The Most Annoying Strategy? [AOE3]

[@AussieDrongo]

Do you think this is the most annoying strategy? Played against anything worse than this before? Let me know!

[@EspressoCatPlays]

Mass forts

[@fenrissilverfang8419]

Euro civs get mortars which have more range and can probably deal with it eventually but... without them or siege cards like the japanese bonus range one, I think you're gonna have a real bad time. Not sure if heavy cannons work?... Also Lakota doesnt even get any long ranged siege so they dont have any way to deal with it at all I reckon.

[@MichaeldbestG]

I Say it`s more Annoying than Fatslob Wall Strategy like No Other Siege unit can have that sort of range

[@chrisharvey7461]

yes way back in Nilla there was a French player that only built walls, insane amount of walls very quickly and would micro your ability to cut through them, I gave up a couple of time due to boredom

[@musikkritik6316]

Rushing.

[@allancrev]

I like this format, better than streaming highlights

[@baseerplays4856]

Fair

[@bigbroarivus]

That warchief slowly walking menacingly towards the 3 light cannon have the same energy as an old man smack bunch of people for hanging at his home.

[@jahrazzjahrazz8858]

26:20 that light cannon pulling a 180 shot off like a boss

[@baseerplays4856]

Op

[@vladimirlagos2688]

This was fun. Seeing Drongo use his experience to gauge the strategies of the two players is always fun. Plus, it is a refreshing change to see a game with other civs beside Sweden.

[@michaelharris6441]

As a Aztec player this was a thing of beauty ! And yes Drongo this is a great format. Also would like to see some more of those coaching videos you were doing a while back.

[@Harrier_DuBois]

Nice to see you review games of other players, we can only learn so much from Sweden games. Thanks for the great content Aussie!

[@chrisbynum6023]

I like this style. I really enjoy when you mention the rules of thumb for market upgrades or dock upgrades. Its helpful as a new player to know when I should look to buy the upgrade.

[@StatedOregon5]

I would love to see more of that kind of videos

[@hkanything]

Like the format to review others' replay

[@ethanbarton]

Love this format, and that triple kill through the wall hell yeah!

[@TombstoneThe]

i really do like this format of video. you're pretty good at analytical commentating, it's cool to hear you talk strategy without being distracted by playing the game and watching the chat.

[@TombstoneThe]

addendum: this game in particular was amazing. the aztec's strat was incredibly clever, docking on the enemy's side of the map and killing three cannons in one hit through a wall were both massive plays.

[@hadidcortez6036]

I like this format, would like to see more

[@danielbrenner7922]

I like this video format mostly because we can learn more about the other civs. Keep up the great content

[@JordanGr100]

I think we can tell you put effort and time into your videos so really any type of video you put out is enjoyable. And because of that effort I dont mind at all the uploads straight from the live stream. So more content pls😁

[@dervakommtvonhinten517]

he says "popular on other channels", i hear T90 xD

[@iwersonsch5131]

yeah i guess it is pretty annoying to be up against - a build limit of 14 fortifications in age 3 and 28 in age 4, rather than the usual 7 - a 143% HP increase stacking multiplicatively instead of additively with other increases - a 2k HP war chief that can take out your cannons - arrow knights that you can't culv because your civ doesn't let you (if culvs even work) - an already by default beefier version of the Outpost

[@winstonjones7912]

Your commentary is on NFL playoff level. I love it.

[@fernandoalarcon2911]

Great commentary, this was fun to watch. Thanks drongo

[@ledzepplinkid12321]

I like this format, especially since Interjection and Zuta aren't really casting anymore.

[@CatNiTV]

My friend celine did this a lot. Won her so many games. Super effective for team game too for buying time for your allies because it took too long for the enemy to take them down. One of the best cheese I have ever seen 😂

[@vamoarrivalospibe9658]

Love you bro! Love your vids they help tons!!!

[@goodrowj]

I mean the only real response to this would be to shut down the fire pit. Whether or not that's always doable is a different story, but in this case the Aztec player built out HEAVILY to the south. His eastern entrance was far more exposed, only without many fort slots left to play with in the event of a rush.

[@ShahTalks]

I like this format

[@BEARxFPS]

Loving this format

[@weirdchamp7790]

mashed built a fucking roman empire in that corner

[@michaelwhite4522]

I really enjoyed the 'play by play', esp getting equal time spent on both. Very cool idea, id watch more and like, lol, if you made them

[@colonnellomccandless4229]

I do prefer this cast format over the live games, tho my favourites are still the guides.

[@Turalcar]

I was curious whether exploiting XP dance was viable. Now I wonder what other decks could use it

[@rawkneeroy5799]

It's really nice to see u r reviewing others game too, i think if there's any civ other than these ancient civ can probably beat him up u can make a try, ask any of your friend to do the same strategy and try any European civ or asian civ

[@MiniUchiha]

Love the format. This strategy seems fun if you're the one using it but infuriating if you are up against it lol

[@jhonatanbata8397]

I was really hoping they'd remove town dance for DE. Not even with mortars and mass cannon can you push fast enough

[@mathieundk50]

Aussie Drongo you are the best ! :) I also like your songs ^^

[@harryeast95]

This seems like a trade monopoly situation where you hope your army can hold the TPs until the clock run downs.

[@greatscythe1116]

Yes, that's how it feels.

[@aronkyne1]

Guides/games/meme games/casts keep em coming

[@tplato3268]

I knew melee abilities can penetrate walls but never consider that as a strategy.

[@SherlocksGameplay]

like this format

[@philipprosch7566]

I like the format!

[@ansettwise0005]

I don't know, maybe the Portuguese range-finding mortars can deal with this?

[@squamiger7720]

haud could go trade monopoly and use his own town dance to protect the TPs

[@gongal]

Great format

[@sudarshanreddy3122]

I would probably go for waters and get atleast 1 mortar. Focus his TC

[@joh9143]

format good

[@chefboyardee2670]

format is good

[@djnotnice4622]

that strat was sick as fuck lol

[@GabrielGarcia-oe6yf]

I love this commentary! Other commentary from high rated games kind of assumes we know all this and is very matter of fact. Not a fan 😬

[@UnfilteredTrue]

Would like more of these

[@samuelaylmer804]

More of this please

[@ritochkabasaev]

Finally Aztecs shines bright and swede lamers will switch to em

[@kennypowers2341]

needed to trade monopoly not resign

[@tylersoendker5366]

I played against someone who did this as well, as Japan and I still couldn’t take it. Mortars were shredded by arrow knights.

[@Aetherius74]

i guess if you come up against this, you pray you are brits with all the grenadier upgrades in your deck

[@Megatron998]

Interesting game

[@MrNetrizhul]

16k hp? Time to put Great Bombard in work.

[@baseerplays4856]

Sick vid

[@WadeSmith-oe5xd]

Why do you harvest food before gold as Dutch? Don't you need to max workers (which cost gold) ASAP to compete? I have trouble balancing reaching Age 2 in time to stop the extreme AI rush vs getting enough workers, so I tend to mine gold the entire game.

[@AndersGenaamd]

I'm main Dutch, you want to reach second age as fast as possible ofc. This you can do by putting 3 of your start vills to gold so you can create vills steadily and the rest on food so you get fast age up you should be around 16 vills when aging up if you also send the 3 vills card.

[@iwersonsch5131]

wait I think the HP increase from town ceremony is bugged Percentage increases in AoE3 usually stack additively (which is why the Kurassier nerf can exist for example), but the town ceremony increased the noble hut HP by 143% of 6900 rather than by 143% of 4500 or 3000

[@fernandoaburto7040]

It's not really bugged, that is how it was designed, any pasive upgrade that doesn't come from techs or shipments is added to the final stats rather than the base stats. The same happens with the iro warchief HP aura and other things like Daymios or the Japanese wonder whose name I don't really remember

[@fernandoaburto7040]

So if, for example, an aztec unit is 100% stronger in imperial age because of upgrades, the total amount of their attack is 200%. And the biggest attack buff you can get from the war dance in the fire pit is 27% if I remember well. That 27% is added on top of the total 200%, so if you think of it like any other upgrade, it would actually be 54% on base stats. That also applies with spanish unction, but with a higher percentage

[@fernandoaburto7040]

And that's why the HP increase in buildings isn't as low as it would seem, cause it's the same case there

[@dolphincup]

community plaza bonuses and aura bonuses apply to totals rather than base-stats. so it's not a bug, it's just how it works in the game.

[@iwersonsch5131]

@@fernandoaburto7040 woah that's pretty OP to do it that way then imo. It might be a lot easier to balance to put outposts at a disadvantage scaling-wise here

[@osmanberathamurcu]

making hussars in age 2 to kill villies

[@zyc8198]

28:20 No gg wasn't called; gross had been called. i

[@adityagore7296]

Fun!

[@gabrielgerhard9122]

can you make a vid on how to counter French players? 6 out of 13 matches I've played were French players it's not fun anymore, they are dominating Elo ladder.

[@bbrendell]

We need more mash potatoes

[@ytissuchasnowflake2696]

Playeing against any native American civ is pain SPECIALLY THE HAUNDONESE OR Aztec WITH THERE EARLY RUSH

[@patximartel]

No brain turtling, yeah that's the definition of annoyimg

[@danielc8672]

Fitz has never heard of coming in from the back I guess... EASY counter to let the guy build up the front and you take out his back wall and its GG....

[@satyakisil9711]

What to do against Mortars?

[@FlokiTech]

Probably die, but mabye the 30 range arrow bois can hold

[@iwersonsch5131]

With 2 different types of towers, maybe the build limit should be nerfed to 4

[@triplesharigan]

well now i know where my brother found his strat luck has it he was my ally

[@IrishRepoMan]

I main Ottos. I creep forward with outposts. Offensive defense.

[@RLC58]

what was wrong with calling them Iroquois?

[@princevesperal]

Well, one is an autonym, and the other is an exonym. It's the same difference as "French" versus "Français" or "German" versus "Deustch". _Haudenosaunee_ is how they call themselves in their own language, whereas _Iroquois_ is the word Europeans used to talk about them. In all fairness and logic, the name used in the game should probably be _Iroquois_ if the game is played in English. All other civilizations are referred to by their English exonym, not the word they use to call themselves in their own language. If you want to laugh a little bit, have a look at the exonyms that the Chinese use to talk about other countries, it's quite surprising!

[@RLC58]

@princevesperal You got back to my comment 3 years later, and I am now better informed. You, sir, are a hero. Seems like they changed it to make the native Americans happier, I'm not fussed either way. Some of the Chinese names for other countries are interesting! Thank you for your response.

[@Strazzle3]

Iro-"kwa", not iro-"koy"

[@tom4150]

This game is basically being a stalemate and taking forever

[@dolphincup]

wonder if a Haudenosaunee person would be more offended by Iroqious or by Hoodenaise?

[@mickethegoblin7167]

I am pretty sure they do not care either way. At least, most of them

[@Moze9116899]

How-Den-Owe-Cee

[@G_L_J]

So... is that Riot Coke?

[@kemalbey271]

Is that even legal?! FBI OPEN UP

[@dossombras]

This looks like a strat I am going to steal and use on my friends. They'll never see it coming.

[@AllSportsAthletics]

So a guy playing different than 99% of the players in the ladder is "annoying" get your shit together guys.. I love what he is doing.

[@sirgando3774]

same.

[@thaddansen2989]

He's not playing Aztecs in AoE3, he's playing Imperial Guard from Dawn of War.

[@Youngmuniii]

he’s not playing differently than 99% of players lmfao a majority of the players do trolly-cheesey stuff like this to get wins. turtling and making 5 huts in-base is considered “low” and he was in the stream watching live so he knew that he could get away with it vs lakota. a civ without many siege options.

[@musikkritik6316]

Rush.

[@RocketRaccoonIzHot]

haudenosaunee is pronounced hu-da-sho-nee. trust me as I heard the name from its source

[@arconrevan]

Its said Iroquois

[@TheManofthecross]

one can counter this by heavy artillery mortors and more can shut that down esally.

[@princevesperal]

I don't think the Haudenosaunee have access to mortars, though.

[@Colourfrog626]

it does require a 3v3 but you could make this more annoying by adding a Portugal player with team walls and a Chinese player the the great wall card building excessive walls, i have tried the later part with friends and the stats are really dumb on the walls.

[@francisbouthillette8496]

i'd have to say monster trucks in my base in a ranked game is REALLY the most annoying/lame strategy LMAO. but yeah this is some major turtling happening right there

[@CountlessPWNZ]

some guy kept calling me a norf just because i was playing the british. threw my game off, of course.

[@alessandrocamargo7916]

Oprichnik box is the worns annoying strat

[@chrisharvey7461]

Dutch and India have cards to counter this

[@Youngmuniii]

ottoman fi revolt. spain fi revolt. japan. lakota contain and trade monopoly. aztec fi skull knight cheese are all on the same level of annoying I think.

[@ytissuchasnowflake2696]

Those damn skull night i swear they have higher range than mortar

[@mathieumerien9223]

no mortar no win i think

[@curtisreed4580]

Very annoying i have played against it before its a tough one to win for sure

[@jwddwj9]

I think you saying haudeneese is way more annoying and frankly disrespectful than just making a good faith attempt to say it and getting it wrong.... I don't blame you it is a ridiculously tough word but maybe give it another thought

[@ivancarrillo8809]

I dont see how is disrespectful. Iroquois is a legit English word. But I do not see people calling the Germans the Deutsche, the Chinese the 中國人, the Japanese 日本語, the Aztecs Los Mexicas (and mexican lol), etc. Calling the others using your on language and understanding IS respectful. Soooooo, just chill bro. Enjoy!

[@jwddwj9]

@@ivancarrillo8809 I think the difference is that Iroquois is the name the Colonizers called them by, not their actual name. All the examples you give are just translations of those people's names into english. While the situation with Indian Americans is westerners actually making up names for them. Calling people by the name that they asked to be called is basic human decency. No need to get heated about this bro! Don't let my mild suggestions stop you from enjoying the game.

[@ivancarrillo8809]

@@jwddwj9 Not The Aztec. They are Mexicas... and you see me not really cearing about it, for it is not disrespectful at all. Unless you want to make a deal of if, wish I don’t. For I cannot, should not expect other wish is not a native speaker of a language to use mine perfectly. So, I understand they have, and must adapt the name of others to they own understanding. Wish is good. I like that.

[@ivancarrillo8809]

Of cours, this is just my opinion. Not a fact. Cheers!

[@jwddwj9]

@@ivancarrillo8809 I gotta concede yeah the Aztec name isn't what those people called themselves, good catch. And I think you're correct, names are going to have to be translated because different languages have different sounds and such. However I think the distinction with names like Soiux and Iroquois is that they are new names made up by the people who colonized them, not simply translations of there actual names. I appreciate hearing your perspective tho, thanks for a friendly discussion, cheers!

[@yusufihsanfidan4450]

At this point, it will be in the comments when you pronounce something right my man.

[@Youngmuniii]

A gamer abusing parts of the game the developers weren’t expecting and consider themself good for learning how. 🤡