The Milk-Industrial Complex: Why You Don't Need to Drink Milk

Readers of Aaron's blog know of his beef with the milk industrial complex. Why does milk, of all beverages, get a pass in our efforts to reduce everyone's caloric intake? Why is it encouraged, when all others are shunned? Is it because you need the calcium? Is it because it makes your bones stronger? Watch, and learn why the milk emperor has no clothes.
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[@thescowlingschnauzer]

Having grown up in Europe and moved to the US for college, it's amazing to me how people here in the US obsessively delineate between bad foods to shut out at all costs and good foods to be ingested militantly. Of course they end up out of balance. Then they feel this huge sense of betrayal when it turns out a good food is a bad food. But other than poison, nutrition is never about good and bad. It's about balance.

[@someguy2135]

What is healthier than a "balanced" diet? A diet of healthier foods with a lot of variety. For example, a whole food plant based diet is the healthiest option.

[@electroshakyeee2474]

ok but if i stopped drinking milk will i start teleporting randomly around the room like you?

[@jeroldtoomey9362]

Yes. You will willfully be teleporting to the kitchen on starving belly superdrive. Or to the moooon for that great green sky cheeze. Mamma's milk is the best but I can't remember drinking it somehow???

[@rumplstiltztinkerstein]

I knew it! That's why they make so much milk commercials these days. To suppress our powers..

[@deonvanzyl7970]

@@lapislee Really? Calves are drinking pus? Fuck, no wonder the Right wants to exterminate you.

[@virilitytraining]

electroshakyeee that tickled me

[@jasonforbes159]

Looks like the milk companies were really....milking it.....heh...heh...he-ok I'll leave

[@mrtopsyt1]

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[@elgostine]

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[@lucasthorne8021]

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[@washuuchan6644]

A++++++++++

[@JamalFuckinKilla]

Boooooo!

[@anne-mareegray8762]

I lived in an Asian country for 11 years. They ate almost no dairy and had rates of osteoporosis much lower than that of Western countries. Dairy is supposed to prevent that, too.

[@girlscanbedrummers5449]

I'm American and I nor does anyone else I known have problems from drinking milk just saying 🤷 not trying to dispute any claims, but it's gotta be something else not just milk I mean we are trash food Central.

[@JordannGeorge]

@@girlscanbedrummers5449 yes, we must look at their entire diet. they eat a lot if fish. we might as well say that it's fish that is causing the lower rates of osteoporosis

[@Teaj383]

THANK YOU. I was talking to my coworkers the other day about how they don't need milk and they remained unconvinced. Now I can show them this video and the studies to show them.

[@Teaj383]

@Gee Schwag I'm not going to actually reply to you, cause I'm lazy today, and you're technically not wrong but internet discussions wear me out. I'm just going to be surprised people see my comments from 6 years ago XD Hi!

[@NwahWAttitude]

This is the first time one of these videos has straight up busted one of my preconceptions. I like it.

[@Pandaluver67899]

Became a vegetarian and stopped drinking milk a few months ago, now I'm trying to cut out all dairy out of my diet completely, for all the reasons you stated. There are other ways to get "calcium" in your diet, although many studies say that too much can be harmful.

[@michaelcook]

im becoming masochistic for having life long delusions debunked

[@MrDylan2125]

Join the club.

[@SunnyTheGentleFox]

The moral of the story? Everything in moderation. Don't feed your two-year-old child a third of a gallon of milk every day.

[@RoseTorn411]

Or any cow milk at that.

[@herbbowler2461]

Don't feed your two year old any milk if it has beened from it's mother That is if you want a healthy child.

[@moonlitfractal]

I don't think that "no other mammals drink milk as adults" is a valid argument. No other mammals wear shoes, either. Humans aren't other mammals. Many groups of humans have evolved to metabolize dairy, and that's fine. This said, I agree with the basic premise of the video. Milk is a caloric beverage that should be limited like anything else. However, the feeding habits of "other mammals" are completely irrelevant to the discussion.

[@healthcaretriage]

And those things aren't sold as nutritionally "necessary".

[@catherinewelsh7828]

moonlitfractal Well put. I would add that if any carnivore animal found a carcass that contained milk, they would drink it.

[@doublej82]

Healthcare TriageNo other mammals cook their meat either, but I'm not going to start chowing down on raw hamburger. The idea that because something isn't natural means we don't need it doesn't seemed very evidence based. The rest of the video was eye opening, but I'm always skeptical of arguments based on how humans survived thousands of years ago, so this particular argument seemed weak, even if your overall point is evidence based.

[@knittytofu]

"No other mammals drink milk as adults" is a valid agrument, because we actually lose the enzyme lactate after around age 3. 75% of the human population is lactose intolerant (meaning they experience symptoms such as stomach cramps, nausea, diarrhea etc) because, humams are NOT designed to be digesting milk as adults, even breast milk. Comparing this to other mammals makes it clear that milk is only intended for infants. Cow's milk is designed for a baby cow to grow into a 500 pound cow in around about a year... not for humans, so how an earth can it be healthy for us? There's loads of antibodies in cow's milk (not including the ones caused by injecting antibiotics into the average dairy cow so she can survive the terrible, dirty, overcrowded conditions that make cows prone to infections) to help the baby cow to grow strong, but the human body doesn't recognise these antibodies and other substances, hence causes a immflamatory response, such as the formation of muccus. Shoes is completely unrelated to nurition.

[@doublej82]

Hannah McDonald, you present a lot of valid arguments why we don't need milk. And those in turn help explain why other mammals don't drink milk as adults. But by itself, "No other mammals drink milk as adults" seems to fall under the "Appeal to nature" fallacy.

[@thes0mething]

I've been allergic to milk protein my whole life and when I was a toddler, my mum got told by a bunch of doctors that to stop giving me milk would be outright dangerous (because it's so natural to drink baby cow food). Luckily my mum called bullshit and decided to quit giving me milk despite the "danger". My stormage would have been seriously messed up.

[@el_scapoo]

Your mom is stupid af. Thinking that you know any better than specialists is straight up delusional and idolizing this behavior is even more stupid.

[@Gigaheart]

"An Oreo without Milk is close to a SIN." Best line.

[@someguy2135]

He seemed to be unaware of plant milk alternatives. They are delicious too. And unlike dairy milk, you can get them with less sugar, or no sugar.

[@MrAntiRascist]

​@@someguy2135plant milk alternatives? Please noo

[@someguy2135]

@@MrAntiRascist It sounds like you tried one that you didn't like. There are very many others that you haven't tried. They taste different from milk, but just as good or better. If you insist on dairy milk, a new product line now exists that is the equivalent of lab made meat- Cow free dairy milk made from precision fermentation. The brand is "Perfect Day." They also make an ice cream made from it called "Brave Robot."

[@ellinorhansson7118]

I live in Sweden, a place where a lot of people drink milk with basically every meal. As long as the milk is 100% organically produced, with the health of nature, the cows and humans in mind, I feel like it's a great compliment to a healthy diet! As a vegetarian I often end up eating less calories than recommended for me, so milk is a fantastic way for me to get the nutrients that I need and keep my diet varied!

[@Asrahn]

Daym straight, and besides, it's delicious!

[@InorganicVegan]

Ellinor Hansson Organic is not better for you.

[@tabula_rosa]

Diana Peña necessarily*

[@InorganicVegan]

Deshara No. It's just not better for you, period. Seriously, even this channel has a video on it. Organic is not better in any nutritional sense.

[@ellinorhansson7118]

Diana Peña I think the well being of the cows and nature is well worth paying a little extra. I understand if not everyone can afford it and justifies buying "normal" food by saying it doesn't matter. But it does, it really does.

[@MathAndComputers]

In case anyone else was wondering, I decided to check some labels. Skim Milk: 90 Cal per 250 mL 2% Milk: 130 Cal per 250 mL Pulp Free, Unsweetened Orange Juice from Concentrate: 120 Cal per 250 mL (Edited: oops, I misread the label!) Yes, skim milk has very slightly more sugar content in it, but only because when you remove one thing from a set of things, everything else now takes up a larger portion of the total. Removing fat from milk increases the percentage of everything else, so 250mL of skim milk has a slightly higher amount taken up by sugars. The difference is negligible when compared against the sugar content of juices or pop / soda / fizzy drinks.

[@sageyash]

When you remove the fat the volume will decrease, a 5% sugar of 250ml with no fat is the same as a 5% sugar of 250ml with fat.

[@MathAndComputers]

sageyash You might want to re-read that. Suppose, (for nice round numbers, not realistic numbers), fat was 50% of the first 250mL and sugars are 5%. If you remove the 50% fat, you have 125mL, of which that same amount of sugars now makes up 10%. In order to make 250mL, you need twice as much, so you double everything left, so sugar still makes up 10%, and the amount is twice as much as the original. It's not as drastic as that, of course, because fat doesn't make up 50% of milk; it just illustrates that the amount of sugar per volume does increase when you remove other things.

[@sageyash]

You're right, my bad Mr. Dickson. :)

[@MathAndComputers]

No worries! It took a bit for me to figure it out too.

[@codediporpal]

Yeah, but that's concentrated OJ. You dilute that 4 to 1. You might was well compare evaporated milk to fresh OJ.

[@DaScribbler]

Through the whole video I was just thinking, "but, but, it's so delicious, and what will I drink with cake and chocolate and....." >Oreo without milk is close to a sin I agree completely.

[@someguy2135]

Try plant milks. One of them is bound to please you. There are so many to choose from. I would start with almond andcoconut with vanilla flavor. The coconut makes it richer.

[@lazzo000]

@@someguy2135 Vegan detected

[@optimisticallyskeptical1842]

@@lazzo000 Yep, it seems you're right. But he does have a point, almond milk is an acceptable alternative, and my favorite meal is steak and eggs!! I stopped drinking milk some time ago except for a little half and half with my morning coffee.

[@TheIppus]

@@optimisticallyskeptical1842 Almond milk isn't much more environmentally-friendly than cows' milk, if that's why you're doing it. Cows produce more greenhouse gases, but almonds take a ton of water to grow, and producing almond milk takes even more. They end up using more water per gallon of milk than cows. And they're mostly grown in places that don't have a lot of water to go around, like California's drought-stricken central valley.

[@optimisticallyskeptical1842]

@@TheIppus hmm, Your talking about water like its a precious thing. It is, but its also in abundance. Matter can neither be created nor destroyed so the total volume of water on Earth does not change. I don't care how much is "being used up". And besides, trees only use water to transport nutrients to the leaf and then release it to the atmosphere creating water vapor. Please educate yourself on how these cycles work. Start with Krebbs cycles which also applies to carbon, nitrogen, and oxygen.

[@tiesthijsthejs]

Sir Aaron, what to do with Osteoporosis? My gf was tested due to family, doctors found she has a very early stage. To prevent a life of pain and collapsing in old age, she's on higher dosages of calcium (as well as vitamin D), besides following the diet advice to consume diary products. If calcium (via for instance milk) doesn't associate with stronger bones to prevent fractures, what about the association with bone mineral density, as with osteoporosis? Greetings from Denmark....

[@InorganicVegan]

It doesn't lead to differences in normal people. After all, milk contains a lot more calcium than you can absorb in one sitting, so it doesn't have an effect greater than eating a normal milkless diet.

[@randomusername587]

Look into Magnesium supplementation, especially transdermal magnesium chloride. It's easiest for the body to absorb throughout the skin, much easier than through the digestive tract. In fact, the body needs magnesium to properly absorb calcium.

[@PinAViolet]

there are studies that show that digesting the acidic parts of dairy products requires more calcium than is in the product, so your body has to take it from your bones. milk would then make osteoporosis or osteopenia worse

[@cravenlunatic1]

When i was a teenager, i developed (what i interpreted to be) a slight intolerance to dairy. I switched most of my dairy intake to soy substitutes, which took some getting used to. After a while, i found i was still able to eat dairy based cheese, yogurt, and even milk in small amounts, but by then dairy milk had lost its appeal for me. I started drinking almond milk instead, which has a better taste, and works great in tea and cereal. I still eat cheese (in large amounts, because i love it), but i don't miss milk at all.

[@cravenlunatic1]

***** Good to know, thanks for the info. I'll have to look into it myself to confirm, of course. But i don't even drink almond milk very frequently anymore.

[@DarkHuschel]

I had the same "problem" so to speak. I switched to soy milk due to not being able to digest milk much anymore, and at first it took me time to get used to it, but once I did and I ended up drinking a bit of milk again later, the milk tasted absolutely vile, haha.

[@greenfire61]

I would like to hear about the health implications of drinking other types of "milk" such as soy, almond, and rice milk. Especially given that there has been some concern over whether the estrogen in soy really does cause anything.

[@someguy2135]

You would have to drink a ridiculous amount of soy milk to cause any problems. The Japanese eat a lot of soy products and they are the healthiest country. If you are worried, just drink one of the other plant milks.

[@malvo4]

Thanks, you have rid me of the guilt of lying to my mom that I have been taking my calcium supplements. I always had a feeling they didn't do much, since I have read that regular exercise does more to strengthen bones than calcium does. I'll just stick to running.

[@Asrahn]

Amid the heaviest training during my hockey days, I averaged some 1.3 gallons of milk per day. Taking average care of my dental hygiene, I've had no issues what so ever with my teeth, my nails are still strangely well-kept in spite of me not using (or ever having used) any kind of cosmetics for it, I still have healthy hair, and have seemed rather resistant to bone fractures and breakage. I've never suffered any deficiency of iron, but that could perhaps be explained through my regular consumption of blood-based dishes, such as swedish blood pudding. Nor have I had any stomach issues with my milk intake, but then again, I can basically eat spoiled food and get away with a bit of an upset stomach the next day. Conversely, my girlfriend's mother suffered from calcium deficiency, and is now stuck with some manner of bone brittleness. I'm well aware that anecdotal evidence requires statistical backing to be of any use (and that my consumption was, to say the least, excessive), making my above story virtually worthless in an actual, formal argument, but I just wanted to establish that I come from a very... milky background. My issue with this video is that I can't help but feel that Aaron makes it sound like we basically don't need the milk's calcium at all, as adults; but for many up here in the north, milk is the prime intake of calcium, and for some it's the only one. Equaling it to a beverage like soda, or some manner of garnish to add a "tasty" factor to other foods, is in my eyes potentially detrimental for those who require calcium through their milk intake. And hip fractures be damned, what about all the other benefits of calcium? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium#Nutrition I'm not saying "drink like me, you bastards", I'm just concerned that dissing excessively on milk in terms of its actual benefits and downplaying calcium's functions of the body can make some people swing the other way entirely, and think you don't need it at all.

[@patrick5372]

Your diet has to be so f**ked up to not get calcium from other sources that milk consumption shouldn't be the first place you go. If you have any sort of meaningful variety in your diet (and absent a hereditary condition), things like Vitamin D intake and exercise will be far far more correlated with bone density than calcium. That should be another thing you get from all these studies. Its not just about milk. Frankly, high calcium intake just isn't as important as other things when it comes to bone health-regardless of where in your diet it comes from.

[@Asrahn]

***** Granted, albeit my main point is not bone density, but rather concerns over insufficient calcium intake through branding milk a product meant to be used for cereal (which by far not everyone here eats), and to dip your oreos in. Again, I'm not arguing a high calcium intake, as it (as established) can even be harmful, as everything can be if excessively consumed. I'm just saying that for people who don't get much calcium other than through their milk, the notion of milk being virtually useless other than for "being tasty" may have them skip out on it out of fear of the calories - which could very well lead to deficiency.

[@LinnersC]

Asrahn Many vegetables have a lot more calcium than milk (Kale, broccoli, spinach, garlic), are better and more efficiently absorbed than the calcium in milk, and don't have the harms of the excess sugars that even lactose tolerant people cannot digest that well and possible hormones in milk. I read a study (I don't have it on hand I'd have to go find it again) that looked at places where the population was mostly all lactose intolerant and found that those people did not have near the levels of bone disease (brittleness/breaks/osteoporosis) that places that regularly push milk as necessary like the USA. Remember correlation and causation, they weren't saying that milk causes the bone disease, I think it has to do with a lot of other factors, but drinking milk isn't making bone disease better. Don't get me wrong, I love milk and drink more or less a 4 litre jug once a week for myself. I'm also vegetarian and its a good source of vitamin B12 and protein. But out of all the studies that I've seen I have yet to see a conclusive study that shows that any diet that is without milk is lacking in calcium to the point of deficiency and disease. There really isn't a good health-based reason to drink milk regularly after childhood.

[@masterkey6596]

@@Asrahn studies show you are more likely to have a heart attack by supplementing calcium. Always have k2mk7 if you take calcium and D3.

[@cincin4515]

Agree. But this is an anti milk rant. Like most misinformation on KZbin you have to take it with a grain of salt. Millions of people consume milk without issues until they see this and start self diagnosing every little thing wrong as a milk allergy.

[@Trancecend]

I've spent most of my life trying to figure out why I get outbreaks of pimples. It wasn't until a few years ago I found out it was milk, AND IM NOT LACTOSE INTOLERANT... thats the kicker. Something in milk messes me up.

[@matthewk1]

Its the hormones in milk

[@Trancecend]

Yeah thats what I concluded. But it's gotta be the native cow-hormones, because we don't add artificial growth hormones to our cows in Denmark.

[@matthewk1]

Trancecend Yeah it is. Cows milk is naturally full of hormones because baby cows are dependent on it to grow.

[@95Gabe]

+Trancecend Thats you. Not everyone.

[@Trancecend]

95Gabe Are you a milk lobbyist? I specifically wrote that this was me.

[@VulcanTrekkie45]

I drink a moderate amount of milk. Not because of any facts that the milk industry has told me, but simply because I like milk.

[@princesskatie331]

Aww.... but milk is my favorite. Though this would make Edward Elric really happy.

[@estherw3213]

Did you just make a Fullmetal Alchemist reference with a Healthcare Triage video? You are a genius

[@allisond.46]

You can still drink it if you want to.

[@aevenstar100]

Guys, calm down, he's not saving milk is bad. He's just saying it isn't some miracle health-food and parents shouldn't be pumping gallons of it into their kids. Like he said, everything in moderation is fine. And yeah, for an adult a glass of milk is still probably more 'healthy' overall than a glass of coke. It's just not going to give you Wolverine bones, ok? He's a smart guy, he's just pointing out the oddity of the slight obsession we seem to have with milk. He noted that people keep saying 'eat less calories', but it doesn't apply to milk. Note he didn't say that calories were BAD or that milk was BAD or anything like that. He's also not one of those idiots who think that stuff like milk/dairy/cheese will give you cancer or autism something (yes, those people are real, I have talked to some of them). He's just pointing out a breakpoint between cultural appropriation and scientific fact.

[@kaitlynamey7121]

This video was shocking to me! My whole life I was told that I had to drink at least 3 cups of milk to get strong bones and to help my body grow by both my parents and pediatrician. As a child going into my teen years with Type One Diabetes, I would visit multiple doctors and all of them started to get worried when I wasn't growing at the average rate of most children my age. My parents made sure that I drank 3 cups of milk a day with a certain substance to try and help my growth rate increase that was prescribed by my pediatrician. I ended up growing only a little bit more after drinking the milk that was prescribed to me but not much before I stopped growing completely. After watching this video I wonder if the prescribed milk I had to drink actually worked or if my body just took it natural course. I found it extremely interesting that drinking milk has actually been proven to have no kind of effect on a persons risk for fracture or benefitting it. I also think that he made a good point that doctors are always trying to reduce an adults calorie intake but never seem to mention to decrease their intake of milk since it has so many calories. I never knew that non-fat milk has more sugar in it then whole milk does either. I do agree with him that infants and children under 2 should be breastfed and drink milk daily to stimulate their initial growth. However after watching this video I don't think everyone needs to drink milk every day for their is really no benefit like he said as well.

[@lalem91]

Yeah unfortunately there's a link between milk consumption and type one diabetes, as well, I think due to the casein... Pretty awful stuff. I'm very sorry for your health troubles :(

[@sparkle0859]

Kaitlyn Amey There's scientific evidence that shows that milk can greatly increase the risk of developing Type 1 Diabetes.

[@AnAutisticPsychologist]

I drink milk because I like it. But I don't drink litres of it. I drink 1 or 2 decilitres per day. But I don't delude myself into thinking that it'll save my life or something. I just like it. I also like yoghurt and cheese. But hey, I also like wine and chocolate...

[@Helpoing]

Wine over milk every day!

[@Sreven199]

Can't argue with that.

[@deep_fried_analysis]

***** Seriously. What does NOT cause cancer nowadays.

[@HenMonster]

***** The protein that dfsdfsdfsetc... was referring to is Casein. It's present only in animal products, specifically milk. Colin Campbell is an amazing scientist who did lots of research on Aphlatoxin & casein to monitor tumor growth in rats. His book "The China Study" is a great read for anyone half interested in diet/preventative health. If reading a largely scientific and statistics heavy book doesn't interest you, check out Forks Over Knives. Both have all of the scientists/doctors/dietitians mentioned above.

[@TheBoldImperator]

"Read my book" No. Learn to paraphrase arguments or get out.

[@spikeguy33]

But cheese is still fine, right? Right?! Please tell me my ass won't bleed from too much cheese.

[@AristarchFootler]

rofl

[@Sreven199]

+AristarchFootler I second this action ^

[@iwnunn7999]

+UrbanTarzan Duh lol

[@blahblah3485]

+UrbanTarzan Duh Your body's production of lactase (the enzyme needed to digest lactose, the sugar in milk) slows down after infancy and continues to decrease as you grow older. When those sugars are not digested, they stick to the walls of your intestines and rot there. Read up on it, I suddenly became lactose intolerant a few years ago, but I'm now so disgusted by what milk actually does to the body that I don't even want to try the lactose-free versions. Yuck.

[@GsBBoyDan]

+UrbanTarzan Duh Cheese is worse, it's highly condensed milk. it also has renet in it, which is literally the stomach lining of a baby calf. Try plant based cheeses, they taste the same.

[@Mellosaxsexy]

My issue with your argument is the extensive emphasis on calories. Calories are good for a person... it's what allows us to function. The only issue with calories is intake vs usage of calories. I also wonder how would milk straight for a cow (or with minimal processing) compare to heavily proccesed milk?

[@jluuiggins]

1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ik-imu93cyQ/TMxZBwyrJqI/AAAAAAAAAaQ/BXdfKrP69aA/s1600/White+Gold.jpg Yumm

[@othertestchannelbeta]

The key-point of the argument was that milk is not as good for our bones and general health as the Milk people would have you believe. Most Americans take in way more calories than they use, hence the general state of our health.

[@Mellosaxsexy]

Verifed InTest The evil Milk people! Why do "most Americans matter".... if we are testing on supposedly healthy individuals. Also, besides the fact that was not my point, you would rather have people drink soda? Milk tastes good, a young children enjoy it, it is common, and does bear some nutritional value even to adults. Lastly, you just tried to link milk to bad health in the US..... How about linking levels of inactivity, and McDonalds. (because it is far more common then people drinking milk)

[@othertestchannelbeta]

Mellosaxsexy Water is good to drink, as is fruit juice, as is vitamin water and so on. But I'm not saying Milk is evil, I drink it myself. But the point remains true that it's less healthy for us than is advertised. If you want to build a strawman argument out of that fact, don't waste my time. Thank you.

[@tanyalangille1278]

You shouldn't drink your calories. Water is all we need to drink.

[@lukenuetzmann]

I've read that the amount of acid contained in milk is so high that you actually end up losing more calcium than you're taking in as your body's way of balancing the PH. Of course this is all here-say, but I felt it was worth mentioning.

[@vthib]

Milk is a basic, not an acid. That's why if you drink a gallon of it in an hour you will throw up, because your stomach can't handle so much base.

[@ranXoverXyourXcatX]

***** 2% milk is slightly acidic, between 6.8-6.4 on the pH scale. don't believe me? just google it.

[@GregTom2]

James Games Milk is a buffer. It contains both weak acids and weak bases, so that it should pretty much neutralise whatever. This is why milk helps with stomach burn, while still being technically acidic. Moreover, compared to your gastric juices, a pH of 6.8 is very basic.

[@thisone45]

I've seen this as well. Though I believe its was more specific to the protein in milk acidifying the blood and thereby causing the body to release calcium to fix the problem.

[@LulaJake]

Acid-whey is a byproduct from making Greek yogurt (made from milk) that is actually classed as toxic waste. They feed it back to the cows and make whey protein from a small portion of it but most ends up as waste.

[@prole1917]

I'd rather have kids drinking milk than soda or sugar-loaded fruit juice

[@prole1917]

Nicholas Coffin I would strongly dispute that it is almost as bad for you as soda. While obviously not a miracle drink, milk is a cheap source of many important vitamins and nutrients. Soda has next to zero nutritional value

[@LemonDawn1]

I can see how if you only have those 3 choices you might choose milk over the others (although there are fruit juices with less sugar than milk). However, we are not limited to those 3 choices for fluids. The point here is that people are being told they NEED to drink milk, and that isn't true. We should be encouraging people to drink water. As for vitamins and nutrients, there are foods that provide nutrients and vitamins (including alternative milks like almond and soy). Again, the point is that you can drink milk in moderation, but you don't need it and there are better choices out there.

[@fabd-tv]

Strange Charm Milk is one of the easiest ways to supplement reasonably healthy calories throughout the day. I think this video is lacking any conclusive evidence either way. He uses research to support the fact that basically milk has very little harmful effects, and then have no conclusive evidence and statistics but uses scary, and likely exceptional examples of overconsumption to give milk a bad image. Overconsumption of anyting is bad, duh. In a society that's still selling shit prepackaged food, heavily modified foods with additives and whatnot, I find it amazing a health professional would think it valuable to waste time bad mouthing milk of all things. Get your priorities right...

[@1nav]

fuaburisu i think you missed the point of the video entirely. milk is not a valuable source of helpful nutrients like the dairy industry would have you believe. and no where in this video did he support drinking soda either.

[@drewseleski2136]

1nav Milk CAN be a valuable source of a lot of nutrients if you aren't getting them elsewhere. But the same is true of almost everything we eat. The point of this video is that once you have enough of a nutrient like calcium increasing your intake isn't going to provide any benefits. Most if not all the people in these studies will have been getting enough calcium elsewhere in their diet hence no difference when they add more. In the food saturated world we live in now overconsumption is a far more common problem than deficiency. Milk however is probably going to be more filling per calorie than juice or soda, but that will also vary from person to person. Water is the king of beverages though.

[@oafkad]

That intro about us being the only mammals to drink Milk beyond our infancy isn't a really strong point. [I feel] We are also basically the only mammal that doesn't sniff one another's asses to get acquainted. We do dozens, if not hundreds, of things no other mammal does. That doesn't inherently mean its not good. Doesn't mean its good either, just seemed like the weakest point you've made in this series. The rest of the video was rock solid though. Healthcare Triage

[@AndrewJohnstonerulez]

wait a minute...we're NOT supposed to sniff each other's butts? I've been doing it wrong this whole time!

[@healthcaretriage]

But those things aren't deemed "necessary" like milk often is.

[@oafkad]

Healthcare Triage True enough. I suppose in context of the message of the video I get what you are talking about. I just felt that it was a little too close to verbage used by loons to get their points across. BUT again, within the grand scheme of the entire video it was a small nitpick. I didn't know basically any of this and I find it fascinating. Also a bit troubling since Milk appears integral to me trying to gain weight (I can't seem to consume enough solid calories to gain weight, apparently, but I can keep liquids down easily enough). I'll read up more on the iron leeching and intestinal bleeding. My GI Tract is anything but healthy and I'd rather not milk seppuku. As always, love the show, looking forward to future episodes.

[@daddyleon]

Please do one about our need for meat and/or for meat-replacers (if vegetarian/vegan) in our diet. I think you only need to be careful with not getting enough B12, but many people seem to think you have to be really really careful.

[@Luchini16]

B12, EPA/DHA, amount of bioavailable protein grams, and calcium (if vegan). Don't need meat, but from a nutritional standpoint, it helps a lot.

[@MrRizeAG]

I second this, even though I'm not vegan. I'm just curious.

[@DerSergal]

Yeah, a fact and data driven video about veganism would be a great video :) Maybe not so great for the comment section, but still great! :D

[@cassesque]

In Britain certainly, all breakfast cereals, most fruit juices and a whole host of other foods are now fortified with >100% RDA of B12. In developed countries nowdays it's very difficult to avoid B12 even on a strict vegan diet. Apart from that it's perfectly safe to avoid animal products.

[@DrPonner]

***** You are aware that humans are *omnivores*!?

[@miaa7097]

almond milk is my go to for the last 5 years .. i cut all dairy product (there is no need for cheese, yogurt, milk, etc). I also consumed less than 20% (complex) carb.. I eat 0 processed food, and anything i eat is home made food i never felt better, my digestive track is amazing and im in tone with my own body. i sleep better, my weight loss been effective. etc

[@Phie_Mc]

Thank you for doing this topic. Up until now I was the only person I knew of that had a reaction to milk where my GI track would bleed when consuming milk. This doesn't happen with cheese or yogurt, just milk, cream, and ice cream. I stopped drinking milk and eating ice cream when I was 27 (about 6 years ago) when I realized the connection between milk and the bleeding. I'm a little late to the party on watching this show, but I've gone through and watched quite a few episodes this week. I understand Dr. Carol's position on organic vs. non-organic foods and I get that 'organic' doesn't necessarily mean 'healthier' or 'better'. The reason I bring this up is because organic milk (and non-organic milk I've consumed outside of the U.S.) doesn't cause the bleeding. I only drink organic milk on rare occasion, and I'm wondering if my lack of symptoms is because I lowered my intake so dramatically or if it's because there is something about organic milk that is legitimately different than non-organic milk in the U.S. I still get the bleeding if I accidentally consume non-organic milk, and it's usually noticeable within a day of consuming it.

[@mortenlu]

Why include so many bad arguments, such as "no other mammals" and "a lot of people does not tolerate"? These subtract from the otherwise valid arguments. I drink lots of milk because it's fucking delicious.

[@Skip6235]

I don't drink milk because it is healthy, I drink it because I enjoy the taste. I will compare the calories and sugar to the soda pop in my house, though, because now I'm curious. However, I am not going to stop drinking milk. I think it's like anything else, and it is fine as long as you drink it in moderation, even if it doesn't "help" you in any way.

[@ThomasBomb45]

He would agree with you. He did say "I'm not saying milk is evil..."

[@Halosty45]

Question: why aren't there any studies you listed about bone strength not related to hip fractures? It seems rather inconclusive to just have this one kind of thing measured...

[@MagicMarty90]

How would you measure "bone strength"? Just base it off bone density alone, or...?

[@cassesque]

Hip fractures are especially good for this because they have a really good correlation with low bone density. Most other bone injuries have many more important factors that can skew results. Although it's still a bit of a leap, it's the best way of measuring bone density in a large population without actually having a poke around in each person's bones- completely unfeasable.

[@Halosty45]

skarloeyable Okay, thanks.

[@sorbet87]

I'm part of a weight loss programme with access to a qualified dietitian, I asked her and she said it was essential to have 3 portions of calcium per day for bone health (low fat versions are fine) from this list- and I for 1 believe her!: A serving of dairy would be a 30g portion of cheese (a matchbox size), 150g pot of yogurt or 200ml of milk - if you choose a low fat version of any of these, then the fat and calorie level will be less, but importantly the calcium level stays the same (even slightly more!). If you're not a dairy fan, or you choose not to have dairy, then make sure you include other sources of calcium in your diet from calcium enriched soya products, fish containing bones (e.g. tinned salmon), and green leafy veg. Dairy foods are, however the best source of calcium.

[@AvielMenter]

"There really is no reason for us to keep drinking this stuff." Then what do you expect me to put in my cereal, Mr. Triage? Water? I'd sooner use arsenic.

[@InorganicVegan]

Soy milk, hemp milk, rice milk, almond milk, coconut milk...

[@theuglyzone]

I actually like water with my cereal. I haven't tried arsenic though...

[@spastikman]

Diana Peña almond, ftw.

[@AvielMenter]

***** Yeah, I know; doctor recommended a low carb diet and I've eaten essentially no cereal since. I lost a lot of weight.

[@InorganicVegan]

***** What's wrong with carbs? Calories make you fat, not carbs.

[@sageyash]

In these studies did they take into consideration vitamin D intake?, and exercising because supposedly exercising will make your body reinforce your bones, but if you don't have the calcium for it then what will your body use?

[@paradoxica424]

The reinforcement can only come from micro-fractures. If and only if the exercise you carry out gives your bones micro-fractures will your body reinforce them.

[@jluuiggins]

***** Seriously? A cup of Spinach blows a cup of milk out of the water; dominates it in almost every way. Broccoli comes close. Calcium is also added to everything. It isn't usually so high in bread, cereals, or orange juice. Dairy is delicious, I can't imagine a world without cheese, but only an addict says his heroine is good for him.

[@tanyalangille1278]

The only drink we need is water. One shouldn't drink their calories or nutrients.

[@Kram1032]

Huh. How exactly does milk cause you to bleed? And what amount of milk are we talking about?

[@Srewtheshadow]

It was only in children, and I would assume it was a rather excessive amount approaching half a gallon or so a day (people do indeed throw that much milk at their children :/). Balance is essential in a child, much more so than adults. Excessive anything is dealdy to a child, even milk.

[@Kram1032]

Srew the Shadow if milk causes bleeding in children, a corresponding proportion probably also causes bleeding in adults. Though perhaps adults don't tend to drink milk as excessively as some children. Still, it seems rather surprising that a bunch of protein, water, fat and sugar coupled with a couple of micronutrients which, by definition, only are found in little doses in milk (compared to the other four things mentioned above) would cause bleeding. What about the milk does that? Obviously we are talking about absolutely excessive amounts here, yeah.

[@Kram1032]

Srew the Shadow oh, look, a reference in the description. 40 ounces a day and it's the proteins that can just absorb iron. But 40 ounces is just about a liter of milk. That's actually nothing. Though the child in question was 2 years old and should drink no more than 20 ounces a day. articles.kwch.com/2010-08-04/sweet-drinks_24081407

[@mickycarcar]

A little more research shows that some babies and toddlers are sensitive to some of the proteins in milk. Their guts aren't fully developed yet, so they can be more sensitive to certain foods than adults.

[@Srewtheshadow]

Kram1032 Shhhhhh, don't tell them I'm lazy, my reputation as being smart will be ruined

[@Roobitz]

Woo hoo! Cutting through the propaganda and going straight to the science, that's why I love this channel! Very informative video HT, thanks.

[@healthcaretriage]

Thanks!

[@RandomGuy666100]

I had a problem when you said that formula can be a decent alternative for children to breast milk. From what I remember from the studies I've read, substituting breast milk leads to a host of problems later in life, such as weaker immune systems. The antibodies from breastmilk are crucial for a child's healthy development.

[@Sophz235]

Interesting video :) my doctor told me that although dairy consumption is lower in Asia, the rates of osteoporosis are lower there than in the West due to a higher consumption of green vegetables

[@OptimusPhillip]

Forgive my skepticism, but why the fixation on hip fractures?

[@cleodello]

It's also related to age, I think.

[@bookwyrmn]

OptimusPhillip One of the main pushes to drink milk is calcium assisting with eliminating fractures. It is especially the case with older women, hence hip fracture focus.

[@FajorMuckup]

Yeah totally random info those fractures. I want to know if it extends quality adjusted life years. Focus on Calcium assumed effects is missing the much bigger picture.

[@VJK.MD.]

Because of its weight-bearing function

[@Rigvedification]

Because hips don't lie

[@gotja]

What about the protein benefits, specifically for athletes? Been drinking a lot of chocolate milk (so supplement my caloric intake as well as for protein). Am I wasting time?

[@RBuckminsterFuller]

Protein is protein.

[@AgitezMoi]

Milk has protein, however in general you are eating more than enough protein in your diet without needing to supplement with milk. In general many individuals consume more protein than necessary in their diets (American diets).

[@cassesque]

I think it's more that there are better alternatives for both caloric and protein intake that aren't as acidic or detrimental to the body.

[@RBuckminsterFuller]

skarloeyable Milk is alkaline.

[@cassesque]

I'll agree that proteins often end up giving a solution a basic pH but remember the lactate concentration drags it back down. The pH of common or garden cow's milk is usually given as 6.4-6.8. For most purposes that's essentially neutral, but it is *technically* acidic.

[@krackerkid5]

lol, way to knock the food pyramid down a peg. have you down a video about the food pyramid yet? could be a good one to do

[@WrenWarlock]

The food pyramid has been established to be a thing of the past for a while now. I'm pretty sure it's been pointed out that it may have contributed to obesity in some way, because it advocates for so much of carbohydrates and dairy. But I agree, a video about it would be great.

[@ButzPunk]

I'm mildly lactose-intolerant so I don't drink milk except a bit in my cups of tea, but I do eat quite a bit of yoghurt. Does that have the same problems as milk?

[@danielhayes6348]

A good follow up video on non dairy milk please. It would be nice to know if other milks can be better than cows milk as some commercials claim. To be honest I feel sorry for lactose intolerant people.

[@kateparker8546]

Are milk alternatives like soy milk or almond milk good swaps for your cereal and coffee? I'm planning to go no-cow soon (for environmental reasons rather than health reasons) and plan to switch anyways, but it would be an added perk to know that there are health benefits to limiting intake PLUS switching!

[@renee3384]

There are SO many health benefits!! Soy milk and almond milk are actually really good for you and provide calcium and protein as well as other nutrients.

[@emilys7834]

Hey Kate, I've tried both soy milk and almond milk. I loved soy milk for its flavor (and the fact that its protein levels are equivalent to cow pus). A few months ago, I switched off the soy after drinking it for 3 years, however, because my menstrual cycle was not regular (sorry if that's TMI) and I wanted to see if taking away the estrogen in the soy milk would help. I've been drinking almond milk now and have seen some positive results! I know that the research on soy is really mixed, but this is my personal experience with it. Previously I had also used soy protein powder and also had problems with hormone levels. My taste buds must have changed too, because now I like the almond. A lot of people new to alternative milks prefer the taste of almond milk, especially in coffee. I use the almond milk (and used to use the soy) for cereal, coffee, smoothies, you name it! I wish you luck on your no-cow adventures, and I hope this helped!

[@AlanmanAaron]

+Renee Cooke did you watch the video? Higher-than-average calcium intake has nothing to with how healthy you are.

[@renee3384]

Aaron Landers what are you talking about?? when did i say that higher than average calcium intake has anything to do with how healthy you are??

[@AlanmanAaron]

Maybe i misunderstood what you meant to say, but "soy milk and almond milk are actually really good for you and provide calcium..." If i didn't take that the right way, i'm sorry

[@snakeguy76]

Its not the milk; its the yogurt and cheese I love. Oh yes, let it curdle! Yummy yum yum!

[@lukeo.6410]

Beside the extra profit that milk companies and farmers are able to make... wasn't the original increase in milk intake because of the Great Depression? They needed something that wasn't too expensive that would allow for greater calorie intake. That's why after the war, when we had an economic boost, milk intake went down. It was during this decrease intake that farmers and companies lobbied the government. Which started the government campaigns. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I remember reading that somewhere.

[@celinak5062]

Foluke O. +

[@zsoltmarton3625]

Have you ever considered doing a video on protein supplements? I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts on the subject

[@danielamusia]

So what should we eat or drink for calcium intake? What about cheese and other dairy products? I was left with more questions than answers.

[@lirbugler]

"TO THE RESEARCH!" - Got to make that a thing.

[@healthcaretriage]

I wish!

[@SamanthaBallard]

I've never believed that drinking milk would prevent me from breaking a bone, which is primarily what this video focused on. However, I do believe that drinking milk will help prevent osteoporosis, which was not even mentioned in this video. That, and milk (at least in Canada) contains a lot of vitamin D which can be hard to get enough of sometimes.

[@Spy-V]

Vitamins and calcium are added to milk so getting it elsewhere is a better idea, especially because calcium can't even be taken in and milk actually _depletes_ your calcium, /causing/ osteoporosis). Another one of those myths. saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

[@ex-nerd]

As another resident of the upper latitudes where we can't physically get enough vitamin D from the sun for much of the year, I feel I should point out that you can get a lot more vitamin D in pill form (or drops for children) -- it's one of the cheapest vitamins on the market (about $5 for a 3-6 month supply).

[@Crossark1]

You know why we drink milk? We drink milk because we like it, and, according to you, it's a perfectly viable means of getting necessary substances (sugars, fats, calcium, etc.). Just leave people be with their choice of beverage.

[@falconseye97]

People will always have that choice. This video just outlines that it isn't vital as a lot of people would believe.

[@draszi]

Did you not listen to what he said?

[@Ronaldo7Man]

Not really ... ALOT of people drink it just because they think it only does good to the body and not because they like it ...

[@johnholbrook6903]

Thank you! My family has denied my lactose intolerance for years. I am glad that I can show them this when if they think my crippling stomach pains and frequent trips to the restroom I am not alone. Excessive milk consumption is bad for everyone.

[@MrElizajohn]

Did any of the studies take vitamin D into consideration? Vitamin D is directly correlated with our bodies ability to regulate Ca++ levels in our blood and bones. Although I do believe that there were some good points brought up in this video, I've also read studies that saw a correlation between building up adequate Ca++ levels in the body by the age of 30 and osteoporosis in later life. And although this was just a correlation and not necessarily a causation one of the professors at the UofS whom I respect a great deal has expressed to her nutrition class (which I was in) the importance of sufficient daisy product intakes

[@ClintonAllenAnderson]

Drink with hot apple pie? Red wine... cause it goes great with the stanky old cheddar melted on the pie What else do you put on cereal? Honey. (If by cereal you mean oatmeal.) Dunk an Oreo into? Who eats that trash? I haven't had a glass of milk in decades.... and my stomach flips at the idea. Cheese however, you can take from my cold dead hand

[@jupiterrocks24]

My entire family LOVES milk. My parents had me drink soy milk for my first five years of life because they thought it would help my allergies. When they realized it did nothing, they stopped buying it. I hate the stuff. Even unpasteurized, which is way better for you, disgusts me. But cheese, man. I'd die without it.

[@burgundysocks6324]

Yeah that is because cheese has more highly concentrated levels of casomorphins. Cows produce it so that their calf (the animal their milk was meant for) will keep coming back for more and get all the nutrients and hormones it needs. Your literally addicted to morphine that's why you love cheese so much.

[@burgundysocks6324]

btw, the allowed standard is 750,000 puss cells per cc (third of an ounce) of milk

[@ClintonAllenAnderson]

Addicted to cheese? Wow does that ever sound like a load of hogwash.....

[@burgundysocks6324]

Clinton Hammond "Cheese however, you can take from my cold dead hand" If you dont call that addiction, I dont know what is

[@codediporpal]

"milk industrial complex" No exaggeration. When I grew up, we learned the "4 food groups" in elementary school, which was the US government approved dietary guideline. One entire group was dairy. The "educational" materials we learned from in class were provided by the Dairy Council. We've got the same nonsense going on right now in pharmaceuticals for kids. Far worse IMO.

[@RainWhitehart]

My mother forced me to drink my for years, well in to my teens, because 'it's good for you' turns out i am lactose intolerant and she was making me sick for most of my life. thanks mom.

[@danycashking]

now you can send her this video and tell her to suck on an utter :3

[@medman36]

In the Netherlands we have a national guideline on fracture prevention for people over 50 that does show that calcium and vit D supplementation does significatlty reduce fracture risk for especially hip and spinal column. Five or 10 years ago there were some studies that did show that early on calcium supplementation reduced the risk of fracture in later after 40 years, especially if supplementation was ceased. Calcium supplementation is useful for osteoporosis. It doesn't cure but studies show.

[@mcrrocks897]

I love the research-based videos this guy makes, and have watched a load of the newer ones. Unlike the newer ones, this and other older videos of his have him nearly berating the viewer as if he's arguing with them! He's almost like Maddox at the end of this video! Aside from the odd attitude, I really am enjoying this informative channel.

[@mlemleh]

My mum has been telling me this for years. Thanks for confirming :D

[@YohannParis]

Yes, the same, she always told me "Milk is an aliment, not a drink."

[@fionaaleksoska]

Those studies are all on drinking milk or taking calcium supplements as adults which clearly doesn't make a difference to fracture risk. However, iv seen systematic reviews showing kids who drink more milk while they are growing benifit from it. And not just for kids and bone health, iv seen lots of other systematic reviews showing milk consumption reduces risk for diabetities, metabolic syndrome some cancers and childhood obesity. But I agree it's not nessesary to drink milk beyond childhood and the American recommendations is way too high. In he UK it's just one cup a day of milk or yogurt, or a small bit of cheese. Yes it's high in calories and should be limited. Also, we are not the only spiecies which milks other animals. There are spiecies of ant which farm and 'milk' aphids, rubbing their abdomen so they release a sugary liquid which the ants drink. And there are many other spiecies who farm other spiecies, it's not just humans that do it.

[@ruru3489]

The Ethical Omnivore studies paid for by the dairy industry

[@fionaaleksoska]

Oh FFS come on, not everything is a conspiracy!

[@LividImp]

Did anyone really drink milk because they thought it was health food, or because good, homemade chocolate chip cookies virtually require it? And how much milk does a person have to drink to cause _bleeding_? Seems like it would take a freakish amount of any food to cause bleeding.

[@GengoNoTabi]

A large percentage of people still think milk is an essential part of a healthy diet. Just like so many people think fat is bad for you.

[@cajagato]

Could you do a meta-video explaining what the different studies are? What's a double-blind study? What's a meta study? What's the importance of sample size? What questions should we ask when someone talks about study results to understand the information better?

[@benjamincarney9875]

I can tell by the way he delivers his data that he has seen too many youtube comments questioning set-in-stone, peer reviewed facts. I, for one, appreciate what you're doing here. Peer reviewed information is valuable nowadays.

[@srpskihayk]

Talk about soy! (If you haven't already. I am new here.) It seems all over there are stories about soy being the number one killer of consumers. Except they fail to mention (or misrepresent completely) the half of the world who owes their existence and continued existence to soy and soy products. Whats this guy's take? Is soy good, or does it just kill western people?

[@tanyalangille1278]

Fermented soy is the way to go. Tofu and soy milk, etc. is not fermented.

[@virtlink]

Milk may not benefit us like the ads want us to believe. But it certainly doesn't hurt us. Humans are even evolving: percentually these days more and more humans are not lactose intolerant than ever.

[@danycashking]

that's not evolution that's environmental factors and natural selection, it's like two parents with blue eyes getting a child with grey eyes, not evolution just genetics at work

[@spookyshark632]

Daniel Schoop I don't think natural selection applies to humans anymore. We work so hard to save every single life that survival of the fittest doesn't apply as much anymore.

[@StevenKeirstead]

Andy Lee I think that depends on where you live and how good medical care is where you are. In less developed countries than the US, which are more rural and have few doctors, there are still natural selective pressures that may be channelling minor evolutionary changes. In Europe and the US there probably is little natural selection.

[@bbtdgfan890]

There is one health benefit to milk, though. Athletes, and people who like to work out, chocolate milk is an excellent recovery drink for its balance of carbs and protein, and unlike protein powder, it doesn't taste like crap.

[@Shannon-gz9pg]

So is milk a decent supplement for protein when cutting down on meat?

[@bbtdgfan890]

Shannon Carter Mmmm, nuts might better, or if you're cutting down on meat because of the fat content, fish would be even better than the nuts. Quinoa would also be good. Actually, any balance of those would give you a good amount of protein.

[@a1be31s8x9]

I don't understand why everyone labels CHOCOLATE milk as the post-workout drink of choice. Regular milk is just as good of a post-workout, save for the fact that it has a little less sugar, which you might want more of after a workout, but then again, you might not. Protein powder, on the other hand, is going to have hands down WAYYYY more protein, which is needed if you're looking to gain muscle mass. In all, milk is just a really convenient source of your 3 macros - fat, carbs, and protein.

[@nothingxs]

Brian Rana Because the chocolate adds sugar, which ironically right after a work out gets burned pretty damn instantly (especially if you're like me and run a caloric deficit)

[@nothingxs]

Woofie Pup Not in raw chocolate perhaps, but in all the ways you'd use to make 'chocolate milk' such as syrup or powder, there is sugar. I'd think this is pretty self-evident.

[@Vid1917]

2:40 it wasn't the calcium, it's the fact that the acidity of the milk they take regularly causes the body to leech calcium from the bones to alkalize the stomach contents, ehich causes a net loss of calcium, hence greater hip fractures. however eating green leafy vegetables which are alkaline and contain calcium reduce risk.

[@RAFTIS679]

I have heard a lot of people suggest milk may be unhealthy due to impacts of industrial farming practices, such as providing cattle with additional hormones. I even know people who go as far as to drink unpasteurized milk. I was hoping this video would address those topics.

[@zukodude487987]

Fortified soy milk, rice milk, oat milk, hemp milk, buckwheat milk, almond milk, hazelnut milk. Better for you than milk.

[@reececrump8483]

i do love me some soy milk

[@tetsubo57]

I can't consume diary any longer. But I do miss cheese. Cheese is awesome.

[@daddyleon]

There is an entire industry that makes plant based cheese, you will find it in basically anything that you warm-up and has cheese. It's called analogue cheese. I've heard the base product is quite tasteless/distasteful, but some are adapted a bit and could well be tasty. Hope that helps you :3

[@tetsubo57]

daddyleon I've tried quite a few and none has been very good. I have found no true replacement for cheese.

[@CornholioTheGreat69]

tetsubo57 I am very sorry to hear that. Next time I slice up a wedge, I'll dedicate it to you, tetsubo57.

[@daddyleon]

tetsubo57 That's true.. there isn't :-/

[@EmmaHoppe]

Same. I actually like Daiya's new-ish slices of cheese. Once melted, it seemed fairly similar to the original (which, I will say, I haven't eaten in years). But I do miss the yummy pizzas of my childhood. Also, apparently, there are vegan artisanal cheese shops popping up in big cities that are said to produce more flavor and uniqueness using more traditional cheese making processes with nut butters as opposed to hydrogenated fats. Perhaps you could order some online to try if there isn't one nearby.

[@stevenhelock]

I drink milk because I am underweight and it's a great source of protein, fat, and calories. Also it tastes good.

[@julzalta6466]

I'm french and here doctors say that for people that can digest milk (which is a big majority here), it is good for protein intake, for older people that are at risk of sarcopenia especially , cardio-vascular health and prevention of metabolic syndroms and diabetes. But maybe we don't consume as much as Americans because it is the first time I hear about bleeding for overdrinking it ! Most recommendation is one to three servings of dairy a day, and to vary the source if possible, so it's far from being three cup a day of just milk.

[@RedShipsofSpainAgain]

Great vid and I agree: it is always wise to be skeptical of all marketing claims of course. But what about athletes, for whom several studies that suggest that chocolate milk (with its carbohydrate to protein ratio) is similar to the 4:1 ratio shown to be optimal for muscle protein synthesis after a hard exercise workout? And if not chocolate milk, what would you recommend to replace milk to stimulate the same protein synthesis post-exercise? Thanks

[@abby6215]

Sweetened soy milk also has a 4:1 ratio

[@DracoAvian]

Okay, but I feel fine... Question, about how much is 'too much?' The dose makes the poison after all.

[@jeroldtoomey9362]

Yes, that is right. You could find milks upper dose by drinking more each day until you get diahrea. Same with vitamin C. I know of no food that does well under the microscope. So much ado about what not to eat, so just what is food? Poisen, since it was poisened by the dying thing. Even beef has to be killed after the gonads are removed so it will not poisen itself against eaters such as us and everything else. Bison is shot in the wild by marksmen who aim the bullet one or two inches below the ear, otherwise we couldn't eat it. It would poisen itself. And they can not be more than two years old when slaughtered. We don't need milk because our brains don't need the fat? I didn't know milk was a brain food. We use it for building the body, not the mind. According to that logic, we shouldn't eat fat at all. No wonder I am so damned skinny. I'm afraid to eat.

[@Animuldok]

Jerold Toomey I don't understand what you mean when you say that food Is poisoned when the source of the food dies. There is something that is called autolysis that occurs, but that creates no poisons, just liquefied cells. "Even beef has to be killed after the gonads are removed so it will not poisen itself against eaters such as us and everything else. Bison is shot in the wild by marksmen who aim the bullet one or two inches below the ear, otherwise we couldn't eat it. It would poisen itself. And they can not be more than two years old when slaughtered." The above makes no sense to me (and I'm a veterinarian), could you please explain.

[@ameliorated]

What will you have with Oreos and on cereal? Almond milk!

[@spectralv709]

Agh no!

[@ameliorated]

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[@spectralv709]

+tobiosnmakky I'm sorry, when it comes to Oreos, I'd prefer no milk to almond milk.

[@laurahansen8660]

same, way better crunchy... but almond milk is okay to wash them down after

[@ameliorated]

eh, okay

[@shawniscoolerthanyou]

I like that you eventually got to research but please limit your use of fallacies. Example: Only humans drink milk past a certain age. Only humans do a lot of things.

[@monrenardfou]

In general I've found these videos to be excellent, but this one contradicts what every medical professional (doctors, nurses, and physical therapists) has ever told me concerning calcium intake. I was last encouraged to up my calcium intake by an NP at my university as recently as last month. My understanding was that peak bone mass is reached in ones late twenties and that absorbing as much calcium as possible before then was essential to preventing osteoporosis. This is so mind blowing to me that I would like to look further into the research concerning calcium consumption and osteoporosis prevention. Where would be a good place to start?

[@savingferris8248]

After I was diagnosed with bloodlust ulcers in my stomach and lower intestine I tried 4 different medications over the course of a year. After losing 28 lbs I got desperate. My quality of life was terrible. Then I was introduced to someone who went through almost the exact same situation. He recommended for me to start drinking milk again. With in 30 days I stopped throwing up after meals, and no more blood in my poop. It took more than a year to put all the weight back on, but as of now I've never been heavier. Milk has literally saved my life; haters gonna hate.

[@QuillCafe]

I used to drink a ton of milk...but then I moved to the US where milk is disgusting and my intake has drastically decreased.

[@thewerepyreking]

Where is it better? I'd like to try some good milk. I drink whole milk occasionally and I don't like reduced fat milk.

[@QuillCafe]

I'm from NZ, so maybe it's because we grass feed our cows year long that the milk tastes better.

[@MrTherock14e]

Quill Café k

[@zl13hallyuforever9]

I grew up in the US and never liked milk much. But when I moved back to the Philippines, I loved the milk here! Most of it is from New Zealand, so thanks for your awesome cows that produce awesome milk XDD

[@TooShortPlancks]

thewerepyreking Probably most places outside the US. You guys tend to process a lot of your produce in very different ways to the rest of the world. Quill Café American dairy cows are often fed grass year long too, it's more likley due to the US practice to UHT all milk for a longer shelf-life etc (although some recent studies have suggested that there is no additional benefit). The higher heat used tends to affect proteins and sugars within the milk, affecting the taste greatly. It also causes greater problems for those suffering from Crohn's Disease for some reason - intriguingly, all studies I can find relating to restricted dairy consumption and IBD sufferers are non-UK based (and as a sufferer, I have never been warned off dairy products beyond avoiding unpasteurised by my specialists...) That said, NZ does produce some very tasty animals!

[@DuffinCaprousold]

At this point I pretty much just use milk when I cook. Or eating a brownie.

[@sk8rdaniel]

Ugh to the 100's if not 1000's of absolutist comments below. Milk is not EVIL it just ins't THAT healthy either! Wait... isn't that what HCT just said?

[@InorganicVegan]

Well, it's evil to the cows.

[@Andathil117]

Inorganic Vegan That's not true either. Because of us milking them over the years, if you do not milk cows regularly, they often get infections, bloat, and can die.

[@Andathil117]

Do not pretend that I do not know and that you are "opening my eyes." From a physiological standpoint, if we do not milk them, they die. Simple fact.

[@Andathil117]

Except that it is true...

[@christianbulanadi]

Milk has calcium which can strengthen your bones. But taking the ph level of milk can show you that it is acidic, which decays your bone increasing bone fracture and can also cause internal bleeding if consumed enough.

[@xkasperxjensen]

So i drink milk because i use it as a supplement to my diet, because its a good way for me to get the calories in form of milk sugar and protein i need to do my sport. Is he saying that i might aswell drink cola instead for the sugar?

[@DannyLrides]

Calcium is better absorbed from milk than in vegetables.

[@naturenfire]

You're a dumbass . Calcium takes calcium from your bones .

[@ohgodmynutbladder]

Loserkidjax wat lol

[@naturenfire]

ohgodmynutbladder I'm sorry i meant milk !

[@ohgodmynutbladder]

Loserkidjax ahh that makes more sense lol.

[@MSpacer]

+DannyLrides So is sugar.

[@lexiyehyeh3713]

"Milk is not good for you don't drink it!" "Uh what am I going to put in my cereal, Mr stupid ass

[@ThebossaruChamp]

+Alexa Hendren Are you serious?

[@margaretmadole]

Water

[@EvelynDayless]

+Alexa Hendren Don't eat dehydrated shit that needs milk poured over it to be edible.

[@CIays]

+Alexa Hendren Almond, hemp, soy, rice, cashew milk. you have many options, clearly.

[@ThebossaruChamp]

Munashiimaru But cereal and milk are both delicious. Especially milk.

[@UnashamedlyHentai]

My problem is that milk is delicious. Especially when ice cold.

[@veneukko9885]

It doesnt taste like anything.

[@tomgriffiths3239]

@@veneukko9885 What?

[@veneukko9885]

@@tomgriffiths3239 for me milk doesnt taste like anything

[@RoseTorn411]

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[@someguy2135]

There are a lot of plant based milks. Have you tried them all? One of them will suit your taste, and is much healthier.

[@DanThePropMan]

...I feel so disillusioned...

[@VanesssaVoxx]

Hello, did I hear that right? Calcium supplements increase hip fractures? I am using one. Thank you.

[@Merissa5150]

Crazy how many people seem to be completely missing the whole point of this video. It's almost seems like these people didn't even watch the video.

[@sjheiss]

He's freaking out about 240 calories? That's not very much... And cheese is the best thing ever. I don't eat cheese or drink milk to keep my hip joints from breaking; I consume them because they taste good.

[@MrFaitmaker]

240 * 3 times a day is.

[@radicalbacon]

MrFaitmaker I think, perhaps, you misunderstood Aaron. The 240 calories is the three cups; a single cup of nonfat milk is ~80 calories.

[@Spy-V]

And the (casa)morphine (unintentionally) too ;p

[@InorganicVegan]

***** Liquid calories don't fill you up, so it's not great since you don't notice it. Adds up.

[@radicalbacon]

Diana Peña I'll accept that this is true for juice, sodas, or alcoholic beverages, but milk curdles in your stomach. Many people feel fuller because of that.

[@jonmacklin1744]

I stopped drinking milk around four years ago.

[@EdGloss]

How about because milk and milk products taste good? Why is it always about health. I'm not stupid enough to believe that drinking milk is going to keep me healthy but it will make my cereal and coffee taste better.

[@Vulcapyro]

"Why is it always about health"? Uh, what? Do you realize what this channel is about?

[@EdGloss]

Yes. I think he focused way too much on milk as a drink. Perhaps overall Americans drink a lot of milk but I can't remember the last time I ever saw someone drink it as a drink and in my late thirties. My guess would be that the majority of milk is used for reasons other than drinking but I haven't read any stats on this so it's really just anecdotal data (which isn't all that meaningful). In my community, milk wasn't pushed as a drink so no one drinks it.

[@Vulcapyro]

Ed Gloss Well, the problem is specifically that people _are_ pushing it for its supposed health benefits and advising for ridiculous rates of consumption. If this wasn't the case then there wouldn't be a need to point out that these claims are unsubstantiated.

[@dragonking700]

Dude...did you even watch the video? The issue is that people are being misinformed about the health benefits of milk. That's the whole point of the video...

[@EdGloss]

Brandon Spicer Relax everyone. I understood the video. I wasn't attacking the host. I have a ton of respect for him and the series. I was just making a comment.

[@MsKhasee]

I've always hated drinking milk and I have been told many times in my life that I would break bones and wouldn’t grow etc. Thank you for relieving that burden of worry I really thought my milk aversion would lead to me breaking a hip.

[@StrongButAwkward]

I have a question: What is your opinion on studies that find that animal protein (like milk) results in better muscle synthesis than plant protein (such as soy milk). I had been drinking soy for quite awhile due to some of the evidence against drinking milk as an adult. However, while trying to put on muscle, do you think it is worth it to switch your milk to animal protein? I've currently swapped back due to the studies in question (and the price drop hasn't been bad either for an underemployed BS graduate). That said my only milk consumption comes from a little in my morning omelet and my protein shakes. Probably about 600-650ml a day.