The MONSTER CNC ROUTER Part2

[@manicrally1839]

I just wanted to say. I’ve watched all your vids multiple times and read through the comments/ your reply’s so many times. Thank you so much for taking the time to share so much information; I personally have learned SO MUCH about all facets of CNC routers in the past 2 years in no small part to your videos and comments. (Loved the polycarbonate back side chamfer jigs!) I started with a small CNC hobby router and with any luck will be converting a 2000’s AXYZ 6010 2000x3000 to Centroid Acorn with 4 Clearpath servos. Again thank you. And I’ve watched this vid multiple times as I just LOVE that Kimla and great tune! :D lol Can’t wait for your next update!

[@randomrouting]

Woah, wasnt expecting that at all. Thanks you made my day! You should share your journey converting the AXYZ :)

[@manicrally1839]

I’m planning on documenting the conversion! I’ve taken footage for half a dozen projects over the past couple years but just never get around to editing it or missing large chunks of a process because a battery ran out or poor filming. Lol. Gonna try and get the whole process of conversion in for others coming in from the outside looking for a start to finish how to. How is your workflow going with the double station Kimla? Is the cutting at one station while cleaning / set-up at the other working out? Also; back in a video with the MG you mentioned with the crown forge bits you could route aluminum with only an air blast (with reduced cutter life) . I wanna start processing 3mil 5052 aluminum with A 3mil mill and no coolant (fumes :/ ) Do you think this is possible or just not gonna happen? This would be processing whole 1200 x 2400 sheets Watching you cut aluminum the last couple years, you make it look like a hot knife through butter! ;)

[@randomrouting]

@@manicrally1839 Hey! I have accually not run the Kimla with the two stations at the same time yet xD. But it should work just fine, ive used both I just havent used them back to back. Im so happy the machine is the full 6.1 meters because of the amount of 6 meter alu extrusions ive been cutting. The cost per "extra" meter of machine was something like 4500€. (back then anyway) Which is a reaaaally good deal. Yes you will be able to cut 5052 dry with nice DLC coated tools. You want low friction. And then you want a high chipload for a couple reasons. To have the heat transfered to the chip and away from the tool (tho not really a problem cutting alu with carbide)and taking fewer but bigger cuts will make the edge last longer. Unsure if you will keep running dry forever tho or eventually using coolant. Not sure exacly how big the difference is in tool life. There has been missconceptions about what coolant accually does for the cutter. Some say it cools, some say it lubricates. What ethnaol _accually_ does is oxidize the aluminium in the cut and that makes it harder. Harder aluminium cuts much better than soft, wont gum up and much better finishes. I'll definately follow your journey converting the axys :) That stuff is always interesting.

[@manicrally1839]

Thank you for the feedback and info. Wasn’t aware it was hardening the aluminum (along with cooling and reduced chip sticking I’m sure to some degree) Hopefully not long term without coolant. Getting a product off the ground and trying to keep my current small shop as healthy as possible. I’ll try some runs on the coated bits you suggested. The runs on those extrusions with the 6 meter deck are crazy cool! Thanks for taking time out from filling the chip bin ;)

[@randomrouting]

@@manicrally1839 Yes its also cooling, and harder alu chips wont stick as easy :) There is a somewhat recent paper on the phenomenon of using alcohols (and other products like sharpies) on aluminium. Google "sharpie aluminium cutting" and u'll probably find it. Very interesting read, the reduction in friction of just drawing on the alu with a pen is crazy.

[@BuildItAnyway]

Now this is what I call a router!

[@randomrouting]

Its so lovely!

[@bgl00017]

Can't wheit part 3 😉😉

[@berendlucasvanderweide]

AARRHHH! Finally!!! I was looking at your channel every day to see any progress was being made with this huge mofo. Very good idea for routing that suction hose! Clean install! in my search for a proper dust extraction, I started to become a huge fan of relative small diameter hoses and high speed air. The finishing details on the machine are incredible! the part where you show with your hand how large the bolts are on the bridge, it's all pretty perfect in my book. No idea how the machine measures, but these details do give confidence for sure. I have pics of my son in about that pose standing on the machine.. Robovac got a nice new home.

[@randomrouting]

;D Yeah im happy so far with the extraction, I might put some more stainless steel tubing where appriopriate, just so Ive got as little hose as possible. The hose is 100mm the first section next to the spindle and the rest is 3"/75mm. Everything about the machine gives the impression of quality, its truely an "HIGH END" machine. The fit and finish is superb! It sets the bar for everything else so thats why I couldnt had done the rack for the vpumps/spindle cooler any less, it looks like it was supplied with the machine! The floor,chipcontainer,rack,materialstorage along the wall its all same RAL colors as the Kimla 👍 You should post that update vid btw ;)

[@berendlucasvanderweide]

@@randomrouting Agreed, that pump rack is a very nice touch! It completes the set. How do you like it in use? Has the software a steep learning-curve or is it relative intuitive? It is a statement for quality. These hinge points they welded to lift the machine, everything seems so well thought through. This is next level machine building. That mount for the monitor arm, there are so many details to like.

[@randomrouting]

@@berendlucasvanderweide I'll have to get back to you about the software, that job in the video is litterally the only job i have done on it. I did ofcourse get some training last weekend so ive seen the things it can do but I'll have to use it. Its fast and easy to do simple stuff, that i know. Its similar to vcarve/aspire in a few ways, can handle 3d but mainly ment for 2d programming. I was happy to see that the cad/cam/cnccontrol integration ment that it could do some cool stuff like placing markers in cad and referencing them in cam. There SO much in the software its going to take some time to find and try it all. It does not use renishaw standard probing macros so fusion 360 wont be able to put out inspection probing routines ect BUT you can easily make changes and add featues to imported gcode like activation of vacuum zones or referencing probing data. Pretty cool stuff!

[@berendlucasvanderweide]

​@@randomrouting I expected it to be more 2d than advanced 3d, it's hard to combine that into a controller, judging all the variables you have to choose from. I expect you knew this; check to see if it is compatible with dprnt, i know HAAS and some other fanuc compatible controllers can push their probing data through the dprnt protocol, perhaps you can do use measurements that way.

[@randomrouting]

@@berendlucasvanderweide Thanks, ill check it out!

[@kevinwillis6707]

what a beast!

[@randomrouting]

Indeed! 😊

[@jimbit22]

Nice machine. Very good attention to detail. Can you include the cabinet, servo drives and the controller in your next video?

[@randomrouting]

Absolutely. Tho its all their (Kimlas) own stuff. They make all of it. EDIT: Btw, at the end of this video I take a (really quick) video of the cabinet in a Brother Speedio. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eX7NmWd_d7ShZs0 Too quick to really say much but.. Linuxbased controller and Sanyodenki Sanmotion Ethercat spindle and servo drivers. I remember beeing surprised bout how small the servo motors were, something like 750/1000w. That thing moves.

[@jimbit22]

@@randomrouting that's what I thought.. Wanted to see the ethercat master device.

[@Petrikfik]

Hi. What is your experience with the Kimla machine after half a year? I have similar size of workshop and I looking for high end CNC router. I have quotation from them. The price is high end, too :-) Can you recommend Kimla? Do you have some plan to make a new video?

[@randomrouting]

yeah I have been meaning to post the next video and i have bunch of clips but the usual work/life gets in the way :) Its coming soon tho. There is alot to talk about and to consider when buying a new machine but the short answer is yes, I would recommend Kimla and yes I would buy it again.

[@Petrikfik]

@@randomrouting 96 / 5 000 Výsledky prekladov I see. I'm looking forward to the next video. Thank you for your reply and I wish you good health ;)

[@randomrouting]

@@Petrikfik Thanks, you too. And If your Kimla salesman is Jakub Jarzabek then tell him i said Hi. :D He is a great guy.

[@Tedlasman]

How much did the machine end up costing you?

[@randomrouting]

150k eur, tho this was (october 2020) back before material shortages and inflation got out of hand. really good deal if you ask me. Not much(nothing) that can compete for this caliber machine at that price.

[@Tedlasman]

@@randomrouting thank you!

[@GoldDiggerth]

Looking good, I'm now excited to see the next videos with it. Did they make their own custom cnc software?

[@randomrouting]

Yes they accually started out as a cnc software retrofitting company that then grew into what it is today. They have lasers,watercutter,routers,vmcs and all use their "pccam" software, and I like that since I get some otherwise vmc-specific features as a router user.