The Most Cursed Game Ever Made

[@m.i.g.2023]

Skullgirls 2nd Encore: is literaly going through hell and back Skullgirls Mobile: Can you be quiet, I'm trying to sleep!

[@Bicorn711]

I swear encore and mobile players live in parallel dimensions

[@Meleedroit]

​@@Bicorn711honestly i didnt even know encore existed until now, i just thought it was as perfectly functional as mobile

[@nuclearpancake3683]

@@Bicorn711us mobile players are in heaven rn

[@ImNotFunny541]

lol

[@zz_mortal1925]

Encore is bad or not cuz I'm playing mobile, I guess we live in different parallels

[@randomguythatlikeshorrorga9588]

You hate the new update because they removed parts of the story, I hate it because the funny russian voice guy is no longer there

[@hyperEM._]

Real

[@nuetella9764]

Real. I missed mike's voice

[@freshlymemed5680]

That and Parasoul feels so bland without the arm band. They could have at least changed it to something else.

[@bowlingwynaut]

yes balls

[@djdreamer7249]

…what? 👁️👁️are you saying they took away my literal all time favorite fighting game announcer in Skullgirls?!

[@iliketrainsornot213]

Imagine breaking an NDA for your favorite game just for you to ruin it all by yourself.

[@basicbacon5951]

Cant believe there was someone that dumb, yet i just seen it

[@heroesoftomorrow3488]

Sorry, I do not care about the opinions of a garbage man: it is *Pointless* to listen to him

[@jeremyriley1238]

True, but it's people like them that are the main reason why video game companies have a policy where they refuse to accept ideas or concepts from fans or other people who do not work for the company, as it can result in such legal situations.

[@jabarithegoldenlucario8841]

Skullgirls is one of the most unfortunate games ever. Whenever things are looking up for the game, there’s always something that brings it right back down. It’s a shame because the game itself is AMAZING. It sucks that it has to go through so much trouble.

[@OttoNaCall]

fr fr

[@ItsAZues]

The Skull Heart is truly making this game go through hell and back.

[@PerryMcCall18]

Wait, Skull Heart or SkullGirl?

[@AofCastle]

@@PerryMcCall18 the Skull Heart corrupts the wish of the Skullgirl.

[@PerryMcCall18]

@@AofCastle ahh, okay.

[@heroesoftomorrow3488]

Somebody wished Skullgirl to be completed, and the Skull Heart twisted the desire to make its completion the most miserable experience ever

[@cristalido3640]

Okay, i'm arriving late to the party but I liked the video... Except for the part about Mike Z's removal, which is highly misinformed. He didn't interact with a "fan", it was a popular cosplayer who was outed for being manipulative and abusive called BunnyAyumi, who explicitly messaged him in private to talk about the game by literally bringing up lesbian BDSM, baiting Mike into saying inappropiate stuff, despite him trying this best to not be inappropiate and even asking for her consent to ask personal questions, to which he writes "humans with p*nises" in an attempt to avoid comming off as transphobic since the dude is literally autistic and sucks at communication. After this incident, a shitstorm ensues where the company backstabs him by organizing to leave together at the same time since Mike Z didn't want to be fired in the same way that happened with Alex Ahad, while making shit up about him to ruin his reputation... All of the proof regarding this is present in the current lawsuit, and the channel Technicals organized all of it in an hour long video discussing the entire timeline of these events in-depth, while also exposing how inconsistent and contradictory all of the accusations against Mike Z are in light of the available facts.

[@jamesrosewell9081]

How do you feel about the Dev of The Coffin of Andy and Leyley being doxed?

[@cristalido3640]

@@jamesrosewell9081 I'm absolutely disgusted, it was done by a bunch of transphobic losers who believed that the game was nothing more than a "psyop" to entice the masses into liking incest, and that the game would further cause the "downfall of the West"... It's honestly baffling how we can't have games exploring taboo subjects despite a similar controversy taking place decades ago with Rule of Rose, where journalists who never played the game began saying that it's about p*edophilia and sexually harassing minors, as well as killing them (as you might already expect, none of this was part of the game). I expected the gaming community to mature and learn from mistakes like this, but here we are... Losing our minds over an indie game that doesn't even focuses on incest, while harassing the creator to the point of revealing her personal information without consent.

[@Unknown----------11]

I was gonna comment a similar thing about this , if im honest i think no one in the dev team of skull girls is normal cuz most women in the dev team were talking menstruation and porn in general and mike was like trying the best to not sound weird as fuck and even avoiding and changing subject

[@fatyoshi696]

the fact that skullgirls is still alive and well after everything it's been through is wild to me, it's lived twice the lifespan of the average fighting game and been through enough development troubles and controversies to kill an AAA game multiple times over yet it's still going strong, and I'm very happy for it. it's truly a one-of-a-kind game and it's always a fun time whenever I boot it up even though I suck. I hope that no matter what else the game has to deal with in the future it'll still pull through

[@Jerome18921]

I’m surprised that the censorship controversy wasn’t the last straw

[@fatyoshi696]

@@Jerome18921 the craziest thing is the censorship controversy basically didn't affect the actual playerbase at all, the game's steam player counts look basically the same before and after. Due to its fundamental design ideas skullgirls is a game that's always going to be causing controversies and its players are used to it at this point, I honestly don't think anything can truly kill the skullgirls playerbase

[@oreganothankyou]

This game comes back from the dead more than the actual skullgirl

[@lorenzolara1148]

Is Alex Ahad consultant for future Skullgirl characters? These are his characters and his art style, he should be the one to tell and finish the story, when it is time.

[@jacobinho86]

Sadly, he left the outline of like 20 characters, so he kinda left the cheat sheet.

[@thewolfstu]

kinda sucks that the artist behind the characters ended up getting fired and separated from his own shit. Can definitely say that'd suck as an artist.

[@ilikecheeseandurugly1018]

Cheesburger

[@oddguy4419]

Burgerchees

[@ilikecheeseandurugly1018]

@@oddguy4419 beesechurger

[@Dashkilleranimations]

Whopper

[@ilikecheeseandurugly1018]

@@Dashkilleranimations :O

[@El_primo_fan_69]

Taco

[@Max44321]

Every character in Skullgirls is a fetish character, often multiple fetishes in one, so it's hilarious hearing the devs censoring their work, they'd have to delete the whole game and start from scratch for that.

[@Crobat7269]

Beowulf and his chair: 👀

[@payasodeprimido.3368]

Peacock… how is she fetishized?

[@lericebowl]

Big Band: 👀

[@Gojira-ii4ru]

You mean Parasoul... And the sailor moon parody are a sexual fantasy?

[@Max44321]

@@Gojira-ii4ru yes

[@smugbowkid9919]

Future Club ironically tried to make their game more “accessible,” and ended up alienating their devoted audience. And it still didn’t work, because I feel like Skullgirls has yet to go mainstream with popularity. Damn.

[@metamaster5469]

Tbh, the majority of the people bitching and moaning about these miniscule cosmetic changes have like less that three hours on the actual game, so they probably haven't even played it and are just butthurt coomers.

[@silverdededestruction2197]

@@metamaster5469 This game was built on the blood of said coomers and gacha addicts, no matter your stance on coomers, they are the actual fans of this game and you just don't see it. also the cosmetic changes also extend to cutscenes like big band's initial death in story mode

[@metamaster5469]

@@silverdededestruction2197 LMFAO NO ONE was paying money to see those single frames of animation, you pathetic whiny crybaby, people gave money to help the game grow. The ACTUAL fans of the game are the people who actually PLAY the fucking game, not the people kicking, screaming, crying and spitting up all over themselves because of underwear, arm bands and pieces of art that you can still just as easily find online. And for the record? Big Band's story is still the fucking same, they literally just changed it to show his POV BEFORE the beating, so uh... nice try.

[@deviallen2131]

​@@silverdededestruction2197that scene censorship HURT my writter's feelings.

[@terrance6814]

​@metamaster5469 I have over 80 hours in Skullgirls, fan since 2015, and the game's sudden meddling really upset me

[@Pirouyy]

there are only two absolute with skullgirls : Something will go wrong, and the launch party will never end.

[@Makskori]

Not telling the whole story about why Mike and Alex actually quit and just summing it up to them being "terrible people"(not what you said but basically it) is both offensive and misleading, I hope that you later apologize and correct this mistake, for the things these 2 people had to deal with(and Mike is still dealing with) are just depressing when you really dig into it.

[@Ducksen]

I will admit Mike's situation is more complicated than the video lets on, but the implication for both is most definitely not that they're terrible people. Alex is one of my biggest artistic inspirations and I even visited his booth at this most recent Anime Expo. I am not attempting to skew the narrative in any way other than finding it funny Mike talked about men with penises when flirting with a girl.

[@Makskori]

@@Ducksen I actually didnt expect you to reply, but thank you for clarification, I generally enjoyed this video its just that part I had a problem with so Im glad to have sorted this out. Have a good day.

[@notcoldghost]

I love skullgirls and how it was but the new owners suck and the worst thing isn’t even the censorship, it’s about how they don’t communicate with their own audience

[@joecrazy9896]

Don't forget they also insult them as well, if the leaked Discord messages are to be believed.

[@xXSoulGeoXx]

The controversy with the fans is one thing but they don't help themselves with also insulting the very people who brough their game where it is right now Like, the Konami thing, the Lab Zero death, just to do more censorship which angered fans the first time, and would probably repeat the same reaction if they did it again (which it did) its like 343 Industries promising stuff for Halo only to dissapoint their fans and breaking promises they said they were not gonna break (the split screen fiasco 3 times, the second was bad, by the 3rd, people would totally shit on them because the studio repeated many times how they were not gotta cut splitscreen after how much it angered Halo fans the other 2 times)

[@notcoldghost]

@@xXSoulGeoXx exactly it’s a loss-loss situation and they seem to not give a fuck

[@Blue-ng7me]

Honestly not just because Alex draws suggestive stuff all the time, its also because people came out about it that he was also lazy with the story and his job. At the time of making Indivisible, there are old videos of Alex Ahad showing what the plot of Indivisible would have been like, but it was him constantly rewriting the story and also not coming into work or even him with his terrible work ethic ultimately lead him to being fired. We don't even see any of what he originally intended in Indivisible's final game. People are saying that Skullgirls needs Alex Ahad to make the game good again, but he hasn't had any sort of relevancy in other works aside from this one, he's sorta just a one hit wonder, random things that he came up with just worked and clicked with this game.

[@Blue-ng7me]

Its such a shame because Indivisible fans cant even get their dlc characters put in due to Mike Z firing everyone

[@Rayce_Istanus]

Man, that kinda explains why Indivisible was the way it was.

[@melreinh5265]

came back to skullgirls after a few years and im seeing these videos on controversy (Technicals in depth explanation on the controversy, made 3 months after this video, sheds more light on the situation). It's so damn hard to support skullgirls when Future Club really feels like the biggest jerk here. Mike Z made mistakes sure but like... Future Club OG members basically got away with it. and they definitely were the scummiest part of the whole thing.

[@GregTheLion]

Doing absolutely nothing until the very last minute and somehow making it worse, sounds pretty on par with Konami

[@CaliburovX4]

The people trying to gaslight Skullgirls fans into being okay with being robbed are _wild!_

[@GodOfOrphans]

Parasites, not people

[@rsho3472]

It's always the people outside of the fandom who's voices are louder and care not for the game (nor do they play it). That's why you keep your communities gatekept.

[@turkeyman631]

Love how people desperately want to out this autistic man for having autistic tendencies. Weird! From everything I've seen, the devs at Future Club had some rightful gripes but handled it about as well as some corrupt politician.

[@dahyirofawswag8926]

14:16 Holy shit its me

[@chunkycoone5040]

Censordship towards the artbook was a major L towards the dev team.

[@MrLednard]

Minor detail that was not mentionned: Another part of what was removed includes some of the fanarts and artworks included into the art gallery of the game. As well as some stuff that what was available in the Artbook DLC that people actively paid for.

[@petergunner1091]

Guess we aint gettin Skullgirls 2 anytime soon. My mains are Peacock, Ms Fortune, and Cerebella also.

[@ratedr7845]

it sucks but that's good for them

[@deadzone4033]

Fellow Ms. Fortune main!

[@WhyHandlesIMeanFroggchamp]

Eliza and Filia gang

[@Meleedroit]

Mine are fukua, fillia, and squigly

[@JustAPrinnyDood]

RIP Skullgirls 2: Deadly Airport

[@nooneyouknow13]

You really should have mentioned Mike's countersuit.

[@shanthegamer21]

I’ve been wishing for a while that WayForward would be able to acquire both Indivisible and Skullgirls; they were one of the LEAST controversial indie developers, unlike their partners, and the guys who produced Shantae and co-worked on River City Girls.

[@aniiii_wxs]

and catgirl without salad

[@shanthegamer21]

@@aniiii_wxs I still wish they added 6 or 9 levels instead of leaving it at 3.

[@nignognas3352]

Mike didn't fire everybody from the company, they left by themselves

[@masteruni6885]

lmao i remember the dlc war. Fans of this game can be either the worst or best ppl imagineable. ill still love the game no matter what.

[@MagicMan608]

Reminder: Mike Z indirectly caused YandereDev

[@spinestealer8129]

I knew he reminded me of someone!

[@xibalbalon8668]

He's Mr Incredible to Yandev's Syndrome

[@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf]

His actual biggest crime

[@mr.chipotle9716]

The only changes necessary from the new censorship update were the crosses on Valentine's design because it breaks the Geneva Convention but man was it sad to have the rest of the changes

[@Pirouyy]

actually it was patched long ago by changing her red crosses into pink ones, the redesign that turned some of the crosses into shuriken was more of an added bonus that fitted her a lot more.

[@oniontheif8552]

And maybe the red arm bands on the black egrets..... but other than that, yeah. The rest weren't needed.

[@t.k7five084]

That's stupid. A red cross has been around longer, then the Red Cross orignzation itself.

[@Gamer-zg2wb]

@@oniontheif8552 Why? Why would you want the thing removed that marks the bad people as the bad people?

[@orisfamaemon]

I CAN get behind the Filia censorship considering she is in fact a teenager, but I feel that it probably would have been better to never make her a 16 year old in the first place.

[@sweetpea644]

Just bump Filia to 18 and there's no issue

[@orisfamaemon]

@@sweetpea644 Exactly, is it so hard to believe she was looking for Carol for at least 2 to even 4 more years? Hell you could’ve told me she was 20 and i’d believe it.

[@upyoursassmonkey]

I don't see why 16 is even an issue though, I don't recall her age ever being mentioned in the game and 16 is the age of consent in most of Europe, Canada, and the majority of the USA.

[@platinumg.8614]

And for the clothes could still make sense because poor Fillia doesnt have money.

[@idk72.]

​@@platinumg.8614that would also explain why her clothes don't fit her, she's been using her same school outfit for years, and obviously a school outfit wouldn't be that revealing

[@october1820]

Skullgirls is just a bunch of series of It's so over/We're so back magnified into the existence of something.

[@Eaten_Fishnuggets]

Now what I'm seeing after some digging about Mike's side, he said he was framed with these allegations. The screenshots people gave were cropped, not showing the whole convos that they were the first to bringup these convos and not by Mike(even tho they said he was the one that did). What's even crazier is that an alegal paper by Mike himself (since this is being brought to court) that he's on the autism spectrum(which might somewhat explain why not reading the room correctly has caused some heavy backlash.) I'm not too sure on which side I am on because most of this IS being settled outside what the internet can see so we have bits and pieces. We can sightly conclude to 'yes he abused people in the workplace' or 'a bunch of people took advantage of a person with a disorder' until all this court stuff is concluded and there's announcements that happens. Man this makes my brain hurt. (Btw I thank so much about you making this vid. Hella good and it helped me keep up to speed. Especially since I didn't pay attention to the stuff back in 2015 cause I was too fixated on the game itself and not what's been goin on behind the scenes and its community.)

[@shriderrad4123]

I was about to comment this stuff too, Mike Z's lawsuit appeal even went into detail on how some staff would wear inappropriate attire to work and made some other staff feel uncomfortable. That the majority of the staff were long time friends with Mike and they frequently talked with one another and that eventually the staff made a separate Discord server just to shit on him behind his back throw him under the bus and take the company Lab Zero Games for themselves. In all honesty I think the majority of the SkullGirls staff are just terrible people. Not including Alex Ahad or Mike Z tbh, Mike doesn't really strike me as a bad person with malicious intent, just a socially awkward guy who lacks social cues or basic understanding.

[@tiagocouto887]

I can understand the point you want to make and more or less put something in gray side, but he only coming out having a spectrum of autism after lab zero died. You can search for it if you put "Mike autism" on Google and it will show the tweet which he said it and see that he only did that after lab zero was dead. I think it pretty convenient that he only seek help after lab zero dying and not before where he could seek for medical help. Also I will not say that future club devs are without fault regarding this matter but I don't think they would make a elaborate plan to screw Mike if their relationship wasn't already bad, also the crops on that twitter girl doesn't to be fake since it came out of nowhere when that happen if you remember correctly if you being paying attetion to the game since 2015. The allegations only came out in 2019-2020 if I remember correctly. I know people with personality disord and autism, but none of them really strike as mean spirit as Mike, autism can make people relationship complicated but it doesn't make them a bad person. Mike also made that joke regarding Flyod's case on stream many people went to help and apologize for his behavior. I find odd that the same people that tried to help him also would only turn theirs back to him without a reason. I myself have a personally one that I can't really prove happen where he started berating a person while commenting on stream for no apparent good reason, he said something like "you're not capable to stream my game" and I think he said that that person should never stream SG again. I can't really remember to who he said that but it's something that make remember that there stuff outside of all that are know by the community where the dude is a jerk for sure.

[@Eaten_Fishnuggets]

@@tiagocouto887 That is true. It's weird that now he's seeking out medical help even though he should've been doing this before lab zero broke off. It's a chance he was seeking it out because other's pointed out he had some traits of being autistic but he didn't take it seriously/had other priorities until the reports have happened(in Mike's alegal paper). I actually have a little bro that's autistic as well and has a hard time to speak his mind, so it's harder to understand him if you don't know him well enough(also ye he a sweet dude). It's also a possibility that with miscommunications came with bad backlash from Mike Z to the rest of the crew. And yea I've started watching gameplay and tournaments(cause I couldn't afford the game nor had a console to play it on) back around late 2015 early 2016. I remember when I bought indivisible, saw that it was incomplete but it's going to get updates and dlc. But then the reports of Mike being an A in the workplace, stopping any future updates in an 75% completed game kinda bummed me out. That's weirdly how I found out about the allegations when there was only going to be a final dlc update when there was going to be a plethora of updates.

[@tiagocouto887]

@@Eaten_Fishnuggets Yeah it suck pretty bad, I pre-ordered indivisible and I am still bummed out that it can't be finished. My cousin has bipolar personality and he always seeing more or less distant from myself and his family. His family seek medical attention way before on his teenage years but he suffered a lot. Mike may truly have a spectrum of autism but the relationship with the community (at least the people that being old in the community) pretty much tainted by now.

[@Eaten_Fishnuggets]

@@shriderrad4123 Yea the creators never struck to me as bad people either, but do lean on that miscommunication can leave to sour aftermaths. Ahad was able to give a proper answer about the sexism controversy that I side on greatly, but he did draw a very inappropriate animation without telling anyone in the team, which does seem weird. It might've been the same for Mike as well. Where he is a really cool dude but bad at reading the room(example making a joke out of someone's recent death). It went to the point that the side glances leaned into more bad mouthing(whether some of the affiliations are true or not) then into creating a different discord server to try to get him off the team. I've heard that he is in credits in some games(I'm not too sure what) in the dying down of the heat of this controversy which is interesting to hear and raises some questions.

[@buzztheshowhost4783]

Skullgirls is a game that can bend in every direction but can never be broken!

[@thevocatiousunspeakables709]

*removes both the original creators* *censors the game* *says they're making it better* Hmm, I wonder how this could have happened?

[@thewolfstu]

I had a friend who is *Obsessed* with this game to the point that his Discord icon has been the stabby nurse lady since, like, *Years* ago. All I ever knew about it was "Slightly lewd anime girl fighting game" and honestly I gotta say that I am surprised the artist behind the character creations didn't make sure he was working with people as horny as he was. and I say that not as a shot at him for being horny but as also a artist who draws horny or NSFW shit as well. lol and, well, technically I am a game dev first and foremost, but I haven't released a game in years. I guess it also applies to D&D as well... or really any group thing. Look, if you wanna be horny, be horny with others who are also horny, simple.

[@Utrilus]

That's a good lesson, work with people who have good rapport with you. Especially if the project is one of passion.

[@thewolfstu]

@@Utrilus Mmh, 100%

[@Shnarfbird]

Several of them acted just as horny as he was, just with hypocritical backstabbing later

[@skyrimlover777]

Honestly a lot of the censorship other than the red armbands I haven't noticed. I see panties at least 30 times a play session when I play skullgirls mobile on allegedly censored characters. *Presumably* changes made to the main game would cascade onto mobile. The only part I really care about is big bands story.

[@sharzinlalebazri5673]

You can say "review bombing" but we all know what it really is: the common man using the only weapon he has against the cold, uncaring machine.

[@Ducksen]

Not trying to take away the validity of people's reviews, they have a right to complain, I just don't know what else you'd call a bunch of people coming together to negatively review a game they've had for a while

[@sharzinlalebazri5673]

@@Ducksen You call it protesting. "Review Bombing" implies malicious intent and malicious tactics such as botting.

[@tiagocouto887]

@@sharzinlalebazri5673 I mean its seams malicious intented since I don't actually know the majority of people that are complaing about the game, most of them came from the sales on that month, I saw I lot of 0-10 hours negative reviews. I play this game since 2017 and I have 5000 hours in game, and never heard of anyone that is complaining right now. I genuality think the majority just don't like censorship, don't actually know who was Mike Z for community, why his VA was removed, and haven't being part to the conversations that we had regarding how odd/bad its was for the game having nazist iconograph and minors being sexualized. I didn't like the removed the Robocop reference in Big Band's story mode but to me at least are the majority of things being complained are minors things regarding how well made the game is. I don't think the game should even be sold for 2.50 dollars on steam's sale at all. Also not only people complanied about the changes on steam but some hackers hacked the mobile version's chat for like a month, terrorizing people who still playing it, saying the would delete people accounts and showing "X" person just won super character "Y".(Just to correct myself, saying that the dev team actually disable the chat while try to solve the problem and not super clear what they want to do or if was actually having anything to do with the censorship but the time frame lead people to believe it was target because of that. I myself wanted to understand why they done that but I don't really understand russian/ukrainian. You can search for videos on youtube showing hackers on SG mobile's chat.)

[@skrulgrills]

you guys are just manchildren

[@nd7783]

@@sharzinlalebazri5673 also im pretty sure that term was created by a AAA publisher in the same way that BP oil created the term "carbon footprint" as a way to deflect criticism from them

[@JP_Soup]

This game can't catch a break.

[@LTDLetsPlays]

So this was a story of unfortunate fighting game that it’s team backstabbed it’s original creators and the team itself is Twatter snakes that are now actively ruining the game with their questionable decisions

[@tarkir1094]

Yeah basically

[@Mr.Kafuffles]

Basically yeah. And the numbers are still as low as ever, even when Marie releases you can bet your sweet bippy that the numbers will STILL stay the same no matter what until its imminent end and the game is dead.

[@tiagocouto887]

As someone that being playing the game since 2017, the only decision that I can disagree its regarding Band's story mode being changed, all of the others things were things that old players always found odd, didn't like or were neutral to it. To me its make sense removing them since when people started point out them I myself started disliking them. Also the majority of the old team its on the new team. The reason that Mike and Ahad not making part of the new team are different, Mike fired everybody and killed Lab Zero while killing Indivisiable since all the animation team that worked with it also worked with SG for at least 10 years was fired and Future Club was created and started working in the game since SG's IP was sold way back in the day for Atumn Games for multiple reasons. Ahad left through internal team decisions which even Mike was ok with that.

[@soulsofdeath2569]

Wait wait wait... You forgot they censored a Artbook as well. The listen learned here is own the right to your game and characters. That way ppl can't mess with it. I hope this sink and never blows up. The who work on it deserve to fail.

[@pinkjolyne5432]

I hate to break the news to you but Skullgirls is not dying anytime soon, not a single person that actually plays the game cares about the ''censorship'' you guys like to bitch moan so much about, the playerbase has only increased since the patch and new characters and content are still being added.

[@soulsofdeath2569]

@@pinkjolyne5432 Expect I check the numbers and its not growing. 266 players. I wanted to get Skullgirls but it seems they don't want ppl to enjoy the artwork, animations, or a art book that they censered. I get were your coming from but Skull girls will only shrink more and more overtime.

[@pinkjolyne5432]

@@soulsofdeath2569 Why do you think i'm telling you that the playerbase grew? just look up the steam charts of the game, even after the review bombing the game still thrived and at the end of the day that's what matters, people playing the game they love, not people bitching on the internet. If you actually care that much about the artbook changes, then just look it up lmao, the old art is still on the internet. And by the way, when Marie drops the playerbase will only keep increasing, like it alredy did.

[@soulsofdeath2569]

@@pinkjolyne5432 No the player base didn't grow at all. In fact 200-500 is the amount of ppl who play the game. Least on steam. Its not growing at all. I pay for something I should have it wholes sale you can't modify it b/c you think its offensive. Going into a artbook and take out art is just petty censorship shit. Fuck the devs. and this game can continue to die before the censorship only twice as fast.

[@joecrazy9896]

​@@pinkjolyne5432Sounds like copium

[@joey5745]

If you hate censorship then don't complain when someone makes something thats too edgy, other ppl might enjoy it, let them enjoy it and go do something else, Example: Mortal Kombat is to gorey, DOA is too um jiggly? Therefore I play something else, lol SIMPLE

[@silverdededestruction2197]

Wait I thought Alex left? He was fired????

[@edfreak9001]

it might be a situation where he left before being formally fired but the writing was on the wall? Dunno. Either way I hope he makes another game or somehow gets his mitts on the rights again sometime.

[@ratedr7845]

​@edfreak9001 hope he got the rights again

[@tiagocouto887]

@@edfreak9001 I don't think is bold to say the would be fired but its was something that all the old team was ok with happening, even Mike. Now regarding the IP rights for the game, he would need to buy it from Autumn Games, the current holders of the IP and somewhat convince the current team to working with him or for him. The current team has being animated SG for at least 10 years now and you don't see the same quality of work in animation for a game very often. There are few games right now that are draw by hand, SG, Cuphead and Banner Saga are some examples, and in my knowledge SG is a fighting game and the art is gorgeous. SG is very impresive on its right.

[@nacidomuerto4443]

I'm going to fucking cry... I've been playing Skullgirls for a while now and this is destroying me. I was in a dark place and Skullgirls brought me back to life again and now seeing this... Such an unfortunate game.

[@bog4612]

This game won't be dying any time soon as longest people whale on the mobile version of Skullgirls. PS: Filia censorship was done so she can join Smash /J

[@ImTheGuy]

13:27 you are self censoring, on a chapter about self censorship. Nothing major, just found it funny.

[@theman6422]

Ima be real: I started on the mobile app, so I had no idea about all this. This is all really crazy, cuz I genuinely love the mobile game and feel bad for the people who want to enjoy the original game. Maybe there is some hope for this game about a curse to get out of its own curse

[@Rivər]

You did not do your research on the Alex and Mike drama at all. Shame on you.

[@Jesus-hu4lq]

Its crazy after a few months of this situation i heard they added a new soviet voice pack with a new VA with the marie dlc. Honestly still a fun game with awesome characters just its doomed to be cursed and have something bad happen to them constantly.

[@RedsHitpostMedia]

Its honestly a testament to how much the fans kept this alive after 10 years despite its rocky moments. I was there on Twitter during the 2nd wave of censorship and it was basically telling the fans who stuck through the end that their content will be cut because its "UN PC". This was game popularized because its hen tie and style and now after 10 years they have problem while acting like the moral police when their artists ALSO did lewd art!? Lets face it the 2 people who made the game turned out to be jerks and everyone knows they cant make a sequel as evident by the 10 years of little progress. So they desperately try to make it into the mainstream market while erasing the games identity in the first place.

[@Utrilus]

I think it's possible that the 2 people who had the vision of the game were lewd, while they hired a prude crew. And the moment raunchy people were out of way they could work against that vision. Thooo with the limited budget they didn't do all that much. And try to get some marketing through being moral and just by removing problematic content.

[@LalitoTV]

Great seeing an in depth video about SG in this day and age, however, it is missing two key elements: Skullgirls mobile and indivisible, which further complicated things when it came to money... Also, 12:31 bruh it was literally two panty shots, like literally two Anyway, I don't like the dude, but its unfair to the situation that you didn't put the context to the comment mike Z said, the fan he said that to literally started talking about BDSM to HIM!!!!!

[@arielbeltranvz9339]

Just starting its just for the second comment i have no opinion on the last thought, its mainly for the second one. i agree with the first one, the mobile one was a disaster, still to this day having difficulty of people playing, it just happens to still be alive. But it wasnt actually just the pantyshots they removed, LOTS and LOTS of fan art that was there in the artwork section, they also reworked a lot, so there is no longer some the fanart people did. It did was like punching the fans in the face they literally said no to the content they used to say yes. i agree some pantyshot couldnt hurt but that many its kinda ridiculous.

[@LalitoTV]

​@@arielbeltranvz9339 yes they altered things and removed exactly 4 fan art pieces, but that was much later. In the patch he mentions on the timestamp I put, only TWO panty shots were removed I would know, I literally made one of the videos about the changes that got featured in this video (albeit without credit)

[@Pirouyy]

@@arielbeltranvz9339 Lalito's talking about the first censoring (which was not problematic imo), not the last one.

[@tiagocouto887]

@@arielbeltranvz9339 Lots is overstatement, its was like 3, it isn't?

[@CBman11037]

​@@arielbeltranvz9339Says the Toby Fox fan

[@ChronoStrife]

I wish game companies would stop caring about miserable people complaining about racism or sexism in games, or changing things internally because you're afraid of some potential backlash about. Giving into those nutjobs damages your development process, because then they start making more demands. Let your art speak for itself, ignore fans when their comments are about social or political issues.

[@1Lazarus]

I wish i looked like the nurse lady, she looks so pretty :)

[@1Lazarus]

I should try this game out again

[@IcyFir3902]

The one last thing Skullgirls needs right now. Is a character in a Crossover game. Perhaps Indie Pogo would elect Filia to be in the roster?

[@lol3342]

Oh yeah fun fact: the voice actor for Samson dubbed Dio in JJBA and the voice actress for Black Dahlia dubbed Lisa Lisa in JJBA

[@Boredom89]

Japanese voice actor for Beowulf is Jotaro

[@gangstasonic97573]

Thanks guys

[@rexwrecks2735]

Nice breakdown of the development, hopefully everything pans out well for it and it stays active for years to come. Skullgirls deserves it.

[@UnTizio100K]

yeah, you wish...

[@rexwrecks2735]

@@UnTizio100K I do

[@FlantisFroggu]

They say that Yandere Simulator has a curse of being forever unfinished Isn't this a coincidence that both these games are cursed? They are different curses but they are cursed, and Alex did talk to one of the dev. Pretty suspicious 🤔what does it all mean?

[@AIDRAUTIONS]

I remeber that time when zone worked with skullgirls...Is soo wierd having zone toon in the project even that person did a flash game about filia and...well the rest is wierd.... Anybody think zone toon looks like peter emo from spiderman 3? Because when i see his model i can´t think about her without thinking about peter emo.

[@iamLI3]

apparently you also don't know that skullgirls would be overwhelmingly negative rated on steam right now if steam was also not actively taking part in the the censorship of the troony sjws gaslighting the game's fans over the censorship of it , because steam has deleted most of the negative reviews that were made on it

[@Beepers559]

Wait the censor update was in 2015?! How did I never hear of it? Edit: well, one of them anyway

[@Skaetbull]

Man, this game was cool back in the 2020s and then it just, shot itself in the foot. It’s funny to see that they never die somehow

[@user-AADZ]

The pharoah's curse

[@sights-sounds-sadventure]

🏜️

[@WhyHandlesIMeanFroggchamp]

🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿

[@that_one_filipina_girl_who951]

"Skullheart! I wish that nothing like this happens again!"

[@JOfJaZ]

Skullgirls becoming the game that its community deserves

[@dariogonzalez8989]

I... I don't know if that's supposed to be a compliment or an insult.

[@JOfJaZ]

@@dariogonzalez8989 I've wasted a lot of years of my life on the Skullgirls forums. My view of the deeper community is not a good one.

[@ratedr7845]

Honestly, ownership should have stayed with alex and mike, look what they're doing with it now

[@pinkjolyne5432]

Oh, how terrible, Future Club keeps releasing new characters with the same quality and attention to detail Skullgirls has always been known for, they are killing the game!!! they should have stayed with Mike Z who is clearly not a problematic individual at all... /s

[@ratedr7845]

@pinkjolyne5432 aw, gonna cry?

[@pinkjolyne5432]

@@ratedr7845 I'm not the one malding because Mike Z and Alex both got kicked out of Skullgirls while the game is thriving without them

[@ratedr7845]

@@pinkjolyne5432 no, but you are sucking the sweat off of their balls

[@CBman11037]

NO SHE CAN'T HAVE A RED ARMBAND! THEY'RE THE GOOD GUYS Have you guys heard of the wonders of german science and the stone masks?

[@bicben]

11:09 that wasn't bad, that was based

[@laughingman7467]

Cursed as in "Why cant anything, ever go right with it for soo goddamn long?!" This game is the equivalent of WH40K lamenters with how much shit its getting put through. Fortunately my jailbreaked ps4 will never get the censor patch of skullgirls.

[@udayhd]

Truly a cursed game

[@WwZa7]

why are so many people scared of boobs

[@systemprogramstartup]

Lmfao ikr. It's so childish and trivial. Aaahh female anatomy!!! I'm TERRIFIED!!

[@TECH097]

>>Rip off turkey tom's style No that can't be, you actually sound credible and decent.

[@numberjuaanctr420]

Nice to know it’s 2024 and skullgirls is still going through hell and back, and it seems the only thing keeping it alive is removing a lot of the charm and original art and soul that the game had, say what you will, taking out content from a game and not replacing it with anything else is just a bad move to the fans.

[@Fearfire_]

Skullgirls reminds me of the sisyphus meme for no reason☠️☠️

[@Chiisaru]

13:56 that's not a super, It's the combo freeing all characters have 14:06 It was altered (still needed a better changed) probably due to George Floyd and Mike Z incident 14:28 Not entirely because of Mike Z voicing him but because of the Ukrainian -Russian conflict that has been for almost a year or more. But I indeed I'm on the side that future dev team should have added replacements for the announcer and the 3 removed art pieces that used Fukua sexualized and Parasoul with the nazi Party colors. The egrets changes unfortunately is how nowadays anyone from far right depict him/herself as a nazi like It's no big deal.

[@YourFavoriteVampireSuccubus]

Don't forget they also changed the tutorial character to Sonicfox, a known creep and crybaby abuser. Also a cringe furry

[@NuclearXAtomico]

>someone makes an innocuous joke about an objectively bad person >that's enough to freak everyone into accusations about harassment and abuse what the hell is wrong? they were abused for years but they didn't say a shit until that joke because of little they care for themselves or they were so triggered so much from that that they started doing the accusations?, I do get it if something that serious happens why it has to be related to something so silly?

[@lxstfulgrxvestone69420]

i saw filia and immediately knew what this was talking about. blew my mind bc i rarely get sg related content on my feed (commentary and persona memes galore)

[@mxtr2977]

I guess I could say that the devs made a promise to the skull heart

[@lxstfulgrxvestone69420]

a promise to forever curse this game to not-so-well-done updates on the characters and creepy fans in every corner of the game

[@thebrokegamer365]

I feel that the fillia changes are fine since she’s conically a minor. The story changes are weird and the comb thing is also weird.

[@metalmosaic_]

Dont worry guys he means "cursed" in development terms

[@SadToffee]

I swear the new skullgirls team is obsessed with making the game something it's not. And i would also like to draw attention to how many children they are adding to the roster. Like it's honestly weird, and it really feels like they're adding their poorly fit OCs into the skullgirls universe, which could explain them being blatantly overpowered on release and still the best characters in the game. I don't like the new dev team, but I don't hate them, they're just really tonedeaf and bad at handling the skullgirls ip.

[@katelawyer3689]

All the new characters were in the games story and lore for years lore umbrella is parasols sister for fucks sakes lol

[@SadToffee]

@@katelawyer3689 still hilarious how badly out of place they feel and that they chose those specific characters. They even dropped the ball with black dahlia, and the whole community had nothing but hype for her.

[@jacobinho86]

@@SadToffee Alex had outlined something like 30 characters for the game and the 4 that are coming right now were always part of it (Marie is the final boss), heck I was so hyped for them because of a statement that said that those 4 were the characters needed to fully tell the story mode. The current dev team isn't making any new characters for the lore and thank God because if they did I'm pretty sure it would be an overweight rainbow-colored furry. Now on the balance side, the one that balansed stuff in the game was Mike, the dude for all his faults was a pro fighting game player and I'm pretty sure the new devs still don't even know what a fighting game is, there are a lot of comments on the Marie videos saying "Ok... just by a glance this bitch is busted" and that's coming from the people that just went 'yas queen' to the whole drama, yeah, they need Mike, or at least someone like Mike because unlike Alex, Mike didn't leave a cheat sheet.

[@pinkjolyne5432]

@@SadToffee You are reaching very hard because you are literally the first person i've ever seen who has an issue with the DLC characters, anyone that actually plays the game knows how frequently people use Umbrella, Dahlia and Annie lol

[@SadToffee]

@pinkjolyne5432 Sorry, I'm reaching... for my own opinion..?

[@xXSoulGeoXx]

Future Club at this point pretty much hijacked Skullgirls from the original creators and they still think their censorship was going to be taking with a positive look.... Mike sure was an asshole from what it became know during Lab Zero's death but Ahad the most I seen its him just having a liking to draw sexy characters ( which I respect ) they can still continue without MikeZ but I doubt things will ever be up to quality without the arist that gave birth to the game in the first place in summary the staff left are the type of people who would totally scream at the sight of Ecchi Anime for being ecchi (which is the point) and they probably would hate Kill La Kill (which is amazing, cool as hell, and yeah, the designs are sexy as well, but the best part? it got more than that)

[@FrenchThottyAmelia]

fillia is hot asf and has the best rule 34 out of the roster tbh.

[@mythos6308]

Did not think George Floyd would make a guest star appearance in a Skullgirls video

[@pleaserespond3984]

Not to mention Annie - the new character they added looks completely out of place. She wouldn't be out of place in Pretty Cure! Skullgirls is supposed to be gritty and sleazy, and a cute magical girl played completely straight just clashes severely. Like, maybe make the knife more vicious looking, put an eye in the handle, make it look like the weapon is controlling the girl. Currently it's just a girl with Australian knife.

[@eyy_man1162]

What about Sagan?

[@ghigliottina8562]

This game is the best . I love it. The caretachers... the lore...magic , magic . Skullgirls changed my vision of life for the story and I think that nothing can change my opinion . I m the biggest fan of Skullgirls ❤

[@kapwns]

no command list? lmao welcome to the 90's experience, where we all scrawled down what we figured out and gathered from guides and friends in the school yard.

[@phragrunt5680]

i wonder if there will ever exist a genderbend version of skullgirls characters...

[@gangstasonic97573]

There is, it’s called Skullguys

[@phragrunt5680]

@@gangstasonic97573 two questions. 1: Is It official or fanmade? 2: does It have the same chatacters genderbend or totally new male chatacters?

[@TheKazuma410P]

​​@@phragrunt5680 If this is the thing I saw once, the reality is that it's the parasites as actual characters, so Samson, Avery, Leviathan, etc... Oh and it's fanmade, if you haven't checked yet.

[@indominis5000]

Who's ready for Marie when she drops on pc/ wait there is no more Russian announcer 😭

[@69hahafunny]

Skullgirls is just, a rollercoaster of a lot of bs, i mean emotions

[@tiagocouto887]

I think the removel of content was fine for most part of it and i can understand why they did it since i being in the community for a long time. I don't like that they did it without warning and I wish that band's story art comeback but most things removed were always complained among old players. Nobody really liked that there was minor being sexualized and hegrets had the armband, since hegrets are good people for real and the association with being good and nazism isn't a thing which should be portrayed. The VA being removed only highlight how bad the relationship with Mike has become. Also I am seeing people using #saveskullgirls hashtag on twitter but the studio are the only people who know to animate the game since they be doing for like 10 years by now, the new dev team is like all the dev team which was on lab zero and went to future club after Mike fired everybody. Indivisible is also incompleted/dead cause of this and it was funded by the community.

[@CBman11037]

I don't care what the motive is, remove content is never good. Regardless of your thoughts on that content.

[@tiagocouto887]

@@CBman11037 But the motives do matter when we analyse why something is the way that is. Although I myself didn't like all the changes they did or the way they did it, I don't think that people can ignore what happened in the past and how that might shape anything in the futurue. The majority of the people that is on the current team suffered while were in Lab Zero or have bitter thoughts about certain things in the game that they don't like anymore since they become more mature with certain aspects of theirs life or experience stuff that changed how they felt about things. The motives are so important that people created theories why they did and only associte with a negative light because on how abrupted it was done and how they are not adressing the situation. I do think its a bad way to deal with the situation but when you analyse a situation, the context, the past and the motive is always important. We don't know for sure what was the motives outside of the reasons they gave on theirs official statement or the context on why they decided to do that but old players have the the past and the drama that the game has to come with rational conclusions on why those thing did happen or a moral decision that some stuff should just go. The majority of players that still play the game are in fact older players while you can resonable questions on the motives the majority of the negative reviews on steam come from people with 0-10 hours played. To me its more a knee jerk reaction spreed by misinformation and mean spirit than analysing the situation while not being passionated with words like woke and censorship combinated with how devs are treating the situation. Ignoring the motives and I will add the past isn't really an option while in the pursue of truth. Either way the game's image is ruined for those casual players while older players don't really care or agree with them for theirs own motives or out of spite for people complaining about the game.

[@Utrilus]

The context is that they remove the OG people who build the foundation of the game, because most of the employees didn't like their scuffed newgrounds or raunchy background and tastes. Now they're just fixing what little they can.

[@brookemcnichol9686]

I agree espically with the removal of minor sexualization because they amount of people in here defending it because it’s fictional is concerning

[@Dr._Nicolas]

When people who don't care about the game take control over a passion project, a cautionary tale on videogame dev, secure your rights, check who you are working with and for the future to not promise anything.

[@peaceaintpeaceful]

Me as a Skullgirls mobile player: interesting

[@CatUnderpowered]

Art moment 🤯

[@charlesajones77]

Been supporting Skullgirls since the beginning. I hope they do offer another set of DLC characters... so I can refuse to support it anymore.

[@IzFanArt69]

wow didnt know they got manny problem when development

[@cheffdonty]

Alex and Mike were at the heart of this thing. It's probably still a decent game but I don't have it in me to go back to it.

[@WhyHandlesIMeanFroggchamp]

Aw hell naw the Skullgirls KZbin essay dropped 💀

[@theactualeverest5088]

Any updates?