The most often missing attribute of God in progressive Christianity

[@G.H._bunny]

Great explanation!

[@triciasisson3718]

God's love is directly tied with obedience. If you love me, you will obey me

[@triciasisson3718]

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments

[@AS__704]

God's love encompasses discipline and anger. Slow to anger but he does get angry too... God's love encompasses so much. The problem is that ppl don't research into what and how the Bible was written. Linguistics and grammar do matter. God never promised and easy road but we are to walk in faith and lean on God and His Word. We need him. If we could do it ourselves we wouldn't need God.

[@robertdouglas8895]

You hold onto and justify your anger, so you expect God to do the same.

[@laurenkwarren]

I’ve been really enjoying the Unshaken podcast with the two of you!! 🙏🏻. Thank you for all that you do.

[@kristimoke9408]

“In human beings love is a quality, a high prized virtue. In God love is his identity.”Brennan Manning Love is not an attribute of God but His essential nature. Therefore all attributes including justice must reflect and be consistent with that nature.

[@triciasisson3718]

If their is no obedience to God, you are not walking in love

[@kathrynmcauley4808]

Wonderful! I am so relieved to hear people speaking of the real gospel! Jesus is the spirit of truth!

[@connorpusey5912]

Hey Alisa, have you heard of Jinger Vuolo (formerly Duggar) and how she came out of the legalistic sect she grew up in and went through a sort of “reconstruction” or reorganization of her faith? She’s recently come out with a book about it all and it would be amazing if you could do an interview with her. It’s a subject that strikes close to home concerning “deconstruction” and separating from misguided or false forms of Christianity.

[@ranahall9000]

I'm reading her book. Its fantastic! She uses the term "disentangle" rather than "deconstruct".

[@brittany141]

Thank you for speaking about this. Many people want to just talk about the love of God and not the holiness of God.

[@bringemyoungpbuh4123]

One of my favorite books if "Holiness of God" by R.C. Sproul.

[@chardo24]

Sproul is a heretic.

[@crystalhaataja304]

@@chardo24 no he isn’t. And if you’re going to make statements like that you need to provide evidence to support.

[@chardo24]

@@crystalhaataja304The God they are talking about is not God. Fear, doubt, guilt,, worry, and control are not from God.

[@bringemyoungpbuh4123]

@@chardo24 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Every time a human sees an angel, the first words out of the mouth of the angel is "Fear Not". Why would that be necessary if the people are not afraid?

[@crystalhaataja304]

@@chardo24 I don’t see any scripture

[@mr.matt-attack8405]

People just want parts of God ( love, protection, provision) instead of the fullness of God.

[@kathrynmcauley4808]

This is truth! Without holiness you will not see God!

[@curtisfloyd5942]

Very good video.

[@annierudy6275]

I love this explanation of wrath.

[@robertdouglas8895]

People who don't forgive hold onto hate and expect God to do the same.

[@crystalhaataja304]

Hey Alisa, could you please release your singing of When I Survey the Wondrous Cross as you sang it in American Gospel: Christ Crucified? It is SO lovely, I can’t find it anywhere on KZbin.

[@kellyschroeder7437]

Where does the Bible say progressive Christian. How have they forgotten that we are made by Him/Christ alone and we do not make God in any way, shape or form ??? 💞💙🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻✝️🙌🏻

[@cynbahati]

Have progressive christians ever met parents? Parents love their children fiercely but will discipline and feel anger when their children wrong them. Why would God be any different? Isn't God worthy of our love? God's love language is obedience and repentance but if we don't do that, why do we think God should always be loving? I love what you read... "God is wrathful because of love!" It's a love we can never understand. But God deserves our love too and we should strive to make him happy lest we get his wrath!

[@StageWatcher]

Sadly, many progressives view parental discipline as an expression of hatred. We are in an upside-down culture that removes children from the authority of parents and tells them that whatever they want is right. They are taught that their carnal desires are their identity, and that anything that opposes those desires is unloving. I would say that it is ironic how this progressive worldview actually fosters great hatred towards people who are genuinely trying to help them, but I think it's clear that this is by design, not coincidence.

[@robertdouglas8895]

It's impossible to love God and fear and hate, too. "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love."

[@danapratola]

Who are humans to decide who is worthy of being God?

[@dentonhahn2907]

What do you mean? No one is worthy to be God, God is Spirit.

[@imago9059]

Confusing....🤔

[@robertdouglas8895]

We are created in the likeness of God. When we forgive, we become what we have always been.

[@raptureready519]

God doesn't send anyone to hell or inflict pain on anyone. He simply respects and honors their choices. He hasn't created robots. And we are all responsible for our choices.

[@robertdouglas8895]

If that is true, Jesus never said, "" “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

[@tonyaradcliffelovell2487]

Excellent

[@TomoLamp]

youtube should make their search engine better, im an athiest and "repenting my sins" or whatever wont put me in your religion

[@Delgen1951]

yes, if you repent and accept the gift of God, then it would. That is all it takes. Faith is Trust in God and Jesus, but as you are in your own words an atheist and do not believe in any God (that is have any trust in God) then it would not, But as shown in the NT disbelieve is passive (not active, just there) But unbelieve is active and is also shown whenever Jesus asks someone "Do you believe?" they will say "Yes Lord I believe, help my Unbelieve" and Jesus" said Go in peace your faith has saved you." Jesus can and will respond to that request, if asked in truth he will not reject. And in truth is the key, you can lie to me, you can lie to Google, but you can not lie to God.

[@TomoLamp]

@@Delgen1951 its a book mate, a piece of entertainment

[@crystalhaataja304]

@@TomoLamp according to who?

[@TomoLamp]

@@crystalhaataja304 and according to who can it be used as proof that the universe was created that way, according to who is science right, nobody knows anything so its better to not follow anything

[@smithey311]

You might was SUPPOSED to "accidentally" come up on this video.

[@nikokapanen82]

Have you noticed what this Yugoslavian theologian did? It goes always the same way. To justify God being wrathful, he had to bring up the worst atrocities imaginable, where hundreds of thousands of people were brutally tortured and murdered. Yet who can justify God being wrathful to the point of burning you alive day and night without rest when you are not a murderous psychopath who is responsible for thousands of people being tortured and murdered, when your worst sins were watching porn, some occasional dishonesty, some minor stealing and that are pretty much it? So the problem of God's wrath is still unanswered, it is still on the table, it is still a mystery what is really going on.

[@WendyWzOpinion]

I think the problem is that we (humans) struggle to understand the way God sees sin. Sin (any sin great or small) has one thing in common: it separates us from God. There are only two options for a human-toward God or away from Him. Sin turns us away from God…even small sins. (See Isaiah 64:6, John 8:24 and Romans 3:9-26) We only seem to understand wrath in the light of “atrocities” but to God, all sin is choosing to turn away from God, bringing us toward wrath. That’s why salvation through faith and trust in Jesus Christ is so beautiful! He takes the wrath we keep turning toward so we don’t have to receive it. Like a shepherd redirecting wayward sheep. And because we love Him so much for that work on our behalf, we try in our flawed human way to obey Him and keep turning away from sins (of any size) and moving toward God instead. That’s what the word repent means. Doing an about face away from our sins, atrocious or not, and moving toward God instead. Atrocities are merely an illustration we can understand demonstrating God’s holy, just (and therefore loving) nature.

[@nikokapanen82]

@@WendyWzOpinion It does not explain why burning a sinner in flames of fire forever. Why not discipline him to behave properly? Remember what God did to a prideful king Nebuchadnezzar? He chastised him for 7 years and humbled him down so that Nebuchadnezzar gave all glory and praise to God eventually. Now that is a righteous punishment!! Such punishment makes all sense in the world. Mindless torment without end makes no sense at all.

[@nikokapanen82]

@@desertdinghy9833 As a former consumer of porn, I do understand it is harmful and sinful. Yet the point is, imagine a father who has an 18 years old son who lives with him, then imagine this father would catch his son watching porn one day. Now would that grieve the father? Absolutely, would the father get upset and discipline his son in one way or another? Sure but can you imagine this father getting into unquenched wrath and rage and fury and desire to burn his son in flames of fire forever and ever without any mercy at all? So the issue is not getting upset at sin, it is understandable, the issue is rather how come the anger escalates so quickly to such unimaginable proportions? Why not discipline sinners with some humane punishment, as God did to king Nebuchadnezzar? Why not strike sinners with some illnesses for example? I am not blaming God by the way, I am simply coming to a conclusion that something deeper is going on that people cannot fathom right now.

[@nikokapanen82]

@@desertdinghy9833 It was God working in your heart and He alone convicted you for all your sins and then changed you by letting all the sins be washed away and all the hatred purified from your heart.

[@hankgoodwin202]

America needs to repent humbly and turn back to him we are all quilty of lots of different things . and if people don't turn back to God/jesus it's probably going to get worse hopefully real people will start to wake up and realize this

[@bringemyoungpbuh4123]

Love is Love. Does that also apply for brother and sister? Cousins?

[@imago9059]

The only definition of Love is the one in the Bible: God sacrificed His begotten Son for us, the wretched ones. Only valid definition. Oh and we forget God's wrath. A perfect wrath of a righteous God.

[@bringemyoungpbuh4123]

@@imago9059 I hope you picked up the satire in my post.

[@chardo24]

@@imago9059 Garbafge argument.

[@crystalhaataja304]

Ignore the Christopher guy, he’s commenting hatred on every comment.

[@chardo24]

@@crystalhaataja304Have respect for your self. You are the one being hateful and negative here with your garbage thoughts and your garbage arguments about God.

[@Monkey_Chief]

yes God.

[@properpropaganda9831]

How will God's wrath be executed on the 13 year old Muslim girl that dies?

[@nikokapanen82]

Yes, this. In this video, we heard how God has the justified right to get wrathful when seeing how the worst atrocities in our world are happening where thousands and thousands of people are brutally tortured and murdered. Yet what about the rest of the world, billions of people who never murder or torture one human being, what about 13 years old Muslim girl whose worst sins are using some bad words, maybe some occasional dishonesty, and maybe some minor stealing. Why we are not wrathful towards such a girl to the point of desiring to burn her alive day and night without rest? Is it because we are that much eviler than God? Will God tell us "you did not desire to burn her alive because you are such wicked demons yourself who all deserve to burn" Is it like that? I am convinced it isn't.

[@GERALD9912]

God is also a jealous God. Suffering is due to fall of man(separation from God in the garden of Eden).

[@robertdouglas8895]

Suffering has its root in self-sacrifice. If you think Jesus sacrificed out of love, you will imagine you do the same to get rid of guilt.

[@GERALD9912]

@@robertdouglas8895 we are living in times of the book of Isaiah

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@GERALD9912 I am living now and know that what Jesus said is true. " I am with you always."

[@louislarose6613]

Good Word !

[@robertdouglas8895]

If you see guilt and sin after you forgive, that's not forgiveness. God knows only perfection. We are returning to perfection as we forgive. God doesn't need to forgive because He never condemned. "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love." You can't love God with all your heart, mind and soul and fear him, too. So Jesus never said, " “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

[@mleet3125]

Alisa, this thought came to me when you pointed out the progressive paradox as it relates to social justice and not God's justice. Look at these stances in terms of authority. They reject the government authority to execute justice and do the same with God's authority to do so. In fact, in some sense, it seems as though they're accusing authority of committing injustice.

[@nikokapanen82]

Have you noticed what this Yugoslavian theologian did? It goes always the same way. To justify God being wrathful, he had to bring up the worst atrocities imaginable, where hundreds of thousands of people were brutally tortured and murdered. Yet who can justify God being wrathful to the point of burning you alive day and night without rest when you are not a murderous psychopath who is responsible for thousands of people being tortured and murdered, when your worst sins were watching porn, some occasional dishonesty, some minor stealing and that are pretty much it? So the problem of God's wrath is still unanswered, it is still on the table, it is still a mystery what is really going on.

[@chardo24]

Garbage thought.

[@mleet3125]

@@desertdinghy9833 I disagree that all sins pay the same price. Jesus warned that judgement day would be more bearable for Sodom & Gamorrah than it would for the pharisees of his day.

[@foghornleghorn262]

So many Christians worship only the "love component" of God. Which by default feminizes God, and takes God's manhood from Him. This is one reason men have given up on church, and women now dominate our churches, and the men who capitulate to them.

[@joshscott6914]

How is love not masculine?

[@foghornleghorn262]

@@joshscott6914 Because so many Christians only focus on the " love component" of Christ, and nothing else.

[@joshscott6914]

@@foghornleghorn262 My question is why is that not masculine?

[@foghornleghorn262]

@@joshscott6914 "Love" can be masculine, but to focus solely upon that feature that Christ possesses is wrong.

[@joshscott6914]

@@foghornleghorn262 Okay, I get that.

[@areuaware6842]

YHWH is evil.

[@crystalhaataja304]

According to what standard? Your own? Why should anyone care what you think?

[@areuaware6842]

@@crystalhaataja304 , Why do so many force evil on others.

[@crystalhaataja304]

Read the book of Romans. It will answer your questions

[@areuaware6842]

@@crystalhaataja304 , It was a rhetorical question. Abrahamists have always forced their will on others.

[@chardo24]

This is garbage argument about the nature of God. God is love and anything that we do to divide us is not from God.

[@imago9059]

God is also perfect wrath because He is perfect Righteousness.

[@properpropaganda9831]

@@imago9059 How will his perfect wrath be executed on the 13 year old Muslim girl that dies?

[@chardo24]

@@imago9059 Garbage thought.

[@crystalhaataja304]

@@properpropaganda9831 because she rebels against the holy God. Romans tells us that all people are given the law on their conscience and know that God exists, and that they sin against God. They choose to suppress the truth in unrighteousness. That’s a summary of Romans one. Lower your view of man, and raise your view of God. We are nothing but the dirt.

[@properpropaganda9831]

@@crystalhaataja304 We are created in the image of God. Also, please answer the question: Precisely how will God's wrath be executed on the 13 year old Muslim girl that dies?