The Mike Wallace Interview with Ayn Rand

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"Novelist Ayn Rand talks with Wallace about the personal philosophy underpinning her books The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, as well as the economy, welfare, the American political system, and taxes."
Originally broadcast 1959.
Posted with permission of The Mike Wallace Interview Collection, Harry Ransom Center, University of Texas at Austin, and Bentley Historical Library, University of Michigan.
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[@colinmerritt7645]

See that? It was obvious Wallace disagreed with her, but he remained respectful, gave her every opportunity to think and respond, and didn't try to shut her down. THIS is how you conduct an interview.

[@bettyh3747]

Yes, no hate speech here

[@moniqueengleman873]

That is my age group. You could agree to disagree. I read, or dragged myself through her books. But never really found common ground.

[@frank124c]

The reason Mike Wallace was such a good interviewer was because he realized the interview was not about him, it was about the person being interviewed. So he gave that person an opportunity to express his or her views as fully as possible.

[@ethimself5064]

I remember the old dats like this vid. Far from this these days

[@jhandle4196]

He knew she was a bitter Russian immigrant when they invited her to be on the show.

[@josephderose320]

The magic in this interview is not that they are speaking with each other, rather, that they are listening to each other - a dying art.

[@donlogan83]

If you think it’s a “dying art”, you’re watching the wrong interviews.

[@Joe1935429]

@@donlogan83 I watch a lot of 'wrong' things

[@DagDebrini]

Having a good listener is a rarity these days.

[@kathytiffin6518]

Who is a good listener & interviewer on American TV?

[@matt3024]

Civility is only *magic" if you are diplomatically challenged .She was STILL a greedy, self- seeing *****!

[@ArtU4All]

This interview is such a brilliant illustration to what degree journalism TODAY has degraded.

[@charwest9449]

"Journalists" today engage in PROPAGANDA ADVOCACY not journalism.

[@Renee795-gk6rq]

This is journalism - not a bought and paid for clown - a true journalist. Kudos to Wallace.

[@arikwolf3777]

True, but in playing devil's advocate to Ayn Rand arguments, his democrat view came out. Still, we need more like him (and Walter Cronkite) today because her prediction of a state dictatorship is stating to come true.

[@micuentaparaforosycosas3484]

​@@arikwolf3777mmmmm, "starting"? Now it's more obvious, but iit has been since a while...

[@danielwnorowski2553]

Dying or dead art

[@JP-ud7xq]

Too bad Chris Wallace, his son didn't inherit his dad's intellect!

[@alexdubov6159]

@@JP-ud7xq Not really, it is an evolving thing (Mike Wallace would have turned into Chris Wallace these days) as Ms. Rand predicted.

[@ThomasPerkov]

If this was the standard for interviews on television I would own a television.

[@jxschw]

I don't like internet acronyms. I laughed out loud at your comment. Good work.

[@tdunph4250]

The person who could conduct a interview properly was Johnny Carson

[@babapur3255]

This was the standard of Western civilization in general

[@davitofarito]

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[@rodneyoneil2812]

As A Matter Of Fact I Do!!!;

[@timprescott4634]

“May I interrupt now.” Not said with anger, vice, or snarky sarcasm.

[@paulgodson798]

Those were the days where people really had patience.

[@aaronm.3581]

He was a tad snarky.

[@prod3362]

He is a little hostile for no reason

[@rocknrolltunes1313]

@@prod3362 I would be more than a little hostile if I was in the presence of a wackadoodle. Intelligence alone does not make a human being.

[@warpartyattheoutpost4987]

... and he didn't do the commie tap dance like Colbert.

[@georgesongwe267]

"I am in love with him selfishly" There's a lot honesty in that

[@AbsbsjdbZhahebsjs]

Yes, this works with individual social systems, not in government.

[@SingingPupRecords]

Fascinating. Wonderful conversation because Mike W is actually asking difficult questions but allowing her to answer, giving her a platform. Unlike today's "journalists", he closed out the segment with a footnote that encouraged open-mindedness rather than a discrediting statement to which the guest could not respond.

[@pouetpouetdaddy5]

they were journalist, now rhey are activist

[@YougottabeDryhumpinme]

Chris Wallace, his pathetic Marxist son, is ruinous for journalism.

[@balto20002]

That's because there was a stability in that era that does NOT exist now. So Wallace - and what would be derided today as the media elite - did not have a concern that Rand and her followers could bring the system down.

[@dennisalbrecht6438]

Today we have very few journalists. We have activists.

[@edwardr5051]

@@balto20002 Here's a question- how much of that instability is produced or promoted by today's propagandizing media?

[@anonymous-yg1hy]

It really says something about our current state of affairs that most of the comments are about the quality of the interview rather than the merits of the ideas being discussed.

[@nightwind7022]

One could add to that that the quality of the ideas were also a lot higher.

[@DSnake655]

Very good point.

[@user-uy3pl8gp4u]

Agreed. I was eager to read people's thoughts on Objectivism but...

[@wayneenterprises77]

I don't agree with her on all things.....but she wasn't wrong about the collectivists leading us to tyranny and dictatorship

[@robynalvin2849]

Y E S !!!!!!!!

[@denniscuzic5085]

This guy’s puffing away on a cigarette and he’s still a thousand times more professional than tv interviewers todays.

[@gopherstate777]

That was the sponsor of the program. I believe it was Phillip Morris.

[@MalcolmNessGranger]

As if smoking on live TV is immoral... ffs, yes its unhealthy but good god have we pussified in years. Everything is immoral, every word is racist or taken as suggestive / out of contex.

[@denniscuzic5085]

Nothing immoral but it isn’t very professional, you have to admit. I’ve been smoking since I was a kid but I still don’t want the dentist to have a Lucky dangling while he’s fitting me for a crown.

[@Kristin5059]

Including his worthless son!

[@n.miller907]

He lived until 93. Maybe if he didn't smoke he would have lived until at least 95.

[@artworkbysteve1]

Whats scary is now 2023 she has proven to be 100% correct. We are in a mess , Government control is out of control .

[@mollallamaru4101]

Nop. What is scary is some of her points where true back there and now those points are invalid. Then some of her points which where not true are valid today. For example her political stand where she was true when it comes to the individual right over the group. The opposite of what she said back there, today, it is the guiding principal. She was saying the majority should never be in full charge to impose a rule over the minority. Today, there is no room for the individual and it is all about group ideology. You can't have your own opinions if they clash with the majority. Similarly she was saying the industrialist are the backbone of economy. She said government protected monopoly will kill freedom and the true meaning of Capitalism. We'll today, the financial moguls control everything, our economy is no longer lead by industrialist that create value, then jobs, and then growth. Today government protected financial conglomerates control everything. They invest capital on capital: no value, no new job, no asset, just buy capital then sell capital. This in fact will be the main reason for our soon to come downfall. Then the part where she was wrong, which is about man's primary objective should be self centered determinism, is now is the dominant philosophy. We no longer uphold Transcendental Notions, we no longer value objective rationals. We are a decadent society in love with subjective, localised, materialistic hubris. God, how can we be like this. The part she was right is wrong now, and the part she was wrong is right now.

[@neoxyte]

How was she 100% correct? The level of cognitive dissonance is this comment is hilarious.

[@jeffmullinix7916]

This country USA was much scarier when Trump was in office that's for sure . Just look what Trump did while in office . Hel gave tax breaks to the 1%ers . Said he would not take any money while in office . He did . Not only he took money he hired all of his children and friends . All of his lawyers . Letting the tax payer to flip that bill . Destroying and recking the democratic prosses for the incoming party , He also spit on the military graves anh he said they are not hero's . Sold dics to the evils in this world . He even mocked GOD .

[@alep_bet]

That’s capitalism in crisis not govt

[@artworkbysteve1]

@@alep_bet bull, you must not just blind but dumb look around we are the verge of communism right now.

[@KDean22]

RAND IS A BRILLIANT WOMAN. SPECTACULAR VISION, HONESTY AND A FEARLESS INTELLECT

[@laurasalo6160]

And her eyes are so intense, so alert and beautiful. She is a native Russian speaker and yet has full command of the English language and can pronounce the French words with the perfect accent too. Whether you agree with her or not, she is an impressive woman and her philosophy is well-thought. I wish she could've gone tête-a-tête with Hitchens. I bet she'd have won him over. A powerful woman like her, she'd probably turn him on like Thatcher did 😆

[@patsysaffron9321]

That thing ain't no woman. The eyes are creepy. Ugly on the inside and out. 🤮

[@gahangore111]

Exactly how I'd expect someone typing in caps to feel.

[@KDean22]

@@gahangore111 CAPS ARE SUPPOSED TO WAKE UP YOBS OF LOW INTELLIGENCE

[@KDean22]

@@gahangore111 GO TO INDIA

[@EricLehner]

When conversation at the adult level was still a thing.

[@skywatcher1972]

Yes; collegiate, I believe they call it. Not popular in a dying society.

[@michaelmyers6985]

Smoking is the key.

[@sfertonoc]

I am always amazed at how liberals recoil emotionally at true atheism like that of Rand. Objectivism has indeed been invented by Kant and pushed by Weininger. It is not a new thing at all but feminine liberals seem completely allergic, including Wallace who has a hard time taking in what is absolute open information on reason. I am a God believer, but I am completely comfortable with her concepts and her atheism. Morality based in worry of the collective well being is not moral. Morality starts at consciousness of one’s own deeds. One needs a soul to get to God and she has a soul. Liberals want to be entitled of God without soulful awareness of one’s immortality and thus ultimate potential responsibility. Once one is conscious of the self, one has the consciousness for that of others’. The “altruist” dispenses himself from consciousness.

[@binpaper11]

Howling mad -died living on welfare cos she’d run out of friends -psychotically projecting her trauma from fleeing the Soviet Union and leaving her entire family to die -the reason people like her is because she gives people an excuse to be greedy and selfish.

[@thebiscuitrose]

I heard elders talk and discuss like this. It is an engaging, inviting and civil way to connevt.

[@jameseubanks1817]

All fair questions, sincere answers, no gotcha questions, just the way interviews should go. I respect them both. This interview should be studied by all journalists.

[@AJ-yw7hf]

You respect Rand? LoL. So you respect one of the most cold-hearted, evil you-know-whats to ever walk the face of this Earth?

[@petercontarino646]

There aren’t many journalists with enough intelligence left to bother with.

[@jhandle4196]

Mike's example is why his son finally came to his senses, and left FOX "News"

[@tcheyne1951]

😂😅😜🥸🤣

[@JohnDoe-jq1br]

Watch her eyes. She is obviously taking amphetamines, an earlier type of meth.

[@paperbackonly8438]

BEAUTIFUL sharp back-and-force interview. “If a natural resource is that scarce, it can’t be vital” that was beautiful.

[@paperbackonly8438]

And of course Ayn’s philosophy sounds so … dooming, it’s like Schumpeter’s perception of economy - things are wrong here and there, but there’s nothing we can do about it.

[@vickilapp6691]

It's a more peaceful point of view than grasping in desperation for what fear we can't live without!

[@moestietabarnak]

so... uranium is quite scarce ... it's still can't be vital ? not vital for you and me, but really not vital against an enemy who has that resource ? Rand philosophy is full of unwarranted assertion, every thing bad is collectivist, everything good is self-interest of industrialist shark ? Let be frank, they did not became big industrialist by simply creating things...they appropriate things in coercive ways! A simple exemple of water resource going through one property that could put a barrage on HIS property to block water to go to his neighbors ! He then buy his neighbor land cheaply because it's barren, then allow water to go through... all enlightened ? nah, I bet the neighbor would just grab a shotgun and... HENCE the necessity of a governing body regulating economic activity !

[@paperbackonly8438]

@@moestietabarnak I agree with a lot of what you say, that’s why I feel her philosophy is so dooming. Basically her inner coherence is that an unregulated society may be bad and cutthroat, but it’s still the best because any input leads things to the worse. And there’s nothing you can do about it. I think many people violently disagree with her on this, but that would be a fundamental disagreement which means no room for persuasion. … but still I’m very taken by her argument on “scarcity”. I think her point is not “uranium” is vital to whom, but it can’t be vital if it’s TOOOOO scarce. Let’s say all the uranium in the world can only power one bomb. Then what can you do with it? Even if US or USSR got hold of all of it, they can only bluff the other because once used, there’d be no threat. It’s a way of thinking I’ve never taken.

[@greentea9335]

@@moestietabarnak Uranium is not nearly scarce enough that it could even be "cornered" by any government, muchless an individual. Who did the industrialists "coerce"? If it was the government, then the government is complicit in the crime - which is exactly why they should never be in charge of these decisions/resources to begin with. Water rights are spelled-out on property contracts/deeds that were agreed to when the land was purchased.

[@carlzend8091]

My experience with Ayn Rand and objectivism - When I was 20 - I owe much of my personal change and better understanding of creativity through her writings. I’ve read much of her work. She inspired me to achieve. Not be entitled. To be free and creative and uncompromising towards takers. When I was 40 - With all this I succeeded to quite an extent … except in my soul. I felt empty from a lack of faith, relying on rationale towards love. Life became clinical and course. I could not see highways with billboards and admire them. I needed trees and brooks and streams and mountains. I needed a wider sense of creativity, a cosmic sense, a consciousness if you will. When I am 67 - I see her theory in essence in the support for uncompromising creativity as paramount. But I also see a wider power within man, something of being a co-creator with love and joy. A final version I think that comes from Abraham Hicks. Ayn talks of no compromise with people who take, I agree with that. But added to that is AH’s system of understanding the law of attraction and how this works in reality. How Wayne Dyer points to everything we see today was dreamed by someone. And how dreams and creativity and work are an enjoyment cycle, AH explains this brilliantly. It is amazingly captivating how these immense minds / powers work to provide myriad perspectives and how most of it (not all of each) seems to fit in perfectly towards one end - well being, ease, joy and happiness. We live in fascinating times.

[@joeday4293]

I found "Atlas Shrugged" at age 25, and like many people, instantly became a lay objectivist and devoured several of her other works. In the fullness of time, I've come to regard Rand's ideas as a good and solid framework, but incomplete as a self-contained belief system. All of life is not *quite* as black and white as she makes it, but make no mistake, *enough* of it is that we should follow the dictates of objective reality, with an allowance for deviation at the edges of our morality. Not everything in life neatly falls into categories of good or bad, positive or negative, healthy or pathological. The missing component from this framework? I would call it social capital - the value you can add or remove from the peace and sanguinity of the world of men, which are abstract concepts that cannot be empirically measured; you more or less stick your finger in the air to see which way the wind blows. We have all faced situations where there was an obvious "correct" decision to make, an obvious "just" consequence to deliver, but the wiser move is to postpone executing that decision and delivering that consequence, because now is the wrong time and it would generate more failures than it corrects, even though it is the "right" thing to do, or especially the just thing to do. Sometimes instant justice can be too swift, and can result in a negative outcome, when the better outcome would come from biding your time and serving that justice when and how it will be most effective. She basically directly called "mercy" a dirty word, but a world completely free of mercy is no world for men to live in. Still, let's be honest, a good 80, 85, 90% of the time? A is A, and you can think A is B all you like, but A ain't changing just because you want it to. Behave as though A is B, and A will kick your, uh, A.

[@JL-ql2jo]

Your last bit, yes. Do we not all desire the same things?

[@joeday4293]

@@JL-ql2jo And aren't we supposed to be left free to work those things out between and amongst ourselves?

[@EddieDrayton]

My experience with Ayn Rand and objectivism - NOBODY CARES

[@greenhearted8453]

Uncompromising towards takers? That's, um, interesting considering that entrepreneur literally means "between taker" and so much of capitalism, conservatism and Republicanism relies on taking.

[@miltonkeynes3090]

Imagine a show on TV of this quality today. Impossible.

[@SliceofLife7777]

Not impossible. Don't defund the law, defund the government. It is overfunded. Today's billionaires are using the government and media to obtain, and retain monopoly. As Rand has pointed out in this interview. Be what you want to be. You cannot force it on others. Do not let others force their philosophy on you. Be of value while you can, in whatever means at your disposal. Be what another of value to you would deem valuable. Honesty, emotional strength, economic value, physical and or sexual value. There are alot of valuable people, hard honest workers, artist, philosophers, heck you name it. Comfy shoes for example. A good home, a good vehicle. 😊

[@jasonrosenfeld9803]

The closest I’ve come to this is Russell Brand’s shows on KZbin. If you haven’t seen them before, prepare to be pleasantly surprised.

[@zatoichi4449]

Aye, Jason Rosenfeld is correct! Good Luck old timer!!

[@johnd3124]

people dont have the attention span for long form serious interviews.. the longest would be 10 to 15 minutes

[@marknewton6984]

Impossible.

[@beetee4295]

I wish we had this level of integrity in intellectual debates today in media instead of the garbage on networks these days. I respect this woman’s courage and intelligence.

[@lisaschuster686]

without agreeing with her, right?

[@anonymous-yg1hy]

​​​@@lisaschuster686think I agree with her. Life would be harder for many in the short term for about a generation, but I think society would be healthier and happier in the long run. When I look around at the major policy decisions we make and our fiscal system, one thought comes to mind. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

[@jhandle4196]

@@anonymous-yg1hy So selfishness is a virtue, huh? That's the title of Rand's compilation of essays. That, in and of itself, is an oxymoron.

[@lisaschuster686]

@@anonymous-yg1hy Did you realize how far the pendulum has swung? Luxury taxes (over $1,000,000 - ? - at the time) were 98 percent! The country was never so prosperous for the middle class. Maybe a compromise…?

[@zapkvr0101]

​@@anonymous-yg1hyutter drivel. NO ONE is going to heaven.

[@JP-ud7xq]

This woman predicated the mess we are in! Amazing. This video should be shown to all people.

[@HeatherRose2023]

Predicted or helped create it through her influence?

[@JP-ud7xq]

@@HeatherRose2023 observing what the state of affairs in the world doesn't create. It awakens people to what is really going on.

[@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV]

She didn't create this mess on her own mate! Humans are experts at creating their own enemies and opposition! :D

[@ttacking_you]

@@JP-ud7xq you two....

[@RPSartre01]

Predicted the mess you are in - the rest of us are fine.

[@spider033181]

Every freshman in college should listen to this interview. It would shock their systems, but hopefully some of them would agree with Rand's philosophy - you succeed based on your ability. We would all be better off.

[@Anne2u]

They should read 'We the Living'.

[@MobBjj1]

Lol no one should listen to her she’s too naive, a woman at the end of the day.

[@therocketcrab9325]

Back when a journalist with integrity could disagree and yet show accurately his guest’s opinion.

[@TheRealBrook1968]

To a certain degree, but you could see him wiggling in discomfort.

[@AJ-HawksToxicFinger]

if you enjoyed this go watch the Donahue episodes w Ayn or Milton Friedman. Donahue was great even if he was wrong about politics..imo

[@chetansharma6344]

@@TheRealBrook1968that shows he's actually considering the ideas, unlike today's "journalists", who can be replaced by parrots.

[@alhiddell6810]

I liked how he did enough reading to understand her poistion and used logic to argue with her. Nowdays it would just be a smear job.

[@Swaaaat1]

@@alhiddell6810 sadly true.

[@mmille10]

As I've listened to Rand's critics, I've found that they've generally misunderstood the terms she used, particularly selfishness, and sacrifice. When people think of selfishness, they think of it in a derogatory way, that it's someone who acts narcissistically, greedily, childishly, and won't share with others. Later in life, when she was asked about gift-giving, she said that she had no problem giving gifts to those she loved, as I think is common to many of us. Her distinction was that it's not forced. As with everything, she said she did this because it pleased her. After listening to a portion of what she wrote, I found it rather easy to identify how my generosity to others pleased myself, and how I did not give of myself to those I didn't approve. In so many instances, I think it is true that when we act generously to those we wish, it all fits within what she really meant by selfishness. She didn't mean "hoard," nor did she mean "indulge oneself at the expense of others." She meant serving one's own satisfaction in all the human ways we actually do that, which doesn't fit exclusively into the derogatory version of selfishness we commonly think about. Her point was that what she called selfishness can serve the needs of others, even those who are in desperate need, and have little or nothing to give back. When someone volunteers for charity, and receives fulfillment from their work, she would say they were acting selfishly, because they were actually doing something that satisfied themselves in some way. I think what she called on people to do was to become conscious of how much of what they do in life is to satisfy their own wants and needs, and how that's actually good. It doesn't mean you're always in a state of joy. Providing something of value is hard work, and will lead to disappointment when you fail, as you strive. The point is you strive, and the more you do, and learn, the more those disappointments lead to your success in whatever you want to do, or become, so long as it is within reasonable possibility. Her philosophy of selfishness does not include the notion that we recognize as greediness, those who take gratuitously, who deceive to get what they want, who seek unfair advantage over others pursuing their best interests; who do not give value for value. Her notion of sacrifice also doesn't fit within what we commonly think. What she meant was completely denying your own self-interest or aspiration, in any capacity that exists, in an effort to serve someone else; meaning completely denying any desire, or aspiration within you, as if it's meaningless, even sinful; doing something exclusively because you believe it is your duty to others, commanded by some authority, like society. Put another way, sacrifice, to her, meant you've completely outsourced your heart, your mind, your agency. An example she used was denying your own infant the milk it needs, to feed the child of another, even to the point of starving your own child to death. In other words, utter selflessness--complete denial of self. What she would call selfless sacrifice, I think a lot of us would call sociopathic. That's what she was arguing against. Her frame of reference, I think, was the Soviet Union, what she lived under, until she came to the U.S. That could be why many Americans misunderstood her. They hadn't lived that experience. Having said all this, I don't consider myself an Objectivist. I don't find her philosophy complete enough to be taken in totality, but I think her philosophy is worth serious consideration for anyone desiring to see a free society flourish. It has something valuable to offer. One criticism I'd have of what she said here was her statement that she had faith in nothing. I think she had a lot of faith in her philosophy, because can we think of any society in which her philosophy has really been implemented to its fullest, and people have seen it work? I can't. I think America strived for it at its founding, but fell far short in some ways. It's always fallen short of its objectives, in some ways, but what's noble about it is it has tried. I think all she was really saying was, "Try harder, please!"

[@scarlettphoenix7024]

Far too many people seem to misunderstand the basics of her philosophy. She was brilliant, and I hope that someday humans will evolve beyond the primitive thought processes against which Rand sensibly and vehemently rebelled.

[@mmille10]

@@scarlettphoenix7024- The misunderstandings/criticisms I've seen are that she didn't believe in giving, being charitable; that certain people deserve all the benefits of society, and that the rest should get crumbs. These weren't her points at all. I remember William F. Buckley allowed a leftist to write National Review's critique of Atlas Shrugged, claiming that she advocated sending the "less desirables off to the gas chamber," I assume referring to the "smoker in the tunnel" scene in the story. Really slanderous, because her point was not that "the deserving" send the "undesirables off to the gas chamber," but rather that's where they send themselves, metaphorically, if they're in charge, despite efforts to save them. By consequence, they doom the rest of society along with them. She didn't just leave it at that. She offered a path of redemption to them: Recognize that you're causing your own destruction, and that the way back is to learn to love that which supports life and flourishing--the values you hate, and think are immoral. It's been gratifying to see real people do this in recent years, not at her prompting, but by reaching a point of moral crisis, and changing how they view things. Another critique I saw had little to do with her philosophy, but just focused on her personal life, saying she cheated on her first two husbands (I forget how many), and took advantage of people, as if to say, "See how selfish and capricious she was." I don't know how truthful this is. I'd need to read her biography. In any case, despite any personal foibles, it wouldn't discourage me from taking her philosophy seriously, because I find value in it.

[@mikeb5372]

Your one criticism is something she clarified by using the word conviction rather than faith

[@Smoke_C]

It is not a faith in her philosophy. Objective reality does not require faith. You obviously missed this fundamental point.

[@mmille10]

@@Smoke_C - I am someone who demands that assertions be tested against reality, to see how well they work. I am sure that she would demand no less. I think there are aspects of what she asserted in support of her philosophy that have been tested, and shown to work well. In my statement on this, I was taking her philosophy as a whole, applied to society, as she was in this interview. I can say confidently it's never been tried in totality, on a societal level. So, how can she say, "I don't have faith in it, only conviction"? I'd say that's simply contradicted by the facts--demonstrable human history. Faith is belief in the absence of evidence. I'm not saying by any stretch that she completely lacked evidence to support the idea of extending her philosophy to the whole of society. I'd be happy to see a society make an attempt to live by her philosophy, so we could all see how well it really works in totality. That exemplar just hasn't come into being yet. Until a society successfully demonstrates her philosophy, her assertion that it is as good as she says it is can only be taken on faith. She could have her conviction about it, but, in my view, it was only based on her fervent wish that it come into existence.

[@Wrz2e]

While I find Rand's philosophy to be cold and uncompromising, she defends it quite adeptly while Wallace listens and engages very courteously. If only this style of interview was prevalent today!

[@soulsurvivor4499]

I thought the same thing and then I stopped watching a third through because she's a dictator

[@michaelafrazier3387]

​@@soulsurvivor4499Actually she was against dictatorship.

[@robertmorales5572]

Yes that's the way a interview should be conducted it exposes the truth of that individual or individuals beliefs! How can the public come to a conclusion when both sides are talking over each other ranting and raving you can't even understand what they're saying great intelligent interview

[@kevinthomas4074]

Mike Wallace belligerent

[@Platoface]

Liberty is not so hard to understand. It’s just hard to be prolonged in reality without the use of force.

[@chrishinman6143]

Incredible journalism !! Mike was a legend..You'll never see intellectual discourse like this nowadays..

[@thatguyinelnorte]

Even his son was a damned jerk. Mike was a leftist; but a decent American anyway.

[@jonatanwestholm]

Not from the jedi...

[@greenfireball2882]

Not mike.. Ayn

[@vlorenzo2106]

With all do respect, she is the legend!

[@jamesadams893]

Yea Mike was a legendary asshole

[@nainigiridharreddy3306]

So this is what a civilized interview looks like.

[@rodneyoneil2812]

Yes!!!!

[@amirsaeed8733]

Exactly!

[@RenegadeGeniuses]

What's with you're moon man profile? You got GME?

[@Marshall_Stacks]

Not civilized because she's a lunatic.

[@patrickbuglass973]

It''s almost like she has no fear of being hit by a chair...hmmm.

[@lausanneguy]

The camera spends most of its time fixed on the interviewee, unlike on modern tv, where the center of attention is the questioner.

[@totalrobot]

Astute observation

[@andrewm000]

VLAD TV

[@southerncross4956]

You are right, thank you. I was thinking what is different here other than the black and white, poor sound and video (film?) quality?

[@skywatcher1972]

This is not surprising; the "interviewee" has better ANSWERS and a far more intriguing view than does the "interviewer" has in the way of questions, and vantage, which are comparably stale. Mike Wallace does the best that he can, but it is not enough. . .

[@andybaker5466]

Todays socialist mind set would do good to listen to her! I have read both novels and they will set you free. Atlas shrugged is excellent!

[@williamvaughn4148]

Agreed - the dumbing down of our culture is palpable.

[@edithbannerman4]

@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?

[@lorettahookano6139]

The most intellectually stimulating interview I have ever seen !

[@kali542]

She was against 'group think' and she was right. She was so brave to make those statements back then. Her philosophy has integrity and value, like it or not.

[@jccklh]

Maybe she is against "group think" but there is a group who thinks like her and she doesn't disown that, as far as I am aware. I would say she is promoting a selfish group think.

[@kali542]

@@jccklh I hear you. She was def a complex character and I’m sure her philosophy was high jacked

[@anonimusxd8336]

​@@kali542complex or ass character, because she did tried to Take revange when things didnt went her way, thats not so rational if You ask me, and You know whats worse?, thats not Even the peak of her iceberg...

[@negativezero3107]

" No because I am in love with him selfishly" that smile on her face, that was good lol

[@SlackJawJack]

She's gone on to cite her love/passion for her husband in other interviews & even in her later years.

[@BlueisNotaWarmColour]

That was the best part and it also directly addresses the misconception people seem to have about her philosophy.

[@violinhunter2]

Ayn Rand was so sexy!!! Her life in bed must have been really good.

[@reluminopraha5948]

@@BlueisNotaWarmColour I think that poeple understand that it cancels the difference between the altruism and the egoism. While it can be that some poeple are altruistic because of 'selfish' satisfaction from that, the common meaning is that altruism is a more difficult virtue than egoism, if the latter is a virtue at all. And while it is better to have our institutions (eg. private property and free markets) aligned with our core tendencies, it is also very advantageous to have altruism and good manners nourished as a virtue for all their relevant situations. Being based only on self interest means to be in ever cheating society. The proponents of this approach (incl. Adam Smith) either did not value the Christian attitudes inherent to population of their time, or the assumed that it stays the same intact. But it shall not. In reality, once you popularize egoism as the superior approach, you undermine not only any decency but even the keeping of contracts, which is the necessary condition for libertarians. Thus it is difficult to defend it even as the rational system. Even the basic axioms contradict some others.

[@BlueisNotaWarmColour]

@@reluminopraha5948 I disagree. It seems to me that Rand is simply acknowledging a fundamental, unchanging truth: that humans are always self-interested. That does NOT mean that humans are always SELFISH as it's traditionally understood. I'm thinking of it like this: To be self-interested means you have an interest in making the most of your life. All organisms are self-interested in that they attempt to at least survive (this requires consuming natural resources) and reproduce. Even plants and microbiology are technically self-interested. Hell, inanimate matter tends towards reproduction through entropy, so perhaps rocks are self-interested. On the other hand, to be selfish means your personal pursuits are prioritized over the Rights of others. If, to profit from life, you would commit violence against others, you are no longer merely self-interested but ALSO selfish. Private property/markets and altruism are NOT mutually exclusive. Thinking rationally, morality boils down to "do not steal," whether it's material property or bodily property. I believe Rand is arguing that everybody is self-interested, so there will never be a viable justification for theft.

[@yellowzen1]

What a fascinating interview. Unlike anything you will see on todays media channels.

[@seano3432]

I think we’ve moved from serving others to serving ourselves at the cost of others.

[@Richard-gp5tg]

In fairness she opposes exploitation of others. " Neither slave nor master be"

[@67NewEngland]

- She has intense laser focus and isn’t the least bit thrown off her opinion or point. Good for her. Regardless of whether you agree with her or not she is a unique individual. Not many people present as sure minded as her these days, and able to back up their opinion with intellect .

[@AnonYmous-ry2jn]

She is full of crap. She makes these pronouncements about how unfettered markets work, and she has never once seen this kind of money worshiping government-free utopia (dystopia, to be more accurate) she wants to institute. She hasn't the slightest shred of proof that a society of pure capitalism as she envisions could produce any of the benefits she imagines. Mr. Wallace should have pushed harder on the uranium example. She pulls out of her hat this claim that no one man could ever completely dominate a vital resource, a pure article of faith on her part, with no evidence. "Winner take all", as Robert Frank observed so powerfully, is the natural outcome of pure unfettered competition, markets, capitalism. Robert Frank would wipe the floor with her.

[@FirstLast-vt3ii]

@Anon Ymous The topic is her _philosophical_ postulate. It’s not offered without astute observation and academic rigour. Your tone comes off as highly defensive/frightened. Why? Perhaps too heavily invested?

[@AnonYmous-ry2jn]

@@FirstLast-vt3ii Doesn't a philosophical postulate have to be grounded in either a priori logical evidence (like Descartes' "cogito") or, if one is committed to an empiricist outlook and episteme, then empirical evidence claimed to be universal? How can anything she says in this regard qualify as a valid "postulate" if it is nothing but a bald, unfounded, unsupported claim?

[@francesrichardson6100]

I read anything I could find by her about 40 years ago. Her “philosophy “ was created simply to promote her own self-interests, to take what she wanted and “justify” it. To ruin others, exploit others, and wreck marriages. She’s an imposter, promoting “objectivism” to claim power over others. That’s all there is.

[@jessebaldwin2661]

@@AnonYmous-ry2jn Well said. Also, her lack of compassion for others made me think of Hitler and his worldview of the perfect Adrian race ruling the world. She is a bit frightening.

[@MaxsMom-bv6hf]

I started Atlas Shrugged over 14 years ago and still have not finished it....don't need to as we are now living the book!

[@IceLady171509]

Agree!

[@daviddunn4061]

Finished that mofo in a month.. your not a reader

[@daviddunn4061]

Why didn't you finish it?

[@daviddunn4061]

Return of the Primitive. More your style. Read it

[@RobertLonghi]

Great journalist. Good questions. Love how he smokes during the interview

[@jerrysandberg3728]

Amazing 1959 interview is as if it was conducted today! Monopolies are created by or protected by the nation state include the allowing of unlimited money printing or limitless wars as well as subpar for profit medicine. This woman is ahead of her time possibly by 100 years.

[@edithbannerman4]

@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?

[@Idontbelievethehype2]

I’m impressed with how rapidly and crisply the questions are both asked and answered.

[@cameronclark3725]

She’s done it time and time again, she doesn’t seem intellectually honest rather just defending her own ideas.

[@pauljones5066]

amazing

[@simoneaves9941]

that'll be the amphetamines

[@bleachedmud8723]

People had respect for each other back then even if they disagreed

[@jackbailey7037]

Public discourse and general knowledge has dumbed-down a lot in 70 years.

[@Bootmahoy88]

A significant interview with two eminently articulate individuals with laser focus and formidable analytical powers, yet with the humane capacity to be respectful of one another. This is a joy to experience.

[@buddyglynn6173]

Throughout this interview I kept feeling a sense of joy as you have expressed. So rare to see two intelligent people discussing philosophy, economics, etc in such a civil way.

[@olyokie]

You really need to raise your standards.

[@anyfriendofkevinbaconisafr177]

Yes, but other than you opinion of these characters, do you think? What do YOU think about the ideas? Or are you another status seeking and status dispensing machine with no concrete or reasonable reasons for your conviction? Do you have the character to respond to me? Can you read my words without processing them emotionally? Can you let go of your animal self and reason with me?

[@w.alan.21]

maybe not rehearsed per se but it's so rapid fire it seems they had discussions before taping this..

[@wasabe591]

Albeit, a rare occurrence these days.

[@cosmos9000]

And here we are 2023… what do you think? I think she was spot on.

[@janetbrodesser236]

The smoke is nauseating, even to watch in an old film. Great interview.

[@MrTweaksTV]

i didn't even notice it. Maybe the nauseating is the issue

[@AlexSosaBolivia]

"I do not believe that the majority can vote a man's life or property or freedom away from him. Therefore I do not believe that if a majority votes on any issue that this makes the issue right. It doesn't." A remarkable statement.

[@tomgardner8825]

this seems anti-democratic. so the what is left?

[@daddydothang8635]

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting what to have for lunch. Freedom and morality are profoundly antidemocratic.

[@michaelfritts6249]

The United States is a republic. A nation of laws that protect the 49% minority from the whims of a 51% majority. All States have 2 senators. This allows each state, regardless of population (representatives are based on state population) to have an equal voice in proposed majority legislation. Not a proponent of Ayn Rand.. people aren't "good enough" to succeed in pure capitalism or pure communism... Just my opinion..🤔 Be Well!! 😃

[@daddydothang8635]

@@michaelfritts6249 And the Senators are supposed to be elected by their State Legislature... 🤔

[@michaelfritts6249]

@@daddydothang8635 "were".. the 17th amendment gave greater voice to the full state vs purely urban popoution centers in the state.. it gave fence sitters or "middling issues" a slightly more level playing field... Not perfect.. but a bit better. 🤔😉

[@scottsmith6643]

I read "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead" in my 20s. I don't really know what made me start reading them in the first place but I'm glad I did. It was so easy for me to picture, in my minds eye, what she described because her writing style is "picturesque", for want of a better term. It's just beautiful writing. It was never about politics for me - I wasn't into it back then. I admit now that Ms Rand's books probably helped to teach me HOW to think - if I'm making any sense. She helped me pay attention to logic when considering emotion. Anyway, thanks so much for posting this interview. Cheers

[@Richard-gp5tg]

Her best book is "We the Living".

[@Chuck68ify]

I reas Atlas Shrugged in 1959 as a high-school senior and the Fountainhead a little later. Inspired me my whole life.

[@fryan4159]

I too was captured by her writing style in "Atlas Shrugged" and read 4+ decades ago - all 1,084 pages in small font and on tissue like paper - my favourite book of all time. Sadly my eyesight isn't up for a second read...

[@fryan4159]

@@Chuck68ify I am surprised at how many men have read her books and the lasting impact her writings had... I wish you well, Sir...

[@johnnyroycerichardsoniii3273]

Same here. Ayn Rand, her books and philosophy emphasized reason at a time in my intellectual development when I needed that lesson/message as a young Christian man. But I think Ayn Rand is a formidable intellectual but a mediocre novelist

[@Bpe5150]

Wow! Very interesting conversation. And here we are.

[@DaxXadify]

Ayn Rand was an author, as well as a philosopher and advocate of a philosophy called Objectivism. She was born in Russia in 1905 and later emigrated to the United States. Rand is primarily known for her novels, particularly "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead," which gained widespread popularity. Her works often explore themes of individualism, reason, and the pursuit of self-interest. Rand's philosophy, Objectivism, promotes these ideals and advocates for laissez-faire capitalism, limited government intervention, and rational self-interest as the highest moral virtue. Her ideas attracted a range of reactions and opinions. Some people admire her writing and philosophy for emphasizing individual rights, personal responsibility, and free-market capitalism. Many consider her a prominent figure in libertarian and conservative circles. However, others strongly disagree with her ideas, criticizing her for promoting a self-centered and amoral worldview. Rand's influence extends beyond literature and philosophy, and she is often cited as an inspiration by politicians, entrepreneurs, and professionals in various fields. While she has both admirers and detractors, other's pinions about Rand and her work are diverse and can be polarizing.

[@Richard-gp5tg]

But her best book is "We the Living". Based more on her life in the nascent Soviet Union.

[@Richard-gp5tg]

Its very personal, be sure to read it.

[@bigkozlov]

fascinating discussion. This can't happen these days; society became too dumb for an intellectual debate.

[@tristan90us]

This is simplistic nonsense.

[@jasonlacroix6083]

The intellectuals converse. Debates are two people talking and neither is listening.

[@bradleyharper7073]

I would say western society has become too individualistic for an intellectual debate.

[@jasonlacroix6083]

@@bradleyharper7073 do you think Noam Chomsky would put up with Charlie Kirk or Ben Shapiro rattling off talking points at 155 words per minute?

[@toshiojohnston3732]

Worse then dumb but immature and quasi competitive and all women are hos ,bword,cword and men are punks,jerkoffs,assholes it's like high-school instead of adult behavior.

[@Dash5924]

I’m listening to Atlas Shrugged on Audible it’s scary how prophetic she was 60 years ago. Everything is 180 degrees out of phase. The mind and rational thought have gone out the window.

[@deborahbuffamanti4847]

Both books are exceptional reads and have stayed on my best books list for more than 40 years… re-reading them only makes them better

[@evhwolfgang2003]

You can't be serious.

[@kathyhansen2820]

More people should read Atlas shrugged but then, it doesn't have pictures and has soooo many pages.

[@sherrypalmer1601]

'Feelings' are dominant now, in-depth discussion and civility is out of fashion unfortunately.

[@Paul-pj5qu]

Don't forget Alan Greenspan screwed up the economy for decades based on this philosophy. The practical results are a disaster.

[@listenisrespect1776]

Unbelievable interview, extremely hard to find someone like her today. Wallace did a great job by just getting her to answer questions staying respectful.

[@barb.gerhard9501]

The reason we don't see this today is any woman who even tried to say half what she said would be shouted down, she would be told to shut up, sit down, and go away and die, by snarking nasty screeching purple haired shaved headed Jezebels who's mouths are always wide open shouting and interrupting her right from the get go, and the host would go along with them so as not to be seen to agree with the woman so why bother to try to put forward any divergent opinion when it wouldn't be allowed past the gate!

[@greyjay9202]

From the extreme collectivism of the Soviet Union, to the unrestrained individualism of Ayn Rand, we jump right over the middle ground which makes life possible.

[@cheeseburger12]

Was life impossible before the massive federal government expansions of the 1930s? I'm pretty sure it wasn't. Individualism doesn't mean charity is bad in of itself. It can be voluntary. Which it used to be. Also, we used to not have such massive runaway government debt. Almost as if there is a connection.

[@sarahcameronlerer5014]

Interesting that she chose to take Social Security when it was available to her, individualism for thee but not for me.@@cheeseburger12

[@juanpaz5124]

Nooo how are we gonna survive if the state doesn't steal half of our money

[@cutwagman]

Tell leftists this woman is a democrat and they would applaud like they never applauded.

[@201950201950]

People would starve to death during recessions. It's easy to say that we got by but what was it like to be getting by. back.

[@frajoladellagato]

I fundamentally disagree with Ms. Rand’s philosophy, but no one can deny the impact she has had on modern politics and policies, so understanding her in a deeper way is highly educational. Thank you for sharing the opportunity to hear from her directly.

[@newtovesting1641]

I fundamentally agree with Ms. Rand's philosophy, she is still correct to this day. Take a look at your governments and apply the teachings of Ms. Rand

[@DSnake655]

Her views do seem cold and distant to me somehow. People working together is what makes a society, not this Darwinian vision of having to look over your back constantly to make sure no one's coming to harm you. That's no way to live.

[@FernandoGon814]

She has it right we are responsible for are own happiness! If you don’t love yourself how can you truly love someone else!

[@DSnake655]

@@FernandoGon814 That is part of her point which makes sense.

[@FernandoGon814]

@@DSnake655 Did you not read my comment?????

[@hoofgripweightlifting6872]

Wow. Thanks for posting. “The individual is the most important minority.” Is my favorite Rand quote.

[@muslit]

me and the hell with everyone else you mean

[@jasonkenneth1875]

indeed WE are @Hoof and No @muslit, each individual makes up everyone else, duh. it's all about "Doing No Harm" to each other and not oppressing each other for another's advantage. Self Reliance if you will if you need an example hence your comment to Hoof.

[@mspat8195]

@@jasonkenneth1875nice.

[@WeGoTSkiLL]

muslit Why wouldn‘t I want to see others thrive? Other people producing values is at worst neutral, and at best good for me. I think there‘s some projection going on there. If you need irrational standards (altruistic, duty-based morality) to love other people something is wrong with you.

[@nomasterabovemenoslavebelo3628]

@@WeGoTSkiLL @muslit my comments is for you, sorry WeGotSkiLL "AN INDIVIDUALIST IS A MAN WHO SAYS: "I WILL NOT RUN ANYONE'S LIFE - NOR LET ANYONE RUN MINE. I WILL NOT RULE NOR BE RULED. I WILL NOT BE A MASTER NOR A SLAVE. I WILL NOT SACRIFICE MYSELF TO ANYONE - NOR SACRIFICE ANYONE TO MYSELF." - AYN RAND All she is saying is that we live in a world where accountability is nonexistent. We created generations of people who contribute nothing and are compensated by those who do contribute and fund the lives of those who don't contribute. If you are dependent on something you're a slave to it. How about having some self worth instead of demanding others help you. We in the US contribute millions willingly to charities, not by government force. The system steals my wealth to help pay for their programs that I have absolutely no say in how that money is spent. Mainly our money goes to the Military Industrial Complex. And all the contractors, there is no money in peace. Plus funding undocumented/illegal aliens costs billions in tax dollars. This country was founded on immigration, by legal means and nothing was promised. Now there is welfare for illegals. You must not know much of the Kalergi plan. This is a plan to destroy the sovereignty of all nations. Except 1 that doesn't take any refugees, Can you guess the country? They are making laws that you can't boycott or even criticize this country or question events that are promoted as facts but are highly suspect. Truth does not fear investigation. Why does this nation fear an investigation into it's past? The world is run by psychopaths who don't care about humanity. They only care about keeping their wealth and power,, that's why they're steering society towards socialism, the loss of individual rights for the greater good, not ours, theirs. It's not that complicated. They want people emotive. Not actually thinking critically for themselves. Logic and reason are considered racist or hateful. All these revolutionary movements are backed by corporations and promoted by msm, the first sign your movement is not a revolution just a way to divide everyone. BLM/ Atifa. I'm not a statist by any means. I loathe government, it's just a glorified mafia.

[@saratru9999]

💕 a discussion-how refreshing and smart.

[@denisemcnally9488]

Fascinating exchange! Very prophetic too.

[@christophebonhoefferofbelg9846]

This interview really shows how far backwards we’ve gone in the past decade or so. A fine demonstration of intellect, good manners, no swearing or talking over each other. Look at this & then try to suffer Piers Morgan ..🙄

[@2old4allthis]

Not a huge fan of Piers, but descent into a pit of jackals requires one to adapt and respond to the environment

[@gmc9451]

When you mentioned swearing I was reminded of Gerald Celente.

[@kikivon3501]

It says a lot about who is watching too. People back then had a long enough attention span to watch the entire interview without screaming, insults, name calling, and constant interruptions. I don’t know if today’s audience could sit through this type of interview or even follow what she is saying. The type of TV programs that are popular reflects a lot about the population that is tuning in.

[@valentinius62]

​@@KingCrab85No one in the mainstream media would want to interview her today as she is the antithesis of their Marxist views. Even Wallace is showing his Mouchism in this interview way back when.

[@favor4afavor823]

They can and do. That's why long form podcasts are becoming prevalent and legacy media is dying.

[@kikivon3501]

@@favor4afavor823 that’s true, but I think a lot of those podcasts are geared toward confirmation bias. They exist in an echo chamber confirming what the audience already wants to hear. Very few of them engage in a robust honest debate in opposite view points. If they do pull someone on that opposes the general viewpoint they are made out to be the heel, and their opinion is never taken seriously or are they allowed to fully express themselves.

[@mjc2394]

Over the course of my life, I've gradually come to realise certain aspects about myself-acknowledging both faults and emotions. Objectively observing these traits, I've become aware of their impact on my life and those around me. Several years ago, perhaps more than a decade now, I reached a pivotal moment when I finally recognised my limitations and my dependence on others to fulfil my needs. It was then that I compelled myself to take full responsibility for my actions. This shift marked my escape from victimhood and the role of persecutor. Embracing accountability allowed me to confront the flaws that arose from my self-interest. Taking ownership became a significant stride in addressing, and perhaps overcoming, my own tendencies of reliance, guided by the principles of personal morality.

[@tomdonahue4224]

This interview has deepened my understanding of early Rush Albums. RIP Neil Peart.

[@garyhughes1664]

Whatever you may think of Rand and her philosophy, there is no doubt that this is a great interview.

[@boulevarda.aladetoyinbo4773]

Why would anyone disagree with Ayn Rand's philosophy?

[@davidmartinezbragado4598]

@@boulevarda.aladetoyinbo4773 Cause not everyone is a 10 year old toddler

[@boulevarda.aladetoyinbo4773]

How so?

[@Si_Mondo]

@@davidmartinezbragado4598 10 year olds aren't toddlers....

[@mesolithicman164]

Society is merely a collection of selfish individuals if you follow her philosophy, that translates into something like 'dog eat dog'.

[@CrustyCurmudgeon]

I remember much of Mike's work from seeing him in the 60's & 70's growing up. I'm struck here by the comparison to his son, and the recent sham he made of the Trump/Biden debate. The apple really fell far from the tree, then rolled down a hill, fell in a stream, and ended up in a different universe. True enough that the participant's character has fallen as well, but journalism has died and this reminds me of what it was once like.

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

it's like the sam walton and kids situation

[@-haclong2366]

I like how he constantly attacks her ideology to ask how she would solve issues.

[@IronMike212]

Ironically, Trump agrees. Trump always told Chris he was nothing compared to his dad.

[@susansauceda9879]

I didn't know that was his son. What a shame.

[@rickypen]

This was well before corporations really found the ways to exploit news to no end. If they can feed you ideas, make them think they are your ideas, and guide your vote, your thinking, and most importantly where you invest

[@josienicholas3945]

When journalists had talent. The good old days.

[@bustermot]

I used to hear people debate her philosophy. Now we have this great clip. Thanks.

[@toryleeann8528]

I wish this type of journalism still existed. Mike Wallace may not have been a match, intellectually, for Ayn Rand, but this interview was still lovely to watch.

[@jolantamk9546]

True, his son is an absolute disgrace though

[@toryleeann8528]

@@jolantamk9546 mark wallace's son?

[@jolantamk9546]

@@toryleeann8528 Chris Wallace is Mike Wallace's son.

[@jcolt84]

Exactly! You would never hear such valuable information and truth presented on network television today.

[@robertmorrison1657]

To be fair, very few people are as intelligent as her.

[@ezpz5353]

An educational interview, he gave her time to explain her views and then challenged her views, both gave the viewer an introduction to a subject of interest. I wish we still had that kind of interview style available to us today. We would have a more enlightened, less entrenched debate than we currently enjoy amongst opponents.

[@garymcleod6772]

I feel that Wallace did an excellent interview. I read “Atlas Shrugged “ and have been interested in Rand for many years. This gave me the most insight in to her philosophy. Thank you.

[@burhack007]

Awesome interview.

[@tommyharmon214]

Everything about this interview is excellent. Wallace is asking great questions and Ayn Rand giving very intelligent and poised answers. Wallace challenges her intelligently and Rand responds eloquently. Two humans having a rational and intelligent conversation to come to truth.

[@peter58peter]

What truth?

[@RobinMayhall]

@@peter58peter If I may answer for Mr. Harmon: I think he meant that their intent was to find truth, not necessarily that they found it.

[@bbor55]

It is almost like, since we don’t see this type of conversation today, we could almost accept that her prediction of the future has been secured.

[@kevinmichaelcallihansr5053]

Independent fierce reasoning premised upon one man's purpose first is to himself. I agree with the estimates of Ayn Rand's challenges here because it makes me feel confident as a result of reasoning without added evil obligations to Others? No. But see, Brotherhood, Camaradery, a sacrifical aninmal? No. Men cannot sacrifice himself or demand of others anything they possess as morally expected? No. Love, and the late Ayn Rand, convinces me of how well she knows love when speaking about her husband; my favorite part, maybe. I've been thinking about so many on youtube I listen to as a calming agent of reason, equity, and justice by rules of laws I studied and saw applied in a court of law. RIP for both of these leanred human beings in entertainment, news, and for my mind, a recreation of sorts. Thank you kindly.

[@georgelewis3047]

Ayn Rand may have been eloquent but she was also delusional.

[@janisatwood]

Alan Stang, my late husband, was a writer for Wallace during this time. He could have written this interview. He was a regular attendee at her meetings and read one of his articles to the audience.

[@kentuckybowl-o-sticks]

NO WAY! I cannot COUNT the number of times I've recommended "REPUBLICAN PARTY, RED FROM THE START" to others. I just wish I could find an online version that doesn't contain all the nonsense characters in place of every apostrophe and quotation mark, e.g.: "Many patriots these days lament that the Republican Party has �lost its way� and �gone wrong.�" (first sentence from the article on the NewsWithViews site) I actually have corrected a Notepad version of the text, but...

[@marktrail8624]

Stang, former John Birch Society contriubutor. Good man.

[@annhinson5670]

Great interview. I read Atlas Shrugged about 20 years ago. It applys to what is happening here in America more than ever! You should read, if you haven't!

[@IceLady171509]

100% agree!

[@KDean22]

SPECTACULAR INTRODUCTION

[@jimratzlaff3112]

What she predicted for the future of our country is happening before our eyes. Atlas Shrugged has many parallels to our current social and economic realities. This interview is a gem.

[@FortheBudgies]

Except there are no companies that value extracting oil with as small a footprint as possible or who treat their workers so well they never considered unions or who give the night janitor the opportunity to rise to the top of the company or people born millionaires that don't believe in inherited wealth and start their own businesses with zero help from their parents. Francisco was amazing, Dagny even more so. I love those 2 so very much.

[@markoliver630]

She is a giant. I don’t agree with it all but love her direct approach. We have grown weak over time. She is not weak.

[@marksmith3947]

@markoliver630 she took social security and Medicare late in life in direct violation of her core beliefs. Her basic philosophy was totally opposed to humanistic values. Still, there should be no shame in accepting government help. It's a hell of a lot more respectable than having based John Galt on a child rapist/murderer she admired. The truth is , Rand was confused like a bag lady. Her " thoughts " don't deserve any attention

[@smarternu]

Spot On

[@JoeKnows44]

Only ironically. She got it all backwards.

[@Herintruththelies]

Imagine Don Lemon treating someone he disagreed with at this level of curiosity and respect. Imagine a thinker of her caliber and controversy even given 10 seconds on the air to begin with. We are in a worse place than we were back then.

[@themadmattster9647]

It was just the culture back then. Hell even for those who disagree/disagreed with William F. Buckley, he did the same type of thing when interviewing people. Far more nuance and depth. Our culture is degraded and broken down into soundbites, slogans, and hyperbole.

[@miyojewoltsnasonth2159]

@hereinlies I don't know what hole you are living in. There are plenty of people today " of her caliber and controversy" who get interviewed. Alex Jones, mostly because he's just a moron, is one of the few well known people that doesn't get interviewed. Don't believe me? Then find me a well known person you can't find an interview of on google in less than 5 minutes and reply with their name. That's my challenge to you, you silly conspiracy-hole dweller. And the same challenge goes out to anyone else who said, "I _believe_ what @hereinlies said."

[@godwantsplastic]

Hereinliesthetruth talk show hosts do this. There’s news folk who stir the pot (which you enjoy more than you’ll admit) and there’s talk show folk who dig in. The nuance is there but you’re too busy looking for opportunities to act superior to notice. #willyoujustshutupman

[@rpx8699]

Don't blame Don Lemon, blame the executives and producers at CNN and Fox. He and Tucker Carlson are just doing their jobs.

[@amartin9293]

The Left have proved that evolution is a myth. We are devolving.

[@donfaruolo1858]

A brilliant exchange that seldom occurs in the 21st century.

[@gmc9451]

I misread seldom for serfdom.

[@donfaruolo1858]

Good reading skills are essential. It's the difference between helping your Uncle, Jack, off a horse OR helping your uncle jack off a horse.

[@sanoojcools123]

It's a philosophy that walks at the face of all oriental philosophies as well. I liked the depth of questioning and the reasoned level headed responses. Very good 26 mins investment 👌

[@cjamesberrakuda4]

So many watching are distracted by the constant movement of Rand's eyes as if something were wrong with her. I however am amazed and understand how brilliant she is as she is accessing so much information from her mind. Much like the arm of a hard drive moving back and forth at high speeds across the disks to access information. She listens to the question, assesses information, forms an answer, decodes the answer in simple terms so the receiver can understand the point she is making. Incredible!

[@haywoodyoudome]

Pretty sure there's a touch of Asperger's there too.

[@samminton3810]

She’s as creepy as she is dodgy, she’s not smart... there are major holes I her theory - if you don’t think so have a look at the US in 2020, this is her vision. Monopolies don’t exist in free competition - what a load of bullshit! Private roads, yeah, real smart!!!

[@rickhoran]

@@samminton3810 The U.S. economy has never been free of government interference.

[@mikenodine6713]

English was not Rand's first language. Add to the list her sharp mind was processing that she had to translate her thoughts into English.

[@sangresolida]

@@mikenodine6713 I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. English is not my first language, but I can absolutely "think in English" to then proceed to answer a question, without needing to first translate the thought from my first language into the language I speak/write in at the moment. As an example, the mere thought of writing this comment was formed in English, as well as what I'm actually saying-no Spanish involved. Have a good day :-)

[@liamball8335]

“All depressions are caused by government interference and the cure is always offered, so far, to take more of the poisons that caused the disaster. Depressions are not the result of a free economy. “ - WOW she nails it. Very impressive. RIP AYN

[@greggallego3111]

Indeed she nailed it.

[@dongarcez]

👍

[@WSmith_1984]

Let's stop funding and participating in these psychopatic systems of control and destruction.... we either continue to participate in our own demise or we take a stand..... It's time for t4,.x boycott.

[@GallowayJesse]

100%

[@kipwonder2233]

Not sure WHAT she nailed. Governments are a collection of people. It's PEOPLE that are abusive, oppressive and corrupt. This is the case whether we're discussing a government...or a business...or a church. Eliminating government will NOT eliminate corruption, oppression, or abuse. The belief that less government will improve our situation is...questionable.

[@wess674]

I enjoy watching Wallace conducting such a professional interview. Her whole point is confusing and not something a public will even consider. I guess it was a fun book to ponder but she didn’t live in the same world as the rest of us.

[@awake13830]

That’s for sure. She was an intellectual. Not many of those today. Most people today have never learned how to think for themselves.

[@philiphii5640]

I read Fountainhead in high school and it made a huge impact on me. For years, Rand’s philosophy guided me in my life and career. But I was never truly an objectivist because I always knew it was missing an important part of reality. And that reality is human nature. True selfishness lies in looking out for others. Because when you look out for others, they will also look out for you. In a connected world, it’s important to recognize that all our actions have repercussions. If we impact others negatively with our actions, they will respond negatively. If we impact others positively, they will also respond positively too. The key to living a good life I’ve found is to forge our own destiny, to owe allegiance to no one, to be true to ourselves and most importantly, to love our fellowmen. The latter not because we want to be our brother’s keepers or for altruistic reasons, but because we want to surround ourselves with love and goodwill. This is the part that Rand missed. Human nature Is intrinsically selfish, why should others show love to me if I don’t show love to them? Unless of course if you believe in the myth of unconditional love which is a form of entitlement. A life of pure selfishness where we’re only looking out for ourselves is a very lonely life indeed.

[@greentea9335]

If you choose to "look out for others" for your own self-interest, then that is completely consistent with Objectivism. The problems arise when you are *forced* into it (by others and/or the State), or if you try to force others into it.

[@dankwilinski3271]

You've missed the point Phil. Your examples are focused on emotional attachments without regard to an intellectual reasoning. This is an immoral position to stand on since it equates all people to the same level of treatment regardless of participation, involvement, or production of the recipients. Causing an illegitimate and unrealistic standard to be expected of all. Your formula equates to E/I, which is inverse of I/E.... she's not void of emotion, love or passion, she's happily married.

[@theunknowns44]

What she said 62 years ago, could have been said last week - amazing. It shows how far down the rabbit hole we have gone since '59. It's been a long, long time since we have really lived in America.

[@craigissod6027]

Considering that she and he agreed that this downtrend was started in the 50's - and that was immediately after WWII and Korea, that doesn't leave much time for any "America as it used to be" narrative. Certainly when people were few and resources were many there was a false sense of "we can have it all" for a select few. The calculations change when you run out of stuff - and out of countries you control to get more stuff.

[@theunknowns44]

@@craigissod6027 In 1955 America had 5% of the world population, and 50% of the world's wealth. The '50s saw a huge increase in the middle class where lots of ordinary people were able to enjoy a more comfortable lifestyle. Is that so bad? Is it better to live a life of deprivation and hardship, waiting on a huge line for a chunk of bread and a piece of salami? Once the social contract between the system and the ordinary citizens was broken by the greedy global elite, in the '60s, America began to slowly nosedive. Today we're sucking wind , about to collapse. America was never perfect, but it's still a pretty damn good place to plant your ass, mister.

[@shirleya5046]

V,,cuz,a x

[@shirleya5046]

C , c

[@shangee2275]

Christianity does teach unselfishness but it also teaches that this unselfishness must not be forced. Jesus said, "No man taketh it (his life) from me. lay it down my life of myself."

[@madinge711]

“I have no faith at all, I only hold conviction.” Damn that went hard

[@lisaschuster686]

Nietzsche predicted what nihilism would lead to.

[@ERChris17]

@@lisaschuster686 100% correct

[@mr.crighton9491]

My Goodness!!! was THIS how Americans conversed/debated? I guess that really was the "good old days".....I'm shocked how respectful and intelligent they both were.

[@omahatim649]

Thank you for preserving,

[@SlapShotRegatta22]

"all depressions are caused by government interference" 100%!

[@Paretozen]

And many more depressions are prevented by government interference.

[@greentea9335]

​@@Paretozen Without government interference the free market *continually* self-corrects so there is never any reason for the economy to ever be anything but balanced.

[@HasinaiMan]

In a nutshell, Financial panics and depressions (economic booms and busts) are usually caused by out-of-control financial operators pumping up the value of something then cashing out first before everyone else, look at the Great Depression of 1929 (too many people buying on margin or credit then the whole over-inflated valuation cycle collapsed when people had to pay back their borrowed money with stocks that became worthless virtually overnight.) In 2008, the Great Recession was triggered by over-valued real estate, banks and mortgage brokers lending money to people who had no business borrowing money at such high interest rates. Then as loan/mortgage defaults snowballed some people got left holding worthless paper in the form of loans/mortgages that were used for collateral, for example “no documents” mortgages, and back loaded-balloon payment/adjustable interest rate loans/mortgages. (Lenders couldn’t pass up high interest rate borrowers because they saw dollar signs, coupled with institutions lying about the value and over-rated the safety of certain mortgage based securities that were being traded until those securities were revealed as very risky and wildly overinflated in value, that became worthless as people defaulted.) “Government interference” through regulation puts the brakes on unscrupulous people trying to “pump and dump” i.e. build up the value of something more than it’s truly worth then sell-off or “dump” the over-valued item before everyone else catches on to the ruse, leaving them holding on to valueless products (common wisdom is to hold on to stocks/securities, etc., over the long haul, apparently that’s not always true, especially when Con-artist/criminal types are allowed to legally “game the rules” or get oversight and laws weakened or abolished.) Lack of government regulation and oversight allows white collar criminal types a space to operate which in turn leads to more frequent economic boom and bust cycles as these unscrupulous folks suck value out of the economy in exchange for paper and collateral of less than equitable value, do the research.

[@ellenchavez2043]

Mike Wallace and many of his journalism contemporaries, were "Murrow's Boys", either trained directly or by proteges of Edward R. Murrow. He revolutionized journalism with reports from the field. His reporters did live as well as printed reporting. Murrow said he preferred hiring folks with Liberal Arts degrees as their knowledge of Languages, History, arts, science, math gave them breadth and scope to whatever stories they were working on. Mike Wallace, Dan Rather, Walter Cronkite, Eric Severide, Ben Bradley, William Shrier were among those directly mentored or were trained by proteges. Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings, Charlie Rose (until he went off the rails), Christiane Amampour took up the mantle. Judy Woodruff and Gwen Infill ( I think that's her name - fantastic journalist) presented news without noise. Democracy will not last without objective, truthful reporting.

[@OnePost909]

Ed Murrow made CBS News great but it's worth noting that NBC News was equally great in those years. Huntley/Brinkley ate Cronkite's lunch in the ratings for years. Edwin Newman was outstanding. Frank McGee. John Chancellor. Sander Vanocur.. Etc.

[@pkprabhakaran]

Wonderful interview. 😊

[@jamespyers_wiresworld]

"All monopolies in history were established with the help of Government". -- Ayn Rand -- Truth.

[@cherylkelmar]

Yes. An example is how my local and national news is always telling me about Amazon; giving them free advertising for their monopoly that small businesses have to pay for. I won't spend a penny on Amazon and Besos.

[@andybaker5466]

How true!

[@ruthbridges3673]

@@cherylkelmar I used to avoid Amazon by buying on eBay. Now their sellers are using Amazon fulfillment to store and ship product. It appears Amazon is snapping up all shipping alternatives and/or using them as delivery partners. Includes USPS and UPS now too. Our current political system allows the biggest business to cannibalize it's rivals until we only have one choice. Who in the government engineered that? How do we reverse it now?

[@srbaruchi]

@ShadeyBladey I don't think you understand who/what the Nazis were. There is nothing in the Nazi philosophy that would appeal to Rand.

[@hydrolito]

Check out video about Dr. Burzynski this is an example of that.

[@juniormendoza657]

Not one time did they interrupt one another nor did she not answer any questions. She gave direct concise answers. When journalism was actual journalism

[@anyfriendofkevinbaconisafr177]

Did you watch the interview? He actually apologized for interrupting her in an obtuse way suggesting that she not letting him have a chance. ... And what is this superficial judgement that there was journalism going on. He was propagandizing, just for a much more sophisticated audience than today - when most people read books for fun.

[@steveroman3729]

@@anyfriendofkevinbaconisafr177 Well she is challenging their agenda and the media is controlled by people that want their 2800 slaves according to their religious text and that we are merely cattle, a product of slavery for them to live comfortable.

[@michaelorosz272]

You kidding me? that's all he did was interrupt her.

[@jogendron6320]

Journalism is still real journalism. You just don’t wanna learn how to read properly.

[@anyfriendofkevinbaconisafr177]

@@jogendron6320 As if!! Get real. Humans are a fickle and egocentric lot on the whole. Journalism is inevitably a shade of yellow. Anyone who denies it is either too idealistic or too cynical.

[@susanpolin2619]

I Read Ayn Rand at age Eighteen. Ive Grown Up 40yrs more. So OUTGROWN her philosophy. I APPRECIATE Mike Wallace in this interview. 🙏👆🇺🇸

[@mtman2]

Ayn avows self first and to deny the Scriptures, Christ and the Spirit of God in our heart...! However mankind cannot move forward morally in Principles and foundational values that will not crumble under the weight of conflicting tides for having NO foundational truths ends in anarchy = as WE sèè here today which will require a tyrannical dictatorship just as she said and its coming on stage in DC as WE speak...! Miss Rand- "Very few are worthy of love" = what's then to be done with "those not deserving" ~ - Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pol just shot or starved them to death in the millions at a time...? So then what of the Love of Jesus, His teaching, His Words, His sacrifice and in His Ultimate Purpose in coming to and for us as the chosen underpining and pervading a nation = NO not theocracy but a Godly minded people by conviction and choice - or the Luciferian "money changers" will win and Atheist MarXism IS the tool of choice by them to install their NWO by control of the worlds monetary systems to create a proletariate peasant class once again with no Constitution nor any God given unalienable Rights...? These things He was and did were what changed the Western World radically Esp geometrically after the Reformation from which directly formed and eminated the Pilgrims + Puritans whom went to build in the New World the governing of society + culture based on the honor of Scriptural and Christ centered truths for mankind to then build a just nation upon ~ " loving your neighbor as yourself" only second to putting God first as the goal of honoring Him first...!

[@cathypalus4006]

Thanks for sharing

[@bobolson7610]

Wallace: "Do you actually predict dictatorship and economic disaster for the United States?" Rand: "If the present collectivist trend continues and if the present anti-reason philosophy continues, then yes, that is the way the country is going." Sixty years later, here we are, on the brink of financial collapse and dictatorship. She correctly anticipated the trajectory of the United States, and was a visionary.

[@themadmattster9647]

we've got to fight this

[@MaGuFer]

She definitely got that part right. Only the name of Communism has changed, during her times it was Collectivism, now it's Progressivism. Marx was clever!

[@themadmattster9647]

@@MaGuFer im considered a progressive because i believe a welfare state ala northern europe- but on a societal level and with cultural things im considered libertarian

[@MaGuFer]

@@themadmattster9647 You can hide your Communist tendencies under a number of labels, but it won't work.

[@cpetr670]

Trumpism is the rotten fruits of Ayn Rand's narcissism... Extreme Individualism and collectivism lead to the same dark path of authoritarianism...Both are devoid of understanding of human nature

[@lawlcats007]

There's something personable and intimate about the interviewer lighting up a smoke. This interview is like an exciting conversation between friends who are genuinely interested in what the other has to say. There's no hype, no gotcha moments, no insults, no cynicism, just honesty and respect.

[@perniciouspete4986]

You sound like a smoker.

[@yatanko]

she is not interested in what he has to say really. only if he could surprise her or not

[@bremlquan]

Hm. I read the cigarette as a dig against her principle of actualization and independence, as she was addicted/physically dependent on them

[@bremlquan]

As he concurrently mocks her known position she would state at the end of the interview, "out of my own mind"

[@peter58peter]

honesty respectfully scripted.

[@meisterwue]

What an excellent & exciting Television Broadcast

[@StateoftheMatrix]

I would have thought that the way she articulates being and end in oneself was with reference to Kant: "Man-every man-is an end in himself, not a means to the ends of others." Kant insisted that we treat ourselves and others as ends not means. The differences lie in the way she uses self-interest to inform this, while Kant attempts to universalize certain actions, which could be sacrificial to self-interest and certainly altruistic. Self-interest bears a reference to Aristotle via his point that we should seek our own well-being and to improve ourselves and so on. With these ideas blended, self-interest becomes the motivation for action not the selfless version of altruism associated with alternative moralities, which is different to saying we wouldn't help each other; it really identifies the cause in a different way. This is important as it should orient the individual to behave differently dynamically based on strong personal values resulting in a refusal to go along with certain things that provide no personal benefit as you may find with unreasonable self-sacrifice. Moreover, she isn't solipsistic, so we are obligated to recognise that others deserve teh same rights and must be treated as ends. It wouldn't be in your self-interest to debase yourself and your own obligations to yourself and your own rights by trampling on others who have essentially the same rights and obligations; this would be seen as objectively wrong due to the internal contradiction that it presents logically, breaking the law of non-contradiction. It could also be seen as carrying psycho-social risk as such dissonance would undermine the psyche, and the social effects of this could result in being targeted by those who are made aware of the ethical infraction. hindering your potential to thrive.

[@kayjay7780]

two professionals in a thoughtful discourse - no longer possible

[@dougb4956]

Sure it is. Be a professional and act accordingly and hang out with other like people and have interesting and stimulating conversation. Just exclude the dumpers! 🙂

[@jcmangan]

Two things confused here, professionalism still possible, it`s the thought that lacks.

[@DSnake655]

Not popular at the moment. People rather the yelling over of each other at round table "discussions."

[@albertusmagnus5829]

I'm not a smoker but in a funny way it adds a certain charm and authenticity to this wonderful discourse - anyone who loves this quality of debate should look up the Bryan McGee philosophy and political interviews from BBC they are treasure...

[@marknewton6984]

No longer possible.

[@MrPeaceandLiberty]

“When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing [obviously bankers]- When you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors - When you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you - When you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice - You may know that your society is doomed.” ― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

[@reformedbear1479]

I’m not sure it’s bankers but rather government. Like needing licensing to provide a good

[@PatrickKQ4HBD]

Ever the cheerful Russian! 😀

[@rodneyoneil2812]

Man I think you should be able to get sick Note a

[@gillesandfio8440]

Banking is actually a vital and useful industry. You have equivocated centralized banking with the legitimate industry of banking. Likewise applies to healthcare, infrastructure, and education.

[@bogofusion]

She was speaking about the Soviet Union. Capitalism yields the same results when not tempered by social values. She condemned medicare, but used it.

[@daviddunn4061]

Beautiful, I've read all her books... freaking love the books.. makes total sense to me.

[@Tet.1.18]

Mike Wallace. Wow! The man really did his homework and conducted a superb interview here. Inspiring journalism.

[@gbennett58]

He didn't even know that her philosophy was called objectivism.

[@heyokaempath5802]

Mike was a legend.

[@moniqueengleman873]

And smoking a cigarette 🚬

[@moniqueengleman873]

@@gbennett58 you didn't either. Give it a rest.

[@jamesportrais3946]

@@moniqueengleman873 🤣

[@HMFamilyLife]

"A majority cannot vote a man's rights, property or freedoms away" That is, they cannot morally do so.

[@subjectofgov]

But the majority did in fact allow, through complacency, the 2nd amendment to be replaced by privilege and controlled by the very gov it was designed to protect people against.

[@davidmajor1508]

@@subjectofgov Thus confirming what Rand said.

[@standalon3308]

Rights, only if we recognize that rights are God-given, and not lent by man. Then they cannot be morally voted away. The same is true of freedoms. The same is true of the RIGHT to property. Back to #1.

[@TheOneAndOnlyZeno1889]

@@standalon3308 Nice religious-theft of the truth, dumb fundamentalists can not take let any opportunity pass to spread there lies and bullshit.

[@Frankowillo]

@@standalon3308 : Religion was born when the first scoundrel met the first fool. Enjoy your ignorance, you fool!

[@Nikolai1939]

I'm yet to see a philosopher as direct as Ayn Rand. No flowery language, no cryptic messages, only her direct views

[@charwest9449]

A brilliant woman. The one thing altruistic philosophies lack is any recognition of human nature and reason as the prime motivator and creator of happiness. This makes them imbalanced.

[@wiseasha]

Brilliant??? I think not.

[@charwest9449]

@@wiseasha I do consider her brilliant, a brilliant and original thinker. I see by your profile you prefer to be guided by astrology. So who would you consider brilliant?

[@jamesgichuru167]

@@charwest9449I wouldn’t say brilliant, I’d say genius. To your point, by definition morons cannot understand brilliance. So I wouldn’t bother with Mr Healing Crystals.

[@rebekah0207]

On the contrary, altruistic religions (at least Christianity) recognizes the selfishness that is at the heart of human nature and have antidotes to it. Her philosophy seems very selfish and heartless and only satisfying as long as a person is mentally and physically healthy. If they cease to have those qualities, or if their family members cease to have those qualities, they will be miserable (or miserable to be around).

[@charwest9449]

@@rebekah0207 That's not contrary, that's supporting what I said. You're saying they're working AGAINST human nature, see it as bad, have antidotes for it. This is not the same thing as appreciating that these traits have their place in our survival. Selfishness, self preservation, in human nature is balanced out by empathy and love, but it can be a case of putting your own oxygen mask on first. In terms of motivation no one wants to slave away all their life for others or "the greater good". Slavery never works to motivate humans or create happiness. . Humans are not built that way.

[@pollyfoofoo8703]

How is it there are no adult conversations like this any longer on tv

[@garyhughes1664]

I was thinking much the same. This is quality interview.

[@MisterAMuck]

I believe it's a reflection of our School System, I could be wrong. Me being born in 1962, became disabled in 83, but my 2 oldest Brothers are 17 and 18 years older, and are both retired Nuclear Engineers. I know my Education would have never gotten me there at all. There was one at four years my senior that did well, still see a difference in commanding such a level of success to be honest. Take Care.....

[@slappydoolittle7329]

Because they are just as rare as unicorns.

[@fboness368]

Because the establishment decided an ill-informed, non-thinking populous was easier to control than the opposite.

[@arthurnorton284]

Because that is not the purpose of TV. You assume that TV is for your amusement and possibly educational. Wrong. Today the purpose of television is to influence you at a minimum and brainwash you at best. Also to gather information about your interests and buying habits. Pretty yucky. I wish I were wrong.

[@jonnyflash5110]

What a fascinating perspective and interview. The world has certainly went from intelligent to belligerent.

[@taylorburton7820]

has gone, yes.

[@mr.t8369]

Has gone from not has went from.

[@jonnyflash5110]

Both wrong

[@tomscott4438]

I agree. And why? Because people took her ideals and applied them. Why do you think the ultra wealthy and this new morally bankrupt version of the Republican Party can't stop talking about her? Her infantile, juvenile, selfish, philosophy is exactly what they were looking for. You read her as a teenager and then when you grow up you realize she is offering nothing more than a roadmap on how to be a self-centered douchebag.

[@waqarhasan5]

@@jonnyflash5110 Yes, you are completely wrong.