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[@MilenaSimsic]

"Let's fiiiiiiinger it out." Yeah, don't say that ever again.

[@brendanting2176]

more like lets finger it IN if ya know what I mean!

[@willoliver9960]

@TheoCampbell I think you are reading too much into this comment. This is comedic hyperbole referencing the commenter's perceived "cringe-worthiness" of Linus' combined pun and double entendre. This is not a political statement. A political statement would be something like "I would like my representative in congress to propose a bill banning Linus from making this and similar statements again in the future.", which is an absurd statement that no one here is making. Making assumptions about the political positions of someone you know only through a single 10 word comment (4 of which are quoting Linus) and proceeding to insult them on the basis of these assumptions does not accomplish anything productive. In fact, people are likely to interpret it as antisocial behaviour, and may be less likely to take you seriously as a member KZbin community in the future if you continue to behave in this manner.

[@robsku1]

@@willoliver9960 Well put, I don't think anyone has ever put this out as clearly - albeit it's a bit long.

[@ackmckbacklvack8083]

I only liked this because it was on 666 wat I don’t give a crap about it being the devils number!I just want to fuck with the ocd people

[@Quade235]

@@willoliver9960 r/iamverysmart

[@maartenkramers8314]

My PC Budget: $30- Case $30 - PSU $75 - Motherboard $75 - RAM $100 - GPU $150- CPU $50 - SSD $75 - Monitor $20 - Mouse $350 - Keyboard

[@ri9p3r89]

Lol

[@kpo8718]

Maarten Kramers zelotes t90 mouse?

[@Siafk]

You need different priorities: 10€ Case 50€ CPU Cooler 60€ PSU 60€ Headset 65€ Mouse 70€ Keyboard 100€ RAM 150€ Mainboard 200€ SSD 250€ Monitor 300€ CPU 700€ GPU

[@tommyshelby2872]

Mine is like: €50 case €60 psu €110 motherboard €100 ram €200 gpu €300 cpu €100 ssd €400 monitor €95 mouse €60 keyboard 😂😂😂

[@RetroPlus]

My computer budget: $0 case $0 PSU $0 Motherboard $0 RAM $0 GPU $0 CPU $0 SSD $0 Monitor $0 Mouse $0 Keyboard I'm broke so I just use my imagination

[@lettherebegames8]

the headphones at the start are pretty much the exact design of the ones that they recently did a video on

[@sret5354]

the abyss

[@Nah-pd1sv]

I love how I love how I love how I love how *JUST SHUT UP*

[@lettherebegames8]

@@Nah-pd1sv very sorry, it won't happen again

[@Nah-pd1sv]

Lettherebegames good job editing it

[@lettherebegames8]

@@Nah-pd1sv 👍

[@KostasPagratis]

As a professional coder that types all day every day, I love this keyboard. Been typing on one for 7+ years. I will say, your productivity may plummet for a few days, but if you stick with it, you'll end up loving this keyboard.

[@Milamberinx]

I'm a professional coder too, I use Ergodox (like this but smaller, and without the finger wells). It's interesting that there are so many unusual keyboards among coders compared with other people who also need to spend all their time typing on a keyboard.

[@theenigma1109]

Haha I'm a software dev, but type 32 wpm and use a shitty old keyboard

[@user-ui7ff7eg8l]

ELA! Epharisto

[@RobKohr]

@@Milamberinx programmers are just the type of people to try doing things differently for optimization sake. It is a personality type that ends up driving them to programming

[@Garentei]

@@RobKohr That's so true.

[@outsider344]

When it gets knocked off by a Chinese company for less than 40 bucks, I'll buy one.

[@outsider344]

"No space bar on the left side" Never mind...

[@Xorume.]

I think you could remap the space bar to the left site and change the caps

[@lucianodebenedictis6014]

just what i wanted to say

[@NonLogicalDev]

There is Ergodox EZ with a very similar layout that is a bit cheaper, but this ergonomic market is pretty niche and even DIY kits cost around 260$(I built my own Ergodox infinity). It is not impossible to make a cheaper keyboard but probably not at this volume.

[@Oromis133]

I would pay it even 150$ but for the price they offer I wouldn't even think about it. A very cool idea non the less

[@AshkanKiani]

If you're a programmer, you should try this keyboard. I was only 18 when I started to get pain in my right wrist, but I had been programming for a few years already. I told my brother and he bought me the first version as a gift. I've been using it for about 7 years now. I only replaced it once because I spilled beer all over it about 2.5 years ago and couldn't manage to clean it sufficiently, but by then I had a job where spending $300 on a keyboard is fine. My boss even bought me one to use at work. I have 0 wrist pain, and it saved my career. No joke, no exaggeration. I have bought the ErgoDox, and it doesn't compare to this keyboard. I'm now considering buying the second version that came out during the time I owned this one as an upgrade, and selling my current keyboard. I expect to be able to sell it for $150 still. It's that reliable and valuable. This is a small company, but for a certain audience, it's a lifesaver and there's no better ergonomic keyboard. Look for one used, because I'd bet the previous owner took great care in maintaining it.

[@God-mb8wi]

Weak genetics? It shouldn't take only 2 years to experience pain in your wrists due to strain

[@jesusiskingofkingsz]

physiotherapy woulda been free

[@CripplingDuality]

@@jesusiskingofkingsz Do you want to be doing that your whole life?

[@CripplingDuality]

@@God-mb8wi Yet another armchair expert...1) in fact it can take far less, 2) RSI, tendinitis, and CPT (among other issues) affect lots of otherwise fit people.

[@Crutoiful]

i write 105wpm on a 4 euro keyboard and no fucks given. You have to adapt to things, not just thinking that because it was ,,designed'' for something it is for it. It's just cheap marketing bullshit

[@fahimzahir9587]

3:33 “Weak ass little finger” Linus chill...savage man lol

[@buzzlightyearoh]

Fahim Zahir lmfaoo

[@Marc-zi4vg]

0:00 he just predicted the 5k headphones linus is going to review 2 years before!

[@linusdn2777]

Lol i thought that was a reference to that video. Didn't even look at the dates.

[@nightzzmixx]

0:42 Was that sexual harassment?

[@seanthenetworkguy8024]

#metoo

[@shmaxo]

I was installing a security system for a customer and a wire got stuck in the wall. I told my assistant to 'finger it out', rather than destroy the wall with pliers. The customer heard me and called my boss! When I got back to the office, my boss said that the customer complained that it was a 'sexually explicit' statement! I had no idea that it could have been misunderstood that way. Maybe I'm naive, but I'm more inclined to believe that the customer had the dirtier mind.

[@Jonar7300]

@@shmaxo now thats a real durty mind test

[@andr3336]

Yes it was

[@rojirrodrigo8375]

Loooooll

[@galaxycxvii3011]

-350$ -no rgb

[@turki_wz]

Galaxy CXVII how fuckin dare they?

[@suryashekhardas6299]

Galaxy CXVII no backlit

[@thedominomaster101]

-tfw meme arrows are taboo

[@hydydyysydy291]

elei tfw you try to green text on KZbin.

[@michaelj829]

I don't even think it has a backlight, fuck rgb, at least have a backlight

[@eliseumds]

4 years with this keyboard and I have to say it was one of my best purchases. Zero wrist pain since then. Took me about 2 months to get used to it, now I can type as fast as before. Insane durability, it behaves just like the first day. I'm getting their new Kinesis 360 soon because I can carry it inside a small backpack, but I'm sure the current one will last at least one more decade.

[@Abcdefg47363]

7:51 "Might just be your type" I see what you did there

[@Techoverse]

that keyboard looks like a foot massager

[@GamingExpert1998]

Techoverse lol

[@pressed2]

"Your weakass little finger" 😂😂😂

[@ChungMyers]

pressed2 "But let's pussyfooting around..."

[@CyberbotXD]

Where

[@iexist2597]

1:56 That expression....

[@purplelord8531]

this gave us the dactyl manuform so even though I've never touched one of these I still have this to thank

[@AndroidA258]

that sitcker is killing me, WHY IT ISNT IN THE CENTER

[@masongose5936]

Brazuka - Leo your spelling is killing me

[@craigmjackson]

Damnit!!! I never noticed that and I look at this thing all the time! Now I'm gonna think about it! Thanks a lot @Brazuka_TXT!

[@drakedbz]

The lights are centered, it just so happens they designed a sticker to go around the lights that doesn't have them in the middle of the sticker.

[@emho8564]

Dennis lowkey enjoyed sitting on the pole

[@emho8564]

Tee B well you just said it

[@Tee_B]

EmHo Okay Mr. 6 year old.

[@999samus7]

When linus said "perfect by the book typist" I felt proud of myself

[@frankreiff]

Been using one since 1996. Saved my career. Tried lots of other keyboards, but this is the best for both productivity and RSI prevention.

[@jzero4813]

I've used this keyboard for about 16 years - it gets pounded on daily (I'm a developer so I type a lot). It's moved country twice and, other than having issues with USB3.0 controllers, it's still working like a dream. The keys are Cherry MX Browns - they're practically indestructible. Yeah, it's expensive, but how many of you have kept a keyboard for over a decade and a half? Seriously. I didn't buy it because of pain or whatever, it was just really comfortable. Maybe there was a learning curve, I don't know, but I can easily switch between this and a regular keyboard without problems.

[@thomasthomaslai]

used one for 10 year plus as well, as someone who had surgery for carpal tunnel syndrome they really help.

[@JJYang-mv2dy]

how is gaming on it?

[@awesomeguy9573]

J.J. Yasir based on other similar (based on time/experience with it) comments, probably not so good. I say probably, because two other comments say that they type a lot for their jobs, and it does an excellent job for that. However, the general consensus is that for scrolling through the Internet, or gaming, or other activities where you might need both, they switch to a standard keyboard

[@fjodorf7341]

+Thomas Lai oh god, surgery for carpal tunnel syndrome is my worst fear ... I’m mainly getting pain in my mouse hand right now. Do you have any ergonomics tips to prevent it?

[@amberbaum4079]

+Fjodor F I switched to a wireless vertical mouse half a year ago (standard 5 button vertical mouse from havit). I don't regret making that decision one bit. Using these type of mice doesn't require you to learn using them. It's a bit unusual, but you will get used to it very quickly. Your hand gets slightly tilted but that's it. And my cheap-ass mouse even let's me play games like Hyper-Light Drifter just fine. I admit that I'm lazy so I don't bother plug in my standard mouse when trying to play more faster paced games or games that requires you to aim very precisely. Not the best option to play competitively, but it gets it's stuff done. So I don't mind using it in combination of singleplayer games or multiplayer games. Other people in this comment section have mentioned trackball mice. Can't really say anything about it, because I never used one. So maybe try out one of them and if you like it try upgrading to a good model. Here is a really nice review that I can relate to. After all I always have been using standard mice and never bothered thinking about my wrist until it started to hurt. www.tested.com/tech/accessories/817768-testing-ergonomics-vertical-mice/

[@YonatanAvhar]

350$ and no RGB lighting!? who are you kidding?

[@fairguinevere666]

Yonatan ಠ_ಠ

[@IrakliMosulishvili]

but can it play crysis?

[@livinagoodlife]

zZiL341yRj736 no.. no.

[@will-ye]

@xxpyroxx75 it's worth $350... much cheaper than wrist surgery. "it simply does not cost that much to produce" newsflash: ALL companies have to sell their products at a higher price to make money

[@LarryHerzogJr]

These are great. I have used one as my primary on my Mac for MANY years...

[@ceramicmagic4169]

I type in Dvorak. through learning the new layout, I now touch-type every word with the correct finger and it would be an easy transition to ortholinear -- that's an added advantage to learning Dvorak :)

[@WakelessLon]

the fact that that keyboard costs more than my computer in total

[@shanebywater6628]

WakelessLon your videos are incredibly unfunny

[@trevinlin7933]

WakelessLon you wrote that two times

[@nightwolf873]

Well considering the fact that mine was free off the side of the road same

[@JackWeedFunny]

That’s one cheap computer

[@qweeeefsniffa]

thats the cheapest computer that i've ever seen

[@NordboDK]

wife still uses her 15 year old Kinesis advantage, as a paralegal, so a very typing intensive job. she breaks 100 words per minute with cold hands... these keyboards last.

[@joshuapotter7372]

NordboDK - my wife is a court transcriber and easily blows through 2 keyboards a year. She uses the Microsoft Ergonomic board. They're getting harder to find locally so she keeps an extra one around. I've bought her different keyboards to try but she always goes back to her Microsoft. I'm going to buy her this one to try since her carpal-tunnel is just getting worse.

[@oneeyedsleep4107]

Joshua Potter sooo, did you buy it?

[@blyat7276]

asking the real question here

[@General12th]

+NordboDK At first, I read your wife was a paraplegic, not a paralegal, so I was wondering what went wrong.

[@JimDibb]

No lights at all, it's a keyboard, not a monitor ;)

[@trwolfe1]

I've used the Advantage Pro for years, which appears to be the same keyboard, and I would never go back. I placed a mouse pad in the middle. This would be a major improvement.

[@EnderElohim]

3:02 well now i know why i dont bent my right hand like that :D You dont need to bend your right hand like that to type.

[@petermell1831]

I've used this keyboard daily since 1999. My hands are sensitive to typing and this keyboard has truly been revolutionary for me. The price is well worth it.

[@Michael-pg7rv]

For some people the price tag is definitely not a deal breaker. I do agree though that the construction looks weak and they for sure cheeped out on some aspects that should not be acceptable at that price range.

[@phenx4]

Yes it is peter... yes it js

[@loopylare]

I agree! I love this keyboard... similar problem for me, I started getting serious hand and wrist problems. This keyboard saved me!

[@ChihuahuaPorter]

I'd consider it but $300+? Hell no.

[@SamuelNelson]

Frankly, if you're considering a keyboard like this (or the ergodox, or the truly ergonomic - all three are priced about the same and have similar advantages), then it means you're weighing the keyboard against never being able to type again because of increasingly severe RSI. $350 is cheap compared to the salary difference between a programmer who can type vs one who can't. Besides, when you compare it to other mechanical keyboards, the price difference isn't that huge. Any decent mechanical keyboard is around $100-150, so one kinesis is around the price of three standard mechanical keyboards. If it lasts three times as long (and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it did - they're really well constructed), then it's not really any more expensive.

[@u-wot-n8]

Regular Keyboard: Cheap. Ergo: Not terribly expensive Mechanical: Not terribly expensive Ergo+Mech: "ow much u got?" I've got one of these at work and it's a lifesaver for hand pain. (company paid for half) At home where I game, I have an ergodox EZ, which is a similar layout but flat.

[@technoplasma2552]

Same

[@MetalheadBuser]

Samuel Nelson you might be right about that. But the keyboard it self is overpriced. Period. Guess they are trying to milk the ones, that really need it. I am aware, that they pulled of a design, that no one else have, so they can charge for that. And it also has neat feautres I guess. But in no way they can justify the price tag of 350$ for that thing. I can totally understand why you would want, or in some cases even need one. But still, there is nothing in or on that keyboard, that is worth the price. It is simply sold overpriced.

[@ataraxia2894]

Samuel Nelson I get that but for people who don’t type constantly for long periods of time, it’s not worth it.

[@Max_Marz]

I found one in the scrap hopper at work and forced myself to learn it. Its cool. I like it. I wish some of the buttons were arranged differently

[@holysol]

Crouching in videogames has strengthened my pinky, it is no longer a "weak-ass little finger", but is instead a "slightly-less-weak little finger" :)

[@Sly_404]

I am fairly certain there would be a market for that kind of chair!

[@rangerfurby]

this is stupid, strap the sides to a gaming chair and ill buy it.

[@9ryder]

Dont you dare to forget RBG lighting.

[@577473]

Ranger Furby maybe you can do it with this www.keymouse.com/gallery

[@MrTrombonebandgeek]

There's separated dvorak keyboards you can find for cheaper

[@matj12]

Somebody's done something similar before: www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6a65d2/lets_split_mounted_to_the_arms_of_my_chair_typing/

[@Hoch134]

Don't know if that would make sense if you need to use your mouse as well.

[@HadToChangeMyName_YoutubeSucks]

I've used ergonomic keyboards for around 20 years along with a trackball instead of a mouse. I actually have trouble typing on a rectangular keyboard and even have problems with a mouse. I could dig this I think, but that price is a concern. My keyboards don't last for 20 years but they do usually last long enough to lose all of their markings before the keys actually start failing (to my great amusement when someone else tries to use my keyboard with no letters on the keys) and I could buy at least 4 keyboards for that price.

[@whatever5575]

I switched to Dvorak layout to lessen the strain of typing. It's a minor change of habit that improves comfort and efficiency.

[@Lorenzo-hg2pi]

But can you play crysis?

[@DerickZ28]

It will give you a crysis.

[@nepnepnepnepnep]

stonecoldtrk crisis*

[@DerickZ28]

Cum Dumpster the game is spelled with a y so I stuck with it :P

[@crisrody852]

Buy a orbweaver, I play just everything there, is awesome!

[@nelsonsanchez9055]

At 4k 69fps

[@peterjansen4826]

I like what they do. This IS innovation that has been lacking in the keyboard market. Instead of all this RGB bullshit they address a serious issue: preventing RSI. They did this adequately by shaping it such that your arms and hands have the natural position (no muscle strengt required because you don't deviate from it) and they looked at both the placement of the keys and the shape. Wether or not they got it perfect at the first attempt doesn't realy matter to me, this is the way to go forward and other companies should definitely follow that example. Next step: different sizes for different builds of people.

[@ChristianLovenify]

Well to be fair this layout mapping has been around for like 10-15 years.

[@adamthedog1]

Yeah, it's an Ergodox layout. They're sadly often quite expensive.

[@peterjansen4826]

UniCore, I'll take your word for it, it is the first time I have seen it be done this extreme. adamthedog , I would guess that it is expensive because it is a niche product, when manufactured on a large scale I don't see any reason why it should be significantly more expensive. I am afraid that it won't get to this large scale unless the companies push it given the fact that many people would indeed need to relearn how to use a keyboard and given people their tendency to choose the route of least resistance.

[@crispybacon4240]

This isn't "innovation", there are tons of these split ergonomic keyboards, some of which are actually in two independent pieces. There is nothing new or special about this keyboard.

[@FindecanorNotGmail]

The ErgoDox copied the Kinesis, not the other way around. Kinesis has been around since 1992, and the shape has been almost exactly the same all this time - the differences being mostly on the inside. The current model does have some groundbreaking firmware though. The Kinesis had in turn copied the Maltron, which has been around since the 1970s and is even more niche and expensive because those are all hand-made.

[@SilverSerenity520]

I have actually used one of these keyboards about 10 years ago. The wonders of the IT Tech. Also helped someone change their system back from being in Chinese after their kid got their hands on it.

[@galacticviper4453]

Linus, you should do a review on the Dygma Raise. Its a very good ergonomic gaming keyboard that will help your posture, but not be annoying to learn how to use, and it actually looks like a keyboard

[@ignatiusj.reilly2124]

I've been using the Advantage Kinesis keyboard for almost 5 years now, and it has SAVED MY WRISTS. There's no other way of putting it. It's so comfortable now that the thought of using a standard keyboard makes me cringe in pain. The learning curve, however, is steep. It took me about a month to reach my old typing speed. But then again, I now type even faster than I used to. What the Kinesis is NOT suitable for is, as pointed in the video, casual web-surfing. If you want to keep one hand on the mouse and handle all keyboard duties with one hand - well, that's simply not physically possible with the Kinesis. For a couple of years, I kept my old keyboard on my desk and switched between them. When it was serious typing time, I used the Kinesis. When I just wanted to surf some sites or play games, I turned over to my old keyboard. In the end I just got too tired to switch between them and learned to use the Kinesis for everything. It's not as convenient, perhaps, but those were the best ~300$ I ever spent. My wrists are worth infinitely more than that.

[@Recycled]

Ignatius J. Reilly Informative! Well done.

[@nasilemak868]

Judging at the comment it looks like you work for Kinesis

[@carolynmmitchell2240]

Fu Sensei I'm sure he does the account seems fake and has nothing to it..

[@carolynmmitchell2240]

Fu Sensei no liked videos or anything, it's a fake comment from the company.

[@dylanhall5794]

carolyn mmitchell some people don't like videos, they have uploads though... but japanese?

[@tdog7326]

this is the best review I have ever seen, it made me laugh while also being informative and useful. 10/10 would watch again

[@SCUMMY4205]

#1 keyboard for programming Highly recommend this bad boy The pain in my hands went down so much because of the support it gives you The placement of the keys helps so much as well

[@wisteela]

Reminds me of a Maltron keyboard, but with a Qwerty layout. Means you could also have Dvorak and Colemak versions. I type 'C' with my index finger too. I'd never thought about it before.

[@Natewu188]

Linus' Bizarre adventures... Ep. 1 Bizarre Keyboard

[@FryingBerries]

You thought it was Linus making these videos... BUT IT WAS ME DIO!

[@Natewu188]

Lol!

[@ricerocket_ed6650]

is that a fucking JOJO REFERENCE

[@Natewu188]

EF_Wagon Yes it is

[@AquarialTV]

Phantom Row Mistype Tendency Keyboard Crusaders Ergonomics is Unbreakable Windows Aureo Switch Ocean CherryMX Ball Run Linuslion

[@poke_champ]

Wow txt files are emailable!

[@PongoXBongo]

Good for centralized distribution in an office environment, which is where most of these will probably end up.

[@tophart8679]

PongoXBongo Why not Google Docs?

[@PongoXBongo]

I was thinking more along the lines of server to client scripted distribution, transparent to the end user. Have a set of company standard macros, department/job specific mappings, etc. that can be pushed out from the IT dept. via Group Policy. The last thing you want is individual users customizing things that you have to then support. ;)

[@FindecanorNotGmail]

There are people with a Kinesis at work and one at home. People do share layouts with each other also.

[@SomeNot]

Does anyone use .txt any more. I thought you could use pages, .rtf or word files

[@nurtekin429]

I'm using it for more then 10 years now. In beginning it was so difficult I wanted to swap back. But once you pass few weeks. You will like it. I'm still using it.

[@denesk2794]

Switching to this keyboard is about 1 week of wanting to set it on fire and go back to a regular keyboard. However, when you are done and can use it: it is the best keyboard I ever had. Now on the price: I use a keyboard about 8-10 hours a day and make money with it. $300-350 depending on the deal. If you compare it to your car, that might be used less than 7 hours a week, and cost 10-20-30K, I don't even consider how this could be a "too expensive" item. Just my 2c

[@1800T-Bone]

*"Let's Finger It Out!"*

[@mcjoshuagaming6091]

Kakarot overNineThousand I was like FFS rlly Linus

[@noelmg9259]

I K R

[@WeldonWen]

( Attempting to think something dirty )

[@BlackMesaEmployee]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@TheFakeStickyBuns]

This line made my buns sticky.

[@floewqua]

Wait. I thought it was stupid because I typed the letter 'c' with my index finger, but apparently I'm not the only one.

[@spiraI64]

the layout is wrong, you're supposed to use your index finger for c and v, using the middle finger for c is impossibly awkward

[@floewqua]

I agree, it's like typing the 'm' with your middle finger.

[@itai2545]

mate i don't follow any rules, i just press the key i want with the finger that decides to land on it

[@allensmith471]

FloK Van I hear ya. I prefer to just headbutt my keyboard to type things out

[@PuerRidcully]

+spiral64 No, it's not. It's awkward to relearn if you learned it "the bad" way.

[@georgehoeflinger1400]

I used this keyboard for five years ago around 2001. it was fantastic I avoided Carpal Tunnel syndrome, ad typed over 50% faster.

[@cobbsta88]

Well, I only just learnt to touch type and it didn't take that long with the website I was using. After about 4 weeks I was at average typing speed, those websites are very good at hammering in new muscle memory.

[@TheRealBleach]

You can build a PC for $350 LOL

[@MajorLeagueBullshit]

not a good one

[@Ovenman940]

You can do both when you're an adult with a real job

[@dennispremoli7950]

actually, depedns on what you need

[@Joel-jl8nn]

Pentium g4560 and rx470 + other parts = 350$

[@ironsm4sh]

@BeyondOGTD you forgot the rest of the computer. a gpu alone won't work.

[@FrankTheTank107]

350$ Nacho platter

[@GCoda]

I got something like this, and i often put plate of food in the middle of keyboard, you can type and eat 10% more ergonomically

[@ritvikjoseph613]

A similar keyboard was featured in Blade Runner 2049, in the scene where K visits Wallace Corporation

[@verybigheart]

I tried this keyboard for several months. My hands are medium size for a male and I found my fingers were too short to easily reach the furthest away keys. I also found the vertically straight alignment of the key columns to be difficult. I appreciate that electronic keys do not need the older staggered style as they are not mechanical like typewriters were, but I found it too difficult to get used to. Maybe I've just been typing on the old layout for too many decades. Maybe if you're younger it's much easer to readjust. I've now found my perfect keyboard: the Matias Ergo Pro. The quality of the keys and solidity of the build is like a Rolls Royce. It's also built in 2 separate halves and is 'tented' for a more natural wrist position. The programmable macro keys are superbly useful.

[@meanmole3212]

Same. This keyboard is not that good if you have small hands, especially if the switches are LF. Reaching the key outside the home row means you have to twist your hand in bad positions and the thumb clusters don't offer enough keys to bind a good set of modifiers and layout changes (only 2 keys per thumb are comfortably reachable) if you'd like to use only the keys near the home row.

[@captapraelium1591]

FINALLY someone reviews a keyboard that doesn't have a layout from 1800's typewriters! THANK YOU LINUS.

[@Ovenman940]

Remappable, keycaps will be replaceable

[@Alexandruwwwww]

But why would you use that? It's one of the ugliest keyboards I've ever seen. I understand the benefits, but looks matter.

[@robertsnyder4480]

it can easily be switched to DVORAK if that is your thing.

[@captapraelium1591]

Available in dvorak, both dvorak+qwerty, open source tools available for making custom keycaps.... There's even modded/custom firmware for the board itself.

[@robertsnyder4480]

@Lec sjfsadk When your job is all about typing, and using a "normal" keyboard can or already does cause intense pain you'll understand the need for an erogonomic keyboard. I had the microsoft sculpt previous to the Kinesis and I would occasionally get lazy and use bad posture with my wrists and pay for it for about 2 days.

[@hovkhach638]

This was a very well written review! Who wrote this?

[@ezvkm77]

Bought one and am waiting for it to come in , also I learned to type on a teletype in the army< never could type well on a computer keyboard!

[@SebastianBosch]

A backspace close to your thumb is quite a nice thing in my opinion, I would rather have it here than all the way in a corner where I have to move my entire hand for it.

[@aigarsvanags2438]

I think this is for office jobs, not for gaming.

[@swaze6001]

How tf are u suppose to build in fortnite

[@tnamrod]

I think the lack of arrow keys already tells people that. How am I going to play my flash games?

[@Michael-pg7rv]

100% Macros would be more useful for programmers too. Not gamers.

[@Michael-pg7rv]

So you use this massive keyboard that takes up the whole desk space for only the left hand and leave none for the mouse. I don't see the benefits out weighing this.

[@pix3lated68]

@@swaze6001 You dont, you uninstall the game

[@daniihh]

I don't type like a normal person. I just have my subconsciousness pick out a finger and then that finger presses the next key. I don't know why but the normal way to type always seemed odd to me.

[@Riyguy]

Daniel Conley I have this method of "Fast plucking" where my brain just tells the closest finger "go press that button" and it does that. Kind of like 1st graders tapping at keys but I can reach speeds of about 70-80 words per minute.

[@serglian8558]

I just use both left and right hands to type. I use a touchscreen tablet (tablet with a touch screen).

[@honeyyb]

I'm definitely a "pecker" lol I mostly use my first two fingers, but can type pretty fast. I didn't learn the home row keys and stuff in school until after we got a home computer.

[@kodac6706]

Me too

[@philz_corsia]

yeah, i feel like hardcore typists would laugh at me for my "inferior" typing methods.

[@TR-qf2gt]

it’s wild looking back when james was just a new writer. now he is the right-hand man of LTT/LMG when it comes to video production and keeping things on track on a daily basis

[@tylerrogan4306]

I got those programmer wrists and I gotta say this looks like the best ergonomic keyboard I've ever seen. That said the price is out of my range. Worth every penny, if you have all those pennies.

[@kumoyuki]

I've been using a Kinesis Ergo for years. Literally. I've been using the one that I bought back in like 2003-ish pretty much continuously. It just keeps working, and it has kept my hands happy. And that last is the most important because before I started using it, I had *severe* hand/wrist pain. I couldn't pick up my kids, open my car door, or drive a stick without major pain. The Kinesis *WORKS*. Buy one. It's worth relearning how to type...

[@lilkwarrior5561]

@David Freer It's more than justifiable, especially with developers and pros in mind. Buy it and try it risk free for 60 days FFS.

[@mina86]

@David Freer, by the way, you might wanna give Programmer Dvorak keyboard layout a try.

[@michaelschuetz6404]

I bought mine in the mid-90's, and I had pretty much tried ALL OTHERS. Nothing even comes close to the Kinesis. I was actually really surprised at how short the learning curve was - really for me it was a matter of closing my eyes and just thinking where the keys 'should' be and just type. It is really hard to describe, but that is honestly all it took to adapt. Mine came with the old PC/XT plug (yep, huge 5-pin looking thing) and in the beautiful (NOT) yellow/brown cream color that all pc's had in the day. I wouldn't trade it for anything!

[@Peter_Parker69]

you should create a weird tech series

[@adamthedog1]

Right after they finish their two hundred other series.

[@Peter_Parker69]

tech series doesn't need a "season finale"

[@dkire1358]

There's a channel called "LazyGameReviews" that does a series called "oddware." Might want to check it out.

[@floydian218]

dkire13 I love me some lgr.

[@Peter_Parker69]

LGR is awesome. thanks anyway

[@DanielleWhite]

Looks like they listened about the finish and went to a flat silver or matte black. The switch choices are now Cherry MX Brown or Red Quiet; I went with the latter, because of needing to use it while on conference calls while working remotely, when I decided on this when I didn't like any other options to replace my failing MS Natural 4000. The first few days were rough but now, nearly 2 weeks later, I'm doing quite well and will probably be 100% soon. The vertical key alignment got me a lot but the biggest was the 6 key; Microsoft puts it on the left side of their split keyboards while the Advantage has it on the right. I also use an Evoluent vertical mouse (which Kinesis has in their online store) and ended up getting a USB 3.0 A/B switch & 4 port hub to use them with both my personal and work machines

[@panchikofan123]

This + Dvorak = Lightspeed Writer

[@johnhooyer3101]

Exactly what I was thinking. Something I would strongly consider.

[@NordboDK]

Wife has recorded 128 wpm with this one's predecessor and dvorak

[@Milamberinx]

I use an Ergodox (like this but without the finger well design) with qwerty, I don't know that I could take the performance hit to learn Dvorak.

[@zippypop34]

Dennis sitting on the tripod was Lit

[@teentitan2514]

Did you just assumed no. of hands I have? I identify myself as an octopus... stop this unrealistic hand standards. my community needs more representation in technology.

[@sttthr]

Number of hands is a social construct.

[@lemonbirdo1353]

Tadeusz Kantor was math a discovery or an invention?

[@teentitan2514]

Delicious Kawaiigami idk. discovery maybe. see discovery is something which was originally there...we just didn't knew about it until someone was like " see this is how it happens". while an Invention is creating something new. in case of maths....for example something as simple as the pythogurous theorem. ... it was always true but no one knew about it until pythogurous figured it out.

[@Pyrolixz]

Math is an invention, not discovery.

[@teentitan2514]

UID Ninja justify your answer....like I did😬😬😬

[@scottwillis5434]

I've used one for years, love it! Seems pricey, but compare that to constant pain, or having carpal tunnel surgery + however many weeks off work for recovery. One person I showed my setup to told me a friend of his had died under anesthesia for carpal tunnel surgery. Plus: - Velcro a USB thumb-pad (as used in laptops) to avoid having to move my hand to /from a mouse - Mousemitt dot com sells padded half-gloves (sizes run a bit small and I have big hands; had to slit an XL) to add cushioning This way I didn't have to have carpal tunnel surgery (plus getting allergens out of my diet; started reacting to wheat and dairy). Only problem is I have wide shoulders and this isn't angled, so my wrists are angled sideways. Considering how to cut it in half and spread it out.

[@davidrose8336]

"There is absolutely no deck flex..." keyboard corners clearly bending in opposite directions as he says those words... Reminds me of an old Toyota Tundra commercial where they had the pickup running over rough terrain... in slow motion... showing in excruciating detail the whole length of the truck twisting and bending in uncomfortable ways.

[@goffe2282]

I have been waiting for you to do this keyboard. I have been using it for years and I absolutely love it! I can use my thumbs for other things than pressing the space bar. What's not to love? No.... time to watch the video.

[@bennylofgren3208]

Jesper Bengtson So have I. I have an older version, white, that I have had for probably 15+ years by now, complete with foot pedals. It looks worn, but still works. Same keyboard! It looks a bit plasticky, but it is nevertheless built like a tank.

[@goffe2282]

I actually had the white one as well, but it broke on me after many years of use. I now have two black, one for work, and one for home.

[@bennylofgren3208]

Jesper Bengtson Yeah, mine does look a bit worse for wear... it isn't the easiest keyboard to keep clean either. And I *don't* want to know what grows in those palm rest pads... :-) But it still does stellar service. I should get myself a replacement or two though. Are your black ones built the same way as the old one? That is, do they feel as solid as the white one?

[@goffe2282]

Keeping in mind that it was five years since the old one broke, as far as I can remember the black one felt a lot better. I'm sure it's as dirty as the white one but at least it's harder to tell visually. It still makes the annoying clicky sounds that you have to manually shut off. I have no idea who ever thought that would be a good idea to have on a keyboard.

[@themattenthehat]

This might be a dumb question, but what are the foot pedals actually for? Do they work as ctrl and alt keys or something?

[@retrofury6365]

"Let's finger it out"-Linus 2017

[@jkthe9079]

please dun like this comment, leave it as 69 please....

[@tommasogouery6049]

Retro Fury I had I feeling that was gonna be the first comment I see

[@you02]

Retro Fury 👉

[@griot1722]

+Retro Fury good quote

[@irllcd13]

Retro Fury I'll do the fingering.

[@brodycarty3597]

this makes me feel like i hands have been in extremely uncomfortable positions for so long but ive never noticed

[@miaouew]

I've only ever used weird ergonomic keyboards including this one for a bit + mice with tons of programmable buttons (including when I did my rank 14 and season 1 and 2 Gladiator pushes on WoW) so using a normal keyboard is weird for me. The ergo keyboards don't do well for quick game "communicative" typing, but you'd be surprised at how much your response time increases when your hands are comfortably attuned to and master of a good ergo board. It lets the keyboard feel more like an extension of your body. I wouldn't recommend them for every game and certainly not every person, but I love them. Oh and mice that let me use all of my fingers for macros.

[@michelecaronti]

Now I want a piano like that.

[@adamthedog1]

Just buy one of these and use a keyboard program. ;)

[@michelecaronti]

adamthedog ​ No man i mean a real piano like this keyboard lol

[@aritrosaha1616]

Michele Caronti lol

[@jfgik608]

You'd probably become a billionaire if you could invent one.

[@GianFrancoRodriguez0]

Would MIDI do the trick for you? I believe it shouldn't be that complicated to do something like that. An acoustic piano with this congif sounds like an impossible feat, though.

[@TuesdayPorridge]

Never say " let's finger out" again

[@faijur5162]

I think it's quite a revolution in typing. who knows that in the nearest future we could have two different keyboards for typing and gaming. But it should be upgraded more than one time and more here and there. the keys should be defined, key placement should rethink, and more and more. It is clear that by the time being the price will drop and then it will not be that bad for typers.

[@terrythompson7535]

I switched to the Kinesis with the "Halmak" layout and I am happy as all hell with it.

[@pranav9068]

What did the keyboard say to the man? Finger me

[@RetroPlus]

Pranav I'm one year late, but shame on you.

[@HELPMEREACHSUBSCRIBERS-uh2np]

Retro Plus w t f

[@zendo9743]

Stop please.

[@Sol-cf9ko]

@@RetroPlus lmfao

[@questionmarkquestionmarkques]

bruh

[@wifebeater69]

I buy it for 50 dollars

[@emilhinchliff]

When the second keyboard is shown showing the shoulder placement the other keyboard has just been shoved under the desk.

[@NootchMurphy]

YT suggestion from Lex Fridman on his preferred keyboard. Frist LTT video I have seen pre 2019. Much appreciate the deeper voice bearded Linus. Still love the vibe and hype of the video.

[@Ihavetoreturnsomevideotapes]

Same

[@Ihavetoreturnsomevideotapes]

The python guy interview right

[@marcusgarcia2328]

this is such a weird looking keyboard. *as I say typing on the exact model keyboard*

[@somnia3423]

Brotation cx lol unfunmy

[@mentalpopcorn2304]

@@somnia3423 I always wonder if the idiots that comment "unfunny" think they're funny

[@somnia3423]

@@mentalpopcorn2304 well i only can speak for me and i dont think i was funny, and it wasnt my atempt to be funny

[@craigmjackson]

I had exactly that thought. Hard to argue when people say how damned weird it looks. It is really freaking weird looking. I love this thing.

[@DanielRichards644]

Scrapyard Wars Next WEEKEND on KZbin

[@mattthetechguy5057]

Really?

[@DanielRichards644]

thats what they said on WAN Show last night, coming to Floatplane Club this weekend and KZbin one week later, so next weekend.

[@JEST3R_]

DanielRichards644 you the real MVP

[@MichaelTrittipo]

I got mine in 2003. I was beginning to have extreme, daily problems with my hands cramping up at a regular keyboard, making it impossible to continue typing, for long periods. That was bad, since I earned my keep handling a 50-user setwork's sysadmin, help desk, Exchange Server, & SQL DBA roles, while also running some discussion fora for my employer's 15,000 members. The Kinesis was a life-saver. It took a couple of days to get used to, but there was no cramping any longer! I could still do my job! I have heard similar stories from translators I know (who get paid by the word, so they type all day) -- if it weren't for the Kinesis, they'd be on disability, unable to do their work. Mine is still going strong, and when I retire later this year, I'll treat myself to an updated Kinesis.

[@jasonparraga3391]

As a programmer I started to develop RSI in my right wrist. My manager (who still uses his original Kinesis Advantage 1 from 25 years ago) recommended this keyboard to me. I can say with confidence that It saved my career. Now if I spend a couple hours typing on a regular keyboard or a MacBook Pro I'll start to develop pain again but with the Kinesis Advantage 2 I can type all day long. When your salary depends on it spending $350 on a keyboard is nothing. I've already bought another one to keep at home.

[@herropreaseherro7870]

Jason Parraga r u serious?

[@SnapshotOfASoul]

I have fibromyalgia and this looks like it would really help me, as most of my pain is in my arms.

[@Kook4Life]

Aye so do I. (This is my brothers account btw)

[@dankgames5221]

"Finger that out." "Might be your....type." Get out, Linus.

[@keldwikchaldain9545]

Definitely late on this one, but I have to say for someone who doesn't use the arrows, home, end, etc. (i.e. an emacs user like myself) this sounds like a dream.

[@raidtheferry]

You know Andy was _so_ excited to shoot that intro b-roll

[@blueskyatfero]

Dvorak typing alievated all typing problems for me.

[@ThatOnionispog]

Stephen Austin glad to hear! If I had it I might fix my rsi in my fingers. But I can’t find one

[@thehammurabichode7994]

Warning: Dvorak typing is the best. And, if you use it, you will ruin your life.

[@ThatOnionispog]

@@thehammurabichode7994 okay??

[@MachoMaster]

"Mandatory comment about Colemak."

[@djddm8760]

Dvorak sucks. It doesn't fix the problems a C++ programmer faces cause the right pinky still does way to much work.

[@Titan12]

"Beauty CAN be more than skin deep!" switch to berkel lol

[@sarahyoung363]

I bought one of these last year after I started experiencing severe wrist pain with tingling, numbness, etc. The numbness and tingling was eliminated within a few weeks. I still have issues with pain sometimes, but part of that is due to my job and my mouse (working on that). My typing speed is about the same as it was before. Took about 2 weeks to master.

[@jeffwalker7185]

Didn't Microsoft try something similar years ago with a left/right split keyboard? I also noticed that the F and J home keys don't seem to have a dimple on them. As a touch typist, that is the thing my index fingers feel for when trying to position my fingers over the home keys.

[@bubbafrie9001]

Wait wait wait the case at 1:00 THATS THE CASE WALMART USES LOL

[@blu_wraith6693]

not quite, this one looks like it could actually breathe a little ;)

[@molife1664]

Linus, congrats for hitting 4,000,000

[@ibapreppie]

Pro-tip: Ctrl + arrow keys moves to the start / end of a word. Holding shift when using the arrow keys highlights. If you get that into muscle memory, you can manipulate words significantly faster. These Kinesis keyboards were meant for programming code faster and more efficiently.

[@kaitlyn__L]

I do that on regular keyboards! Alt and arrows for the start and end of the line too. I only ever use actual home end and page keys when I’m reading an article, not typing.