The Morbid Reasons Why the Republic Fell LONG Before the Battle of Coruscant

The Republic turned to the Empire a looooong time before Palpy made his epic senate speech. In this episode, we delve further into the topic.
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[@geetslys]

We know you boys like the background music. We make it. Here’s our channel for it: kzbin.info

[@literallyJOIR]

Will it help me with middle school

[@lachbullen8014]

Did you do this video because of recent events due to someone whose name shall not be mentioned DT

[@andrewryan5798]

Still people often overlook the fact the republic had a thousand years to fix theses issues and this was when the sith weren’t in power now the sith maybe had something to do with it but it ONLY two of them so they couldn’t be everywhere at once now I would say the republic became complacent and the fact they didn’t immediately wipe out slavery while they had a military just shows you they didn’t care about anyone but themselves or where in on it and the Jedi while well meaning were blinded by arrogance and are nearly the same as the sith hence why anikan says I see through the lies of the Jedi because he saw as the rest of the galaxy did that they were same thing to prove this the Jedi 1: do nothing about slavery Support political parties who do hukk wars not sure if I spelled it right this is the story how general gervious became a cyborg 2: they where hell bent on killing anyone that disagreed with the order and or removed rival orders Declared you a dark Jedi or sith (heresy) and would send Jedi to kill you because they feel threatened by you Kidnapping children started major wars Be a ((Democracy)) aka one that only pretends to care about the people Sith 1: started major wars 2: hell bent on killing anyone that disagreed with them or was a rival to them 3: of you were a Jedi they would for one kill you outright 4: kidnapping children clone wars thank you for pointing that out with cad bane and all Started major wars would send sith or assassins to kill you Supported slavery Be a dictatorship

[@JayVanSaxman]

Love the background music keep it up

[@HeinzFugenstie]

What is the background music of three battles the 501st won?

[@ryaquaza3offical]

Star Wars fans: “Wait, it’s all the Empire?” Maul: “it aways has been”

[@JeanLucCaptain]

funny how Obi-Wan failed to mention ANY OF THIS TO LUKE.

[@valer119]

@@JeanLucCaptain That's because he never really figured it out.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

@@valer119 Well he clearly never learned the lessons that brought the Jedi down.

[@Kez_DXX]

Republic Common? Nah, I speak Imperial Common.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

@@Kez_DXX PALPATINE FOR 2021!

[@starwarsmine1239]

"The Jedi fell long before the purge."

[@Eruptor1000]

Fact

[@Kez_DXX]

They couldn't see the Sith threat looming overhead like a 2500 lb steel beam ready to fall.

[@Werrf1]

The Jedi spent a thousand years preparing to fight the last war.

[@preciousotoakhia9789]

How did the Jedi fall before the purge there where 10,000

[@starwarsmine1239]

@@preciousotoakhia9789 They fell because they lost their way, they sacrificed their doctrine to try and win the Clone War. They became way to intertwined with the galactic government to the point where the Senate was dictating the Jedi Councils decisions. Like during Ahsoka's trial, the council didn't want to convict her, but the Senate and Tarkin wanted to convict her, so the council convicted her to appease the Senate. That's how they feel.

[@jamesharden3timedpoy466]

Last time I was this early Palpatine wasn’t the senate

[@EdaugEthanbYT]

Palestine is a country though

[@jamesharden3timedpoy466]

Edaug-Ethanb YT auto correct will be the end of man kid

[@EdaugEthanbYT]

JAMES HARDEN 3time dpoy I agree with that

[@geetslys]

He’s always been the senate

[@VNM-Venom252]

Impossible

[@disgustedcharlie6679]

They fell because they didnt have the high ground early on.

[@geetslys]

It’s over, I have the high ground

[@namelesssomebody2557]

No moral high ground due to systemic corruption.

[@toby1061]

Notic Palpatine always take the high ground. In the senate, when in chairs, when jumping he is always trying to maintain the high ground.

[@JadeSpecter]

@@toby1061 because he knew that the one who has the high ground will attain Unlimited Power

[@Furonanator139]

They should've worn heels then they'd always have the high ground

[@nobleman9393]

Suggestion for future: What if both sides of the Clone Wars were using conscript armies instead of clones and droids?

[@VNM-Venom252]

The republic would win because they have a larger population than the separatists.

[@JediAcolyte94]

To be fair both the CIS and the Republic fielded conscripts. The Republic had the Antarian Rangers, Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Rahm Kota's and the Judicials. The CIS had the Quarren isolation league members, Morgukai warrior clones(Temporarily), and a few other local organic forces.

[@SoupRoutine]

Well, the conflict wouldn't be called "The Clone Wars" anymore, that's for sure.

[@VNM-Venom252]

Alexander Johnston it would probably be called the galactic civil war.

[@bradmorales4002]

@@JediAcolyte94 which books or comics do the Antarian Rangers, Sons and Daughters of freedom appear? The Morgukai appear in the old Clone Wars comics, Kota's militia on The Force Unleashed, Quarren Isolation League in both Legends and canon Clone Wars series.

[@solomonrivers5639]

Something I’ve only realized as I’ve gotten older is how unpopular the political sentiment found during episodes II & III was in 2001-2005 America. Like we joke about how cheesy some of the dramatic lines are, or Anakin quoting George W Bush, but that was borderline subversive for the time. Whether you agreed with him or not, you have to respect the stones on George Lucas that during a time when Americans were out for blood, the PATRIOT ACT, and certain Toby Keith songs on the radio, Lucas used the series that he will be remembered for to say something he believed (even if it was very unpopular at the time.)

[@EMcKelvyF]

Let's underline the Patriot Act there. It is literally the same as the acts that followed the creation of the GRA. At least the war with the separatists was a legal war that the Senate agreed to and wasn't an act of dictatorial power disregarding the vote.

[@DarkDesperado25]

One need only look at history to see that Empire's are born and die, not in days, or years, but decades, the cracks form long in advance, not inevitably fatal, almost all can be fixed, but when enough get missed, exploited, or bungled by a succession of bad luck, bad rule, or bad intent, the right or wrong move can bring it all down. Things were already shaping up before Palpy was even born, but he played it beautifully, don't let the first sentence take anything away from him, whatever flaws the Republic had weren't necessarily fatal until Palpy made them so .

[@RaynmanPlays]

*cough* Caesar *cough*

[@thomasbootham2707]

Empires can last along time if ran effectively such as the British empire which lasted a very long time

[@Orto-jj2di]

Ezra : Commander what were the seperatists fighting for? DC : According to my programming - freedom from the tyranny of the republic Ezra : Hmm fighting tyranny...sounds like the empire has always been your enemy

[@defalttheloner]

In fact they were, even the troops didn't changed as much too

[@Orto-jj2di]

@@defalttheloner that sucks indeed

[@chengzhou8711]

“I was very interested in the fall of the republic and the rise of the Galactic Empire. When Palpatine, supreme commander and the Republic’s highest executive authority tore off the visage of democracy to reveal his true desire for power, I knew that it was all finished. I thought the republic should’ve been providing for citizens’ welfare, but they oppress the lower class, political dissidents, and the non-humans. Heavy nationalization of industry, police-state legislation, and strengthening the executive branch and weakening the two other branches. Also, I can’t imagine Palpatine didn’t bribe so many people in the government to his advantage.” -CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion

[@geetslys]

There he is

[@comradekenobi6908]

Careful with your words Comrade Cheng, the PRC doesn't really like your actions

[@alpha-1730]

*Sheev Palpatine wants to know your location*

[@501ststormtrooper9]

CT-8711-12, I will report this to the ISB immediately.

[@carlycrays2831]

I know people say that Sidious wasn't racist himself, that his psychopathy wouldn't allow it, but how can he not be a tad be racist given just how pro-human his Empire was?

[@ianmaluk1]

Something to note as well, many characters in-universe will frequently talk about democracy when referring to the Republic. Meaning that few really understood the government of the Republic beyond a broad understanding. Which is basically a death sentence for Republics when their founding policies are forgotten by both its politicians and populace.

[@KandyBoy69]

What's horrifying is that people in real life at least in my country are pretty much the same.

[@jonathanmarcus1096]

The Republic died when they decided to effectively make the Palpatine the senate at the start of the war. Along with their decision to abuse child/man soldiers and force them to fight as a slave army. Seriously though, that’s one of the reasons I love the Clone Wars because there isn’t a morally justified or good side. Both sides are very gray leaning towards evil. But at least the vast majority of Clones were shown to be nice and very empathetic guys. Maybe that’s why Palpatine had them replaced

[@carlycrays2831]

Palpatine had they replaced because they were too expensive, he couldn't trust that they wouldn't be used against him in the future, and most importantly, he needed to give their jobs to normal people.

[@jonathanmarcus1096]

@@carlycrays2831 All true as well. Good points.

[@jonathanmarcus1096]

@Anne O'Nymous Yep

[@alejandroelluxray5298]

Actually clones were biologically and psycologically 20 year old men, so they weren't child soldiers

[@jonathanmarcus1096]

@@alejandroelluxray5298 Yeah that's true! I just meant they were strictly in terms of physical years of living. But yeah they're way more mentally and physically mature than a kid. They're not children physically or mentally-just in terms of how long they've existed in number of years.

[@indianajones4321]

This is where the fun begins

[@geetslys]

[@pyeitme508]

Well that explains a lot

[@EdaugEthanbYT]

Huh anyone notice how much the Republic is like the Roman Republic/Empire

[@geetslys]

🤔

[@comradekenobi6908]

It reminds me of China

[@azure9809]

@@comradekenobi6908 Reminds me of the United states

[@DeanmC261993]

I wouldve made that comparison but the roman empire still relied heavily upon the senate aproval in its first era, and towards it later eras it did too, however like star wars, rome was still huge and made most of its conquests even before it was an empire. Ironically that with rome if there was any institution that survived throughout its existence it WAS the senate.

[@justbbricks]

@Azure the parts about the Republic being bad is like how it is here in America.

[@alexanderk.9660]

When he says 'Enhanced Security and Enforcement Act' I hear 'Emergency Decree for the Protection of People and State', better known as Reichstag Fire Decree. Say what you will of the Prequels and TCW, but what it did in portraying the death of liberty was superb storytelling.

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

I hear USPATRIOT Act.

[@jeffreymeehan3116]

Lucas' problem was that his eyes were bigger than his stomach. He understands themes and "big picture" stuff as well as anyone that has ever worked in Hollywood and his politics are pretty good too. He is also the reigning God Emperor of the Establishment Shot. But he cannot connect that to the little things like dialogue. He is also a horrendous "actor's director". He tired to merge about a dozen of Shakespeare's best plays into one narrative while paralleling the first 50 years of the 20th century. And do it all by himself. That would be rough for a creative staff of hundreds. We know, because they have gotten a staff of hundreds together in the intervening years to clean up Lucas' mess.

[@SelfProclaimedEmperor]

@@jeffreymeehan3116 Disneys staff of hundreds has done worse than George Lucas.

[@jeffreymeehan3116]

@@SelfProclaimedEmperor No doubt. But if you take the opinion that TCW is the best Lucas Stuff, he really needed a staff of people who could properly check his ambitions and convince him that he is not an Auteur of Kurosawa's caliber. That was my point. And I like Filoni's Stuff even if it is under Disney.

[@rogersparker5875]

@@nicholasfarrell5981 yep gitmo,nsa,dhs whole thing

[@EthanMKim]

???: Have you ever heard of the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?

[@mangozzz4487]

It’s not a story the Jar Jars would tell you

[@xaniac2429]

@@mangozzz4487 It's a Sith Legend.

[@gabeholbrook7942]

No

[@xaniac2429]

@@gabeholbrook7942 Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.

[@nikolaibuscho5881]

This itself has happened several times in history. I fear a parallel scenario plays out in the US itself.

[@dantejones1480]

Evil can prosper if good people fail to act and are prevented from acting.🧐

[@carlycrays2831]

And yet, good people still took action. As bad as things got, there were still good people

[@corpselight7989]

Seems familiar.

[@defalttheloner]

@@carlycrays2831 in fantasy we always have people willing to die for a good universe. But what I see on reality is a in existence of heros and no real way of salvation.

[@inquisitorichijou883]

In one of the movie novelizations, the opening narration downright states that the Republic was like a tree and that that tree while seeming strong on the outside, was rotten at it's core.

[@UGNAvalon]

When the Prequel Era inevitably gets a gritty reboot (hopefully several decades from now), I’d love to see a political thriller take place from at/around the beginning of Palpatine’s Chancellorship, thru the establishment of the New Order. The naive protagonist would see the thunderous Senate applause on the holonet and lament “So this is how the Republic dies...” to which the jaded deuteragonist would snap back “ ‘This’?? _This?!_ This is simply the last gasps of an already-dying government! The Republic died a long time ago, when our beloved -Emperor- Chancellor passed the Security Act (way back in the Pilot episode) !! We were just too blind to notice it back then...”

[@Magneekic]

It’s so interesting to me about how much of the fall of the republic was there own fault

[@cyruss6536]

Maul: There are three walls Ahsoka: There are four, actually. Maul: For now. I must tell you how the republic fell already.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Permission to break this fourth wall then?

[@folfielukather8083]

good old palpy

[@geetslys]

[@DeanmC261993]

Thankyou I always wanted someone to make a video about this make people realize the republic never fell, the empire is just the republic with some of its worse aspects brought out.

[@Fen_Wolf]

I love when you do deep dives like this into the more really showing how deep Star Wars lore goes thank you Geetsly’s

[@rando991]

This reminds me of the podcast I listed to called 60 words - it’s about how the US allowed itself to go to war against anyone and eveyone after 9/11 - very much worth a listen 👍

[@TriggeringOpinionsandFacts]

When palpatine was granted emergency powers with no sunset provision the republic was over. He already won. He was just trying to be as artful about it as possible so the transition was clean with the right scapegoats

[@nythesciencekid2218]

Can you do a video on how the Republic might have been saved from the Empire? Like, if during the Clone Wars certain changes were made?

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

That would probably take a few videos, I think. It would be easier to save the Republic back when Dooku was still a Jedi.

[@simonhirst3021]

*shows edit of Anakin and Rex listening to Fives for literally 10 seconds*

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

@@simonhirst3021 It'd probably take 10 minutes but what then? They could probably warn the Jedi and even tell the Senate. But there were literally 150 different contingency orders, with only 1 targeting the Jedi, and at least 2 targeting the Chancellor. Also, there's no proof that Palpatine is behind the creation of the Clone Army, as it was first commisioned by the Jedi Syfo Dias and later found by the Jedi Obi-Wan Kenobi, and if they investigate further, they would find that Tyranus/Dooku was also behind it, a former Jedi and someone who's known to be close to Syfo Dias and the master of Kenobi's master, all very convenient. It wouldn't take much for Palpatine to twist this into a Jedi plot against the Republic, especially since the Jedi were already very unpopular by this point, and Palpatine has the unwavering support of much of the Senate. Order 66 would still be enacted, although many of the Jedi would be aware of the Clones' betrayal and will manage to escape, they'd be forced into exile and the Empire would rise regardless. Yeah the Jedi could try to kill Palpatine quickly, but attempting to assassinate the Supreme Chancellor wuold just make them look even worse, and I have no doubt that if Palpatine knew he can't turn Anakin, and can't win this fight, he would find a way to escape. Then everyone can see that the Jedi attempting a coup and Order 66 would still occur.

[@Jedi_Spartan_38]

2:38 "The Republic will fall as it always has, a fall that will take a millennia."

[@leolied6766]

Wait Valorum was killed? I thought he survived till the end of the CW where he was basically forgotten about.

[@Rcampo42]

This was in legends

[@leolied6766]

@@Rcampo42 Oh. Then that makes sense.

[@HolyknightVader999]

He was killed later.

[@tompearce5418]

​@@HolyknightVader999 assassinated on Palpatine's orders to prevent him being a potential opposition leader.

[@goldeagle6431]

The Senate brought the Republic to its knees.

[@Eruptor1000]

Maul was spot on.. no justice! no order! Everything he says reflects our governments in a funny way.

[@tompearce5418]

Think public infrastructure and services rotting through lack of funding while politicians responsible make damn sure their paycheck is secure.

[@TheFirstCurse1]

In a funny way? That isn't funny at all. It's in a sad and terrifying way.

[@Eruptor1000]

@@TheFirstCurse1 Yeah what I meant, my bad.

[@fiddleriddlediddlediddle]

To me, Palpatine wasn't a Hitler, he was a Caesar. He didn't make the republic corrupt and wicked, he just took advantage of it.

[@FluffinWolffox105]

It is sad to hear that not even padme opposed the act

[@cheesaliciousable]

Remember, remember, the 5th of November...

[@Russell3267]

I had foreseen it.

[@QA-ut7dd]

Can I just say - I think this is one of the greatest SW breakdowns ever. Very insightful, very deep, very well thought-out. I'm a bit bummed I'm only finding this a month after the fact, but wow. This video seriously deserves more views.

[@Ikcatcher]

It still baffles me to this day how Palpatine can go from 4D chess mastermind manipulator, to a horror show puppet that acts tough in the sequel trilogy

[@jacobnoelle8428]

He thought he won.

[@johnnygyro2295]

If I had to guess, Palpatine was on his last legs in the Disney sequels. His clone body scheme didn't seem to go right, at least when compared to the Dark Empire comics. That being said, it would've made more sense if Palps was purposefully pitting Kylo and Rey against each other. The loser would die and the "winner" would get body snatched.

[@MrSolus-ls6us]

@@johnnygyro2295 Nah Lucas just nerfed him so it would look like an incompetent evil baddy, and the heroic Rebels took him down

[@johnnygyro2295]

@@MrSolus-ls6us Lucas wasn't in charge of the sequels though. Disney threw out most of his ideas for the sequels, other than Luke becoming a hermit, and made said trilogy without any planning.

[@MrSolus-ls6us]

@@johnnygyro2295 Lucas was in charge of the Original, and Palpatine just looked like some evil, dumb guy, being outsmarted by a bunch of teddy bears, instead of a mastermind

[@truetory6231]

One of the most shocking revelations is the fact that Moffs were already in place even before the declaration of the new order

[@scoutdynamics3272]

When the Clone Army was presented in review, you hear for the first time the Imperial March giving a hint as to what everyone signed on to. How in the crisis, all of these decisions appeared to be soooo right at the time.

[@wizard_of_poz4413]

Holy shit, sam witwer is an absolute beast of a voice actor. Honestly it really felt like the animation just couldn't match his performance

[@mawile3037]

everything Mando about this series was just incredible, the fact that it merges with the crazy Count Dooku/Darth Maul arches too, the climax is definitely when Maul gets the Dark Saber

[@MrRonald327]

It's all about the build-up. Maul's always been a smart guy.

[@ethanworks9917]

I watched the entire thing and I was thinking, what if this was a briefing in the sequels as a history lesson and what they learned from the past to make better decisions when defeating ‘The First Order’ and making ‘The New Republic’. Interesting.

[@carlycrays2831]

Sad that the New Republic still had trouble recovering.

[@ethanworks9917]

Carly Crays, indeed.

[@tompearce5418]

The ending of Rise of Skywalker implies that there is no more galactic government, just lots of isolated planets that want to be left alone to operate independently.

[@ahnonamos]

This was so well written! Wonderful job!

[@widgren87]

Reminds me of the following exchange: Dr. Arnim Zola : HYDRA was founded on the belief that humanity could not be trusted with its own freedom. What we did not realize was that if you tried to take that freedom, they resist. The war taught us much. Humanity needed to surrender its freedom willingly. After the war, S.H.I.E.L.D. was founded, and I was recruited. The new HYDRA grew, a beautiful parasite inside S.H.I.E.L.D. For 70 years, HYDRA has been secretly feeding crises, reaping war. And when history did not cooperate, history was changed. Natasha Romanoff : That's impossible. S.H.I.E.L.D. would've stopped you. Dr. Arnim Zola : Accidents will happen. HYDRA created a world so chaotic that humanity is finally ready to sacrifice its freedom to gain its security. Once the purification process is complete, HYDRA's New World Order will arise. We won, Captain. Your death amounts to the same as your life, a zero sum! Just replace HYDRA with Sith and SHIELD with Jedi.

[@TheHardys01]

That is actually a perfect reference to how the people who own our money took control of the world.

[@widgren87]

@@TheHardys01 Kinda sad how much most people are willing to give up just for a quiet life in "safety"...

[@TheHardys01]

@@widgren87 There's a Malcolm X quote from somewhere. I cant find it to save my life, but it was something like "You cannot have a formal revolution, until you awaken the mind of a sleeping people." Keep this in mind✌🏼

[@widgren87]

@@TheHardys01 Reminds me of something my dad said once: A person can be smart, a crowd is only as smart as the dumbest person in it. I have yet to see proof otherwise...

[@carlycrays2831]

@@widgren87 I used to think humanity had some logic, but now I don't. We really are a stupid bunch of people

[@josenavas5859]

A most interesting presentation. 'So that's how the republic dies, with thunderous applause?" A lesson for today and tomorrow no doubt.

[@deville3319]

This all sounds way too familiar lol. Outstanding video! The politics of the clone wars is so eerie and fascinating, and I’ve never seen it so bluntly laid out like this. Bravo!

[@xavierlopez88]

Ngl I’m seeing far too many similarities between the SW universe and present day politics in the US

[@reaverfang377]

3 weeks ahead and it only has gotten more obvious, stories are more than entertainment, they're a warning.

[@stardragon7893]

This gives me the feeling that even if Palpatine were stopped, the Republic would still have fallen anyway, just later and under different circumstances. Maybe the GAR becomes a military junta? For bonus points, the Jedi could start a Rebel Alliance to overthrow them.

[@tompearce5418]

Maybe a war between the Republic and the Outer Rim Territories over economic issues with no Sith around to impose peace afterwards. That conflict could have dragged on for decades.

[@dylanrivera2244]

The galaxy deserved the empire.

[@edgarnavejar5692]

I would say this is one of your better videos. Good job 👍

[@dylanbyrne9866]

Alternative title:Palpatine is very smart

[@carlycrays2831]

As smart as he was, one can argue that it all came crashing down because he demanded Dooku betray Ventress.

[@boneslamb6969]

You guys are very informative keep up the good work

[@MROJPC]

Excellent video and good way of discussing how the clone wars story is analogous to how a society falls into authoritarianism, then a dictatorship. 👍 Videos like these are making me want to go back and rewatch or explore this era in a new way.

[@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon]

Well done this explained so much.

[@hamilkarbarkas2071]

Great video as usual but is the "history of the Republic" series still on going? I really loved that series but the last part is allready a month old and the three existing part came out within the span of three weeks.

[@geetslys]

It didn’t preform well in views sadly, might still pump out some videos for it

[@hamilkarbarkas2071]

@@geetslys that's sad to hear but I'd certainly watch and love some more videos for that series, even shorter and less detailed ones. I wonder what about it didn't appeal to most people

[@Serocco]

@@geetslys Keep making them

[@freddiehoffman3477]

I kinda want to know more of the Sith of korribon and the groups like the monks and warriors

[@jaredbanister369]

Mothma also disagreed against the proposed act and supported bail and valarums efforts.

[@matthewmohri9990]

Brilliant and well done.

[@void-creature]

The declaration of the empire wasn't a change of the status quo, it was an admittance that the status quo wouldn't be restored...

[@villagecreep2692]

Love your videos Geetsly!!!

[@youdontknow7190]

Mauls comments always give me chills.

[@cartertinsley3276]

Would the Jedi still participate in the clone wars if the separatists fought with living beings instead of battle droids?

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

Maybe not as many, and more might have joined the Separatists than originally did (so a small but sizable number rather than a mere handful).

[@tompearce5418]

Yes. It was their sense of duty that Palpatine used against them. The entire war was designed to lure their fighting-age members into the field where they were surrounded by soldiers programmed to kill them on command. Then Vader (or Maul, in the original scheme) would have killed off the children, elderly and other non-combatants remaining at the Temple before hunting down any stray survivors using the Inquisitors and the Imperial military.

[@hekkrjs2698]

One of the many reasons, why Star Wars is so great, is it’s insight in political manoeuvres comparable to real world threats, problems and challenges, which have to be faced nowadays or maybe in the near future.

[@rnrailproductions5049]

5:35 I like that as it shows more how Lucas based Star Wars off the Vietnam war era.

[@taudvore259]

The video says it’s almost unbelievable that so few noticed the change and it was weird that so few objected to it. My Great Grandmother was an Austrian Jew and I’m named after her brother. She escaped, her father and brother did not. I can believe it.

[@connerd5647]

This might be my favorite video of yours that you’ve ever done

[@Warmaker01]

8:57 And that is why Darth Sidious is so great. He defeated the Republic not by outright war against it, trying to conquer it like many tried before. He slowly affected events and got the Republic to suit his plans. Willingly. Even better? He did it not only under the Jedi Order's noses, he was smiling, talking with them every day.

[@brendandoherty3401]

Did you just say that episode 3 takes place over only 3 days? Impossible Padne’s pregnancy proves it took place over several months. In fact I’m pretty sure we see more than 3 transitions from day to night in the films final edit.

[@JediAcolyte94]

Actually geetsly is right. It took place over the course of a few days. The Revenge of the Sith novelization confirms it.

[@GeneralGrievous-1138]

Brendan Doherty It's confirmed to be three days in both Legends and Canon. In Legends, Anakin and Padmé are confirmed to have smashed right after the Battle of Rendili, roughly nine months before the Battle of Coruscant. Anakin just hadn't clearly seen her in six months,

[@brendandoherty3401]

General Grievous1138 but padme was only barely showing circa 5 month pregnancy belly and got bigger throughout the film. Also look at everything that happened in that film. Yoda and Obi Wan both go on missions half way across the galaxy in the movie and take armies with them. How is it possible those operations were planned, supplied, organised and executed to completion nearly in 48 hours?

[@GeneralGrievous-1138]

Brendan Doherty Her costumes were voluminous enough to hide the pregnancy to some degree. She was at nine months when she first appears on screen in ROTS. Those armies were likely already armed up and ready to go when Yoda and Obi-Wan took command, and while it is a continuity error in how fast they got to the Rim and back, that continuity error wouldn't be fixed by making ROTS take longer, as the Tantive III still would have had to have crossed the galaxy in a few hours no matter how you spin it.

[@brendandoherty3401]

General Grievous1138 that is all still dumb. I mean Star Wars has always had a problem of ridiculously high amounts of stuff squeezed into small time frames but ROTS was the one movie that seemed like you could easily say the editing made a longer passing of time seem natural and plausible in the movie. Now all we’ve got is episode 5 where Luke was on dagobah for 6 weeks while Han and Leia and Chewie flew to cloud city but that was edited to look like too little time passed so it’s all just confusing.

[@almaztech]

If Palpatine was giving a "personalised" order 66 (comander... Execute order 66), How much time did he took? In earlier videos you said that there were about 100 million clones. Poor Palpy.

[@SelfProclaimedEmperor]

He didn't most clone commanders got a recording.

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

If he gave the order to every Legion's senior Clone commander....that's like ten thousand phone calls, good grief.

[@a05odst62]

Law and order, long live the empire!

[@ricoj810]

Damn. Well done

[@studvz]

The Morbius Reasons Why the Republic Fell LONG Before the Battle of Coruscant

[@pulverize3]

Dat intro never gets old, short and sweet.

[@grayflaneur4854]

What a great and thought provoking episode. So much current day trends to consider...

[@lewisharty8801]

Brilliant video!

[@DavidbarZeus1]

Speaking on the death of the Republic makes me think this is a good place to discuss my idea as to how the SW galaxy SHOULD be run. The holder of the executive office is elected and holds it until retirement, death or impeachment so that they need not worry about election funds or even popularity. They can work for what they believe is the betterment of the galaxy within the limits of the constitution. They CANNOT be a Force-wielder or have served at a rank higher than captain in the military. The Senate is broken up into many senates. There is a sector senate, where every planet in the sector has a voice, then a district senate representing several sectors and the sectors elect their representative. Then finally there's the High Senate on Coruscant, where each district is represented. Each senate deals with the problems of the area they are in charge of: Sectors deal with issues inside the sector, the High Senate deals ONLY with problems on a galactic level, etc. The Jedi have a central temple, but there is a smaller Jedi Temple on every planet. They recruit ONLY locals, and while they train younglings in the Force, said younglings can only choose to become a Jedi once they reach their majority as recognized for the species and on their planet. The Jedi will deal only with local problems: gang lords, corruption in the government, ending the slave trade. The Jedi are also taught to properly deal with their emotions and are allowed to marry and have families. The High Council deals with corruption in the High Senate and investigates the hopeful executive for a year before either allowing them to run or banning them, and if they are banned, the reason(s) must be shared with the media so that the public can understand why.

[@JavierBori787]

I loved this video, I love space politics, please do more of these I find them very cool and interesting.

[@TheBronzeDog]

Can't argue against any of this. Spot on.

[@DwRockett]

The entire tragedy of the Republic’s fall is felt by watching this video, great job

[@WildZephyr]

Just watching this today and what you said at the 7:05 mark disturbs me because I feel like this is literally happening today and for the same reason, to create a police state.

[@RiceBoy1975]

The fall of the republic begun in 1000 BBY when the rule of two was created. The sith had been planning this since the sith were defeated

[@AscendedStorm]

This video hurt in a way I can't explain..

[@drfunkburger3895]

I love the new music!

[@mercenarygundam1487]

*Sees comments* To quote Obi-Wan: Oh no, I'm not too brave for politics.

[@kytexgd1463]

Ah yes, he has his voice back xD

[@darthnerd4432]

I still think Umbara was the best arc

[@carlycrays2831]

I think Umbara is technically better, but Siege of Mandalore is just an amazing finale. Really, I never thought it would be so good

[@giladpellaeon1691]

Very good analysis.

[@rensvisser6504]

I like this new aproach.

[@casbot71]

The irony of the *Military Creation Act* is the lack of a central military power/force is what basically led to the conditions that created the instability in the Republic the first place. It can be seen once again in the New Republic that made the same de-militarization mistake (albeit to a lesser extent) that the Ruusan Reformation did. The Galaxy is a _nasty place_ which in a power vacuum will become lawless, leading to a desire among the populace for any order and control, even if it becomes oppressive. In the Republic the lack of safety and order outside the Core systems is what created the circumstances for the Trade Federation and the CIS to arise in the first place - which was the long term plan of the Sith, although they exploited the opportunity that was already there. IMHO If something like the GAR (in power, not necessarily with Clones) had already existed then the Galaxy would have been a much more stable place. In fact that is what Ranulph Tarkin had proposed and had tried to implement, but he was _"unfortunately"_ killed in action. Had his mission not been sabotaged _(he was played for a sucker),_ and he had gone on to success and his proposed reforms been implemented… and Palpatine and Maul been killed in an unfortunate accident… then the Republic could have survived. Individual systems are just too weak to stand up to a determined foe, a large criminal group or Warlord, or even keep the peace. And what if the system itself is a bad actor? "We place ultimate authority to keep order in this sector in the hands of the Hutts"… [Sounds of muted cheering from the slaves being forced to applaud at blaster point]. Just look at the state of the Galaxy during the first blockade of Naboo [TFA]. Tatooine was not a good place to live… hereditary slavery is generally not a sign of a healthy society [and it wasn't even race/species based on conquest, which is the most common cause in Earth history ("unfortunate" if you were in the conquered group), along with punitive slavery]. And then there was wholesale slavery and oppression of races/species [I'm going to leave the Earth comparisons alone now] besides economic slavery. The Jedi had obviously been falling down on their calling. A powerful force was needed to keep the peace and enforce sentient rights, and just keep general law and order [🎶 donk donk] and in particular prevent piracy. *A possible stable system…* The Judicial Forces get teeth. A centralised patrol fleet, akin to the Coast Guard, but with enough firepower to enforce order. Ships and crew produced on an economy of scale so they are competent, and as a safety measure they are rotated between sectors to prevent them becoming the vassals of local powers. And as a backup a rapid reaction force of fast class 1 (or better) hyperdrive equipped heavy Destroyers to supplement local patrol ships when needed. And to keep everyone honest, the Jedi are used as corruption watchdogs and investigators, able to summon fleets at will if they find cause. _Knight Errants that can call in airstrikes._ But they are not the ones that launch the airstrikes, a professional military does that. And the Jedi also investigate the Senate for corruption. The state of the Galaxy couldn't have existed without a lot of Politicians looking the other way, receiving payoffs, or being the cause of the problems in the first place. For such a fleet the GAR ships with a few modifications would actually be ideal. A fast Frigate with a emphasis on ship to ship and anti Starfighter firepower as the standard patrol vessel (with a couple of ARC-170's for recon), and the Acclamator itself for dealing with planet side disturbances. One of those dropping in on a slave encampment would resolve the situation quickly. And for the rapid reaction hammer Venators with class 1 or even faster hyperdrives stationed at important junctions to deal with sudden opposition. A large fighter force would actually be appropriate for dealing with the common issues, as well as keeping the commanders honest as once launched, they have to rely on the loyalty of the pilots, whereas a Destroyers gunnery crew is onboard. And fighters can chase down criminals are just more versatile. That will make the Trandosians play nice with the Wookies. And it would have kept the systems that became the CIS happy.

[@itsjonny1744]

i find new canon new republic to be utter morons, but the republic definetly needed an army/navy of a size where they could dominate minor powers aswell as take on the Hutts and bring order into that part of the galaxy. a decent sized navy is also needed to protect the flow of good out of the hands of Pirates and the likes, aswell as policing so smuggling dosent become a rampant way to get access to goods.

[@toby1061]

ItsJonny Yeah, but republic good empire bad. Obviously the new republic was totally effective in keeping order until he galaxy with their little tiny x wing squads.

[@-Seeker-]

"Violence is the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived" There's a reason why nations have armies and governments have a monopoly on violence. A demilitarized nation cannot sustain itself because it's authority is non-existent.

[@itsjonny1744]

@@toby1061 Except for the reason Leia was thrown out of the new Republic was that they didnt have the ability police themselves and wanted a navy/army to stop outside forces from kidnapping their children. They managed to control a piece of the galaxy for a minor part of time and failed to combat and respond to a threat that threatened and harmed their own citizens.. they wre innefective af.

[@edrichlouw1790]

Democracy is a tight rope and if you lean to much to either side you fall.

[@richardlew3667]

Evil prevails when good men do nothing

[@johnmarston2616]

So so so many parallels between this and real life

[@gringogreen4719]

Sounds right. I know that the Nixon years and WWII were big influences. I can see Weimar Germany, Spain, and Italy sliding into fascism as a "Best Alternative" to the government's at the time. That would be the influence on the fall of the Republic in the Star Wars galaxy.

[@Chill6063]

Honestly, the Jedi should have stepped in and taken over after the CW started and just said, "Fuck it!!!! We're in charge and cleaning this shit up, you wanna complain, you can deepthroat my lightsaber."

[@ambruscsanady1366]

You lose a war when you lose your principals. - Kal Skirata

[@macs.9644]

What if palps never became supreme chancellor

[@generalprincecodyhedgewolf2944]

The Imperial March in episodes made it obvious

[@edwardoliveira1748]

What if Palps died near the end instead of becoming Emperor?

[@carlycrays2831]

Depends on if Dooku is alive

[@itsjonny1744]

if Dooku lived, shit would go down lol, Dooku wouldnt hamstring the CIS and would immediatly strike hard and fast on republci manufacturing worlds. If he didnt well, the officials that Palpatine promoted won't give up power so its most likely going to be a civil war between them and jedi loyalists.

[@carlycrays2831]

@@itsjonny1744 But the key thing here would be Order 66. Would Dooku still try and execute it?

[@itsjonny1744]

@@carlycrays2831 he wouldnt have the authority to execute the order i would imagine, not like he really needed it since the CIS would win in a long term war if they planned it properly since the republics war machine cost more than the seperatist one

[@johnnygyro2295]

That depends. If Mace Windu successfully killed Palpatine, that could've lead to another civil war ironically. The Jedi council had been debating about taking control of the senate if Palpatine refused to give up his emergency powers. The revelation of him being Darth Sidious and having co-conspirators would've sealed it, and expose the senate as incompetent and/or corrupt. A new split would occur between those wanting to set up a Jedi Lords theocracy, and those wanting to keep the Republic alive in some form. Ironically, I could see Anakin helping to lead the "rebels" side in this "second Clone Wars."