the most consistent cloth mousepad in existence is making me quit glass. (Artisan Key83 Review)

[@pinguefied]

there will be more content fairly soon :> i have another video that's essentially done about my least favorite mousepad that's come out recently (or ever), and i'd really like to talk about the htx mini soon. thank u for watching!! and again, if you are looking for the speed of a glasspad from a cloth pad, this is probably not the pad for you. it's fast, but you'd probably want to look into things like the shidenkai, raiden, fnatic jet, egg mpc, vancer ace, etc.

[@pingu4755]

htx mini, yaaaay :)

[@handicapschoner2654]

If its the hien im sending a handwritten veto-letter >:(

[@sp00der23]

meow :3

[@Senroux]

yippie

[@twpsyn]

a cloth pad would have to be exceedingly good to get me to switch from glass. mainly due to the non gameplay related aspects of living with glass, like the fact that the pad doesn't wear down over time, doesn't lose speed with cleaning and maintenance is so much much easier to the point that I can fully clean the pad to get that "like new" feeling literally 5 minutes before a scrim, etc. edit: also with glass speed doesn't vary with humidity

[@pinguefied]

quite fair, i imagine humidity must be pretty annoying where you live too. while i agree that glass pads are objectively better in terms of durability, i think cloth slowing down is a bit of an overblown issue. if you main glass you'll experience slowdown in the form of skate wear too, but you don't really notice bc it's so gradual. it's cheaper to replace skates, but it still does mandate replacing them fairly often if you want that "like-new" speed again. while day to day variations are more common with cloth, you will adapt to them subconsciously. unless you live a really humid environment, i don't think the "glass will be the same experience every single time you play" has that much practical benefit.

[@twpsyn]

@@pinguefied yeah it definitely made me more picky when it came to buying my first pad here when I got back into gaming during covid, I knew I'd have a miserable time if I just went and bought another steelseries qck heavy lol. in the end I went with a zowie gtfx which I honestly loved and I wish more people knew about it and sung it's praises, was a really nice middleground between cloth/hardpads where the mouse didn't dig into the surface much with a lot of pressure. eventually it developed slow spots with frequent use and multiple cleans after ~3 years though

[@twpsyn]

@@pinguefied to be fair I've never used a cloth pad with a sleeve, might just be the case that day to day variations on cloth are less noticeable with a decent sleeve mitigating that also wrt skate wear slowing down over time on glass, since that happens on the mouse itself imo it's much more manageable since there are no slow spots on more heavily used portions of the pad. with cloth pads that gets particularly annoying for me since I very rarely change my peripherals unless they wear out to the point of becoming a major annoyance. since ~2011 I've only bought 4 pads total going from a goliathus speed to a qck heavy to the zowie gtfx and then to the skypad 3 (and the only reason I changed from the qck was due to moving to malta and not bringing my PC stuff lol)

[@wolfyakuza]

stop fueling my peripheral problem pingu

[@pinguefied]

:3c

[@wavy.pueblo]

the quality in this video feels like a main channel video :00 also the shock at 7:30 is so real LOOL

[@I.want.toji.in.me.oml.ughhhhh]

There’s a main channel? What’s the main channel called, I can’t find it

[@BalvarineFPS]

this will sound like i'm making it up. i predicted with a friend years ago that a hexagonal shape would solve the consistent friction problem after I saw that famous hexagons are the bestagons video.

[@pinguefied]

U might be a soothsayer

[@BalvarineFPS]

@@pinguefied "I knew you'd say that." -me, as I walk away from the explosion while putting on my sunglasses.

[@Ethereal6541]

These reviews are some of my favorite youtube videos ngl

[@pinguefied]

tysm ❤️

[@DumDM1192]

ai pfp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@m9vanilla]

@@pinguefied nah seriously you need to understand how relaxing your videos are, scripts are amazing keep it up and dont burn out

[@pinguefied]

@@m9vanilla i really appreciate that c:

[@aaaaaaa7887]

@@DumDM1192^^

[@camm_155]

your voice is super soft and soothing! love the video, keep it up

[@Santyx]

this channel is a blessing bro so relaxing and no sugarcoating shit just credit where its due and critiques when it aint

[@64Talon]

It's interesting to hear your takes about the differences. I've also tried a handful of mouse pads over the years including about 3 different artisan pads and I still highly prefer my glass pad. Now I haven't tried this one specifically but the idea and technology is neat, but I know it will still have a lot of the same issues as other cloth pads mainly with long term use wear & tear. I feel like the combination of mouse, skates, and pad I've settled on has been fine tuned over the years. My main gripe with anything cloth is just the inconsistency. The less variables I have in my "aim experiment" the easier it is to find and fix perceived issues. At the end of the day it just comes down to preference and what your goals are. Some FPS player had a bio similar to this on Discord and it lives in my head rent free "Never stop changing your settings gamers. We are all just one placebo away from generational greatness"

[@pinguefied]

fair enough, if you're dead set on glass then then ofc this isn't for you haha i agree with the consistency argument in principle, but glass will have issues with skate wear changing the friction of the pad over time too, and like cloth, it's so gradual that it really makes no difference. ofc it's cheaper to replace skates than a whole pad, but the timeline is also much longer. i don't think it's as big of an issue as most ppl depict it as

[@64Talon]

@@pinguefied oh yeah it's not a huge deal either way haha I really believe it just comes down to preference at the end of the day. I don't think there's a "right" or "wrong" pad unless you're using a stuffed animal ;) But yeah I have about 10 sets of skates for my mouse just sitting on my shelf and when I start to notice the glide starting to go I'll just replace them. Takes maybe 3 minutes and they're less than $3 per pair of skates.

[@defiantzzz]

currrently running an xsoft k83 with artisan dots setup with 2 dots touching on the top 2 corners + 2 dots bottom corners about a dot size apart and this is easily the most unique experience I have gotten from any artisan product / any aim related peripheral ever. The plushness of the xsoft barely slows down speed if at all with this combo and it is a very very odd experience 10/10 recommend trying this out if you want something unique! W Video tho🤝

[@kil1337]

got the same issue with turning back to cloth. I really like the quietness of it. but when it comes to aiming, all the pads just feel muddy, even my Raiden XSOFT. Although I use the Kazemi which isn't the fastest glass pad out there. And the point that glass will never wear down, is another aspect. I paid a lot of money for it, but it will never get worse if I don't treat it too harsh... but still hard to resist buying a MID Artisan Pad and/or the Vaxee PD.... damn...

[@strafeqt]

Goat stuff, love the nails! I have these reviews downloaded lmao for watching while travelling

[@pinguefied]

aw that's sweet ty c:

[@RamlilacOCE]

Your video editing style is so beautiful to watch I love your cinematic scripting and soundtrack choice 😭I feel like im watching an actual movie. My Key83 is shipping out soon, this has me so much more excited !!

[@Bryann.0]

Good videos, good formatting, good aim, anything and everything. Keep up what you’re doing. Def gonna be up there with the likes of viscose when it comes to aiming and review videos. I fw ya style mane👍

[@pinguefied]

@@Bryann.0 thank u haha, we both have had a lot of influence on each other's style

[@Keeahh]

loved the video! and the pad sounds so tempting :>

[@E1M4_]

Actual great opinions! You pointed out most of issue I've gone through.

[@jR0xas]

Tbh as someone who switches between different glass and cloth pads I could say the same for my Hien or any of the pads I own, Hien is just my favourite from Artisan specifically. Never liked the Otsu so I kinda don't even wanna spend money on this one since people have been saying it's like a slightly slower Otsu. Don't feel like my performance is hindered by any surface unless you force me to use some cheap mousepad that gets dead spots in less than 4 weeks.

[@pinguefied]

i don't think it's that similar to the otsu in terms of friction balance, but i'm glad you're happy with what u got :D

[@jR0xas]

@pinguefied Yeah like it's not exactly an Otsu I know people say it's like in between Zero and Otsu. It's essentially another balanced Artisan pad but I know I don't really want something slower than the Hien anyway and I like the X/Y speed difference. I'm one of those people who likes to try all Artisans but Imma just hold off for now until I get bored.

[@versinick69]

didnt not expect to hear the echo ost when i started watching this

[@Styx-Lo]

Interesting I see why you didnt want to go back to testing the Project Articia. Keep us updated

[@ZebSound]

Is this my way out of my mousepad psychosis?

[@iMakeMagicHappenn]

Was it viscose who slid the pad under the door!?😭😭

[@pinguefied]

yep

[@iMakeMagicHappenn]

@@pinguefied hahaha

[@ToThinkorNot]

not the first, aqua control 2 has more equal friction between the two. the key 83's y axis is smoother and faster than x

[@ViscoseOCE]

i have both and while the ac2 def has low variance between the two, it isnt better in that regard than the key83 imo its not bad at all in that aspect but it doesnt fill the same niche at all as the key83 and i dont think of it as an alternative

[@ToThinkorNot]

@@ViscoseOCE please explain more, do you mean not better in that regard than the ac2 as in key 83 has a lower x-y variance?

[@ViscoseOCE]

yea, i think the key83 is more consistent across x and y. there is still a difference but not a massive one

[@fableboy10]

thank you for making me purchase yet another hard cloth pad 😂 super stoked for this!

[@vAmmonite]

between zero mid and key83 mid which feels more rough through the skates like feedback

[@pinguefied]

it's pretty close, i don't have the zero mid atm to give you a definitive answer, but it's def comparable

[@Authouy]

Really interesting to see you switching back to cloth. Though I do wonder if the trade off of life span is worth it to be able to push your flick speed. I know you mentioned somewhere else that you believe that the slow down of cloth mousepads is overblown however personally my Artisan Hien XSoft developed a mud spot so bad that it made micro adjustments feel impossible. I’m not sure if my experience is a one off case or because I bought an XSoft but yeah, if you do continue to use this mousepad consistently please post an update on the pads condition. Thank you for another interesting review

[@FRAIMWORKK]

I was not expecting that playing on a seal plush toy clip AHAHAH

[@pinguefied]

HAHA if i wasn't annoying viscose by laughing hysterically every time i got a kill with the seal, i would've kept grinding until i got an actually good seal clip

[@FRAIMWORKK]

@@pinguefied That is actually hilarious, I would not be able to contain my laughter XD

[@xJay_030]

Great Review! I believe there is no perfect pad but looks like this one is close to yours. which game are you playing at 7:20 ?

[@pinguefied]

battlefield v

[@Lambo-ux3uh]

just a classic banger from pingu. and im not surprised it would be artisan that can make a cloth so good you want to use it over glass

[@crayon7646]

I don't understand how everyone says the Key83 is so good for its directional consistency. I got my Key83 soft and the x-y difference is so noticeable I was extremely disappointed after seeing every other review saying that it's the most directionally consistent cloth pad. Not sure if it's just my copy or the pad's just like this but either way it's just not it

[@pinguefied]

maybe it's because you're accustomed to slower y movements and this one is slightly faster y than x, so it feels more substantial? or it could be your copy, idk

[@crayon7646]

@@pinguefied I just tested a few of my favourite mousepads to compare it with the Key83, the zero soft and venus pro. I tested them by using them normally vs using them 90 degrees flipped. Zero soft had slightly slower X than Y and venus pro had slightly faster X than Y, but in normal use, I don't notice the X-Y difference at all probably because of how the differences aren't as huge. Swapping between the two I also didn't have any problems despite the X-Y speeds being opposite to each other. I came to a conclusion that small X-Y differences in pads aren't as noticeable to me regardless of whether X is faster than Y or vice versa, but the fact that the Key83's X-Y difference is noticeable to me just.. disregards the whole purpose for me to buy this mousepad. This is my experience on the Key83 soft and I am aware that it's not supposed to have 0% X-Y difference and others' experiences could be different, but I just wanted to share my experiences + I had nowhere to vent my disappointment on this pad after hearing so much good things about it. Sorry about that

[@pinguefied]

@@crayon7646 i appreciate you sharing your findings :> that's rly disappointing yeah, i wonder why i'm not feeling the same,,

[@TheRodoeht]

For me sleeve compatibility has become one of the most important aspects of a cloth pad. That's why I got the puretrak P-51. Its pretty good with my lizard skin sleeve but still not perfect. Interesting video for my use case

[@ruumelan]

key-83 with black or white EADALI arm sleeve is the best mousepad + arm sleeve combo I've tried. KIBU arm sleeve are also good according to uNlseashedjp, but KIBU do not have international shipping

[@yougotpwnd123]

I'm surprised you don't like the Raiden mid more. As someone who's mained glass for years, I find myself switching between glass and the Raiden pretty easy,. I haven't had to many issues with sleeves working on it as well.

[@pinguefied]

maybe I'll try it again, i didn't have much luck with my sleeves and it ended up in an awkward speed range for me (i destroyed it with lexips tho, i don't remember what it was like before that). i generally prefer the shidenkai either way

[@yougotpwnd123]

@@pinguefied The most noticeable difference for me going from glass to the Raiden was my micros. The speed is still really good for target switching and I feel it allows you to stop much easier, I was having trouble with shakey landing and it helped. I've never tried the shidenkai but I've always wanted to!

[@eg8568]

3:18 - how the hell did you do that with the poron non-slip base? That's actually impressive.

[@pinguefied]

the mid ones aren't _that_ sticky haha

[@oliverdavidacaster5258]

After using the hayate otsu for a year then trying a skypad 4.0 for 2 weeks I realised I liked faster speed but the 4.0 was too fast and I couldn’t stop, been using the raiden soft for 3 weeks and fell in love perfect balance between fast and stopping for me!

[@DawnSentinel]

Jesus christ, the bit where you were talking about water on the base of the pad, then you snort and Viscose wheezes in the background got me so good.

[@pinguefied]

hahaha

[@Nezdomm]

how does key83 mid compare to your experience on the zero mid in terms of speed and feel? also love these style of vids, amazing vibes and love listening to them, cheers!

[@pinguefied]

sorta similar! both very balanced but the zero is definitely slower. it's been quite a while since I've had access to my zero mid so i can't give you too much more detail than that haha

[@Nezdomm]

@ that’s still great haha, thanks for the reply!

[@blackorca32]

thanks for making this review, was gonna buy one soon and this really helped

[@pnjnoodz8692]

Noooooo i just did the full swap to glass and i am in too deep. Dont pull me back to cloth now! Love your videos man keep them coming

[@pinguefied]

haha i only became disillusioned with them after 4 years and holding myself to a ridiculous standard for aim (spending too much time watching viscose's gameplay)

[@MissColourz]

A good watch outside Aucklands closed airport.

[@pinguefied]

i didn't believe u when you said you were cursed in regards to flying, that's crazy

[@neprophilia]

might be the first time i actually decide to pull the trigger on an artisan. bought a sp-004 a while back and iv loved it but again there are things iv missed from other cloth pads. great vid :3

[@pinguefied]

thank u!!

[@neprophilia]

@@pinguefied ofc always! always love the gunfire clips mixed in as well

[@zambz5328]

have you tried vaxee's "pc" pad? it also has a texture i'd describe as hexagonal, as well as a really interesting folded edge instead of regular stitching

[@pinguefied]

waow didn't expect to see you here i haven't tried it, but from photos it doesn't look like it has a hexagonal weave like this one. it's interesting that that's how it feels though,, how do u like the folded edge?

[@zambz5328]

@@pinguefied i've been a fan since ur tf2 video :-D i dont use the pc as after trying it for a couple weeks i realized i only really play my best on slower surfaces like the saturn, hexagonal might not really be the correct term for the pc i guess, but to me it felt very consistent on x/y and has sort of a repeating pattern that u see if u look at it from further away

[@zambz5328]

@@pinguefied also forgor to type lol the folded edge is really good, i prefer it to even artisan stitching

[@pinguefied]

@@zambz5328 that's rly cool!! i wonder if u would be a demon with the type 99, i had to crank my sens up to use it but my initial flicks still felt crazy also i'd love to know how you ended up aiming like you do, did a player inspire you or was it something that came naturally to you? and have you made active efforts to change your style over time? :o

[@zambz5328]

@@pinguefied i was watching elacour vids before i started playing, so probably some osmosis through that i used to fully fingertip up until like late 2023, switched to claw as fingertipping fucked my wrist up, also slowly lowered my sens from about 10cm/360 when i started to never changing off 29cm/360 now, other than that not really cared about style of aim beyond trying to hit more shots

[@cenuuu]

is there an easy way to get artisan dots or do I need to order from jp?

[@pinguefied]

not out yet :(

[@TheDC-ks3tw]

So I have decided to go to glass for a whole other reason. My main mouse pad is hien but my problem with it is every time I wash it the consistency isn't the same as a new one no matter how good I wash it and you can feel it near the edge of the mousepad.

[@zeththedarkmage]

Oh no. Your 2 year review of the HSK Pro finally got me to order one(got the BlueWave, pictures don't do it justice, it has glitter in it!). Now I'm considering a new mouse pad. :D

[@pinguefied]

@@zeththedarkmage it's got glitter?? i might have to tap in. you probably should get used to such a strange device before making any other changes to your setup LOL but that said i've kinda been cooking with that combo,,

[@brite7065]

I have the exact same issue with my arm on cloth, I got two artisan pads because someone told me they are super not sticky, and just switched back to glass like 2 weeks later. I just wnd up playing like 20cm in game so I can just my wrist, glass is just right for me

[@Bee-lk3du]

can you drop the tf2 crosshair you're using at 0:27? its amazing

[@versinick69]

that crosshair is available on master comfig

[@kennyXSI]

i havent found another aimer I relate to with these thoughts on glass vs cloth until this video. Glass solved a lot of my same problems, but this pad looks really impressive as someone who sticks constantly. My only concern is still as it is cloth is humidity, im someone who sweats unfortunately :/

[@pinguefied]

it's alright with sweat bc of the sleeve, but yeah it's still affected by humidity like any other cloth pad

[@xblur17]

It's cool that you found a cloth pad you can enjoy again, and really great video! However, I am concerned with longevity. Pads always feel great in the first 2-6 weeks, and then slowly degrade from there. If you're still on this thing 2-3 months from now, and still find it just as consistent, it will be a miracle for cloth. That's why glass is kind of still king imo. Unless you are ok with buying 4 key 83's every year, I doubt it will ever reach the level of consistency of glass.

[@pinguefied]

i don't think cloth wear is _that_ extreme on average, but yeah the infinite durability and surface consistency is something glass is objectively the best at we'll see in a couple months i suppose haha

[@carlangasa4622]

this is why I'm debating on keeping my glasses pad honestly I think I might even just keep it for daily use and aesthetics and pull out my artisan zero when I play fps

[@xRealUzz]

It doesnt change anything not only mousepad can get cleaned but if you play on a glass pad youre gonna buy new skates every month so 12 skates a year yeah good luck with that and not gonna lie im top 10 in some aimlabs official exercise and i did just as well on my 4 years of use razer gigantus than i do on my brand new artisan zero mid. And im not beaming more than i used to in apex since a one clip is a one clip so i dont know where all that cloth pad wears out so much cuz i kept a pad for 4 years and didnt impact anything i cleaned it every 3 months tho. I also have lamzu maya x and at the end of the day it aint changing much from my superlight or thorn all this stuff is really REALLY superficial. Only thing that really matters is monitor and pc

[@Jumoana]

Just clean your pads, ive owned artisan for years with little no wear at all. keep it clean.

[@simon7557]

I’m looking into maybe trying out a glasspad for the consistency benefits, but I’m interested to know why u switched off glass Wat were the cloth benefits u wanted?🤔 was it solely for target switching

[@pinguefied]

i wouldn't let my experience stop you from trying it! only after 3 years of rly enjoying it did i start to get cold feet, and it helped a lot in my mouse control journey. but yeah it's mainly bc you lose a bit of well roundedness when you lose friction as a tool for tension management and i wanted to see if i could fix that

[@turnerrosser5191]

Killer vid. Been on this glass back to cloth path aswell. Just got hen mid and was like woah. I’ve been on the PMM S1P but that’s a soft base pad but it’s insane

[@MrPepper0ni]

just picked up a hayate otsu xsoft recently wonder how this and other new artisan pads would compare its super fast until its not after you reach a certain point of speed you begin to immediately feel that "textured" feeling this also happens if you press into the pad harder at less speed depending on how much you press into it what id be most curious in seeing is how it would feel to have that specific weave or say an otsu or zero etc with this added weave if it has all net positives that is its possible some people may not appreciate having that extra dexterity in diagonal movements but to me it sounds really fun to use if the otsu had the capability to move that way it would be very interesting although i like the way it is ive been using a faster sens since i got the pad for multiple reasons but it still is more controlled than my old muddy amazon pad while remaining lightning fast its super easy to stop even when playing on ludicrous sensitivities but i can imagine this pad being playable on ultra low sensitivities as well so its really balanced in both directions and could probably be used by just about anyone although i have no experience with other artisian mousepads this feels like it falls under a category of its fast while being controllable enough for 99% of people so long as they use the proper mouse combination that works for them like if you cant handle a really fast surface than a ultra lightweight 30gram fingertip mouse combo with this on a fast sensitivity might be difficult to control although i am running a lamzu maya fnatic edition (smol not the x variant also webbased is annoying lemme know if i made the right choice lol i tried to pick the one that would fit me better but there wasnt that much info on the real differences aside from the actual size anyways) so 45grams + really fast sensitivity + hayate otsu even an Xsoft otsu is probably faster than a mid zero but i have not a clue on that so decent little speed combo still controllable great pad would rec probably any artisan products 👍

[@pinguefied]

my brother in christ you need some punctuation in your writing LOL sounds like u made the right choice though, seems like a nice combo

[@MrPepper0ni]

@@pinguefied i usually write comments on my phone and the autocorrect is broken so sorry if i try to use punctuation it autocorrects to no punctuation making me rewrite things twice for it to stay for each individual word that needs punctuation lol

[@jilesbraeden]

BRO YOU CANNOT KEEP DOING THIS. my bank account cannot keep up with this 😭😭😭😭

[@merked1530]

Picked up the beast Best pad so far.

[@pinguefied]

let's go,,,

[@nsn333]

is that a palette? you should review balisongs too.

[@pinguefied]

i have a fully scripted and voiced review for the palette done but i've been way too lazy to get background/applicable footage for it 😭 also sucks to be in australia and not have my other balis to use as reference footage, like when i mention the squiddy

[@nsn333]

looking forward to it

[@daemonkisure2952]

What sens do u use? Great video btw

[@pinguefied]

ty! usually 25-40cm these days

[@fastestglitch]

dude i just got a glass mousepad (FOR CHRISMASS!!!!) and it feels so nice its a sky pad and it seems so much better then my last mouse pad but i think that one was also just cheap and not great anyways but still i love my new glass pad so far but lets see

[@pinguefied]

that's awesome!! happy for u!

[@johnnybravo69420]

I had the contrary effect. Switched from a Skypad 2.0 to an Artisan Raiden XXL and I downright regret it (although the size is pretty nice). I’ll probably wait for a speed glass pad that doesn’t have some cringe anime girl that comes in 500x500 before switching back.

[@pinguefied]

well this isn't the Raiden haha

[@jakf101]

I have most of the common artisan pads, zero, otsu, hien and raiden all soft. Most time with the hien but I really like the raiden. I never tried a mid pad but I like the sound of a bit slower raiden. I tried the lamzu energon before the raiden which made me like faster pads more than control. I have no issues with using the raiden but since I seen the key83 it got me considering it but can’t decide if I should go try a mid pad or stick with soft. I also fingertip, use tiger ice skates with op1 8k around 1600 dpi 32-38cm. I play fps mainly tarkov so I find the faster pad suits that game for flicking to targets. Is it really worth giving the key-83 a go if I have all these pads already? If I go soft I am looking at otsu/hien speed or mid closer to raiden but with either a bit more control than I would get with the raiden? I don’t think I press down into the pad much but the part where you say tensing up can cause it could be where I would benefit from mid as maybe I do that from time to time without realising it.

[@quentonthompson1735]

About to start my glass venture this week, vid was amazing🔥🔥🔥

[@jayd2535]

This mother fer has a soothing voice. Great review

[@BilbroBagginzz]

Hexagons are OP confirmed

[@countercorps]

The white nails with the white glass pad and the white HSK Pro? Go off Queen

[@JakeG97]

Another banger vid! Thanks for posting these. I just got my hsk pro and will be playing on the Key83 mid. Should I get new skates like the jade dots you were talking about or keep the g wolves default skates on?

[@LucyScarlet-m5l]

have the key83 soft and only thing i dislike about it is that i have no sleeve that works with it :c

[@pinguefied]

shein sleeve fixes u .

[@LucyScarlet-m5l]

@pinguefied but i dont want support shein :c

[@pinguefied]

@@LucyScarlet-m5l fair ;c well i'm sure some other compression sleeves would work too!!

[@LucyScarlet-m5l]

@@pinguefied do you know if pulsar works?

[@pinguefied]

@@LucyScarlet-m5l i don't sry :(

[@Authouy]

3:18 LMAO, did you get Viscose to slide an artisan mousepad under your door? Also how did you get it to slide like that wth

[@pinguefied]

yeah i did LOL

[@dragonfruit3855]

is that the echo ost i hear????? love the video ❤❤

[@aqwek]

and I'm waiting for my glass pad to arrive D:

[@pinguefied]

dw i still love glass pads, i had to get some bg footage with the skypad 4 the other day and it was rly fun. but i also love the idea of a middle ground and i've been wanting to get better at some cloth specific techniques to see if i can be a bit more well rounded ^^

[@aqwek]

@@pinguefied I've wanted to try out a glass pad for the longest time, but me being broke I've had to ask for it for Christmas. I have only used one other pad. It's years old, and I'm sure it's terrible quality. I'm hoping that a glass pad will help me with my aim, and also with my overall aim experience. Thanks for your videos, it was you and Viscose who got me into aim training, and I am so thankful that I did.

[@M3LUZ]

@@aqwekglass pads are great m8

[@acornskie9930]

Sorry for asking all these questions but what glass and fingertip should I get. I love your content

[@pinguefied]

what are you looking for out of a glass pad/ftip mouse?

[@acornskie9930]

I don’t mind I’m currently using a shidenkai v2 but speed or control I don’t mind finger tip mice g wolves is all I jnow

[@pinguefied]

@@acornskie9930 if you like the shidenkai, i think it offers many of the benefits of glass and escapes a few of the downsides :o given that you've tried some enthusiast pads you should tell me your preferences if you're in the market for a glasspad. and for ftip mice, the hsk pro is still my favorite bc it's the only one (aside from the keychron m4) that's small enough to be very finger driven. are you looking for that kind of pen-like experience or would you prefer a more normally proportioned mouse that gives you room for ftip mobility?

[@acornskie9930]

@@pinguefiedI think I’m really looking into Glsswrks and the Beast maybe the Wallhack. But coming down to fingertip mice maybe pen like, if that’s what the Hsk pro is I’m in Australia so I don’t know if that limits things aswell. I also wonder if you still play bf4 and if there are still servers I know you play NA but surely there’s a server in between that has good ping

[@acornskie9930]

If you’re also wondering I’m using a viper mini as my fingertip mouse

[@Plutoized]

pINGU POSTED >.

[@ramoraid]

I really like the esptiger blaze v3 and i wonder if artisan made something similar or better to it with this new pad.

[@pinguefied]

what's it like?

[@ramoraid]

@pinguefied a cordura pad with a glaze or resin on, so a fast pad with 80-90% the speed of a glass pad. It has a some foam to it so you can push down if you like. I can easily glide my arm using a sleeve and since I been using dot skates and glass skates on it I get a similar feel to when I use my glass pad.

[@pinguefied]

@@ramoraid that's interesting :o thank u for sharing!!

[@Swans99]

You might actually make me buy the key83 because of this video

[@user-tt8ln8fm8s]

best 2 sleeve compatible pads are key83 otsu, would love to see other pad sleeve combos

[@GabrielleHavrilyak]

what was your favorite combination of glides with Key83 Mid?

[@pinguefied]

do you mean skates? artisan dots (not out yet) or jades

[@ohxtg]

you sold me on the mouse pad when you said it's directionally consistent

[@pinguefied]

i'm very curious how someone who's only used cloth pads will feel abt it haha

[@HeyNavi]

Will you be trying out the lgg Hyperion? From what I’m reading, it’ll be similar to the zero but will be slightly faster so somewhere along the speed of the key83. As much as I love artisan pads, I do wish they made desk pads since I miss having the space of deskpads after switching to the cerapad kin; and the Hyperion will have a deskpad size which I’ll like if it performs similarly to the key 83. I’ve already tried the Saturn pro deskpad, was too slow for me and before I got the kin, I was on a fx zero soft xl but didn’t like the hair sticking on to the pad. I was very ocd aware about it and didn’t let me fully focus while gaming. A personal issue but I do like to keep my workstation as a clean and minimal as possible.

[@pinguefied]

god yeah i miss desk pads too :( maybe i'll give it a go with that in mind, thank you!! that said, the sleeve compatibility is like 90% of the reason i use the key83, i don't think any other cloth pad can do that

[@HeyNavi]

@ same! For me, not having to worry about mousepad/mouse placement is a necessity and with deskpads, I just plop them down and they cover my entire desk. Even with my kin osmium, I HAVE to have it in the perfect spot. Otherwise it’ll either be too far or too close; too high or too low. I’ll look forward to your review if you ever get your hands on it. For now, I’m holding off until the Hyperion to release. I have my eyes on the key83 soft/mid, Hyperion deskpad soft and maybe the Neptune pro deskpad soft. Amazing reviews as always!

[@soobees.]

Is the soft and mid really that big of a difference in speed ? Mid compared to a soft raiden and soft compared to zero and otsu 😣

[@pinguefied]

it's a pretty huge difference honestly!! more than most artisan pads i'd say

[@therealjbk]

does this clear even the kazemi dont fuel my consumerism

[@pinguefied]

it sounds like u love glass as a whole, ur probably chilling

[@therealjbk]

i love consistency and smoothness

[@DarkuSNIPES]

What do you think about using glass skates with this mouse pad?

[@pinguefied]

i haven't heard of anybody who was able to use glass skates long term; either the pad wore down or the skates did, or both LOL i can't recommend them unless you don't have this experience

[@DarkuSNIPES]

@ thanks for taking the time for replaying bro. I just bought the wallhack 4.0 and I was about to quit it. That is why I was checking other pad options but then I got the obsidian pro air skates and I starter to love the pad… how important is to chose the correct mouse skates for this kind of imput! What are your favorite ones that you can recommend to me?

[@pinguefied]

depends what you're looking for out of your pad! i still don't really like controlled skates on the sp4 , but i haven't tried the obsidian pro airs to know how much they've improved over the normal pros. i think the skates i had the best exp with on that pad are the ultraglide rennsports ii's (absurdly smooth, slightly more controlled than jades but not muddy) and the obsidian airs (slower across the board and doesn't make the pad feel like an air hockey table like the red obsidians)

[@AfterDark62]

4:45 xraypad heavy bee?

[@allred3ds]

thats what i was thinking it was the actual first....

[@spenfps]

even though this video was for a cloth pad the beginning segment made me switch back to glass LOL

[@AusyBoyyy]

4:00 What game is that?

[@pinguefy]

gunfire reborn

[@thedog5k]

This is wild timing for it to come out today. I just bough an azeron and while im waiting for it, im figuring out my mouse situation ( coming from a g604 and MTG mat for fps games LMFAO). I was thinking about going with a type 99, zero, and a glass pad and just seeing what I like. Maybe in a few years Ill change to the direction I prefer. Is this video anti glass sentiment?

[@pinguefied]

no i still love glass! it felt limiting for a few aspects of aim but that only happened after 3 years of maining glass haha i would recommend it if you are interested in the infinite durability, but otherwise the zero soft is a bit safer

[@fleepity]

the nails look really good, does this mean anything or u just a fan of how it looks

[@pinguefied]

i just like it ^_^

[@fleepity]

@@pinguefied :3

[@rowank7663]

Could you expand a bit on the no sleeve thing? I don't like using sleeves and the hien soft was too abrasive for me but the zero mid was fine. Would the key83 mid also be fine then?

[@pinguefied]

yeah it would be! i think i just have sensitive skin and the texture with humidity got a little uncomfortable on the zero

[@Robinss0n]

I wonder how you feel about horizon finalmouses new „hybrid“ cloth pad

[@pinguefied]

bit more positive than most people: if executed well it could be something that would be rly nice to aim with. but yeah the arguments about it being so expensive but still wearing down are pretty valid, and it's an awful, predatory brand would still like to try someday tho

[@Postwargamer53]

totally unrelated, but diabotical is still being played??? might try it again

[@pinguefied]

i don't think it's super active outside of a few pug groups, both of my clips were just inviting friends to play :(

[@Postwargamer53]

@@pinguefied Damn, its over

[@pinguefied]

​@@Postwargamer53 their contract with epic is ending soon so it might come to steam and give it a small second wind (copium)

[@Postwargamer53]

@@pinguefied That would be nice

[@puchigire]

mine just arrived, have you noticed some weirdness related to dot skate positions, that make the pads friction feel more inconsistent? I'm using jades and not artisans, maybe it's the weave and the dot positions. Also you have the pad vertical because it's smoother that way right? feels more hockey table for X axis aligned the way you have it.

[@pinguefied]

inconsistent how? i have it vertical because it makes the sleeves compatible for me, not rly for the pad friction itself

[@puchigire]

the top 2 dots has more friction than the bottom 2 dots, because the bottom 2 are placed further apart on my hsk pro against the weave. It doesn't really change how it moves, it just makes the mouse have more tactile feedback at the top/feels more top heavy vs the sp004

[@pinguefied]

@@puchigire i'm not really following tbh 😭 can you make your bottom and top dots equidistant

[@puchigire]

@@pinguefied yes I'll try that! I just had the dots on the back further apart because the hsk pro is wider in the back. I'm just not used to feeling all the tactile feedback on my fingertips after being on glass so long.

[@GucciShades-w1h]

whatr happened to the pinguefy channel

[@pinguefied]

takes way longer to make stuff for it and i have a lot more anxiety around posting x_x

[@Glenn_fps]

11:10 where do i buy these artisan dots

[@pinguefied]

not out yet sry 😭

[@Glenn_fps]

@ pain.. crazy fast response tho ur the goat

[@pinguefied]

@@Glenn_fps hopefully somewhat soon though c: i think they are at their final iteration at least

[@qfelt_5456]

Pingu didn’t forget the shein sleeve👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@torsteinminer]

I'm curious since you mentioned it in text overlay in the video, do you have any insider info on when the artisan dots are going to be released? Viscose mentioned that she was using em in a comment reply on her op1 vid a couple months back and i've been waiting to snag em ever since lmao.

[@pinguefied]

sadly i don't, i only got to try them bc i'm staying with viscose, i don't have any connection to artisan ;; from what i know, the dots are in their final version now, but we still don't know when it will be publicly available

[@panda1998x2]

I relate a lot about having issues with your arm feeling stuck in the mud with cloth. Were you able to find any solutions with your time with a hien? Do you think the mid/soft variants of the key83 can impact sleeve compatibility or the feeling of arm being stuck to the pad?

[@pinguefied]

no :( the closest thing i had to a solution was buying a roll of uhmw tape and attaching it to my sweater lmao. the procision was okay on a few cloth pads too i had way more luck with the key83 mid in terms of sleeve compatibility. it might just be the plushness of the soft allowing my arm to press into the pad under pressure and get stuck though

[@edge_knight]

@@pinguefied I didn't even realize that was you posting gunfire gameplay with clear tape stuck on you in the skypad discord it all makes sense now!

[@pinguefied]

@@edge_knight hmm i don't think that was me, but someone might've sent my twitter post about it there

[@Acooky.]

have you tried the soku fujin? I can't really find a trusted review and most of them contradict eachother. just wondering on if i should just pull the trigger and buy it or go with a safer option

[@pinguefied]

nope i haven't tried :(

[@Acooky.]

@@pinguefied rip :( i'll prob just full send the beast

[@pinguefied]

@Acooky. if you're okay with absurd speed then u should :D

[@Scurred-k9q]

What aspects of your aim did you feel were limited by glass? I play on a skypad 3.0 and feel that the lack of confidence in my wide flicks is really the only downside.

[@pinguefied]

- tension management on wide flicks, it was rly difficult to stop the mouse without tension and since target switching was my current focus, it was an important downside to me. i wouldn't say i wasn't confident on wide flicks, but i was not confident in being able to track after the wide flick ended. and yeah, generally pushing speed is harder as a result of the lack of friction to work with. - the amount of pad feedback you get is usually not to the same extent of textured cloth pads like the key83 or otsu. the way finger dragging works is also fundamentally different, where it helps with hard stops but is awkward with braking for more continuous motions. with cloth i'm able to glide my fingers on the pad and not affect my aim at all, but with glass, i have to have it not make contact outside of using them for stopping. - skill variance. i've been a bit more anxious lately and my readjustments in tracking occasionally got a bit too aggressive with glass; it's nice to have a little bit of extra stability from the pad on days like that. - flick-micro blending. due to bunch of factors like tension management and feedback, having both snappy but seamless micros post-flick is notably harder on glass, which is why static is such a difficult category for it. - generally microadjustments with glass is a mixed bag. on one hand it's really easy to start the motions and easy to remain fluid, but on the other hand, it's difficult to be as confident and stable with faster ones. i felt like a balanced pad could theoretically give the best of both worlds. - thanks to the higher friction and the ease of finger drag, the tension release becomes a much easier technique to pull off with cloth. this is the main reason why i wanted to give cloth a proper go. - a lot of the popular glass pads feel a tad bit small for me x_x

[@Scurred-k9q]

@ thanks for such an in depth explanation! i really appreciate it

[@NSeags]

Hello 👋 Have you made a video about your split keyboard ? Or would you be able to link the site you got it from.

[@pinguefied]

it's called the lily58!! i got mine from ergomech.store/

[@NSeags]

@pinguefied thank you so much!

[@Ratman22]

What skate would you recommend?

[@pinguefied]

jades are pretty safe! but i'm a sucker for artisan dots rn, they're so fast and consistent,,

[@edge_knight]

I've been maining an sp-004 and hsk pro (htx mini and htr pro on the way). An air purifier solves most of glass's grievances, but I'd love to go back and see if cloth can really offer any benefit at this point. btw how do you even get artisan dots?

[@pinguefied]

viscose has a bunch bc she has connections to artisan, so i got to steal some. they are not out quite yet though :(

[@elpaleterodelfuturo]

Based on your experience using a glass pad, what mouse feet would you recommend in terms of durability? Nice vid

[@pinguefied]

for durability ur probably out of luck, even if skates don't physically wear down a lot they still tend to slow down :( the plastix and uhmw skates all were a bit too slow or scratchy for me, but if you're on an ultra fast/smooth pad, you might be able to get away with it. i haven't tried the obsidian pro airs either, mayb they have improved them.

[@pinguefied]

personally my recommendation is to just get a ton of aliexpress skates. ultraglides are really solid: the rennsport II's impressed me a lot on the skypad 4, and before that i was just cycling through ultraglide speeds whenever they would get slower than i'd like. you can get a ton of them for quite cheap, i think it's a rly good solution

[@ruumelan]

Key-83 feels amazing with EADALI arm sleeve

[@pinguefied]

i'd love to try it, but i don't think i need _another_ obscure japanese sleeve haha

[@ruumelan]

@@pinguefied its the best sleeve mouse pad combo I've used, 100% worth trying out😁 black or white EADALI arm sleeve tho since there are differences weaving depending on the color

[@pinguefied]

​@@ruumelan frick i may have to

[@LeonidEr]

Hey, Pingu. I see you tried Kanami Sai glasspad. It's my main now. I'm still waiting for my Beast preorder. Can you kindly compare them? In terms of speed, control, surface?

[@pinguefied]

i haven't actually used it very much, i'll give it a spin later and let you know

[@LeonidEr]

@pinguefied ty, excited for ur opinion

[@pinguefied]

my very brief thoughts from extremely insufficient testing (about 5 minutes of gunfire with fresh jades) - i am not a fan of the kanami sai. it is a lot slower than i expected, but not in a way that feels productive? static, dynamic, and even the feel on my arm, it all feels like the pad is fighting my mouse movements in some way. very strange feeling from a glass pad, and i'd need some more time with it to figure out why it feels so sluggish to me, but it's like i'm trying to fight a magnetic force: a constant pull in the opposite direction that makes me really uncertain of all my mouse movements. it is quite smooth though!! it's also a bit smaller than the beast, while being about double the thickness. - the beast is faster, more textured, and more responsive. it lets your mouse control shine though very well, but also showcases all of the inaccuracies in your aim.

[@LeonidEr]

@@pinguefied Thanks! I replaced with Sai my Razer atlas. And all what u mention about "fighting surface" i was feeling about atlas, lol. Sai for me alot more responsive. Fast and controlled. But i agree with you, sometimes i feel like i want more freedom. That's why o ordered beast. Fun fact, i was compared Kazemi and Sai, and Kazemi was slower and more "fighting surface" for me. But so many ppl called it "best of the best". Huh. Looks like i need to try Sp-004 before my Beast arrive. What do you think, is it better pad, than Kanami Sai?

[@pinguefied]

@@LeonidEr hmm that's strange. I didn't really get that feeling at all from the Kazemi. It has a similar pulling feeling but not at all on my arm or on static friction, which made it a lot more functional for me. maybe it's skate variance or just your preferences, but if you like the sai, don't let me stop you :> the beast will be v interesting for you to try i'm sure, even if you don't end up maining it

[@meokga]

are artisan dots good for glass?

[@pinguefied]

completely incompatible sadly

[@AminuddinAiman-o7x]

what do you mean by artisan dots? you mean xraypad skates or wat

[@pinguefied]

@@AminuddinAiman-o7x no it's a skate made by artisan, the company that made this mousepad. i'm staying with viscose who has some connections to the owners of artisan, so i get the opportunity to try them early