some games if it lines up ! i'd say 80% of my total games are pubs/party finder, the other 20% i have a bunch of dt mates already on and just send invites to see who wants to play :) Good luck in your havoc journey my friend ! God bless

[@Jaytron40k]

Excited to try this build out! Because the build sort of revolves around grenade generation, does it lose some effectiveness on lower than Auric Damnation? I feel like regular chill-nation doesn't have enough elites to fuel nades? But I guess you don't even need them that much

[@Big-Dom]

Not really to be honest, because at lower difficulties the enemy has less hp, but your shredders still do the same damage, and they are still highly effective in havoc 40, so you end up just deleting everything still, the trick is using shredders sparingly when there isn't an elite/special wave, grenade vet does require practice to get better at it, you need to learn good grenade economy if that makes sense at all levels of difficulty, think of grenade veteran as miracle rogue from hearthstone tcg early on, the more set up and preparation you give it the better it will carry you, if you use your combo cards badly you will probably flop, ammo crates, redstims, 4 grenades in pocket etc is your set up, get used to playing around demo stockpile to eat up a free grenade constantly ! In lower difficulties grenades just straight up delete anything not a crusher lmao :') I appreciate your comment and support though amigo ! Don't be afraid to ask any questions regarding grenade vet my friend, i wish you the best of luck ! God bless :)

[@Jaytron40k]

@@Big-Dom Thanks so much! I sometimes take a "vacation" in regular Damnation when I just wanna chill. So I was slightly worried of the lack of demo-team procs. Learning grenade economy I think will be a big learning curve, because on Psyker and Zealot, I don't think about it at all. However, that'll hopefully make the "shout bot" feel of vet a bit more engaging. How has lacerate felt? I feel like the counter argument is always: "you should be hitting heads" but is the reality of hectic games, often not being able to? Appreciate your answer, looking forward to seeing more of your content in the future! PS: Love the miracle rogue reference/analogy. I played a good amount of that and Storm in M:TG.

[@Big-Dom]

@ Yeh i feel you amigo no stress there! I very much do the same and use auric as my "vacation" ! And no need to worry, i think you'll get the hang of it, but again grenade vet does do better the higher the intensity 100% The easiest tip is always try to play around 3 grenades and demo stock pile, a free grenade every 60 seconds to help thin patrols does help, you never want to engage a patrol/horde without at least one grenade, and don't be afraid to pick up grenades in your run, +4 shredders is no joke I don't run crit often, and bleed cannot crit like soulblaze and burning, so after a bunch of testing just like you said, i crit rarely cause most of the damage is in aoe bleed, and even when i do go a crit set up, bleed doesn't use weakspot to calculate damage it uses the torso, and again like you said in the hecticness of a game, you hit far less heads than you think, if you do have crit in your build flesh tearer is definitely better, but again i often don't have more than 20-25% so i stick with lacerate to keep bleed uptime And i'm glad you get that reference it will make the transition to grenade vet much easier ! Always get stuck into combat, make sure you have the coherency aura on alot, the biggest thing is making sure you have your allies helping you proc them, like i said it requires practice and set up to understand when to "farm" your grenades, and when to go "all in" and delete that gunner pack, in most if not all of my games i BY FAR have the most ranged elite kills as you should with grenade vet, it is still your job to handle ranged units + specials you just do it with grenades + melee ! Thank you for support and praise my friend ! I look forward to catching you in future videos, God bless :)

[@timothyadams4477]

Very cool! What is the knife combo you're doing?

[@Big-Dom]

Depends on the situation really but - - usually push attack mostly especially with the extra stamina delay nodes, - if i'm out of stamina lights on the body or - heavies on the head depending on the situation - Heavy > punch > light staggers maulers - your push attack can stagger ragers - your push attack can interrupt combos - light light > push attack is good for controlling hordes - i dont remember which heavy it is (i use visual cues) but you can combo a heavy > light combo for nice horizontal sweeps i'm sure i missed heaps off the top of my head but i plan on releasing a proper knife guide (quite 5 minute guide kinda video) in the near future, alot of knife is always trying to make sure you have somewhere to go, using push attacks against big targets, light light push attack or heavy > light (you'll know which one after testing a bit) for hordes, heavy attacks to lunge for movement, and heavy attacks on big dudes when low stamina, or to combo with punch, heavy > punch > light > push attacks is how i open on most enemies if i get the ideal situation

[@timothyadams4477]

@@Big-Dom 400 hours in, completed havoc 40 etc and I didn't realize you could hold block and spam push attacks. This is going to up my melee game a ton if my fingers and wrists don't fall off first.

[@Big-Dom]

@@timothyadams4477 Oh no ! You've been missing out my friend ! Especially on a weapon that has such a good push attack (mark 6 knife etc) and 100% it will, a lot of weapon push attacks can stagger enemies mid combo as well (not all but a good chunk, each weapon is a lil different), so remember that push/push attacks are REALLY important in darktide :) I definitely did use to feel it, just gotta get use to it more and build up them wrist/finger muscles ! when you do want a break though the power sword works great for this build as well :)

[@DaithiSan]

how do i go up in the havoc mode new and dumb lol also how do you do the stab combo? on controller our light heavy is the same button we hold for heavy

[@Big-Dom]

first you will get a mission from the commissar dukane, complete a maelstrom mission ( i recommend auric maelstrom, since havoc will be harder eventually anyway, at least test your mettle there first ) after that go back to dukane to complete the quest/mission, you may need to restart/relog to update on fatsharks backend, then return to the havoc terminal and play through missions to rank up, either by hosting your own assignments or joining anothers, i recommend using your own so you comfortable fall into where you should be and work your way up ! Each week it will use your highest assignment rank and that will be your havoc rank, sorry if i didn't touch on everything there my friend, but that should sort you out, and same on PC i press left mouse button for light attacks, and hold it for heavies :)

[@DaithiSan]

@@Big-Domcheers mate, no I that was simply explained tyvm, just can’t seem to do those heavy stabs Edit: Figured it out, it was the wrong knife mark! i’m a idiot xD

[@Big-Dom]

@@DaithiSan AHAHAHA it happens to the best of us amigo :') Glad you got it sorted !

[@andyozFace]

Do you need to switch to the gun to proc the blessing when you throw grenades. Always ran reciprocity on vet. Is this build better?

[@Big-Dom]

Not at all, consider the "explosion radius increases by 25%" as an extra talent point, it is active at ALL times! I believe so, i think reciprocity is great and if you want to play more into that i definitely recommend it, my problem is, bleed cannot crit, and the VAST majority of this grenade veterans damage comes via aoe bleed, it will help and feel nice on the melee weapons, but you have so much damage already a few extra crits doesn't add much compared to the raw survivability this build has due to perma stamina, If you like reciprocity, i suggest taking a look at my big game hunter build, i have a few builds there that take reciprocity, To give an example when i was running a riposte/desperado, reciprocity crit knife build had 70% + crit, after a 35-40 minute Havoc40 game ~11% of my total damage procs were crits, with 50% crit ~8% of my total damage procs were crits, and lastly if you check my recent community posts where i got havoc 40 this week with 20% crit in my build i crit for 1.1% of all damage procs, crit is powerful, crit is great, just not on this build in my opinion there are better ways to ramp your bleed damage, i apologise for the long response but i hope that answers your question ! I appreciate your time and support, God bless :)

[@АлександрКуприн-ъ8ш]

I have build close to that one, I really like it, even without all that focus on greandes, frags is good, but with that one, i got out of some very sticky situations, like being surrounded near wall by cushers and bulwarks. I nearly finished all penances for vet, just one remain, i will then return to grenadier build.

[@DrJazz613]

Holy run-on sentence Batman!

[@TheOneTrueStAN]

​@@DrJazz613 Winge, winge, winge. Stow it.

[@АлександрКуприн-ъ8ш]

UPD: i tried it. It's way better than 1st with focused target. It really would better for clutch or true solo, i didn't change my curious, i prefer them as is, combat ability regen, toughness , two stamina regen and one sprint efficency, but just adding these talent points for stamina regen delay reduction, really makes runnig away easier or running into crusher overhead '_' . Sacrificing survivalist for the worst vet aura, saves one point, bolt pistol is a bad weapon, so not much ammo used, it's easier to slice or blow up enemies. Not sure if it would be good for melee only scab modifier, especially if some teammates use a lot of ammo, i would switch auras for such missions. Overall the way i see, after playing with several variations, core of this build is: blessing and talent that increase radious of blast, talents that restore grenades, uncanny strike, everything else can be changed towards player preferences or mission parameters.

[@Big-Dom]

​@@АлександрКуприн-ъ8ш My apologies my friend, i thought i replied to your first comment but i must have closed the tab by accident, and definitely, this build is definietly more build towards staying alive but as effective as possible especially because veteran has nothing like holy revenant or empathic visions in his talent tree, you really have to try to minimise ANY potential mistake , cause one is all it takes to kark it! i definitely DO have to play around with block efficiency more actually, i definitely think i take 3x toughness perks just out of habit, not cause i actually need it anymore, i''ll chuck on some block perks and do more testing ! I don't personally like sprint efficiency cause with the stamina nodes it is pretty useless, it doesn't affect how fast we are, we just get a bit more distance per stamina cost, but this build already costs 0 stamina to sprint/slide :) the extra point it saves is definitely worth it, especially since like i said even in scab only true solos i challenge myself to the heavy melee playstyle, trial by fire baby ! i'll happily upload a true solo scab only melee no ammo modifier, just need to prioritise enemies much more, over time you really learn that you don't have to rely on your ranged weapon as much as you think, it just makes it easier More or less correct, it is an aoe dps build, but the last thing you're missing is the mobility ! between the stamina nodes + duck and dive i'm very much a speed boy i may not be THE fastest but the sheer amount of stamina uptime allows me to be where i want to be, that is the most important part of a melee build ! also definitely disagree on bolt pistol being a bad weapon, what metrics are you using to come to that conclusion, especially combined with lethal proximity stagger in close range, it's an EXTREMELY safe weapon and don't remember back to stamina (because that is a massive part of this build) more push attacks with knife ! And lastly don't forget with the build the way i got it set up, i use superiority comples + elite damage on weapons + fire team = 30% damage to elites it definitely adds up there are different profiles, ie ranged/melee/raw damage but it does all add up ! I appreciate your comments and you coming back amigo ! God bless and look after yourself, don't feel afraid to hit me with some ideas i'll definitely take it back to the drawing board and playing field :) God bless amigo

[@Big-Dom]

@@DrJazz613 took me a moment but i got there, i think !

[@mikoajguzek9667]

I'd still argue that there are better talents to pick than twinned blast. It would be takeble maybe at 33% chance, at 20% it generates maybe 10 nades for mission at best and is to unreliable to count for it to work when you need it most.

[@Big-Dom]

I appreciate your time and comment my friend ! And i believe we are going to very much disagree here, it's a very simple theoretical vs practical analogy that i talked about in the video, just in the 2-3 minutes of clips i showed i proccd tb like 4-5 times, and mind you, you didn't see the other 30-40 minutes of the run, i'm sure you can imagine how many more i actually threw far closer to 30-50+ i'll probably re watch the game to give you exact numbers, but "maybe 10" is extremely unrealistic, on top of that going back to my point combining with grenadier + 1 it allows for alot more consistent double nade combos if you're playing around a tb opener or tb second when it procs, if miracle rogue from hearthstone s1 rings any bells, that's essentially what this build is :) And if not tb then what would you recommend, cause i'm definitely not just gonna run 29 talent points, just cause ! I also feel like the actual damage of tb proc is severely underestimated since shredders do 8 ticks of damage, a single tb is 12 stacks of bleed ticking 14-16 times down (depending on fuse timers), instead of 6 stacks ticking 8 times down i highly recommend cause again what is the replacement then ? Especially when the entire premise of the build is aoe bleed (like soulblaze inferno/trauma staff) another thing is to not forget how much actual aoe i'm getting with lethal proximity + grenade tinkerer, you cannot take TB at face value in this build, you really MUST play with it over many games to understand 1) how to play grenade veteran it's alot more nuanced than people think, 2) realise how important TB is to the gameplay loop especially in horde + patrol combos and grenade generation + conservation, conserving grenades with a TB proc is just as powerful as demo team having proc'd to replenish a grenade back, I hope that makes sense, but again do try it over many games, and start writing it down/taking actual notice of how many times tb procs and how many times you didnt have to throw another nade because of it, and if you do have another recommendation to replace the node with let me know, i'm never scared to say i was wrong and readjust :) God bless and i appreciate your time amigo

[@mikoajguzek9667]

@Big-Dom For the main build I'd much rather take field improv. It still can provide a few grenades but is extremely useful in havoc due to cleansing corruption. In your previous build with a focus target keystone I switched twinned blast to redirect fire and it works for me. I just personally don't like to rely on luck-based talents. The only exception is demolition team which has amazing value and can sometimes provide infinite grenades when dealing with a horde of ragers. But still, it's just an opinion. I have only around 100 lvls on my vet, so I'm not an expert by any means.

[@Big-Dom]

@@mikoajguzek9667 I agree with field improv being good, but with this build you can take away a single stamina node instead i think it provides much more value, and while the corruption removal is nice, it's really not there for that, typically in higher havoc that is what the zealot is for, or just learning to play around tbs/gas better as in falling back, pushing harder etc well that's the exact reason i like tb ! when tb procs on second throw it generates + 1 nade, when TB procs on first throw is generates +2 because of the generation of TB (obviously) but another through conservation of not needing to follow up with a second grenade ! everytime TB procs on first throw it actually generates +2 grenades think about it like that, take notice in your games of that application, then count and compare to demo team, you will be surprised ! And i'll happily test and try everything, but those i already have i definitely see value in field improv for sure, i like with survivalist and like i mentioned, it was how i started on vet, but i DO believe as you get better (myself included) you really start to minimise the little mistakes (like a split second on blight spreads) when you do you realise the extra damage from TB far surpasses field improv, but field improv will forever be a great EMERGENCY node, if you have the time, suss out my "terrors stalk the night" video around 3 minutes in iirc we get ambushed by a horde + patrol and we get gas bombed, MOMENTS like that are EXACTLY why i think field improv has huge value, combined with other things it becomes extremely difficult to die (bubble, improv, chorus, shout, taunt etc etc) Again everyone has different playstyles if that works and brings you the most success than stick with it ! (why fix something that aint broke!) :)

[@mathewsoska4058]

If I'm not mistaken someone made a detailed video exactly like this to the Tee......

[@Big-Dom]

I won't lie i'm not sure if this is sarcasm :') if i did it was not my intention to copy someone else AT ALL if you could show me the video you're talking about i'll definitely have a look, for the record i'm sure there are other no keystone veteran builds out there but this is just my take, i apologise for any confusion my friend God bless :)

[@MrWhitelight54]

@@Big-Dom I also had thought I saw a similar grenade vet video but after checking my history it was you, your video from january 10.

[@Big-Dom]

@ I wanted to make sure ! I'm just glad it was sorted out, i thought it was sarcasm and it was you guys talking about my other video ! :)

[@LoganChaplin-w3b]

How you find games there not even anyone on

[@Big-Dom]

Usually host if i'm gonna play :)

[@michalkrasnodebski8709]

wait... small bolter increase grande radious with the right perk ? that is kinda weird xD

[@Big-Dom]

Not at all! these dual purpose blessings came out in the unlocked and unloaded patch, if you use the shockmaul and run falter it improves ranged stagger, meaning you can go no respite on a lasgun for IE. and save an extra blessing :) meaning your lasgun technically gets 3 blessings ! just like the new relic blade working completely different to the veteran power sword, despite both being power swords xD It was just the theme of that patch :)

[@michalkrasnodebski8709]

@@Big-Dom damn that's cool AF u should do video about it, im not sure if I saw a single vid talking about those combinations

[@Big-Dom]

@ Thank you for the idea amigo ! i'll definitely look into it, and see if i can find some more cool things for you :) thank you for your time my friend i appreciate you, God bless