The Most Right Wing Supreme Court in a Generation (Andrew Seidel Interview)

-- Andrew Seidel, civil rights and constitutional attorney with Americans United for Separation of Church and State and author of the new book "American Crusade: How the Supreme Court Is Weaponizing Religious Freedom," joins David to discuss the weaponization and politicization of the Supreme Court. Get the book: amzn.to/3Efvvk8
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Broadcast on November 8, 2022
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[@allthingsconsideredaa]

You can't have a better guest than Andrew. This man is so genuine, so humble and knowledgeable, he is the great atheist hope.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

He's half of my favorite Andrews! (The other, of course, being Andrew Torrez from the opening Arguments podcast)

[@1DangerMouse1]

Indeed. He's always informative and enjoyable.

[@cade8986]

One of my favorite people. Andrew is a great face for the non-religious.

[@tinpanally51_36]

Great face period

[@shlockofgod]

The left are very religious. They just replaced the church with the state.

[@tinpanally51_36]

@@shlockofgod no they just know the constitution separate church and state period.

[@shlockofgod]

For leftists, the state IS the church. They consider government sacred and the source of morality and freedom.

[@kodiekulp]

Americans United for Separation of Church and State is Great! I've donated to them! At least 3 times this year! And I get a weekly( pretty sure it's weekly) newsletter from them in my email. Everyone should check them out and support what they do!

[@necko2529]

I love Andrew's work. Thanks for having him on, David.

[@carolmartin4413]

Great conversation. I am a Christian but am terrified of the crazy scotus we have now and worse..they will be there for a very long time. I shutter at the amount of damage they can do to this country over time

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

Andrew Seidel has done a lot of work together with Christian Organizations on the importance of separation of Church and State, as well as a report on Christian Nationalism and how it played a huge role on Jan.6th

[@spaceballs44]

Who knows it could be short. People develop cancer and have car accidents, a brain aneurysm, heart attack so who knows the Supreme Court could go back to being Liberal.

[@marshapilipow4671]

Carol Martin 🙂I'm with you I'm a Christain also but some rebublican leaders are the worse liers ever .

[@davelindstrom6005]

*shudder* - to shake in fear or apprehension not shutter - a wooden window closure/covering to prevent damage from storms, intruders, etc. I agree wholeheartedly with your premise, but C'mon, man!

[@carolmartin4413]

@@davelindstrom6005 thanks for the verb correction. After 76 years I have lost my spelling accuracy. 🙃

[@guthrie_the_wizard]

Andrew is great - thanks for having him on.

[@luciusgorgo14]

Love everything this guy is doing.

[@yvonneplant9434]

Sure. But everyone looking at this channel should know all of this already. It's more "preaching to the choir".

[@DS-et5gm]

Andrew is such a champion for liberties in this country, so great to see him on the show, have him back again please!

[@pleaseenteraname1103]

Mostly what he does is just complain about things that aren’t important, and lie.

[@jsmith3798]

I’ve never heard of this guy before. I’ve been missing out. He’s remarkable. David, sir, excellent guest.

[@natalieharless1715]

This guy needs to hit college campuses to knock down the Charlie Kirks & Ben Shapiros of the world, seriously!

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

Not much money from oligarchs for atheist attorneys promoting separation of Church and State

[@zachcauthren]

lol

[@strangelitgirl]

Absolutely!

[@diamondpressco2673]

ya but he wont because he knows he will be proven wrong

[@Raydensheraj]

​@@diamondpressco2673Riiiiiigghhhttt....😂.... Shapiro can't open his mouth for anything ACCEPT his handlers, the neo Confederate Christian nationalists Wilks brothers, allow him or Dennis Prager to talk....two far right Likud Party Jews are now experts on our Secular liberal democratic republic and it's secular liberal constitution? Laughable comment.

[@weston.weston]

I wish this interview was longer. Pakman interviews (and topics) are usually excellent!

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

If you listen to the podcast Opening Arguments, then Andrew Seidel is a frequent guest on the show! He also have his own KZbin channel, and there is videos with him on the Freedom From Religion Foundation KZbin channel, (he used to work there)

[@weston.weston]

@@gorillaguerillaDK Oh wonderful, thank you for sharing. I am also looking forward to reading his book!

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

@@weston.weston You're very welcome - he's a great guy and has done a lot of work, both as a lawyer and as a writer..

[@danielriley6928]

Both of Andrew’s books are fantastic. I can’t recommend them highly enough.

[@marionopisso212]

Excellent interview!!

[@drumcircler]

Thanks for your hard work, Andrew.

[@clairerobinson7658]

Great discussion. Thanks ❤

[@chuckoboy952]

Love the show

[@mdfgdgafdgdfg6509]

This guy was an excellent guest. Might search out his book, which I never do.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

He has a KZbin channel as well, and he’s a frequent guest on the podcast Opening Arguments, so you don’t HAVE to read his books to know more about what he’s talking about here. But if you can afford it, it is of course also helping him provide a living if you buy his books…

[@franklacey5054]

Also check out his book _The Founding Myth: Why Christian Nationalism Is Un-American_.

[@strangelitgirl]

Check out KZbin clips/episodes of his appearances with Matt Dillahunty. They are excellent and I learn so much.

[@tylerhackner9731]

The more right wing they get, the more I’m turned off

[@OilCanHarry2U]

Unfortunately, that’s exactly what they want you to do.

[@justinpitcock5312]

After this election it looks like the more right wing they get the majority of women, 18-29 year olds, and independents are all getting turned off, and as an independent I love it!!, and as long as Trump is running the show they are going to go down in flames, I don’t think Trump could do it in any other way. Should be fun to watch!!

[@blueglass1163]

What’s wrong? Don’t like a court that actually respects the constitution and saves America from garbage globalist legislation?

[@dannyspitzer1267]

Andrew is awesome

[@donaldhanek2740]

Thanks!

[@ellenkemp3798]

Wow!! Really great interview. 😌😌

[@strangelitgirl]

I LOVE ANDREW SEIDEL! Everyone should watch his appearances with Matt Dillahunty. I learned so much from both of them. I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian household and know how serious this is firsthand.

[@debmcgerrigle3477]

I would like to see someone that has the President's ear to read Andrew's book & relay this info so they can maybe move forward with increasing the number of Supreme Court members & take away lifetime appointments.

[@jasonchesnet3922]

Great guest.

[@lutemule]

I bought his book right away!

[@charley408]

The trick here is going into court with a damn dictionary incase you need to school a judge on how one words definition is black and white, not grey purple or pink. Speaking of dictionaries, someone should send one to Marjorie Tayler Green with all her favorite words highlighted for her, lol!

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

Logical flaw, you assume she’s able to read!

[@charley408]

@@gorillaguerillaDK peach tree dish! Lmfao! Yes, excellent point. Let's throw in reading and comprehension in English for dUmMiEs! 🤭

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

@@charley408 Need to make it what we in my neck of the woods call a Pixi Book

[@pghrpg4065]

I think it's the most conservative court since the switch in time that saved nine.

[@cyninbend]

It is the most conservative court ever. Citing witch trials, a ruling that allows states to force women to carry brain-dead fetuses until she develops sepsis or spontaneously aborts? Ready to overrule birth control rights, LGBTQ rights (kids finding their parents are no longer married? That's a weird one no one has tried to do b4!). Outlawing the Voting Rights Act and soon Affirmative Action (I was in school b4 AA--college was solid white. B4 AA, companies were solid white men in suits with female secretaries, no one of color. It was bizarre. AA changed all that. My boss hated me when I was forced upon him--but within a years, he loved me and said he was only hiring women from that point on. He did hire another woman. But then the director gave him a man for my promotion--I was supposed to train him to be the Specialist while I was stuck at entry level for 5 yrs. My resume was on the street and I was gone within a month or 2. There is now a female CEO of that company that did not have a salaried woman anywhere 50 yrs ago.) Power is conservative. It worked b4, why change? We need the govt to push us to do what is right. Ie, correct. This court has a Catholic Opus Dei theocracy planned for the US. They have told their faithful. Return women to the home to make babies. Jobs for white men who cannot compete.

[@selfish-perverse-n-turbulent]

I disagree. The Supreme Court is not only the most conservative Supreme Court in our lifetimes, but would rule exactly like most every other conservative Supreme Court throughout the history of our nation.

[@Dan0948]

I think it might be the largest Catholic representation on the Supreme Court ever, as well

[@edwardmiessner6502]

And not just any kind of Catholic but traditionalist Catholic

[@justinriley]

...And it became a huge weakness for the GOP

[@blueglass1163]

We maintain a majority of state governments, have a house majority, and have prevented Dems from obtaining a senate supermajority. Also, we just overturned Roe v wade and are about to destroy gay marriage next. Cope harder

[@markdalbey]

More Democrats should have voted in 2016 instead of staying home and sitting on their butts. If Democrats don't like this Supreme Court, they only have themselves to blame.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

Or maybe more Republicans should respect the separation of church and state instead of voting for cretins undermining it!

[@KC-py5vq]

You’re essentially blaming the victim here. Republicans are ignoring their own constitution and laws to push fourth an agenda that only benefits them and not everyone

[@dracorex6876]

The Bernie or Bust crowd had unintentionally caused the downward spiral of the Supreme Court in their reckless refusal to back Hillary Clinton when she got the presidential nomination in 2016 instead of Bernie Sanders. Heck, even Bernie did not approve of their actions as he was well aware of the dangers that Trump posed.

[@markdalbey]

@@gorillaguerillaDK What I always say. Instead of actually doing something you blame the other side. You are not going to change the right by complaining about it or saying they should have done this or that. You can only change what you do. Democrats will not change this Supreme Court one little bit by complaining about it or calling them cretins. They can change it over time by voting though. Thomas is 74 and probably the next justice to go. Do you want a Democrat or Republican nominating his replacement? Do you want a Democratic or Republican Senate confirming his replacement. I suggest more Democrats vote to insure that they are Democrats doing the picking. Alito is 72. He is probably next after Thomas. If a Democrat nominates both of them you have a 5-4 Liberal majority on the Supreme Court. Do Democrats want to actually do something or do they want to complain about it. If more Democrats had voted in 2016 Clinton would have been elected, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barret would not be on the court, and Roe vs Wade would not have been overturned.

[@lululewis4618]

I would like this man's name and the book. I want to be able to read this book .

[@lululewis4618]

Thank you

[@natalieharless1715]

Lulu Lewis, he just told you at the very beginning, American Crusade, by Andrew Seidel. I'm interested as well. Here's a couple more I've read: Confidence Man, Haberman, Revenge, Michael Cohen, Devil's Bargain, Joshua Green, Thank You For Your Servitude, Mark Liebovich. Started another, Weapons of Mass Delusion, Robert Draper. If you're really interested in what the heck happened to the GOP, then these books are worth it! You're welcome.👍😊

[@natalieharless1715]

@@lululewis4618 👍😁

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

@@lululewis4618 Andrew Seidel also have his own KZbin channel, has written several books, and is a frequent guest on the podcast Opening Arguments, (with my other favorite Andrew, Andrew Torrez, who was also featured on one of the latest Legal Eagle videos here on KZbin)

[@barbaraannbaugh1039]

In my opinion a cross in the court house is sacrilegious and the American Flag in church an abomination.

[@rey82rey82]

Money as religious speech

[@pappav77]

Andrew!!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@stargazer9369]

Maybe a student or school staff handbook could provide this disclaimer to students, parents, and staff, "You are not required to pray or listen to any prayer on school grounds. Prayers given on school property may involve calls for physical violence only if the physical violence would be conducted in defense against an aggressor. Otherwise, the school staff does not approve or disapprove of any prayer given on school grounds. You may pray on school property, as long as you take care that the only people who hear your prayer are people who wish to listen to your prayer."

[@TheRedStateBlue]

STACK THE COURT!

[@timhocking529]

Pack the courts.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

Ah, one of my two favorite Andrews, (the other favorite being Torrez)

[@georgejones3526]

My question is, can anything be done to fix the problem?

[@zetectic7968]

SCOTUS is a political body most of the time. The law is a side issue that takes 2nd place to the desired political outcome. It is also a flawed body while it allows lifetime appointments - just wait until the GOP starts selecting judges that are barely 30 years old.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

They already did, for lower Federal Courts - if you look at the nearly 200 people appointed by the Trump/Pence administration, there are appointees among them who is in their early thirties!

[@zetectic7968]

@@gorillaguerillaDK 🤔

[@Josiah_Cornett]

Big fan of Andrew Seidel! Andrew, if you just so happen to see this, the police cars in my city literally say “In God we trust” on them. What can I do about this? Can FFRF or some other organization file something?

[@pleaseenteraname1103]

Nothing it’s our national motto and no it does not break the establishment clause, if you think it does you clearly don’t know what separation between church and state is, personally I can’t stand Andrew I think really all he does or mostly what he does is just complain about insignificant things that really have no impact on peoples lives whatsoever.

[@Josiah_Cornett]

@@pleaseenteraname1103 you are wrong. It hasn’t been our national motto for all that long. It does break the establishment clause because it’s a statement that we, as a nation, put trust in god. It favors theism over atheism, and is a statement that the country is religious, when it’s not. If you think that all Andrew does is complain about things that don’t matter, all I can say is, you must be a Christian.. I can’t comprehend someone who is a minority in terms of religious affiliation, having that opinion.

[@pleaseenteraname1103]

@@Josiah_Cornett Yes but the term has existed for centuries, it’s become official motto until 1956, but it existed one before that and it was being used long before that as well. In God we trust does not break the establishment clause you clearly don’t understand what the first amendment sets out to do if you think it does, there is no specific establishment being established it’s an inclusive term in God we trust, God is being used in a more General sense it’s not referring to a specific God of any particular relief, the first amendment does not prevent Christianity or any other beliefs completely out of the public sphere, it’s meant to prevent religious tyranny and to guarantee religious freedom, and in God we trust because none of that, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with having in God we trust as a national motto and anybody tells you otherwise has absolutely no idea what separation between church and state is. Andrew is not as bad as Dan Barker but he’s still pretty bad. In my personal beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with this. Yes trying to get things like in God we trust removed from coins, and complaining when a baker expresses his constitutional right, he complains about pointless things like that that have zero effect on really anybody. And the first amendment prevents the government from being able to favor one religion over another and it’s laws.

[@pleaseenteraname1103]

@@Josiah_Cornett Andrew also straight up lied about Alito’s draft, he accused him of being a Christian nationalist, and wanting to force religion on the rest United States did not mention his Catholicism one time in his entire draft, oh yeah legal attorney can’t understand why Roe v. Wade was a bad decision.

[@JhonnySerna]

Andrew said that never the supreme court was allowed to infringe on the rights of minorities, but that ignores the infamous decisions against black and japanese minorities under the segregation and the world war 2, respectively. It is true though that this is one of the most unbalanced courts that have ever existed.

[@michaelhutchinson1713]

Great guest. Great topic. But I always felt the baker case was ridiculous. I worked in restaurants for years. IF I WENT TO A WEDDING AND WAS TOLD SOMEONE WAS FORCED TO BAKE THE CAKE....I WOULD NOT TOUCH IT....AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU.

[@michellecuyer9979]

Here in Québec Canada we have made law to separate province and religion and have removed crucifix and religion related objects from public space but this has become à problem for women specificly for wering hijab or scarf in public jobs such as teachers or gouvernement positions.

[@bubbiesdad]

The baker never refused to bake a cake.

[@edwardmiessner6502]

He refused to bake a wedding cake but offered other cakes that were already baked. The baker was making it obvious to the couple and their mums that they were just second-class citizens in his eyes and as long as we have Christianity around we are going to have problems with these crazies saying respecting other people's rights is a violation of their own rights.

[@1DangerMouse1]

I liked his other book too

[@sylviahoffman9440]

I'm the first thumbs up!!! Woo hoo

[@pleaseenteraname1103]

Andrew the baker was not discriminating against them, the couple was discriminating against him, they were trying to get him to go against his values. Having something like a utility scene 10 Commandments is not A government establishment of religion and no it is not break the establishment clause of the First Amendment, it was after school hours he did absolutely nothing wrong. There was nothing wrong with what the coach did after school hours and it was optional.

[@Hash1Suspect]

David interviewing himself, I see

[@FeikNeyme]

Homie looks like a stoner version of David

[@patriciawilson1836]

"The tighter their grip (The Empire) , the more star systems will slip through their fingers..."

[@Berisha1990]

The only way to save the Supreme Court is for Clarence Thomas to retire so Biden can appoint a justice to bring back the 5-4 balance or it needs to be expanded.

[@deandavidson1375]

Yes! Love when Andrew is on. I don't have a belief system. If was superstitious I would pick someone other than the old testament guy. In his show to clean yourself is to be unclean. Kinda like something I would expect from a telemarketer. So he's out. As far as the second act, Jesus seems OK, most of the time, but I flat out refuse to believe in a God who'll send me to

[@deandavidson1375]

Hell just for not believing in Him. I'm just a "happy heathen" Not an historical heathen.

[@zachcauthren]

@@deandavidson1375 atleast you know your a heathen my brother. and yes most humans dont want to face the consequences of our actions. never the less we always do. in this life and the next....

[@drewharrison6433]

@@zachcauthren What next life? Not everyone faces consequences for their behavior either.

[@shlockofgod]

Right wing just means left wing but 30 years ago.

[@reallydoe2552]

How dare you mislead me into a good conversation

[@janklaas6885]

🕊10:06 2🕊6:28 3🕊7:57

[@textme6456]

WRITE ME ✍️👆👆!

[@andrewtaynton3402]

Interesting

[@kween.khairaaa]

Aside from being insightful, he has gorgeous eyes lol

[@shara5985]

Uuh, why is he beautiful?

[@djburnette87]

I love these interviews. Dave does because I get to wait until the expert he brings on says something stupid and this guy wasted no time minute 1:17. Never?! Never Andy? Religious liberty has been used to stifle the freedom of black people since we got here. Recently in Jim crom. Separate but equal doctrine..🙄 who booked this clown

[@jamespolcyn8441]

The Subprime Court

[@donnanobel514]

Andrew looked soooo tired.

[@plant1deep4u2]

Huh . . . same hair, similar attire. They could be brothers or . . .

[@cyninbend]

There's another clone--the deal-making guy on The Handmaid's Tale--the American (not Gilead) guy who was helping Jun, but made the deal with Commander Fred--then turned him over to Gilead in trade for 22 women...allowing him to die when the women tore him to shreds. He's an older brother for these 2.

[@zachcauthren]

y not just go to another baker where your business is appreciated??

[@drewharrison6433]

Because they have a business that is open to the public and the law says that you can't discriminate. Why would we allow discrimination?

[@terrystevens3998]

Would you apply that logic to black people during segregation? Come on man

[@fd9987]

The baker broke the law. If you were denied service because your Christian or whatever, wouldn’t you be pissed?

[@gregoryrogalsky6937]

Abortion is baby murder. So far Iv not heard a single argument that makes me think any different.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

That’s because you’re not very bright - and can’t comprehend the difference between a baby and a fetus! And even if it was a "murder", I’m pretty sure you don’t mind laws giving home owners the right to use deadly force in case of trespassing! A fetus is trespassing the moment a woman don’t want that fetus in her!

[@KC-py5vq]

That’s because you idiots live an echo chamber. There isn’t a single, rational argument for forced birth.

[@myinsanewife2300]

@@gorillaguerillaDK The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law that recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

@@myinsanewife2300 Which is still horrible unscientific!

[@drewharrison6433]

A baby is a born human. It is either a fetus or an embryo before birth. Why should we allow anyone to use someone else's body without their consent?

[@Lindasmusings]

Ridiculous 😡

[@booboojones2590]

While I’m still watching this video all I can think of is DJT’s classic …. Two Corinthians. Way to knock it out of the park, Donnie.

[@ants41]

2 corinthians walked into a bar...

[@richardwilliams473]

And irony of it all is that Trump is not a Christian Trump just uses the Christian Nationalists movement for his own selfish political purposes. Trump even held the Bible upside down !! Andrew also spoke on the Freedom From Religion Foundation