The Most Hated Transformers Toy

#transformers #toys #transformersg1
Being the second Transformers toy ever designed didn't help this Transformers G1 toy in the eyes of the community. Either you love it for what it really is or hate it for how it was presented to you.
If you like today's video, I think we could make it a series of going back to these hated toys from Transformers History.
ToysDownUnder
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[@RosencrantzxGuildenstern]

I'd love to see a Missing Link Ironhide, it'd be either hilariously blursed or the most jaw-dropping, awesomely subversive feat of TF toy engineering ever.

[@tarnsanders259]

I mean if you could engineer a head and a way to movie the shoulders up, it might actually look fine, but the question is if that's considered changing too much of the original design, I do hope they tackle it though, I really want to see that now

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I'm curious where they go with Missing Link. I kind of think Jet Robo / Starscream would be next. I think given the price, they'd prioritise big characters to hook you in, then go for obscure or disliked toys.

[@rakhmathadita3917]

my thought exactly, i wonder if they have the guts to make it missing link version

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I'm curious if they get to 1986 or just stick to Diaclone and Micro Change. Hot Rod and Cyclonus are really loved toys.

[@RosencrantzxGuildenstern]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder Oh man, a Missing Link Hot Rod would be so cool! IMO the OG toy is already one of the best G1 carbots to begin with. That said, I'm willing to bet they're already at least breainstorming an ML Ultra Magnus based on Optimus.

[@omegasupreme1970]

you also forgot to mention how easily Ironhide and ratchet broke...

[@Dontcareaboutoffending]

They did? Never broke one I ever owned. Mirage, Datsuns, Megatron, yeah, never a vanbot.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I don't think they're noted as being easily broken. Mirage is the big one from 84, though I think Wheeljack and the Datsuns break pretty easily.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Mirage is pretty notorious.

[@JOECURR1488]

​@@SGD_ToysDownUnder*EXTINCTION DINOBOT COMBINER* WATCH 😮

[@nujevad28]

This would've been the perfect candidate for an upgrade to a headmaster. You can have both looks, while still retaining the diaclone play features.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Tow-Line did the Nissan Van play-pattern amazingly well during Energon, but wow does a Headmaster suit the original concept well. It's real genius, I wish we got it in Titans Returns!

[@ericheckenkamp6091]

I recently learned that Bumblebee does not turn into a VW bug. He turns into a Penny Racer toy car! You'll never unsee it.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Yep! I mentioned that in the first Megatron video too! Love that toy, my childhood G2 Bee is still on my shelf.

[@SourRobo8364]

My boy, he had a rough childhood, but grew into a true hero.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

SS86 sure was a loved toy, stark contrast to the conversations surrounding the original.

[@andrewrichards312]

There are some things worth unpacking here. Firstly that hole in the crotch isn't weird, it's weapon storage for the turret on the battle sled. It's something I only stumbled upon when I got curious a few years back. Yes that means that Ironhide and Ratchet do in fact have underslung weapons in vehicle mode. What I've learned over the years, and Blaster (specifically his gun) was my first lesson with this, is that if an early Transformer has some weird hole in it, it probably served a purpose in Diaclone, microchange, et al, which wasn't carried over into the Transformers line. It also means that Ironhide was the earliest example of a Transformers figure mold, which featured weapons storage in vehicle mode. Given the mold was only the 5th Transformers figure mold to be created, it shows that weapons storage, and especially functional weapons storage, in an alt mode, occurred far earlier than meny transformers fans might have realised. Secondly, the play value in mech mode is far better than than the pilot merely riding in what is essentially a precursor to an AMP Suit in Avatar - both the Launcher and the turret feature cockpits for Dianauts, while the readout screens which line the sides, allow for additional play options. If you draw a parallel between Dianauts and Minicons, then this is essentially the oldest ancestor of Armada Optimus Prime. Thirdly, I think you misunderstood what I was saying about MC-18. I wasn't merely saying that the head for Ironhide came from MC-18; I'm saying that Ironhide ORIGINALLY WAS MC-18. We know that at some point, the decision was made by Hasbro to make the Autobots cars, and the Decepticons devices, military vehicles and weapons. However we know that there were other design choices at play and that not all of them would have come after that. Now bear in mind this is pure speculation on my part, but Occam's Razor lends credence to what I'm saying. I believe that in the initial stages of planning out the rebrand and amalgamation of the line, not long after 1983, there were a few initial concept character outlines for different toys, back before creative efforts were filtered out by marketing execs about what toys "will shelf-warm" (air quotes intentional on both sides of the argument). For example, robots who turn into jets are going to be soldiers. A robot who turns into a cassette player and robots who turn into tapes, will naturally be paired together and will serve in the roles of communications and intellegence gathering (storage media literally collect data. However what about a van, a family vehicle to get children from a to b screams out security? Transport, sure, but security????? However a robot which turns into a padlock - well that absolutely screams out being a robot whose role is security, as it LITERALLY secures things as its function. To that end, while the name may not have been ironhide at that time, I am saying that it is almost certain that the red and black security robot that we came to know as Ironhide was originally MC-18 in its entirety. Another thing which I think backs this up, is if you look at not only the head, but the rest of the body of the animation model of Ironhide, the design silhouette matches up perfectly with how Bob Budiansky would have stylised the design of MC-18 for an animation model. I think these designs were done as part of a marketting pitch - not every single member of the 1984 cast, but enough of them for a proof of concept. So what do I think happened? I think there were 3 things at play here. The first is the decision for the Autobots to turn into cars, whilst the Decepticons turned into devices. Additionally, the warmer colours, the reds, the oranges, etc, as a rule, became the Autobot colours, while the darker and colder colours, such as the blacks, the purples, the blues, etc, tended to become the Autobot colours. Even the decision to give the Autobots blue eyes and the Decepticons red eyes, matches up with this. Additionally as a bad guy, how much of an evil cool factor does a padlock have, besides next to none. Guns, and jets are a no-brainer. A camera and tapes to spy on people with, sure. But a padlock? I think what happened was that Ironhide the toy wasn't originally on the list to be a Transformer and MC-18 was originally meant to be the Autobot Security chief. However when marketing stepped in, plans changed and they needed another toy to fill the slot. I think the Onebox Cherry Vanette was sitting around unused and it was decided that the animation model for MC-18 would be completely reskinned from the neck down, into what we now know as Ironhide, whilst retaining MC-18's head. The added bonus of this of course, was that it gave them either a working animation design, or a far better animation design, than what might have existed for the Onebox Cherry Vanette Ambulance, which we now know as Ratchet. While we may never get a definitive answer, this strikes me as the most likely scenario for how we wound up with the animation model and toy design for Ratchet, differing so wildly. One other thing, whilst Ratchet and Ironhide might be the most hated early G1 toys out there, I believe any assigning to them of the worst G1 toy ever is misplaced. As someone who owns both MC-21 and G1 Blaster, I can unreservedly say that the worst G1 toy ever, in terms of how the original Pre-Tf toy was handled, is none other than G1 Blaster by a country mile. Not only did they gut the incredible working radio gimmick, which is amazingly executed, but they even removed working switched and dials, when in some cases, all it required was using a plastic part that was already there on the toy - the tuning dial next to the tape deck being the example of this. Meanwhile the gaping hole in Blaster's Electro Scrambler, which is designed to work with a crystal radio earpiece, was never filled in, despite the crystal radio earpiece being removed. In fact if you have a crystal radio earpiece with a 2.5mm plug, it will combine with the gun of any reissue of G1 Blaster, to this day. Meanwhile Blaster gets a free pass, when it should be thoroughly panned as a mold reuse (in fact it should be considered a cheap knockoff of MC-21 in comparison - no matter how officially licensed it might be), whilst the Onebox Vannette mold cops nothing but hate because Hasbro chose to cram a square peg in a round hole, with their choice of mold usage for certain characters. Make it make sense.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Mate, I really like your comments. They're long, but they make you think. Sorry for taking nearly a week to get around to this, but comments can be time consuming and I try to get to everyone. I was aware of the gun going underneath for storage, which the TF release doesn't mention btw, but some things have to be omitted for pacing reasons or I forgot to address it later in the script. I saw the seat in the battle station, but assumed it was just a central one for the weapon to be manned. Truth be told, I've never handled any of the 84 Autobot Cars. I own every other 84 mold, just never got around to the cars. But yeah, I see the evolution to the MiniCon play pattern. MicroMasters too. A few people brought up HeadMasters and that really does feel like the first evolution of the concept. I didn't misunderstand what you said, it's just for pacing reasons it was better to mention it rather than dwell on it. I'd like to actually push harder on it on a video where it is the core topic as honestly, I agree with you. I did as I was writing the video and looking at the images. I was on Aaron Archer's stream yesterday and he's pretty open with the idea Transformers was thrown together and not meant to last. You go into the body shape of the cartoon model later on, I do think that has a resemblence to both toys, which is another reason I said 'influenced' rather than was, but yeah, it's just a case of replacing the sticker from the padlock with a windscreen and the design is converted. I had assumed presumed shelfwarming would have been the issue. Possibly price points and how the toys were shipped to stores playing into it too. I don't think the van is "cool", but potentially an easier sell than the padlock. I think that's poor judgment, but leads me to question how play testing responded in 83. MotU is pretty notorious for Mer-Man nearly being cut because of a poor response from play testers, maybe the play testers for Transformers didn't like some of the Micro Change toys? This feels like the reason for Reflector ending up as a redemption offer too, rather than a proper release. The logic on Ironhide is really sound. When I was brainstorming video topics, before the channel even started, I was going to go with the angle of how does the van suit the character. Not just a people mover, but a van an electrician or plummer would use. Of all the 84 and 85 cars, it's probably the least impressive, but from a character standpoint, the lock makes way more sense. I was looking into the Decepticon Cassettes, since Rumble in the cartoon has arms like Scope Man. It really strikes me that only Buzzsaw, Laserbeak and Ravage fit the themes of Soundwave. The two Micross toys feel decidedly not in theme with Soundwave, like they were edited from something else to be about the tapes. Going back to my thoughts on play testing, we all know Soundwave is a super popular toy of 1984, maybe he had some influence in what molds were chosen. I do see your point on MC-21 / Blaster, but I think it gets by on how good of a conversion it is from MicroChange to Transformers and how popular the MC-10 Cassette Man play pattern is. Yeah, MC-21 can't really do that to my understanding, but Blaster can. I think of all the action features of G1, the cassettes are up there with combiners. Working radio is more unique and interesting though, but it goes back to my point on Soundwave's popularity. I know it was normal to gut gimmicks, but Blaster had considerable retooling that was unusual for the time. Hey, you might be able to answer this better than anyone; do you know the origins of the 85 MiniVehicles? I know 84 is mostly Mysterians, but I'm wondering if the 1985 MiniVehicles were the first "real" transformers or holdovers from MicroChange. They all seemingly share design traits with a singlular piece for the feet, bar Beachcomber.

[@andrewrichards312]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder Just a brief heads up before I respond, I'm severely Autistic (formally diagnosed), so I may be approaching things differently in my communication than you might be used to. When I was making comments on the video, I was referring to the argument made on screen, which you acknowledge was a product of the cutting room floor, figuratively speaking, omitting arguments you'd considered or framing responses to what I and others might have said in a certain way, from end product of the video. However i think the great thing about these sorts of discussions, as you've noted, is that it creates scope for a single video to turn into a miniseries. As for the Mysterions, it turns out I'd fallen for a red herring, just as you have. When you mentioned Mysterions, I automatically thought you meant "The Mysterians", a 1957 Japanese scifi movie, which it turns out, isn't the case. It turns out that the source for Mysterions is a Jim Shooter blog post, which reads: "They [Knickerbocker Toys] called their toy property, based on technology licensed from a Japanese company, the “MYSTERIONS.” ". The phrase "based on technology licensed from a Japanese company", strikes me as interesting, as it suggests that this was a case of reskinning a different property on one or more existing toy lines, which is exactly what Transformers started out as. A couple of other points in there that I note. Shooter states that after the Mysterions pitch failed: "So, we all shook hands and we Marvel types drove back to New York. Mike Hobson guessed that some kind of company shakeup was going on. The next day we learned that, just before our meeting, Hasbro had announced that it was acquiring Knickerbocker. Shakeup, indeed." " Then he goes on to state: "Some months later, the Hasbro exec who was Marvel’s main contact, Bob Prupis, came to my office. He pulled a few toy vehicles out of his bag and proceeded to open and unfold them into ROBOTS. They were bigger and much more complex than the Mysterions. Different Japanese technology, same general idea." I think you and many others have fallen for a red herring here. It's clear from the wording that "Japanese technology" refers to existing line of Japanese toys - or rather the engineering which underpins them. What I suspect is that the Mysterions toy line was actually yet another example of an overseas toy company licensing either Diaclone or Microchange toys - specifically they licenced the Microchange Pennyracers from Takara in this case. When the pitch was made to licence them, it tanked. Around the same time, Hasbro acquired Knickerbocker, complete with a dud of a rebranding pitch for a a subline of a Microman subline. It might also explain why, despite the 1983 Tokyo Toy Show essentially having toy robot fever, Hasbro execs were instead going to look at a remote controlled car there. After all, if the rebranding options are a dud, why go back there. However what seems to have happened, going by Shooter's descriptions, was that it was possibly in fact the Diaclone toys, rather than the Microchange toys, which inspired the initial idea, rather than the Microchange Microman subline. It would also make sense if the Microchange toys had some bad optics attached to them, due to a failed pitch, from a failed toy company which they'd acquired. All this suggests that the Jim Shooter blog has unintentionally been a red herring all along and that these were in fact Microchange toys from the getgo. As for MC-21, I've got to disagree with you completely. I don't know if you own one of them or have seen one of them up close, but I'm lucky enough to own a boxed one (I was lucky enough to have a "summer job" doing customer service work for TAFE at the time and only paid something like $250 for one) and so I could be coming at things from a different angle to you. I honestly think that Blaster gets by on a mix of nostalgia and ignorance from most fans. By ignorance, I mean that people don't miss what they don't know and that Buster Jones did a great job of making the character iconic - as did Marvel Comics stories which featured him as the centre protagonist, as late as the Underbase Saga. I don't know if you know this, but MC-21 does have microcassette interactivity. They sealed it up on Blaster, but on MC-21, there is a door on the figure's back which opens up to store a single Microcasette. However at the risk of making maybe too strong an argument here, I have to call BS on every single argument which claims that MC-21's electronics had to be gutted to make Blaster work with MC-01-MC-03, or if you want to get more specific as of 1986, the Autobot tapes. The only thing stopping Blaster from fitting microcasettes into his tray, is a, I think it's 2.5mm but would need to check as it's not in front of me now, audio jack (the same type of audio jack on smart phone headphone cables) protruding up from the base of the cassette tray. All they needed to do, and it would have required far less remolding and retooling of MC-21 to pull off, would be to redesign the tray and audio jack, so that it was mounted on a 90 degree swivel hinge, so that it could be sticking up when the tuner block microcasette was inserted, and retracted when transforming microcassettes were inserted instead. Apparently though that would have made too much sense. As for the other Minicars, the 1985 lineup were almost certainly unreleased Microchange toys. We know for example, that at least 1 triplechanger was never released, that Diaclone toys would see initial release in Transformers as late as 1987 and Microchange toys as late as the late 1990s. One of the most profound examples of figures to hit after 1985 of course, was the unreleased Jizai Gattai Diaclone subline, which sadly reduced what that toy line could have been it was all kept intact and integrated when imported into Transformers (ie making the Stunticons and Combaticons also Autobots and actually making use of the third modes of combiner torsos as modules for Metroplex, which they're designed to be).

[@ryvyl]

I have never had a issue with the mold. As someone who prefers toy accuracy to animation accuracy, I thought the toys were pretty good. Still do. There's a lot you can do with them that you can't do with, say, SS86 Ironhide or Ratchet. And I like those too.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I think a lot of the fandom prefers the cartoon accuracy, but I'm with you for the most part. Yellow eyes Prime, toy head Bee and toy Megatron do a lot more for me than the animation in terms of design. For the Van, I really think if I tracked one down, it'd have to be Diaclone over Transformers. I'd need those pilots to properly enjoy it.

[@ryvyl]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder Fair. I know, if I had had the option when I was a kid, I would have chosen the one with the little dude as well.

[@grog3514]

I have the new ss86 ratchet and it's extremely good.

[@warmachine9846]

When I finally got Ironhide in the 80s I thought I was missing parts because it didn't have a head until I noticed the stupid sticker at that point I was really disappointed

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Yep. I can imagine that happened a lot. Hasbro should have sported for an additional clip on head or something.

[@scooterjackal]

@@warmachine9846 same! 🤣🤣

[@MaximumTechnological]

I really would want detailed video going over why cartoon models deviated from the toys. Like one pattern I noticed is eye color change with Optimus, Soundwave, Perceptor and Blaster from yellow to blue and red. And why the helicopter triple changed never became a transformer.

[@mrsamaritan6881]

The optic colors (i.e. eye color) is easy to explain. It's the same reason why in all the old westerns all the good guys wear white hats and all the bad guys wear black hats. The Autobots all have blue optics because they're the good guys and the Decepticons all have red optics because they're the bad guys. Little kids can tell which of the many MANY characters are either good or evil by their optic color.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

@mrsamaritan6881 answered some of it, but many can be answered by what I said in the video; simplification for animation or a source other than the final product being the basis for the model. Broadside falls into this heavily later on. As for the Microchange and Diaclone toys not in Transformers, I'm not sure anyone from Hasbro was ever asked. It's likely just a case of things not fitting what they wanted for the brand. You'll notice that Perceptor and Blaster aside, they pull back from Micro Change hard in 1985. I wonder if by that point they'd already realised the limitations of "Itemformers".

[@goldenltd1970]

It was mostly for easier animation, but many decisions are really hard to understand, yes. But look at the gobots cartoon, they draw them like the toys, and then look which brand has a 40 year anniversary 😉😉

[@MaximumTechnological]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder Makes sense to me, same why the train combiner are never used by Hasbro. But the helicopter/jet triple changer I would want an answer. I totally would like to see new toy of that in legacy representing Diaclone universe. I can see it being retooled into Cyberverse Whirl right away.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I totally agree and it's surprising they haven't introduced it proper, yet go back to Whirl and Roadbuster occasionally. I mean, I know Roadbuster and Whirl are going to be someone's favorite, but they are nothing characters, while HeliJet has an interesting history. I know it's in the comics under several different names though.

[@choostopher5018]

I hate that thing as much as I LOVE the SS86 Ironhide

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I never bought the 86 mold, but it looks pretty darn good compared to the Siege / Earthrise toy.

[@SourRobo8364]

​@@SGD_ToysDownUnderHey Siege was a good figure.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Hate to say out, outside of some very specific cases, not huge on the Siege aesthetic. Hoping to get around to DK-2 Guard though, that'd be my first time with the mold. The channel has really gotten me interested in checking out all the Earthrise molds I skipped due to having older iterations of the characters just to have the Diaclone colours lol. Spin-Out / Cordon is the other one I want to get around to.

[@soulcraft_84]

I got Ratchet as a kid, and was totally in denial about it missing the cartoon head. I kept on double checking the box!

[@GPS_DS]

Man, I’m sorry! Did you ever get a normal Ratchet when those started coming out?

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

lol! I could imagine that happening.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Depends on how you define "Normal". It's either Botcon, Universe 2.0 or very recently with Earthrise.

[@GPS_DS]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder I just define normal as just, a toy of Ratchet that looks like the character from the cartoon.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Then that'd be Botcon, the re-use of the Energon Tow-Line mold.

[@SicMetalMaggot4life]

Can’t help but think it would’ve been a more reasonable decision to just keep Ratchet and Ironhide as mech suits and just have two human characters with the same personalities. I mean, if you can have Spike, Sparkplug, Chip, and Carly…then some human characters could actually directly participate in the fighting, which I imagine would’ve pleased a lot of kids.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

It's actually a really interesting idea, but I think it's hard to execute brand wide. It'd have to be something in the brand bible used in both the animation and comics, which would necessitate a single human character to be in both. It also flies in the face of the brand identity Hasbro and Marvel were going for; Robots in Disguise. It's possibly something that could be returned to now and executed very well, rather than something from the time.

[@SicMetalMaggot4life]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder Depends on the era of G1. Remember that later G1 had the Nebulons as organic homies filling a somewhat similar role to pilots (though that’s more true with the Japanese continuity). That being said, that’s a fair point. I do wonder if perhaps it could’ve worked as a way to have cross-toy compatibility by having the human characters riding in the other Autobots…until I remember that would make them seem too much like piloted mecha. Funnily enough, that was the same issue faced by the Beast Wars Transmetal II characters. Plus, given just how different the cartoon, comics, and other media could be, that’s a fair point. At the very least, it would have been interesting to have seen the two figures recast as characters with those weirder drone-ish designs, yet still I’m glad with the actual characters we got.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I was more talking in the context of the preproduction of G1, when the molds were chosen and characters written by Bob Budiansky. That's when I think the decision to use the Nissan Van mold in that way would have needed to be put in stone. Someone mentioned both would have made fantastic Headmasters and I totally am on board with that idea. I really liked what Tow-Line did with the concept, but this would have made an absolutely fantastic Titans Return toy. More missed opportunities of Prime Wars I suppose.

[@andrewrichards312]

See that's your problem; much like with my thoughts of of "why didn't they just modify the audio plug mount in MC-21 to pivot 90 degrees in the tape tray, so that they could retain the electronics AND add microcassette play features", you're suggesting something that simply makes too much sense.

[@themadatheist1976]

Only saw one at a babysitter's house I can't remember if it was Ironhide or Ratchet.

[@ratmouth]

I had Ironhide as a kid. I absolutely loved that toy, even if it didn’t match the tv show. Pulled all of my G1 toys out several years ago, and he’s still one of my favorites. 🤷‍♂️

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I'm curious from a Transformers perspective, what exactly about him did it for you? The battle station?

[@ARCWuLF]

In early 1983, I witnessed my first transforming toy -- a dune buggy in the GoBots line code-named "Buggy Man." Later that year, I began to see advertisements on TV for "Diakron" (the American name for Diaclone) three vehicles that transformed into cars. I got one of them for Christmas that year (DK1, the Lamborghini Countach), but I never got the pickup truck (later released as "Trailbreaker") or the van. So when the Transformers line finally came out in 1984, my first Autobot car purchase was Ironhide. I loved that toy, and I never regretted it, not even for a second, because I had some Diaclone figures to put in his cockpit, which was awesome. Thank you for posting.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Everything is going to be someone's first or favorite. Even toys that are pretty disliked like the Nissan Van, others are going to see a lot of entertainment value or interest in them. How you are presented the toy matters a lot too. No problem, I enjoyed making it. I think given the well of topics, I'll be making Diaclone / Micro Change videos for a while lol.

[@mtgcardzandreview2756]

Ironhide and Ratchet were fine in their vehicle mode, but they're transformation to robot was just goofy looking. I can't remember if I every got either of them as they weren't on the top of my want list.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

A few people that grew up with G1 have mentioned seeing some of the originals in box and putting them down. It'd be interesting to find out who are the more plentiful G1 toys, the ones kids bought a lot of.

[@dvandal674]

I just wish they’d release the original jetfire again.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Does Bandai put out the Valkyrie still? Probably the closest you're getting.

[@Rexerman89]

"Iron Hide and Rachet were horrible! Megatron was a bit gay too, but.....:-/ !"

[@Dontcareaboutoffending]

Never hated the mold, not once. I actually loved the van mode and the bot mode, while not toon accurate in any way, i still liked it. The sled was cool to me. I even bought the Encore reissues when they came out.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I think it's a thing if you can appreciate it, you'll like it a lot. I do think the toy had a lot of potential and just needed a bit more work to properly adapt, but it's not the only Diaclone toy that could have used new parts / modification to be better used in Transformers...

[@crispincain1665]

Would have been interesting if, in the show, they weren't Ironhide and Ratchet, but humans in mechsuits using their tech.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

A few people said that, but it really wouldn't be on brand with what Hasbro was trying to achieve. I'm really sold on the idea some said in the comments about them being Headmasters though.

[@RedRanger2001]

Within the release of the Encore reissues of the Nissan C20 robots, the company BestToys made the heads for Ironhide and Ratchet.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I think I've seen those before on TFW2005 or Seibertron.

[@ultramaximusreviews]

There are 3P upgrade kits that sit into the seat of those figure and finish off the top of the robot to make it look more accurate

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Pretty sure there would be 3D prints available now too.

[@IAmSciFiX]

I just kept hearing "the missin' vanette", "the missin' vanette". I'm like, well, where is it? Took me a while to realize he was saying "the Nissan (nee sahn) vanette".

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Australian accent.

[@blackmaggot5046]

My friends and I always thought Ratchet and Ironhide were solid, easy to add into adventures, and well-designed, if a little goofy and disappointing size-wise and by comparison to the cartoon character. If you want to talk about hated models, we had Megatron, who had to stay as a gun because he flopped all over the place as a robot and Trailblazer and Hound who immediately flew into pieces despite the most delicate care one put into transforming them.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I don't have that issue with G1 Megatron, but now I'm iffy about buying a Hound.

[@blankblank6214]

Just wait till we get a missing link version

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

If we do. I would assume, unless they have an absolutely mind-blowing toy in mind, it's a very long way away. I'd assume Jet Robo and the Datsuns would happen sooner. Or maybe Cassette Man since he'd need little work.

[@arctrooper999]

I got Ironhide and Ratchet in '84, and I'm not saying I'm special, but in the late 70's my dad was stationed in Okinawa and for my 6th birthday sent me what was called the Microman Surveyor One. So I understood that Micronauts came from somewhere else, and then I got those first 3 Zoids from Tomy, so things like the little cockpit of the crane in Prime's trailer and Ironhide/Ratchet I kinda understood. When I opened Soundwave and saw the copyright 1974 Takara imprint I wondered what took so long lol.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

The 74 copyright relates to Microman, not the Cassetteman toy specifically, but yeah. I do have to wonder if the pilot seats and cockpits in the Diaclone toys tipped anyone off that these were repurposed toys back in the day.

[@arctrooper999]

​@@SGD_ToysDownUnder thanks that makes more sense now. I love learning something new everyday 😊

[@PeeNCee]

I remember when my friend got them and I looked at em and though "r u serious?" I thought he already broke them

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Hard to take seriously in the Transformers context, huh?

[@raynekraven]

that toy should never have been released without the pilot

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Probably shouldn't have been chosen for Transformers in the first place. It doesn't adapt well.

[@user-xf2tl8ee3c]

I never knew this. Would have been great if Ironhide and Rachet became headmasters

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Been said a bit in the comments and it's something I absolutely agree with.

[@user-ik9kt1gm6z]

I always thought that G1 Ironhide and Ratchet’s heads should’ve been a separate piece that could’ve set on a peg. It would’ve meant they would’ve had to make a small adjustment to the mold.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Not the only toy that should have been adjusted for the Transformers release too.

[@joerodriguez8519]

Great video!! I’m sure them being so disliked as toys contributed to their demise in the animation movie!! I’m glad I have my SS 86 version of both!!

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Nah, the movie was all about selling those shiny new 1986 toys. Clear out the old to make way for the new.

[@LitClubMember]

This isnt G1 Wheelie

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Wheelie's not a well-liked character, but his toy is a perfectly fine mini vehicle. Kind of creepy face though.

[@jimhuber]

So Ironhide and Ratchet were the first Headmasters... (till they weren't)

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Both should have been Headmasters in Titans Return. Fit them better than Soundwave and Blaster.

[@omegasupreme1970]

I would say Wheelie beats both ratchet and Ironhide..though those two did suck

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Wheelie's toy is fine. Pretty standard Mini-Vehicle.

[@paulwood1790]

80s was a mixed bag we get names like slag and spazstic (which quickly got taken off of the shelves.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Spastic is from 2011's Power Core Combiners though, not G1.

[@CB-ke7eq]

I was lucky enough to find that Diaclone red vanette at a flea market in SW Ohio as a kid in the mid 80s. There was a vendor there who sold a lot of imported toys from Japan/HK/Taiwan. Loved how it's scale and pilot could play well with my favoritest toy ever - G1 Optimus!

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

That is a great find! Still got it and more importantly, the pilot?

[@CB-ke7eq]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder Alas, I was one of those dummies who unloaded their 80s toys in late 90s. Now I'm forced to relive my childhood vicariously through KZbin. My loss is your gain. 😄

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

@@CB-ke7eq I'll always be thankful my mum never forced me to do that and I never went through that phase.

[@animeking1357]

I'm someone who would've hated to get figures with no heads as much as I do love piloted mech suits. My Studio Series Ratchet and Ironhide look dang good on my shelf though.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Yeah, I'd think SS86 and the MP do it for a lot of people who aren't fussed on the originals.

[@peterparker6584]

Quick little tip those binoculars that turn into a robot we're sold here in Canada and packed into the Transformers line if need be odds are I can dig them out and take a picture I got them as a kid I forget if mine are damaged or not but I'm about 75% sure they're in among the Transformers on shelves in the back room. I've got a collection of 200 or more Generation 1 Transformers and before somebody whines they didn't make that many start factoring and stuff like where they made multiples with different colored plastic not to mention I've got some of the really Oddball rare ones that were technically knock offs like I have Godzilla Grimlock. There was a variant of Grimlock that turned into Godzilla from a robot I'm not making it up dachlan I think was the ones that released it and they were sold here locally. One that I got is missing part of the tale of memory serves me. I lost track of how many they released in the generation one line between many cons Headmasters and all sorts of weird obscure absorbments that didn't actually have their own cartoon to ins. I even have some of the battle beasts which they tried to shoot into Generation 1 LOL I didn't know the battle beasts were part of Transformers till I got a DVD box set a few years back. I thought a piece was missing from Ironhide all this time where he's got that whole where his crotch would be I didn't know it came that way Factory

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I've read about the Pre-Transformers making it to different markets, but it's interesting Canada is one of those markets. How is Scopeman as a toy? I'm familiar with the Godzilla Grimlock bootleg. I think it's the same line as the dragon Sludge with the wings? Yeah, I didn't mention it in the video, but the crotch is actually the first instance of weapon storge. The Van's gun goes there.

[@peterparker6584]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder The Ironhide that I have is actually made up of multiple parts that I acquired. I thought for a long time I was missing the head till I found out his head was just a sticker and I've often been tempted to get ahead from one of the other Transformers and glue it in the seat in front of the sticker;). i rebuild a lot of them from parts the binoculars are kind of a lackluster Transformer and I remember being confused they were in the show I think the binoculars are even in some of the advertising material whether it was a consumer's catalog or actually in Transformers catalogs that came with the figures. I'm sure you're familiar with the camera that turns into three separate robots there was a crap ton of variance of that Transformer sold here in Canada. The helicopter that turns into a giant cassette tape was sold through consumers as well as a few mom and pop stores I had a black cassette and a red cassette that turned into vehicles but I don't know if I still have them or if I sold them back when I had an ebay account sold a lot of stuff on eBay at one point where I had multiples like four and five of some Transformers and at that point they were going for really high prices. There's a really rare version of Bumblebee that I might have had and sold where are they all look alike to me apparently there is a version with a little circle stamped in part of the plastic or diecast with a little logo on the circle copyright Mark or something like that and it's a pretty rare version of Bumblebee. I've got sea spray still in the original package. Guy at a yard sale flea market type thing apparently had 30 or 40 Transformers in the packages that had been found in a storage locker and he only had one left guy literally said somebody bought all of those and missed that one and I'm shaking my head when the guy says I must have had 30 or 40 of those weird looking robots. The guy was in his 60s and had no idea what they were. He had several boxes of unopened Transformers from Generation 1.the package isn't in a one condition but 15 years ago it wasn't exactly common to find a generation one in the package even on eBay back then. I eventually got to get all the pieces from Beast Wars in one place and see which ones I have enough pieces to put together. I used to randomly get pieces of Beast Wars Transformers all over the place because they're like Lego blocks where they come apart with ball sockets. They eventually abandoned that design after a couple of waves I think when they got into that transmetal Transformers Beast Wars most of them were not done with ball socket design. Most of my Transformers I got as a kid at thrift stores and yard sales and now and then one here and there for like birthdays and Christmas. Believe it or not they were way more expensive here than they were in the US. You also had a lot of places like consumers and little mom and pop toy stores that would get the stuff from Japan in the original Japanese packaging a lot of toys we had sold here at smaller Outlets were in complete Japanese packaging with no English writing. So we got a whole lot of stuff like the original Voltron and a lot of toys that didn't even have cartoons here there were all sorts of toys that were multiple robots that combined into a big robot kind of like Voltron. As an example I have a mostly diecast lying that turns into a body part of a bigger robot robot was made up of a spaceship a lion and I forget what else that turn into a big robot. GoBots was another hodgepodge line that some of the toys from goldbots were actually stand alone and got merged into the goldbots line when they got brought down here to our side of the fence. There was a squirt gun as an example and a robot that turns into a hunting rifle they were merged into the goldbots line from other toy lines. I've got a really weird transforming robot that's not a Transformer or a cobot and never been able to identify it I still own it. The thing is quite large for the day it turns into a blue and yellow and black eagle and from the eagle form it turns into a big robot about 14 inches high. The robot that turned into a pair of binoculars was kind of gimmicky if memory serves me little Chrome pieces were prone to break off real easy an it didn't have much movement once in robot mode

[@scooterjackal]

Ironhide was my favourite character in the cartoon so I picked this toy out for my birthday when I was 7 or 8. I was confused after transforming it to robot mode because I couldn’t find the head! I was so disappointed when i found out the robot mode was a half-arsed piece of red crap and I regretted picking it out to buy. 30 yrs on I’m much older now and it still pisses me off when I think about it because I was duped! 😂. They never should have sold it as Ironhide.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

It's likely the mold was used over the padlock because Hasbro has always been more focused on cars and jets over items. I guess their initial play testers didn't see Soundwave as one of the best toys of 1984 the actual audience did, so they tried to get away from the idea.

[@GPS_DS]

I feel really bad for any 80’s kids who were watching Transformers, and wanted to get toys of their favorite characters, Ironhide and Ratchet, only to go to the store and see these weird, headless mech shells.

[@SourRobo8364]

Would have traumatized me as a kid. Glad we have actual Ironhide and Ratchet figures these days.

[@DireTribble]

Yep. I was one. Big regret asking the parents for Ironhide.

[@rowlandp6314]

I got these to try complete the collection back than, ugly and hated them.

[@GPS_DS]

@@DireTribble Man, I’m sorry, for you and them. Hope you got a real Ironhide toy when they came out.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I rewatched a lot of S1 prior to writing this video to refresh my memory since I haven't seen a lot of S1 in ages. I'm gonna say it, I can't imagine them being anyone's favorite. The show seems more interested in pushing Prime, Hound, Mirage, Bee, Starscream, Soundwave, Rumble and Megatron than anyone else early on. Even Wheeljack gets a decent push. I was actually shocked how little energy they put in Ratchet, Ironhide, Sunstreaker, Sideswipe, Jazz and Prowl, but I get it from a writing perspective.

[@thelatman9397]

I disagree. I loved both Ironhide and Ratchet - yeah they were nothing like the cartoon but Ironhide was one of my favourites. Funnily enough he died whilst I was playing with him and snapped into bits in the middle.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Ouch. My BW TM Megatron met the same fate. Loved that toy, the Armada Predacon just wasn't the same. But on Ironhide and Ratchet, I'm sure a fair few people did and I honestly think the toy gets an unfair shake. Here's a hot take, I like a rather disliked toy. I like Armada Sideswipe. It's action feature was exactly how I gave my G2 Bumblebee a "dragster mode" as a kid.

[@cujoedaman]

I wonder if they'll make it into the 'Missing Link' line :D

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

If they can do something absolutely mind shattering? Probably sooner rather than later, but I'd wager toys like Starscream, Prowl and Sunstreaker would be done first.

[@RialVestro]

I'm sure you could find other toys that are even more universally hated if you look beyond G1. Cause some of us are aware that Ironhide and Ratchet were meant to piloted mech suits in Diaclone and it's actually the cartoon that's inaccurate to the toy not the other way around because the toy came first, There's the Action Masters toy line that is universally hated by everyone because it's a Transformers toy line that don't transform. There are designs where the animation model was made first and the toys we designed to look like the animation and still managed to fail at doing that. How about Rodimus Prime. It's one of the first toys actually designed specifically for Transformers. The animation model was designed first before the toy which looks nothing like it. It's a character most people hate And the figure only has 2 points of articulation which granted a lot of G1 toys didn't have a lot of articulation but when the figure doesn't look good and is a huge downgrade from the toy it's suppose to replace. I actually like Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime and Hot Rod and Optimus Prime are both better toys than Rodimus Prime.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Beyond G1, sure and I do intend to get around to them. I mentioned my intent to make this a series if this one did well, which it did. I have more Ironhides to cover, but only one I genuinely think is a bad toy lol I'm not sure Action Masters, or my personal whipping boy, Pretenders, can really be called the most hated part of the franchise now. We've grown accustomed to non-transforming Transformers and people ask for toys of both Action Masters and Pretenders. Ironhide and Ratchet still get a lot of heat because honestly, people can't appreciate them for what they are, Diaclone, which is a big theme of the video. The Rodimus Prime thing comes up in a video I'm working on, but it's very much generational. If you grew up after the fact, where Rodimus was an established character and the film was out before you were born, the vitriol isn't there. The younger generations are much more receptive of the 86 cast than the original kids that experienced it in real time were. The toy seems more glossed over now than hated too. It wasn't meant to replace Hot Rod though, but supplement. They are from the same assortment after all. I do get not liking it, it's too simple, but as someone who didn't experience it in real time, I can't say it's any worse than say Scourge. The only real stand outs from the 86 assortment are Hot Rod and Cyclonus for a reason. Hasbro really should invest in a new Cyclonus mold.

[@cabbitkisser2620]

as a kid in the 80's i never had ratchet. but i did get ironhide for Christmas

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

How did you feel about Ironhide when he was new?

[@TheNedSupreme]

Love the looks, super cute😎✌️

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Thank you!! 😊

[@t238]

you forgot to add... "Any version of Megatron which is a Tank in fact anything thats not a Megatron g1 gun is......" to the title mate.....

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Yeah, nah. Animated Megs is pretty well loved, so is TLK. Cybertron, Armada and G2 have thier fans.

[@user-xw2hz9fp9q]

Takara toys were always weird. Is Floro Dery who fixed the toys by designing the cartoon representation of each character.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I wouldn't say he fixed them, but he made the iconic ones we remember today. Truth be told, till I looked it up, didn't know he worked on S1 and S2. I'd only heard his name in the context of the Movie and S3.

[@user-xw2hz9fp9q]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder from Megatron to iron hide, he fixed them all 😉

[@itsme-notyou]

Count me amongst the opposition. I love the mech suit presentation. That was the main thrust of all robot toys in the pre-TF early 80s. It didn't bother me that the show looked different. Ironhide was an extreme but none of the other characters matched either. Megatron was probably more distracting to me.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

That's actually interesting you'd find Megatron more distracting. I really like that toy, despite what I think my video on it leads people to believe, is it that the toy has a much more heroic face? He's super likeable and if it was legal for me to own one, MP36+ was something I'd want.

[@Mattydo9000]

I like the vehicle modes better.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

It is a nice little van toy, yeah.

[@Mattydo9000]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder It sure is.

[@lotsalube]

It would have to be the original ironhide/ratchet figure with no head, in my opinion.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

A lot of people take that perspective and it's easy to see why.

[@NebLleb]

At least it's not Titanium Megatron.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I don't think Titanium Megs hits quite the same way. It's an off-beat sub-line Megatron, not mainline and the original.

[@natef15]

I assumed my brother's was broken and missing parts but yeesh, guess not.

[@nintendoconvert4045]

It better be Blurr…

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Nah, Blurr's alright. Provided you have the shield though.

[@garthdavis4320]

They should've added heads instead.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Not the only G1 toy that needed Hasbro to invest in new parts for the Transformers conversion. That topic comes up in an upcoming video actually.

[@ryanmcmahon3555]

I don't know where you got that unicron reformat back screen but you need to make a 10 hr version of just that.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I made it from some other footage I found. Was meant to just be an 80s feel background, but yeah, I see the reformating scene. Thanks!

[@ryanmcmahon3555]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder pls make a 10 hour of just that it's so relaxing.

[@ryanmcmahon3555]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder to be clear I also love your content but that back ground is awesome.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

lol We'll see. Specific colour? I have Blue and Purple, been considering Green and Red.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Thanks! :D

[@miggedy1]

Wasn't Ironhide supposed to be a mech suit? The head is really the seat

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Not in Transformers, but the Pre-Transformers toy, yeah. Hasbro just put a sticker over the seat and called it a day. "Kids are dumb, they'll buy it" I would guess was the rational.

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

I still think Animorphs Tobias, Beast Machines Nightscream, Prime Airachnid, Titanium Megatron, and even Legacy United Sludge are all WAY worse than these guys

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

The thing is that most of those toys don't mean anything to anyone and aren't anything notable. Legacy United Sludge? Do you mean SS86? First I heard of it being bad.

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder nah the studio series is great. I'm referring to the core class that even for it's size (also it's more expensive than the other core classes which is extra fun), is ungodly terrible. I'd say that while most of those figures are pretty obscure, prime airachnid is especially bad considering that it's the only in scale figure of the character, who's a major villain from one of the most popular transformers cartoons, so her awfulness especially stings.

[@goldenltd1970]

Ironhide was pretty 86 movie accurate

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

In pieces and without a head?

[@RobertPierson-en3sp]

Through the whole video, I thought he was saying, "Missing vanette". I kept thinking, "what is he saying that's missing?", until I realized he was mispronouncing, Nissan as "missing". Nissan is pronounced (Nee-sahn)

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

That's how Nissan is pronounced in Australia. Kind of like how no one pronounces Aldi in its proper German.

[@yunoyuluvit]

No, it's pronounced "niss-ahn".

[@randallphobia8698]

I had Ratchet, & he was my least favorite Transformer. I remember thinking that he needed a pilot behind his windshield.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I can see them being someone's least favorite, definitely. In retrospect, it's curious that the Takara reissues didn't include a couple of Diaclone Pilots, maybe cost was an issue.

[@davidsirmons]

Yeah, they finally got the Ironhide/Ratchet travesties corrected in some of the modern toy lines. God, they were so cheap and ugly.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Took them a long time to be able to get it right in normal lines though.

[@pacershark452]

If it's not POTP RODIMUS PRIME, I don't want to hear it. I hate that thing with an ABIDING hate.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Honestly? I really enjoy that toy and what it's going for. Way more fun in terms of play value and action features than Kingdom.

[@pacershark452]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder You can't be serious. Restricted articulation. Massive backpack. Sorry quality control. Subpar paint apps. It almost made me HATE the hot rod figure forever. Until the studio series 86' arrived.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

My priorities are different. I like toys more than display pieces and adore the evolution play pattern of the PotP Leaders. It's fun having them go from base form to super form, like Powermaster Prime or Ultra Magnus. Wish I didn't pass on Optimal Optimus, but I bought both decos for Prime and Rodimus. I really like Kingdom Ultra Magnus too :D

[@Pyrofromteamfortress2official]

at least we have ubgrade kits for them

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

That's true. Probably 3D print them now.

[@AlfredB12dude]

Peak video

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Thanks! :D

[@boogerman908]

Wow it's literally 1984

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

lol, first person to actually draw attention to it.

[@Razalonjrt1]

OMG yer those tow were terrible use of the toy's mould yes it was good in Diaclone but for Transformers they should used something different, I also wich they had used that Triple changer Helicopter I think he would of been a great Autobot to help them even the play field to have a bot who can fight in the air like Powerglide. Some of those cartoon models look alot like you said the other Diaclone moulds. I even think for Megatron the other would of been a better choice as he looked closer to the cartoon.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I agree on the triple changer. It's interesting how it and the Trains are literally the only Diaclone toys missing from US Transformers. Trains are easily explained, they don't sell well in the US, but the the chopper feels like it'd be fine. It's not a bad toy or unfitting or anything.

[@JOECURR1488]

WHEELIE DONT DARE SAY HE ISN'T

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

HE ISN'T. He's a bog standard Mini-Vehicle, nothing remarkable beyond the old guard disliking him in the cartoon.

[@djhaynes99]

That’s true, as a kid I didn’t hate him at all. It’s adults watching the cartoon now, and finding him annoying.

[@Byrdstar6423-un3me]

And I thought it was GI JOE titanium series Megatron

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I don't think anyone really cares about that toy all that much beyond KZbin videos. I might get to it eventually, but I think Ironhide and Ratchet mean more to people.

[@DenverStarkey]

they shoudl ahve gone back to the drawing board on iron hide anbd ratchet .. as the toy looked Nothing like the cahracters at all except in vehicle form.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

That's now how G1 was done. It was a reuse of existing toys, the best they could have done would have been retool the molds or add to them. That said, they should have added to them.

[@DenverStarkey]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder well yeah i lived it dude .. Me my brother and our cousin jason had a ton of the transformers , we all had optimus prime, only i had Megatron because toy gun laws changed in the US like a monmth after his release and his toy got canceled. but my cousin ahd the most , and quite a few of them me nor my brother had. and out of the three of us onlyu one of us had Iron hide and ratchet .... My cousin of course.. and of all the transformers he had that we didn't have those were the only two we didn't care to play with when we visited him. they were jsut shitty in looks and didn't feel worth their cost. even back then.

[@gejamugamlatsoomanam7716]

"Such heroic nonsense"

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Noooo.....

[@bairdduvessa]

I bought the hobby heads for mine

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Do those sit behind the windscreen or above?

[@bairdduvessa]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder behind, over the seat but the heads still pop up. Still looks awful but it is an improvement

[@user-ej8wh7dc1u]

My brother had a 1979 Datsun 280Z, which were a few Transformers, Prowl was one I think. A blast to drive!

[@TheNich29]

Ironhide is the worst transformer of g1

[@SourRobo8364]

Toy wise, yes.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

But also a pretty good Diaclone release.

[@JaguarCats]

Eh I still say the transformers that combine to turn into a camera is even worse.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Being a redemption offer meant it wasn't widely distributed. Not enough Reflector around for anyone to have a big opinion on it.

[@Gripen1974]

ASs swede i didn't have so much problem with ratchet and ironhide for the cartoons was only for rich ppl with satellite tv so the cartoon look wasn't the default look and early marvel comic used the toy look. Also robots didnt need to look humanoid for the most popular robots f the time wasn't humans as exempel R2-D2. so i think if they had been looked as the toys in the cartoon so would this been a none issue.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Completely divorced from the media, I could imagine the toys are a bit easier to take in. But didn't you have Diaclone and Microchange with the pilots up there like Italy did?

[@Gripen1974]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder yes we had diaclone and microchange also but as a kid i never connected them with transformers. it was weird for then we had store surplus of them repackaged as transformers later so weird colours of g1 one transformers was a thing, it didn't help that hasbro even put out transformers toys in none canonic colours it is how i got a red tracks and a yellow trailbreaker, which is the diaclone colour. so without the cartoon was it easy to accept the differences.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Well, our regions are what showed Transformers still had legs for precisely this reason. If it wasn't for the 1992 toys doing well on the merits of the toys alone with no media tie in, we wouldn't be here today talking about Transformers.

[@superpaul79]

I like your dog.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Thanks! :D

[@mcqueensbiggestfan7669]

I mean they are the first transformers they had to work with ehat they had

[@90lancaster]

Bullet Bike is worse.. and even he has rubber tires. There is a lot of really bad stuff people discount or forgot too. the Kids meal Rhinox is a notebly bad one too but the Burger king ones were often much worse than even that was. One could argue that the "worse" could be looked at in other ways entirely say for example Legacy Blitzwing for having 2 of his 3 modes that suck.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Bullet Bike?

[@stevegiles9080]

That why you get the master piece version

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Sucks for people wanting an Ironhide prior to 2016, huh?

[@stevegiles9080]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder I've seen a few good ironhides and Rachet g1 style

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Toon or toy?

[@stevegiles9080]

@SGD_ToysDownUnder master piece version of g1 seen reviews on channels here transformers them with heads in robot form wow

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Yeah, but that doesn't help anyone from 1984-2015. That's why I was a bit confused by your comment; the context of the video is 1984, not current day.

[@LRon-ef7ni]

This is cool within the Diaclone context but as a standalone TF? Thumbs down

[@diosoth]

Only "muh cartoon accuracy" fanatics hate this toy. Because the cartoon was such a high set of standards...

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

Oh yeah, you're absolutely right, but that's far more of the fanbase than I think many realise. MP wouldn't have gone in the direction it did if that wasn't the case.

[@javiersantanaaviles5885]

Weel not every Transformer can become a legend

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

True, but I don't think there is a toy quite this controversial till like the Nissan mold till the mid 90s with Injector. I need to buy an Injector for the channel me thinks...

[@yunoyuluvit]

Utter rubbish! Ironhide and Ratchet are superior to all of the post-movie toys.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

You really think the nissan vans are better than Hot Rod and Cyclonus?

[@yunoyuluvit]

@@SGD_ToysDownUnder Absolutely! They epitomise exactly what the 'Robots in Disguise' were all about. Hot Rod and Cyclonus and 95% of what came after, aren't anything in particular, just some 'futuristic' plane, or car type thing. Hardly a disguise and, ultimately, little reason to transform. Most importantly, the toys were fun. The robots had something to interact with included with it, which you only really got with the larger, more expensive ones. Yeah, Hasbro cheaped out on their heads, but it's not the toys' fault that they drastically changed the animation model. Many of the cartoon representations only partially looked like the toy. They're of their time and come with a charm, which got lost as the line went on, and I'd fight their corner every time.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

@yunoyuluvit Former Hasbro Exec George Dunsay, a man pivotal in the creation of the Transformers IP, took the same position.

[@Pyrofromteamfortress2official]

For me the worst figure ever in transformers is earthirse Cliffjumper

[@SourRobo8364]

Really? That's your worst figure ever? I can think a so many more off the top of my head.

[@SGD_ToysDownUnder]

I'm not keen on that mold myself, but yeah. Not even in my radar for a worst transformer. Maybe Perspective End would put it on that list lol.