The Mk I Lee-Metford: A Comparison with the Mk I Lee-Enfield

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@ethanharding3141
@ethanharding3141 7 жыл бұрын
I'm really glad you mentioned the difference between official adoption date of rifles and the delay for it to be issued to all units; a very important distinction
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@versal339
@versal339 7 жыл бұрын
What a fine day. A cup of Earl Grey and an advanced education on late Victorian rifles. Thank you again sir.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
You are most welcome Hugh!
@bigmike9128
@bigmike9128 7 жыл бұрын
Alright Picard.
@danpos1971
@danpos1971 5 жыл бұрын
The time period uniforms add a lot to the videos. Very nicely done. And very cool!
@ottoman_reenactor_ct
@ottoman_reenactor_ct 7 жыл бұрын
favorite historical shooting channel
@lazaglider
@lazaglider 7 жыл бұрын
cemo1999 My favourite channel all round...and I don’t have any particular long interest in the subject. It’s just that good.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the very kind compliment... :-)...
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
And yours too!
@mancik17
@mancik17 7 жыл бұрын
Just found this channel. I just want to say that it's great to see someone with such a deep knowledge of these guns. You should be very proud of your work.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@REALjohnmosesbrowning
@REALjohnmosesbrowning 5 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the level of detail in the shooting process and ESPECIALLY the time taken to inform the viewer of how the military drills taught to do it. That's something most don't cover and I think it's essential.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 5 жыл бұрын
If you are interested, there is another video dedicated to the Firing Exercise of the era, here on the Channel.
@grozaAC
@grozaAC 7 жыл бұрын
This is the best channel on KZbin.
@Frob25
@Frob25 7 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed watching Branko firing in his Mounted Rifles uniform. My great great grandfather served with the 2nd Canadian Mounted Rifles in the second Boer War. He was killed in action at the battle of Hart River in 1902.
@brankod495
@brankod495 7 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. One of the sources for putting together the impression was a photograph of trooper Jack Baird an Albertan who was at the battle of Hart's River, it's a small world.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing your story.
@Frob25
@Frob25 7 жыл бұрын
Branko Diklitch, yes it really is some times. You mentioned where you got the belt and bandoleir. Where did the hat and uniform come from?
@brankod495
@brankod495 7 жыл бұрын
The hat is an old RCMP contract made by Christy's of London. A gift from a friend who one day said "I think I have one of those in my basement" when I said I was trying to source one and it turned out to be in my size too. The tunic is from Replicators in India and is a compromise design that doubles as a Serbian WW1 tunic and I will eventually replace it with a more authentic one. The trousers were made by my mom and sister I impose on them for much of my historic clothing nowadays.
@Frob25
@Frob25 7 жыл бұрын
Very good, thanks for all the info!
@Deweyfd13
@Deweyfd13 7 жыл бұрын
Sir I must say you do an excellent job on your work with this channel. I am always impressed with the details and background. Many thanks for your efforts from Oklahoma!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
You are most welcome. Cheers!
@steamengineshooray
@steamengineshooray 7 жыл бұрын
Now that's what I call A E S T H E T I C S. Loved seeing the two rifles sing their song, just to think that they form the 1st of their respective generations :)
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
In a way. They really are the same rifle.... operationally... same capability, same range, same type of action and firepower... It might be more accurate to say that the all the Magazine Lee Metford/Enfield are one generation, whilst the later, Short Magazine Lee Enfields are the second... semantics, yes... :-)
@steamengineshooray
@steamengineshooray 7 жыл бұрын
True true, I just personally like to separate them by the rifling~ :3
@Whitpusmc
@Whitpusmc 7 жыл бұрын
You can really see why stripper clips or enbloc loaders made the magazine cutoff mostly superfluous. The time taken here to load three maybe four rounds into the magazine is about the same as it would take me to fully charge my N4 Mk 1 using the stripper clips and I can load a Garand slightly faster. I bet a different pouch arrangement vs bandoliers used would speed up this loading slightly but stil not to the level of two 5 round clips. Great video!
@batickell
@batickell 7 жыл бұрын
Well so much for getting to bed at a decent time... worth it!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Haha! Still, it's a "good" kind of sleep deprivation, no?
@batickell
@batickell 7 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@franzsim
@franzsim 7 жыл бұрын
The Dragoon, and later the Mounted Infantryman was always scorned by both the Infantryman and Cavalryman. They didn't walk like other infantrymen, but weren't considered true Cavalry like Hussars or Cuirassiers. They existed in a kind of limbo, not quite infantry and not quite cavalry.
@ndenise3460
@ndenise3460 4 жыл бұрын
because they paid cavalry better. from yahoo answers Dragoons is a confusing one. In origins they were a light mounted infantry unit who would use their mounts to manouvre on the battlefield but lacked the skills or mount quality to fight mounted, so fought on foot with carbines. Around the mid-17thC they began to become a fairly standard medium cavalry unit, the process being complete the late 18thC. To confuse matters further some armies used them as light cavalry while France armed them after the fashion of heavy cavalry. Britain called almost all cavalry dragoons 1788-1883 because dragoons were on a lower pay scale.
@jason200912
@jason200912 Жыл бұрын
That's what they get for being cross breed mixed bloods
@DavidHudspethmusicman
@DavidHudspethmusicman 7 жыл бұрын
you look and sound allot like Teddy Roosevelt
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
I suppose there could be worse people to be compared to... Cheers.
@DavidHudspethmusicman
@DavidHudspethmusicman 7 жыл бұрын
britishmuzzleloaders. well he is my favorite war hero
@wierdalien1
@wierdalien1 7 жыл бұрын
David Hudspeth he was a good solider and good president and a good man.
@paulchandler9646
@paulchandler9646 7 жыл бұрын
Churchill saw more combat than him.
@wierdalien1
@wierdalien1 7 жыл бұрын
albert johnson yes but churchill was a dick.
@martin2sheds
@martin2sheds 7 жыл бұрын
Once more; a simply splendid video
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@histman3133
@histman3133 2 жыл бұрын
My great great grandfather was an English Canadian soldier that fought in the Second Boer War and I have a picture of him holding his rifle and the magazine pouch going around his chest like that. He was part of the 5th Canadian Mounted Rifles. Thank you for showing me this and what it was all about!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers! Thanks for sharing!
@histman3133
@histman3133 2 жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders No problem! Happy to. Thank you! The video is very cool!
@MrPh30
@MrPh30 7 жыл бұрын
I liked that ammo over the shoulder belt, wouod be good for driven hunts with easy access to ammo is good to have , and mobillity to move with rifle and ammo is needed also.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
That is why mounted units typically went with this style of ammunition carriage..... Formally, Cavalry wore a small (20 or so rounds) pouch on their back on a sling... the bandolier was the logical extension of this concept for more ammunition...
@napoleonibonaparte7198
@napoleonibonaparte7198 7 жыл бұрын
MrPh30 I don’t prefer the bandolier. Quite a hassle to open a pack every 5 shots, then turning it around once one side is emptied...
@samsadowitz1724
@samsadowitz1724 7 жыл бұрын
Napoleon I Bonaparte i guess thats why detachable magazines became such a big deal later on. Nowadays, most kit on modern soldiers have pouches for magazines instead of the somewhat cumbersome bandoliers
@lisar3006
@lisar3006 7 жыл бұрын
It is so hard to finding a Lee Metford today. I had a 22 cal trainer and a RIC rifle but only one Lee Metford MKII I did not keep it because it had a bad barrel.. I do still have my No1 MK1 *** that replaced the Mk 1 Lee Enfield. Enjoyed you video as always.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
They are a rare beast indeed.
@fartimusbumworthy4682
@fartimusbumworthy4682 7 жыл бұрын
Mate you are brilliant. So much passion in your hobby. Me and my dad think your videos are brilliant. Keep up the good work.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Glad you both enjoy them!
@jwellsgnr
@jwellsgnr 2 жыл бұрын
Extraordinarily comprehensive coverage of the two weapons! Well done, sir!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@mullraugh2571
@mullraugh2571 7 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that the photograph of the soldier from Lord Strathcona's Horse was put in this video at 4:37. It's not often that Canadians are talked about or mentioned during this time period!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Don't forget, my guest Branko, was dressed as A Canadian in the Boer War, too...
@mullraugh2571
@mullraugh2571 7 жыл бұрын
britishmuzzleloaders Oh, of course! I'm just personally biased toward our current serving Cavalry regiments. Let him know I enjoy and appreciate his uniform very much!
@Napoleonheir1805
@Napoleonheir1805 7 жыл бұрын
This channel alongside with MHV and Lindybeige are the most educational and entertaining channels about everything military history and weapons. I particularly appreciate this one due to filling the gap of British Victorian era guns, an era that it is largely ignored by other channels.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that! Glad there is something here that you enjoy. Cheers.
@OldFellaDave
@OldFellaDave 4 жыл бұрын
'Mounted Infantry' is better known as 'Light Horse' here in Australia and were considered an Elite part of our Army right up till 1918. They earnt a great reputation after the actions of various Mounted units that had gone to South Africa during the Second Boer War. During WW1 they fought as the spearhead (with the New Zealand Mounted Rifles) of Allenby's famous 'Desert Army' after Gallipoli when the rest of the Australian and New Zealand Infantry went to France and the Western Front. They would ride vast distances across the Desert and dismount for Combat operations - with the exception of the famous 'Charge at Beersheba' where two regiments of Light Horse charged across the open plains with only their Lee Enfield bayonets, over and into the Turkish trenches outside Beersheeba taking the town and its vital water supplies in October 1917. Even into WW2 the local Militia had a few Light Horse units for home defence. The Light Horse still exist today in the modern Army as 'Armoured Cavalry Regiments' that are mechanised (LAVs and Abrams Tanks) but carry the old Light Horse colours, traditions and history.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed. Another fun fact, strangely, the NZMR were equipped with SMLEs at Gallipoli while the NZ infantry used (non charger loading) MLEs...
@slaughterhound8793
@slaughterhound8793 4 жыл бұрын
An excellent and educational video. A Royal Irish Constabulary carbine converted from a Lee-Metford is one of my "bucket list" firearms I hope to find & buy someday.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers!
@stephenrice4554
@stephenrice4554 2 жыл бұрын
A marvellous demonstration , clearly explained . Great video 👍🇬🇧
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@kalaharimine
@kalaharimine 6 жыл бұрын
Well done Gents. Good presentation, makes history live again.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 6 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@DNchap1417
@DNchap1417 7 жыл бұрын
It's definitely great to see you upload another video after quite some time! You've been busy and it shows!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Cheers.
@DNchap1417
@DNchap1417 7 жыл бұрын
I don't expect the Mounties to be trigger happy, but that bandolier is too unwieldy and cumbersome for practical purposes, when the pouch you carry is a better choice..
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
It's all in the way you use it... once broken in, it would be no more unwieldily than the pouch... after all, huge numbers were used by all arms (including the infantry) during the Boer War. If it was that bad, they'd have binned it... in fact, the bandolier was to become "the way of the future" and was adopted as the primary way to carry ammunition with the 1903 Bandolier Equipment... not saying that it was the definitive way to do it, mind you... soon a better solution came along in the form of the 1908 Equipment.
@DNchap1417
@DNchap1417 7 жыл бұрын
In any case, I love Branko's uniform! He should come to your channel more often...
@OldLugnutz
@OldLugnutz 7 жыл бұрын
My wife and I enjoy your videos. Excellent historical presentation, and Thank you!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you ! Glad you both enjoy them.
@EliteAmmunition
@EliteAmmunition 7 жыл бұрын
I had a 1956 mfg No2 MK4, all numbers matching including stock, magazine, and bayonet, that I bought when a large amount of them surfaced in a government warehouse in Ireland around 1992. All numbers matching and I received it mummy wrapped in paper and cozmoline. One of my favorite rifles ever and one that I had to sell due to divorce. Your video has inspired me to find another one!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
I trust that you are talking about a No4 Mk II?.... :-).... great rifles those. Glad to hear that this has had something to do with your renewed search!
@EliteAmmunition
@EliteAmmunition 7 жыл бұрын
Yep transposed the numbers.
@notarokescientist3003
@notarokescientist3003 3 жыл бұрын
I so appreciate your method of presentation
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@joshlambert6585
@joshlambert6585 7 жыл бұрын
Good to see Branko on screen. Looking good my friend. 🙂 I always enjoy this channel and it's nice to see a familiar face.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
It was good to have him out.
@brankod495
@brankod495 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Josh, it's a small world for those of us into this stuff. I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
@Splodge542
@Splodge542 7 жыл бұрын
The safety catch demonstration reminded me that I was armed with a Lee Enfield stamped 1944 in my days in the British Army Cadets in the 1980s. I was so skinny that I found 15 rounds target practice very painful due to the recoil. I've got a bit more padding now unfortunately. I hope we get to that mark of the Lee Enfield some day on the channel.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
There is a No 4 waiting in the wings...
@Splodge542
@Splodge542 7 жыл бұрын
ita vero
@mikewilburn5884
@mikewilburn5884 4 жыл бұрын
Nice kit. You have inspired me to put my Lithgow mk3n1 into proper working order. Oh yes I will be getting some kit. Thanks
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 4 жыл бұрын
Nice! Have fun shooting it!
@99IronDuke
@99IronDuke 7 жыл бұрын
Another good video. With regards to the mounted infantry bandolier my guess is soldiers would have taken rounds from the part on the back first and, probably have put the remaining rounds somewhere easier to reach.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
That's the point though... there is nowhere else... not really as difficult as maybe was eluded to... pop a buckle and rotate it around... what is the point of having a 50 round bandolier when you only carry 25 in it?... :-)
@christopherpeary7290
@christopherpeary7290 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your video. great to see you are still making these very interesting videos
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
You are most welcome!
@davidseale716
@davidseale716 7 жыл бұрын
As always a great video, a joy to watch and so much information. Please keep them coming.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you David!
@tominva4121
@tominva4121 2 жыл бұрын
Very professional production and informative.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Albu23
@Albu23 2 жыл бұрын
Guys, could someone please say the name of the march song, from 13:57?
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I can't remember. Familiar with the tune, just not the name...
@shademidnight6007
@shademidnight6007 5 жыл бұрын
For those coming back to the video the march used during the shooting segment is apparently General Mitchell done by a guardsmen parade.... don't know which one. Credit to Benjamin Rhyne for recognizing the tune as it had been driving me nuts for over a year. 13:52 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHnNZairmMqli7M
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 5 жыл бұрын
That's the one! Thanks to Ben for finding it!
@ahall1459
@ahall1459 3 жыл бұрын
The term for the "crinkle" in the leather for the bandolier is bag leather, embossed by a patterned roller press. As seen on Gladstone bags, dispatch riders bags, saddle bags an so on...it formally introduces the look of used leather but in a uniform and attractive manner. The Australian light horse was a form of mounted infantry until the introduction of the pattern 1908 sabre in October 1917 were it started to look like cavalry but still performed as mounted infantry until being finally disbanded in 1942 (as in Queensland, Australia), then as militia units and finally reformed into bren gun carrier units.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@tommyatkins2333
@tommyatkins2333 7 жыл бұрын
Cheers, old boy! Great content, long live the queen! Greetings from Brazil.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Fred!
@P61guy61
@P61guy61 7 жыл бұрын
I love your work. A gift to everyone. History like this is priceless. Thank you.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very kindly, William.
@alexanderkelley5459
@alexanderkelley5459 7 жыл бұрын
Came for the mustache, stayed for the knowledge!! Great video!!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Haha! Cheers!
@Jarod-vg9wq
@Jarod-vg9wq 5 жыл бұрын
I ever had so much fun layering about guns and the history behind it sense tales of the gun.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear!
@theoldehandgonne2503
@theoldehandgonne2503 6 жыл бұрын
Do you perhaps know why the later models of Lee-Enfield rifle neglected the addition of dust-covers? Was it done to facilitate the implementation of the charger bridge? Could have been quite useful to have one during the dirty, jam-inducing conditions of trench warfare.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 6 жыл бұрын
That's my understanding... the bridge would have had to be too big... best get into the books on it though,... topic for next weeks reading...
@SaltySargefox5
@SaltySargefox5 7 жыл бұрын
Don't know if this is pertinent, but on some later models of Lee-Enfield, pressing the trigger while pushing the bolt home (before the point where the spring is engaged) relieves spring tension without the dry fire. (Caveat: I have never personally experienced failure of the spring or firing pin, but this was the way I was taught.) Some other rifles have similar features. For instance, on some models of Mauser rifle, one grasps the bolt handle after pushing forward and eases it down while pressing the trigger. As always, though, your video was both informative and enjoyable. Cheers!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
It does indeed.... that is not "the drill" though.
@SaltySargefox5
@SaltySargefox5 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the reply. That makes sense since back in the day you had an armourer and if a spring busted you could just take it to him.
@DABrock-author
@DABrock-author 7 жыл бұрын
D. Hall Also, dry firing proved that the rifle was not loaded. This is a rule in modern day action shooting sports such as IPSC, USPSA, and IDPA for that exact reason.
@KalashmanNC
@KalashmanNC 6 жыл бұрын
Just found you through Ian, awesome stuff. Subscribed!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 6 жыл бұрын
Glad to have you along! Cheers.
@cptnemo20kl
@cptnemo20kl 7 жыл бұрын
I seriously thought that the side by side shooting was another composite shot for a while before I realized they were two actual people shooting at the same time.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
We were right next to each other, yes... :-)
@EzraTurner-n9j
@EzraTurner-n9j Жыл бұрын
Question! In that bit of the Video what song was playing over it?
@nnglnd
@nnglnd 2 жыл бұрын
It's nice to hear the royal Canadian kilted yaksman playing in the background
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 2 жыл бұрын
Haha!
@galbas78
@galbas78 7 жыл бұрын
thank you so much for posting this video! I am currently reading a book about the 1899 boer war. everything you and your friend have demonstrated here has only validated what I have read and it's great to get a very nice visual on the equipment and uniforms that were mentioned in my book. cracking good job!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Glad that it helped in your understanding! You are most welcome!
@vercingetorix3839
@vercingetorix3839 7 жыл бұрын
What book are you reading, if you don't mind me asking
@galbas78
@galbas78 7 жыл бұрын
its part of the on going Osprey historical series "COMBAT" volume 26 Boer Guerilla vs. British mounted soldier. south Africa 1880-1902
@zmxl1020
@zmxl1020 4 жыл бұрын
Superb, thorough presentation!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@mr_h831
@mr_h831 4 жыл бұрын
What's cool about comparing these two guns is that at some point in history they might have indeed been used side by side, just as you are doing now. That's super cool! :D
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 4 жыл бұрын
Yes they were. In British service, they were definitely in service, in the same units, at the same time...
@mr_h831
@mr_h831 4 жыл бұрын
britishmuzzleloaders yep! That's why this is cool! It's almost a simulation of what it might have looked like for the average soldier at the time. Other than the missing element of someone shooting back of course... xD
@kyleno4mk27
@kyleno4mk27 7 жыл бұрын
Great work on the bandoleer Branko!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
He did great work!
@jason200912
@jason200912 Жыл бұрын
Oh man those dust covers are beautiful
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders Жыл бұрын
👍
@oolooo
@oolooo 4 жыл бұрын
These always look SO MUCH better than the rest of the Lee family .They need to make a comeback .
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 4 жыл бұрын
They are certainly distinctive, yes.
@Messines17
@Messines17 7 жыл бұрын
Trivial question, but from observing fired projectiles, can it be determines whether they were fired from a Lee Metford or Lee Enfield based on the rifling marks left on them?
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Yes.... Medford rifling has seven grooves, whist modern "Enfield" rifling has five.
@Messines17
@Messines17 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Rob, I had some .303 projectiles from a Victorian rifle range backstop, they're from a Metford. Thanks again, keep up the great work.
@mackrosenbury4359
@mackrosenbury4359 7 жыл бұрын
Where did you find the picture of the Camel Corps engaged?!
@theblackprince1346
@theblackprince1346 7 жыл бұрын
17k subs great work Rob!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
I hadn't noticed until now.. :-) ... Thank you!
@nak6050
@nak6050 7 жыл бұрын
What is the music played during the side by side shooting part at 14:00?
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
I think it from a Guards' parade.
@mauwalker
@mauwalker 6 жыл бұрын
You’re sharper on drill than Branko is. :) Great video.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 6 жыл бұрын
Now now,.... Everybody beings something to the table...
@calumpiober1535
@calumpiober1535 4 жыл бұрын
Do you know if the mounted infantry at 18.30 are Gordons or Seaforths? - A little difficult to tell without seeing their cap badges close up and with no collar dogs. Gordons I THINK?
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 4 жыл бұрын
They are Gordons.
@Nebulax123
@Nebulax123 6 жыл бұрын
I noticed in many of the pictures that appear to be in the field the men using two crossed bandoliers doubling the number of rounds available. Do you think this would have been common practice or limited to certain units?
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 6 жыл бұрын
Bandoliers were commonplace in the Boer War. Both as a supplement to conventional equipment and also as a replacement for the associated pouches... The MI and Cavalry arms used bandoliers nearly exclusively.
@johnfisk811
@johnfisk811 7 жыл бұрын
Later versions of Cordite were cooler and less erosive. The Japanese continued to use Metford rifling with smokeless powder in their Arisaka rifles with no problem. Metford rifling is one of the species of polygonal rifling modified to a more rounded shape to reduce fouling collection in black powder use. Polygonal rifling having been used almost from when rifling began from time to time and was resurrected by Isombard Brunel in conjunction with Westley Richards and, um..., 'borrowed' by Whitworth. You are right about home units still having Martinis until quite late. My grandfather joined the Northamptonshire Regiment before the Second South African War and was trained as a recruit on Martinis. Probably Martini Metfords or Martini Enfields. Well done Rob and my thanks to Branko also.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
I wasn't aware that the Japanese used Cordite in their service ammo.
@johnfisk811
@johnfisk811 7 жыл бұрын
Not cordite but cordite had overcome it's hot erosion issues so was not so dissimilar to the Japanese powder in performance so Britain could have reverted to Metford rifling had they so wished.
@davejones6006
@davejones6006 Жыл бұрын
I picked up a Lee Metford cavalry carbine that still has the saddle ring if you are interested in borrowing it for a video.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Already got one!
@christopherwang4392
@christopherwang4392 7 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you could also do a video about the Charger Loading Lee-Enfield or CLLE? It is the Magazine Lee Enfield aka the "Long Lee Enfield" converted to load from chargers. It was introduced in 1906 at around the same time the SMLE was being issued.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
I'd have to have one first... :-)
@taffcourtney127
@taffcourtney127 6 жыл бұрын
l have an enfield stamped 1901 with a charger bridge
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 6 жыл бұрын
That's because they were converted from MLEs.
@kwigoldskull3418
@kwigoldskull3418 7 жыл бұрын
would you please be able to do a video on how to shoot a rifel exsplaineing the holding of the fire arm the breathing and sight a linement thanks as i have allways wanted to lern shoot but have never had the chance.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
I suppose so.
@kwigoldskull3418
@kwigoldskull3418 7 жыл бұрын
thank you very much
@liammeech3702
@liammeech3702 Жыл бұрын
Sorry for commenting on an old video, but in regards to the 'Fadosha incident' - Did they have access to older black powder ammo for their Metfords? Or have to make do with Cordite?
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders Жыл бұрын
Ammunition was all Cordite by 1898…. Black powder ammunition was a simple stop gap used in the very early 1890s until a suitable smokeless powder was chosen… this ended up being cordite which was adopted in 1891.
@701count
@701count Жыл бұрын
i have bought a Lee Metford mark2* a couple weeks ago but it is missing the volley sights.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders Жыл бұрын
Ah, too bad…
@Stewart682
@Stewart682 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I just acquired a Mk1 LE. After watching your video it seems that mine might be a converted LM. It has most of the parts for a LM but is clearly stamped LE I. I can't remove the bolt (easily anyway) so I can't check the rifling. Mine is an 1896 BSA ser # 7157. Is that plausible? I have photos if that would help. Thanks much.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders Жыл бұрын
What makes you think it's a converted MLM?
@Stewart682
@Stewart682 Жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders It has LM furniture but is stamped LE MkI. It has M&D stamped on the butt which I believe means it was Canadian issue prior to the Boer War.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders Жыл бұрын
@@Stewart682 What do you mean by "LM furniture"?
@Stewart682
@Stewart682 Жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders It has the same stock as a MLM MkI*. It has the barleycorn front sight and an Enfield barrel. It has the groove for the clearing rod but the rod itself is not original. It also has a ten round magazine (I put ten rounds in it). My understanding is that a number of Metfords were converted to Enfields by essentially just swapping out the barrels.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders Жыл бұрын
@@Stewart682 Should like to see pics of that! Would you mind sending some to the Channel Email? Found in the "About" tab on the Channel main page.
@8wolfgang8
@8wolfgang8 5 жыл бұрын
What is the background music 0f 14:20
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I didn't take notes... it's from a parade in London, if I recall..
@8wolfgang8
@8wolfgang8 5 жыл бұрын
Oh ok thank you
@brendanmorehouse3431
@brendanmorehouse3431 10 ай бұрын
Does that Lee Metford have an E stamp on the Nocks form? If so, is that due to it being re-barreled? Love the videos by the way keep up the great productions!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 10 ай бұрын
My Metford has an Enfield barrel, yes...
@shiftygoose7230
@shiftygoose7230 7 жыл бұрын
Enjoying the Lee Family Tree History
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it! Thanks.
@juliedavies7185
@juliedavies7185 4 жыл бұрын
britishmuzzleloaders. Excellent video. Thank you. I understand some if not all of the British territorial battalions were issued with the MLE when they first went overseas at the start of WW1, as was the case of my grandfathers battalion (1/10 Liverpool Scottish). I believe the MLE started to be replaced by the SMLE in 1915 but not completed until 1916. Do you have any knowledge of this in respect to the accuracy of my information and the models of MLE that they would have been issued with. Thank you again. Keep up the good work
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 4 жыл бұрын
The MLE was generally replaced by the CLLE (charger loading) or indeed with SMLEs in the Territorial Army by the time of the Great War. There were very few units who reached the field with the (non-charger loading) MLE... The NZ infantry at Gallipoli were one such group...
@juliedavies7185
@juliedavies7185 4 жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders Thanks for the reply. Now got to find out about the CLLE. This research business is never ending!!!
@peabody2884
@peabody2884 21 күн бұрын
I would have liked to have known if there were any differences between the Enfield and the Metford as to range.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 20 күн бұрын
It wasn't mentioned because there wasn't... They are the same rifle, except for the rifling... which was a matter of robustness, not accuracy.
@fleischegurken
@fleischegurken 7 жыл бұрын
Great job on the bandolier...
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
He did a great job.
@FriendChicken
@FriendChicken 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this very informative video sir. 💯
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
You are most welcome!
@RabbitusMaximus
@RabbitusMaximus 6 жыл бұрын
i just love listening to this guy. 😁
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 6 жыл бұрын
Good, I have a face for radio...
@dewaldbekker883
@dewaldbekker883 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I'm South African and I believe I have a boer war era Lee-Metford. And would like to ask if I could get some help making sure I identified it correctly. Over the years some parts were lost/removed as it was decommissioned. The sights are missing and holes have been drilled in the barrel along with the barrel being filled with tin/lead. Some info: It has grooves on the side of the stock. The volley/aprature sights have been removed but the front plate with the distance markings is still present. It doesn't have a dust guard anymore either. There is an indentation under the magazine catch. The rifle has a lot of markings all over. It doesn't have a cleaning rod either. There's no hand guard and no front cap. There isn't a safety catch present on the rifle. It has some markings of what I assume is initials on the side of the butt, as was common for the boers. I wouldn't mind sharing pictures of the rifle either. It has quite a bit of rust and I'm planning on restoring it to at least look somewhat like it used to
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders Жыл бұрын
Sounds like you have a bit of work ahead of you!
@NERVNOTO
@NERVNOTO 6 жыл бұрын
svaka cast branko.,.puno pozdrava iz bivse yugoslavje
@petrondacus1671
@petrondacus1671 7 жыл бұрын
What is the music at 14:16?
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Don't know off hand. It's from a Trooping, I think.
@lazlow9640
@lazlow9640 5 жыл бұрын
I live around 20/30 minutes from the Enfield Mills, If you ever find yourself in North London, go and have a look! Excellent day out the Waltham Abbey Gunpower Mills!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 5 жыл бұрын
Cool!
@lazlow9640
@lazlow9640 5 жыл бұрын
@@britishmuzzleloaders Planning a trip this weekend actually, lovely fields too walk in around the mills as well, perfect day out!
@Emdee5632
@Emdee5632 6 жыл бұрын
Volley fire in Canada? In the eightteen nineties? What sort of target might that have been?
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 6 жыл бұрын
A huge part of fire discipline in the 1890s.
@rupertmcnaughtdavis7302
@rupertmcnaughtdavis7302 7 жыл бұрын
Most informative.From South Africa.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@thetazman6
@thetazman6 5 жыл бұрын
Love the channel informative : interesting : vey well done
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@benjaminrhyne469
@benjaminrhyne469 7 жыл бұрын
Who played this version of General Mitchell
@545x39Rat
@545x39Rat 7 жыл бұрын
What is the butt disk for??? Mine is missing of my ShtLE but a glue residue preserved some of the markings on it.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Unit markings.
@545x39Rat
@545x39Rat 7 жыл бұрын
britishmuzzleloaders thanks I will do some more research on my gun. So far I know it was used by a Israeli soldier in The War of Independence and after the soldier moved to the USA he eventually sold it to a gun shop where my uncle picked it up for $200
@mediocrefunkybeat
@mediocrefunkybeat 7 жыл бұрын
'Might be interesting'. Are you kidding?! 'Possibly the most interesting comparison I could show', is more like it!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Hahaha.... wouldn't want to assume...
@EzraTurner-n9j
@EzraTurner-n9j Жыл бұрын
Can I get a list of the music you used in this video?
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders Жыл бұрын
Sorry, I don't keep a list of the music I use in the videos,...
@gordondundas5920
@gordondundas5920 4 жыл бұрын
I really want to know where you got the hat . I have always wanted one.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 4 жыл бұрын
They are available on the inter web.
@rdjhardy
@rdjhardy 7 жыл бұрын
As a Canadian that served in the British Army I have a fondness for your channel. One question: one of your uniforms feature a soft white cap with a nape sun guard, can you tell me of it provenance? I assume it is a fatigue cap for Sudan or the Horn, but I've not seen one before. With thanks.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 7 жыл бұрын
Hi there. Thanks for the kind words. The cap of which you speak is really just a cover for my Kilmarnock.. It's made from an old sheet. It is featured in Part One of the "Kit" Series.
@rodsherwood2036
@rodsherwood2036 5 жыл бұрын
hats of to you this is so very well done
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@bbtfan4617
@bbtfan4617 6 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video of the Long Lee Enfield vs. Boer War Mauser.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 6 жыл бұрын
Don't have a Mauser... that would be great.
@calumpiober1535
@calumpiober1535 4 жыл бұрын
Love the photo of the Argylls with their "swinging six" sporrans!!
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 4 жыл бұрын
Very distinctive, yes.
@Marcus-rs6fr
@Marcus-rs6fr 3 жыл бұрын
What song is that ? 14:15
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry I can't tell you off the top of my head.
@historyarmyproductions
@historyarmyproductions 4 жыл бұрын
14:16 Song?
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry, name escapes me.
@Tragon-p8m
@Tragon-p8m 5 жыл бұрын
Wasn't there a shorter ''Carbine'' version of the Metford also?
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, both the LM and the LE had carbine versions.
@3vimages471
@3vimages471 4 жыл бұрын
OK I am dumb ..... is Lee a place the gun was made or the designer or company name? Same with Enfield and Metford? Thanks.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 4 жыл бұрын
Lee was the man whose rifle action and magazine was used as the basis for this family of rifles. Enfield was the form of rifling (IOW a reference to the barrel). Snider-Enfield refers to the "action" (or shoe, as it was known) and barrel, and the same with the Martini-Henry (again, action-barrel)
@scootergrant8683
@scootergrant8683 Жыл бұрын
I am beyond impressed with the condition of these rifles.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders Жыл бұрын
Cheers!
@Tiger74147
@Tiger74147 3 жыл бұрын
Those mounted infantry uniforms are cool as hell.
@britishmuzzleloaders
@britishmuzzleloaders 3 жыл бұрын
They can be rather distinctive, yes...
@tankweeb9425
@tankweeb9425 7 жыл бұрын
11:20 Wait when did the British Empire adopt copper jacketed rifle rounds?
@Tomartyr
@Tomartyr 7 жыл бұрын
Sorry if I'm mistaken but that looks like an unjacketed lead round to me, unless you are referring to the casing.
@tankweeb9425
@tankweeb9425 7 жыл бұрын
No you are indeed right, that's why I asked the question, as I assumed the British would have adopted copper jacketed rounds in their rifles at the very least in 1896, however they are using cast lead rounds in this video so I am asking if that would have been historically accurate and also if they didn't use jacketed rounds in the Mk I Lee-Enfield, when did they change to the copper jacketed rounds.
@tankweeb9425
@tankweeb9425 7 жыл бұрын
Branko Diklitch Thank you for letting us know, but do the rounds in this video look like they have been cupro-nickled?
@Tomartyr
@Tomartyr 7 жыл бұрын
Sorry completely misunderstood what you said. I thought you were objecting to them using what you thought were copper jacketed rounds, don't know why my brain jumped to that meaning first.
@brankod495
@brankod495 7 жыл бұрын
The hard cast lead looks similar to the cupro-nickel but not quite the same to someone who knows their metals.
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