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[@LokiLaughs2]

"I didn't kill him because he was crazy. I killed him because he was making sense." Best Miller line in the series.

[@mndrew1]

Translation: I wasn't afraid of him talking, I was afraid of you listening.

[@Benjamas-]

“Doors and corners kid, doors and corners”

[@scambammer6102]

it isn't. that's yet to come

[@danii7584]

@@scambammer6102 walking his pet?

[@scambammer6102]

@@danii7584 lol I was going for the long one that begins "I don't know". Miller has a lot of good lines.

[@northerntao]

And thus begins the best run of any sci-fi series evah, in my not humble opinion. This is when it goes from great to epic. S02E04 to S03E13 is absolutely stunning. Strap in bitches! Godspeed!

[@this.is.a.username]

different opinions and all, but they completely lost me at book 7, couldn't even complete it. I'm finishing up some of my favorite series' rereads now, maybe i'll give it another shot and see if it's changed for me.

[@rodentnolastname6612]

Miller moving the bottle was so perfectly subtle and in character, loved it!!

[@scope40k]

Funny, that lots of viewers didn't even notice, while I laughed my ass out 🤣

[@rodentnolastname6612]

There's a subtle character arc with Miller. He's never really been a Belter. He's live in the belt all his life but all he's been was a city cop on Ceres, not trueltly a Belter. Then he sees Julie, this snot-nosed, rich bitch who literally put her life on the line for the belt, being more of a Belter than he ever was. The scene of him infront of the mirror was him reevaluating his priorities in contrast to Julie, and deciding to become a better Belter.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

Well, that and he feels he's finally winning her approval of his choices.

[@axlm.808]

I love how Drummer joyfully explains how they nearly died in Thoth station battle

[@tastyneck]

Fucking love Drummer. Amos and Bobbie are awesome, too. And that pedophile thing wasn't just a throwaway line. This show is one of the few where the dialogue generally matters and isn't just filler.

[@alanfoxman5291]

Yes. Exactly. Without spoiling anything for you Nerdy and Claruce...Just keep that dialogue in the back of your heads

[@alanfoxman5291]

@mwill Well I've alread seen all 5 seasons so I know Amos's backstory. Not sure everyone else does yet.

[@axlm.808]

Yeah, Amos casually talking about pedophiles (and violent stuff in general) tells a lot about how he grew up without telling too much

[@this.is.a.username]

Nerdy and Clarus are going to be so disappointed when Drummer spanks Naomi though.

[@ChipMatthews]

You guys nailed a lot of what makes this series so great in this episode - how well fleshed out and real characters feel, even minor ones, and how the show never talks down to the audience. It trusts you to put things together without feeling the need to hit you over the head, or mix in petty drama for the sake of ticking boxes. It's the intelligent, adult, well written scifi show I waited 50 years for. I hope we see its like again some day.

[@kirkdarling4120]

Andor does it, too.

[@mattdrahos2662]

@@kirkdarling4120 It is sad to think that 2 shows in the genre actually go into the human psyche. I would put Battlestar in the mix, it was real characters in space.

[@ChipMatthews]

@@mattdrahos2662 I loved BSG but it suffered from being made up as they went along and kind of went off the rails. It's my second favorite scifi show.

[@mattdrahos2662]

I concur, early BSG is pretty darn good, but things went sideways:) The Expanse basically stands alone.

[@kirkdarling4120]

@@mattdrahos2662 When Dualla took herself out with a bang, her plotted conclusion that the story didn't know where it was going had become apparent to everyone. That was the writers essentially telling the audience they might as well give up themselves.

[@billross7245]

Drummer introducing herself to Naomi, "I see you're from some Rock" and points to the neck tats. I really love the unique details in this show.

[@wtimmins]

The writing is phenomenal, the writing of characters same, and then the actors make it work.

[@quiett6191]

18:22 Great point. I feel like too many show writers these days interpret "adult" or "mature" as their shows having lots profanity, nudity, and sex. They forget that adult/mature can also mean tackling issues and themes in a grown up manner, presenting the audience with serious questions and moral dilemmas. Maybe these questions and dilemmas aren't given a straightforward answer, but left with the audience as food for thought.

[@oieiworpoafjaklsd]

As someone who read all the books as they came out (starting before I saw any discussion of a show), watched the show several times myself, and has watched at least a dozen reactors go through this series... I'm really enjoying your reactions! The only thing that would make them better is if they were more frequent. 😉Great job!

[@vinsanity40k]

blind wave, kat & sonny, mary cherry, nikki & steven, and now nerdy nightly's reactions. i can't quit this show for some reason. 😄

[@blackpaw29]

@@vinsanity40k If you haven't seen funnylilgal's reactions, they are *really* good.

[@oieiworpoafjaklsd]

@@vinsanity40k Because this whole universe is amazing. And it's fun to see people experience it for the first time. Especially certain scenes... I wish it didn't end. If you haven't read the books I heartily recommend. 😊

[@SyrosAlex]

@@vinsanity40k Apart from Nerdy Nightly, my top picks of reactors to the Expanse are fynnylilgalreacts, LM Reactions, Neil Talks, Carmen Young and, since recently, MegMage Reacts.

[@danii7584]

@@oieiworpoafjaklsd so sad they seemingly dropped it before the last book. but then again I personally had higher expectations for that one as well but that might just be me.

[@submandave1125]

The bar conversation between Amos and Miller was where we first really knew that Amos viewed Holden as the same type of arbiter between right and wrong as Naomi.

[@Toomas31]

CanCon moment: The Captain of the Martian ship is Hugh Dillon, Lead singer of the Canadian Band Headstones (a fave of mid 90's teen me). Drummer is also played by a Canadian, Cara Gee, who had a guest spot on Letterkenny.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

Also Canadian actor Mpho Koaho ("Travis") was a guest star on FLASHPOINT, the Hugh Dillon SWAT (SRU) show. In fact, most of the guest cast in any given episode are Canadian, given the production location.

[@chaost4544]

"The Expanse" really benefited from the writers of the books being heavily involved in production. This series also started off as a table top RPG so you see a lot of that type of story progression throughout the series.

[@scope40k]

Poor Shed. They had to railgun him just because some guy decided to drop the RPG session. I love that it stayed in the script, both book and series benefited a lot from it.

[@this.is.a.username]

@@scope40k at least the character made it into the book/show *laughs in Vox Machina*

[@jasonnielsen9683]

Yes, you get the specialness of this show. Even the most minor character is completely fleshed out. There are characters in this show that have one scene and will leave you in tears because the writing is so good. So glad you are watching this show, it is a masterpiece. Enjoy.

[@sabkobds]

Not just Holden puts his trust to Amos. There is more important thing about Amos, even if it was briefly mentioned. When he talks to Miller, it's clearly that Amos trust to Holden. And that's the way he trusted to Naomi earlier. Amos doesn't trust himself to do morally good thing, so he looks for somebody who will tell him. Now it's Holden.

[@philipturner9087]

Love Amos and his one line philosophy on life.

[@funnylilgalreacts]

He's the best 🖤

[@artboymoy]

Great reactions! You guys react to things that most reactors I've watched just kinda gloss over. Like when Miller and Amos are having drinks and after Amos serves himself, Miller moves the bottle away. The pedo line cracked me up as much as it did you but Amos made a really good analogy and it just made total sense. Drummer and Naomi having fun and this episode was great because we got more of Cara Gee as Drummer. The repair scematic scene was great.

[@avsbes98]

20:54 Well, it wasn't only that she was telling a civilian/terrorist/foreign head of state (depending on who you ask) that her government was lying to the public, but mostly that she, as a member of government was contacting this person in a way that could not be traced and was not known to the security apparatus. Imagine if it was revealed today that the Associate Minister of National Defence (although according to Wikipedia that spot is vacant at the moment?) was just trying to covertly contact Vladimir Putin personally without it being known to any other members of the government or the Security Services, to talk about a topic that could lead to war between Canada (afaik you're canadian?) and Russia. People would be calling for them to be removed from office and charged with treason. Now put all of that in the context of an interplanetary three-way cold war cranked to 11 and you have people hanging for stuff like this.

[@jamesmayes4351]

It's also VERY helpful to the series that the writers of the books were part of the writing team on the show.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

This is definitely not the best moment of Amos, and that’s saying something because it’s a great scene.

[@stubbywankenobi1]

Suplex is my favorite moment

[@Justanotherconsumer]

@@stubbywankenobi1 that guy is without parallel, but the suplex is definitely up there.

[@scambammer6102]

like a pharaoh

[@kirkdarling4120]

@@stubbywankenobi1 C'mon, y'all! Spoilers!

[@stubbywankenobi1]

@@kirkdarling4120 huh

[@KrixSolith]

Love that y'all are getting into these characters at around the same time I did! Also just realized that the sort of empathy suppression that the researchers did on each other feels very reminiscent of The Emergents in Vernor Vinge's "A Deepness in the Sky" (truly underrated and uniqe scifi book if anyone hasn't read it)

[@wild_lee_coyote]

The writing in this show is SO so good. Every character is distinct and evolves not only with the situation but also with the interactions with others. Even with someone that has as complex a backstory as Amos, you never get it as a simple flashback. You have to piece it together and puzzle it out. Is not something you will get from Disney.

[@shawnloging8649]

The writers of this show create some of the best dialogue on TV.

[@N7Stryker]

One of the reasons why the Characters are so interesting is obviously the books, but the books themselves are based on the tabletop RPG the author created with his friends, Season 1's Shed, the Cant crew member that lost his head was apparently a player that left the group and well... Shed died since his player was no longer around.

[@jamesholland5761]

So glad that you two are really into this show! Just think it only gets better and better! With each episode they very subtlety build Amos's backstory! I absolutely love this show and enjoying your journey! Looking forward to the next one!

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

Yam seng, James!

[@jamesholland5761]

@@AngeloBarovierSD Yam seng!

[@akellerhouse83]

I love this show. That's the comment I leave on every one of these episodes. 😄

[@Alexandertg1955]

The "hang separately" Line is a paraphrasing of a Ben Franklin quote supposedly said when they signed the Declaration Of Independance. Ben's quote: "we must all hang together or we will all hang separately".

[@Icypenguigo]

A constantly recurring theme in this show is how people always make stupid decisions when they act without thinking. People are quick to respond with fear and violence when facing a situation we don't understand or can't control. And there are many clashing ideologies in the world of The Expanse, fighting to be heard. The philosophy and day-to-day concerns of an Earther, a Martian, and a Belter are so different that they have a hard time understanding one-anothers' life experiences. And that kind of division leads to more fear and distrust, which leads to the 'othering' of people of the out-group. When in reality, we're all part of one enormous tribe, and we should all be on each others' side. Also, you guys are gonna hear this a lot from me on your upcoming videos, but Bobbie Draper AKA "Gunny" is a literal war goddess. Like, she is the divine essence of the perfect warrior. I simp hard for Bobbie Draper. Your guys' reaction to Amos' line "You ever talk to a pedophile?" was pretty priceless too.

[@murciadoxial8056]

I don't think you guys are ready for how absolutely fucking insane this show is gonna get owo

[@riderinblack7613]

They. Are. Not. Ready.

[@Icypenguigo]

yup

[@jenniferambrose5603]

Although…they had a line in there about polyamory and Drummer that almost made me do a spit take lol.

[@Reedstilt]

"... in the pedophile scene, which was very funny." Words I never expected to hear, but entirely appropriate in context.

[@AustinStarDust]

If you like the two-part season one finale, then you will LOVE the next two episodes, which are the finale for the first book. Get ready to binge-watch!

[@cliveklg7739]

Another part of why the show works as a translation of the books is that the book writers are in large part the ones writing the scripts for the show. And they are willing to make changes to things they wish they would have done different in hindsight in the books but didn't. There is a lack of ego where they realize oh shit, we can do better with this part or this part. Drummer is one of those changes. She wasn't as prominent in the books, but when the writers saw how good Cara Gee was portraying her and how cool she could be,, they were like, 'we gotta find a ways to use her more.'

[@thomashiggins9320]

The Nauvoo is, basically, an O''Neill Cylinder habitat with huge honkin' engines attached. Except for the engines, we could build one of those with current technology. It would just take a ton of political will, and even more money.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

Even if we did, it would probably just become Freeside station from _Neuromancer_ rather than something... optimistic.

[@aboubenadhem9066]

The way MOST of the characters are interacting like adults also draws attention to the ones who aren’t: Bobbie’s team of Marines. In spite of all their training, they’re clearly the ones who will be least able to deal with a crisis when it comes.

[@cinedelasestrellas]

Notice that from the next episode on, when they show Mars in the opening credits, you will see Deimos as a bunch of fragments spreading apart.

[@ericc.6255]

You’ll start to notice so many layers to Amos. By far my favorite tv character ever. I got a portrait in my basement 🤣

[@misterevil1967]

6:40 Holden was being a TERRIBLE interrogator! He totally misread Salazar and ended getting zero information from him. Amos had him figured from the get go.

[@misterevil1967]

...And I totally got the impression that Naomi friend zoned Drummer. Even though I also believed that Drummer totally had a lesbian crush on Naomi. (Not having read the books, I don't know what went on there. And the show Drummer was actually a composite [or so I am told] character from a couple of Belters in the books.)

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

I would suggest Holden's interrogation revealed aspects of personality which allowed Amos to choose the right path. That is not "zero information", IMO.

[@snowwolfa6866]

So glad y’all are getting to see more of Drummer. She’s a favorite of mine.

[@dennai7695]

To quote another great sci-fi show: So say we all!

[@NickRedstar]

In the books poly was a thing in the Belter society.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

*spoilers* Drummer’s poly family is in season 5-6.

[@Jabberwocky415]

@@Justanotherconsumer why even comment this? Even with the spoiler warning, there’s no reason.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

@@Jabberwocky415 whether there’s consistency between the books and the show is relevant to people who may have only read the books? I dunno, why comment on anything?

[@louishermann7676]

The whole polyamorous cultural detail might be a nod to Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" which includes details about a lunar society in which "line" and "clan" marriages were commonplace. This society had a great respect and protectiveness over its female population, and an atrocity done by an Earth-based police corps against their women ignited a rebellion.

[@IanHillan]

Oh, man. Next 2 episodes. You've probably seen em on Patreon already but man, I can't wait to see them here. You're so right about the characters and the writing on this show. All I can say is that it only gets better from here.

[@aftonforred3685]

The authenticity of the characters, especially the main characters, really pulls you in.

[@grafffuller3265]

Loving your reactions. There were a few sequences that made Nerdy pause and do a double take. Amos' character is so deep at times, but always in a really weird way. Love how you explained the adult relationships and interactions on this show. So true. Yes, having to spend more time with Diogo would be a LOT too much. Having to listen to that "music" would drive me crazy...and it is a really weird way to understand that it is the moaning of dead people being killed little by little by the Protomolecule. Yuck! Cara Gee who plays Camina Drummer, is so good as Drummer. Marie and I love her Belter accent. If you ever hear her real accent, you'd be even MORE impressed with what she is giving to THIS character. Nerdy understood what Miller was thinking about doing with the Navoo from the jump. Pretty impressed with his ability to see these arcs so well. Great job. Again, another great episode and a wonderful reaction. Looking forward to seeing next week's episode. Thank you for all that you do. Hopefully you have a good time in London, England and come back home, safely. Until, next time. Be safe.

[@LeeCarlson]

Belters, for better or worse, function on purely utilitarian ethos, which is NOT the way that Holden believes things ought to be done.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

That doesn't quite make sense since Miller is the one who shoots Dresden, making Dresden, Holden and Johnson the utilitarians and making Miller (the Belter) the one going "No, I don't like the implications of your "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" so I kill you and deal with it."

[@nate8930]

Trust me, from here on out, everything just gets better and better! Glad I get to rewatch it here.

[@InterestedAmerican]

The Expanse is perhaps the greatest Sci-Fi shows ever. The writing is stellar. Even George R. R. Martin loved the books and this show. That's one hell of an endorsement. It's truly amazing.

[@MattNolanCustom]

Happy to see that you are enjoying the show so much and that you are back on perceptive form. Things have barely got going. Strap in...

[@johncarey7786]

Really look forward to each episode with you guys

[@gabsrants]

14:11 - 14:29 -14:41 the dirty digressions I never knew I needed

[@SallyImpossible]

Amos is the favorite character of the writers of The Expanse books, similar to Reiner being one of the favorite characters of the creator Attack on Titan.

[@huro1845]

18.29 Voicing my thoughts! There are a few more examples of people having mature relationships and behaving like adults later on, and I love it!

[@danbadd]

The development in relationship between Holden and Amos makes sense too. Amos protected Naomi and shot Semi when leaving Eros, but then made amends with Miller at the dinner table in front of Holden, and then he went and risked his life to fix the thruster on the Roci during the assault on Thoth..

[@richb313]

This is all character development and some exposition this show does not tell you what to think you have to figure that on your own.

[@NigelSmith72]

Now you're getting it :) The most impressive thing about this show is that there are *no* small characters* - every speaking character has been thought through and the actor is obviously giving their all... and it shows all the way to the final episode. * There is one exception - the "fungus guy" from season 1 - the only truly forgettable character in the whole show :)

[@DeathNRebirth]

I just checked out your Patreon, and I have a proposition for for you: if you bump up your full reactions of The Expanse to 2 a week, I'll 100% join your patreon! I need a bit more of that steady drip 😤

[@mattdrahos2662]

This is just getting warmed up... It combines element's (writing, acting, effects) that when applied is way greater then the parts. When you are done watching you will wonder how it isn't the phenomenal hit that it deserved to be.

[@neutchain7838]

@Nerdy It certainly helps that the writes of the book series are on the writing team of the show along with a few others with similar quality. This show regarding the writing is similar to Andor. Talented writers, really good casting thus outstanding actors, excellent CGI. Its a show made for adults by adults. They are all hard sci-fi fans btw thats why you often feel like the environment ( zero G, temperature, O2 ) is often another character in the show.

[@lewstherintelamon1726]

It has been so fun discovering you when reacting to wheel of time and now you are doing the Expanse.... now I´m just waiting and hoping that one piece could make a holy trifecta!

[@KaironQD]

Nerdy: "We're gonna launch the Mormons into the asteroid!" Clarus: "Kill two birds with one stone!" OMG since when are we trying to off space mormons? LOL, you've become so bloodthirsty!

[@jenssylvesterwesemann7980]

In case you want to actually go make those suits - have you looked over at the Replica Prop Forum?

[@adrianinsaval]

21:18 ahahahahaha you don't know how wrong and how right at the same time this is

[@eKko0]

just want to correct the opening, no Claroos Rocinante no go 'pew pew', Rocinante go Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[@KingApeiron]

This lady out here looking like a star wars character... Meanwhile nerdy is like lol hoodie...

[@blackpaw29]

I imagine you've already thought of this but consider that Amos is familiar with paedophiles and what that means for his backstory. nb. Dunno how far ahead you are on the view schedule but the next two episodes *really* need to be watched together.

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

7:50 has toilet paper survived, or do they all use Space Bidets? Or 3 seashells?

[@felipegonzales5575]

Were starting to get to the good part of this show lol. I know its hard to believe but it gets way better

[@cliffward2400]

Fantastic show, loving your reactions. Get ready for the juice!

[@MrJohndish]

Just becouse I know you are also watching The Legend of Vox Machina. The expanse books where also originally a TTRPG which I feel this kind of group/party writing is becoming very popular. Just again look at the new DnD movie... :D

[@hawkthorn33]

"This show man! I am into it! It's got me" Hehe, you are not even to the good parts yet. There is very little in this show that is a throwaway line, or moment. Date night with Drummer, "Have you ever talked to a Pedophile?" Two big examples, but they are there for a reason. May take a season or two to get to them, but they are all seeds put there for a reason.

[@spacechampi0n]

Amos is a sociopath and knows it, and tries to be better by following the lead of people like Naomi and now Holden. That "is it reversible?" is heartbreaking when you realize he's talking about himself.

[@riderinblack7613]

I describe Amos as, "a highly moral sociopath". But I think he's deeper than that. He suppressed his empathy as a child to survive, so I see him growing back toward empathy and love by seeing how Naomi and Holden treat others.

[@michaelkreitzer1369]

You tapped into the fundamental problem with modern TV. Most writers rooms are staffed by 35 year old children, and most modern shows are written by children for children. This is why all the Star Trek reboots are so terrible. Your watching people that look like adults in highly critical military positions handling their problems like 12 year olds.

[@BrunoBarata78]

Actually Kollob is not the name of the planet where god lives, but the closest star to it (EX-mormon here 😅).

[@unidentifiediconography8837]

I'm not a Mormon either, but fyi... Moroni was the angle that visited Joseph Smith numerous times throughout his life... allegedly...🤔 anyway, I'm a big fan of the expanse, and I'm really enjoying rewatching this show with you two... ✌️💙

[@chaost4544]

Diogo is definitely a crypto bro 🤣

[@kalmarr120]

There’s tons of mormons in southern Alberta (if you’re not from Calgary originally and don’t know that), probably why they got you confused when there were so many of you!

[@tuber7081]

I’m just throwing this out there……when you start Brandon Sanderson, please, please, please read the Mistborn trilogy, Warbreaker, then stormlight archive….. only way that makes sense. Mor than happy to give you spoiler free details if you’d like

[@datdudeinred]

Everyone loves that guy 😂

[@JDMunoz-ct9xn]

You guys make the best faces.

[@Benjamas-]

This is such a great show, the books are worth a read as well.

[@mndrew1]

So if Cumberbatch's Sherlock was a 'high functioning sociopath' does that make Amos a 'medium functioning sociopath'? Don't get me wrong, I love Amos as much as anyone; just wondering.

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

Neither are sociopaths. If you go through a list of sociopath traits you'll find Amos only fits a few and is the exact opposite of several.

[@jayburn00]

Getting freaky here lol

[@bitteroldjoe]

Bobbie and Drummer make this show great.

[@nathanielhoward1498]

This is your best reaction.

[@anon_234]

If you like Drummer now, you're going to like her even more by the end of the show. She and Amos are my two favorite characters.

[@kirkdarling4120]

Spoilers.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

So, you're saying she survives to the end of the show? Well, guess we don't have to ever be concerned about her safety. C'mon, people. Mind your words. Delete this comment.

[@Haxerous]

Handball....sure...not like squash exists in the future or anything...

[@Shugoshin9720]

Holden is not wrong. At least kill Dresden after you get the info.

[@spacechampi0n]

I like the pew pew pew

[@foxtango3862]

Nerdy you should go and read or even listen to "The Churn" its "Amos" back story. No spoilers for the show at all as it takes place 10-15 years prior.

[@kirkdarling4120]

No. The Churn spoils the hell out of an episode of a later season.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

Uh, no. Part of the fun of Amos' character is peeling the onion of his backstory layer by layer. It's an experience new viewers find compelling. You're suggesting they make it into a glass onion...

[@davidforrester3147]

it was like how battlestar galactica would reuse certain clips, these shows need to get creative to keep their budets low

[@Jfriedman420]

I'm not gay but I would totally go for Amos lol

[@Ugnutz]

The show writing is so good because the book writers worked on the show and wrote most of the episodes

[@kelvintesha6148]

You guyz should read the books

[@steriopticon2687]

The Expanse started as an attempt at a MMO RPG, so Holden rolled Charisma 10?

[@ThanesTito]

iirc The Expanse started out as a tabletop RPG which got later on writen out as books - so Holden probably rolled Charisma 18 XD

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Wisdom probably on the 7-8 on a D&D scale, if that.

[@Trepanation21]

@@ThanesTito And I love that Ty said (?) that a lot of the base characters were inspired by characters his friends had made and played waaaay back in the day on the tabletop.

[@Irgendjemand1986]

Love this show, but the way they treat "marine" and "soldier" as interchangeable is infuriating.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

This is an American issue which is not universal. "Soldier" has long been a catchall term for someone who serves in the military (giving rise to euphemisms and adages throughout the ages). Historically, the first distinctions from that came with naval service ("sailor" or "mariner") and then air service ("pilot" or "airman"). With the advent of naval doctrines, the notion of armed fighters assigned to ship and shore duties became standard and those eventually became "marines". Largely, though, marine elements were either navy or army regiments. Relatively few nations carved out a marine column or a Marine Corps. In fact, the various names assigned were translated as "naval _infantry"_ or "naval _soldier"_ across history. The fact is, the majority of the planet view military people with guns as soldiers, regardless of their branch of service, unless they are specific famous roles (aircraft pilot, ship's captain, etc.). And, in the most general definition, people are right. A soldier is a professional member of a state military, in it's broader definition. Alas, American culture deifies military service and y'all get yer panties in a bunch when people don't use the "correct" American appellation. But in the end, a Marine is a soldier even if they're not a Soldier (note the capitalization). Eg.: "Be a good soldier" is not a phrase which only applies to members of the Army. TLDR: Regimental titles are fine to police but using "soldier" as a catch-all term, especially in colloquial expressions, is widely-accepted by civilians worldwide.

[@northerntao]

And you also brought up something that bugs me a little. I don’t get the impression that Naomi and Drummer are / were sexually intimate. I took it as a friendship that was quick to evolve due to their shared background as Belters who have risen above their humble backgrounds. This seems like a popular interpretation, as in they were bumping uglies, but it didn’t land for me. Anyone else?

[@tonycamas9747]

I don't think from this episode you can see much but a budding friendship. Is it possible more went on than what we saw? I suppose, but I think if they wanted to show those two falling in love, or even lust, I think they would have shown it. Regardless of the cultural norms in place, the likelihood that Naomi and Drummer would have done anything other than dance together at *this* point seems slim to me. But I don't think people who see something between the two characters are saying it based on this first encounter. As to whether something like that develops later on, I don't think it's possible to predict at this point; we don't even know if they'll ever see each other again. There may or may not be something to discuss about this later, but not right now (at least, not without spoilers).

[@Erithacus]

It was clearly only a friendship (and it was like that in the books but with a different character). One thing I love about this show is that it doesn't sexualize everything everyone everywhere. The writing is too good for that. Even the main romantic story is not in the foreground, but somewhere in the background. And people are crazy with shipping everyone. I've seen people who shipped Moomin and Snufkin (if you know Moomins). As for later events which are spoilers it's still very subtle.

[@tywco]

God doesn’t live on the planet Kolob. It’s just the planet nearest to heaven. And now you know as much about Kolob as the Mormons, which is nothing.

[@spacewizard69]

are you guys brother and sister? you kinda look like or I am wrong?