Stephan Kesting teaches Kani Basami, the most dangerous throw in Judo and BJJ. More tips, tricks and techniques at www.grapplearts.com/newsletter
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@justsomeguywithtattoos62673 жыл бұрын
Worked perfectly! My grandmother is so impressed she's still laying on the floor
@hansen7043 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@zomb1elvis2 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@hoodedjimbob2 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@christophermarkee54452 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@Luvanna172 жыл бұрын
😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
@onegaisti10 жыл бұрын
My sensai Scorpion taught me this back in the mid 90s. Very effective.
@v3ryculturedman1405 жыл бұрын
Lmfao bro I just posted about sumthing like this
@fondeur5 жыл бұрын
Scorpion the OG master .
@lightwrkszn76744 жыл бұрын
sensei SCORPION 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@sammylane213 жыл бұрын
Hmmm?? I believe my Sifu, Bi-Han, knows your Sensi Scorpion?
@jestfullgremblim80022 жыл бұрын
Lol
@adastra009 жыл бұрын
"hey, grab my wrist! no, my other wrist!"
@rand_-mk5lb6 жыл бұрын
adastra00 Hahahaha
@miiz133 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@peterjames73243 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@treefell1003 жыл бұрын
That’s exactly what I thought! 😂😂😂😂
@jestfullgremblim80022 жыл бұрын
Krav maga be like
@kiekert20078 жыл бұрын
I will practice this on my mother in law.
@bluegod70928 жыл бұрын
lmao
@RightToSelfDefense8 жыл бұрын
Sure and get taken off her will?
@ericsandoval38008 жыл бұрын
Lmfao Nooooice!!
@dieterh.93428 жыл бұрын
Oh, no you didn't.
@foolishevil8 жыл бұрын
hahahahaha
@Freakschwimmer7 жыл бұрын
0:45 "Grab my wrist, no my other wrist." Totally sounds like Aikido to me ^^
@eduardorizo82644 жыл бұрын
Freakschwimmer 🤣
@brometheus51833 жыл бұрын
"grab my arm, the other arm, MY other arm"
@vsaminat2 жыл бұрын
Red kwan do!
@MartialMind10 жыл бұрын
Thanks a million for this video
@SwingDARK02 жыл бұрын
hey martial
@sw1rly8012 жыл бұрын
Love your vids, bro.
@teddycahill87332 жыл бұрын
Hey papa
@damien39592 жыл бұрын
@@teddycahill8733 hey😘😈🅿️
@purpsmoke42032 жыл бұрын
8y ago that’s nuts
@enemywithbenefits10 жыл бұрын
I like your bald head.
@RS..110 жыл бұрын
Bald is good :)
@davitgeorge89947 жыл бұрын
Acuity I AM STUPIED BALD HEAD AND YOU HAVE STUPIED BALD HEAD"😂😂😂😄😄😄
@ramonalcantar246 жыл бұрын
Acuity same
@lyaelyo5 жыл бұрын
Yes make me horny
@kkd-ls8sc5 жыл бұрын
he can save money to go hair shop
@mikesharkey73939 жыл бұрын
Doing this in class once, and I actually broke the other guy's ankle. When he was rolling backward we all heard a loud crunch. This technique is dangerous in more ways than I realized. I LIKE IT!!
@lisztresurrected94389 жыл бұрын
White belts are considered the most dangerous partners. Because they don't have a damn clue what they're doing.
@pauljam989 жыл бұрын
Meme Liszt lol thats true
@mikesharkey73939 жыл бұрын
Meme Liszt Yeah,that was about 14 years ago when I was white belt. The guy that got his ankle broken was a purple belt, and was actually instructing me. I did exactly as he instructed, he just didn't know how he was supposed to be standing. Not my fault.
@lisztresurrected94389 жыл бұрын
Mike Sharkey I'm not going to claim anything either way. However, I'm not aware of a purple belt in Judo. Gracie BJJ maybe.
@mikesharkey73939 жыл бұрын
Meme Liszt Yeah I NEVER said I did judo did I? I do BJJ, just like the guy in this video...
@gilianjansen856910 жыл бұрын
A year or 2 back we had two beginners sparring, from standing. It was a normal wrestling/no gi class. The one guy jumped this and broke the other guys ankel. He needed surgery and came back to try the warming up and maybe some ground techniques after 8 months. The guy who jumped it had seen the takedown on youtube and didnt knew how dangerous it was. Good of you to make this video Stephan! I always really enjoy ur vids!
@mrm43416 жыл бұрын
That's when you know you're listening to a true master. No ego. Keep posting your videos please. We learn so much with you.
@MarcusPovey8 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thought I'd offer my perspective.. I train Capoeira, where we use this takedown all the time (on concrete floors... ouch! :/). Ok, so the goals in Capoeira are different, but there are a few tricks I've found to make training it safer: First, if you reach your arm over and grab their far shoulder (as if you were grabbing your buddy for a photo). This locks your partner in so they can't run away, forces you to be more side on and also gives you much more support so that even a fairly small partner can support a larger partner's weight. Second, on entry we tend to break the move into three parts 1) reach the back leg behind the partner first, 2) Land the front leg on the hips and then 3) do the hop. The scissor becomes less aggressive and more controlled - more of a sweep/structure break, rather than a shock load, and means it's easy to bail if your partner is in the wrong position. Thirdly, the safest way to fall from this move seems to be to just sit down rather than to try a twist or role. Again, allows for more control. (in capoeira we do train some nice escapes / reversals for this technique, but they're "advanced" moves and carry some injury risks of their own) Just some thoughts :)
@stevesargy17715 жыл бұрын
Marcus Povey . You capoeira guys are always going down' ?!
@17moners_122 жыл бұрын
woah I never knew you do grappling in capoeira
@ospazivincent97472 жыл бұрын
Yep also practice capoeira and this move is "normal". Especially after a "fake" meia lua de compass and then transitioning into the scissor sweep. This makes that your hand is already on the ground and you have more control over the steps to perform the move. I've done it so many times and never got someone injured. I guess it is the way you enter the movement that makes it more dangerous. Now also started bjj and at one point there was this class about the leg sweep where you enter into the base stance of your opponent ... i could not resist to put my hand down and scissor sweep him... man instructor went nuts on me... don't ever do that again... i don't want to see that in my class... i was like.... euhm I've done this move over 15 years ... nothing special or dangerous about it if I'm doing it ... afterwards he did say it was nice ... but don't do it again :-)
@MrBooboothebear9 жыл бұрын
As an old school JJJ guy, I laughed at the "other wrist" comment. So true (at least for the white belts).
@Seegie168 жыл бұрын
Joe Lauzon used to pull this move off a ton in local grappling tournies back in the day. I remember he got so good at it that we used to train the defense against it in tourny classes.
@systemhexe62967 жыл бұрын
We did this throw yesterday in our JJ training, so I searched it :). I like your explanations and BJJ-Lock techniques. We use almost the same. Thank you!
@paulteti6 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video, we had an instructor who would do this all the time and since he outranked me I couldn't say much. I told my guys the exact same thing that you have said (more elegantly than I could) here in this video, thanks.
@bws20510 жыл бұрын
This is a scissor takedown that is taught in karate, I learned it about 28 yrs ago in shotokan karate.
@ChamorruWarrior10 жыл бұрын
It's in many different martial arts =)
@soundtreks10 жыл бұрын
We use it in Wado Ryu as well as part of our Kihon Gumite
@lococavasa10 жыл бұрын
That's good to know because i am a shotokan practitioner. I see bjj as being Japanese influenced. As much as people scruff traditional martial arts the fact is bjj owns it's roots to jujitsu i.e. a traditional martial art's lol.
@MsPugilist10 жыл бұрын
Exactly correct. I am disappointed at the lack of respect of the lineage. Bjj owes it's roots to jujitsu... The real jujitsu
@lococavasa10 жыл бұрын
The pugilist many people have come to realize this but not everyone can realize this. The gracies owe there lineage to medea.
@dingoleh10 жыл бұрын
A Nigerian did that to me the opposite way when I was playing soccer and my left knee has never been the same since.
@urmom-bk6qp4 жыл бұрын
He should have gone to jail
@gangr833 жыл бұрын
@@urmom-bk6qp why
@bloop43293 жыл бұрын
@@gangr83 it sounds like assault.
@Flokoli13 жыл бұрын
Soccer can definitely lead to some nasty leg injuries
@polus24942 жыл бұрын
@@urmom-bk6qp According to UN international law, Nigerians are the only people allowed to do this particular move.
@DamienZshadow8 жыл бұрын
I used to do this technique all the time but I definitely see the risk involved and only use it against other equally experienced fighters and even then I do it very rarely. Still, I may appreciate this more as a self defense technique, in a real life threatening situation if I am likely to do so much damage. lol Seriously though, I didn't know about that leg lock, usually I find the move clumsy because I can't think of much else to do other than an ankle lock or heel hook. Thank you so much for this breakdown!
@teddyruxbin77699 жыл бұрын
Wanted to say first and foremost.. excellent channel and I find your teaching very helpful and sincere. I agree that this technic is not intended for sparring purposes but should be studied by serious fighters in general because it is stupid affective and it does work. Thank you for posting a lot of my generation learned it from scorpion in mortal kombat 1.lol
@mitchellvirgovic31189 жыл бұрын
Love your vids I learn a lot every time I watch. I've personally practiced this takedown many times and have never injured anyone or myself.
@KingExituS8 жыл бұрын
I need a grappling dummy to master this technique!
@thelurkingpanda36058 жыл бұрын
+KingExituS that would only make it harder lol. get a partner, really easy, never seen an injury in my life
@KingExituS8 жыл бұрын
TheLurkingPanda Yeah, i was just kidding :), new techniques can't be learnt with a dummy. The move is really awesome, i guess it's also pretty effective against heavier opponents!
@lairdriver5 жыл бұрын
Public transit
@mistert79197910 жыл бұрын
This video is both informative and responsible. Make more please :) I wish two things: more martial arts instructors were that way and that I could train at your dojo.
@esmehatcher250010 жыл бұрын
Funny enough I think I've learned a lot of the moves yet learned online. Thank you so much Stephan!! :D
@errcoche10 жыл бұрын
Nice one Stephan. I have thought about that move and wondered why you don't see it done. Now I know why.
@thekingisback47207 жыл бұрын
I broke someone's leg when I showed this to him
@mybuttlookslikeurfac7 жыл бұрын
Fuck dude, that is some savage stuff.
@ayam1maya7 жыл бұрын
Nice? That is not nice. That is retarded. So is sticking a kama in your friend's leg. No remorse. No awareness of what a major fail that is. God help us.
@thekingisback47207 жыл бұрын
ayam1maya it wasn't on purpose of course.
@adamzoubi965 жыл бұрын
@@ayam1maya some dude ruined my ankle with this move and I've been out of training for over a month and it's not funny. If you are looking to compete this can crush your dreams man!
@solidsnake53984 жыл бұрын
Dumb ass fuck
@RamseyDewey10 жыл бұрын
I use this one all the time in sparring. Like any takedown, to avoid injury while training, you have to use control. The worst training injury I ever had was from getting thrown with an uchi mata. I had 3 displaced vertebrae in my neck, almost paralyzed. That would have been way worse than a broken ankle. On a side note, this isn't a legal scoring technique in sanda (san shou), you don't score from any takedown where you follow your opponent to the ground, the fighter initiating the throw must remain standing. You can do it, but then the ref will tell you to stand up and stay off the mat. That's how sanda is here in China anyway.
@remyhavoc446311 ай бұрын
Holy shit it's THE Ramsey Dewey!!!
@dudea33785 ай бұрын
@@remyhavoc4463Jesus Christ it's Jason Bourne!
@sabo74337 жыл бұрын
Very rarely do I see a "youtube martial arts instructor" worth listening to. You sir know your shit. Thank you.
@TheReaperMMA10 жыл бұрын
We learned this in my Kenpo-Shotokan class. Great takedown.
@82Brasileiro10 жыл бұрын
As a capoeira practitioner and teacher; I have grown doing this take down. Like you say good training and supervision makes all the difference. It's very hard to explain, but from a Judo or Jiu-jitsu point of view, the way this technique is applied can be compared to a truck running you over. Practitioners don't know how to jump or get enough impulse to apply the take down. That's why heavier practitioners tend to hurt their partners or opponents. In capoeira we tend to go from the ground up, this helps because the hand it's already on the ground, thus helping keep the legs on the right position. Great video. Oss.
@waldomarek10 жыл бұрын
exactly, if you put most of your weight on the hand that touches the ground, you can have a very slow and controlled "flying" scissors. the only "problem" that's left is the person who is falling has to bring his chin to his chest to not get himself KO'd (basics).
@shirosaki978 жыл бұрын
I had a friend of mine, who had only been practicing Judo for about 2 weeks in some school enrichment activity do this on me, stupid on my end, since I had been Uke for Kani Basami in my Judo practice at a club and I was well aware of the dangers, but I was rash and let him do it. When he tried to perform the move he couldn't lift his leg as high as he should've, so his leg was at my knee where it should've been at the hip and his other leg was lower as well, and he ended up twisting my ankle badly. I managed to somehow avoid dealing any more damage but it left me limping for a good 6 weeks and even now my ankle gets stiff and painful from time to time. Basically, don't fuck about with this move if you don't know how to do it, I've had a good 2 years collective experience in Judo and while I would be happy to perform and relearn many of the moves I was taught, Kani Basami has been one I've steered clear from.
@Downloader779 жыл бұрын
Good show! Entertaining and educational.
@pehunter17 жыл бұрын
Although not used in Karate tournaments, this was one of the techniques that my Karate instructor taught, but we called it a SCISSORS move. Some of the same or similar techniques are taught in different martial arts, but each martial art has its favorite techniques while other techniques are neglected and forgotten because they are not practiced or emphasized, and not passed down to the next generation. Karate also has some throws or take-downs and locks, but not everyone knows or uses them.
@MWCharke9 жыл бұрын
I used Kani Basami as one of my signature moves for years, before it was banned. I never hurt anyone, but I was warned of the dangers and I did the move differently. I was big on foot sweeps and would block the ankle with my foot first and then basically kick the opponent in the chest with the back of my leg. My momentum was in the kick, so I wasn't throwing myself at their leg/knee so I never injured anyone's leg. I could also do it as a thrust kick past their chest, putting the leg in the right position, and then twisting to knock them down. It made for a hard breakfall but that mostly created the risk of getting the wind knocked out of you. One of the keys for safety was keeping your legs wide apart for the technique and staying away from the knee. It probably meant the move was easier to escape that way. There is another move that might be more dangerous. It's kind of a foot sweep. I can't remember the name. We never used it. You basically get the opponent off balance while facing him and then spin him right upside down so he feet are in the air and his head is down. This move broke necks. I saw a higher rank Judoka seriously injure a green belt with it at a tournament.
@SkemeKOS10 жыл бұрын
Liked after watching just 10 seconds LOL!!!
@Dan-gf9xz10 жыл бұрын
This is my most favorite and used takedown that I use for MMA and JJ. I've never thought of it as being the most dangerous or even dangerous at all. In fact I used this take down mostly when i wanted to be gentle. There are some variation's; the one displayed in the video uses the grip on the collar which creates more momentum and possible danger from lack of control. I always like to grab the opponent wrist when using the scissor sweep, giving me more control and distance to work with (Hence im 6ft and have long legs and arms). If you want control focus your efforts on the standing hand, the technique should not depend on the momentum, it already has the perfect mechanism for a take down. Never failed me or hurt anyone, but I do not deny, it can be lethal. Hint hint: Putting the front leg on the chest or neck instead of the lower abdomen with momentum and strength = potential death by concussion.
@minhucnguyen60008 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mr. Kesting!
@Taawak10 жыл бұрын
I learned this while I was training Taekwondo and it has since been one of my favorite throws. We also had one version where you put your leg on the back of your opponents neck and the other on the chest and twist forward which I feel is far more dangerous.
@morvihusjara8581 Жыл бұрын
Que mentiroso por dios
@BW0228 жыл бұрын
We learned it in judo back when it was still legal. They banned it in tournaments maybe five year after I started. It was effective. However, the programs in judo (in tournaments) were... people in tournaments are doing everything possible to not be thrown or not land solidly on their back. People twist, try falling forward, try dropping to their knees, etc. Against less experience judoka... people often would twist and put their free arm backwards to try to avoid being thrown full point. Even with experience opponents, many standing grips could end up with the far arm not free -- either double holds, reaching across, or just caught up from a previous attempt. In such cases, there is no possibility of a break fall and one can easily be thrown straight on your head.Doing this on a 'friend' on concrete... pretty stupid. Lots of other safer throws to impress friends and there are lawns or fields in most places.
@Silverized848 жыл бұрын
yeah, i remember, in that period everyone just tried to grab legs, or stand sideway to don't get grabbed.
@SeasonPlace7 жыл бұрын
Yes, I remember it was legal but our sensei advised not using it because it was dangerous. Our sensei also advised against tomoenage, saying it was a deadman's move. Not only can people get hurt but if you failed with that waza, you were in a position that was very disadvantaged. Another waza that was advised against was kataguruma.
@Silverized847 жыл бұрын
+SeasonPlace They are called dual suicide technique for a reason. we are working on tomoenage this week lol
@johnkaras63845 жыл бұрын
The best judo men ever masahiko kimura R I P..
@gianluigidautilia641710 жыл бұрын
this guy knows the job. great knowledge, great attitude.
@chrisd12 жыл бұрын
it also turns up in Fairbairn's WW2 era combatives. Thank you for this
@pamphlex10 жыл бұрын
"Hey grab my wrist! No, my other wrist!"
@matthewmiller40454 жыл бұрын
negao azul lmao
@bshwkrec.71898 жыл бұрын
You just know he's Canadian the moment he speaks, very nice people there.
@thane13268 жыл бұрын
I'm Canadian, and that's not a Canadian accent. He just talks weird.
@maximilianschmidt38957 жыл бұрын
he is german isnt he ?
@Daniel20107396 жыл бұрын
No that is a rubbed off accent.
@belettedelamort35886 жыл бұрын
lol
@kempoonetwog7124 жыл бұрын
The scissors throw/takedown. One of my favorite techniques ☺
@randompiece68 жыл бұрын
Stephan Kesting , you are fun to watch, nice video.
@angelosmortis30818 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite technique ... i did this a lot with many of may sparring partners and thank God none of them got injured except for the guy i fought in a street fight but its not his foot or leg that got injured but his head from being slam to the ground.....
@normanoro2066 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this. Sorry to hear about your experiences with this technique. I plan to start studying judo soon; however, I'm not doing it to be an MMA fighter or anything. I see judo as a great way to stay active while learning a really effective and time-tested system of self-defense. I'm certain the teachers where I'll be studying know their stuff, but it's good to know this technique is dangerous.
@allenalsop60322 жыл бұрын
Try Danzan Ryu Jujitsu. all the benefits (and tecniques of) Judo plus safe way to practice it all.
@noahgilbert86307 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great video.
@albertmuhe55295 жыл бұрын
Thank you,I have noticed,that technic is super danger,great advice!
@AlexRomanov18 жыл бұрын
I don't think your head is stupid.
@eboyeman84578 жыл бұрын
lol
@nopls79537 жыл бұрын
same ;-)
@M4271N18 жыл бұрын
that training dummy was just minding it's own business
@AikiRooster10 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mr. Steve, great vid, all your vids are fun, do you have one made yet for defense against?
@gsgoltz8 жыл бұрын
Nice job on this!
@Rnt9118 жыл бұрын
We use that a lot in Capoeira, never saw any accident.
@papikcantrell23408 жыл бұрын
+Snake yeah I was just thinking that
@zeeb0nk5528 жыл бұрын
It is banned because of safety reasons, think about it this way: you wear seatbelts but how many times do you crash?
@Silverized848 жыл бұрын
it isn't really dangerous, but in judo competition times ago you basically see only legs grabs and this techinque when your adversary basically stuck sideway
@ZanOGAL7 жыл бұрын
the reason why some people get injuries is because thyey dont know how to counter it so they start bunny hopping
@papikcantrell23407 жыл бұрын
Zani Puppyrhino that actually makes sense, thank you
@mrkiky8 жыл бұрын
2:42 "Anderson tapped out... won the match" 5:20 "my arm broken with heel hooks" lol
@dennisjohansson57162 жыл бұрын
Cool info! Thanks!
@salmanbana86783 жыл бұрын
Been watching him since I was a kid love this guy
@suppasaiyajinlaz48184 жыл бұрын
I was watching the notorious documentary and Conor said this is how he had his ACL torn before the chad mendes fight
@FascinatingMr8 жыл бұрын
I am a former karate practitioner and I will say that this takedown and the leg locks shown here are awesome ! Very good video.
@midnightchurningspriteshaq85336 жыл бұрын
You're a good teacher.
@Defeshh10 жыл бұрын
I've seen and used that in Sanda too. Just pointing out it's not only from Judo and BJJ.
@ryuutobi5 жыл бұрын
Also in silat.
@windtraffic29554 жыл бұрын
And karate
@lastdaysguitar6 жыл бұрын
A few points of clarification: Kani Basami done IMPROPERLY (as you mention "with leg behind the knees") can absolutely hurt people, but when done PROPERLY (with the leg just under the calf muscle), its totally safe. I personally have used it for 48 years in both intense shiai, & randori with zero injuries. I taught this technique properly in my video series in the early 90's and had thousands of students over the years with not a single injury from Kani Basami. The simple fact is that technique has some very specific requirements in entry and leg placement that too many did not discern, or they got careless/reckless and it was banned because it was being improperly taught. I understand their desire to protect from injury but IJF is getting very weird and IMHO making wrong decisions in general with the leg attacks, and in particular they should have instead issued a LOT more Hansoku Make penaties with bad Kani Basami attacks so people would figure out they are doing it wrong. In summary: A good technique that was too often misunderstood and poorly/carelessly executed.
@azeez8399 Жыл бұрын
I had some idiot college kid BJJ practictioner (who probably learned it online) do kani basami to me and caused my angle to invert and give me pain for several weeks. I had to wear a soft angle brace while practicing for weeks afterwards. Tbh I'm glad this move was banned. People nowadays aren't trained properly enough to use it.
@Dimi2rix4 жыл бұрын
I have a quick question, So I am a first deg Black belt in song moo kwan, and for my Second degree I have to incorporate a few self defense movement into our school, and was wondering if you suggest this set of movement for me to incorporate into our school. Thank you,
@Jarrod775510 жыл бұрын
I do this almost every week in training. Awesome and effective throw
@leondelafonte9 жыл бұрын
Saw this happen in my gym, guy's knee was literally caved in the wrong way round.
@jessicaauguste57435 жыл бұрын
leondelafonte yikes.🤤🤤🤤🤤
@JiuJitsuTrashcan3 жыл бұрын
Oof
@dekipantelija10 жыл бұрын
Glad capoeira taught me how to survive that shit.
@jtaylor12110 жыл бұрын
push the hips to the floor
@michaelterrell50614 жыл бұрын
Lee Harvey Oswald lol but no copoeira has this technique in it
@christianjones5333 жыл бұрын
@@michaelterrell5061 they call it tesoura
@michaelterrell50613 жыл бұрын
@@christianjones533 interesting, does it translate to scissor sweep in English?
@orca38943 жыл бұрын
@@michaelterrell5061 tesoura = scissor
@srai19817 жыл бұрын
You're opening line made me subscribe.
@akrocuba9 жыл бұрын
We practice this, however we do it above the waist and use it as a tak down to a lead to a kick to the mid-section or groin. Great vid....thanks for loading.
@BEEDiAMOND-hi2dw8 жыл бұрын
"I have a stupid bald head, you have a stupid bald head" lmao
@ThrashinHD10 жыл бұрын
Scissor takedown to heelhook. Best street self defense ever
@alexanderzeides45434 жыл бұрын
Das ist halt verschärftes Judo.
@sheistersmithevelyn98112 жыл бұрын
Looks very effective! Yikes!! My boyfriend was from hong Kong & knew a lot too! I think its very fun to watch. I am 56yrs. Old now & I would have liked to stay in shape the way they do! And, most importantly, know how to protect myself & possibly others! Great videos!
@DonVHaley8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. Don
@CuriousEarthlings5 жыл бұрын
Got my ACL torn from this move. Crazy effective though.
@muhammadzidanarizki14254 жыл бұрын
"Hold My Bone, No, The Other Bone"
@HomeBizNetworkscom5 жыл бұрын
this is one of my fav techniques. al tho i train in bjj / judo i got my start in classic hapkido. i learned this technique in hapkido and it has ben one of my all time fav techniques. but i have learned that you need to be careful because you can ko people on the way down and get ppl ankles twisted up. I dont train this techniq in a sparring situation, even tho i have in the past. it all depends if the person im training is good at falling and rolling.
@jorgebalarinbenavides21729 жыл бұрын
I'm a long time MMA trainer, an after seeing very bad injured knees with this technique, I forbidded it for ever. Specially I remember one guy that got his knee joint absolutely destroyed (bone out of the socket, broken LCL, broken meniscus, etc).
@Artorias_Grey_10 жыл бұрын
I don't mean to be rude, but I have to disagree with Mr Kesting on this one. This is absolutely not the most dangerous technique in Judo. There are plenty of others that can cause severe injury or death, depending entirely on how they are applied, and how the uke falls. If you know how to do a basic back fall without allowing your head to smash into the ground, then kani basami is a fairly safe and smooth technique to fall from. Personally, I think tai otoshi is far more dangerous, as it has a very high possibility of destroying uke's knee and/or smashing his head into the ground. Tawara gaeshi, sumi gaeshi, or tomoe nage can easily send uke's head smashing into the ground, again depending on how the throw is applied. If you are a good training partner, you will allow uke the safety measures necessary to let him roll or fall safely out of a technique. Honestly, the danger of a sport technique comes into play when it is executed in an unsafe manner. Almost any Judo throw can be slightly modified to cause severe injury or death by preventing uke from having a safe path to escape and roll or break-fall. However, I don't recommend testing this theory.
@bambooswordsman110 жыл бұрын
When people refer to this as the most dangerous move in Judo, they are usually referring to the fact that more people were injured because of this throw than any other move.
@BR4D2THEBONE9 жыл бұрын
It's funny he was talking about the heel hook because that is a very dangerous move. Just it isn't a judo move but still he used it and it can be very dangerous for the guy on the receiving end.
@jazzcama9 жыл бұрын
I fully agree with you, Steve. For me also the Tai Otoshi has far greater damage potential. (Any Otoshi technique for that matter, as they are designed to pile drive someone into the ground with his spine flat on the ground.) As far as the demonstrated technique injuring so many people: I see this video also explaining that one of the legs should go behind the knee? My sensei (I have a classical Japanese JiuJitsu background) has explained to me that this makes the training injury rate go up dramatically. Chances increase the feet remain standing on the ground (resulting in ankle injuries) or your partner's legs just fold, not throwing him backwards so much as more making his knees buckle. Legs fold, your leg is between his legs at knee level. Knees just get ripped apart. The explanation I got was to let the leg sweep over the floor and sweep him of his feet at ground level with one leg, and indeed at hip level with the other. (As an added bonus it makes the throw a lot harder and gives it a better success rate as well.) Interesting to see it explained this way, by the way. So please don't read any wise-ass 'we know it better' words in my comment. We are all martial artists here. There is no better or worse style. I have the utmost respect for each and everyone of you.
@Darthsikk9 жыл бұрын
Fordo JR someone is teaching you well at your school, household or both that you came back with that edit. Also, I agree with you, in Muay Thai there are several takedowns I learned that are, on one hand not so dangerous (everything in martial arts is dangerous to some degree, so take that assessment in relativity); yet if you modify them enough they immediately become lethal. That however is not how the technique is taught or intended to be performed, therefore even though the potentiality is there for lethality or great harm, the modification makes it "not the standard technique", while you can modify a hooked rollup to essentially be some sort of "rolling DDT" that would certainly maim or kill anyone you applied it to, the adjustment makes it something other than a rollup... at the risk of becoming overtly redundant... this means to say "you could kill someone with that takedown, if you did this, that, and the other thing" you're not talking about the technique in question anymore by the time those modifications are applied. I.E. the hooked rollup is not lethal. Neither is a sling shot by the way, until you put a nail in the cradle.
@Artorias_Grey_9 жыл бұрын
jazzcama Thanks for all of the respectful responses and interesting opinions. Of course, every instructor is going to teach a slightly different variation of technique, so it really depends on your personal experience as to how dangerous each technique will seem to you. For me, in the way my instructor presented the "original" Kodokan style tai otoshi, there is a good chance you can hyper-extend uke's knee if you leave your right leg straight (assuming you're in right-standard grip and you are throwing uke over your right hip/leg) and his foot gets stuck to the matt. This tends to happen when you pull uke's balance onto the front foot as you enter for the throw. The easiest way to ensure safety when applying tai otoshi is to keep the trowing leg bent and lower your weight to the ground, this pulls them down with momentum rather than leverage against the knee. Of course, almost any technique can be modified to be safe or dangerous depending on its execution. My point is, in an actual randori situation where you are facing a resistant opponent, it's easy to accidentally fall into a dangerous situation with tai otoshi. I say this because the same scenario has happened to two people that I know personally inside of our organization. In fact, it happened to a very well-accomplished instructor during a testing student's randori demonstration. Maybe I'm biased because I've actually seen it happen, but I definitely believe that tai otoshi poses a noteworthy risk to be aware of.
@patrickjunior93424 жыл бұрын
Cung Le did this move all the time in kickboxing.
@perrypack23104 жыл бұрын
I want to learn judo and bjj now. Nice vid!
@thecribwherealltalentsarea600810 жыл бұрын
loved the intro!
@mikegee54899 жыл бұрын
@smokes161-2 out of 3 fights do end up on the ground and much of it is pummeling the other person unfortunately. BJJ and its ancestor, jujutsu, and derivative, judo, allow those trained in the form to disable aggressors faster with certain COMBAT proven techniques
@profd659 жыл бұрын
mike gee BJJ came out of judo; it didn't come directly out of jujutsu.
@skylinefootball10 жыл бұрын
I was training in a bjj class and someone broke my leg with this move.
@rivertrash98626 жыл бұрын
Chonan vs Silva is my favorite submission of all time. Came out of nowhere in a fight he was losing against arguably the greatest ever.
@taomajick10 жыл бұрын
Did it once in a wrestling match in highschool...got 2 points for the take down and 3 for a near fall. good stuff, good stuff.
@truebluekit7 жыл бұрын
strangely enough, in competition silat, aka silat olahraga, this move is thrown about like there was a fire sale ir something..
@back2basegym7296 жыл бұрын
truebluekit tru
@rantingswede34718 жыл бұрын
5:20 did he say armbroken by heelhook? xD
@Raumance8 жыл бұрын
+Amadeus Nordström If you have killer heelhooks you can anything with them. Armlocks, chokes, neckcranks, knockouts, you name it, the possibilites are endless.
@stanhootzz19045 жыл бұрын
Nice work, thank you fer the share.
@ghostdog43305 жыл бұрын
Looks like a good technique to know about.
@killuagato68877 жыл бұрын
this movement is illegal in judo
@alexanderzeides45434 жыл бұрын
Der Wurf Kani Basami und der Beinhebel sind im Judo nicht illegal. 😎
@janzugic67984 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderzeides4543 what
@tomashansen5374 жыл бұрын
@Daniel MG 3:30
@Xpistos5102 жыл бұрын
@@janzugic6798 He said it's not illegal in Judo.
@aikighost9 жыл бұрын
I like how you diss traditional jiujitsu and then show a geunine jujitsu technique. You FUNNY. ;)
@JuanHiribarren6 жыл бұрын
Not only that, in the end he says that this technique should only be practiced on a super controlled enviroment or with a dummy... just as the wrist techniques he talked in the traditional jj :/
@jjs38905 жыл бұрын
@Siddhartha RC BJJ comes from judo. Which is jujutsu made safe for sport. So...related but different.
@jjs38905 жыл бұрын
Typical ignorant statement. BJJ fans are on a desperate mission to try and debunk anything not sport.
@davibourne38565 жыл бұрын
Juan Hiribarren Wrislock throws, supplex, leg locks, calf crush, wheel hooks, knee bars etc... Are very advanced techniques with high degree of chances of injury. Teachers avoid do it on BJJ because many people would get injured therefore leading to less student retention. This is why they avoid it unless you want to become a competitor or reach purple to brown belt level because by the time you reach this level it means you are able to control your strength and have no so much ego.
@benrichards85778 жыл бұрын
I was looking this up to show a friend of mine as we both geek out about the various martial arts training we do. :) I learned this takedown in kung fu, but I agree, it's very dangerous. When we practiced it, we had to be very careful and controlled. You could easily concuss someone or worse if they land wrong. But it's so effective, I'm not surprised to see it in other martial arts curricula as well.
@fartsare20238 жыл бұрын
Thats a badass technique. and a cool leg lock in the begining.
@bryanhurley63039 жыл бұрын
All "takedowns" can be dangerous when done "incorrectly" (from a judo perspective). The judo maxim of "jita kyoei" (Mutual Benefit and Well-being) illustrates the importance of safety in the sport (and art) of judo. Kano-sensei explicitly modified deadly jujitsu techniques and fashioned a rule-system that promoted the safer techniques (points for landing opponent on back). Poor or badly-timed application of any technique will lead to more injury than the application of "banned" techniques usually do. Kani-basami is a wonderful technique that, unfortunately, was involved in some major (politically speaking) injuries (as pointed out in this video). The banning of Kani-Basami in competition has led to a reduction in its teaching, and thus a reduction in expertise (on average) among judoka. Less expertise leads to more injury (per capita) when people do try to use it. If there is a spectrum of dangerous techniques in judo, kani-basami definitely exists in there. I'd argue that o-soto-gari is a much more "potentially dangerous" throw than most. A non-trained uke will undoubtedly hit his head, while the power that is developed in the throw is massive, and is directed entirely at the point of impact on the floor (as opposed to rotational energy in a seoi-nage or uchi-mata). My father (and original judo Sensei) attributes his Parkinsons Disease to decades of o-soto-gari impacts, where even as a highly trained uke, he could not avoid hitting his head every time. At least with Kani-basami, there is a level of physical skill required before you can even attempt the technique (an athletic threshold, so to speak). How many people have sprained their wrists (for example) improperly posting their hand to the ground during kani-basami? O-soto-gari is taught to every white-belt in their first week of class. So we, by default (in judo and karate, etc...) are taking any old idiot off the street, and arming them with a potentially deadly weapon. The up-side is, in my experience, most of the average idiots quit before they can develop the technique (and thus power) to make it a life threatening attack. Long-story short, this video is good, and it discusses an important technique and its dangers, but don't let yourself be fooled into thinking that it is the most, or even the only, dangerous throw in the sport.
@colinlouk9 жыл бұрын
I love how you said Kano-sensei. Very few people understand that this the correct way of saying it. Like my shihan, I call him Linebarger Shihan instead of Shihan Linebarger. Kudos to you and thank you for saying it correctly.
@Artorias_Grey_9 жыл бұрын
This is very well stated. I agree completely, all techniques can be very dangerous, especially when placed in the wrong hands.
@GhostxMenace2 жыл бұрын
A Perfect uchi mata is prob more dangerous
@cameronforbes26492 жыл бұрын
I like this analysis. I've definitely smacked my head had on the mat from Osoto-Gari! Also yeah, I had a Sambo guy do this to me once in training. He had complete control the whole time. Proficiency does lead to safety, but we still need to have conversations about this technique because people will always imitate what they see. It's the people who jump into this without proper control that hurt people and ruin the move for everyone else.
@gekiryudojo10 жыл бұрын
that one is now straight in my repertoire! I am only interested in destroying my opponent. no games.
@haccoon8 жыл бұрын
Glad I watched this. Been training the tesouro de costa in capoeira for years and never knew that it was banned in other martial arts. Now that I've been training BJJ for awhile I'll be sure to not use it.
@ghiblinerd61968 жыл бұрын
But in capoeira, one hand stays on the ground while you do it so there's little danger of having your body weight mess up someone's joints. Trust me I've been tesoura'd many times.
@LaRziii110 жыл бұрын
yo, where did you get that doll you threw at the start? that would be awesome to use for judo traning!
@TheHm310 жыл бұрын
Can I use this in wrestling?
@mariolmonzon10 жыл бұрын
yes
@davehummel352110 жыл бұрын
No...it is a cutback and has been banned in HS and NCAA competition since the early 1990's.
@TheHm310 жыл бұрын
Dave Hummel NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... :( I'm doing Judo in the off season and I saw this and thought I could use it with a wizzer :\ I was gonna be the coolest kid in the team with this!
@natedepigeone10 жыл бұрын
Its a bad idea in wrestling, it would just turn into a wild scramble for top position that the other guy will probably win
@TheHm310 жыл бұрын
***** How tho? If it works in Judo it should probably work in wrestling. I mean you can hit it from a whizzer as shown in the video... it's whatever it's illegal anyways.
@simonburgers24038 жыл бұрын
I am 14 and I learnd it in my judo class but we can`t use it .
@louisayers34778 жыл бұрын
I'm 14 and we learned this a year ago in my Ju Jutsu class XD
@simonburgers24038 жыл бұрын
haha lol but you can't use right
@simonburgers24038 жыл бұрын
* use it right?
@louisayers34778 жыл бұрын
+Simon Burgers Ju Jutsu is self defence so I *think*it's in the syllabus still. However I wouldn't be surprised if it was taken out. We call it: crab claws scissor kick too
@louisayers34778 жыл бұрын
+Simon Burgers But we wouldn't use it in Randori, Kumite, etcetera
@cjshardcorepunkmusicvault84742 жыл бұрын
I always found the scissor takedown was more effective and had a better base when the front leg was slightly higher and the back leg slightly lower. Which if done simultaneously swept the legs and slammed the back into the ground. But overall not a technique one uses very often, usually only in very rare circumstances. I had an instructor when I was a young teenager who taught an unofficial class to certain students. It was a blend of Hapkido, Wing Chung, Karate, Aikido, Judo and Ju-Jitsu. Very unique and was directed more toward street fighting and less of traditional training received in the dojo. Those styles are quite divergent but can be combined into very powerful and deadly tools to add to your martial arts expertise. My main training was in Wing Chung and Judo.
@Kickboxingathome9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for alerting me about the dangers of this throw. For me, its all about injury prevention! If I train this technique during sparring, I'm just going to alert my partner and slow-mo it. I had no idea this one could be so dangerous.. it looks very harmless.
@matthewbartke44248 жыл бұрын
So, this is a fantastic self-defense move?
@bhadbitch8 жыл бұрын
In a street fight there's a bigger chance of the victim dying, because they don't have enough experience with falling and shit
@Raiden40198 жыл бұрын
+Matticus Barticus I would advise to keep this technique in you back pocket as a last resort for the reason that you're falling down with your opponent (hip/ass first) as you're doing it, and you may get injured just as much as your attacker on the concrete. Maybe if you're on grass or soft dirt? I dunno, but just something to keep in mind.
@paulperc30478 жыл бұрын
Kyricolossus And the concrete and other hard surfaces in the street.
@Raiden40198 жыл бұрын
***** Not everybody is a cowboy.
@Raiden40198 жыл бұрын
Depends on the leg lock. You can still do a kneebar or just twist their foot past the point of rotation. Boots don't stop you from doing that. (Literally JUST tried it).