“The Most Secure Euro Cylinder Available in the UK” - Apecs AP Picked

Finally got my hands on an Apecs AP cylinder - I’ve been curious about them ever since 8 heard about them; even more so after reading the claims on their website...💪🤔🔐
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[@LockNoob]

Finally got my hands on an Apecs AP cylinder - I’ve been curious about them ever since I heard about them; even more so after reading the claims on their website...💪🤔🔐

[@unlockeduk]

looks similar to the yale platinum

[@stevensimpson909]

I also have one of these and it’s so easy to pick, I’m sure I’ve heard somewhere the pins are alternately set at 45 degrees so I rake at 45 degrees from the left and right to get the false set and then do the slider’s like you 👍,they really do look like quality locks but so easy to open .

[@LockNoob]

Certainly there are worse out there

[@TequilaDave]

It's claimed as "most secure" because it's difficult to get the pins out of it! :) Great picks

[@LockNoob]

lol, you could be right!

[@U8uxa8SP]

Another great video. You're starting to make everything look easy like the Lock picking Lawyer.

[@LockNoob]

not quite yet!

[@MSM5500]

APECS is a company based in Moscow. They established their door lock business in the early 90's. Initially they were called APEX but in the late 90s they changed it to APECS. When I came across APEX for the first time like 25 years ago they tried to bullshit me that their locks kind of aren't made in China but they looked 99% identically to the Chinese locks I sold in bulk. They kept me bullshit till all over a sudden I found one lock with set of keys which had Chinese letters stamped on the same as on my ones. Eventually they surrendered and confirm that their door locks are Chinese but APEX branded on demand. Then set a deal with APEX and smuggled their locks to Ukraine.

[@PocketWomen]

Very nice picking, I would have thought given the blurb it would have been more of a challenge. Thanks for this demonstration, cheers

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 😀👍

[@jukeboxjonnie]

Make it even more secure - first thing to do is file off the company name badge from the front of the lock; making it more difficult to determine the internal configuration.

[@karenripley3678]

In a sense, it is the most secure lock available in UK because it is 'BSI 3* Diamond Secure'. The highest rating. But then there are other locks with the same rating. (I suspect anti-snapping and anti-bumping figure highly in the BSI accreditation, maybe 'picking' less so ?)

[@LockNoob]

Yeah, it's a bold statement!

[@tibielias]

I count 5 pins, 4 sliders. Must be a fun one to pick.

[@frankvantartwijk6281]

As always, great picking. Keep it up

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 😀👍

[@sotonlock7894]

You made that look so easy, shame it can't be gutted.

[@LockNoob]

I think I have to get semi destructive

[@obijanjebrave]

If in UK such false advertising goes unpunished by the law, you can only imagine how it's in other countries, like mine ...

[@LockNoob]

I'm not sure it's false advertising exactly - depends on how they meant it

[@trickytricky100]

Hi can you advise what’s the best barrel lock to purchase, that’s not easy to pick Thanks

[@joaolunomontovanelli2413]

The safest doesn't even have iner PIN. Nice job, hugs from Brazil

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 😊

[@s0men00bb]

Well , technically it is true , it is BSI verified , with probably TS007 and the rest is simple marketing bs. It's kind of Yale Platinum / Superior , tho , I've noticed that both don't have trap pins or sidebar isn't flush , so it may jam the lock. Companies have usually such wording , that if something isn't like someone thought it is going to be , they have covered themselves from further responsibility / lawsuits.

[@LockNoob]

I mean, it's not a bad lock overall

[@s0men00bb]

Few hours earlier , I learned that Apecs is chinese brand and it's made in China , so , very good if it passed all these certifications. 😁

[@vryko8567]

@@s0men00bb They're actually a Russian brand, but APECS UK is essentially a separate company who get everything produced in China (They were very clear regarding this recently due to certain global situations).

[@johnsmall3105]

Since it's easy for a burglar to snap a handle and gain access to a cylinder, do you think it would be a good idea to weld the outside handle to the door instead of letting it be fixed by screws? Provided that you can still change the cylinder when needed by removing the plate that's on the inside of the door and then removing the cylinder from the inside.

[@VS_1-1]

No, just buy a TS007 2* high security handle

[@Mankey1234]

What's your door made of that you can weld onto it?

[@gilessparkes2699]

Nice picking as always, made it look very easy

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 😀👍

[@roysammons2445]

If that's the UK's most secure lock then we all had better sleep with one eye open 😜. Was that loads of tension you were using there? They were very defined clicks.

[@LockNoob]

Yes. Lots of force

[@cdrbb]

..gripping your pillow tight

[@TheEnglishRedneck45]

I had no idea they have different levels of security pins on the exterior vs. interior. Makes complete sense when you say it, but I was baffled why some retailers detail the exterior vs. interior sides without stating why - that must be it!

[@occamraiser]

also some of the tabs aren't central - ie 40mm/30mm so you need to know int and ext anyway.

[@mlautokeys9614]

Love the video... maybe Apecs haven't heard of Abloy Protec 2 cylinders.....🤣

[@LockNoob]

lol

[@graealex]

Pretty sure the Bravus 3500 MX and the 3KS are more secure. Not unpickable, but damn near impossible.

[@NigelTolley]

Picking resistance is far from what really counts on a lock cylinder, let alone a door, for 999 attackers out of 1000.

[@graealex]

@@NigelTolley Yes, we all know that. Thank you for repeating it.

[@LockNoob]

Secure... is a very hard tern to get an objective rating on considering all the attack vectors

[@chemistrykrang8065]

The Avocet ABS is a much better all round lock, with exactly the same sold secure diamond 3* rating... trap pins for days, more anti-snap, more anti-drill, magnetic element... and only £10 more expensive.

[@chemistrykrang8065]

(I'm not flogging Avocets - I just like them, and I don't understand how this can claim to be more secure!)

[@s0men00bb]

Well , it's simply true for Avocet ABS , and the rest is marketing crap. :)

[@LockNoob]

ABS is a fun lock!

[@madcapmagician6018]

that looked pretty easy to pick.... 😁👍

[@LockNoob]

a wee bit

[@Leonslockpad]

Most secure OK then😂 well done Ash mate great video👍👊🤟🇬🇧😎

[@LockNoob]

Thanks Leon, mate 😀👍

[@zxcherry7356]

Any recommendations on which one to get????

[@tarehjernetarehjerne4082]

They are right, it is the most secure but they don’t care about non destructive attacks. Zee told me all about it

[@LockNoob]

cool!

[@paulkeenan6430]

Love your videos, You’re obviously a very skilled tradesman….

[@LockNoob]

Honestly, i'm probably mid tier in terms of picking, but I do enjoy it!

[@smartchip]

​@@LockNoob hi, I am on a budget, with in reason, what is a good lock, I have ultion at the moment, front and back, the normal handles, really like to have the peace of mind really,

[@dutch_blades]

So much for "The Most Secure Euro Cylinder Available in the UK" 😅 I'd love to give it a crack though! don't have any dimple slider locks myself.

[@LockNoob]

Yeah - the Mauer NW4 is a fun one

[@vicenterivera5693]

Nicely done.

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 😀👍

[@Alx-SG]

my one has a spool on pin 4, have to pick it after the sliders. did you figure out how to turn the cam from the external side? first dimple lock I've ever picked.

[@LockNoob]

You just have to use a tension tool long enough. GxAxV did a video on it

[@philipbayliss879]

Any chance of a link to the tools to buy please or the brand and names please. I'm going on callout and these are the locks used now. Asked for training and when shown it was they break the handle off snap the first part then basically destroy the lock smash it out which breaks the whole locking mechanism then once in replace the whole locking mechanism new lock new handles. Which to me is stupid instead of actually training the team how to do it properly with no damage. The cost of training would eventually outway the cost of replacing the new parts. I'd just like to do it properly instead of hammering away at 2 in the morning in say a block of flats waking everyone up. Because I wouldn't be to happy

[@drevil2783]

Fot LN is is not difficult. For me i find normal lever locks an absolute nightmare.... I still want to know how to pick the sliders.. i can't seem to understand the concept..

[@LockNoob]

hard to explain in text. Have a look for a video on the Yale superior where I take one apart - It might help

[@paulb7964]

When you disconnect the lock a locking security feature engages.

[@smartchip]

Avocet, Yale, ultion or which one is the best?

[@liverpoollocksmith791]

great picking have you tried raking like the yale dimple ?

[@LockNoob]

No, not yet :-)

[@17hmr243]

nv played with sliders where would i start is there cheap lock to start on ? nice open

[@LockNoob]

A short yale superior is ok

[@EdocDab]

Strange it wouldn't gut after removing the bottom pins. As pick resistance wasn't great, maybe that makes it the most secure lock? 🤦‍♂️

[@LockNoob]

well, you could have a point lol

[@BD90..]

Five pins, on a high security lock? I guess it has sliders. It should at least have false gates then. Has it got lock down mode?

[@randommadness1021]

Where would the false gates go?

[@LockNoob]

On the sliders; it could be possible to do

[@JAMESJAMES26000]

What is the best euro profile lock cylinder on the market?

[@markmenow2day]

hi, where do you buy the honest dong shi set from, thanks.

[@LockNoob]

Chinese import sites. Google Honest Dong Shi Pick Set and you should get some options 👍

[@d17mop]

What is the best euro cylinder then ?

[@LockNoob]

Depends on your budget. If you want spend over £140 there are things like the Abloy Protec2 and Urban Alps Stealth key. There are more expensive and higher security ones out there too. But since no one picks locks for crime, a solid British standard 3 star lock suits most people

[@jeroen5812]

Maybe you can do a recommendations video?

[@steveacab77]

best lock out of these and the avocet buddy

[@randommadness1021]

You really like those dimple lock don't you lol. I think they can get away with saying that because it has security pins, sliders and anti-drill measures. Just a guess, but I reckon that's how they got the ability to say that sort of comment.

[@LockNoob]

I do Barry!

[@cmuller1441]

It's crap: there's no sacrificial part to prevent grabbing the front and extracting it. The euro lock weakness is the middle part with the screw that can break.

[@Omega343666]

That's what I was thinking as soon as I saw it didn't have any sacrificial part I was worried. 5 pins as well and only 2 anti drill pins.

[@NigelTolley]

You're both wrong. There's a relocker inside that prevents those attacks from allowing access.

[@MikkoRantalainen]

I think the UK rating assumes hook + bottom of the keyway tensioner. If a "pro" cannot get the lock open with those tools, it will get high marks for being pick-proof.

[@bradw0535]

Is APECS the UK cousin of MasterLock? Makes me wonder with that advertising 🤔 🤣 nicely done sir! 👍👍

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 😀👍

[@matt79de]

Thanks, Ash. Loved the comments on their claim. This video leaves me with two questions: What's that pick again? What, based on what You picked so far, do you think is actually the most pick resistant Euro Cylinder lock? As an aside and for those unaware, i may add here that security isn't exclusively about pick resistance, but also has to incorparate drill protection, snap protection and whatnot (which the video also hints at). So to Apecs' credit: They didn't claim that it is 'the most pick-resistant lock'. And it's probably a somewhat sane assumption, that most locks in use that do get attacked don't get attacked by experienced lock pickers with pick and tension tool. (I myself tend to forget about that everytime i watch my favorite lock picking channels. 😉) Sadly, testing the remaining security features would be destructive obviously, although it would be interesting too (esp. given that claim).

[@vryko8567]

As a locksmith myself I would say that pick resistance is the least worrying as, as you correctly guessed, there's basically a 0% chance of someone picking their way into your house. I've not heard of it. It's way more likely to be a lock snapped, door jimmied open, or a smashed window, etc. They want to do the quietest, if not quickest way of getting in unnoticed (so drilling is very unlikely) and picking takes too much practice and potentially time exposed at the door (picking in the comfort of your house is one thing, outside in a live locksmith situation is another - then factor in added stress if you're doing it illegally). As for drill protection, it's basically useless against something like a die grinder with the correct burr. (many videos of people destroying 'high security' cylinders such as the Ultion) with them. Or the new kid on the block is the magi burr which fits in a Dremel tool (again, lots of videos on this). I've used the die grinder on a 3* ATK and it was like cutting butter.

[@gamerfreakUK]

Typo in your description. “8” instead of “I”. That is all. :)

[@LockNoob]

lol, sorry!

[@paulb7964]

Looks like a Yale lock

[@crowley357]

It was not a fluke.

[@LockNoob]

lol

[@adamambler5915]

advertising this as the most secure euro cylinder available in the uk is at best highly misleading but realistically completely false... i suspect most of this claim comes from physical resistace to attacks like drilling or snapping and not much else.

[@LockNoob]

Who knows! it's not a bad lock overall though all things considered

[@occamraiser]

first 2 minutes were like watching a child try to break a lock into pieces. I see people referring to the LPL below. Don't give up your day job you're not in his league....probably not even the same sport.

[@LockNoob]

I am a lowly worm. I will go and eat mud…

[@andyp9131]

There rubbish ultion locks are the best as if ur broken in they give u £2000 they dont give u anything only a lock they don't pick locks no it's to long to pick they snap them

[@TsiolkovskySportingLocks]

Yeah but no but...

[@LockNoob]

lol

[@barrysmall8645]

You sound like a dentist doing a tooth check...... Ha!

[@LockNoob]

lol

[@Gazz_R]

Don't stick it in your front door. Thanks for sharing Ash and take care mate.

[@LockNoob]

Well, i dunno - Picking isn't going to be an attack vector on a lock like this so it's probably OK TBF

[@Gazz_R]

@@LockNoob Yeah, fairplay.