The No 5, Mk I Lee Enfield: A Comparison with the No 4

[@RiflemanMoore]

In the voice of Christopher Lee: I've been looking forward to this.

[@danieldalessandro96]

"My barrel has been shortened since the last time we met count"

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Haha!

[@Treblaine]

@@danieldalessandro96 "Good good, half the weight, twice the recoil!"

[@EdTzani]

Hello There - In the voice of Ewan McGregor

[@liammeech3702]

Christopher Lee Jmaes Paris-Lee Both Gypsies it would seem

[@7bootzy]

This channel lets me vicariously live out my "boy playing soldier in backyard" childhood memories in style.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@sski]

Gun Jesus (Ian from Forgotten Weapons) recommended this video today to learn more about the No. 5 after his brief showing of some examples today. I wasn't disappointed. You have a great thing going here. I believe I'll be setting up camp just over here somewhere, thanks!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Welcome! and thank you!

[@sski]

@@britishmuzzleloaders Thank YOU! Enjoying the channel immensely!

[@GEV646]

I'd be willing to bet that the No. 5's reputation for heavy recoil comes from people that have significantly less trigger time on a Martini Henry.

[@ImageLimestone]

Or the fact that it's a short, light rifle firing full power .303 British.

[@JacobN-hg8tv]

Mihajlo go sell propane and propane accessories somewhere else you shmuck, he was making a joke lol

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Well put!

[@skepticalbadger]

@@ImageLimestone For me; its felt recoil is no worse than the No. 4. I have terrible upper body strength and they feel the same to me, even with a hardened buttpad.

[@skepticalbadger]

@Maz Robinson Source? I have never seen this claim.

[@grantlee5737]

The look after the wandering zero joke was great

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@redfoot69]

Glass bees stock you never have a major wander zero issue again.

[@Wilson2005WAW]

I'm glad that my country use the Jungle Carbine. Respect from Malaysia.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@Wilson2005WAW]

@@britishmuzzleloaders you too, buddy.

[@rasnosehobbieschannel8941]

Masih digunakan oleh Brimob di Surabaya. Saya masih punya sangkur No 5 Mk I Lee Enfield ini yang pernah untuk operasi Trikora, Dwikora dan Seroja oleh anggota Banteng Raiders. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3-8fGuch9B6Y6c

[@luqmanhakim7379]

I think it was used in Malayan Emergency 1948-1960...........

[@herbertliedel7019]

My first deer rifle when I was 14. (1958) Dropped a nice buck at 150 yards in the Michigan woods. Bought the rifle at Kmart in Michigan with 3 boxes of old surplus ammo for the total price of $15.00 US. Still have that carbine and bayonet in my collection.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Nice!

[@jeffturnbull9661]

Best score of your life

[@nhwnhw02]

Yep, I was kid back then and would see Jungle Carbines for sale in the back of magazines for $12-$13.

[@Chilly_Billy]

I owned a No.5 in my late teens, bought when it was "just another Enfield." That was the late 1980's. It cost me about $150 then and in it's surprisingly good condition would go for several times than today. I most foolishly sold it to finance another long forgotten project.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Oh to have rifles for $150 again...

[@JimCOsd55]

Bought a Jungle Carbine in the early 80’s for $80 ... they had them sitting in a barrel. Almost cut off the bayonet lug and flash hider but a gunsmith talked me out of it, that it would ruin its value! So instead I found a bayonet, bandolier and a tin hat to complete the ensemble. Glad I listened, guess it’s time to get it out and run a few rounds thru it ... I added a wrap around butt pad to help with the recoil.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

@@JimCOsd55 Good acquisition then!

[@fenderfetish]

I did too - I also bought a No.4 to complement it. I miss those rifles....

[@brandonboyd2500]

Got mine at a gun show in Ontario. Full matching numbers even magazine. It was $1000. Got one that Bubba got his hands on for $250

[@medicineman360]

During the golden years of the 90s, when surplus rifles could be had for dirt cheap, I picked up a No 5, Mk 1 from a local department store, for $60. Surplus .303 British was still pretty available, and it was such a fun gun to shoot. One of the few I've regretted selling, over the years. As always, outstanding content!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers! No more $60 rifles out there anymore.... 🙂

[@arswealthpac4343]

This guy's intro will never dissapoints.. If he make a series, i'm sure i'll watch it

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you!

[@t.b.cont.]

“What you? A wandering hero? More like a wandering zero” *destroyed*

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

So,.... funny then?

[@AbrahamLincoln4]

Japanese Zero planes: *"Am I a Joke to you?"*

[@tacticalfall4505]

@@AbrahamLincoln4 clever

[@Tadicuslegion78]

Field Marshal Slim: Mr. Prime Minister, what tools are you giving me to take back Burma? Churchill: here's a ham sandwich, some American dollars, a bit of string, and the broken down old junk Monty didn't want. Now go away, I have harebrain ideas to think up for Norway and the Balkans.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

They did sterling work for what they had...

[@Tadicuslegion78]

@@britishmuzzleloaders Testament to Slim's abilities as a General

[@keithorbell8946]

End of the Supply Chain, the Western Allies agreed on a “Germany First” supply process. Serious question, did this apply to American troops Island hopping in the Pacific?

[@Tadicuslegion78]

@@keithorbell8946 Kinda..but it was also a different situation as the American Effort in the Pacific is divided into 2 theaters: The Central Pacific, which the US Navy ran as that was mainly a naval operation with the island hopping. The other was the Southwest Pacific Theater which is MacArthur in New Guinea and his "hopping" strategy there to get to the Philippines. So Kinda yes. But it was more, just the sheer size of the Pacific and the time it takes to move

[@keithorbell8946]

Tadicuslegion78 thank you, I honestly wasn’t throwing shade, I was seriously interested. On another KZbin channel’s video about SMLE’s someone posted a message saying that the British Army didn’t use the SMLE after the introduction of the No. 4, I was able to correct the poster, the only theatre were the No.4 was used exclusively was the North West Europe Theatre, even in Italy the SMLE was used alongside the No. 4.

[@Bayan1905]

Ahh, the No. 4 , I miss mine, it was the very first rifle I ever owned. I bought one for $75 at a gun shop in 1994. I wish I had never gotten rid of it.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Too bad....

[@stephentaylor6204]

I bought my first No5 in 1965. I still have one. Thank you for an excellent presentation

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

You are quite welcome!

[@Lord.Kiltridge]

How dare you point your rifle at yourself even thought you weren't actually where you weren't when you did or didn't do it.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Sure thing.... Very much a "modern" sensibility... just watch a few minutes of newsreels...

[@chickenman1801]

@@britishmuzzleloaders you mean lasing wasn't a thing in history? Why would firearm safety have changed?

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

@@chickenman1801 Have you watched any newsreels?

[@chickenman1801]

@@britishmuzzleloaders I guess not, I have seen cop training footage from the 70s where they have no trigger discipline. You know a newsreel offhand? Why would they not promote safety then?

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

@@chickenman1801 kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKCZiGWpZsR0nLs

[@AbbieOates]

That zero joke got me. Incredible.

[@slaughterround643]

I didn't even get it until I went back the second time to see if Tommy 1 flagged Tommy 2 with his carbine

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Very much a "modern" sensibility....

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@joeblow9657]

That intro/cold opening had the best round about the long way joke and punch line I've ever heard

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@jsma9999]

Thank you James and Vince For Letting this Number 5 Rifle, Great Film Thank you

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Indeed!

[@MrRedbeard762]

An excellent video, I really appreciate the side by side firing examples.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you!

[@ltpowell]

Dear sir - you are one of the best out here in british arsenal history! Many thanks to you! You helping me and my friends make Commonwealth reenactment in Russia much better! Cheers from Moskow and Commonwealth reenactment group.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you! Glad there is something here that helps in your activities!

[@cuhurun]

britishmuzzleloders... Love the fact you've got all the kit (dead accurate, too) for all periods you cover in your vids... excellent stuff !!!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Well, it's good enough for presenting the rifle on video.

[@chrishewitt4220]

Another wonderful adventure through the Lee Enfield! Thanks, Rob.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@chrisgibson5267]

Half expecting Battery Sergeant Major Williams to show up and give you the benefit of his " hexperience", lovely boy.

[@509Gman]

Chris Gibson “HYOUUU!”

[@JosipRadnik1]

@@509Gman Hmmm... wonder what his sergeant said when his brain farted. Maybe they had to cut it out because it was too rude for youtube

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Maybe one day!

[@thecelticprince4949]

@John Smith ohh dear ow sad, never mind, hmm hmm hmm. A fine actor ee was.

[@wbertie2604]

@John Smith I hear that in real life he was a very gentle man.

[@chriscone2684]

Quality presentation. Been collecting Enfields for 35+ years, still enjoy learning something new. Cheers...

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Great to hear!

[@jim99west46]

Your shows are so damn good! Thanks for the effort, it's not easy to do!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you!

[@jim99west46]

The detail accuracy and everything else exceeds anything I've ever seen on this subject. Hopefully you'll be able to get to the C1 one day!

[@tomcrews8467]

This was excellent. The right combination of nerdy data and informative history. The range test was one of the most thorough and effective I’ve seen. I was on the ground in Vietnam for six month in late 1969 and early 1970. I also had a chance about ten years ago to shoot ten rounds through a model 5 on a standard range with round targets. All at 100 yards. What a pleasure. It just looks cool! I agree with you that the handiness alone would have justified the early adoption Asia in WWII. The felt recoil and the rest are pretty much as you’ve said. In Vietnam the CAR-15 vs the A1 generated similar feedback. Great video. I don’t think I’ve seen you channel before. I subscribed.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Than you for the subby! Glad you have you along!

[@CrowDawg11]

A few years ago I came across one in a Cabela's, but by the time I could save the spare money for it, it was gone. Always felt like the one that got away. I *loved* the way it felt in the hand. Very handy indeed.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Ahh,..... that's a shame!

[@Rumblestrip]

I suspect the "wondering zero" issue had something to do with stock swelling. Theyd zero it in say, north Africa then get transferred to jungle climates, like say Vietnam or Korean, check zero on day 1 in country then again like a week later. By that point the wood soaked up moisture and swelled contorting the barrel a bit in the inlet. Just a theory, but wood stocks tend to do this a bit seasonally ever so slightly throughout the year. Seen it in my own firearms.

[@aker1993]

man in south east Asia where i am the humid climate and seasonal monsoons wreak havoc on the wooden houses that are not painted or treated with varnish or wood oils that why many M1 Garands that came in the Philippines are in worst shape

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Could very well be part of the myth...

[@MattMerica76]

There were reported similar problems reported with the US Model-14 in Vietnam.

[@bobjames6284]

The stock swelling was common to all Enfields, not just the Jungle Carbine. It was a pressure-bedded barrel, so the stock always put some pressure on the barrel. With the shorter forestock, the problem would actually be less. Glass bedding and floating the barrel would get rid of that problem, but cause the group to be wider from the start but keep the zero with repeated firing, whereas the pressure bedded rifle would hold a tighter group that would shift as the barrel heated up. ( I once was at a competition in Army Cadets where a guy got caught with a rifle that had been glass bedded. Not a fun day for him.) The "wandering zero" was caused by the lightening cuts on the receiver. The SMLE had rear locking lugs, and the modified receiver had less thermal mass. As it heated up with repeated firing, the receiver would expand slightly and the head space would change. This allowed the cartridge to sit a little loose in the chamber and the bullet wouldn't be perfectly aligned with the barrel, letting it wobble a bit and fly a bit out of line. The reason sporting shooters don't see this problem is that it only shows up when the rifle is really hot, like after firing about 200 rounds fast. The original receiver probably would have had the same problem, but with the extra mass it would take longer to show up. As far as the "savage" recoil goes, I figure that has something to do with the English not growing up playing with 12 gauge shotguns. A .303 has a pretty wimpy recoil compared to that.

[@adelarsen9776]

I had a 12/47 for 30 years and it had a wandering zero. Barrel harmonics and twist rate may have played a part.

[@deanstuart8012]

John Peel playing in the background. Someone has obviously read George Macdonald Fraser's "Quartered Safe Out Here".

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

So has someone else..... 🙂

[@keithorbell8946]

He was a Lance- Jack in the Border Regiment then, 19 years old. After amalgamation to become the King’s Own Royal Border Regiment, they sponsored me to do the RCB, which I failed. Ooops

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

@@keithorbell8946 As indicated by my response, I have indeed read the book (many times ) 🙂 Great book.

[@keithorbell8946]

britishmuzzleloaders I’d guessed you were a George MacDonald Fraser aficionado after referring to MacAuslan in one of your previous videos 😉. But, the comment of mine was to refer to the fact that I almost served in the same regiment as him.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

@@keithorbell8946 So sad that all the old Regiments are gone now,.....

[@louiscifer5438]

I love these rifles, I recently bought a beautiful N° 1 Mk3, I'm missing a Lee Metford and a P14 to finish my Lee Enfield collection ... An important video for me, thank you.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

You are most welcome!

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

Great work as always Rob. A few observations; 1) The wandering zero was a very real issue documented in the Pattern Room archive. I have not seriously researched it but from sight of some documents and conversations with Ian Patrick of the HBSA, I gather that it was jungle-specific; heat and/or humidity-related. Peter Laidler has also attested to its reality in actual (jungle) service post-war. I'm not surprised that milsurp shooters have not encountered it. 2) The No. 5 was not in fact conceived as a No. 4 replacement but as a pure jungle rifle; it was not mooted as a general service weapon until post-war. I too had picked this idea of it being a linear successor from somewhere but there's really no evidence for it. The idea that it might replace No. 4 came as an afterthought. 3) The recoil is indeed not a big deal; I regard it as comparable with the No. 4. As I noted via FB earlier, there was a 'comfort study' done in 1944 that rated the No. 5 'uncomfortable' based on its measured recoil energy (not, it seems, on interviews with users). 4) You are correct that development of self-loading and automatic rifles and lack of funding were primary factors in the demise of the No. 5. The lack of available staff was another factor; they were needed to work on other projects including the ongoing SLRs, Machine Carbines and Automatic Rifles (which by 1947, including the AR EM1 and AR EM2).

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Certainly not saying the zeroing issues didn't exist, but rather I thought it prudent to discuss the fact that it is, in the wider shooting community, they are bit of an enigma. There was this article written by him here (maybe that is what you are referencing)... photos.imageevent.com/badgerdog/generalstorage/peterlaidlerpostsleeenfieldforums/icons/No5%20Wandering%20Zero%20The%20Facts.pdf.jpg As for the "General Service not Jungle service", I suppose that I should have been more pointed in clarifying what that meant. Thanks for the comments! Cheers.

[@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries]

@@britishmuzzleloaders That's the article I was thinking of; anecdotal but supports the idea of it being an issue specific to the intended theatre/conditions. No criticism intended by the way, just things that I thought people might not be clear on. The video itself was great, as always and regardless of the chosen subject matter; informative, entertaining, and well-made.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

@@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries First hand knowledge of any issues is always the best, and he seemed to have some knowledge/experience of it...

[@adelarsen9776]

I had a 12/47 for 30 years and it had a wandering zero. Harmonics and twist were likely culprits.

[@seankeaney823]

Their is a good chance that the wandering zero issue was specific to particular rifles and the “lemons” were thrown out long ago. The recoil is manageable for people who do not have bad habits, I started using my fathers no5 at 13 or 14. He drilled into me though to keep my thumb on the right side of the stock and to not lean my face to close the the back of the action. People who are used to non military rifles like the Remington 700 & Winchester 70 tend to do both and when handed a No4, No5 even a Mauser 98k will wack their nose with their first, and for many last, shot. It has its idiosyncrasies but is a real joy to shoot and hunt with once you have figured them out.

[@EdwardAbbeymatters]

It's astounding how excellent this Channel is.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you! Please tell your friends.

[@itsapittie]

That was very enlightening. I would have expected felt recoil to increase significantly after taking more than 2 pounds off the weight of the rifle. I've only shot one a few rounds many years ago and I recall that recoil was brisk but manageable, although I didn't have a No. 4 for comparison. The rubber buttpad on the one I shot was quite hard, likely due to age, and It would be interesting to know what they were like when new and whether it really made a noticeable difference in felt recoil. I'd also be interested to know if soldiers of the time thought it had hard recoil or if that reputation developed later from the reports of collectors.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Couldn't tell you... I only have my experience.

[@skepticalbadger]

@@britishmuzzleloaders I too found it no worse than a No. 4.

[@andrewflindall9048]

There's probably some compensation because of the shorter barrel - the recoil force is acting for a shorter time.

[@steveewart6474]

The felt recoil is accentuated by the Rubber recoil pad. This pad has absolutely no give in it at all and actually makes the butt even more narrow, almost making it a chisel point. I work in a Rubber Factory and have managed to mould a couple from different types of Neoprene. It helps, but not much.

[@lisar3006]

I have two all matching serial numbers with excellent bores and I have had two others over the years . I had issues with the No.#5 holding it's zero. I had one rifle where someone had put a much taller No.# 4 sight on it. Nether of my No.# 5 rifles have a nose cap one of the ones I no longer have did have the nose cap. My most accurate Enfield I own is a No.# 3 MK.1 with an adjustable rear sight and it still has the magazine cut off. made by BSA 1917. I bought it in the 60's for $25.00 and made war on wood chucks on the farm with it.Great video thank you.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Nice!

[@611_hornet5]

"We never had anything approaching top of the line kit! Why this rifle, hat, and these boots were issued to my dad in the trenches during the first go-around!"

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Pretty much... 14th Army made do with nothing...

[@australianmade2659]

I think the mustache is worth a point. Old Skool

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@DIVeltro]

I miss my No5.... even though it went to a damn good home to a newlywed couple who are very appreciative of it.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Nice!

[@carlosbaja678]

Great Video! You are like a ghost, having fought in so many wars.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Haha!.. You mean represented the musketry of many wars,... 🙂

[@carlosbaja678]

@@britishmuzzleloaders YES! Represented. Like Michael Caine and Stanley Baker in ZULU - TWIST - You portray ALL the roles!

[@johnshields9110]

I have a No. 5 and I feel it kicks harder than the older SMLE from say WWI. That rubber butt plate extension is like iron! However, for handy rugged fire power stored behind the truck seat, I loved it. The flip up peep site added more precision at 200 yards, though it was no tack driver. I mostly used it as a brush gun, and for quick hunts/scouting new territory. That flash hider gives is a sinister appearance, and it seems to be common knowledge that British rifles holds 10 rounds. I'm just a shooter and hunter, but one time I pulled it out around a group of duplicitous souls who were up to no good; they all got quiet and decided they needed to be somewhere else.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Certainly handier!

[@Ethan-xf4or]

Great vid! Also I like the fact you acknowledge most comments and reply as best you can. Shows you care about your audience.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

That’s very kind of you to say. Cheers.

[@awesomeboy4353]

This channel look like a history documentary come to live .

[@exploringwithlarry4140]

That is the point of it all

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you!

[@awesomeboy4353]

@@britishmuzzleloaders you are welcome

[@WWIIUK]

Fantastic video. I had the honour of talking to a veteran of the 3rd Indian Infantry division who was issued a no5 rifle just after the war had ended, in time to bring it back from India. He lost it on a train apon his arrival in the the UK.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Someone was on a charge....

[@jacobclewlow1190]

Hi from South Africa 🇿🇦 huge fan of the channel ! Can’t wait for the Jungle Carbine series’s !

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you! Can't say there will be a "series"... as there is really nothing more left to say about it... maybe some field firing...

[@jacobclewlow1190]

britishmuzzleloaders some Jungle Musketry could be in order ?😁

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

@@jacobclewlow1190 Close Quarters shooting and all that.

[@robbylock1741]

My former US Marine father, who loved Enfields, owned a No 5 that he shot extensively, he's comments were always positive and he never experienced the "wandering zero" issue. In point of fact, his commercial post war M1 carbine had problems holding zero as did his Ruger Mini-14. The Ruger zero issue was resolved by a local gun smith the did some "magic" on the front site, the issues with the M1 disappeared with a replacement back sight.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thanks for sharing!

[@charlesbertram986]

While perhaps a little off-topic, I found it quite interesting to note, in the film clip of the Gordon Highlanders near the end of your treatise, that at least two personnel were carrying Australian Owen Machine Carbines (or Owen guns) while another had a US .30 carbine (couldn't discern whether it was an M1 or M2, though), with a 30 round magazine! I just thought those choices were very interesting for a British unit! Many years ago, I too owned a No 5. Unfortunately, through my own lack of knowledge and understanding, and thus improper cleaning after using corrosive primed ex-military ammunition, I managed to ruin the barrel, so I disposed of the rifle. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa!!! Mine too had a particularly hard rubber recoil pad, which did nothing to reduce apparent recoil and, in my view, only served to concentrate the actual recoil over a much smaller contact area. Mine hurt!!!! Thanks for a most informative video.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Yes, the Owen was used by the British in the Far East as was the M1 Carbine.

[@00Papyrus]

Loved the video man, watching this as Canada Day weekend rolls into town. Men like you keep Canada alive and keep the Caandian spirit strong. Thanks for all your hard work!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Nice! Hope your Canada Day was great!

[@lawrencemartin1113]

What and excellent video! Many Thanks. I love 'carbine' style rifles and have always admired the N0.5. It is interesting to see, through your brilliant editing comparison, the very similar recoil pattern for both rifles, despite having heard about the so called 'vicious' recoil of the shortened and lighter N0. 5. Here in the UK, I own a .308 Howa Alpine Mountain Rifle for woodland stalking and it certainly does jump if used without a moderator. But, I added a home made soft recoil pad which made it also fit me better, and it is really no longer an issue. I had imagined the greatest difficulty of a lighter service rifle with a 'short' barrel in a decent calibre, to be muzzle flip and an inability to acquire a second accurate shot/target quickly. It would seem from your film at least, that with sound and well practised technique, (you shoot really well!) that should not be a problem. Anyway, overall, another excellent film and very enjoyable. Keep up the good work!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it! It is a bit stiffer than the No 4 but not like some sort of crushing uber-kick that internet conjecture has forced upon it.

[@survivalcomms]

Excellent top shelf production ! I have a No.5 but sometime in its life it was put it in a hideous R. Fajen forestock with an ebony tip and a monte carlo buttstock. I have a walnut No.4 woodset I'm going to use to restock it but it has been a back burner project. I hand load .303 and if you have a pet load you are willing to share I am all ears. Thank you for all the work you put in your content and again thanks for sharing !

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

That's too bad! There is a 303 reloading video on the Channel, if you are interested.

[@MrRobot151]

It’s interesting that here in New Zealand a majority of lee Enfields for sail are either no.4s or no.5s

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

They have a certain appeal, for sure.

[@thecelticprince4949]

They were common with our soldiers in PNG, Malaysia, and Borneo, as well as NZ forests. Where they did a lot of pre training before embarking into jungle warfare. Because we also trained The USMC at what is now QE2 Park at Paekakariki. We were also fortunate to gain Garrand? carbines also. ( Excuse the spelling).

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

@@thecelticprince4949 M1 Carbines (not anything to do with the Garand) were indeed used extensively by all involved Commonwealth Armies in the Far East, post war...

[@davidbolton4930]

@@britishmuzzleloaders im sorry to break this to you but us kiwis and the Australians probably stole most of them

[@snook1249]

Another Oscar winning performance by the man of many faces. Bravo

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@Ben_not_10]

I must say I thank you for getting me interested in enfields. When I first started getting into historical firearms, my first experiences were with the m91/30 mosin nagant. Recoil is very harsh (for some reason) with that particular rifle and I didn’t end up spending much time practicing with that rifle as it was rather uncomfortable to shoot from prone. Because of watching your videos I decided to get a no4 mk1 enfield from a local shop and have enjoyed it thoroughly since then. I have on more than one outing gone through an entire case of modern factory 303 and enjoyed every round. I think I’ll go and look for a no. 5 now. With regards from the swamps of Florida

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers! Glad you found something that interested you!

[@zaca952]

Just got a No5 Mk1 and it is a Fazakerley 1/45, it has a walnut stock without nosecap and has a stamped sight, not sure if the stamped sight was original or a replacement, but it's numbered to 800 yards, it's an awesome carbine, by the way great channel! I love the intros!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Congratulations! Fun rifles for sure.

[@88porpoise]

This may be the best intro you have done without potatoes being involved.

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

for now,at least.🧐

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you!

[@candisully8209]

from what have heard...A most UNPLEASANT rifle to shoot...GREAT VIDEO!!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

I'd say that is addressed in the video..

[@trooperburger123]

Video: "A Wondering Hero, More like A Wondering "Zero"...." Me: *While Comforting my No.5 Jungle Carbine* "It's okay boy he didn't mean that your 4-5 MOA grouping is more than acceptable 100 Meters and beyond with MkVII Ball"

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

It's OK,.... He knows that grouping isn't the same as zeroing.... 🙂

[@scroggins100]

Love your work. Really interesting. I fired the MK4 as a Cadet and the No8 then joined up and fired the L39 at Bisley. Later became a Weapons Instructor and Range Officer. I look forward to you branching into the SLR, SMG, LMG and SLP. Please try to ignore the SA80.. I did! In its early version I contend it was the only weapon, fully fitted with bayonet etc, that one could disarm oneself with. Simply wait for the bayonet to fly off and the mag to fall out. Great show please keep it up..

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

In Canada, all those others are essentially not available for doing what I do here on the Channel....

[@misolgit6986]

sorry but every time you do your 'double act' the only thing that escapes the rusty filing cabinet of my brain is... 'We're Thompson and Thompson hallo' and I just sit there sniggering with childish glee, then I rewind and watch properly

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

At least you go back and watch it!... Cheers!

[@Riazor1370]

The other one is Thomson, without p.

[@keithorbell8946]

Thomson and Thompson.

[@sugarnads]

Chortling ey

[@dylanwight5764]

@@keithorbell8946 Let's not forget their offshore Swedish partner, Tomsen.

[@ogilkes1]

My favourite Enfield. Another fine video, thank you.

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

my favourite is the Mark 3,i find it beautifully made,and rugged.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you enjoyed it. Cheers!

[@minuteman4199]

The bayonet looks the same as an FN bayonet. I can't imagine, however that the ring is the same diameter. I have heard somewhere that the reason that "jungle carbine" bayonets are rare is that they were converted for, or reused on FNs. What is the hat you are wearing at the 2:00 min mark, and where did you get it?

[@nialltomy15]

The no. 5 bayonet is not interchangeable with the SLR, although the they are very similar, the SLR bayonet having a smaller ring diameter. Interestingly the no. 5 bayonet is interchangeable with the Sterling SMG. I suspect the reason the no. 5 bayonet (as well as the Sterling bayonet) is so scarce, is because they simply were not made in significant numbers to begin with, and even less survive.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

It's similar, but not the same. The ring is much bigger...

[@p03saucez]

Great video! I love my No 5 MK I. It's miraculously 100% matching and seems to have spent more time sitting in armory than being fired.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Nice!

[@jarvy251]

You got me good with that wandering zero bit, haha

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

😁

[@bashfull30]

FWIW. I grew up shooting the no. 4. It hurt. It really, really hurt my 13 year old shoulder. It bruised me, left me with marks that lasted a week, and taught me how to accept recoil and not flinch when shooting. Fast foreard thirty years, and I get to shoot the no. 4 again. But this time with S & B ammo instead of WW2 surplus. The kick was less than a remembered, and it left no marks or bruising at all. Cheers, and that was a great vid.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Big difference between 13yrs and adulthood... 🙂

[@bashfull30]

@@britishmuzzleloaders I know. But it just didn't seem to have the same oooomph (not sure if that's the correct unit but of measure). Thanks for the reply and the great vid. Cheers

[@TheMwarrior50]

"Uploaded 31 seconds ago" well thats a new record

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Well done!

[@christophero55]

What a great video! I didn't expect as much time to be invested in the history of the rifle. I very much enjoyed that, thank you!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers!

[@Mike_858]

Dammit, it took me at least 30 seconds to get the ''Wandering hero'' joke! Must be the lighting cuts in my brain.

[@509Gman]

Michael A. Well thanks for commenting, cuz I gave it no notice until now.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Well played!...

[@mikehoare1338]

Rob, you nailed it again ! Exactly my experiences with both rifles. SLR next ?

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Not available for use in Canada! Sadly..

[@mikehoare1338]

@@britishmuzzleloaders If you are willing to come over the pond I will arrange something

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

@@mikehoare1338 Thank you!

[@ReconstructedYankee1882]

Rule Britannia Britannia rule the waves Britons Never never never shall be slaves

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

for the king,lads,for the king.🇬🇧

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

So you sing, do you?

[@ReconstructedYankee1882]

@@britishmuzzleloaders yes

[@mag318]

Great video and the absolute best one I have seen on the No5 MkI, my favorite rifle of the series.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you!

[@9inchpp]

>jungle carbine he said During communist insurgency in malaya they(as in plantation owners and the special constables) were trading their jungle carbines and stens with american M1 carbine. Easier to handle compared to them jungle carbines and much better built than the stens

[@JohnyG29]

Do you have links to any research/testimony on this, or are you making it all up?

[@zoiders]

No they didn't "trade". The M1 carbines were lend/lease weapons from WW2 that were passed on to the Colonial Police service and also the RUC so they were official issue weapons. Civvies were not given them unless they them self were also involved with the local constabulary . All sorts of rifles were issued to plantation owners. For close range work there is precisely nothing wrong with the No 5.

[@9inchpp]

@@zoiders The word "trading in" is better imo.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

M1s were common in the Far East, indeed.

[@adriandebeckelar2921]

im spanish and this is the best content i never see of old firearms thanks mackenzy

[@maximilianolimamoreira5002]

agreed,my Hispanic brother,greetings from Brazil

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you!

[@jondavidmcnabb]

Excellent work and video! I love my #4 and have owned it since 1994.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Nice!

[@larrythompson5617]

I wondered what I was watching when the video started but as it progressed I really enjoyed it. Looking forward to getting my Carbine out of moth balls this summer where it has been stored for 45 yrs........ Shot my first deer with it when I was 17 then put it away.....

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Wow! It'll be happy to get out and stretch it's legs then!

[@skipmaloney178]

Once again, thank you for your hard work and great presentation.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

You are most welcome!

[@noelmajers6369]

Outstanding feature - the best I have yet seen on this fascinating rifle, together with its predecessor.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you!

[@jcastle614]

Ahh! The holy grail of Enfields. Always looking to pick one up, for the collection, among other models as well. Looking forward to seeing your next video sir. This one was a pleasant surprise 😁! Made my day a little brighter. Stay safe and God bless 🇺🇸☠️🇺🇸🇨🇦🇬🇧💂

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you!

[@glenjohnson9302]

Growing up on the farm we had one. Nice weapon. I took my first dear with it when I was about 11 years old. Never got much into hunting but I did love that weapon.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Nice!

[@ES90344]

Revisiting this one as I just acquired a 12/44 No5 with FMP markings.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Cheers! Congratulations!

[@mascasa7502]

I really enjoyed this video. Explanation was top notch. Now I'm looking for a No. 5!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad to hear! Good luck!

[@FrontSideBus]

That rapid fire with the hand on the bolt really does look very slick!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Late war close quarter shooting technique.

[@NEVERMAKESVIDEOS3V3R]

Great video! Glad to see a direct comparison. I have an Ishipore number 5 arriving tomorrow and have been researching this weapon obsessively, and I've found an interesting bit of information. You mention the "savage recoil" near the end of the video. I had seen others mention hard hitting recoil in other forums. But it reminded me of another tidbit I saw: the issue of the "wandering zero". An issue that apparently plagued this rifle but has not been able to be reproduced. It could be that the "wandering zero" and "savage recoil" were both parts of a campaign to push the rifle into early obsolescence, given that British military decision makers after WW2 were pushing for the development of a native automatic battle rifle - what became the L1A1. Not my theory, but thought I'd share!

[@NEVERMAKESVIDEOS3V3R]

*note, I wrote this comment literally 15 seconds before you brought up the wandering zero 😂

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers!

[@chrisabraham8793]

I had No5 in 7.62, great rifle kicked no harder than a No 4. Again great well done video.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Mileage may vary!

[@shaul76239]

Ha ! My 2nd centre fire was a Jungle Carbine , used to shoots goats with it. It was light , user friendly , and fast shooting . The rear peep sight is perfect for quick target acquisition in the close low light environment of a forest . Running goats were a since with the front protective "ears " making an excellent target frame. My favorite of the Enfield bolt action series.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Nice!

[@andydavies9325]

Really interesting, my father was in the 5th Parachute Brigade and was part of the advanced party sent to India. I can remember him telling me about the new rifle issued to them as he pointed it out in the museum, as I remember we were at Aldershot for a reunion in the mid 70's. He also told me that the Japanese Army was employed to help stabilise the area when they landed in Java. Although this is well documented.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Great stuff! Thanks for sharing! Cool to hear of someone who was actually part of what is talked about in the video!

[@louislarose6613]

A very good video Sir ! If you do a complete take down of the number 5 ,You will note that many of the screws including the main butt stock screw have had their cores hollowed out. My first centerfire rifle was a Number 5, that I bought as a young teenager in 1968 in a Woolco department store in Coquitlam B.C.Canada for 32 dollars. As an adult now living in the North ,I harvested a Bull Moose at 265 yards. I used the old imperial 180 grain nylon tip ammunition. The two bullets that I fired entered the Bull's chest 4 inches apart and we found the two bullets fused together in the hide on the far side. The bull took one step forward and fell over stone dead. I have owned other number 5's ,but that first one stays in the safe now.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Nice!

[@daven953]

Great video. The kit adds to the ambience of your task, nicely. Thanks. I have a no1. Sport no4 and a no4 that was in Korea with a Canadian soldier. I also just came across a no5 that looks pristine condition. The previous owner is trying to find the bolt and magazine for it. Otherwise i will have to find replacement parts. Just subscribed.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Nice! Thank you for subbing!

[@MarvelousSeven]

Great video my man. This is exactly what I was looking for.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@foxnoodles2458]

What an absolutely fantastic video. I just picked mine up for $500.00 and it's in beautiful shape.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers!

[@charliesaussieadventures5421]

Great video, however my father was a Chindit in Burma and he told me that they used a Lee Enfield jungle carbine rifle, can't imagine he was wrong. Anyway keep up the great work.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you. I saw your post on the FB page and replied there. Something isn't matching up...

[@willpenny1688]

My No. 5 and I much enjoyed the wandering zero joke. Great episode. Thanks much.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@mikecroezen]

Another great video.....Entertaining and really informative. Now to grab my Enfields and get out shooting. Thank you for video!!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you!

[@matthewmoss1589]

Excellent video mate! I had been 'wandering' about that zero. ;) I have recent photos of the lightened Canadian Lee-Enfield, if you need them for future videos.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

That's great Matt. I'll keep that in mind, for sure!

[@Thetasigmaalpha]

Here’s me thinking about ‘It ain’t half hot mum’ all day . And you make video about the Jungle Carbine. Top marks sir.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Thank you, lovely boy.

[@mpersad]

Another wonderful video, particularly the history, and inclusion of the RAF March in the background music!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@camerondunn6258]

Thanks for another great video. Hoping you are keeping well during these interesting, interesting times!!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

All OK here! Cheers!

[@WayneLeMaster]

Got "The Lee Enfield" by Ian Skennerton, even sent him an email to track a copy down, but still love to watch these videos.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Good book!

[@hosedragger-204]

Thank you for doing a video with the No. 5!!!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

You are welcome.

[@xeverettx2564]

Very cool gun. Wasn’t super familiar with this firearm which I find strange given my love of rifles from the intro of the self contained cartridge and bolt actions through the first half of the 20th century. None the less I’m glad I came across your video. I always enjoy your content because you are very knowledgeable and thorough, and nerds like me appreciate that because we wanna know every detail down to the thread pitch of a screw hahaha. This would be a great “brush gun” as we call them here in the states. It’s a nice powerful .30cal round in a short handy package making it ideal for hogs and wooded area dear. I have a Winchester model 94 .30-.30 which is a lever gun similar in size and I’ve always said man I’d like to get a powerful carbine in bolt action. I love the M14 but we can’t use autoloaders for dear so the No.5 would be the perfect gun to fill the roll of what I’m looking for (as far as pre 1950 rifles go). Short, handy, bolt, low felt recoil, and a honkin 303 round that’ll bush through brush with plenty of speed, knock down, and most importantly little to no bullet deflection. Which is absolutely key in a brush gun. Even more so than actual length of the rifle. I’m saying all of this because I hunt in Pennsylvania and I’m not sure if whoever may be reading this knows what that’s like. If you live where I’m from in the state every hunter has a brush gun in their collection because more times than not it’s needed over say a fully scoped bolt action 30-06, 270, 300 win mag, or a gun of that nature. So if anyone has any input on this pros and cons alike, experiences, anecdotes, etc. it would be greatly appreciated if you could share them! Thank you so much in advanced! Also again big thank you to @britishmuzzleloaders for the great video!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

They certainly have their advantages! Cheers!

[@oncall21]

Today teh No 5 commands a premium price if in original and excellent condition. a great review and comparison. Stock standard in Australia the No 5 was used ex milsurp as the perfect pig and deer rifle. Thanks for sharing!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

There are a bit of a darling in the community, yes... 🙂

[@thomasbaughman9941]

Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. Bravo sir. Respect to one of the greatest comedic performances of all time.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Haha!

[@2009Berghof]

Yes, they did make the #5 during the war. Mine is dated 11/44, but you will find most of them are dated postwar. I believe they were first issued to the 6th & 1st British Airborne Divisions. Two full divisions of rifles is quite a lot of rifles and it would seem that issuing a lighter rifle to airborne troops makes a bit of sense. The very first photos that I have found with soldiers armed with the carbine are when these two divisions went into Norway and Denmark at the very end of the ETO war. I'll go out on a limb-perhaps these carbines were issued following the Rhine Crossing? The official history book of the 6th Airborne Div. "GO FOR IT", shows the first #5 carbine when the division was in Asia now wearing jungle kit-1945-the war is over. In the MARSHAL CAVENDISH ENCYCLOPEDIA OF WWII, there is a photo of a rifleman holding a .303 rifle that one may, at first, think its a Jungle Carbine as the fore stock is short. It is not! It is a cut-down No. 4 rifle, So the idea of making the rifle a bit handier may well have originated in the bush of Southeast Asia. I believe Mandalay was where the color photo was taken.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Not quite sure of what you are getting at Terry, but most, if not all, of this is covered in the video, yes.