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Yeah I've heard some concerning things about their practices, maybe have a look
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I have used it and I liked it, you should not be so smug and disrespectful. I always see such hive mind comments like this, popular videos told people not to like Betterhelp or Established Titles, so that's all I ever see criticized. The issue of not real doctors seems to be based on one guy, I'll give you even if it is a handful, this is a nationwide service, and even in my state there are stories every now and then of somebody operating with a faked license. This isn't unique to betterhelp. And the collecting data thing is silly, all that info is already on google or your social media, people act like it is going through the session with the therapist and now you are getting ads based on what you talked about. I just hate that this is the best thing trying to solve the problem of friction in the therapy experience. I didn't lose hours a week driving around, and the network on there and ease of switching therapist is better than what you would find locally. But things like dumb video game ads that waste your time and collect your data, other useless junk never gets critiqued, mostly because they are not as popular, and this sick human thing to tear down more important things because there is a risk of it causing more harm. But countless people need and use this service. You look it up, there is a reason why major channels are happy to work with them after those few incidents years ago. @@bosco4533
@tftmom16005 ай бұрын
Awful company to endorse, tbh (quite appalling how they handle private customer data, please look into it)
@violenceislife19875 ай бұрын
The academics are always trying to find their ideal world of peace and communism. It has never existed and it never will.
@nogins5 ай бұрын
Dan Davis im curious. When it comes to dna, modern or ancient. Which Haplogroups make up your own genetic lineage?
@kosmas1735 ай бұрын
Nice video! I'm from Crete and live less than a mile away from Knossos. I always thought that the "peaceful Minoans" myth was an exageration because they were being compared to the Myceneans. If anyone of you wants to come visit Crete for its ancient past or its wanderful landscape you are always welcome! 😁
@missourimongoose88585 ай бұрын
Whats ur favorite booze from there? (I was going to say whats ur favorite creteish booze but im sure thats not right lol)
@richardarcher71775 ай бұрын
I tend to believe that the myth persists more as evidence of wishful thinking by those who hold to it despite the fact that, as Dan Davis says, no other society was peaceful in that way and if the Minoans had been that peaceful they would not have dominated trade the way they did, or even lasted.
@richardash7535 ай бұрын
Got to protect what they have made in the Big Blue sea around them👍👍 @@richardarcher7177
@MikeLiteraus5 ай бұрын
@@missourimongoose8858Raki
@squaeman_26445 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure Minoans sacrificed Mycenaeans...
@BlaBla-pf8mf5 ай бұрын
I never believed that minoans were bronze age peaceniks but I always appreciated their fashion sense.
@sarahwatts71525 ай бұрын
Warm legs, cold chests?
@daklr25015 ай бұрын
BOOBS!
@user-McGiver5 ай бұрын
titties and beer... yeah!
@arthas6405 ай бұрын
All the greatest civilizations have appreciated a good titty
@righteousviking5 ай бұрын
#freethenipple !
@robincowley58235 ай бұрын
The samurai used to compose poems about the falling of a snow flake or a cherry blossom petal... Didn't make them peaceful... :)
@MrPh305 ай бұрын
Part of bushido is to live each day at the fullest and appreciate the smaller things in life as one dont know what the next days will bring,and in the biggest struggles,one finds peace also.
@doomoo53655 ай бұрын
The Minoans could have been traders that supplied weapons two surrounding customers
@willbass28695 ай бұрын
@@doomoo5365most people who trade in things of that sort often use them.....we call them arms merchants & gun runners
@sebastianprimomija83755 ай бұрын
@@MrPh30bushido didn't exist in the Sengoku Jidai when most of those poems were written Bushido are modern ideals anachronistically applied to the Samurai of previous periods.
@jarlnils4355 ай бұрын
The decoration on samurai armor is unpractical, therefore, they did not use armor in warfare. It is just ritual! And because it is dumb to go to war without armor, they did not go to war. The swords, spears, axes, clubs, naginatas, bows and guns, even bombs were all ritual!
@huwhitecavebeast19725 ай бұрын
People who fall asleep to your videos probably do so because your narration is very consistent in tone and cadence. You sound relaxed, so when repeated consistently it relaxes others.
@JohnCulbard5 ай бұрын
I am torn between the time you spend educating us on civilizations of the past and wanting you to continue writing further novels in your Gods of Bronze and Vampire immortal Knight series. Your talent is being spread so far. I love it.
@cadian101st5 ай бұрын
There is no distinction between these actually
@Casmaniac5 ай бұрын
It seems so super obvious to me that the reason the Minoans were able to have such a rich and luxurious culture was a result of them having military dominance over their immediate surroundings, perhaps even the wider region
@tassiek24505 ай бұрын
Indeed.i was born in southern Peloponeese and the amount of Minoan goods exhibited in the local museum's is staggering.found in Peloponeese,even in remote and mountain's regions.so trade and war came hand in hand
@BawonSamdi15 ай бұрын
wouldn't say miilitary dominance but they were great seafarers which means traders / pirate raiders. and they had several copper mines which was one of the most valuable resources back then and they had incredible conditions for agriculture in Crete as well and deep forests. and their freaking island is like one of the premium locations of the mediterranean because basically everything is protected by the coast, so it was extremely difficult to get ON the island in one piece especially since navigating those early ships was really hard and not precise. I guess the Myceneans officially came in peace but then started a brutal ambush like they did in Troy regarding the myth.
@tassiek24505 ай бұрын
@@BawonSamdi1 according to modern historians it happened after the volcanic explosion of Thera,modern Santorini.althowh the Minoans rebuiilded their state again the new seafarers from Pelloponeese and the rest of northern Greece of that time set foot little by little in the island.according to Illiad by the time of the Trojan war ,almost all of the Greek tribes concixested peacefully in Crete.the great majority were the Minoans Greeks, but all the others were there ,possibly as traders,mercenaries sailors ,laborers etc
@Casmaniac5 ай бұрын
@@BawonSamdi1 you seem quite confident for such a huge amount of speculation. Question: how can there be "deep forests" on a relatively small island like Crete? lol
@BawonSamdi15 ай бұрын
@@Casmaniac it is true, seriously :D there are archeological records which are abit more valid than someone writing down fairytales and myths, there are also 3 mountains which are higher than 2000m which is also special for such a relatively small island. but in comparison to most mediterranean islands, Crete is a HUGE island.
@levongevorgyan67895 ай бұрын
Archeologists and Historians really liked interpreting ancient cultures as peaceful utopias, didn't they? The Mayans, the Cucuteni, the Minoans. You'd think they'd assume that the violence we see and read about throughout all of human history would just be a universal constant.
@HANKTHEDANKEST5 ай бұрын
It's true, moderners LOVE looking for some clear-cut example of the "perfect" civ as some model to aspire to, and "if only we could get back to that, our problems would be solved!" which is just completely silly, magical thinking. Imagine if people in the 55th century looked at the bits and pieces leftover from our civilization and concluded that our society was "clearly peaceful" based on a handful of artifacts and excerpts. Make it harder: nothing we wrote down survives, or if it does it's totally without context and meaning. We're likely never going to understand the Kefti in their own language, so to assume that we "knew" them is pretty wild indeed.
@pinchevulpes5 ай бұрын
19th century archeological ideas that have since been disproven long before you were even born. I think you’re being dramatic or out of touch with the new research.
@levongevorgyan67895 ай бұрын
@@pinchevulpes Hence the use of the PAST TENSE of like. As in, they did it in the past.
@heneagedundas5 ай бұрын
@pinchevulpes Yet he goes into detail of more recent research and presents plenty of evidence the Minoans weren't as peaceful as previously claimed.
@Game_Hero5 ай бұрын
What tells you this from the isolated Cucutenis?
@eh17025 ай бұрын
If you think about it, the British Empire was ferociously militaristic - and so commercial that Napoleon called the Brits “a nation of shopkeepers” - yet the subject of much of Georgian, Victorian and Edwarian art was women. Domestic decoration in many parts of the world has traditionally been done by women: it often has a protective or invocational aspect to it. Maybe these idyllic, paradisiacal scenes were to help “make it so” in real life. I wonder if women were painting their idealised version of life around them (and proud portraits of their growing boys). Also - if a fair proportion of the men were sailors, they would be away for months at a time trading / pirating. Travel around the Med was very seasonal with direction according to current and the prevailing winds at different times of year. Women in fishing and seafaring communities do tend to organise/manage village and estate life themselves - the farming year, goods manufacture and often the retail &/or warehousing end of commerce. Places with a lot of the mature males absent are bound to be seen as an opportunity for the sailor-pirates from other places. Another reason for training boys up early.
@arthas6405 ай бұрын
Theres also been a noted drop in sales for violent movies and violent video games in areas with extreme violence like war zones (between states or gangs). I had a friend who lived in a middle class part of Texas but had family in Mexico and despite being very similar culturally he said the Mexican kids tended to play a lot more FIFA whereas the Mexican American kids tended to play more Call of Duty and Halo. The thinking of the study on violent media is that violence is disruptive and we grow sick of it, so we tend to start consuming more idealistic media. Even in WW2 when war films were being produced by the boatload even as the war raged were often either focused on victory and the ensuing peace or they were consumed more by those far from the front line but still invested in the war (like many families back in the US or UK) and even then alot of the war films of the time weren't true art but government propaganda. Also that bit about a nation of shop keepers really shows how important economies are to war. The US was less warlike then much of Europe and Asia during both world wars but out competed Japan and Germany by out producing them and the British were similar against napoleon. Ancient Greece was tiny by population and size but even divided they were able to go toe to toe with Persia, the largest empire on earth, and against the Egyptians because they were THE premier maritime force both in naval warfare and in shipping/trading. Wealth doesn't just mean money itself but also more/better education, engineering, and production.
@scottschultz65735 ай бұрын
@@arthas640Amazing comment! Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@kariannecrysler6405 ай бұрын
It could be fair to say the culture didn’t seek conflict, but weren’t going to be overcome by it either. I love the idea of a “navy” guarding the coast leaving the inland areas for societal and commerce centers. If I was in charge of Crete in the Bronze Age, I would have set it up that way. The island as a port was necessary for all the surrounding cultures. Focusing on a defensive military would be best. No need to steel land for resources, because the trade had to stop there with their cargos anyway, making an offensive military an unnecessary risk.
@OneFlyingTonk5 ай бұрын
Not only does this man take notice of his subscribers despite his channel's size, he picks up on a pattern and helps to guide us on what we may need, kudos to you man! On a note with the topic at hand, given how good humans are good at slapping eachother with various objects when disagreements arise, I have always been skeptical of such a successful civilization being "peaceful"...plus the Myceneans probably didn't just show up on Crete and conquer it "just because", they probably accumulated reasons from the Minoans yeeting sling rocks at them.
@starrmont49815 ай бұрын
"Malice in Wonderland" is an amazing name for that paper. Great video as always!
@DanDavisHistory5 ай бұрын
Yeah his papers are always creative as well as informative and on exciting, interesting subjects. He publishes a lot too. He seems to love his job.
@Norralin5 ай бұрын
I was just about to write the same myself. Highly chuckle-worthy. Which is the greatest accolade in academia.
@nnnn38085 ай бұрын
"Exquisite" is the word indeed. Enchanting also. If I could go back in time, that's where I'd be headed
@loopernoodling5 ай бұрын
Oh gawd - next thing, someone is going to translate the Harappan texts and discover those inscriptions were all blood-curdling threats and curses! Great video!
@Replicaate5 ай бұрын
That or "Cow for sale, 3 bronze bars or best offer"
@alexanderren10975 ай бұрын
@@Replicaateor “You sold me poor quality copper ingots!”
@RocketHarry8652 ай бұрын
@@alexanderren1097 Followed by blood curdling threats and curses for those shoddy ingots
@ravensthatflywiththenightm73194 ай бұрын
I remember trying to write a novel from the perspective of the Minoans back in 2004 - 2006. The way I tried to approach it was that the Minoan Peace was Imperial propaganda, spread by vassal kings that stood to benefit from Minoan riches. But the actual Minoan Empire was more like Britain during the 1700s, with a powerful Navy that constantly and violently interfered with neighboring Empires, going as far as hiring Achaean "privateers" to harass the Egyptians. Perhaps I will revisit that concept.
@stischer475 ай бұрын
To say that the Minoans didn't conduct war because there were no scenes of war in their castles is like saying the US does not because there are no scenes of war in many of the homes of rich Americans.
@elizabethford72635 ай бұрын
I was trying to think of a modern analogy.... well done!
@stevenobrien5575 ай бұрын
But there are.
@rtwfreak20125 ай бұрын
@@stevenobrien557yeah, and like, Tons of Gun-Saves
@underarmbowlingincidentof19815 ай бұрын
@@rtwfreak2012 Gun-Saves, toys, paintings, media a lot of things in the US depict war lol
@theeddorian5 ай бұрын
I was going to make a similar comment. Thanks for doing it.
@mudgetheexpendable5 ай бұрын
I don't fall asleep to your videos, but I do admit to enjoying listening to you. I really enjoy your well-founded, deeply researched videos. Listening to a guy who actually knows what he's talking about is very pleasant. It's the same feeling I get when I read your books.
@fazdoll5 ай бұрын
I fall asleep to his videos, but then I have to go back and watch again to pick up what I missed.
@vlarep25 ай бұрын
This is the best channel in all of KZbin.
@bethwilliams49034 ай бұрын
I studied the Minoans in grad school with an expert in Bronze Age archaeology in the 90’s and all I can (still) say is until ‘we’ manage to decipher their language Linear A virtually nothing accurate or definitive can be understood about this intriguing culture - which, I can say, was asymmetrical - literally. Housing structures, painting programmes, stylistic motifs, etc, a completely asymmetrical aesthetic. That is unique. Why, I have no idea, hopefully Linear A, once we can read it, will explain a lot!
@randomcontent22055 ай бұрын
I see a Dan Davis video drop, I watch. Don't always comment :) But I need to remember to say thanks - so thanks man, great work as always.
@PalHBakka5 ай бұрын
Arthur Evans was an Edwardian. The Edwardians believed in Herbert Spencer, who differentiated between "militaristic" and "commercial" civilizations, with Britain as the epitome of a commercial society in contradistnction to the warlike and militaristic society of Germany. He basically projected his own world-vview on the past he dug - and falsified his finds in his publications.
@Drew_McTygue5 ай бұрын
Sadly, this attitude of projecting ones world view onto past societies persists to this day
@jordanandrew27865 ай бұрын
It's also quite comical to label all of Germany as militaristic, when the various kingdoms and principalities within it were quite different. Aside from Hesse, Schwabia, and Preussen, most German countries/regions were known for craftsmanship and agriculture, rather than war.
@jayleejames8645 ай бұрын
The idea that anyone can see Britain as not militaristic is WILD
@iancavon71254 ай бұрын
I never knew Britain got that vast colonial empire just by means of trade and diplomacy.
@chriswren18252 ай бұрын
And Britain was a peaceful empire that grew just through trade… 🙄
@maverick40375 ай бұрын
I'm one of those that fine your videos not only informative but relaxing as well. I have used your videos for something pleasant to listen to as I drift off at night.
@jeffgoode98655 ай бұрын
Thank you for not only leaving a link to the sources for your video, but especially SAYING your primary sources IN the video. Many people (myself included😅) often don't go through the trouble of actually checking the listed sources, and a lot of youtubers get away with having bad sources. No one calls them out because people hear "sources are listed" and assume that proves legitimacy by itself. So, thank you for the transparency.
@Sirharryflash825 ай бұрын
No walls or fortifications only means that they felt secure and didn't feel threatened by any outside forces. Doesn't mean they were peaceful. The mythology behind the Minotaur paints them more as bullies.
@DanDavisHistory5 ай бұрын
Some believe Minos, if he existed, was a ruler of post Mycenaean conquest Knossos, and so was a "Mycenaean" himself.
@Sirharryflash825 ай бұрын
@@DanDavisHistory You know, it's hard to say for sure one way or another. Agamemnon of Mycenae from the Trojan war fame hasn't been found historically. I do however think that the minoans were painted as bullies for a reason. They may not have conquered or raided, but perhaps exacted tribute or a tax of some kind from their mainland Greek neighbors.
@robertbodell555 ай бұрын
True Sparta famously bragged that their city needed no fortifications because their army was the wall, also the mountainous topography of Lakodamia but that another story
@37Dionysos4 ай бұрын
The "Minotaur" was an Athenian political cartoon about Crete created 1,000 years after them to "justify" the mainland conquest. It has no more historical factuality than a Minoan "king Minos," which no respectable archaeologist has ever (ever) shown.
@37Dionysos4 ай бұрын
@@DanDavisHistory And some believe in flying horses.
@mmurray8215 ай бұрын
You always do such great documentaries.
@raykaelin4 ай бұрын
Excellent video!!! I only have one criticism, it wasn't long enough (lol). Seriously, it was really done so well. Thanks for making it.
@Akutabai54 ай бұрын
I took a couple of ancient history classes in college. My professors never implied that the Minoans were peaceful. If anything they more impressed that they didn't fight each other and instead went out of Crete to mess with the ancient Mycenaean. The Minoans were one of the earliest people to develop the sail, which really helped them dominate their little corner of the Mediterranean.
@antonpressing5 ай бұрын
Dear Mr. Dan Davis -- you are simply the BEST, and I never fall asleep enjoying your execellent WORK !!!
@QueenChristine8265 ай бұрын
Bro! I love your work. You are also a great writer. Much love from across the pond!
@shadowcrusader22835 ай бұрын
Your videos helped me get through recovering from surgery where I was laid up for months, Now I am going to buy your books, Thanks for doing what you do.
@user-gd3xy2vl1s5 ай бұрын
Excellent work, well argued. As you point out archaelogists tend to interpret sites from their own times/expereince. This does not make older interpretations "wrong" just different. After all in times to come there will be other interpretations.
@krl97aАй бұрын
Haven't read the study, but "Malice in Wonderland" is a great title.
@liquidoxygen8192 ай бұрын
Glad to see this one finally made it over the six-figure-viewcount hump! It certainly deserved it: a wonderful video, as always. Very detailed and very engaging. And hey, looks like I was lucky enough to get the five-hundredth comment, too!
@SleepingGiant775 ай бұрын
It's amazing how many myths about the Minoans exist just because Arthur Evans said it was so. There's so much evidence that has been seen since then that not only did these people make weapons, they used them. Hard to have a Thalassocracy without warriors. Once again, archeology matches what we are told by the ancients.
@michaelbehrens16605 ай бұрын
Brother you & Asha Logos are my GO TO videos for centering me and reminding me that I am a part of an unbroken line extending from the AllFather to the infinite future of my sons and their sons…your audience LOVES you!!
@user-rg7uz8of9r5 ай бұрын
😳
@keepinon9304 ай бұрын
Love your work! Looking forward to Gods of Bronze Book 3!
@Stormcloakvictory2 ай бұрын
To build such a civilization you need order, for order you need control, for control you need force. That's just within, let alone other societies wanting a piece of the pie.
@craiglongan3 ай бұрын
Very well done! Human beings have always been an aggressive, violent species. We kid ourselves if we think that somehow that that was not true somewhere in the past. Archaeologists also at one time believed that the ancient Mayans were a peaceful people; nothing could be further from the truth.
@Shoey771005 ай бұрын
this is what I needed today, thank you
@michaelpotts40015 ай бұрын
Another precious piece of history, and yes you are calming and insightful
@mohammedsaysrashid35875 ай бұрын
Thank you 🙏 ( Dan Davis history) channel for sharing this informative and wonderful historical coverage video about ancient Crete peoples known as ( Minoans ) during bronze age in Mesolethic periods..
@candylandi53515 ай бұрын
*General spoiler: no ancient people was peaceful.* Good video as usual, when I see a new video from Dan Davis or from Survive the Jive it's always a good day.
@M.M.83-U5 ай бұрын
Great video, I can absolutely see someone going to sleep with your voice, it's very calming, no mater how gruesom the topics are.
@franc-kristijangogic88855 ай бұрын
Afaik the story of Theseus states, that Greek cities had to pay tribute to the Minoans. You don't pay tribute to a peaceful neighbour.
@kaneddavis5 ай бұрын
Boy you hit a sweet spot for me with this video. I am especially interested in neolithic Crete. I visited Crete and Knossos in the 1980s and have spent decades watching Archeological Journals and digs for current discovery. Prehistoric fauna especially fascinate me.
@thefisherking785 ай бұрын
Your work continues to be amazing! I'm starting Vampire Khan soon BTW 😁
@sterkar994 ай бұрын
An argument in favor of the Minoans being less militarized than what we’ve been used to in the ancient world is that the Minoans, as mentioned in the video, are a result of that first big Middle Eastern / Anatolian farmer migration into europe. We know that those people’s culture was less warlike than the later Yamnaya steppe herder culture. Another contrast between them is that the indoeuropean people’s culture and religion was surrounded by a sense of a warlord / patriarch /King being the epicenter of all people’s groups, larger or smaller. Same way as they depicted their gods too. On the other hand, those earlier middle eastern derived farmer populations did tend to revolve their cultures and beliefs around a “mother earth” goddess. Same way you’ve depicted those early people groups on your book Im currently reading, Godborn (yes, I’ve been doing my homework). So yes, the Minoans were possibly less focused on war than their successing Mycenaeans who were the first indoeuropean group in the southern Balkans. But also yes, they did have to worry about war just like everybody else. It has always been a part of human existence. Last thing I want to point out is the intriguing similarity between the Minoan’s love of the bull and how they really took pride in antagonizing them but also relating with them, with the modern Basques, who, being considered the last european people that originate from that extremely old first population of farmers in Europe (at least linguistically) they also seem to have the strongest connection to bulls than all the rest, even outshining the rest of Spain in that aspect.
@KatherineHugs5 ай бұрын
I look forward to your videos, Dan, thanks so much for all of your hard work!
@RollingThunderModels5 ай бұрын
Thank you Dan for another interesting video!
@victoriahhigman96113 ай бұрын
Your voice is soothing!
@sarantissporidis3915 ай бұрын
Considering the war like nature of present day Cretans it's hard to imagine that their ancestors were any different. In any case, rough land makes rough people.
@volfi1234 ай бұрын
Well the greek tribe that inhabited Crete were Dorians. Same thing in Sicily and the islands south of Peloponnese. To the present day all these regions share a very similar culture. In ancient and Roman times Crete was renowned for its excellent archers that worked as mercenaries. Those were not Minoan descendants though, they were Dorian greeks
@wintersking42905 ай бұрын
The Romans didn't show war in their paintings very often, but they were an extremely warlike people. Martial art isn't correlated in any way to martial societies.
@Casmaniac5 ай бұрын
Google "Trajans column" please, thank you
@barkershill5 ай бұрын
Having visited Pompei , I must agree with you
@Casmaniac5 ай бұрын
You seem to ignore the many many examples of frescos that show gladiators and other violent scenes, not to mention giant monuments like Trajans column
@wintersking42905 ай бұрын
@@Casmaniac most of the surviving Minoan art is inside buildings that were housing. Military art in Rome is mostly on public monuments and Temples. So I was comparing Roman home art to Minoan home art. While trajans column is impressive, The overwhelming majority of Roman art falls in the styles called Roman 1, 2, 3, and 4. Which depict, marble like faux stone, gardens and fake windows, cityscapes and scenes of daily life, and scenes of nature and animals respectively. None of which focus on military things.
@Casmaniac5 ай бұрын
@@wintersking4290 Isn't that super famous fresco of Alexander in the battle of Issus an example of "home art"? The whole point here is not to draw broad conclusions based on partial evidence. Your OP was a very general statement, now you are walking it back by expanding on it. I think they call that a "motte and bailey" tactic.
@7_Svarog_75 ай бұрын
Been to waiting for a new vid and this just popped on my fyp
@Grimthot5 ай бұрын
A new video of Dan Davis is always a good news 😊
@victoriahhigman96113 ай бұрын
Thanks
@gar64465 ай бұрын
Well done. I really like your work and appreciate the depth of your knowledge on these periods.
@kalliaslands99385 ай бұрын
I have been studying the Minoans along with the Medieval Japanese so I see a major parallel. Massive Japanese cities like Kyoto and Nara were not walled well into the Kamakura or high medieval period. I would see the Minoans as being about as violent as Japan was during the Nara and Heian periods. Occasional large rebellions as wars on the island but very peaceful for the time. Given the huge courts I would imagine most incidents of violence would be palace disputes between elites. I have no doubt though that Minoan sailors were involved in a lot of violence abroad.
@EdrickBluebeard5 ай бұрын
Always appreciate your videos and research. Thank you, again.
@Shintenpu5 ай бұрын
I recognize an image from the Osprey Publishing book 'Early Aegean Warrior'. I recommend it to anyone that likes this video.
@gooberextraordinaire4 ай бұрын
not gonna lie, ive been putting off going back to school due to indecision for a while now, but because of watching videos like these - and specifically yours, like the one on Ötzi - ive finally found something that makes me want to go to college. thank you for being the catalyst that showed me i want to pursue anthropology!
@DanDavisHistory4 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for watching and I'm glad to hear I've helped your interest in these subjects. I wish you all the best with your studies.
@thecookiechannel70835 ай бұрын
Very much enjoyed this well done presentation. Thank you.
@joeshmoe83455 ай бұрын
Love it, thanks for sharing this with us Big Dog!
@chpet16555 ай бұрын
Frankly whenever I hear of this or that society as being peaceful I usually chuckle and shake my head at the naïveté. The Mediterranean was a violent place and still is today
@bc71385 ай бұрын
The perception of the Minoans in the early to mid 20th century reminds me of how people viewed the Mayans in the same way during the same period. They were considered a group of peace loving astronomers. Then the decipherment of the Maya Code showed that this view was totally wrong and that warfare between Mayan city-states was endemic. If the Minoans had left us a huge cache of texts in Linear A (similar to the ones discovered in Hattusa in Hittite) that could be deciphered and understood today then we would probably have numerous accounts of war. I really enjoyed the video. I hope to see the Minoans covered again.
@christianbolze70925 ай бұрын
I remember a lecture from Prof. Diamantis Panagiotopoulos who proposed that the minoan culture was far from being peaceful. Their "legendary" fleet was their "wall" and the fact they may have lost part of their fleet due to disasters may account for their extreme vulnerability to outside threats thereafter. The problem also was that most of the natural forests of crete got destroyed in antiquity by the extensive wood chopping for fleet constructions and for agriculture. Especially in the roman empire this deforestation was so extensive that most of the once wide spread Mediterranean forests disappeared forever and with them a lot of animals (like lions for example who are deeply integrated in greek and pre-greek mythology).
@nikbear5 ай бұрын
Another fantastic presentation Dan, a true feast for the imagination and soul ❤👏👏👏 🗡
@roykay47095 ай бұрын
Wonderful presentation and review of the information available.
@gaufrid19565 ай бұрын
Yes, Dan, warfare is ubiquitous. Whether it's between competing clans or tribes (as would have been the case for my Irish ancestors), or between city states or nations, lack of depiction in art doesn't mean war didn't happen. It's certainly also true that many weapons served multiple purposes. Here in the Philippines the traditional "bolo", a machete like blade with a wooden handle, was used mainly for clearing and farming purposes, but also doubled as an effective weapon. A lot of warfare is not depicted in art. Certainly, because the Minoans were a "thallasocracy", they could not have become so without military power.
@FelixstoweFoamForge5 ай бұрын
I'm going to be totally inappropriate and just mention that those depictions of Minoan women really are so very very gorgeous.
@cal21275 ай бұрын
thats why people drew them tho, its only in modern society that appreciating beautiful women is seen as a sin.
@isabelled48715 ай бұрын
So nice to see an "inappropriate" man nowadays 😉 Well the lads ain't bad either from an inappropriate woman's point of view 😁
@isabelled48715 ай бұрын
I grew up in a World in which your sentence up to "those" would have been impossible, unimaginable and surrealistic coming from a man and oh how I miss that Time...
@pendragon62075 ай бұрын
Absolutely stellar shit, as usual! You're really smashing it out of the park lately, loving it. My only complaint is I'd like MORE! :D But I understand the amount of research that goes into every episode, so I can hardly complain.
@cookiejar015 ай бұрын
Yet another great video. Thank you 😊
@chriswren18252 ай бұрын
Warfare is what enabled the leisure the minoans seemingly enjoyed. That’s how it works across all civilizations.
@danvasii98845 ай бұрын
Great video! Many interesting and new things - thanks!
@hoperules88745 ай бұрын
❤Love the commercial!
@martinalarcon31085 ай бұрын
As a Minoan man I love ❤️ taking strolls around town always good twin peaks to look at 😮, women fashion 😮
@kaitnip5 ай бұрын
The idea that the Minoans were master sword smiths without having a standing army that would need and drive the continuous innovation of the art is... baffling. To say the least.
@AnthonyGarcia-se2yd5 ай бұрын
My man! Just crushing it! Dope.
@omardarwish9585 ай бұрын
2:17 we aren’t depressed ; you’re voice reminds me of my father that’s why i fall asleep
@Book-bz8ns5 ай бұрын
King Minos didnt find prisoners for the labyrinth peacefully, lol. Dan, you said something at the end there that made me think of something. Reading the sources instead of you... Well, there is something to that, but dont sell yourself short either. I'm certain the value of a good, controlled imagination has just as much validity as the hard science, and those scientists MUST use that imagination to fill in the blanks. You do a spectacular job of bringing both of these aspects to your videos, and still has an entertainment value to boot. What you bring to the table is every bit as valid as alphabeted parchment types. When you do go out on a limb, you don't go too far, its all still quite plausible. Thanks Dan!
@DanDavisHistory5 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@custardthepipecat65845 ай бұрын
Thanks! The Most awesome content on KZbin
@DanDavisHistory5 ай бұрын
Thank you very much, I appreciate it.
@andersschmich86005 ай бұрын
They clearly had some form of power projection across the Aegean, so it’s doubtful they were peaceful. I find it’s a similar pattern, ancient ‘lost’ civilization like the Minoans, Maya, Harappa, generate interest, people conclude they were peaceful based on lack of evidence, which is latter proven wrong.
@yojoe53115 ай бұрын
DNA of Minoan finds? I'd be interested.
@OrphicPolytheist5 ай бұрын
Minoans had a mixture of G2, J2, and R1b haplogroups.
@yojoe53115 ай бұрын
@@OrphicPolytheist Evidence? Not saying your wrong, I just like evidence.
@MrAllanstuart5 ай бұрын
Outstanding! Many thanks
@JamesSmith-wn6ws5 ай бұрын
I use your videos to get to sleep. but not because thay are boring. On the contrary I find tham very interesting and well presented, I like them so much I brought your books.(thunder series) It'd because you have a smoothing voice and a good cadence. Helps me sleep.
@ario22645 ай бұрын
Great video footage of the sites, including Mycenae.
@WallaceAhtone-sq6ty4 ай бұрын
I think the Minoans were not immune to violence, but they were not as prolifically violent as there neighbors. Most men want to be able to defend themselves and their society, it doesn't mean the culture was inherently violent as others. Violence is part of life and always has been. So ofcoarse they had some degree of preperation for it. Hunting was simply necessary and I'm sure minoan elites engaged in it for entertainment and sport.
@potatoespotatoes2965 ай бұрын
thank you for another fantastic video 😊😊
@dukeon5 ай бұрын
Great video as usual Dan. I suspect the Minoans engaged in warfare as needed, though perhaps a powerful navy gave them an excellent first layer of defence. Maybe land warfare became just stagnant and ritualistic enough that when the Mycenaeans (or Sea People) came knocking, they weren’t up to the task of defending their island. Who knows.
@luismuniznon-conformistath66235 ай бұрын
Great job Dan. 🎉
@TheLotan5 ай бұрын
Always quality. Can you do some on the Harappan civilization and other Indus River groups?
@DanDavisHistory5 ай бұрын
Thank you. Yes I plan to, have been reading about it.
@alexanderhanooman5 ай бұрын
Thanks again Dan.
@Pete_Mitchell_5 ай бұрын
Hey just a thought, it would be nice if you could convert you videos into podcast also
@saumiktajwar71394 ай бұрын
Love your videos, really fascinating stuff that scratches my bronze age history itch. What is the background music from 18:53 to 21:10?
@tbear88395 ай бұрын
Thoroughly enjoyable ❤
@user-vg7mu6yn5o5 ай бұрын
Great video! - thank you.
@hyperion31455 ай бұрын
There used to be a phase where popular thinkers (not necessarily historians) would assume, that because a society was focused on commercial enterprise, they couldn't also have a military tradition. It's especially prominent when talking about societies like Carthage because they ignore the contemporary sources saying that trade actually led to a rather deep military tradition due to how risky it is. Carthage also has the issue of being compared to Rome like how the Minoans are compared to the Myceneans and therefore "have" to be opposites.
@1956priscilla2 ай бұрын
The issue is interesting. What does the iconography of a civilization tell us about their values? The choice of subjects to be portrayed is probably relevant about the underlying idelogy.
@BenSHammonds5 ай бұрын
very good and enjoyable program concerning peoples of much interest to me, the Neolithic Farmer folk is my top interest and any/all cultures that stemmed from their migrations, as well as any remnant cultures from their day that comes down to us now as legend etc.
@MikkoAPenttila5 ай бұрын
I think it could also be possible that the Minoans became less warlike over time due to their material success and more reliant on foreign, mainly Mycenaean, mercenaries , which in turn made the later takeover by the latter easier. After all that' what happened with Rome and the Germanic peoples and the Arab Caliphates and their Turkic mercenaries. Yet no one would claim based on that, that Rome and the Caliphates weren't warlike.