The Monsters in Undertale Are Just Expressing Themselves

[@squirlis1189]

"Stop playing the victim, you attacked Frisk first" "If those monsters could read, they would be very upset"

[@EEE.654]

technically it's your turn first every battle except for sans, so you can't really say they attacked first if you're trying to kill them from the beginning

[@Grover-the-GOAT-of-the-series]

If u kill them in first route itself defense if it's you trying to do a second run then your evil

[@TheNotSoGreat1]

@@EEE.654You encounter them without choice and a some of the time you can’t run away the first turn. Also, even if you act the first turn, they still attack you so they obviously aren’t using it as self defence

[@retrobits2922]

​​@@EEE.654 If you're doing pacifist they attack first cause you ain't hitting the fight button.

[@Apowo16]

If someone attacks you, realizes you're stronger, and then backs away with their hands up, killing them isn't self-defense. The monsters surrender halfway through the battle if you use violence.

[@edcola6671]

Shoutouts to the MVP Papyrus, the only monster who can’t kill you. He just sends you to his totally not suspicious garage.

[@TEMP-vm1mt]

@@edcola6671 he even heals you to full HP, it’s like someone beating you up then paying for your medical bills with their own money

[@Thankedsphere99]

​@@TEMP-vm1mtI wish Toriel healed me.

[@aresrivera9744]

Completely ignores whimsum who can’t hurt you unless you actively try to hurt yourself and when you talk to, it runs away

[@santiagojoaquinrojas9435]

@@aresrivera9744 Then why does he start the encounter in the first place?

[@aresrivera9744]

@@santiagojoaquinrojas9435 if you read the text it says “whimsum approached meekly” An encounter does not mean a battle . Dating somebody or hanging out count as an encounter as shown with alphys papyrus

[@TEMP-vm1mt]

@@santiagojoaquinrojas9435 who said whismun started the encounter, if Shyren is anything to go by, frisk can also start encounters themselves “Shyren hides in the corner but somehow encounters you anyway”

[@Turmoil-TheKoopaKiller]

Isn't whimsum like a bug?

[@aniketr341]

@@aresrivera9744 He's one guy though

[@aureliamastergoomba1278]

Hey Frisk, what about Papyrus, who specifically is the only person who CANNOT kill you.

[@dylanzlol7293]

He spares you before you can kill him, so its more that he's the kindest monster in the underground or whatever

[@stellarisplayer7798]

He's very evidently still alive in the video lol

[@Mrsir529]

He said something along the lines of “BUT IF I CAPTURE YOU, THEY MIGHT NOT LET YOU GO…” “AGH! WHO CARES? JUST GIVE UP ALREADY!”

[@goommooster7572]

just because someone doesn’t kill you doesn’t make you a threat especially since he specifically disengages when you’re at 1HP papyrus is just beating you almost to death it’s kind of better than outright killing them, but papyrus would still be a reasonable threat, especially with the fact that you’ve only made it through his puzzles so easily because you were *extremely* lucky

[@JoPo-nk8pr]

@@stellarisplayer7798 ok?

[@jestersprite6428]

Honestly really funny this comes up as I'm writing a document on which Undertale encounters I can make a case for justifying murder for. The current consensus is, not many, but I think the funniest takeaway from it so far is that I can absolutely justify murdering Toriel but can never justify killing Jerry.

[@rosesapling72]

jerry licks its fingers, it has to go.

[@DaviUndertale]

I'd like to see your argument for killing Toriel

[@gamercentral2417]

Funny thing is at the end of the day it’s not frisk killing it’s us. So still it’s morally wrong

[@TheSpaceCommunist]

@@DaviUndertale Not OP, but Toriel essentially assaults a child (by burning them) to keep them hostage, and dies very unexpectedly if the child fights back. Considering that most children can’t time travel, I would not blame a child for killing someone under those circumstances.

[@RushWheeler]

​@@DaviUndertaleShe's throwing fire at a child and tried to put living with a human child unconsensually over saving an entire race of monsters.

[@smugbowkid9919]

This is why the Neutral Run is 100% the most realistic outcome and canonically I think it’s safe to assume that Frisk would never get Pacifist on the first try, you gotta reset.

[@Shadow-yh5qo]

Well yeah, of course there's got to be a reset, Flowey resets it back after the Omega Flowey fight so you can get a true pacifist ending.

[@redbepis4600]

Realistically a kid would just run away from all encounters

[@evilness3404]

​@redbepis4600 That actually matches with their personality, too. The bandage always allows you to run away from random encounters and sans states in a pacifist run that when they run they do it with a smile (which considering pacifist is the route where you learn their name and they show the most personality, correponds to what they'd actually want to do. Especially since they seem to dislike using violence, shown by hitting the dummy, where they feel bad until you get at least LV 5+)

[@goommooster7572]

@@redbepis4600 what about the fights you can’t run away from? undyne canonically has a method to keep foes in place, and there’s a few other encounters that you can’t run away from.

[@Wilker_uwu]

the neutral non backseated run is literally part of the intended experience, i find it sad how very few people realize the discovery of the different routes are by themselves a spoiler

[@abdillahahmad7025]

Shut up Flowey, you don't have the say here since you tried to kill me.

[@unknowed5048]

And he's the one that taught us the famous "Kill or be killed" phase.

[@agsilverradio2225]

​@@unknowed5048 He's right, but his reasons for telling us were wrong.

[@Thankedsphere99]

I'm pretty sure Flowey attempted Genocide, and criticises us for killing Toriel.

[@fvvcccc4307]

He's not a monster, that's why he can say that.

[@gabriellopez4100]

​@@Thankedsphere99 That's more of a mockery than a criticism.

[@zangryomani1257]

Missed opportunity to bring up Toriel being nice to you... Then trying to fire ball you once you try to leave.

[@TheSpaceCommunist]

And then getting mad at certain people for trying to kill you while never acknowledging that she could have deescalated the situation the entire time

[@PotatioBaconio]

She literally won’t kill you tho. If you have low hp she misses her attacks.

[@zangryomani1257]

@@PotatioBaconio She still attacks you WITH FIRE.

[@PotatioBaconio]

@@zangryomani1257 if Toriel is so bad for non-lethally fire-blasting you, how bad is the player for murdering possibly dozens of people?

[@Gabriel-lh7gy]

​@@PotatioBaconiotoriel can kill you, yeah she tries to avoid you but she still can kill you

[@kutura_P]

Yeah “just expressing themselves” by shooting magic “friendly” bullets in your general direction that can kill and follow you. Totally just expressing themselves.

[@giasfelfebrehber12]

Completely successful, I cracked up 7 times

[@MarcoAntonioColioGallardo]

Flowey: NO, YOU HAVE TO OBEY ME!!! *The 7 human times you cracked up:*

[@Yourlocmemes360]

Why does this make me crack up too lol🤣

[@johnwilliamson4368]

Ooooohh, so that's why they were sealed underground. It was really hard to tell who was a threat and who was friendly, but still a threat

[@Rogueboss2budgetedition]

if you were a monster im pretty sure youd attack frisk, idk if i would be very kind to the race that commited genocide and sealed my kind underground in a death prison with no escape but human souls.

[@Rogueboss2budgetedition]

They were sealed underground because humans are racist. Reminder that the "war" before they got sealed was more like a genocide, thousands of monsters died, not a single human died.

[@johnwilliamson4368]

@Rogueboss2budgetedition yes, it makes sense that monsters attack Frisk while In the underground, but I meant that while they were above ground, I thought they maybe used magic to express themselves, resulting in people getting hurt, resulting in the war and sealing underground.

[@ahmed4363]

​@@johnwilliamson4368wasn't the actual reason that the humans feared the power monsters gained when absorbing a human soul and so that's why they started the war?

[@johnwilliamson4368]

@@ahmed4363 dunno, was it?

[@AmbyrRavyn]

Im always so dumbfounded when die hard monster apologists excuse the undergrounds every action

[@jemios]

I love expressing myself too!! (There are no bodies in the basement I swear)

[@stm7810]

If me singing, playing, telling jokes or healing someone kills them because they turn out to be some alien with completely different biology, that's not really my fault.

[@gamerdomain6618]

@@stm7810 If you recognise that they are damaged by it, continue, and then let them die as a direct consequence of your actions, then that really is your fault.

[@stm7810]

@@gamerdomain6618 they don't notice though, what are they meant to stare at your HP bar all the way over there?

[@gamerdomain6618]

@@stm7810 If we see a battle portrait of the enemy during an encounter, then I'm pretty sure that the same goes the other way around, and I'm pretty sure that a small child wouldn't stay completely stonefaced while being actively maurauded. Don't bring up how they're a silent protagonist and literally never emote, because for all we know, that's mostly just stylistic representation with how often acts or cutscenes describe you as speaking.

[@stm7810]

@@gamerdomain6618 I won't say they have a neutral expression due to the sprite but because of all the dialogue that jokes about it, the only time they emote is smiling on Genocide encountering an enemy. that's the absurdity in Sans saying he's reading your face.

[@maximumforce8275]

Lets not forget tgat asgore declared any human who fell down to be killed. They literally have a motive.

[@Emuotori_fr]

The argument that they fight you because they need your soul to come to the surface is valid and makes a lot of sense, until you have Dogami and Dogaresa who end up believing that you are a puppy. Gerson knows you're human but he doesn't try to confront you or anything. So the plot falls apart a bit because it means that there are monsters facing you for what reason?

[@gabrielmbx9253]

Yeah the problem its a lot monster doenst know you are human, becuse never see one

[@crazygamingoscar7325]

@@Emuotori_fr "Dogami and Dogaresa who end up believing that you are a puppy" Yeah.They don't believe that at first. Gerson doesn't believe in whatever asgore is saying. THis is explict. Perhaps try paying attention?

[@TotallyNotFanatic25]

​@@crazygamingoscar7325​ Dogami and Dogaressa used smell to determine if Frisk was a human, yet they assumed they were one, because Frisk had a "weird smell". this is the sole reason, if player chooses to spare them after rolling around in mud and letting them re-sniff Frisk, they end up thinking Frisk might be a lost puppy. and where does it state about "Gerson not believing whatever Asgore saying"? show me the exact line where it is directly written and elaborate on how does it affect the person's point about Gerson KNOWING that Frisk is a human, yet not attacking one.

[@crazygamingoscar7325]

@@TotallyNotFanatic25 "this is the sole reason" Yeah and they're correct. Dogs have good senses lmao. "Gerson not believing whatever Asgore saying" I'm so GLAD YOU ASKED! "Long ago, Asgore and I agreed that escaping would be pointless... I felt a little betrayed when he changed his mind." Also "Eh, fight you? No, i'm not a hero." even on geno bro doesn't want to fight you, because he's smart enough to know that a human could flatten him. So, considering gerson doesn't want to escape, I would deduce that frisk being a human has... let me calculate... precisely... 0% relevance to him.

[@OmniversalInsect]

Yeah the monsters were definitely trying to kill you and they are in the wrong for that. My interpretation of the pacifist story is that people who do bad things often have a reason and it's not out of pure malice. This doesn't justify their actions or make them right, but trying to understand their side can help you to reach a better solution.

[@Malo_Rezon]

1:16 “They threw one knife…” “THEY ONLY HAD ONE KNIFE!!”

[@nappa1381]

Screw it, I’ll join the flame war. If someone’s method of expressing themselves causes you physical harm, you have no obligation to be friendly to them. Literally every monster in undertale, sans (ha) Papyrus will kill you if you’re not careful. Ergo, killing in self defense, regardless of the intentions of your attacker, is justified. And don’t give me that “you’re basically immortal so it’s okay” schtick. One, neither the player or Frisk know that initially. Two, the monsters don’t know that. Three, even if you do know you can’t really die, dying is still very painful and can be very traumatic, especially for a child. So even if you’re “immortal,” you have no obligation to go through dying over and over again on the off chance you can save someone else, especially if they’re actively hurting you and causing you to die. TL:DR: You have no obligation to help someone who is hurting you, intentionally or not.

[@TEMP-vm1mt]

@@nappa1381 Papyrus is literally incapable of killing you, also he spares you on low hp so papyrus is kinda the one exception

[@BrenninEthan903]

@@TEMP-vm1mtsort of, but he still beats a little kid to a pulp before trapping them in a cage. Also if Frisk stayed trap, Undyne would end up killing Frisk in it. Purposely or not, Papyrus would get you killed.

[@TEMP-vm1mt]

@@BrenninEthan903 but the thing is you can easily escape the trap and refight papyrus, where at low HP he will spare you and let you go, if you lose 2 more times papyrus will literally let you skip his fight, granted papyrus is doing the wrong thing, but in my opinion it doesn’t warrant murder especially when there is another option, TLDR: Killing papyrus isn’t justifiable

[@BrenninEthan903]

@@TEMP-vm1mt Papyrus doesn’t know you can just easily escape his cage though. He thinks he made the cage good, because he’s just goofy. Papyrus still had the intent to leave you trapped in there, then turn you in to Undyne so she can kill you and he becomes a Royal guard member. He may not kill you, but he still beats you to a pulp and leaves you in a painful state before shoving you into a cage. But killing him after he offers to skip his fight is no longer justified in killing him, as you chose to fight him and kill him.

[@nappa1381]

@@TEMP-vm1mt The problem with your argument is you’re operating on the knowledge you already have. A new player won’t have that knowledge. They don’t know Papyrus won’t kill them. They don’t know if getting captured will end with them being killed. Either way, you can easily argue that the player is justified in attacking Papyrus if they believe their life is in danger because of him.

[@Rubentemira]

“papyrus cant kill the human” also papyrus: beats you down till you’re at your last breath, knocks you out with a bone, then throws your living body on a shed with dog food.

[@nonenothing5009]

Exactly.

[@End_Productions]

I feel like this is the exact reason why Neutral is required before true pacifist can even happen. Because Toby doesn’t expect anyone to spare everyone on their first run, and if they spared Flowey he tells you that all the people who you did spare could be living a better life. Undertale is a morally grey game and people always forget about the many Neutral endings that exist because Pacifist isn’t necessarily the easiest thing to do but it is the better thing to do. No you're not obligated to save them, but what the hell are you doing with that power then?

[@TEMP-vm1mt]

THIS, I feel like people actively forget pacifist is not meant to be the first route you take,

[@gamercentral2417]

People forget that the game doesn’t hate you for killing monsters. It’s the early fans that hated people for killing the monsters. The game doesn’t really care and just guides you towards the right path (and if you kill papyrus the only slack you get is his literal brother disliking you)

[@4ndr00med4]

Uhh I'm escaping the underground

[@jonathanalberto-nx6lu]

I completely agree, but this Is the meta way of seeing undertale and tbh Undertale kinda shifts between being a self-concsious narrative and being a intern narrative, kinda reminds me of the way homestuck Is narrated.

[@bestaround3323]

​@@gamercentral2417The game only hates you for going out of your way to inflict as much suffering as possible purely to see what would happen. I think we can all agree that the Genocide ending is immoral.

[@LemonQueenTM]

Jerry is actually the only one in the entire game who doesn’t attack you at all.

[@UpBeat-o3c]

He still a jerk

[@Fogancia]

The fact that you have to spare them when they're at low HP but no one except Papyrus spares you when you're at low HP

[@Raksha-64]

"A monster tries to kill me for no reason and no one bats an eye, but when I kill him in self-defence, everybody loses their minds." _-Frisk Undertale_

[@aaronking2020]

I dont really get this argument, cause the only time you really get guilt tripped for killing is if you kill Papyrus, who physically can't kill you

[@cooldude2794]

@@aaronking2020 physically can but wont

[@Bossfanboy]

If you fight a normal monster long enough, you can spare them

[@Santifanz]

​@@Bossfanboyyeah, how does that change anything?, he still tried to kill you first, if he dies while you are defending yourself its not your fault

[@Bossfanboy]

@@Santifanz If the momster surrenders, and you attack them anyways, is that defense?

[@jonathanalberto-nx6lu]

Kinda weird how pretty much all the monsters are very chill guys that simultaniosly try to kill you the moment they saw you

[@KaydanWestfall]

the only monster you should spare realistically is papyrus, because if its your first time fighting him and playing undertale you will die a couple of times, that and he doesn't kill you

[@Krupnik8]

Not really. He actively tries to kidnap you, and still hurts you.

[@themustachioedfish5988]

@@Krupnik8 To be fair, when you have him on the brink he DOES surrender. If he's running low on HP he'll do the really cool regular attack bit early, so he'll always spare you before you can actually kill him.

[@Krupnik8]

@@themustachioedfish5988 Yea, but if somebody tries to kidnap you in real life, you ain't gonna let that slide are you?

[@themustachioedfish5988]

@@Krupnik8 I mean, IRL I don't think I could bring myself to kill someone in that situation either. Like if someone's actively attacking I could probably do it but not if they're backing off.

[@Krupnik8]

@@themustachioedfish5988 Oh well, uh. I don't really know what to type now... Have a good afternoon(?)

[@thebiolibrary5572]

a lot of monsters are actively trying to beat up or kill the human but at the same time napstablook, the amalgamates and basically every random encounter until core are there to just shoot bullets without any real intent to kill you. i think monsters just aren't at any risk of killing each other with bullets, but humans (frisk and clover specifically for being player characters) can get hit by them. i think a similar idea applies to darkners, a lot of them don't seem to have any reason to kill the heroes besides the prophecy, being hired by the guys who want to stop the prophecy, jevil wanting to commit murder for kicks and spamton specifically wanting kris' [HEART SHAPED OBJECT] so he can be 100% off.

[@autismspectrum4279]

The only morally correct ending is papyrus lives while everyone else dies.

[@bucko2356]

This was my issue with undertale, you are the bad guy when you kill the monsters when they try to murder you so they can steal your soul.

[@steveminecraft5887]

You aren't really the bad guy? You still have many chances to befriend monsters or be seen as a normal person by most of the underground. It only visibly makes you the bad guy when you purposefully kill everyone you can see, no self defense in mind. Hell doing stuff like killing Toriel won't even make her mad at you.

[@TheEddResult]

i love the frisk hat kid sprite, super funny

[@michaeldoerrler2363]

Neutral is justified, true pacifist is summed by by flowey in part of his geno dialog "i solved all of their problems flawlessly" true pacifist is the perfect ending, not the realisitic one, since its impossible to get on a first playthrough before seeing a neutral ending.

[@Shadow-yh5qo]

The crazy part is the fact that you can spare everyone in the game on the first playthrough. You can get through the entire underground without Killing anyone on a first playthrough, it's just that you can't get through a first playthrough without fighting anyone. You have to fight Asgore and Flowey, those are the only two monsters you can't avoid fighting, minus Undyne if you count the fake punch, which I don't.

[@prosto_a_user]

Fun Fact: Since UT will always remember that you have completed a route before, there's a shortcut to Undyne's letter, leading straight to True Pacifist

[@Shadow-yh5qo]

@@prosto_a_user That's only true in the case of a genocide run, because even a true reset doesn't completely get rid of a genocide run.

[@rascaltherascal]

@@Shadow-yh5qo all you have to do is a truer reset which is deleting everything in the UNDERTALE folder

[@bana8736]

since everyone is going at it in the comments here's a quick reminder that in the actual game they way the flowey tells you to do the pacifist route here is by straight up telling you there's another ending. the way he words it implies that sparing everyone is just a test of mental strength and he never actually brings up whether or not it's justified in this portion of the game toriel's really the main one who doesn't really want you to kill anyone, and flowey is just guilt tripping you throughout the game because he's a prick. can you really blame someone like undyne for being mad when you kill someone? a lot of those monsters are her friends. biased as she is her dialogue implies she still is aware that you're a hell of a lot stronger than the average monster sans' judgements are pretty reasonable. when you do pacifist he mentions its pretty clear that it was out of determination rather than naivety.

[@dandyspacedandy]

in fairness, the game isnt totally against your decision in neutral runs, its specifically flowey that wants you to try and be better for his ulterior motives, and sans being aware of the concept of resetting, wanting you to take advantage of that ability and give the underground the best timeline it can get. still though, i wish monsters would be more apologetic about attacking you. im not totally convinced the book in snowdin is trying to convince you that the monsters were just chillin with harmful magic attacks going everywhere. toriel warns you that monsters would consciously try and kill you, and thats exactly what happens. so i wish that when you spare them and see them again later in the overworld or in following encounters, that they'd apologize for their behavior. and aslo that they'd stop fucking attacking as soon as they become sparable, it makes zero sense to me that they keep targeting and hurting your soul after becoming friendly

[@magic2546]

I feel you on that last point. There would be times where I get hit or die after meeting the sparing conditions, and I would just think "why are you even still attacking me?"

[@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051]

@@magic2546 Deltatraveler (fan-game) did this very well, because after sparing all monsters in a room, they never attack you again. They become talkable too.

[@Caspff]

When you think about it, this game literally punishes us just for defending ourselves

[@nathanpierce7681]

i love the idea that flowey agrees with frisk on some level about the whole "their magic is actively dangerous to be around unless they go through the effort to make it harmless" but is willing to gaslight them into thinking they're in the wrong so that he can ultimately become asriel

[@TarnishedIsaac-dh3sh]

frisk is literally a freaking god who can resist bombs, fire, swords and blasters without express any emotion or look damaged and immortality ,meanwhile, monsters died by a stick BY A STICK

[@helio3928]

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[@AmbyrRavyn]

Justice for the fallen children!

[@massgunner4152]

That's the funny thing about undertale, is not really about the morality of your actions but about the cause and effects of a cosmic time hopper toying with an isolated loop in time.

[@omnicrete7470]

Frisk a literal child getting stabbed/burned/shot defends themselves The game: Time to go to the BAD PERSON CORNER

[@robertwyatt3912]

They don’t get hurt, their soul does.

[@Бобёр-ю8г]

@@robertwyatt3912 and _their_ soul is a part of...?

[@robertwyatt3912]

@@Бобёр-ю8г nothing. You literally see it leave their body every time a battle begins

[@HumanoidDerpling]

@@robertwyatt3912 Bro, that's not literally what happens. The battle system is all symbolic, and the soul obviously represents Frisk.

[@TEMP-vm1mt]

@@HumanoidDerpling no it doesn’t characters such as papyrus mentioning the red heart during the hangout and other monsters make active reference to the battle menu it’s not just a symbolic, or game mechanic thing

[@mushroomfusion245]

Flowey only wanting Frisk to be nice because he realized that’s the only way he can get all of the other monsters’ souls is hilariously in character of him.

[@kirby47897]

I think that a lot of neutral routes are justified, but geno and some of it’s aborted neutral runs aren’t, because in those, frisk ACTIVELY HUNTS the monsters down

[@gamercentral2417]

Real.

[@MustafaIbrahim-rk6dj]

Basically, high LV neutrals aren't justified and genocide isn't, the game says this itself, during sanses judgement, if you have LV 2 he doesn't blame you

[@OmegaChase1002]

If I knew these monsters wanted to exterminate my entire race, I'd hunt them down too to protect humanity. And Frisk does know this. Geno route is mostly justified. It only stops being justified when you target Jerry or Monster Kid. And it only becomes harmful to humanity once you find out Chara betrays Frisk.

[@kirby47897]

@@OmegaChase1002 so basically what you’re saying is Committing genocide on people who BY LAW are required to attack you and your people is justified because their king made that law You also basically said Genocide is ok because he started it!

[@OmegaChase1002]

@@kirby47897 none of the town npcs seem to be facing consequences for not attacking you so whats the field monsters excuse

[@MilanesaConPure]

Now that i think about it, it's actually insane the monster died to a kid, Frisk is, like, not even a teenager in the game i believe. Imagine if someone like Kris could get there, they'll be cooked no diff, maybe Sans or Asgore not but i doubt it

[@TheSilly6403]

I like how everyone thinks this book has deep lore implications when it's likely just a Touhou reference

[@magic2546]

Fr. Even before I got into Touhou I interpreted that line as just party tricks with water magic or something. It's not that hard to imagine magic being used for both fun and combat.

[@TheSilly6403]

@@magic2546 Koishi! Also yeah, I like the idea of monsters playing dodgeball with non-harmful magic just like in Touhou where a lot of Danmaku is said to feel like getting hit with a dodgeball

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

There’s also a lying book that says humans can’t use magic, despite humans literally using magic to make the barrier. Monster history is spotty at best. Can’t even spell Library right and you expect me to trust them with history?

[@Wherearethenukes45]

Frisk has a right to defend themself

[@femo3336]

Shut UP Israël supporter

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

Thank you! That’s what I’ve been saying! What the game tells me and what’s actually happening are two completely different things!

[@Raidsage]

That’s cool but I express myself via the fight button after someone just tried to incinerate me

[@FireyDeath4]

Lol, it's like in Touhou but actually deadly

[@magic2546]

Pretty much.

[@tarvoc746]

No one can convince me that Shyren has any kind of murderous intent, lol.

[@enthusiasticallydry]

the papyrus interjections are what make this great

[@rain12723]

The most realistic play through of Undertale is one where you basically beat every monster into sparing range, and if they don't surrender, you kill them. Toriel goes out of her way not to fight you so she lives Papyrus surrenders when you get him low enough The dogs all attack you very armed so they die Undyne dies for the same reason the dogs do Metatton probably lives since you really don't want to commit a murder on a celebrity on live television Asgore is killed because we don't have a choice there Flowey is definitely killed because he deserves it

[@stm7810]

counterpoint, dogs are soft. always pet the dogs.

[@AiGeneratedWaluigi]

Papyrus canonically wouldn’t be able to be beaten though, more realistic is that either you live through his attacks or get beaten up 3 times

[@ahmethacikasimoglu5819]

Metaton is a jerk tho

[@re-blitz]

Frisk shoulda just scratched on the doors to the ruins like a cat let out of the house if they weren’t prepared for the danger of the underground

[@nathanskretkowicz4705]

I could already tell that this was going to be hilarious before even watching. And it was.

[@potatofarmer9488]

Humans have much lower hp then monsters, so monsters attacking other monsters won't do much harm.

[@michaeldoerrler2363]

Monsters also have much lower defense, at least in the files. In game, frisk starts with 10 defense, which is subtracted by 10 in the menu as you level up to the point where you gain defense naturally, but lorewise frisk has 0 at and df and lv 1, so they're incredibly weak compared to even frog it and whim sum. 20 hp is nothing compared to most monsters, as you stated, and frisks nonexistent defense only makes things worse. Most of the other comments are pretty accurate too.

[@mr.explodey6745]

i love jokes that only go so hard after 9 years of fandom marination

[@draconis191]

1:06 i heard the Subspace Tripmine sound

[@icenovice]

y'know what's absolutely hilarious is that 80-90% of the monsters you fight don't know you're a human and therefore aren't, like, actually trying to kill you *you're just that weak* now imagine if they actually *were* trying to kill you

[@stm7810]

yeah, like Undyne is half blind and still kicks your butt just by trying, Muffet isn't trained in any way, the power of Sans is that he's trying.

[@TheFatedFour]

I've always imagined that's what a hard mode would actually be for Undertale - in a Toby Fox fashion, maybe flowey puts a taped sign on your back that says "I'm human" and tips off the monsters who then actually try

[@L1MBO12]

nothing a little LOVE can't fix

[@Turmoil-TheKoopaKiller]

I'm just that weak, until I get that LEVEL OF VIOLENCE! WOOU!

[@GamerB2022LikesTugs]

Missed opportunity to say “friendliness pellets”

[@yespetahirememberthetime89]

This is THE Frisk voice

[@wintercrystal5756]

The best counter argument against this the fact that you literally cannot die. To quote Sans: “If you have some sort of special power… isn’t it your responsibility to do the right thing?”

[@Cubicflow]

It may be the "best counter" but it definitely does not invalidate it

[@charlesm6819]

The best counter argument against this is the fact that dying is really traumatic for a child, fucking hurts and they don't know that.

[@Vi3Voide]

there's also the fact that monsters usually become spare-able when they're on low enough HP

[@Grover-the-GOAT-of-the-series]

My counter is if ur the royal judge shouldn't u be able to judge others and not just one child who is younge and only seen violence in the underground

[@Mrsir529]

dying kinda hurts tho

[@spineratack8470]

Mfs when they say 'bro the player has the option to spare,they have to do it so',bro a damn bunch of monsters wants to kill the shit out of a kid,and do i have to give all of em mercy in return?hell naw

[@TotallyNotFanatic25]

jesus christ type thing. if someone hits your cheek, let them hit another. strange logic, assuming that Frisk is a child, not a monk who would just endure everything thrown at them without doing anything in return. i'm pretty sure that if Frisk didn't have prepared ACTions, they wouldn't have known what to do with monsters to make them spare them. like how Frisk can flirt, joke, compliment and etc. someone who literally are beating them to death? so when people saying "there is mercy button so you should spare them", it applies solely on a player, not on a frisk from lore side.

[@re-blitz]

They just messing around, it’s not they’re fault you die from a brisk touch of a soap bubble due to being human :[ Very few characters know you’re a human (Those being Asgore, sans, papyrus, undyne, and Gerson) with only 2 of those having bad intentions, one of which _cries while having to do it_

[@Rogueboss2budgetedition]

if you were a monster im pretty sure youd attack frisk, idk if i would be very kind to the race that commited genocide and sealed my kind underground in a death prison with no escape but human souls.

[@Rogueboss2budgetedition]

​@@TotallyNotFanatic25if you were a monster im pretty sure youd attack frisk, idk if i would be very kind to the race that commited genocide and sealed my kind underground in a death prison with no escape but human souls.

[@TotallyNotFanatic25]

@@Rogueboss2budgetedition and you'd be wrong. if i was a monster, i wouldn't have known Frisk was a human, since war happened long time ago, and most of monsters don't even know how humans look like. for me Frisk could be a weird monster and that's it. i'm also not a biased thing, would be cautious around a human, but not a mad lad who just attacks just because of old grudge of my own kind, smh

[@jasonjasso666]

I used to believe monsters in Undertale were hypocritical in attacking the human, but now I see the matter through the context of racial division and a people forced to such extremes because of their oppressors. If your people were trapped and the only KNOWN way to set them free was to kill 7 of the opposition, you’d be a fool to let 7 live for the price of 100s continuously suffering. It’s like the Batman not killing the Joker thing, in the specific sense that not killing is the worst option. While Undertale does encourage sparing and pacifism, it’s not blind to the fact these things get messy sometimes. Perhaps monsters shouldn’t be so eager to kill a human they don’t know, but similarly perhaps a descendent of the humans should be the one to show kindness first, righting a wrong in a way.

[@Hazewhite]

why should a kid that had nothing to do with the events that got the monster trapped be the one to accept people trying to kill them

[@santiagojoaquinrojas9435]

Counterpoint: they could have just let them die of natural causes

[@yoji5759]

@@Hazewhite Its sheer desperation, the monsters are suffering in the underground and the only hope they have is Asgore's plan to get the human souls. Without that they are basically condemned to an extremely sad and bleak existence for the rest of their lives. 7 lives for the lives of hundreds of your people, including your family and loved ones. Its a very multifaceted complex issue and thats what makes Undertale so great

[@СемёнЮгов-в7ю]

"Thing is, kid, you were able to run away when things got too hard." - Sans (TS!Underswap, Evacuation Route)

[@lightingangel4062]

wow.. honestly, this made my day..♥

[@AwesomeGamer-om4hm]

IIRC, the sprite in 0:20 is meant to be a Kanako who wound up with a fate similar to Asirel's/Flowey's.

[@loganjohnson2463]

In all seriousness I do kinda wish Undertale itself brought this up. I love it’s message but I don’t like how they had to simplify this very morally grey part it to just-“violence bad. Absolute pacifism good.”

[@abdillahahmad7025]

Sans did mention that you have a ✨special power✨ (read: save/load power; determination) so it's your responsibility to do the "right thing".

[@Cubicflow]

@@abdillahahmad7025 cool that doesn't invalidate what the video brings up though

[@ChrolloMana]

​@@abdillahahmad7025No it's not i do whatever i want to 💀

[@fsplace1238]

@@ChrolloMana so by your logic you could murder an entire family because you do whatever you want to, and still be justified, right?

[@sketchyedgie8862]

​@@fsplace1238 it'd be more like, it's not my responsibility to go out of my way to spare my would be murder just because I technically can.

[@jason256-8]

I express my love towards some of the monsters from Undertale. There’s some cute ones here, hot ones there, and my personal preferences are Mad Mew Mew, Temmie and Muffet (from only the classic Undertale).

[@BrenninEthan903]

The argument of “you attacked first, so you’re wrong.” Is literally the dumbest thing ever. Idk about you, but if someone walked up to me with a weapon with the intent to hurt me and I got first move, I’m attacking before I can get harmed. I’d like to see you wait to get hit first, have fun being in pain while trying to fight back, or bleeding out on the floor! “They surrendered after you beat them up.” Wish I can say the same for myself, they seem willing to annihilate me instantly with no hesitation. And no, some random 10 year old shouldn’t be responsible for taking beatings just to spare monsters, or fixing a bunch of personal issues some of them have, and especially freeing them all BECAUSE of the sole reason of having the power to restart and refuse death. I can imagine dying still hurts, and is scarring for a child, guilt tripping a literal 10 year (looking at you mainly, Sans) because they didn’t use their power the way YOU wanted them to is not your place to judge. I wouldn’t blame Frisk for wanting to kill monsters even more after dying. If Frisk kept doing genocide on purpose over and over, THEN you’d have a point. I don’t see anyone trashing this hard on Asriel/Flowey for this, considering he had this power once too, yet never used it to amount to anything.

[@TEMP-vm1mt]

@@BrenninEthan903 “ I don’t see anyone trashing on asriel/flowey for this” probably because Flowey didn’t have a soul and didn’t have the capacity to feel regret or love, and though it’s true, you’re not morally obligated to spare them, you don’t really lose anything from sparing them, so yeah it’s overall better to just spare them at low hp I don’t know about you but if I was attacked, then beat up my attacker, and they were begging me to let them go, I would probably let them go (or alternatively call the police but that’s not applicable in UT), and walk/run away, not my problem anymore

[@BrenninEthan903]

@@TEMP-vm1mt they still attack after being separable, so it’s still considered self defense in that case. They don’t beg for their lives either. They also don’t care if Frisk is near death. Killing them would make Frisk stronger, I can see Frisk wanting to not take any chances on dying more and more, and wanting to be prepared for future battles.

[@TEMP-vm1mt]

@@BrenninEthan903 they still attack after their name turning yellow true, however the fight still ends with YOUR turn, it’s still entirely up to you to kill them, and while they don’t beg for their lives, their name is in yellow, which could just be a game mechanic but since multiple characters acknowledge the fact that we control the soul in battles, I’m also inclined to believe it’s not just a game mechanic, also while they don’t spare frisk at low hp, that doesn’t make it right for frisk to do the same thing as the monsters, 2 wrongs don’t make a right, whatever happened to being the bigger person??? Also I didn’t address this earlier, but you mention frisk doing genocide on purpose, however you can’t really do genocide on accident (you have to kill 20 Monsters in the ruins to even start the route), and in genocide, any defense for frisk flies out the window, after snowdin they’re straight up smiling when they find a monster

[@BrenninEthan903]

@@TEMP-vm1mt never said genocide could be done on accident though, really don’t know why you mentioned that. Not sure if being the bigger person can apply to this dangerous life or death situation where every monster wants to kill you, I really only meant Frisk killing monsters they meet to get stronger, so neutral. Also, I don’t think the player is a character in Undertale, people only have been saying that because of Deltarune, which are two separate games, but this is a whole new topic and we’ll be here all day talking about that.

[@TEMP-vm1mt]

@@BrenninEthan903 sorry I misunderstood the Geno comment, the way you said on purpose over and over, kinda implied it could be done on accident

[@thefirebeanie5481]

Expressing there selves with bullets ✨magic bullets✨

[@icenovice]

magic and bullet patterns are the monsters' favorite form of self-expression, snowflake their birthday cards are "average sans battle fangames" (which is actually way cooler than our birthday cards) (also yeah that's canon they have bullet pattern birthday cards) also i absolutely cracked up at the pyrope part

[@stm7810]

yeah, it's like if someone secretly made of sugar got into a water fight, or someone with a nut alergy showed up at my place without warning. the difference between guards and civilians is guards know your magic alergy.

[@TEMP-vm1mt]

Counterargument: it takes less effort to spare monsters than kill, them, froggit? Just compliment them once to spare, otherwise hit them twice to kill, Whismun: literal first turn spare, Loox: Don’t pick on them, and it takes like 4 turns to kill them, Vegitoid? Eat green bullet once, I could go on, but I’ve made my point. Besides most monsters spare you when their hp is low enough so self defense doesn’t really even apply

[@arthurdias6860]

Maybe it’s mostly the bosses that even though have their motives still go out of their way to hunt and kill you

[@TEMP-vm1mt]

@@arthurdias6860 fair enough but the video makes reference to random encounter monsters such as pyrope, and the royal guard dogs take like 1 or 2 pets for the most part, the exception being greater dog and the dogi

[@maximodubs4189]

They still attack when spareable, Self Defense still applied

[@TEMP-vm1mt]

@@maximodubs4189 not really because you would still have the knowledge that you can spare them, if you know you can spare them even if they’re attacking you and you choose the kill them anyway that’s not self defense

[@steveminecraft5887]

@@maximodubs4189 If you have the option to end the battle early with people with intelligent mental emotions and likely a family without anyone getting hurt, and still choose to go through and kill them, thats hardly self defense. There was a way out where both parties would go without less pain, even if you fight in self defense first theyll still eventually give you the option to spare them before they die or you get attacked more

[@v3nomshank]

the counter argument to this is literally Papyrus

[@Mrsir529]

He says something along the lines of “BUT IF I CAPTURE YOU, THEY WON’T LET YOU GO…” “AGH! WHO CARES? JUST GIVE UP ALREADY!”

[@goommooster7572]

to be fair in the case of killing papyrus, he only spares you if you’re literally at 1 HP. sure, it’s better than being *killed*, but it’s not like papyrus is 100% innocent just because he always ends up sparing you at the last second. we also don’t really have much reason to trust he wouldn’t continue to be a threat. we get insanely lucky in his puzzles with him accidentally making a trail for the electric maze puzzle that would otherwise be extremely painful, the tile puzzle being incredibly easy and papyrus deciding against the gauntlet of deadly terror at the last second. we don’t even get lucky in the ice puzzle, we’re only surviving more than one attempt of the ice puzzle because frisk can’t take fall damage. toriel would also be a reason not to trust papyrus, since she was probably the most trustable person in the underground at this point of the game, but as soon as you try to leave she beats you up.

[@End_Productions]

​@@goommooster7572You actually physically cannot kill him until he stops fighting though. There is no way you can kill Papyrus before he shouts to you that he is done fighting and ready to let you go

[@TEMP-vm1mt]

⁠@@goommooster7572I mean his puzzles aren’t really dangerous, I don’t think luck has anything to do with it, even if you intentionally run into the electric wall, you won’t lose any HP, meaning it isn’t really harmful, regardless, he spares you on low hp, you can’t claim self defense if the person you’re attack backs off immediately

[@Positron001]

​@goommooster7572 Of course Toriel's gonna be extremely hesitant to let you leave, she lost eight children/loved ones. Idk if the other souls were kids or not.

[@romaplay630]

1:45 IS THAT IS THAT A DER FREUCHEITZ REFERENCE IS THAT A PROJECT MOON REFERENCE.

[@HexKris-Real]

Im here before this blows up

[@Mugawl]

I feel like the people that genuinely think this forget how like Multiple undertale monsters know that you can reset. The game knows you can reset, and the fact that you aren't just a 5 year old. And that the game literally tells you "Stop acting like it's self defense you literally feel no pain and can't die you are literally the god of this world. You hold a bigger responsibility to be the better person"

[@shmasonwhatever3756]

this sure isn’t the first time i’ve seen a flame war start in a youtube comments section, and it definitely won’t be the last in all seriousness though how do people justify child murder (if said child isn’t themselves a murderer)

[@stm7810]

petting, flexing near by, healing, giving food, straight up love hearts etc aren't attacks you're just harmed by magic since you lack it.

[@Rogueboss2budgetedition]

if you were a monster im pretty sure youd attack frisk, idk if i would be very kind to the race that commited genocide and sealed my kind underground in a death prison with no escape but human souls.

[@Turmoil-TheKoopaKiller]

​@@stm7810How do they not see the child getting hurt from that?

[@TEMP-vm1mt]

@@Turmoil-TheKoopaKiller I mean considering all the attacks are hitting the soul and not the body (The characters make several references to you controlling the heart so it’s not just a game mechanic) it might be harder to tell

[@TEMP-vm1mt]

@@shmasonwhatever3756 No one saying the monsters are justified in doing what they do, child murder is bad, but that doesn’t give the excuse to murder in return

[@valentinecure329]

THANK YOU

[@fruitloops2058]

It does feel like the "expressing themselves" part feels a bit taked on. You should spare monsters because they're not truly evil and you're a time traveller who can undo your death and change the world for the better, i think that's enough justification.

[@magic2546]

I think it's more like people are taking that sentence the wrong way. When I read that line I just assumed it ment something along the lines of Toriel doing party tricks with fire, or even just cooking with it. It's just that she can simultaneously use that fire for combat. I think the game was just trying to say that magic can be used for both self expression and confrontation. It just didn't state the confrontation part because well...that's kind of obvious.

[@fruitloops2058]

​@@magic2546 you're honestly right

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

Okay what about the other 6?

[@FastKnight401]

the time travelling thing isn't really valid. First, it fails on the grounds of assuming self-defence only applies when your life is in danger, which is not true. Anytime someone's under threat of being physically hurt, or otherwise in any danger, self-defence can, and usually does, apply. In this case, it doesn't matter if Frisk is under threat of being killed, they're still getting hurt from each attack and getting hurt from dying. Self-defence most certainly applies to Frisks situation. The second argument I have is that Frisk can't actually save as long as they wish, sort of. In the game, you do have infinite reloads, but canonically, Frisk is capable of dying permanently. Flowey states in genocide when he played around with the save thing that he could've left the world and let it go on without him, but as long as he was determined to live, he would be able to reload. The ability to reload is dependent on determination. If Frisk loses their determination to live, they will not be able to reload their save file once they die. This is very relevant in the case of death loops. There are many cases where Frisk may get trapped in a death loop with seemingly no way out (Undyne, Mettaton, royal guards). Each hit is Frisk getting hurt. Each death puts a toll on Frisk. Even if Frisk can heal the wounds, the psychological effects cannot be reversed. The psychological effects from constantly getting hurt and dying is definitely capable of overwhelming Frisk, which could lead to Frisk losing their determination to live. Once that happens, Frisk cannot reload. So technically, Frisk is in danger of death. Every single time Frisk dies is 1 step closer to losing that determination. Now, Frisk never actually loses determination in the game due to gameplay limitations, but it is there in the lore. You could argue that Frisk will never lose the determination to live, but that's debatable. Frisk certainly isn't going to know how long their determination will last. The fact that Frisk is getting physically hurt is enough to warrant self defence. The fact that Frisk can lose their determination means they really do have to be careful about how far they go in pacifism. In many cases, it's just not worth going through all combinations of acts to find one that works. For all Frisk knows, it could be a matter of life or death.

[@MotorcycleCheetah]

@ That’s actually a good point! Can you imagine how psychologically damaging dying and coming back to life can be? Only to die again? They’re basically torturing Frisk.

[@КрутоусОстап]

Now if Flowey was placed with Player... Then I would laugh.

[@redactedinfo8557]

i don't think the point of undertale was ever that "killing isn't justified", but moreso "violence isn't always the answer." pacifist to me has always been a story about rising above conflict and looking on both sides of the situation. killing monsters is 100% justified on your end, they're attacking you and self-defense is something that is perfectly rational. but considering what they've been through and what they're trying to accomplish killing you is also 100% justified on THEIR end. so until someone rises above this and works out a solution that helps everyone, the war between humans and monsters is going to be a continuous cycle of bloodshed with no good ending in sight. a justified action =/= best course of action also i think a lot of people are forgetting something about the monsters - when they were sealed underground they didn't immediately go into "human killing" mode, they tried to live in peace. asriel's death was the straw that broke the camel's back - that's when asgore decided that they need to take back what they lost. there's some friendly monsters, as in NPCs as well that are only there to have a chat with or sell things. gerson, sans, burgerpants, the temmies... it's just this. if the monsters win? well humanity is basically doomed. got a neutral ending? monsters are doomed to more lifetimes of suffering. pacifist ending? both sides finally make peace and live in harmony on the surface - and that's the kind of ending to strive for.

[@magic2546]

100% correct. I'm not sure if I'm using this term correctly, but I think a lot of people here are suffering from media illiteracy, and are only seeing the game under a black and white lens.

[@gamre_kitty_kai]

1:03 why is no one talking about the straight up homestuck sprite here bro

[@clayjay2753]

Thats what ticked me off the most... I never understood why Monster need an "ability" to express themselves via dangerous attacks and shit, instead of simply talking in the beginning. They only do the talking when the battle is going for long or when you do genocide, which is stupid tbf

[@magic2546]

I kind of just assumed magic was used for both self expression and combat. I don't understand why that's so hard to comprehend.

[@clayjay2753]

@@magic2546 Well thats my problem, why do they need magic to express themselves. Why cant they express themselves with words?

[@magic2546]

@@clayjay2753 Let me make myself more clear. There are likely non lethal ways to use magic in order to express yourself. Napstablook might even prove this if you look at his "sorry, not feeling up to it right now" attack. But sense most enemies are actively trying to kill you, they use lethal magic instead.

[@clayjay2753]

@@magic2546 No dude you dont get what I meant, I asked WHY do they need to resort to magic in order to express themselves, not HOW they do it.

[@magic2546]

@@clayjay2753 Is there any reason they can't use magic to express themselves? It was just an extra bit of flavor text to add world building. I don't understand why you're acting like that can't exist for some reason.

[@kiffley]

Papyrus didn’t do anything wrong he just puts you in YOUR PRISON BOX

[@Thankedsphere99]

Then Undyne comes and fucking murders you.

[@kiffley]

@@Thankedsphere99 papyrus spent a long by time making that prison cell. His feelings are hurt

[@Thankedsphere99]

Even if they are unaware, killing them would still be self defence. Also SURELY most of them are smart enough to know that what they are doing is injuring you.

[@DanialTarki]

Yeah, I can see that as an adult Frisk voice.

[@Bossfanboy]

The monsters attack you because they want to be free and because they think humans are evil. Undyne shows this. That doesn't justify their attacks to Frisk, but the pacifist route is literally us showing the monsters that not all humans are evil, and that they don't need to fight.

[@Bossfanboy]

You can also self defend, as if you lower a monster's hp enough, they will spare you.

[@Emuotori_fr]

not at all, since most of the monsters don't know how a human looks like undyne for example never fought a human before, she just knew how a human looks like because of anime lol

[@Bossfanboy]

@@Emuotori_fr Huh.

[@Bossfanboy]

@@Emuotori_fr To be entirely honest it's not stated which monsters recognize humans or not. I mean, it would make sense that the majority of monsters that recognize them are the ones that attack you, while the ones that don't are the NPC s and Vulkin

[@Emuotori_fr]

@@Bossfanboy The argument that they fight you because they need your soul to come to the surface is valid and makes a lot of sense, until you have Dogami and Dogaresa who end up believing that you are a puppy. (and they are part of the Royal guard), Gerson knows you're human but he doesn't try to fight you or anything. So a half of the argument falls apart a bit because it means that there are monsters facing you for what reason if they don't even know you're a human?

[@lakthederg]

the only monsters that are innocent are toriel (its very hard to get her to kill you), papyrus (he literally CANT kill you) and whimsum (he just dips after 1 action)

[@TheCryingOne]

1:51 A HAT IN TIME! ❤

[@Sparsh011]

human kid

[@Bob64ds]

Please make more content like this! I love it!

[@ccarmilluwallpa]

Nah, Undertale's core meaning has a SERIOUS problem. I can't do anything else but agree.

[@trendon2254]

Love the Hat Frisk sprite

[@PotatioBaconio]

Holy media illiteracy.

[@hollowboy5899]

Martlet to Clover on the Genocide route:

[@AGuyOnTheInternet562]

The fact Papyrus is the only one that should be logically spared is saying something

[@SpacedOut925]

Nahhh the new fairly odd parents kid XDDDD THIS DESERVES MORE VIEWS

[@DonutCrumb323]

1:49 Who tf is that

[@Arandominternettravler]

The replacement for Timmy Turner from the Fairly Odd Parents reboot.

[@sharkjumpingwalrus6744]

It's more that monsters speak with said bullets, kind of how Danmaku in Touhou is supposed to be magic wrestling. Turns out being made of magic means that it's hard for magic to hurt you, and most monsters don't know what humans look like given how long it's been. While avoiding manslaughter is still reason to fight back, it does make lethal force overkill.

[@theopenrift]

This has serious "the Empire was right" vibes lmao

[@ubcroel4022]

They always came at him in a public situation and made him defend his own life, even if he wasn't happy with the devastation. Also, humanity first; xenos never.

[@Thankedsphere99]

FRISK IS GENDER NEUTRAL, HOW DARE YOU!!11!!1!1!1!! 😡🤬😡😡🤬😡😡😭🤬🤬😭😡😡🤬😭😭😭😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@Reginald_Ritmo]

The #1 problem with Undertale's message is those Monsters *ABSOLUTELY* had it coming. Like, there's nothing innocent about them!

[@dynamitoriel9056]

I mean pretty sure 80-90% of those monster didn't even know Frisk is Human

[@Reginald_Ritmo]

@@dynamitoriel9056 PFF they just see a kid and decide to throw hands.

[@stm7810]

@@Reginald_Ritmo in what universe is offering lunch, mildly insulting you, singing, washing, healing, or petting a violent attack? you're just super allergic to magic, it's like a kid made of sugar in a water fight.

[@Rogueboss2budgetedition]

if you were a monster im pretty sure youd attack frisk, idk if i would be very kind to the race that commited genocide and sealed my kind underground in a death prison with no escape but human souls.

[@Rogueboss2budgetedition]

Friendly reminder that humans commited GENOCIDE(it was a genocide rather than a war because the humans started it, they killed thousands of monsters and no humans were killed) on monsters and sealed them in a death prison with no escape but human souls all because they were scared "but the monsters could destroy humanity!" That does not excuse genocide.

[@femo3336]

The media litteracy is dead *echo*

[@the3bros231]

the Hazel pic got me dead bro

[@Wherearethenukes45]

I just realised the monsters heavily resemble hamas: -attack first in order to "free themselves and get their land back" -play the victim when the one they try to kill fights back.

[@femo3336]

Oh so you approve of thé killing of innocent ?got that.

[@KiiBon]

Your just described them in a way that resembles Israel

[@femo3336]

@@KiiBon yeah lmao

[@yoji5759]

Isnt this literally just Israel?? 😭