The Monster Hunter 5th Fleet RUINED the Hunter's Choice poll? |

[@HunterGendo]

Without yet seeing the video, it's on capcoms head for not making the older games more accessible to the masses. That being said, some of the older/one off monsters placed higher than I could ever have imagined

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Fascinating thoughts, and I’m actually glad you shared them before the video’s release! Hold that thought, we’ll be discussing in chat while the video airs!

[@jockpackage1770]

i've been suggesting, for a while now, that they could use their increased resources to form a 3rd main line Monster Hunter team. this new team's responsibility, depending on scope of the project, could be remasters or even remakes of the older games. either simple game preservation and letting more hunter play the old games or even meld the aspects that made those games unique with some of the quality of life we have now. not all of it but some.

[@SwaxGuy]

Laggy

[@iqbalrahman2911]

Agree with this, Porting the old game for the newer console and devices would be awesome!! After knowing the game, now i do kinda want to try the old game, but emulating and somehow gaining the ROM (legally ofc) is just too much hassle for me and maybe other, not to mention the 'clunky'-ness from the old gen game, I guess it gave their own charm, but for the modern audiences maybe it became a thing that scare Fifth gen player. I'm myself is a Fiverr, and i'm glad World and Rise introduced me to this franchise, with that just prove that Monster Hunter is becoming popular and slowly not becoming niche game the old gen have.

[@hoanghung5542]

@@iqbalrahman2911 yea, i mean like World is the first game in the series that really expand upon their old formula and also make for wider audiences. It's good but still have its flaw because it's the first time devs really want to change the series. It's took them 11 years to expand the series outside Japan ,and it's only 6 years when they first release the game that change the series(World). Monster hunter still have bunch of times to remake those old monsters into newer games so let see what they will give us in Wilds.

[@SleepyPaku]

I feel like ruin is a very strong word especially if you go further in the list a lot of monsters that are higher up the list that haven’t been in a game in years

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Exactly! This is a great mention and observation to make. I personally don't feel it's fair to blame the 5th Fleet for the results when they, like us, voted with their hearts, you know?

[@MouseKeyboardPlayer]

Mom! I'm in Coyote's video!

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Bahaha, YOU MADE IT!

[@Viper-Zealot]

I love how when world players became a part of the 5th fleet people immediately started hating on them for being new to the series and not understanding the game mechanics even though it's not their fault for not understanding a brand new game exceptionally a monster hunter game which is one of the most complex games to start fresh with. like what did you expect? For them to immediately become an expert on it? Lol Watch the cycle continue with people that started the 6th gen first ever time their playing a monster hunter game and people start ridiculing them for not understanding it.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Everyone’s gotta start somewhere, and it’s so important that we set the example properly, by living it ourselves. Fifth Fleet, Sixth Fleet, or any of the OGs… we all learned the ropes at one point. Just because they haven’t been around as long doesn’t make the 5th Fleet any less valid or capable.

[@Viper-Zealot]

Absolutely 100% Also while you're here I have a question. after they finish with the Hunter's choice theme music do you think they'll do another Hunter's choice? And if so, which one of these do you think they'll make a popularity poll for? Favourite weapon? Favourite location? Favourite NPC? Favourite armour Design? Favourite weapon Design?

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@Viper-Zealot probably Favorite Village or Favorite Weapon, I’d imagine! Considering they’re looking to keep momentum ramped up for Wilds? I would be surprised if they DIDN’T have more polls throughout the year!

[@Viper-Zealot]

Yeah that is true i would definitely be shocked if they suddenly stopped doing them after this one. You know what out of the blue but I really want them to release generations ultimate to consoles it's weird how that game is only playable on the Nintendo switch.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@Viper-Zealot they ported Rise to PC, and then now a 3DS Game (Stories) is also getting ported. I really hope we see Generations get the same treatment!

[@amandawilliams9565]

It not even the 5th Fleet fault sorry if late. I believe Capcom should’ve brought back the old Mainline Series, the Spin Offs and so on. How can anyone vote if they ever played the games before. I would like to see these games come back.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Your comment is absolutely welcome here! One of the repeated themes that came through the comments was the inaccessibility to play the earlier games, which is honestly a valid point. I would love to see Capcom release a "Monster Hunter Collection" or something similar, where people can experience earlier Monster Hunter games on modern systems!

[@amandawilliams9565]

Mostly I want to see Monster Hunter Frontier and Online to come back. You get an understanding of it watching a video on it. But it way different when you experience it yourself and I'm really hope Capcom understands that one of these days. If they can bring back the some of series of resident evil remastered they can sure do it with Monster Hunter.

[@MeekCrayon]

I have to say, you handled a touchy subject in a great way. Props to ya man 😎 I will say for me personally, as a fifth fleeter I can definitely see my own biases come up. My love of Viper Tobi Kadachi and Odagaron was based on my experiences with them... Stygian Zinogre is in my top three simply because of how many times I had to fight him in order to defeat him. And when you realize that every hunter has his or her story, every hunter has their own favorites, its really cool to see that. Even though our favorite may not have made the top spot, a lot of people's did. And that awesome. So here's to many more favorites to come. 5th Fleet signing off. Happy Hunting!

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I greatly respect someone who can recognize their own biases, and to recognize that it does color how we perceive the world around us. To admit this takes courage, and that’s more than even some OG Hunters can say. Proud of you for coming forward like this. By what I’ve gotten to know of you, you’re the type of Hunter I’d stake my life on in the fray. Together, we elevate one another, and together we rise to the top. Glad to have Hunters like you to greet the Sixth Fleet when they arrive!

[@MeekCrayon]

@CoyoteWildfire Thank you for that, I honestly don't know what to say 😅. But I truly appreciate the compliment. That being said, with Content creators like you, Ruri and Gaijin, we have all we need to prepare the next generation of Hunter's 🫡🥲 keep up the good work

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@MeekCrayon even though I interviewed Ruri, to be associated with the likes of him and Gaijin? Is a monstrous compliment. Thank you so much for that.

[@mechadebzilla]

It's why I am subbed.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@mechadebzilla honestly, that's such a humbling compliment. Thank you for finding value in what I do!

[@DDViking]

As a first fleeter started with Freedom 1, i am so happy to see my favorite series of games evolve and grown up. I prayed everyday back in the day that more people would try out Monster Hunter, and now that Monster Hunter is way more popular I couldn’t be more happy!

[@CoyoteWildfire]

This is great to hear, coming from the First Fleet. I agree, the greater community as a whole has grown so much, and it's a good thing to have more people to share in our love of Monster Hunter with!

[@DDViking]

@@CoyoteWildfire Thank you. We old hunters should set an example for newer players and encourage them to get into this Amazing series. Instead of gatekeeping and talking down to them!

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@DDViking so. much. this. These are *exactly* the sentiments I was hoping to communicate to Monster Hunter community members.

[@mechadebzilla]

I been playing since MHFreedom. I love all the games, all the "fleets" and all the monsters. Especially, i love the palicos. I also love my fellow hunters too.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

This is such a good take though. I love the fact that you appreciate all hunters, without regards to "when" they got into the series. None of the hipster "I was a fan before it was popular" nonsense.

[@loneshooter7286]

I, as an 5th fleeter. Would love to play some of the older games, but I can't. I have an ps5 and xbox series s. They are not offering up the older games. I do own worlds and rise on both consoles and to be honest I need more. I've pre-order stories 2 on the ps5. But I need more of the world and rise style. So I will be getting wilds day one. But I've been wanting to play generations

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I feel this! A lot of folks mentioned how inaccessible the earlier games are, since they haven't been re-released. I hope Capcom does a Monster Hunter Collection for Steam or PS5 / Xbox, because there's such a huge library of amazing games to experience!

[@Spinexus]

World sold 20million copies. The best selling MH game before that was 5mil (i think). Which means 75% of all voters started with world (probably not because older fans are typically more invested). Also of the top 3 only 1 is even from world. On top of that Nergigante is by far the best flagship the series has so far. In my opinion the MH team just makes every single new game the best in the series. Honestly i was surprised Nergi didn´t win outright.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Great thoughts here, and I definitely feel that the explanation helps illustrate WHY the results came to be the way they were. With that in mind, I'm absolutely hyped about Wilds, and I think it'll blow the lid off even World!

[@Spinexus]

@@CoyoteWildfire I hope so. Tho they say that your first game is the most impactful!

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@Spinexus very true. And that's where some of that bias is derived from. Absolutely no shade for anyone acting on that. Everyone has a voice and those votes deserved to be heard. :D

[@Albert_Lecter03]

Yet to finish the vid but man still found it hilarious that not only did Athal Ka’s Caterpillar make it to the votes it actually beat a huge majority of monsters, or how Lagi just becoming John Monster Hunter the Third by hitting 3rd place. Still kinda wild how Dodo and Khezu are right beside a wild line up of Gogmazios, Dalamadur and Amatsu, also lesgo for Yama Tsukami making it so far into the poll. Also rip steel uraagan bludd’s armor carried my gunlance playthrough in MH3U

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Yeah, why is Ahtal-Ka’s MACHINE so high??? LOLLL. The ratings were strange… where flagship elder dragons were right next to some really basic monsters. Still, I’m glad we had the chance at the poll like this. It was good to have the community speak up.

[@lrpearlbooks]

Another amazing video, Coyote! I enjoyed hanging out live during the premier too! :D

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Thanks so much for being there! Had a blast with y'all!

[@lrpearlbooks]

@@CoyoteWildfire me too!!!

[@Sunaki1000]

No its not ruined, such Countests allways get wacky. And recency Bias, or Nostalgia allways creates weird Choices. If the List was lower then 229 Choices a Ranking would have been a fairer way of judging what Monster is truely the Favorite. And because some Monster have 3, or 4 Variations, Rathalos even 5, some Monster are just naturally nerved. I guess a better Compromise sould have been everyone choosing his Top 10, or everyone beeing able to rate Monster by Points, but only as many as they want. Rise, and World are part of the Franchise, so there sould be able to win Spots like any Entry, not just the slower, conservative ones.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Yeah, I think the variants definitely muddied the waters some… I would have liked at least a top-3 pick, and perhaps a consolidation of species (where variants all counted together).

[@0rdanri_Feelis_caatus]

There is a degree of bais towards more recent monsters, but it's easy to understand why. Most of the fifth gen hunters don't play the older games. Aside from maybe GU. Don't blame them tho. How many people do you know own a 3ds or a PSP anymore? How many people even CAN play these games? AND the fact some of these games like Dos and MHP3rd were never made available to the western side of the audience :( Not that it matters too much anyway, most people primarily fall in love with monsters from the gen they started with. (Not everyone, but most) Like me with fourth gen monsters. So even if they did play the past games, I think they'd still end up bumping up tons of fifth gen monster numbers anyway. I think we should just encourage the MH team to add in some of the more forgotten monsters into the newer gens. That way New players can experience them as we did :) Plus it'd be cool to see more return with a fresh coat of paint and an expanded move set anyway. :D

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I still have my 3DS and my PSP for what it’s worth, and Portable 3rd was my first Monster Hunter no less! But most people weren’t going to import a game outside their own language, and you’re right that it wasn’t easily accessible to Western audiences. Ahhh… Yukumo… But I like what you said about encouraging the team to add older monsters… I think both Lagi and Abyssal in the top 20 was a pretty clear message to Capcom, as to where a very vocal portion of the fan base is coming from. :)

[@BohrokKiller]

My first Monster Hunter game was World and I've fallen in love with the franchise. I would love to play the earlier games, but I only have a pc so Im sadly not able to.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I respect that, and you're right to mention that the 5th Gen was much easier to come by. It was a worldwide release, and spanning all current-gen gaming platforms: PC, Xbox, PlayStation, and Switch. If you're not interested in emulating, I couldn't fault you for that, although there are gameplay videos all over KZbin if you're interested!

[@BohrokKiller]

@@CoyoteWildfire Yeah, I have watched so many videos of the older games. Most of my favorite monsters in the franchise are from the older games. I hope one day Capcom re-release them on pc. I would buy them in a heartbeat.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@BohrokKiller as a Third Fleeter, this makes me immensely proud. Glad to share this space with you Hunter!

[@BohrokKiller]

@@CoyoteWildfire Likewise! :D

[@bluuangel004]

"Did the 5th fleet/gen ruin the poll?" Hell no. Just look at the distribution of monsters from 1st place to 229nth. Some non-5th gen monsters are on top in the same way that some 5th gen monsters are at the lower end. It just boils down to the monster that you like/love, regardless of when they first got introduced. Just to give an example, look at how Queen Vespoid ranked vs the majority of monsters beneath it. For context, I started with Freedom 2 on the PSP and I voted for Zinogre for both the monster and the theme. And guess what? It was always awesome since 3rd gen. Its best theme, at least for me and majority of the comments I see online, is the one from 3rd portable/3U and not the one in gen 5. Btw, great video! Felt very calm and collected. Let's all see each other in Wilds!

[@CoyoteWildfire]

First off, thank you for the nod of approval and kind words! Second, I absolutely agree--there was a variety to the spread of monsters overall. And there was definitely representation of Monsters that weren't featured in the 5th gen, as well as Monsters that *were* in the 5th gen, but introduced in an earlier entry. Some others have mentioned how the equipment / skills on the set / aesthetic could also have an impact--not just the monster itself. Looking forward to seeing you in Wilds!

[@ghostshrimp5006]

I think we need to keep in mind that the armor, weapons and how good are they are for mid maxing and speed running, stuff like this will make or break it for dedicated players

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Right, I do think there will be quite a bit depth to the crafting / upgrade system. I’m willing to bet decorations will change a bit too, and I love skills on weapons and armor as well. So maybe it’s with the love of those mechanics in mind that influenced votes as well?

[@ghostshrimp5006]

@@CoyoteWildfire From what i gathered the ones at the top either have the most memorable armor or the best weapons, anything past the 90th mark starts falling into just monster preference

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@ghostshrimp5006 yeah, that's fair! I definitely didn't consider how armor aesthetic and functionality could have had an impact too!

[@ghostshrimp5006]

@@CoyoteWildfire There’s other things to consider as well, the lack of accessibility to older games, what region the player is from can greatly affect which monster they gravitate to, whether or not they reached high rank and G rank, do they focus on the lore or ecology? But of course, the most important detail is are they on the front cover, because very clear that almost every single monster in the highest ranking, is a flagship monster

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@ghostshrimp5006 great mentions here too! The lack of accessibility of older games (not ease of play, but rather the difficulty to OBTAIN them), is also a factor that Fivers have been mentioning. I would LOVE to see Capcom come out with a Monster Hunter collection with the first four games in a bundle! :O

[@bleetzblitz]

fifth fleeter here, so glad nergi won 2nd place but my boy brachy fr got shafted. also shara should of been WAY higher that fight is an absolute spectacle

[@CoyoteWildfire]

As a Third Fleeter, I was SO happy to see Zinny and Stygian, honestly. But I LOVED Shara. Honestly thought it was one of the coolest designs in World... And Brachydios... haha, ohhh how much I hated Brachydios. But as a design, he's awesome.

[@tritonyt2644]

As a fifth fleeter I've actually gone back and played through to Highrank in 4U and I've got about 50 hours in GU and just got to Highrank Hub I really hope we can get 3 and 4u on the switch

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I love this so much! This is awesome to hear and I'm honestly thrilled that you've wanted to experience more of the Monster Hunter series, as a Fiver!

[@Ender_Queen09]

I only knew about monster hunter after world, I would love to play the older games but they either need emulation or the old hardware, I like seeing the older monsters because I’d like to play those older games too, And I imagine alot of other people who started in the 5th gen would feel the same, It’s just capcom hasn’t ported any of these games

[@wits_end.]

You can easily play traditional monster hunter if you have a Switch. MHGenerations is perfect for it. It has the most monsters with many ways to play each weapon.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

You're right that they haven't, and both World and Rise were FAR more accessible with their Worldwide, and platform-agnostic, releases. The fifth gen spans Xbox, PC, Playstation, AND Switch, which made it far easier to reach a greater audience. I can understand some reluctance in emulation, though... Maybe in continued celebration for the 20th Anniversary, we might get a Monster Hunter collection on modern consoles? That would be so much fun!

[@HitsuruKun]

As a 5th fleet player, I have some concerns about the future of the series. Word was my 1st game in MH, but in between World and Rise, I played 4U, 3U, GU, FU and the love to this series was grouwing up in each new game, I dive into it with soul and heart, Rise was a great time as well. Why I tell you all this, because I see the 5th gen toxicity rise up side by side with the sells "Nobody cares past MH, booring!!", not all newcomer of course. They think world should be the standart for the whole future of this franchise, even rise take a bit of this hate. The solution of all this?? I dont know, but have skyjigh expectation on Wilds, the series will push foward, hope they dont forget your roots.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I think that a natural symptom of a series as it evolved and progresses, things that are “original” will organically fade with time. But what I don’t enjoy seeing is gatekeeping one way or the other. There’s still a lot of history to enjoy, and on the other hand, the new will serve to advance that history forward. It’s a symbiotic relationship, but I feel that divisive opinions and preferences really serve to simply prevent people from enjoying things together. I hear you on your expectations, and while I recognize that I have a more optimistic outlook, I truly hope Wilds really defies your expectations in the best of ways!

[@HitsuruKun]

@@CoyoteWildfire Agree!!! I don cleared the things well, let me retry... I love MH as a whole, every game, has your charm, your taste, my fear rather about Capcom being greed with the Wilds, the CEO statement about the game prices and game business, make my alarm goes wild you know. I love the vision of bring more life and biologic science to the MH flow, as they showed up on 1st trailer, hope they bring back all the color, magic and all little "japanese" touch, witch is kinda missing in world!!

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@HitsuruKun yeah, I like where you're going with this. I think that bringing back some of the beats from earlier games in Wilds can really help keep the spirit of earlier Monster Hunter alive, all while balancing evolution and innovation. I think Capcom has their heart in the right place, and I hope to be wowed when Wilds releases!

[@HitsuruKun]

@@CoyoteWildfire Lets hope for the best!! Cant wait to see more and play this game broo!! If the game goes to World with all the classic japanese saturated colors... I will cry in joy tears!! Happy Hunt Coyote, see you in the hub!!!

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@HitsuruKun right back at you Hitsuru!

[@shinjimirou928]

Oh new video about the voting polls I guess Id like to share my initial thoughts before watchinf based on the title alone. I think the 5th fleet just really represent the majority of the current monhun population because before monster hunter world was ever announced or relased, i only had a handful of people who knew and played the game But post-world release, i often see even as far as internet cafés where people playing monster hunter world when it was at the peak of its popularity. It was also simply referenced everywhere as it boomed in popularity So that's why I do think the 5th fleet having the largest population would have a big sway on the polls and they would also be the main supporter or playerbase of how monhun would be developed going forward And another issue i think this stems from is the accessibility to older generations like emulating older gen games are hard plus it has a much more difficult barrier to entry for newer players that's why they never experienced the older monsters. I do hope Capcom brings back some really old gen monsters despite the popularity differences. Like Yama Tsukami, or other old siege monsters. Ill give my after thoughts in the reply.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I love this! I’ll wait for your follow up before responding properly!

[@shinjimirou928]

​@@CoyoteWildfire After watching the video As suspected with the high barrier to entry for past games, I agree that it was only natural for it to have recency bias with the monsters and 5th gen becoming the first everlasting impressions for the newcomers I don't think we would have this many players if 5th gen didn't become easier to access and easier to pick-up compared to the difficult and clunkier nature of the old gens. Which is why I also agree why it allowed Capcom to sustain itself and propel the game to mainstream. Just seeing the sales comparison you did is a staggering difference by the millions The 5th fleet basically does represent the majority now and it's important that Capcom gets to understand what the majority wants because it was the 5th fleet that made the game so popular in the first place. So I don't think they ruined monster hunter's voting poll but in fact they enable Capcom to understand what works and enjoyable for the majority which influences the development for a better game. Imagine if they made the mistake of mostly focusing on pandering to the veterans calling back for clunky mechanics from old monsters or environmental and game mechanics that are just unhealthy for the grind. It would really alienate the core demographic that is now the 5th fleet. You mentioned Capcom took a risk to do something very different that it alienated some of the old core demographic before World. I do think it was necessary and they may end up doing sonething similar with Wilds making something very new. Or who knows, the 5th fleet's sway makes them stick to the exact same formula which would be disappointing in its own way. To me, I may not be able to see my old favorites like Jhen Mohren, Yama Tsukami, or old monster be popular because it didnt leave much of an impression to the 5th fleet since they never got a chance to experience it. I hope the poll tells Capcom that it would be worth reviving similar monsters from old gen to give a chance to leave an impression to the 6th gen and 5th gen who haven't looking how Lagiacrus is the only monster in the top 20 as 3rd place that does not exist at all in the 5th gen in some shape or form. Just cut content that Capcom could implement. Great video

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@shinjimirou928 thank you so much for your thoughts here, and I love your analysis. Excellent comment! I really think you summed it up nicely: "they enable Capcom to understand what works and enjoyable for the majority which influences the development for a better game." This right here is the spirit that I'm trying to convey. The changes aren't necessarily bad, and this has made it FAR more accessible to western audiences. Not *easier*, just more available, given that the fifth generation of games covers all major platforms: PC, PlayStation, Xbox, and Switch. There's even a mobile game now. Before, you were either limited to PlayStation 2 / Portable or Nintendo hardware (Wii, WiiU, 3DS), and this created a hardware barrier. We now get to see what Monster Hunter is like when all gamers get to have their chance to enjoy it!

[@Spinexus]

My personal top 10 (5th gen only): #1 Nergi (best monster ever) #2 Rathian (don´t ask) #3 Fatalis (best fight ever) #4 Velk (AT Velk 10/10) #5 Malzeno (arguably the 2nd best flagship) #6 Alatreon (best mechanical puzzle) #7 Deviljho (great theme and character) #8 Namielle (most beautiful monster) #9 Espinas (modern Rathian) #10 Vaal (love him, grinded him for like 200 hunts in base world) I like the pain monsters essentially! 😅

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I love how Vaal Hazak ended up on this list and also easily one of the most underrated Monsters, imho. Absolutely LOVE him. But uh... for the rest of them...? Do you need help? I know a good therapist, Spinexus. There's life after Escaton, I promise! :P

[@Fatalis_Legend]

3:22 Monster Hunter is not only the most successful Monster Hunter title, it is Capcom's best-selling game ever. I would have liked it if in the Hunters Choice, or perhaps earlier when creating the Capcom ID, they had asked about the first game, or at least the generation in which you started. Then you could have made a ranking for each generation, and an overall one.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I definitely like this idea, because I feel like it would have brought value and context to the contrasts and comparisons we could make in the top 10. This is how 3rd Fleet's Top 10 compared to 5th Fleet's. This is how 1st Fleet's Top 10 compared to 3rd's. So on and so forth. With that information, we would have a comparison point where we could draw similarities to the overall top 10, and see if the the most popular monsters were really JUST because of the 5th Fleet. (There were a fair few comments on this video that were pre-5th Fleet who voted for 5th Gen monsters too.)

[@Fatalis_Legend]

@@CoyoteWildfire By the way, in the Japanese stream, there was an additional differentiation between regions; Zinogre was not in first place everywhere. However, this was only shown in the Japanese stream, but nowhere else.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@Fatalis_Legend no kidding?? Can you get me a link to that? I’d love to watch it!

[@Fatalis_Legend]

@@CoyoteWildfire m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/jH66e5uuqst-e80&pp=ygUOY2FwY29tIGNoYW5uZWw%3D Summary of voting results for the top 3 most popular monsters of each region. Japan 1. Zinogre 2. Abyssal Lagiacrus 3. Nargacuga ___________________ America 1. Gore Magala 2. Lagiacrus 3. Zinogre ___________________ Europe 1. Lagiacrus 2. Nergigante 3. Gore Magala ___________________ Asia 1. Zinogre 2. Nergigante 3. Ruiner Nergigante

[@CoyoteWildfire]

This is brilliant Fatalis! Thank you!

[@ChandlerBaze]

Good video. I myself am a fifth fleeter so I am quite biased towards the 5th gen monsters since they are the ones I know the most, with Nergi being my favorite. I would like to have experienced some of the older generations, but the only one easily available is MHGU and I don't have the hardware or knowhow to emulate the older titles. I played GU, but the gathering quests required for the early village quests made me put the game down and I haven't picked it back up yet. Edit: Grammar

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Thank you! It's definitely valid to mention that earlier games are harder to come by... And less accessible from a difficulty curve perspective. I wonder if Capcom might consider doing a Monster Hunter collection, where they bring 1, Dos, Tri, and 4, all together in a bundle for modern gamers. That would honestly help ease a lot of that adoption, I think--especially for hunters like you hungry to try their hand at earlier titles.

[@dragonslayer3552]

I doubt its the bias of the fivers... Most fivers have gone back and played some of the old games at this point so if they liked a monster they would absolutely vote for it and we see that with white fatalis, lagiacrus and boltreaver astalos... So the answer is simple fifth gen simply had great fights that resonated with everyone both old and new and that's about it I voted alatreon, why is that you think ? Yea his old fight was fun and all but the fifth gen is what made him go from my top 30 to my top 1 and a lot of people feel this way for other monsters as well... The fights in 5th gen were way too good not to vote for them And well as further proof i know of a fiver that actually voted for dalamadur so yea its absolutely not 5th gen bias its just what people like

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I respect the contrasting opinion and your personal experience! While I don't necessarily think that the majority of hunters voted in the same way that you did, for the same reasons you did, I'm definitely happy to hear that there are still hunters out there who've determined to experience and enjoy Monster Hunter as a whole, regardless of the generation they started with. Bear in mind, biases are still present, and I'm quite confident that still had an impact. These same biases impact older hunters as well, so it's not just the 5th Fleet, but the 5th Fleet just happens to be the majority of players now. It's more to illustrate how our first experiences can be most impactful, and there are plenty of Fivers who simply haven't been able to experience earlier entries of the game due to the lack of accessibility.

[@dragonslayer3552]

@@CoyoteWildfire yea I do agree that some people have no access to the older titles including myself I only remember 3U by memory as I don't have access to it anymore and that's not really a problem with the people but Capcom "obviously someone that never played 4U will not vote for gog for example since he never experienced him"... They NEED to bring ports of the older games to the new consoles sometime in the future ASAP... Not only will they actually gain a lot from this but we will also get back access to the servers so we can properly play online

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@dragonslayer3552 SUPER agree with this. LOTS of the comments now are mentioning how they'd like to play the older games, but can't. In that vein, I recognize the barrier to entry this creates for Fivers as well. Additionally, I would LOVE LOVE to see a Monster Hunter collection with the first four games in one bundle. That plus the multiplayer you mentioned, would be an epic win.

[@AysaMetric]

Overall good analysis, but you did miss one notable point: CAPCOM has gotten better at designing monsters over the years, so monsters who appear as a debut or reprisal in more recent generations also tend to have more interesting fights and designs. A good example of this is Kushala Daora (who got a reworked fight in Rise), whose base version managed to rank 47 while the Rusted and Risen variants ranked 160 and 166 respectively. Honestly, I find that the vote results perfectly embody the community and spirit of Monster Hunter, with almost half of the top 20 and 7 out of the top 10 being monsters that are beloved by both the Old World Hunters and the 5th Gen hunters.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I think that's actually a good perspective to have. It's optimistic, and keeps the most important part at heart: our mutual love for these monsters, enjoyed by hunters new and old. I still can't stand Kushala, though. LOL. That thing is the bane of my existence... Great comment here, I love your thoughts!

[@Ramotttholl]

Also the issue i had is you can only vote for one. And sinds Bazel has a special place for me i couldnt even care about the others in my top 5 like Seltas Queen and Zamtrios. So i think what somewhat failed us is that we could only vote for 1. If we had different ways of voting like being able to vote for a top 3/5 (and different pols like one without varients or deviants.)

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Yeah, the Variants was a difficult part of the equation. When I saw Stygian Zinogre, I figured normal Zinogre wouldn't make the roster, because it would be effectively dividing the votes between two different Zinogres. But then again, Zinny took first place... Same goes for Abyssal Lagiacrus, White Fatalis, Ruiner Nergigante, Shagaru Magala, and Crimson Glow Valstrax. So I wonder how much the variants actually split the votes...

[@jesusalejandrogarciaguerra9972]

I remember You can vote for 3 m8

[@MH_MostWanted]

I haven't seem this yet but I have my issues with this poll too. I really want to know what they did to collect the data for "the most popular monsters"? I will also include my own take on the poll as well, if I get the chance.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I mean, probably just the votes that were cast. There are probably plenty of hunters who didn't participate... Or weren't aware of the poll, maybe? But once collected, it was just a matter of tallying the results.

[@MH_MostWanted]

@@CoyoteWildfire Was there really a voting system? I thought Capcom would just count how many monsters where hunted and call it a day. And to be fair I am not surprise that Rathalos is not in the top 20. Playing omline at least in the old games most don't find him fun but their are mostly Blade users only so it's understandable why they don't like the King of the Sky, another factor that I feel the same is that Rathalos doesn't change much in the games so he does feel boring.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@MH_MostWanted to my understanding, yes. You had to log into their site and then cast your vote from there. Unless I've missed something? But yeah, Rathalos is kind of standard, so I imagine he wasn't exactly high on people's list of favorites, considering he's pretty much a given in Monster Hunter at this point.

[@stormerjc9493]

Honestly 90% of the monsters in the series are great and 5th gen monsters have been consistently bangers so even if there's a 5th gen bias that's no bad thing and just because a favourite of yours didn't make it to the top 20 doesn't mean it won't get any attention, I mean i was jumping for joy just to see Gammoth in the top 100, and a world with all thr new 5th fleeters is better then one without them

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Honestly what a refreshing and well-rounded perspective! I think it's important to remember all the good things, instead of focusing on hating how we didn't get exactly what we wanted. You put it best: "A world with all the new 5th Fleeters is better than one without them."

[@stormerjc9493]

@@CoyoteWildfire 5th fleeters are who helped make my favourite game series off all time tale off and become successful and so I owe them, and it's also been so nice to see new people experiencing monster hunter for the first time, a feeling I felt getting more and more distant as time went on before world and it was wholesome too have that feeling again through them

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@stormerjc9493 and I think it's really good to mention that Wilds is going to provide more of that same experience you know and love! I'm excited for all the new players who will join.

[@jockpackage1770]

i just hope the marketing team doesn't have their tongues lodged in the devs' ears on this. i'm mostly joking. i love a lot of the monsters at the top, and from World, but many other monsters we haven't seen in a while need to return. it's sort of unfair, most of the votes were people that would have likely seen a picture or watched a video of these older monsters. it's not their fault, these old games aren't exactly easily accessible. the bottom of the list wasn't people saying they hated those monsters, nor that they forgot them entirely even, just that they weren't many people's single vote for a favorite. in the bigger picture, that means very little. many of the highly rated could be divisive, with many loving them but many hating them or having them low on personal lists. it's not like people got a negative vote to use on top of their 1 positive vote. lunastra was really obscure, only being in singleplayer of MH2 and not even g rank, then she got a... um controversial rework in World. i just don't want the mixed results of these revivals and this poll to prevent the team from trying to do such redemption arcs in the future for more forgotten monsters. more monsters deserve another chance. i'm not mad at any newer players that just didn't take the time to look into what was and what could be, with some great monsters if they made a comeback in the new style. i just hope that the devs see the other side of this. not so much what monsters need to be in, for hype and sales, but also what was maybe a great concept but forgotten and in need of help. i'm a 5th fleeter but i chose to look into pretty much every monster. i did play the older games but i know of the monsters and have many that i want to return so i and the rest of the fifth fleet can enjoy them too. did they skew the poll? yes, mathematically that's just how it is. is that a bad thing? no, it's not, unless the team takes the wrong message from this and i doubt they will. him bringing up proximity bias made me think of Dunbar's number, the social science understanding that the human brain can only recognize 150 other people as meaningful relationships to them. there may be a similar thing at work here with how many monsters were not present for a while and even the groups of old players may have forgotten some monsters. this influencing any skew in the votes on the low end. the fact that the bottom was a tie fascinates me. those 2 are crying for a rework. i recomend checking out CR-volcanic's daily popularity poll for another fascinating set of votes. he's doing a vote of 1 monster per day, 1 to 5 stars for every monster to try and get a more fair vote out there. yes, smaller sample size but letting you give points to any or all monsters you want will measure the love for monsters in a more interesting way. a cool Monster Hunter community thing to take part in/promote if you are so inclined.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I think that some monsters got more positive reworks, and perhaps some really didn't, like Lunastra as you mentioned. And I agree, I'd love to see more older monsters get a rework and more representation in Wilds as well. It's pretty important to recognize our roots and where things have come from to paint a clearer picture of how we got to where we are today. Every fleeter has their preferences for the same reason, including pre-5th gen. And mathematically this would certainly skew the poll, as you mentioned. But with Wilds likely to be the largest Monster Hunter experience to date? I'm thinking we'll get some older Monsters brough back, alongside the new monsters. Or at least, that's what I'm hopeful for!

[@pigsmacker213]

Gonna go on a limb and say probably not if Abyssal Lagi managed to get in the top 10.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Lagi for 3rd, and Abyssal Lagi in 12th. I’d say that was a pretty clear message right there!

[@pigsmacker213]

@@CoyoteWildfire ya

[@JunDageki]

I’m not sure if to count lagi tho, while fairly popular just like any other flagship, he gets pushed hard as a request by the fans because he’s the only flagship missing. Which means the votes are technically also fueled by the new gen.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@JunDageki it's funny you should mention that. This is an idea I'm going to be exploring in my next video.

[@_traubenkuchen_]

i wouldve liked to see spin off monsters like the monsters from frontier to be included in the poll

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Yeah, that would have been cool, honestly. Was there one in particular you were hoping to vote for?

[@_traubenkuchen_]

@@CoyoteWildfire I would’ve probably voted for zenith harudomerugu. Or Ruko or Garuba Daora

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@_traubenkuchen_ I wonder if we'll see a monster or two from Frontier in Wilds...

[@_traubenkuchen_]

@@CoyoteWildfire I doubt that. The higher difficulty end game monsters were too over the top for a mainline game (the fights were epic af) . But well we have seen Espinas again so we never know I guess

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@_traubenkuchen_ yeah, that's a good point, we did see Espinas, but Espinas was also a more grounded fight compared to End-Game Frontier Monsters... For your sake, I hope they bring back a handful of them so you can experience them in a new way!

[@kyubipl]

next nice video, thanks for that 🙂

[@CoyoteWildfire]

You're most welcome! I hope you enjoyed!

[@OTBASH]

Fivers shall rule them all, mwuhahaha. *twirls mustache* Also, seeing rathalos not even make the top 20 despite being in every game makes me a very happy man. Why? Because I've been playing MH4U and that game has rekindled my passionate hatred for that fucker. I thought he was annoying in World but ohhhh boy I never realized how worse he was in the old games.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Hahaha, he was actually a force to be reckoned with back in the day! He wasn’t positioned as an introductory level Wyvern like he is in the 5th Gen. Good on you for going back and experiencing other games though!

[@Friki_gameplays]

Even without context, Is just THAT funny when your series mascot is historically infamous, rather than being... liked, it makes being denied of top 20 totally deserved

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@Friki_gameplays I did have to chuckle that it missed the top 20 by only 1 spot. LOL.

[@maldivesthegamer9774]

He literally reveres pikachu instead of getting the best treatment in the world he get almost nothing for being franchise mascot

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@maldivesthegamer9774 maybe that's why there were three different Rathalos in World? Or maybe it's because there were three different Rathalos in World that Hunters were kind of over it?

[@brotatochipsz4294]

Hey. I know it's been sometime since I spoke on your channel and all. I know it's also been some time since I even said anything at all. I had been dealin with a lot RL wise and honestly I haven't gone to twitter / X or anything and well I just wanna say that while I understand where everyone is coming from and the choice is just simply stating a simple idea of what's been looked at and after. Perhaps it wasn't just the monster but also the armor. I mean again though the awesome thing is though this could also be the move set and the whole story behind such monsters as you mentioned. The main thing being is like Nergigante. You have to take into account for everything that goes behind such decisions.. The problem that you mentioned not just hte bias but it causes separation but it should be embraced and perhaps taking into the thought process of say..."Hey why do you like this monster" Allow said hunter to explain why they enjoy it. Why the like it. What it is that they enjoyed for said monster. I personally would love to see new monsters like they have been doing. Perhaps build off such monsters as well to further develop said series. I would like to also say I think I saw Lao Shan Lung. This would be an amazing fight to see again and maybe even sit there and go back to enjoy and put him in it's fullest as a siege. All of this taken into account could be awesome and understanding to see how things would take place. I am not upset with the whole choices that were made. I do enjoy seeing some that are mentioned and would love to see more monsters included. I don't ask any questions but I ultimately enjoy seeing so many different suggestions and see those who would continue to enjoy the game. This has been such a great anticipation to watch and see how things turn out when it comes for the future. I would really ultimately like to see new monsters but I don't quite anticipate it. I do enjoy the fact that now there is going to be a bigger base of players that would look to enjoy this, to see how things play out and eventually see how many more people would get into this and further enjoy this game. This has ultimately bought quite a lot of people together. I have gotten other friends to play this that once were so unsure of it and now have gotten into it and really enjoy the adventure of this game that will soon be bought out into the wilds. I have enjoyed, I have loved, and cherished every moment with friends on this game. I also am excited to see and bring other friends into this game as well and want to gather my friend group into such things and have them go through the game, enjoy, and bring about a new delight that we can go about and enjoy this game to it's fullest! To have all the moments caught in action and experience the same surprise that it brings about when seeing the new monster, when coming in and seeing the new trials and scenes that burst onto the screen. To have that oh so familiar tune of.....the party crasher...the one I didn't see which was Bazelgeuse....This one had left an impression on me only cause he was always there... Love him or hate him....He always knew how to put you in that cart and send ya back to base. XD BUT! That being said this game and this entire generation has been amazing. The pics of the favorite monster is just something that maybe that they are taking into account. Perhaps they will look on this, explore more indepth of lore and even gameplay mechanics..We already see that this is been something that we have all enjoyed, the anticipation running high, the entire time of sitting here and watching as things fall into place and the continued thought proces behind everything of what we can expect, what we will see....perhaps even subtle hints of what else is to come until we get this next possible trailer, reveal, or what ever it maybe. We are all excited and thrilled that we are already just a few months away to actually get a glimpse of what is to come.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Brotato! Holy smokes dude, it's good to see you again! I missed these comments. First off and foremost, I do have to acknowledge that there was one factor I didn't mention: specifically the armor / skills / aesthetic of the equipment you can craft from a given monster. That definitely would reinforce ideas of familiarity, for sure. You're absolutely right on this. But what you said about how these are good things, all together, under the Monster Hunter Community? Is exactly the type of message I want to drive home. There are a lot of good memories, regardless of what generation you were introduced to the series in. And it's important to remember, that even if someone's exposure to Monster Hunter is limited, that doesn't diminish the validity of their votes, nor does it invalidate how special the memories and experiences are that we got to share in together.

[@brotatochipsz4294]

​@@CoyoteWildfire Exactly. It's not so much what franchise that you enjoy it should be that everyone has enjoyed this game from the moment that they first landed on it and that they are now creating their own memroies. From old to new. Those who are veterans to those who are new to it. We shouldn't immediately be ones to just shut them down or say "Oh of course it's from this gen." Instead of having such a negative appeal. Simply say "Hey if you happen to enjoy that hunt. Check this one out on youtube! Tell me what your thoughts are!" Or introduce them some how to even allow them to experience such a thing. Show them the ways to get to enjoy other portions of this vastly growing game and have them understand why some hunts might even be better then what they think. The main take away from this should also be we are one big community who enjoys this game. This isn't a PVP game this is a game where you go with friends and create a new experience...New memories with each hunt that you can go on. It's just something that should be cherished, enjoyed, and shared with others to be helping flourish this community. This is one of the greatest communities to be apart of. To honestly have this chance to be part of such a community where there is no negativity at all towards one another and just simply moments where even if it's a loss...It created those moments that we could laugh about, learn, and enjoy and just go right back in without even so much as a second thought of being upset with. Cause it just means a new experience is about to happen when you embark on each new quest whether it's with friends or future friends. For a side note though I feel they would still make this work with having the armor still look as epic as it does and to have the skill sets and such. I think that's what most people were gathering fromt his. BUT! I could be wrong. As seeing Zinogre as you mentioned in the number 1 slot I get that a lot of people liked the big fluffy lightning doggo and me personally I liked Odogoron...He was fun, watching the big doggo do cat stuff or what ever. Bein all crafty. XD But I was also surprised that not many went to pick Val Hazaak...He was a pretty interesting one to fight...While I know it was a pain in the ass for the whole fact that he can reduce your health down to next to nothing and then one tap ya. XD It's a bit of a bitch. BUT! That being said though I thought it bought about more strategy and understanding that..."Hey he big bad dangerous! Don't step near him to much." XD I also think the reason why some of the bigger monsters got up in there is also cause of the fact that this was something that bought about an entire new view on a siege mode. Granted yes it was with bigger and better graphics but also understand that these are monsters that had left a big impact like Safi Jiva...His big attack being the sort of "Saphire star" of sorts and can you blame people on this? It was a brilliant take on it. I digress though cause this was one of the few as well as the first one being Kulve' Taroth. Who bought about the whole start of a siege...At least to the worlds...I hope to see others like this in wilds or maybe if we actually get big world events...A giant raid boss. This to me would be something that would be amazing to have happen and if the idea gets bought about where it's not just 4 hunters anymore and you can have a bigger squad. This could lead to bigger things and make it even more interesting. While I understand this wasn't about theory crafting I just have been having many thoughts about this as well. Just like imagine having to gather about certain pieces to summon a monster? Kinda like what you had done in the end game portion of Iceborne. How you were able to lure out certain monsters. This time imagine it brings about a raid monster and the entire landscape changes based on the whole monster you had decided to lure out sort to speak. :P It's just a thought and could be interesting and I really don't wanna get peeps hopes up but just throwing something like this out there.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I always love when you bring your ideas to the table. Your comments are always substantive, and bring well-rounded insight. It's important to celebrate that and I hope you know how much I appreciate when you weigh in on conversations. At the crux of it, I think you nailed it when you mentioned inclusive language. Instead of gatekeeping, or berating new players for not experiencing older games, we could help introduce them to bigger parts of the series. Like you said, "Awesome how you liked this, try this KZbin video because I want to know what you think!" Things like that help invite and include newer players, and graft them into earlier experiences, biomes, or monster designs that they wouldn't have experienced otherwise. They're at a bit of a disadvantage when we think about how difficult it is to obtain the older games, you know? They're not easily accessible, and I would LOVE to see Capcom release a Monster Hunter bundle of some sorts, where the first four games in the series came in a collection. It would be SUCH a great way to get newer players involved in the earlier Monster Hunter experiences.

[@CornisPopped]

This is a spicy take! And I think they did. Being a fifth fleet member myself, I can appreciate Nergi but I would have liked Zamtrios to be in the top 50 atleast :(

[@CoyoteWildfire]

As a Fifth Fleeter, what would you recommend to your fellow Hunters, to recognize your own biases and to broaden their experiences?

[@CornisPopped]

I'd definitely suggest trying out the older games, like 4U and GenU. Getting to experience these older fights while being immersed in preceding combat techs (like Hunter Arts) can aid in this@@CoyoteWildfire

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@CornisPopped I love this so much. Absolutely respect those choices and recommendations! Keeping the OG spirit alive!

[@wits_end.]

As a P3rd hunter I'm very fine with Jinouga in 1st place, but since the majority of the playerbase now came from world any voting is skewed. If Zinogre was never in World/Rise, it wouldn't have a chance in top 3. Most fivers will most likely hate the older games. It's too hardcore. Even if they are now "seasoned hunters" most won't be able the handle it without the quality of life changes that the new games brought. Having to grind for hours for gems instead of trading for them, simple things like that🤭

[@CoyoteWildfire]

P3rd hunter here as well, and I was so happy to see Zinny. I think newer hunters might not appreciate a number of the ways the older titles didn't respect our time, haha, and it did get a lot more grindy for the end-game mats as well. They might not *enjoy* it, but I don't think it's too "hardcore" for newer hunters to handle--there are 5th Fleeters who are more skilled hunters than I am.

[@heyimurchin6575]

I think anyone who bought the game has a say to whoever their favorite monster is. Kinda suck that the older gen game are not available to someone like me who never got the chance to own any portable console.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

It's definitely difficult to experience a lot of the earlier entries without emulating them, unfortunately. But I'm glad that the newer generation of games have brought Monster Hunter to such a wide audience--I agree, anyone who bought the game has a say in their favorite monster, regardless of how much of the series they've experienced.

[@just_a_guy9688]

Kid named Emulation:

[@andreamassari7954]

I'm a Third fleeter. My favorite MH is Iceborne. I voted Gogmazios. It cames 28th. Me happy

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Absolutely love that, as a Third Fleeter, your favorite game is still 5th Gen. Fellow Third Fleet here! My first was P3rd. :D

[@andreamassari7954]

@@CoyoteWildfire my fav monster is 4th gen and for the Monster OST poll I voted for a Rise theme (the Allmother). I take all flavors of MH and it's not excluded that Wilds will become my new fav

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@andreamassari7954 an open mind and an open spirit does wonders for your health too. I respect, and appreciate, this! Massive W.

[@drakeshotplays]

I started on the PS2 when you had to use the right analog stick as the melee attack combo button it sucked, but Ive played every game since that one and Ill always say bring back Bloodbath Diablos as he was my favorite fight outside of elder dragons his blood and black color made for awesome Armors and Weapons! Bring back YamaTsukami, Gogmazios and Abyssal Lagiarcus!

[@CoyoteWildfire]

There are a number of older monsters that could be brought to life in a new way, I think. I'm hopeful we'll get to see more of that in Wilds--especially with both Abyssal and standard Lagiacrus in the top 20. At least we're not using the thumbstick for your swings anymore, LOL.

[@Ragdoll00]

This poll would always be biased as every new gen the newer mons would be more likely to win, like for me, I voted for a second gen mon and wanted my second gen favs to win as I started in second gen

[@CoyoteWildfire]

At least you understand how your first experience with Monster Hunter would create that bias for you. :) It's important to recognize! Sorry you didn't see much of your 2nd Gen favorites represented, though.

[@arapaimagold8088]

Isn’t all the veterans are on the Risebreak side?

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Not to my knowledge. Much of the veterans prefer World, by my observations. I could be wrong though!

[@ExStarLeon89]

I think you’re over looked something that the fifth generation monster, hunter games Were available on PC and steam deck plus rise had that and the switch. the only way to play the other ones you’ll need a Play station two / portable, and Nintendo 3DS / wii. So so if you know where I’m going with this, where is the bias?

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I absolutely understand where you're coming from--the Fifth Gen was FAR more accessible. Not only was it worldwide, it was released on multiple platforms that were historically separated from one another. World was also the first mainline game released on PC. You're absolutely right to mention this. The bias itself isn't a negative thing--nor is it a criticism for the way the Fifth Fleet cast their votes. Instead, it's meant to illustrate the point that a Fifth Fleeter wouldn't vote for say, Gigginox, since they've never had a real experience with it. The bias itself is a symptom of this greater availability across multiple platforms. It's part of the relationship of cause and effect. You get games in front of more people, regardless of the hardware they're playing on, and you'll get more sales. More sales means that more new people will be experiencing the game for the first time, and experiencing the game for the first time means preference for that first game they experienced. So although it wasn't overlooked, you're right in that I didn't directly mention how many more people could experience Monster Hunter on their platform of choice worldwide!

[@CaveHunter47]

Ehhhhh..... There were a lot of OG monsters that still made top 20, and Lagiacrus still scored 3rd. So as far as I'm concerned, the results are fine

[@CoyoteWildfire]

You're talking about ones that were introduced prior to the 5th Gen? That's a valid point. If we were to swap the ratio, where we add Monsters present in 5th Gen but introduced earlier (45%), and Monsters not at all present in the 5th Gen (20%), it would be a total of 65%, which is still a majority. Ultimately, Lagiacrus in the Top 3, and Abyssal Lagiacrus in the Top 20, were a good message for Capcom to hear, imho. And my favorite was #1, so I'm personally not complaining, myself. :)

[@CaveHunter47]

@@CoyoteWildfire ya, I primarily have only played Tri, then jumped to World and Rise. So my perspective of OG is anything before World 😅 I do think Rathalos has been way overused and needs a break to rebuild hype though. I know he's a big flagship but dang, does he have to be in every game? Kinda kills the hyps imo

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@CaveHunter47 I guess that's what happens when you become a Mascot. Almost like Luigi in Super Mario... The game doesn't *center* around them, necessarily, but you anticipate that they'll be present in the game just due to how closely they're associated to the franchise. Rathalos got a lot of screen time in World, too... Tempered, Azure, Silver... I mean, there's plenty of Rathalos already represented in the 5th gen.

[@cephalotac2765]

it's not because someone played only the 5th gens game that they don't apreciate the older monster . and also i think mizutsune doesn't deserve to be on the list it's not that great of a monster

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Agreed. It’s more so that the Fifth Fleet *first experienced* the 5th Gen games, and first impressions are often the longest lasting.

[@zappoe7875]

I wish they could port the old games to pc.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

This is a big W right here. It would be *amazing* to get a Monster Hunter Collection bundle from Capcom honestly.

[@zappoe7875]

@@CoyoteWildfire Indeed.

[@lnazumaKanon]

My Jiji bought the original Monster hunter in 2004 and lime got my brother and sister to learn how to hunt and … This game has formes a lot of my character and mentality. I been doing this 20 years lmfao … Just took my best friend through generations before the return to world and it was the greatest experience ever I still got recordings of it… I don’t hate the 5th fleet l dislike how defensive they are ro trying the older Gámez, my best friend wicked they wanted to experience so bad and now they love Zamtrios, I got a MASSIVLY rekindled love of Durambaros again too hahah

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I think gatekeeping on any side is in bad faith, but I think it's difficult for some newer hunters to experience the older games unless they choose to emulate--that's just not for everyone. Perhaps Capcom might come out with a Monster Hunter collection on modern machines so we can all experience the older titles together, that would be amazing!

[@lnazumaKanon]

@@CoyoteWildfire THATS always a factor, I’m currently uploading my first serious video of rhe clips I mentioned. Made me realize I wanna showcase how the old games were on my own part. Thank you for this video this is the stuff I believe is Content.. the stuff People actually wanna watch from there communities

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@lnazumaKanon that's such a kind thing to say! I deeply appreciate that acknowledgement! Please feel free to share on socials, or on Reddit, if you feel it's a message you want others to hear!

[@clarke_griswold3680]

I made it in the video (thx)

[@CoyoteWildfire]

You’re most welcome, and thank you for the good conversation and comments! So happy you got to see yourself in there!

[@SwaxGuy]

If the 5th played all the games or knew at least most of the monsters it would be a lot different.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

Probably would, but again, bear in mind that the 5th Fleet also experienced the 5th Generation first, and that first impression is really long-lasting. I think it would definitely be different, but perhaps not as much as we might think.

[@toottootsonicwarrior5777]

Two nerges being in the top ten is so ridiculous. Theres never been such an overrated monster before.

[@CoyoteWildfire]

I personally wouldn't go that far... Clearly there are a lot of people who really liked Nergi, even if it wasn't one you cared for much. I'm personally not that big a fan of him either, haha.

[@dragonslayer3552]

Literally lagiacrus had the same thing and there's 3 of them

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@dragonslayer3552 same with ZInny and Fatalis, fwiw.

[@raisp6073]

Imo Zinogre is the most overrated, that shock puppy had won the last one two and Styngin almost got into top ten all while it showing up since its introduction

[@CoyoteWildfire]

@@raisp6073 that's entirely fair. With Zinny being my favorite Monster, I was obviously happy with the result, but I definitely can understand where you're coming from here! Who did you hope for 1st Place?