The Most Spectacular Chopin Scherzos Ever Recorded (ft. Jed Distler) | Ep. 4 The Chopin Podcast

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Ben Laude

Ben Laude

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@LisztyLiszt
@LisztyLiszt 27 күн бұрын
Seong-Jin Cho is phenomenal. And his 4th Scherzo is fabulous. Edit: Glad you agree!
@MrLedZepper
@MrLedZepper 28 күн бұрын
The Cho set is a great pick by Distler. They are just stunning with attention to detail in every Scherzo.
@phenylalanine7392
@phenylalanine7392 28 күн бұрын
seong jin cho my beloved
@KIBICKE94
@KIBICKE94 28 күн бұрын
Incredible Seong-Jin Cho, indeed
@skatemore6108
@skatemore6108 27 күн бұрын
This is a fantastic channel. I’m a former music major and I kind of got burnt out at school and never finished the degree. Your videos have reminded me ab so much of why I was drawn toward studying music in the first place. Thank you for what you do!
@jfpary7336
@jfpary7336 25 күн бұрын
Chopin's music will never cease to captivate...
@piotrkol91
@piotrkol91 28 күн бұрын
Very happy that you mentioned the late Janusz Olejniczak. Wonderful pianist, teacher and person. Watched an interview where he was very excited for the upcoming Chopin Competition. He is the main reason I started playing piano 12 years ago. For me his recordings are iconic and shaped my taste and style for listening and playing Chopin. Very sad about his unexpected passing. Thanks Ben!
@mickizurcher
@mickizurcher 28 күн бұрын
Give us the link please
@benlawdy
@benlawdy 28 күн бұрын
@@mickizurcher olejniczak’s scherzo? Here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGGQo6yvn9F0mZYsi=7APOOwB8uSBnunYF
@bernardd
@bernardd 28 күн бұрын
Yes, thanks Ben for including that Janusz recording on a period Erard.
@idontknowmusictheory532
@idontknowmusictheory532 28 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for making these videos, as someone who has been obsessed with Chopin for years at this point it really means the world to me!
@jayhu2296
@jayhu2296 28 күн бұрын
SEONG JIN CHO MENTIONED
@janventer2892
@janventer2892 26 күн бұрын
One of my favourites...Stefan Askenase....forgotten Chopin pianist !
@Zympans
@Zympans 28 күн бұрын
13:45 this burst is something else. Wow. And yes, scherzi from SJC are astounding. He takes no prisoners remaining unshakeable throughout. One of his almost inhuman displays. The sonics are awesome too. The slow movement from the first scherzi: in a league of its own. Didn't know Horowitz though. Scintillating.
@PianistDanielFritzen
@PianistDanielFritzen 24 күн бұрын
Thank you! Olekniczak's recording is a revelation how this music can come alive on this piano. I feel this instrument makes different aspects come alive than modern grand pianos.
@kwgm8578
@kwgm8578 28 күн бұрын
The Scherzos are very appropriate for Halloween -- they scared the hell out of me.
@benlawdy
@benlawdy 28 күн бұрын
@@kwgm8578 that’s right. Just have them playing on loop full blast, leave a bowl of candy out of the kids, and you can call it a night
@m420-nd1if
@m420-nd1if 28 күн бұрын
​@@benlawdyThanks for everything you do! Yours is one of, if not THE, best channels on piano and Chopin❤ Have you ever considered widening the scope on more other composers? I would for example love some more Bach content, but only if the Chopin content doesn't get neglected :P Actually I am perfectly happy with your channel as is, Chopin is the sun around which the piano universe orbits. So maybe disregard my suggestion and just accept my gratitude ❤😂
@benlawdy
@benlawdy 28 күн бұрын
@@m420-nd1ifthank you! And of course I will widen the scope, but I’m committed to the Chopin series right now. But you can look forward to more diversity in the new year :)
@benlawdy
@benlawdy 28 күн бұрын
@@m420-nd1ifand Bach, specifically, will be getting his due in the new year!
@kwgm8578
@kwgm8578 28 күн бұрын
@@benlawdy Hi Ben. Love the work you do, here and on ToneBase Piano. Seymour Bernstein is quite a special guy, as is Garrick Ohlssen, of course. You can tell Seymour that I hated Gould's Mozart -- spent almost $30 years ago on his Complete Sonatas, and after an hour of surfing the discs, they went into the recycling bin. Listening to them was almost obscene, like a filthy joke told at a congenial dinner party, (or a fart at a State Dinner.). By the way, it wasn't the sound of the Scherzo (#3), that put me off -- it was those triplets in octaves. "Too many notes, Chopin!" Happy Halloween! 🎃👻👽🕷️🍭
@TheOssia
@TheOssia 28 күн бұрын
Yundi Li’s recording of the Scherzos are worth hearing!
@sctm81
@sctm81 22 күн бұрын
His #2 is fantastic
@sonholee5769
@sonholee5769 28 күн бұрын
Man. That recording by Janusz Olejniczak seems amazing! Will have to look for it.
@RanjanSubramanian
@RanjanSubramanian 28 күн бұрын
I am actually enjoying the Ohlsson recordings from the Hyperion complete works set excerpted during the podcast. Slower paced than most other recordings and Garrick is, of course, skillful enough to highlight details and voices others miss or gloss over.
@chazinko
@chazinko 28 күн бұрын
Try Richter's 1977 Munich Eurodisc recordings for a poetic account of these gems.
@jankwestarz7434
@jankwestarz7434 28 күн бұрын
Greetings from Poland Ben, it is really nice to hear about Janusz Olejniczak in American podcast. it really sad information that he passed away.
@mickizurcher
@mickizurcher 28 күн бұрын
Olejniczak is inspired!
@nintendianajones64
@nintendianajones64 28 күн бұрын
Claudio Arrau's Scherzos are as good as Zimmerman's Ballades. They're incredible.
@brozors
@brozors 28 күн бұрын
Argerich's recording of the 3rd scherzo is peak virtuosity within Chopin's music.
@deutekom2004
@deutekom2004 28 күн бұрын
I began my journey into Chopin's scherzo with Nelson Freire's remarkable performance, which resonated with brilliance and passion. This interpretation has left such a strong impression on me that it's rare for other renditions to match the satisfaction I found in his artistry.
@guacamole7493
@guacamole7493 27 күн бұрын
Yeah. His is quite good.
@deborahspiano
@deborahspiano 27 күн бұрын
Well, there's a lot of different interpretations and each of us will feel different by listening them, have saying that, we have our favs interpretations/interpreters, that's the magic about Chopin's music, it can be played in differents ways and sound beautiful as well ❤
@nickk8416
@nickk8416 28 күн бұрын
Check out the Chopin playing of Andrzej Wasowski. He died in 1993. His Preludes are sublime. He's hard to find but worth the effort.
@DawidxBe
@DawidxBe 9 күн бұрын
I agree that Seong-Jin Cho's performance is truly exquisite: pure, precise, full of emotion (the lack of emotionality was - wrongly - pointed out during the Chopin Competition), but after a long search I found my incredible treasure, Piotr Paleczny's performance (Piotr Paleczny, "Chopin: scherza, nocturny", The Fryderyk Chopin Institute 2015). Please, give this recording not one, but two chances, especially the ending of the third scherzo, where the hope given is suddenly taken away irrevocably.
@jeff__w
@jeff__w 28 күн бұрын
1:14 “…a recording by Seong-Jin Cho” Seong-Jin Cho is one of my favorite pianists also but Jed Distler makes the pronunciation of Cho’s given name a bit more complicated than it is. The _eo_ in Korean romanization represents simply an _aw_ sound in English so the first part of Seong-Jin’s name is, effectively, _sawng,_ or, even more simply, _song_ in English. (That, incidentally, also accounts for the spelling in English of South Korea’s capital-it’s basically _Seo-ul_ or, how it would be pronounced, roughly, in Korean, _saw-ool,_ without any w-glide.)
@farazhaiderpiano
@farazhaiderpiano 28 күн бұрын
5:23 I would've nominated Guiomar Novaes's recording of this same scherzo which was bootlegged from a recital of hers in 1949/1950ish. It is on KZbin. But Horowitz is a wonderful choice!
@SGregW
@SGregW 28 күн бұрын
Thanks for bringing these recordings to my attention. For an electrifying No. 1, hear Natan Brand in a live recording. Also Katsaris in all four - his control of voicing is mind bending....maybe in some ways a little too clever, but amazing nevertheless. The Olejniczak sounds wonderful. Someone did a good job restoring the old Erard in that recording.
@armandodelromero9968
@armandodelromero9968 27 күн бұрын
For me, the reference has always been Ivo Pogorelich for DG
@jimkost2002
@jimkost2002 27 күн бұрын
🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽🎯👍🏽👍🏽
@Andrew_from_Oz_Vinyl_Landscape
@Andrew_from_Oz_Vinyl_Landscape 17 күн бұрын
Love the:Recording recommendations but I cannot hear what’s in Horowitz Ballade 4 , sound quality sounds like a cartoon imho.
@Andrew_from_Oz_Vinyl_Landscape
@Andrew_from_Oz_Vinyl_Landscape 17 күн бұрын
Olejniczal Ballade 2 is transcendental imho
@iianneill6013
@iianneill6013 28 күн бұрын
Never realised before how Gottschalk-like the slower passages are of the Third Scherzo ... Gottschalk in his American prairie-style ...
@Samuri_Jack_Enjoyer
@Samuri_Jack_Enjoyer 28 күн бұрын
Gottschalk mentioned!!!
@iianneill6013
@iianneill6013 28 күн бұрын
@@Samuri_Jack_Enjoyer I wish that at least half of the great Chopin pianists had also played some Gottschalk ... I think his reputation would be a lot higher than it is, today, if they had done that ...
@levimatheri7682
@levimatheri7682 25 күн бұрын
No Yundi Li? *gasp*!
@itsagasgasgas
@itsagasgasgas 28 күн бұрын
Michelangeli is my favourite in Op. 31
@andre.vaz.pereira
@andre.vaz.pereira 27 күн бұрын
Olejniczak and now Arthur Moreira Lima... October is not the best month for Chopin... RIP them both... Pletnev live rendition of the Scherzi is very good. I have some favourites but to do them live in Italian National TV RAI... We simply have to give him the credits for the cicle of scherzi.
@Daniel_Zalman
@Daniel_Zalman 28 күн бұрын
For individual recordings, I think Michelangeli's Scherzo No. 2 on DG is spectacular. I couldn't imagine a better performance of that work.
@leonardodelyrarodrigues3752
@leonardodelyrarodrigues3752 28 күн бұрын
Best Scherzo no.4 : Yulianna Avdeeva 2010 First stage internacional Chopin Competition.
@jonbaum
@jonbaum 28 күн бұрын
Bruce Liu's 4th from the Chopin competition is also fantastic. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2e5laN7fplrmsUsi=T0CRJ7i4W5PIt-At
@leonardkobal7340
@leonardkobal7340 28 күн бұрын
What about Pogorelić??
@militaryandemergencyservic3286
@militaryandemergencyservic3286 28 күн бұрын
Pletnev does them all on a single YT video - it was the only video I could find of them all on yt at the time. (I mean not just audio) Does anyone know anyone else brave enough or good enough to do them all on a single video here on YT? Pletnev is, of course, the best male pianist today together with Lugansky and Volodos. at 9:20 Horowitz makes a mistake (despite Mr Distler's claim of perfection etc)
@derndernit8275
@derndernit8275 28 күн бұрын
Sometime in this I geuss you will get to his sonatas, I just remembered Pogorelich Sonata 2 played in a nice room favorite interpretation ive seen (havent searched many, and after I found that one)though the audio quality is less than ideal and lesser in some moments. Also just came across Zimmerman grande polanaise brilliante from old chopin competition, i didnt look hard but cant find the full piece just 3 min version on youtube but wow.
@isaacthrpenquinez1098
@isaacthrpenquinez1098 28 күн бұрын
Marek Jablonski best grande polonaise
@derndernit8275
@derndernit8275 28 күн бұрын
@isaacthrpenquinez1098 first I heard was the credits of the film 'the pianist' tied for first with young zimmerman who might actually edge it out for first, your guy can be 3rd place if you insist, on further listen, Marek has a nice full warm lush tone, zimmerman what first attracted me was the crystalline clarity and feel, the pianist guy maybe has a bit of both, no contest their all enjoyable thanks for the rec
@abuthayakumar4919
@abuthayakumar4919 27 күн бұрын
Anyone know where I can get the tee that Ben’s wearing? 😅
@Daniel_Zalman
@Daniel_Zalman 28 күн бұрын
Pogorelich, Richter, Katsaris...can live without the rest (as far as recordings of all 4 go).
@drgaryb13
@drgaryb13 28 күн бұрын
Why not properly pluralize "scherzo" as "scherzi?" The Italian in me is panged by "scherzos."
@Pablo-gl9dj
@Pablo-gl9dj 28 күн бұрын
I despise the plural police.
@drgaryb13
@drgaryb13 28 күн бұрын
@Pablo-gl9dj - I'm surprised you didn't say, "polices" just to keep up the quality of your thought.
@benlawdy
@benlawdy 28 күн бұрын
@@drgaryb13 I find it unnatural to say “scherzi”, not being a native Italian speaker. Same with “concerti.” I might be traumatized from going to music school with American singers who took a semester of Italian diction and suddenly every Italian name or cognate was overpronounced and stuck out of their otherwise plain English dialect like a sore thumb.
@benlawdy
@benlawdy 28 күн бұрын
@@drgaryb13 also it’s worthy pointing out that the scores I grew up with - like the Paderewski edition - have “Scherzos” in big bold font on the cover. Yes, Henle prints “Scherzi”, but also “Sonaten.” So what are we to do? I’ll stick with the plain conventions of the language I’m speaking.
@drgaryb13
@drgaryb13 28 күн бұрын
@benlawdy - Yes, I was actually trying to be funny. I don't lose sleep over this.
@russbaldwin516
@russbaldwin516 15 күн бұрын
The people have spoken on utube cantten H.S sch no1...over 1 mill views😊
@iianneill6013
@iianneill6013 28 күн бұрын
Great video! Would have loved to have seen Alexander Michalowski's recording of the First Scherzo name-checked. Absolutely volcanic playing you'd expected from the only student of Carl Tausig to be recorded ...
@mcbuuiop
@mcbuuiop 28 күн бұрын
0:36 CATTTTTTT
@Schubertd960
@Schubertd960 28 күн бұрын
No Grosvenor? Surely one of the most creative recordings of all time.
@dorfmanjones
@dorfmanjones 28 күн бұрын
Grovesnor is the best I know. Beatrice Rana is in that Olympian realm as well. There's a particular live performance of the 4th Scherzo by Shura Cherkassky that is the best individual performance of a single scherzo I can imagine.
@benlawdy
@benlawdy 28 күн бұрын
@@Schubertd960 I love Grosvenor (and I know Jed is very fond as well), but confess to having missed his Scherzos. Just turned them on, 20 seconds in to No. 1, and already blowing my mind. Thanks for the rec!
@Zympans
@Zympans 28 күн бұрын
@@benlawdy he is for sure looking there for novelties, some new melodic lines in the outer parts. And is incredibly fast. But the carol part is imo the test. And I still without hesitation give an edge to SJC when it comes to musicality there. And while I'm a BG fan, I'd say his rendition, while impressive at first, is aging less convincingly than SJC's. Slightly too technical, or how to put it, micro-managing? I prefer his recent recordings muuuch more. But it's, you know, just an opinion.
@niraj_suresh
@niraj_suresh 19 күн бұрын
Agreed, Grosvenor has the best set in my mind! Some of the things he does with voicing and rubato are mind-boggling
@mariampmu
@mariampmu Күн бұрын
Not a recording, but a live performance by Zimerman in 1992 (Avery Fisher Hall, 1000th concert of his career). I love it, even if the audio is not the best: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3OZgJd7ob2imZIsi=jESXGYM4XoRQvaFY
@actualglacier
@actualglacier 28 күн бұрын
Cho's 4th scherzo feels very much inspired by Pogorelich's recording
@CarolHaynesJ
@CarolHaynesJ 28 күн бұрын
Cho is just too relentless for me. Really disliked the Horowitz recording - it was too "tossed-off" and often sounds quite mechanical. Nice moments but they don't make a good performance. I think sometimes Horowitz is too "virtuosic" (in the worst sense) for his own good - it can be all flash and crash. Olejniczak is much more to my taste and feels "authentic".
@benlawdy
@benlawdy 28 күн бұрын
@@CarolHaynesJ it’s interesting because some of Horowitz’s later recordings of the first scherzo are relatively slow. In the 30s though he was winning speed records, for sure - to paraphrase rachmaninoff. The “tossed off” quality is an aesthetic that works for many listeners in these particular pieces. I do think there’s more to the Horowitz than just that technical brilliance/ the organic interplay between voices, the structural sweep of the whole thing - as Jed points out. Having said that the Olejniczak is a revelation for sure, and there’s much more to discover in the Scherzos when it’s played with his stylish nuance.
@jonbaum
@jonbaum 28 күн бұрын
I find the scherzi to be the weakest of Chopin's larger works as to my mind there's far too much repetition in them. The opening section of No. 1 is played SIX times.
@tk9806
@tk9806 28 күн бұрын
For Scherzo No1 I recommend Benjamin Grosvenor
@rrg6625
@rrg6625 28 күн бұрын
Much of this is too fast. The musicality is killed, and for me not pleasurable to listen to. What is the rush?
@miguelisaurusbruh1158
@miguelisaurusbruh1158 28 күн бұрын
your opinion cuz i love these speeds
@lightball1414
@lightball1414 28 күн бұрын
To show the rest of us how inadequate we are in our feeble attempts to perform the work.
@miguelisaurusbruh1158
@miguelisaurusbruh1158 28 күн бұрын
except horowitz tho
@XPKpianist
@XPKpianist 28 күн бұрын
Your ears are just too slow.
@retrogamerdave362
@retrogamerdave362 28 күн бұрын
Listen to Abdel Rahman El Bacha. He takes his time and abandons showy/meaningless virtuosity for the sake of the music. His ballades and scherzos are a refreshing new take
@caphaddock1126
@caphaddock1126 28 күн бұрын
I strongly disagree. Judge for yourself de 4 scherzi by Ivo Pogorelich. In his recordings for Deusche Gramophone and moreover live in Napoli (It’s in youtube.).
@benlawdy
@benlawdy 28 күн бұрын
@@caphaddock1126 true, pogo is a god in these pieces especially
@gang_stalker_
@gang_stalker_ 28 күн бұрын
I've listened to a lot of different recordings and I believe Pogo is the definite champion of the scherzi, sometimes his live recordings are even better!
@jakealexander977
@jakealexander977 28 күн бұрын
I had a feeling this video’s comment section might get heated
@christopherczajasager9030
@christopherczajasager9030 28 күн бұрын
Benjamin GROVESNOR.....t h e. present era " Reference"😊😅....
@JohannnesBrahms
@JohannnesBrahms 28 күн бұрын
You listen to the Cho recording of 4 and then the Horowitz 1936. Both are technically masterful. Both impress with fingertip acrobatics. Both express feeling in the music. What makes them different? If there were AI software that could play the piece with perfection, presuming the mechanical expertise to execute the phrasing, dynamics, rhythmic style, and musical expression, Cho could do that. The Horowitz performance has something else that no software or algorithm can ever hope to achieve . . . Life! The piece under the hands of Horowitz lives and breathes and sparkles and dances with musical meaning and transports you to a place in which perfection is irrelevant.
@EmptyVee00000
@EmptyVee00000 28 күн бұрын
And then you hear Ashkenazy, and you are on a much higher plane.
@JohannnesBrahms
@JohannnesBrahms 27 күн бұрын
@@EmptyVee00000 In your opinion.
@EmptyVee00000
@EmptyVee00000 27 күн бұрын
@ Well, obviously not in anyone else's, except those who understand the enormous difference between playing excellent piano, and making great music.
@JohannnesBrahms
@JohannnesBrahms 27 күн бұрын
@@EmptyVee00000 You are obviously biased.
@profelimofficial
@profelimofficial 26 күн бұрын
I have no objections to your main point about Horowitz ("The piece under the hands of Horowitz lives and breathes, sparkles, and dances with musical meaning, transporting you to a place where perfection is irrelevant"). However, to me, Cho's recent recording Jed Distler reviews in this video also breathes and sparkles like a living organism, telling stories full of twists and turns and often transporting me to an otherworldly realm imbued with the paradox of eccentricity and beauty that the scherzi evoke.
@tom6693
@tom6693 28 күн бұрын
I hear incredible speed and amazing precision but by the end am wrung out by the relentless rush of it all. Astonishing as sheer playing, but I miss the ebb and flow of feeling that other pianists find in these pieces. Just not to my taste.
@guacamole7493
@guacamole7493 27 күн бұрын
Not a list to be takben seriously. The Korean guy sounds like dozens of other late 20th/21st century recordings No mention of Richter's 4th? Or Alfred Cortot? There's a beautiful performance of the 4th by Godowski from 1930 here on KZbin also. Hoffman's unmatched. There's a recording of him doing the 1st here on KZbin. The 2nd are all piano rolls I believe.
@benlawdy
@benlawdy 27 күн бұрын
@@guacamole7493 Garrick and I do talk about a specific 4th of Richter’s in another interview. Obviously there are countless great recordings, and lots of ways to interpret, so tastes differ widely. But I’m curious who else sounds like Seong Jin Cho? I’d like to listen!
@profelimofficial
@profelimofficial 26 күн бұрын
I'm also curious to know which 20th- or 21st-century recordings sound similar to Seong-Jin Cho's. By the way, the use of the phrase, "the Korean guy," in the comment is quite *interesting*.
@guacamole7493
@guacamole7493 15 күн бұрын
@@profelimofficial Listen to a polish guy, Josef Hofmann play Chopin's 1st ballade, there's a kraut, Walter Gieseking who plays some great Ravel and Debussy. Also a Frenchie, who plays some good Faure, Alfred Cortot. In a different vein there's a Canuck, Glenn Gould who brings some interesting takes on Bach. There are more I could list. All the above make the more recent pianist since Ashkenazi, Kissin, Kovacevich, Pollini, sound like drones plodding away at some unimaginative, "academically correct" way of playing.
@EmptyVee00000
@EmptyVee00000 28 күн бұрын
Incredible fingers, but full of cheap "espressivo." We live in a world where people have incredible means, but communicate nothing of any value, except quirky non-essentials like out-of-context rubato, tone color, or mini-phrasing. At least Mr. Distler mention the pianist who played the best 4th Scherzo of all time, whether at the Chopin Competition in 1955, or on the first DECCA recordings. Clown Horowitz always made a mockery of all music he played, with the exception of Scarlatti.
@aritrodasgupta2841
@aritrodasgupta2841 20 күн бұрын
White is no one talking about Yulianna Avdeeva here???🥹🥹🥹
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