The Most Terrifying IQ Statistics | Jordan Peterson

[@TheIcedCoffeeHourClips]

Check out the full episode here! -> tinyurl.com/ICHJordanPeterson

[@elcoollow5955]

All this talk about iq declining has me watering my plants with gatorade while wearing my crocs.

[@maribk1966]

You mean brawndo?

[@oleg45678]

It has electrolytes

[@maribk1966]

@@oleg45678 it's what plants crave!

[@SALTYCOMBATDIVER-ExInstructor]

Because that's what plants crave?

[@mrsmart5221]

At least your watering in style🤣🙏🏿

[@BuddyLee23]

One of the most underappreciated IQ effects is that KZbin comment sections on IQ-related videos seem to have a self-reported mean IQ score of ~130. It’s amazing how many geniuses find their way here!

[@jnure9]

Its usually higher than that lol

[@erynlasgalen1949]

It could be that higher IQ people are more interested in scientific content (as opposed to the makeup tutorials) and they are more likely to want to engage in discussions.

[@kkarllwt]

Present

[@bigneiltoo]

@@erynlasgalen1949 There are 1800 comments. Only 18 can be in the top 1%, on average.

[@erebus79]

@@bigneiltoo You're not very bright.

[@davidaldridge5716]

“There’s nothing you can do that’s more important than staying in physical shape to maintain your cognitive ability” - JP

[@lieferservicemitreis6178]

While simultaneously having near death experience in russia due to a drug overdose. This guy is an idiot.

[@c3bhm]

Yeah, and nothing's better for your physical health than getting your vackseen, right! Just like JP did and recommended that we all do! YAY JP!! Great advice!! (What a joke.)

[@davidaldridge5716]

@@c3bhm tighten up my guy. If your distrusting of bs narratives then develop a better feel as to when to open your mouth or not. Cause if you’re distrusting that’s good….but you’re not gonna win anyone over swinging that wildly. I mean what does that comment have to do with my comment or the quote I referenced? Regardless of JP’s decision making that’s a good quote and regardless of his decision making during c19….that unseen cancerous monster still hates him. Meaning he’s doing good things 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@blaynestaleypro]

@@c3bhm Pretty sure he's changed his stance on that. Did you see his interview with Destiny? He schooled Destiny who was pro vaccine.

[@KRAMITDFROG]

​@@c3bhm So if medicine says you should workout and eat right in order to remain healthy do you ignore that and stuff your face while remaining sedentary and watching brainrot? What he did is what medicine said and still says. Never mind the fact that saying otherwise led to serious problems. Time, which wasn't a luxury at that point, has proven otherwise in spite of "the science" so he is no longer of that opinion. Unlike that, working out and eating right have proven to be correct over time. So, what is your point? That one thing said previously invalidates what he says now that is completely unrelated? I expect that you can think for yourself and make your own decisions. Take the good and throw out the bad.

[@MucaroBoricua]

In my opinion, increasing "consumer" lives and dropping "producer" lives are the cause of the problem. You don't have to be smart to consume and have fun. But you got to be smart to produce anything of value.

[@FinalAffliction]

no you don't. michael jordan was dumb to shoot hoops day in and day out for years on end. there is not one sane or smart person who would think that is a good idea, but only a dumb person will persevere in something "dumb" and ultimately gain success. MJ has produced great value for lots of people rich and poor and he is not smart. A smart person will recognize the likelihood of success in sports and ultimatly give it up, or they will choose job opportunity instead of hanging out alone at night shooting baskets. Anyone can go door to door and sell a product, you dont have to be smart but you can produce value. But the smart person realizes that sales is hard and moves on, but only the dumb person perseveres in areas that have small likelihood of success. they are too dumb to quit. and therefor they outlast all competition and become great at it out of experience, and give the world great value. Do you need to be smart to wash peoples windows? Design clothes? The list can go on and on. You do not have to be smart to produce value. Was inventing a clothing hanger hard? Did they have to be "smart"? it's the most basic tool. Anyone can invent it. Sure you have to be smart to make medical discoveries or tech products, but as long as you are smart enough to recognize your own intelligence level you have tons of opportunity in different areas to give people value and to be a success. How smart do you have to be to purchase a transport truck and hire a trucker? Come on man. Think about it some more. Imagine someone who knows they aren't smart as the rest, and they hear you say this, and they give up. it is not true what you are saying brother out of respect i am just letting you know. Floyd Mayweather can't even read FFS. think about it harder. Scrub Daddy discovered that product BY ACCIDENT! You do not have to be smart. On the contrary, being smart in today's world is a DISADVANTAGE. because often times like i mentioned above, they are too smart and they avoid risks because of how aware they are of that risk.

[@kaleighphillips2486]

Great point

[@brandonbiehl9855]

I think is has more to do with how our education system goes about trying to encourage conformity.

[@fubokuen]

@@brandonbiehl9855 Doesn't the continuance of a system demand conformity?

[@mosesmessiah9098]

Good observation.

[@frankyu6984]

I know a guy who breezed through high school with A’s without studying. University kicked his ass because he needed to study so he quit, drank a lot of beer and ended up as a bus driver. His son inherited his IQ as well as his love for beer.

[@wcstrawberryfields8011]

Imbalance of "conscientiousness." Perspiration over Inspiration.

[@AIandComputerUse-nw6lc]

IQ does not equal drive. They tried a sperm bank of Nobel prize winners and the project failed: the kids would be incredibly smart but most lacked motivation and drive, and not much came of them.

[@johnnemeth6913]

Basically, big fish in a small pond jumping into a big pond syndrome.

[@frankyu6984]

​@@johnnemeth6913did not possess the motivation to be in that large pond. IQ isn't enough to succeed. There's so many other variables.

[@xornxenophon3652]

Intelligence only determines how fast you can learn IF you learn things; it does not force that knowledge into your brain by magic. Many people at university find out very soon that being the smartest person in highschool or college does not mean that much as a lot of smart people meet at university. That is why you need to put in some effort to actually get all that knowledge into your brain. This is especially true for studies like MINT or medicine or law, where "making an educated guess" will not be enough to pass a test.

[@melchezi8818]

You can be very smart person and bad people will still ruin your life.

[@joshualopez5649]

Accept life is unfair, work very hard to prepare for the bad and the good. For the chaos or the opportunities.

[@trojanthedog]

What was her name?😊

[@thatisabsolutelykooooge2211]

@@trojanthedogLOL damn

[@countuppodcast]

We’re here for the smart part

[@KonradTamas]

Now that is called, Bad Focus. No matter how many people want to ruin your life, If you are a Valuable Person, others will protect you. But the main thing is to Solely Rely on Yourself for your own Happiness and Fulfillment. Then other people cannot Shake Your World so easily. To Rely on Yourself is the Key, dont out source the fulfillment of your dreams to others, because no one knows better, what is the best for you, than yourself !

[@Ruckus45]

Having a high IQ is strange. If Shaq said he's tall nobody would bat an eye. Yeah, of course he's tall. If you say you're smart...well, then that opens up a lot of room for criticism, envy, and some strange desire for people to knock it down. Both are mostly genetic, but we react to them very differently.

[@AJ-nd4nk]

Very true. It's the reason why 'The Bell Curve' received an incredible amount of criticism.

[@gezenews]

Sure but you're also discounting pretty heavily the fact that people do get jealous and hate tall men all the time, and same for rich men and and men with nice cars.

[@roadie3124]

I never told anyone that I had a high IQ, but people notice and remember. I reconnected with a primary (age 9 to 13) school friend a couple of years ago and spent a week on his boat a couple of years ago. He had a few other friends staying on the boat and he introduced me saying that I was the smart one. That was after 65 years. It surprised me a bit. After all, he was the one who had founded a successful business. One thing I noticed in high school 60 years ago was that I didn't need to follow the standard procedures for writing a precis. "Summarise these 5 pages in 250 words". I just read the original text, thought about it for a minute and wrote out the precis. My only thought at the time was that I might get into trouble for not following the standard procedure. One disadvantage of 'getting' things quickly is that you don't have to study to get top marks in all the exams through school without having to study. You don't develop good study habits because you've never needed to study. This is not good when you encounter something difficult in advanced engineering mathematics at a higher level of education and actually have to study.

[@satamoto6488]

rich can be acquired , height and intelligence cannot ​@@gezenews

[@LigmusCrotum]

For obvious reasons. One you can see, the other you can't.

[@kkirsch3583]

The more lights you are gifted with in your chandelier, the more you can see; the more dots you can put together; and the more you can see how the term “with much wisdom comes much sorrow” is so painfully accurate.

[@redrock425]

Conversely "Ignorance is bliss".

[@user-ke5md1ho8h]

The more lights in the chandelier, the more bulbs you'll need to eventually replace.

[@Alexander-Herman]

So true

[@MrShysterme]

It can make a person expect too much of others and judge other people inaccurately. For instance, if someone does something very thoughtless, you think that they might have done that on purpose to hurt others. The reason is that if you did that then you would know it was wrong and you would be doing it purposefully. It is hard to understand people very far above or below you. I have a guy at work that is always doing or saying something mildly offensive. I don't think he is hateful, I think he is just very deficient in some areas. I try to remind myself of that but I also spend as little time around him as possible.

[@irelandishsac13]

I love your chandelier reference.

[@Micloren]

Seen this play out in a family with half adopted & half biological kids & one of the parents being 140+ IQ. The difference in problem solving ability as well as information assimilation (they understand things quicker) amongst the kids is night & day. The biological kids also seem to have a vastly higher disposition to learn & tinker with things. Meaning, the biological kid would see a paper airplane & want to know how it works while the adopted kid could care less. It’s all really is quite fascinating.

[@silverback7348]

While it does seem like there is a hard ceiling, emerging science shows epigenetic/genetic adaptations that at least allow for “nurture” practices to maximize potential because literally changes and growth can be seen, scientifically, meaning it’s a combination of nature and nurture.

[@Asto508]

@@silverback7348Nature defines the frame, nurture determines the position in the frame.

[@firecogs]

@@silverback7348True but I thought it was interesting that those differences disappear when looking at the cases of identical twins separated at birth. It seems as you age your IQ reverts to its baseline as you age. Very interesting stuff!

[@adrianocs4]

​@@firecogsyour body degrades as you age and can't keep up whith any artificial means to increase IQ and awareness. You can learn methods to better yourself, but when you start forgeting things because of old age you also forget those methods and they stop working.

[@Skippy-s1g]

I made the connection between interest and iq a while ago. It isn't just that smarter people learn more quickly. It's also that they are more interested in learning. It seems that if you don't have one, you don't have the other. I think this is the easiest way to tell high from low in everyday life. How many questions do they ask?

[@kaunas888]

The topic of IQ (especially in regard to race\ ethnicity) is so taboo that Stephan Molyneaux was permanently banned from KZbin for daring to bring the subject up...and not because he said anything necessarily false...but because he said something that offended delicate PC sensitivities.

[@richatlarge462]

The reality of group differences in intelligence, and the underlying reasons, much like certain other realities, is subservient to the enforced fantasy of those who control public dialogue using their ideological agenda.

[@harjitgill4408]

​@@richatlarge462that's right on the money

[@johngeier8692]

Eysenck and Jenson did research on race and IQ in the early twentieth century. 2 of the major races have a low average IQ. This correlates with significant social problems including high crime rates.

[@jonnyspeed8974]

Because IQ tests are skewed to western and white populations. Black populations also have servery different access and experiences in education. Despite the bullshit that IQ is genetic, actually brains are muscles that improve in their cognitive processing with use. Also there is zero proof of any link between ethnicity and intelligence, once you eliminate systemic factors.

[@roys8870]

There used to be a KZbin video titled "Race Differences in Newborn Behavior". Even that was gone/censored.

[@blipblip234]

The audio quality for this interview is top notch. Can we thank and recognized the hard work of your production crew? No reverb/hall echo from the room, no fuzzy sound, no microphone popping, good low end 'radio sound". Bravo!

[@onenorm1]

You mean a high audio quality production IQ?

[@kennethsizer6217]

I hadn't noticed, but you're 100% right: No distracting echoes, noise, uneven volume, etc. None.

[@FreakGUY-007]

​@@onenorm1 I mean these things are complex. Not everyone gets editing and be a good editor.. Let alone make audio too good..

[@claesyoungberg1695]

I agree. The overall audio is excellent. The vdeo quality also looks top notch. It's too bad that the director includes so many wide-angle camera shots that do an excellent job of showing the houseplants in the corners and the microphones hanging from the ceiling, but add absolutely nothing to the interview. In fact those silly frames detract from seeing the facial expressions and body language of the speakers.

[@parzingtheasian]

​@@kennethsizer6217the best audio engineer are not noticeable. see star wars

[@jamesg1974a]

The worst part about being intelligent is that it’s nearly impossible to be happy. When you are aware, and you are able to solve problems easily, but surrounded by people who aren’t and can’t, it becomes very frustrating. To that, of course, is that everybody seems to think they’re intelligent, but there are ways to easily determine whether or not they are in a basic conversation

[@ThatTylerGuy963]

It seems like you implied I'm unintelligent in several different ways

[@jamesg1974a]

@ so what you’re saying is you’re happy 😃

[@ThatTylerGuy963]

@@jamesg1974a yep

[@dixonhill1108]

meh-ish. If you're smart you can create your own forms of happiness. I.e. write a book etc. If you're not so smart you're stuck on a treadmill where you can never leave your environment. You always need a bigger truck, home, boobs etc. Not saying it's easy for intelligent people to be happy. I've suffered incredible depression because of my IQ. I can't trick myself in thinking my problems will magically go away. Worst I know how little control over my life I have. When your ability to deliver your thoughts to your own reality is zero, it's awful. That being said I've learned recently to really get past it. You have to leave your environment intellectually. It's a complicated thing if you want to avoid being a pure useless escapist. I'm started to "in-scape". Where I paradoxically retreat from my life and dive deeper into my life at the same time. I.e. spend a lot of time hiking/enjoying the local lifestyle, while also getting that feeling of freedom. I'm healthier, happier than I've ever been, while also getting to escape from life. It isn't making me richer, but that's just life.

[@gailnichols842]

Surround yourself with happy, intelligent people. It's not that hard! Start a conversation with people you meet at a museum, art gallery, university lecture. Learn another language and seek out people who speak that language. Learn a new skill. Paint abstract paintings. Fix up antiques. If Jordan Peterson is correct, your grandparents were very intelligent. What did they do to amuse themselves. The human experience is what it is. Rise above it.

[@cheyennealvis8284]

"LET'S SEE PAUL ALLAN'S IQ STATISTICS."

[@slaw1448]

*Allen

[@thomasbarker8779]

Ugh. Why can’t I be this funny?

[@anthonyju6392]

"Look at the verbal intelligence score. OMG he even scored high in spatial mathematics."

[@WillProwse]

​@@thomasbarker8779 Right it's too good

[@WillProwse]

​@@anthonyju6392 🤣🤣

[@turbo32coupe]

As an addendum to my previous post.. My daughter is gifted. Her IQ was tested at an early age and it was 155. I tested mine for comparison. It was 146. She went to a university with a major in microbiology. She told me it was not that challenging and that she wanted to do something in addition. I asked her what she wanted to do and she said she always enjoyed Greek and Roman history. I said: " Go for it." She went to the registrar and as to be a double major. They said she couldn't because Greek and Roman history was in a different college at the University. It would be a dual degree. She said: "Whatever, sign me up." They tried to discourage her because they thought she might not be able to handle it. The university requires everyone to do a summer session, even if you don't need the credits. I asked her what she was going to take and she said it was one of her microbiology courses. I asked why just one course, and she said that the only other course that would fit is "bee keeping" I said to take it, it might be fun. Later, my daughter was dating a grad student in the department of entomology. The department was going to Greece to study mosquitos. She asked if she could go because she would get credit for both microbiology and the classics. The head of the group was the head of the entomology department. When she looked over my daughter's transcript, she said: "With your microbiology credits, and your BEE KEEPING course, you are only 2 courses away from a minor in entomology. My daughter graduated from a University with two degrees and a minor in four years. She is now a Board Certified Veterinary Anesthesiologist. We are very proud of her. She went into veterinary medicine because she said: "Animals are nicer than people."

[@thommysides4616]

I really enjoyed reading this about your daughter. God bless her and your entire family!

[@turbo32coupe]

@@thommysides4616 Thank you. I appreciate the good thoughts.

[@SALTYCOMBATDIVER-ExInstructor]

Wow, talk about making a big deal out of such a useless number. My father was a very successful veterinarian and his career included large and small animals as well as 'biodefense' (now called gain of function) and comparative medicine (lab animal clinical research). I have also worked alongside two separate Nobel Laureates in genetics. Some of the dumbest people think they are really smart which is usually pushed by their parents. My wife and her brother were so proud to be Mensa and they haven't been very smart in so many ways.

[@hungphamviet3543]

Wow, i wish I was as smart as you or her. Seems like you were a great dad as well. Congrats!!!!

[@user-vx1up7ty7z]

@@SALTYCOMBATDIVER-ExInstructor how useless is it when we use it as a standard for deciding who gets accepted into college or even who can join the military

[@martyswaney1098]

The only thing surprising is that people are surprised by this.

[@dixonhill1108]

A) Smart people don't necessarily come across as that smart. There's lot of smart people who don't read etc. You wouldn't know they have a high iq until they do a test. This is especially true with conservative types. Flip side is you can have a mid IQ, read a ton, wear thick framed glasses and pass yourself off as a smart person. B) School system etc wants to take advantage of you.If you let the secret out of the bag people realize how pointless the school system actually is. No teacher wants to admit that the dumb kids are born that way, nor do they want to admit that their students are both smarter than they are, and learning far far less than they should

[@philosopher1a]

LOL good one

[@austinsmith9413]

I had a great grandparent with an IQ of 165 that I was fortunate enough to know as a lad. I have too many stories, but they went from rags to riches, built and worked on some of the most famous bridges in the world, could learn ridiculously fast, was extraordinarily innovative, and could put any and every civil engineer to shame.

[@user-ld8nx3fn1c]

Was there I.Q testing in your great grand parents era?

[@classicallpvault]

@@user-ld8nx3fn1c Cognitive testing has been around for over a century and that 'era' of theirs lasted until at least a few decades ago.

[@ebbyjones3177]

My sister has an IQ of 177 and cant parallel park a car.

[@austinsmith9413]

@@ebbyjones3177 I'm not too surprised. As your intelligence increases, it will typically be biased towards certain fields and occasionally suffers in others. My great-grandparent was a master at visualizing 3 dimensionally, understanding structural loads, and learning how everything works, but wasn't as gifted in other areas.

[@junker7791]

@@austinsmith9413 To add to your statement - this is why exceptional engineers are a bit socially awkward (or at least the stigma exists).

[@renatoruiz8534]

The last time I had my IQ tested was in college. I achieved a score of 135. Unfortunately for me, I had very little discipline and would get by off intelligence alone. I wasn't very driven or ambitious. My youngest brother was born premature and has a learning disability as a result. I'd estimate his IQ to be in the high 80's. If I had his discipline and drive, I'd be a multimillionaire. IQ measures potential, not achievement. Potential can be wasted. Its why I'm so hard on my kids. They're both extremely intelligent. They know I'm more impressed by work ethic.

[@Fighter4Street]

Basically you wrote a whole post humble bragging, admit it or someone agree with me if I am right?

[@Cpt.Phenom]

@@Fighter4Street I know right? Like... WE GET IT-you're able to afford having kids in this economy!!!! dude's just flexing

[@tommyshanks4198]

Are you Steven He's dad?

[@1queijocas]

135 is pretty average for university students

[@renatoruiz8534]

@Fighter4Street how is it humble bragging to point out your own character flaws? Or do you mean I'm bragging about my badass brother?

[@thisisobviouslynotmyrealname]

chronic poor sleep and stress can also affect ones cognition . Maybe not the overall cognitive potential, but it will definitely affect cognitive performance

[@gbone7581]

malnutrition during childhood doesn't help either

[@cg-1973]

Lack of Vitamin D in utero, any sort of head trauma, lack of iodine ...

[@500dollarjapanesetoaster8]

Poor sleep and no vitamins will definitely worsen your state. And home life definitely plays a part. How much can you excel when there isn't enough food, or you eat nothing but junk food, all while dad's in another drunken stupor or mom's neglectful.

[@philosopher1a]

yup

[@fannaffannaf]

Explains for 10 minutes that it's biological, then gets interrupted "how much of that is genetic?"

[@Oldlard]

Apparently podcasting doesn't need much IQ.

[@GoFarAway5338]

and same guy states that it improves with new generations...essentially implying his IQ is likely higher...

[@RichardEnglander]

Scary isn't it 3:55

[@tongpoo8985]

he said nothing about the extent to which it was biological at that point in the conversation.

[@tongpoo8985]

@@GoFarAway5338 he wasn't implying that at all. why would you assume that?

[@insanecowstar3008]

Stupidity is contagious.

[@Misitheus]

...and deadly......Peace!

[@christopherpakney8542]

Miscegenation is deadly.

[@smithsmith9926]

**genetic

[@ppumpkin3282]

Just look at what happens when people join a political party - group think sets in.

[@nocturnaljoe9543]

@@smithsmith9926 Based and blkplld.

[@cactusblob1688]

My IQ tested at 165; everyone asks me why I'm not a politician, physicist or engineer, and I just say 'because it doesn't interest me'. "But you can be anything you want to be!" "I already am."

[@superafrikanmedialabs8237]

Why? Is your need for power low?

[@Durka-Durka]

Which is what? A dentist?

[@BlackBull.]

erm what the sigma

[@SuPeRuNkNoWn..]

@@Durka-Durka Janitor.

[@Rippinsteo2926]

@@superafrikanmedialabs8237the “need for power” is derivative from the fear-based reactivity of the primitive, primal ego mind. Perhaps a higher IQ allows some people to transcend this powerful fear-based reactivity which tends to drive the “need” for dominance, power, and control.

[@Bonk-A-Lonk]

Iv always thought I was stupid, iv never read a book, and I hated school. But when I got into working, I always felt like no matter what job I do, I do better than most people. I always put it down to putting in more effort than the average person along with being able to find fun in any shit job I do. Now I'm just an electrician, and by just working hard and long, iv managed to own three houses at 29 and have a good relationship with my girlfriend and family. I never thought I could do this well. I think it's mostly a natural good work ethic, podcasts, audio books and good idols i naturally gravitated towards growing up like. I feel very fortunate the older I get. Thank you, Jordon Peterson ❤️

[@hessu1223]

Sounds like you're very conscientious which is basically what you said about good work ethic. You might also be lower in openness if you like to see concrete results instead of doing more abstract thinking. That's definitely not stupid.

[@baassiia]

You were just bored. Many gifted people, just feel bored, that's the trick. You know what I heard most from my hids? - mum, I am bored, mum, what's to do next 🤣 it's killing me 🤣 they just want to do something new ALL the time. Restless minds. Can't blame them ;)

[@alanlight7740]

You're "just an electrician"? There's a reason why the GC's always look for a sparky when they want to know what is going on on a job. Not every electrician is brilliant, but most who make journeyman are above average and there aren't many who are truly dumb.

[@Notypls101]

You gonna get a dog? I always wanted to run a trade in a car w a dog and then go home to the farm but that’s just me

[@johnboylan3832]

It is because you are doing something most people can't do and smart people like me got a useless degree.

[@jasonzimmerer8658]

The soldiers of the civil war wrote eloquently and with deep thought and gratitude. The median person today does a dance TikTok. I am skeptical that the IQ median is actually increasing Edit: actually I think I’m not directly referring to IQ. There was a phrase I saw in a class a long time ago that said something like “I will is more important that IQ” I think ultimately I have a problem with the median “I will” and the median wisdom of people today and not necessarily the median IQ.

[@comment8767]

We do not have letters from the illiterate.

[@jasonzimmerer8658]

@@comment8767 fair, but people could memorize bibles verses. And it’s not like we have 100% literacy now

[@sinking1902]

It’s definitely not. People are exposed to more information given modern technology and thus may be more knowledgeable…They are not smarter and may actually be declining on average when it comes to ingenuity and critical thinking.

[@SenatorBluto]

The Flynn Effect is long over. IQ has been steadily dropping for the past 50 years.

[@thommysides4616]

Too much junk food, toxic chemicals, and the like! Your right though..... I love the letter written by the Union Major to his beloved wife Sara, in the early days of the war and a week before his death. His words make me tear up... they are just that beautiful. Prose like that....who writes like that now.... even with a 200 IQ...lol. People just don't talk or think like that anymore!

[@kcw1772]

My child had some really unusual "gifts" from a very, very early age in many areas. He was completely self taught in language and even as a 4 year old, he could read forward, backward and upside down equally fast. Yet, he completely failed at pre-K. I was looking at the work he was doing and showed the teacher the things he was doing at home. She suggested an educational consultant, and part of his testing was two I.Q. tests. He was recommended to a certain school in our area. It was one of the best decisions we ever made for his mental state. He was not bullied. His cousin is far more "accomplished" in the work world, but my son is moral, kind, a good worker, and a good citizen. That is what I had hoped for him ~ to be decently happy and to be at peace. He is. That is success in my book.

[@sciencedaemon]

This reads as actually saying he has some kind of learning disability, autism. Many children at a young age have a spurt of language abilities. It is nothing special, but many parents think it is some kind of miracle. A few years later it fades.

[@sagatuppercut2960]

Maybe he "failed" pre-K (I didn't even know that was possible) because it was too BORING for a kid with his intellect & abilities.

[@jromeo6748]

By second grade all the kids in school know who the smart and not so smart kids are and where everyone else falls in between.

[@debbylou5729]

I’m glad I saw this. Based on our first grade teachers recommendations, second grade saw the much smarter kids grouped together and so in into 4 levels. It worked. The smarter kids weren’t bored out of their minds and the kids that needed more time got it. They weren’t frustrated and acting out because they were lagging behind

[@worldobserver3515]

@@debbylou5729 they definitely don't do that anymore. Everyone is equal.......as some smart kids sit in the back of the room and look at their pencils. Intelligence is not held in high esteem in public education these days, and it's really sad. Civilizational decay will be the result.

[@wcstrawberryfields8011]

​@@worldobserver3515 Huh. That's the opening of Ayn Rand's "Anthem."

[@worldobserver3515]

@@wcstrawberryfields8011 What is? What I said or what I commented on? I don't understand your comment. I don't know Rand's "Anthem."

[@wcstrawberryfields8011]

@@worldobserver3515 I gave you a breadcrumb. You find the next one. If you want. Don't care.

[@TroyHutchinson-qq5ig]

@7:25 ''''''IQ is a vicious predictor of long term success, it's by far the best predictor, it's 5 times as powerful as conscientiousness (which is the next best predictor) conscientiousness is associated with industriousness & orderliness, political conservatism, traditionalism, skepticism towards outgroups (to some degree)''''''

[@geo1134]

Well then why is there very little correlation between IQ and financial success?

[@hannibal8049]

@@geo1134 because Theoretical physicists or Philosophers don't get paid as much as Bankers

[@truxton1000]

@@geo1134 Well I always thought it is a correction.

[@haroldfarquad6886]

That's why there are loads of very competent people in the trades, highly skilled and dutiful workers, but who would be utterly lost trying to study literature or carry on a conversation of abstract ideas. In our modern world dominated by academia's self-interest, that's why such capable people are relatively low in economic success. The dominant orthodoxy prescribes a path to success through abstract academic pursuit and an attitude of a 'global citizen' with no 'in group' preferences - directly contrary to our historical instincts. It's no wonder we're in such dire times, because we have an economic and cultural hegemony that rewards that which makes us least human.

[@TroyHutchinson-qq5ig]

@@haroldfarquad6886 ​ To be precise you are referencing one part of University - The school of humanities. Since Uni became a business, enrollments in the humanities has skyrocketed... Covid exposed some Uni's, some are now begging for a bailout as international study has been slow to get back to pre-Covid levels.... In some countries they already get a bailout as the taxpayer funds 2/3rds of the tuition cost.... there are other pathways for those that don't want to ride the academic gravy train... An officer in the military can see you end up with a nice executive position in one of the defence contractors after 20 years of convincing subordinates that the war is about national defence & not just about emptying the warehouses of old stock...

[@scientificperspective1604]

Genetics determines your potential IQ. Your environment determines what you make of that potential. Thia is the general theory of intelligence.

[@momentary_]

I guess all of Einstein's children, grandchildren and great grandchildren must live in worse environments than he did because none of them have excelled academically and professionally as much as he did.

[@Applepievava]

Over a century, the Africa is not much better

[@James_36]

so in the end success is determined by genetics... so no need to buy his silly 12 rules for life because it wont make any difference

[@scientificperspective1604]

@@James_36 Maybe a highly intelligent person with great genes will decide that it's a good idea to buy his 12 rules.

[@dixonhill1108]

And your environment is largely shaped by genetics. Unless you live in a country where people can't move and relocate, free to associate with whom they want etc.

[@susanrogers6815]

I gather it's not the best idea to allow poor people to use their EBT cards to buy fast food, and parents should definitely stop putting their babies to bed with Mountain Dew in their bottles.

[@Trump2024asw]

Wtf for real do something change it out with milk water something holy fuck.

[@JackMcGuire-em7nt]

social media is making people select for stupidity in mating partners.

[@nelsonx5326]

Fried grouper and grape soda.

[@markwren8260]

Who is doing that psycho move?????????????

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

That sounds like it should be a joke but I am 1000% sure there are multiple people who have put mountain dew in a baby bottle.

[@JimJam-x6t]

I can genuinely believe this and is more prevalent with my generation and younger then any other before. The film idiocracy was like a portal into the future of the human race, if we don't make a change.

[@Volkbrecht]

I think this is why Elon and others are so determined to get off the planet. Humanism has trapped us in a situation where we have all the tools to start optimizing the human race, but at least in the Western world we can't because whichever conceivable road you'd like to take, it's all illegal, unethical, impossible. Meanwhile, the cultures least worried with ideas like that are breeding like crazy.

[@kevmoful]

That tik tok of people committing check fraud had serious Brawndo on the crops vibes.

[@hacunamatata6802]

Women with penises beg to differ!

[@keithmceuen8775]

I’ve met very few actual intelligent people and not all are successful but I’ve met many successful people who aren’t intelligent but have no morals to hold them back and they’ll do anything as long as it benefits them

[@ysf-d9i]

i mean intelligent people don't have morals either. Most people today simply don't have morals because society is built on memememe it's all about my freedoms and live life however I want.

[@darthdaddy7986]

@@ysf-d9i fucked up but true

[@highelf6086]

You dont know if someone is intelligent. If someone is good at talking for example many people think they are intelligent, but they are necessarily not. You can just assume someone is on their achievements/merits.

[@dixonhill1108]

@@highelf6086 It's really easy to figure out someone's IQ if you know the tricks. (Assuming the IQ gap isn't too large) The main thing is group people together. Put 5 people in a room together and rank them 1 to 5. You get in that habit and things get more obvious. I.e. I've grouped my inlaws by IQ. I do it with my coworkers etc. It's a very useful skill to have. It's not at all perfect, but it's something you should be doing. The more you do it the better you get at it. And isn't just figuring out who is smart and who is not, it's figuring them out as persons. I.e. when dealing with my inlaws it helps knowing which parent is gonna process things quicker. It avoids certain arguments. It goes in both directions, sometimes you avoid the smart one because they figure you out sooner lol. I.e. when vacationing where we're going, what we're doing etc.

[@freeone69]

@@highelf6086 yes u can. Some can fake it by only talking about topics they are good at but when u go deeper it becomes obvious. Cracks appear especially in logical expressions and connections. Since there are many categories its hard to say who is and isn't "intelligent" at first. Wisdom/experience needs to be part of the equation when evaluating.

[@kenthhamner2641]

Brain development requires fats which mother’s milk provides.

[@c3bhm]

Nah, chest-feeding by BIRTHING PERSONS is just as good, and if you say anything different then you're a hateful transphobic bigot!!!

[@blaynestaleypro]

Interesting. Like the Lion diet as well.

[@reo52]

Specifically, the brain needs the omega 3 fatty acid DHA for growth and maintenance. Another critical nutrient is choline. Omega 3 fortified eggs are loaded with these two ingredients.

[@WCCXtra]

@@reo52 , I recall a Japanese study that stated the fat deposited in a woman's hip and thigh area have a higher concentration of Omega 3 fatty acids.

[@AlexReynard]

If the mother cannot produce breastmilk, could we instead play a bunch of Fats Domino records for the baby?

[@Micloren]

From what I’ve seen… high IQ people generally don’t select low IQ mates. I think this could explain why certain social groups maintain a much higher differential over the norm.

[@1queijocas]

Yes, dumb people are boring

[@DavidCraig-hd1rj]

Exactly - I think this helps to explain the elites throughout the ages, especially in more hunter/gatherer or agriculturally driven societies.

[@morninboy]

Unfortunatly for me I've had to turn down some stunningly beautiful women because they were just not very smart. These girls wanted me but I knew a life with them would leave me wanting and intelectually frustrated. I remember in my early 20's wishing I was dumb because I just could not get along with so many people. I found them uniteresting and had nothing in common with so many. My favourite was receiving ridicule for trying to have an intelligent conversation. Smart chicks rule

[@DavidCraig-hd1rj]

@@morninboy what you missed out on in physically attractive mates you’ve made up for in your hubris. Thank you for proving his second point about how higher intellect doesn’t translate into a better moral outlook. I’m sure no one has ever complimented you on your humility 😂

[@Micloren]

@@morninboy Yup. I've been around some bombshell women who's intellectual capacity stops at what clothes Kim Kardashian wears to bed and it's unbearable. Even if they were Helen of Troy I wouldn't date them.

[@SophieJjishuaa]

judgmentcallpodcast covers this. Terrifying IQ statistics discussed extensively.

[@Everything-x3e]

It turns out the concept of eugenic was right. High IQ will have high IQ offsprings and IQ is the top predictor of life success

[@PsychologyAttack]

​@@Everything-x3e Yes, it is weird to think otherwise. Like selection methods work both on plants and animals but somehow it does not work on humans? Never understood that idea.

[@Moon-Labs]

I didn't find it particularly terrifying

[@thisisobviouslynotmyrealname]

@@PsychologyAttack its an easy to understand idea, once you realize its a religious idea, not a scientific one. Its meant to guarantee social stability and minimize social tensions. Social stability will also prevail over the search for truth, when the two collide. That explains much of whats going on in western societies right now.

[@PsychologyAttack]

@@thisisobviouslynotmyrealname What are you talking about, iq or eufenics at particular?

[@user-rf9ws7hp3e]

No wonder I’m so unproductive and useless, I have a low I.Q ,and thus ,am comforted by this revelation and the low expectations that accompany it.

[@rockstar-kp2jy]

The brain is a muscle, you can work on it

[@JCK-d4n]

my sister-in-law was told she was retarded (the language of her time) and they put her in special needs classes. She fell for the propaganda that she wasn’t very bright. Yet STILL “thinking” she wasn’t very bright, she accomplished things she was told she couldn’t. So, don’t believe that garbage.

[@joshualopez5649]

Unless you IQ is too low, you can work very hard to have a fulfilling life.

[@rayerscarpensael2300]

That was a pretty smart assesment

[@Stan-b3v]

From each according to their ability. Most everyone strives to be useful and important in some way and almost everyone can find a niche albeit not usually in physics or philosophy.

[@anthonyju6392]

People keep saying that people are getting smarter over time and frankly I see no evidence of that. There were brilliant people in the past and there are brilliant people now. Like JP said that you can stunt intelligence in various ways which is probably something more prevalent in the past and the only reason we might appear to be more intelligent is because in our society we are able to realize more of our potential.

[@denroy3]

Actually, for the first time, U.S. IQ levels are going down.

[@CanadianEhHole]

What we see is people becoming more specialized, particularly in academic fields. Also, general knowledge is up. The issue is that isn't the same as intelligence or wisdom. You being able to read and memorize things is not the same as understanding it on a fundamental level. People's heuristic capabilities is definitely down. Very few people can figure out a DIY project without excessive YT instructions. Bunch of other things like this is why it doesn't seem like people are getting smarter. The last issue I'll point out is compared to what? Education is more prevalent now. Tough to consider what level of education is really being produced when you had people at or near 0 not too long. I'd take the wisdom of someone tutored by Aristotle over the vast majority of PhDs any day. So many insanely talented minds in the past and that's with education being very rare but the ones who got it got a great one in terms of a lot of 1 on 1 tutoring and instruction.

[@anthonyju6392]

@@CanadianEhHole IMO we need more kids playing in sandboxes than to have spoon fed entertainment. Imagination and creativity is one of the markers that set us apart from the animals. Too much education stifles imagination just as too little does. Most people probably only need to know basic algebra which I learned at 13. Most people can probably learn all they need to and be a functioning adult by the time they are 14 or 15. Some people take longer I grant you IMO the standard should be around 15 with advanced education or college starting at 16.

[@ItstheWayfarerWearer]

We are definitely getting dumber. Just read old letters from the american civil war. Even the least educated solider wrote like a poet.

[@anthonyju6392]

@@ItstheWayfarerWearer I know the letters you're talking about but I don't know about the dumber part. Cherry picked letters for me is not very convincing. Believing that is like saying people were not illiterate back then. No doubt that the letters written were impressive and I would wager that most people would have trouble expressing themselves at the same level but there are always exceptional people. I do think that elites think the average person is dumber than they really are. But what is fact is that elites are not as smart as they think they are.

[@akultisgod5538]

in my case, as in many cases, the brain plasticity can be used as an opportunity to create one's self, increasing iq, changing personality, and developing skills even where potential didn't exist.

[@paulxavier331]

A re-tread of some old points here. But Jordan is looking and sounding as good as ever. Thanks Dr. Peterson.

[@cluckycluck3053]

I have an IQ of 60 and have already won two Nobel prizes.

[@NoName-cx3gk]

@@cluckycluck3053 nice

[@da1vinci1edi]

who gives a sh1t what this sellout says

[@travisjazzbo3490]

@@cluckycluck3053 That's not too bad!

[@dooleyjlt5503]

​@@cluckycluck3053You mean to say that you got two prizes for a job well done from Nobel Romans? Just kidding.... I think that IQ scores being high means that you test well. I am believing myself more and more to have Asperger's and so I often spend lots of time asking what the particular question is asking rather than just asking a first interpretation of the question. Turns out that is a trait of autism. I think Asperger's is a term that SHOULD be used. It describes where at on the spectrum a person is.

[@stevemeisternomic]

IQ has not gone down. Ignorance has gone up.

[@joss8558]

IQ has gone down. This is mostly due to medical advances allowing feeble individuals to survive long enough to reproduce. Physical and mental weakness is correlated, so when we allow the weak to survive, we reduce intelligence.

[@Rippinsteo2926]

And brainwashing (instead of what we would want there to be, regular reading, writing, and arithmetic learning) within academia has gone up so that more people will parrot the preferred narratives.

[@butchthurman4685]

What research have you done on this?

[@Rainy_Day12234]

The more we learn as a species ignorance increases across all levels of intelligence.

[@1BitcoinBeliever]

I would venture to guess this is somewhat influenced by the moronic assumption that building on technology developed by someone else makes this generation smarter than the last. So many fail to grasp how they stand on the shoulders of giants.

[@Pooua]

When I was in high school, it was common for academic systems to encourage intellectually gifted individuals. My high school had stratified classes, with four tiers: Disabled, Regular, Enriched and Honors. When I was introduced to the school district, half-way through my freshman year, I was placed in Regular classes. In my junior year, I was placed in Enriched classes. About that time, I was IQ tested for possible placement in the districts Gifted and Talented program. In my senior year, I was placed in the Honors tier and the Gifted and Talented program. However, a year or two after I graduated, the school district disbanded the whole arrangement and placed everybody on the same track. Since that time, I've seen quite a lot of promotion of the idea that everybody is a genius, all it takes is opportunity to reveal it. Thanks guys. You did too little, too late, and then you dropped the ball to help me.

[@rosalvabooksllc354]

Being acknowledged as a genius or not should make little difference. Do something with your abilities anyway.

[@Pooua]

@@rosalvabooksllc354 When I was in 7th Grade, my Math class consisted of the teacher telling everybody in the class to work through all the problems in our math textbook. He did give us some classroom instruction, helpful advice, such as, "Of means times." For the most part, though, our Math class consisted of working through increasingly lengthy addition and subtraction problems. Our work was graded by the three students (all girls) who had the best scores in the class, with the teacher taking a consulting role in the event of an issue. About this time, I was learning about algebra, through my reading in encyclopedias. I couldn't understand most of what I read, so I asked questions about it. Nobody seemed willing or able to help me. I was told that I should not worry about that more advanced stuff until I completed my textbook with 100% scores on all the addition and subtraction problems. I can't remember if we got to multiplication and division that year or next, though we had covered the topic years prior. The next year--8th Grade--the same teacher handed out the same Math textbook and told us to begin at the beginning and work our way through. We would not be progressing until we completed all the problems correctly. So, yes, having a high IQ means that a person can do some things that other people can't, but no, it does not mean that one is unaffected by the system in which one finds oneself.

[@freeone69]

europe has different classes like this

[@MiMiiViVi]

A higher-than-average IQ gives one an edge in academics, and possibly business success, but there are many very high IQers that don't pursuit these goals and live happily raising bees, jarring honey and studying rocks.

[@tinalaursen8993]

Rocks are fabulous! And nothing is more fascinating than spending hours hunting for some treasure you then have to cart back home. You get cardio, weight lifting, mental stimulation and usually don't have to talk to anyone. A perfect day. 😂

[@colorado841]

They are minerals not rocks!

[@rosalvabooksllc354]

Painting, dancing, etc.

[@davidparker9676]

Many of the highest scoring people I have known were not very motivated to "achieve" in the eyes of society. The extremely high ones had trouble functioning in society and social situations. It can be a bit of a curse being on either tail of the distribution.

[@davidparker9676]

@@rosalvabooksllc354 Those are typically not markers of high intelligence. There are lots of murals and people dancing in the slums.

[@shugyosha7924]

When I was a kid people always used to tell me I was smart, and I always believed myself to be smart, until I got a job with other smart people - then I stopped feeling so smart.

[@ThatTylerGuy963]

After talking/working with some people, I realized I feel like I'm not as sharp as I thought - like a burnt chicken nugget.

[@andyman8630]

@@ThatTylerGuy963 freshly burned? or already eaten?

[@ThatTylerGuy963]

@@andyman8630 already eaten 😔

[@andyman8630]

@@ThatTylerGuy963 to clarify, waste deposited? or "in tranisit"?

[@ThatTylerGuy963]

@@andyman8630 waste deposited

[@sheilah4525]

Pick up a book, after learning to read, turn off your social media lies, cover all your mirrors, begin to learn and try growing up.

[@George-ph5pz]

It saddens me that men of Dr Peterson’s calibre are not leading the country. The difference between him and Starmer is depressing.

[@tentimetex]

Perhaps for precisely the reasons he lays out in this talk: The fact of ingrained biological differences in IQ is so frightening and difficult to accept, that most people prefer a social policy which pretends that it isn't true, quite understandably.

[@George-ph5pz]

@@tentimetex But policies that inevitably lead to worse real-world outcomes, no matter how pleasant sounding. Communism in a nutshell I guess.

[@david-self-improvement5887]

Most UK politicians are Oxford/Cambridge grads or went to one of the best universities in the world or in the UK. Keep quiet

[@adamgates1142]

Jordan would be like Starmer but with alot more tears. Careful what you wish for...

[@George-ph5pz]

@@david-self-improvement5887 You think credentialism translates to competence? Do I really have to explain empiricism to you?

[@mrknarf4438]

The book "Outliers" has an interesting take about IQ: you need a decent amount to get to the top, but more than that doesn't quite help, and you'd be better off being well-rounded in other aspects than being a flat-out IQ "genius". Also environment may not impact IQ, but it will impact your socialization, opportunities, and mindset, all imperative to do great work.

[@BadMannerKorea]

@@mrknarf4438 I’ve read that book and it’s flawed. It’s overwhelmingly the case that people with higher IQ tend to be better off in numerous metrics and overall in modern day life. All Gladwell did was find a few people who had high IQ and couldn’t make something of themselves for various reasons, aka outliers about outliers.

[@MrShysterme]

This is just basic sufficient versus necessary and limiting factor (such as plant growth where you can't just hit all gas and no brakes on let's say water and expect super plants). By the way, I can't stand Malcolm Gladwell and consider him extremely overrated.

[@dixonhill1108]

@@BadMannerKorea Gladwell is flawed most of the time. His 10,000 hour thing gets me laughing. His argument is it takes 4 years of work to become an expert at something. The reality is it's a relative thing. A non expert can't spend 4 years at something if they're not becoming an expert at it.

[@debrabowen4276]

I have the only high IQ in my immediate family. In my 5 cousin groups, each has one high IQ sibling. All the parents involved are in the range of 100 - 130. All of the smart kids are in the 150 range. There’s also a lot of autism in the family. Weird.

[@dixonhill1108]

Yeah something similar with me and my inlaws/cousins. Both the autism and high IQs. Both me and my wife are relatively smart and our family members are a good bit smarter than us. It's assortitive mating at its finest. Honestly it's just depressing when you realize we have an IQ wall and it's occurring in our social lives. One of the trends I'm noticing is how many smart people are choosing lifestyle over gross earnings. Pretty much everyone I know is underemploying themselves. Canada doesn't reward success instead it punishes you with success. All the good jobs are in the cities they're exploding in population. The smart thing to do is get out, buy a cheap house in rural areas and work low effort low stress jobs. And have all the time in the world for your intellectual hobbies.

[@AstonM6]

The U.S. is no longer 100. I'm seeing figures of 97. I wonder what could be dragging us down? (sarcasm)

[@Underdoge_]

actually this is an important question, we don't know why it's going down and how to increase it in general

[@michaelsmelt5218]

Shitty diet

[@Johnnyappl3seed63]

@@Underdoge_ probably technology making everything easy and immigration

[@TheRealSteveMay]

​@@Underdoge_it's not difficult to figure out, it's just politically incorrect. IQ averages by demographic are known. Demographic shift in the U.S. is also an ongoing phenomenon that is known. You do the rest.

[@jhonnerr]

well its the extremists on both sides

[@axel8406]

I remember i was in psychology class the professor told the class that society is getting smarter by a couple iq points a year. I refuted that statement by asking him why high-schoolers were not graduating at higher rates instead of lower rates and why only 20 percent were graduating with 12th grade math, writing, and reading. He had no answer and had to basically eat crow.

[@x-LINX-x]

i see it like height; your genes determine how tall you grow but if you're malnourished you'll never reach the height you were meant to. Nowadays young people have terrible diets an don't really go outside, if they do they're usually with a bad crowd an get into substances. Phones then destroy attention spans so they can't even pay attention enough to gain insights. Is real sad

[@NoName-cx3gk]

The government aims to maintain a two-tier society, where people are born into a lower class and are later needed as cheap labor. By keeping education standards low, the system ensures that a significant portion of the population remains undereducated and dependent, fulfilling roles as “working-class slaves.” This could explain why graduation rates are stagnant or declining despite claims of rising IQ scores. The system benefits from keeping people in these lower socioeconomic positions.

[@Executor009]

If you listen again to Dr. Peterson explaining how IQ is measured you will realize one thing: 1.- IQ is relative to the group tested (in the case of the statement of your professor it’s the society), grades are mostly also relative so they’re always adjusting. IQ follows a normal distribution that means MOST people will have average IQ, grades are relative too and they adjust to IQ, that means even if as a whole society is smarter, there will always be smarter people relative to the group. In short, achievement is the horizon that perpetually recedes from the observer.

[@sleepyazureeye4969]

Stimulation scarce environment; from single parent households becoming more common, thus less parental involvement and less stimulation for the child during the early years on average (which as Dr. Peterson said, matters a lot) to the schools teaching to ever lower standards, "lowest learner" policies means that teachers are forced to make material to the weakest students and further deprive stronger students of stimulation, a marked reduction in the respect for teachers (both from society in terms of payment and from the childrens own parents, as well as from the government in the tools teachers have to punish students) which translates to children having no respect for the schools, the education system and even to learning itself, children are not getting enough stimulation and thus are shutting off. They're turning to their phones, which shortens their attention span. For just one example, if before we saw youtube videos that lasted three, five, ten minutes being the norm, now it's youtube "shorts" and TikTok videos of one minute. They're turning to destructive social activities such as drinking (alcohol crosses the brain blood barrier, and rewires your brain to perform worse even after the intoxication wore off), smoking and that age-old "locker room talk" which accompanies addiction to adult material. Your teacher might've not known why something was the case, but that doesn't mean they were wrong. If you're a frequent Dr. Peterson listener, you'll know he says he and his wife often have discussions and he is very adapt at verbal communication so if he is in an ornery mood he can just cut through what she says structurally, without engaging with her point, but the fact he can do that doesn't mean what she said has no merit even if she doesn't know how to properly formulate it or support it. Same applies to your teacher.

[@axel8406]

@@sleepyazureeye4969 my teacher was a professor of psychology that was also a practicing psychiatry. He made the statement to allude that kids now are smarter than kids 20 years ago and pretty much broke down what you just said. So maybe he was alluding to college age kids that went to that school but he never clarified. When I brought up those stats, I also broght up the point that school curriculum was being dumbed down to the lowest denominator. When I brought these up, he had no answer to give the class. He also told the class that the filed of psychology was a soft science and once a student realized why then they would understand why it's actually a pseudo science. Psychology was my minor until my 4th year of college. I got tired of reading studies and seeing all the assertions that were made. It also got tiresome to do reports on subject while being arbitrarily restricted to only being able to cite papers that were at most 10 years old. Which is still happening, my sister in law just recieved her masters in psychology and she was also restricted to that 10 year standard. There is a lot wrong with how psychology finds supposed answers to people's thinking. Alot of it is just stating truisms o really weak evidence. My major is Ina STEM field where you need a high standard of evidence before you can even make a claim of correlation but psychologist can take a case study and generalize it across whole populations.

[@robinhoodwinker8621]

All these grandiose predictions about the future, yet Idiocracy remains the most accurate so far

[@Moon-Labs]

It has electrolites!

[@dixonhill1108]

Seriously if you lived in southern Canada you'd get it. I swear on my life the average IQ in certain neighborhoods has dropped by 5 points in 5 years. Smart immigrants are both leaving and not coming, because our standard of living has decayed to 3rd world levels. The recent wave of immigrants are really really dim. Add to that poor usage of the English language and it's like wow. It use to be a meme most cab drivers are doctors etc in their home country. Nowadays it's pretty much the extreme opposite; Even if they have relatively good english, their reasoning skills are just atrocious. I.e. the delivery driver puts my groceries on the steps outside my building, and puts them exactly on top of where there's a quarter inch thick layer of bird shit. Mind you this is a guy working for tips, he just isn't that bright. I've seen this pattern again and again. Just mind boggling poor decision making.

[@tim7054]

1:00 I'm sure she is a good statistician, but as a math researcher I confirm that most awards are unfortunately often forced (or strongly encouraged) to have a minimum number of women among the winners/nominees (same as for hirings - you need to fill a quota). This undoubtedly makes it much easier for a woman in math to get an award than a man (as they are so few) and makes awards to women in math feel "second rate" for those aware of the practice.

[@TravelingMooseMedia]

I have taken 2 IQ tests. I took 1 at the age of 8 and received a score of 143 through the school. The admin said it was the highest at the school. Later, at the age of 17, I took a second IQ test and received a score of 154. I have never studied through my life and used intuitive pattern recognition and memorization skills to learn multiple languages, computer languages, get high marks on exams, and pretty much succeed in all aspects of life. I’m typically skilled in every endeavor I’ve ever attempted, as there is just some insight I find immediately to ensure success. Sometimes I will pass people on my first try, with something they have studied for years. For example, the high school chess captain offered me a game, and taught me the rules. I crushed him with a checkmate on move 42 and I can recount the entire game 12 years later. People typically don’t believe I’ve “only been learning *insert skill here* for a week!?” And it fills me with joy. IQ is a devilish beast that can bring harmony to life, or it can bring ruin.

[@Moon-Labs]

That's a combination of IQ and insane working memory and executive function

[@rdefendr1737]

Hard work beats intelligence when intelligence doesn’t work hard.

[@morninboy]

I know my IQ from a grade three test.I find math easy and excell in spatial reasoning to the point that I've corrected drawings for a world famous architect, fix mistakes by engineers and designers constantly, correct plan checkers oversights, won a designer an award with a small change, influenced another designer with a new stair design he claims is his, design homes with not training in the field and won an international award for a patented invention. Now give me a legal form and it is near impossible for me to understand as I slowley mull over the legal ease to gain clarity. Along with that I have a writing disorder that has only been recently understood. This kept me out of any university as it would take me three days to write a simple four page essay due to all the necessary changes to make it clear what I was trying to explain. I'm incredibly thankful for modern computers as I can now rewrite and change sentences with ease. They have changed my life and helped me learn how to write without all the frustrations of putting pencil to paper over and over again to achieve an understandable final result. Lucky kids these days with the same problem.

[@n.j.dougherty4872]

I have a hearing problem. Not volume but sound. This impact my ability to spell and read out loud. The Bain will adjust allowing you to work around. Had a very successful career in the military, retired as an O6.

[@kkarllwt]

I have always hated any kind of writing, spelling homework in the 4 the grade.ETC Any english course. Never passed one, or participated. I have never written a term paper. 130/135.

[@Alex-uz6bk]

I can relate. By no means do I consider myself to be of below-average intelligence, but If it wasn't for the editing features of word processing software I probably wouldn't have made it through college. As a bonus, I could recycle essays. 😁

[@bobdillen5641]

You think you know your IQ from ONE test you did in grade THREE (!!!) ???

[@morninboy]

@@bobdillen5641 And someone smarter than you can read as well as comprehend. Knowing the result of a test in grade three is what was said. It was not a claim about current cognative abilities. Good job of pretendig you're smart

[@chopeltashhi]

I had the highest IQ in my elementary school, I also had the lowest grades.

[@joycecottingham9432]

Maybe you were autistic or dyslexic?

[@gailnichols842]

I've noticed that it's possible to understand what is going on in the head of a person with the same or less intelligence than yourself, but not a person with more intelligence than yourself.

[@HuntingTarg]

Oh it is possible. I read a story about James Cameron writing "Interstellar" that told of how he had brought on a physicist to help him understand his astrophysical plot devices better, because he didn't want to write 'junk science' for them. He interviewed him at length for several sessions, and then he explained that one day, it was clear to him what was really going on in the theories of the two objects, the wormhole and the black hole; he wrote the scenes in less than three weeks, and then the insight was gone. For that brief period, he understood something beyond his native ability and outside his field of expertise - through association and Deliberate Practice.

[@DrPoorsight]

Anyone remember when the movie Idiocracy was set for a major theatre release but was pulled by the studio to be sent straight to DVD instead?

[@adamgates1142]

I heard that this was a personal Vendetta the studio had for Mike Judge. Maybe something to do with him dunking on corporate America so hard. That being said the sets are so bad in Idiocracy it does kinda feel like a straight to video kinda movie. It is not the classic people make it out to be but it is a pretty funny Sunday afternoon flick.

[@darylfoster7944]

It actually did play at 130 theaters in seven cities, but it didn't get wide release.

[@bigneiltoo]

Still not available on Blu Ray.

[@dixonhill1108]

The movie itself sucks, the first 10ish minutes is amazing and then it degrades into being just a total dud. I watch it for educational purposes not because I think it's particularly good.

[@garethleitner9547]

The documentary "Idiocracy" explains the reasons for the IQ decrease.

[@TD-es5py]

If they had used Pepsi instead of Coca cola, they surely would have done better 😂

[@Impaled_Onion-thatsmine]

​@@TD-es5pydown syndrome

[@beyond_the_infinite2098]

In High School we all took the PSAT. There was a guy who got poor grades, would read the Berkeley Barb in class, and generally goofed off. He took the PSAT and achieved the highest score ever recorded. Admin thought he must have cheated somehow and made him take another PSAT while watching him. He scored even higher the second time.

[@oldpoet313]

Removal of stressors and mental barriers can increase IQ

[@DTreatz]

probably not, increasing IQ isn't properly defined. Increasing the *CEILING* of people's IQ =/= increasing their *ABILITY* to hit *THEIR CEILING* We need the _former_ and the _latter_ , not just the latter, and there is no data to indicate we can increase the former.

[@stevenfenster1798]

I have noticed that those who write statistics textbooks are required to have essentially no ability to write. That observation, if confirmed, would confirm Peterson's assertion that combined verbal and mathematical intelligence in an individual is rare.

[@dixonhill1108]

It's a meme in engineering circles that they struggle with basic grammar. FYI Peterson makes a lot of bad takes due to his poor spatial and mathmatical intelligence. Pareto's rule can be incredibly depressing. But it can also be incredibly uplifting. I.e. yes some small number of people are gonna have all the money. But when you look inwardly things really brighten up. All of your failures come from a tiny number of things. A lot of your best experiences come from a small number of things. I.e. My days succeed or fail based on what I do first in the morning. If I go to my computer it's pretty much a certainty I'l waste my day. It's really the first 15 minutes of my day that decides everything. If I open up youtube my day is over. If I make a 1 minute decision to not be around my computer the first half of my day goes quite well. Around mid day I get a mood change. Usually I run out of steam and this is where my brain again starts making decisions. If I then go to the computer I'm done for the 2nd half. If I can power through that mid day/afternoon wall I usually can get usage out of my full day.

[@joelcastillo5828]

Smart enough to know I'm dumb, not smart enough to do anything about it.

[@edwardpaddock2528]

As one's IQ gets farther above 100, the less accurate the measurement becomes. (The actual intent of the original test, was to find areas of deficits, not to measure exceptionality.) You can't really increase the 'average IQ' as the average IQ, by definition, is 100.

[@pourmoi6793]

what about the actual test as of today ? is the intent and measurement the same as the original one ?

[@edwardpaddock2528]

@@pourmoi6793 It is the function of the design

[@jeb6361]

Those that are loudest discussing their IQ scores are often the least intelligent.

[@Moon-Labs]

That doesn't mean anything really though, it's just opinion, although yeah, people want to be smart and not dumb. And normally quasi smart people think they are smarter than they are.... actually peoples conception of how smart they are sometimes is just experiential in terms of their cohorts, family, confidence in their abilities

[@vario2664]

The correlation between race and IQ is the 'REAL' frightening take-away! Never near absolute, but enough to come to a reckoning of what you can expect of meaningful percentages of the races.

[@philosopher1a]

yup

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Have they checked the latest figures from Britain..? Must be at record lows.....??

[@dallassukerkin6878]

Well, we've imported a quarter of our population from the lowest bottom of the lowest barrel :(

[@x-LINX-x]

probably. The youth are regressing because of modern lifestyles and we're getting a bunch of married cousins coming in. The NHS is meant to be spending more every year on genetic issues caused by parents with too similar genes. I've heard somewhere that cousin marriage results in an instant 10 point drop in offspring but not sure if true 🤔🤷

[@michaelbuick6995]

​@x-LINX-x That last part is definitely true and 10 is probably a low end estimate. It could be 15 points. The effects of inbreeding depression on IQ are catastrophic.

[@ShunyamNiketana]

I don't live in Britain but have British ancestry, so that qualifies me, I hope, to offer that kids everywhere offload too much mental labor to their computers and the internet; at the same time, while they learn to be rhetorically clever, they tend to "think" emotionally and not logically. Watching videos and commenting rewire the brain in dumb ways.

[@bradp686]

We are in reverse Darwinism. All the low IQ's are pumping out the kids.

[@lulumoon6942]

For every Standard Deviation above the norm the greater your alienation from your fellow man.

[@jas340]

Nailed it.

[@Philip-f2w]

I know someone who is 4 standard deviations above normal who is also exceptionally good at relating to people in a friendly way.

[@do-you-even-lift]

@@Kimi-7678cool story, bro

[@dixonhill1108]

I see this play out with my inlaws. It's painful to watch. Left wingers preaching about diversity etc. Meanwhile the sister in laws wedding is exclusively high IQ, blue eyed white people. She lives in a very very diverse neighborhood. Meanwhile I'm a devote country hick and my wedding was much more racially diverse. It was very jarring seeing all of the children with blue eyes and blond hair. Like these are the wokest of the woke, and there's more Germans than brown people(this is statistically quite rare in Canada). But she's in this ultra well off, ultra smart, ultra white(by Canadian standards) bubble. It's so bizarre how intensely they preach the left wing stuff, and inversely don't live in the world they preach for.

[@MrSzoSs]

The more terrifying thing is how many taltented people go unnoticed because of early trauma, mental health etc

[@Patrickhenry17seventysix]

Idiocracy becoming more real by the day

[@carlsapartments8931]

I'm pretty sure the next person elected into Mitch McConnells seat is going to be; Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho (soon to be President)

[@NightsideOfParadise]

Rank countries based on how over all developed they are. Now you also have ranked countries pretty well based on iq. Now take a look at what places in history were most advanced regionally. Europe, East Asia, mesopotamia/Anatolia. That's uncomfortable.

[@benny399]

Sup groyper

[@iamsumwareiamsumware4918]

2 questions. 1/ have you ever looked into how IQ averages were taken in countries in Africa? I think if you did you would see what nonsense an IQ map is. 2/ can you explain to me why Americans in the 1920’s scored more than 30 points less than Americans today (ie if you don’t adjust the american scores AMERICANS of 1920 score lower than NIGERIANS of today) Curious why you think that is?

[@kc95847]

Simple look at at Northern Europe did they have ancient civilization? No tribal people aka Germanic tribes including your people 😂 Now that’s uncomfortable! Also you forgot two regions Subsaharan Africa and Americas: -Aztec/Maya civilization -Kushite empire a black civilization 1000 years before Rome/Greece 😂 Rome/Greece were closer to Egyptians than Northern barbarians by the way

[@skylinefever]

This is why I joked about the very high IQ and low birth rates in South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Japan being on the bottom 10 list.

[@abc-df1vg]

@@iamsumwareiamsumware4918 1 question What do your questions have to do with the claims JP is making about IQs success in predicting outcomes. There are NO scientists at the cutting edge of human knowledge that score 100 on an IQ test. IQ measures something in humans that correlate to abstract ability. Whether you value abstract ability or not, IQ does measure that capacity.

[@ReoL_17]

The only reason this terrifies and upsets people is because it destroys narratives about why they fail and disabuses them of their narcissism.

[@worldobserver3515]

The reason they don't want to hear it is that their fate is sealed. IQ of 95? You're working at Walmart. No one wants to hear that.

[@twistedspine7300]

@@worldobserver3515 not really. i mean i understand your point, but with things like social media (youtube, tiktok etc) people with below average IQ's are making a lot of money. that's the power of leverage. there's ways around low IQ with modern technology if we're talking strictly about financial success. entertainers are a good example (actors, influencers.)

[@Kimi-7678]

Yes, they would have to stop blaming other people and would understand that many things are their fault. And they wouldn't be so confident and happy after that realization.

[@dixonhill1108]

It goes both ways, if you have a high IQ and you fail it's not because you're special. It's because you're a true failure. Failing while having a high IQ is relatively common, and it's also a something narcissists hate.

[@Darrell9000]

You can measure conscientiousness by looking at a person’s credit score.

[@carlsapartments8931]

excellent, mine is almost topped out can't really get much higher maybe just a few but that's the very top.

[@MegF142857]

I don't know. Credit can get wrecked by things out of your control.

[@gezenews]

Mine is 750. Parents paid off my credit card recently as rates went up. They were paying my bills already and didn't want to pay the interest. Nearly 20,000 all spent at college and work for a few years after, on wendys and weed. Credit score tells you nothing.

[@freeone69]

i cant believe 12 people liked this ignorant comment. u must be living in a different world than most people born poor.

[@mikestratford7252]

Are you going off assumption or is there data behind what you’re saying? Genuinely curious. I would imagine you’d be correct in that there is a correlation, but I doubt it would be limited to just that. Highly disagreeable people, for example, would definitely not pay certain things just to spite someone under the right circumstances. I would imagine neuroticism would correlate in one way or another, too. Interesting thought.

[@coachjensen433]

It only declines, if you don’t develop your mind.

[@ironmonkey1512]

everything gets harder as you age

[@debraberg1763]

​@@ironmonkey1512not Everything.

[@wheatandtares9764]

@@debraberg1763 😂😂😂

[@captainsoftheazulcarrib7491]

I love listening to Dr Peterson! Thank you👍🏻

[@Jontyfarmer]

I have an IQ of >100 but I used to think turkeys were male chickens

[@gorkyd7912]

North Korea is one of the highest IQ countries on earth, supposedly. They worship a fat, murderous dictator like a god and they blame America for everything that ever goes wrong.

[@gbone7581]

city smart not country smart

[@sostrows]

and Chicken of the Sea is made out of which animal....?

[@johnroberts3824]

If I was smarter I'd figure out a way to raise my IQ. Then I'd be smarter.

[@joshuacarrasco1651]

🧐

[@Ronin3453]

🤓

[@brianblumberg7599]

I think smarter people generally don't think that way. It's like having a lot of drinking water, at some point you don't wanna keep on hoarding

[@JosephGEvans]

Don’t know about that, but I’ve always suspected that a smart enough person could fake being smarter still.

[@raz0rcarich99]

JP is out of the loop on that question. There is weak to moderate evidence for the benefits of brain training techniques like N-Back training. Meditation is another big one. Besides fitness, nutrition and general health, I also believe meaning in life (passion, intrinsic motivation) is a significant predictor of IQ, maybe the most significant one after genetics. You can't think straight when you're depressed, let alone when your soul is dying (and not coincidentally, this is reflected in your body dying through a chronic stress response, which if bodily health is a significant predictor of IQ as JP insinuates, that counts for something).

[@imvikrant17]

00:05 Having a high IQ leads to high variability in intelligence 01:27 IQ is highly biologically determined 02:51 IQ is a strong predictor of success 04:14 IQ is predicted by parents' average IQ, adjusted for regression towards the mean. 05:26 Maintaining cognitive ability through physical exercise and nutrition is crucial. 06:53 IQ is a strong predictor of success 08:11 IQ is not the only measure of conscientiousness and productivity. 09:27 Warning about the luciferian temptation of intellect Crafted by Merlin AI.

[@malcolm_in_the_middle]

There's a simple reason why global IQ is decreasing - but we're not allowed to talk about that in public.

[@samuelknight957]

Race to the bottom.

[@danielbrstak5730]

What is that reason ?

[@malcolm_in_the_middle]

@@danielbrstak5730 We're not allowed to talk about it. Think about topics that will get you cancelled, apply some logical reasoning, and you will be able to work it out.

[@jamesandrew1750]

08:45 maybe they could measure consientiousness by leaving them alone in the waiting room with an untidy magazine rack, a piece of rubbish by the bin, a small amount of spilt drink on a wooden surface with a pack of tissues nearby etc and see which ones sort out the mess. Some people always leave a place better than when they found it.

[@x-LINX-x]

that could just be ocd, i've done that stuff before but give up because it's a losing battle. It irks me seeing people just leave their McD's wrapping wherever they sat... Usually certain groups of people

[@mustaphad1319]

Or just see if they come to the lab on time. See how they manage emotional control

[@Ronin3453]

​​@@cookiecracker2lol. It is about measuring conscientousness not IQ.

[@IncandescentSliverOfEternity]

Except that's measuring disgust sensitivity, not conscientiousness.

[@Ronin3453]

@@IncandescentSliverOfEternity JP says they use the same brain circuit.

[@willarchambault3776]

I propose a workout journal as a conscientiousness test. Every day you miss working out you lose points.

[@M0481]

If IQ tends to regress toward the mean, wouldn't that suggest that the extremes (very high or low IQs) become less common over time, leading to a narrower distribution overall? This would mean that extremely high or low IQs would gradually become rarer. However, for the distribution to remain normal, some level of randomness would need to persist. This randomness would allow for the occasional birth of individuals with extremely high or low IQs, thereby preserving the normal distribution's shape.

[@txdmsk]

Regression of the mean is more like a rule of thumb than a rule. Cognitive horsepower is a very complex interconnection of various genes and environmental factors. It is entirely possible to keep breeding humans in a way that the "mean" is either raised or lowered. If you just breed out a gene from a bloodline that makes thinking harder then congratulations, the mean just got lowered.

[@erynlasgalen1949]

Good point. Some people have to exceed the average IQ of their two parents minus a few points, or we'd all be getting less intelligent.

[@M0481]

​@@txdmsk I understand that it’s possible to continue breeding humans in a certain way. However, the point I’m making is that the claim Dr Peterson is making indicates that we would be trending toward a narrower distribution of traits over time. As a result, both higher and lower IQ levels may become less common unless we intervene, as you suggested-though such interventions could quickly take a dark turn.

[@txdmsk]

​@@M0481 Oh yes. I think your thesis is supported by evidence. I too worry a lot that the incidence of certain attributes shifts to unwanted directions. For example, since the industrial revolution is it is more and more ridiculously easy to feed people long enough to adulthood. So mentally or otherwise incompetent people reproduce more and more. Thankfully, nowadays a lot of people know about how big a problem fatherlessness is, especially in bl/ck communities in the US where 3 out of 4 kids grow up without a father. But a lot of people tend to blame the bad life outcomes of fatherless children on the father not being present, rather than the fact that the one or both of the parents of such a child is almost certainly anti-social or mentally ill or too dumb or criminal or otherwise difficult to live with or not able to control their urges. I'm saying that a big part of why fatherless kids have bad outcomes is actually that they inherited very low quality genes.

[@M0481]

@@txdmsk That's intriguing, would you mind sharing some of this evidence? I'm not questioning your correctness, genuinely curious and want to dive a bit deeper into the subject matter :)! Note that I updated my previous message slightly, I wanted to make it clear that I'm extrapolating based on the claims made by Dr Peterson.

[@gelationousskin835]

I find people obsessed with iq to often times have the seemingly lowest.

[@odeball22]

People are born smart

[@davidreynolds2126]

I’m super smart 🧐 ::: try to push the door open even though I should be pulling:::

[@LightyAE]

Perhaps you were being unobservant and affiliated with something else, that isn't a sign of low intelligence

[@Moon-Labs]

I walk into glass

[@MAKE_PHOTOGRAPHS_ANYWHERE]

Ph.d er here computer science and average IQ. There are so many elements to IQ and how it relates to success. IQ, EQ, creative q. I have worked with gifted much higher IQ people than me, but many have failed at solving problems that I have been able to do. Just my view but we are not getting the whole picture. When guys score well they want to tell everybody about it. So there are so many dimensions to relative intelligence / success that testing is almost worthless. Dave, from Wendy's burgers had an IQ of 88 and was a high school drop out. He built one of the most successful brands for fast food. I guess my point to all this is dont give up, id rather have an IQ of 100, motivated, empathetic, humble vs an IQ of 150, lazy, arrogant, and not self-aware. ALSO Watch my favorite movie GATTACA . It is so true to real life that I have seen play out so many times. Screw the limiting IQ snobbish idea mindset.

[@Moon-Labs]

I really think executive function & working memory add to the equation as well as abstract problem solving and verbal / mathematical fluency

[@DaveBee120]

This is a great setting for an interview.

[@milescoleman910]

I had an interest in puzzles and math in my 20’s. I tested super high at the time. I know now years later without daily practice I wouldn’t test anywhere near that. It’s pattern recognition mostly.

[@debraberg1763]

If you start practicing, those skills will return very fast.

[@erynlasgalen1949]

You are correct. Every cognitive aptitude test I have ever taken relied on pattern recognition and prediction therefrom.

[@Moon-Labs]

You keep your patterns, i'll keep my abstract problem solving skills

[@laszlobandi6456]

@@debraberg1763 they are and they aren't. I think it's important if you are prepared or not. some score lower because they don't care to make an effort. pattern recognition, focus, obsession. I was at my top at age 14. angry teenager, crazy quick reaction time. later I felt like a moron compared to it. I needed a topic to get interested in and I found it. but didn't make me smarter in generic things. I was wrong a lot if I relied on intuition alone, my brain changed. I was doing these left/right side brain tests. originally 60-40 logical/creative, dependent on which, slightly to left. I know we use both sides of our brain, but there are some weird things I noticed. I could fake or flip results now since I know what is all about. so first time results seem more honest. people who score 50-50, ask them about pyramids and triangles and they got some interesting takes. for guys my friends were on the 60-80 logical side mostly. but girls on creative side seemed smarter and got my jokes more often. there are tests about subconscious or unconscious behaviour patterns and I score more toward right side. I know I force myself to be logical, but I also forced a few patterns that are predominant for creative people. I'm disorganized and chaotic in a few things.

[@dixonhill1108]

That's why good IQ tests are designed to catch people who've gamed the test itself. This is why they have an endless series of ways of testing your IQ. Then they can see where you're doing abnormally well(indicating that you're trying to game the test).

[@hypersonicmonkeybrains3418]

it's unfair that some people have very high IQ, but at the same time, i feel it's unfair that some people excel at combat sports and martial arts and could totally dominate me in any kind of combat situation or strength based sports like strong man. So yea i'm not trying to pander to lower IQ people im just saying theres a wide range of attributes you might have as a human and IQ is not the be all end all.

[@Arquinas]

I agree with this assesment. There are plenty of people who could kick my ass or beat me in a contest of cognitive capability or any other number of metrics. There are even singular persons who could probably beat me in all of the categories combined. It is so easy to think of yourself as better than others, but humbling yourself by acknowledging that there are intelligent people superior to you out there also brings with it a certain level of contendness and satisfaction. Personally, I have always hated competitions and comparisons. Especially in metrics like IQ or physical ability where genetic factors play a defining role. I don't feel good about winning. I'd rather help others be the best they can be with the cards they were dealt.

[@anotherfreediver3639]

Sadly, DNA is a very 'unfair' molecule. Lots of people would *like* it to be fairer, but it ain't!

[@Skippy-s1g]

Why do you think it's unfair?

[@andrewharmon2157]

Nature is not fair. What is fair between a tree and a robin? But we can say that Nature is Just. That is, if you use Nature in a way that is contrary to its nature, you will have a big mess on your hands sooner or later. Is God fair? God is fair in this, that whatever He gave you, if you use it well it will do you ( and others) good and if you use it ill it will do you (and others) harm. Smart people can figure out things that are good for stupid people. How many smart people have to discover electricity compared to how many stupid people use it with benefit. Also, stupid people think that being smart makes every thing easy. Nothing is farther from the truth. Intellectual labor is very real labor and that is the reason so few people choose to engage in it unless they are forced. The real problem with all this is envy. Envy is caused by mean people (smart or stupid) imagining someone else to have some good thing they wish for, and so want to destroy it. How utterly crazy is that, to desire to destroy what you admire? But envy will not show up on an IQ Test. Man can do very little about his IQ, but everything about his morals and it is morals, not IQ, that holds society together. All you people out there wishing you were smarter, just try to be better people; something you can certainly do - and you will make yourself and everyone else happier in whatever kind of world this is.

[@sostrows]

It's absolutely awesome that we have variety of intelligence so that smart people can invent things I can enjoy a generation later.

[@Erik-km3xv]

This is a radical simplification of our current state of knowledge. He is speaking of his own personal literature review he did in the 90s, which was not only before literature reviews were systematized in the methodology of behavioral science, but the evidence and content of the field has changed dramatically since. His account of IQ would need to be integrated with existing accumulated advantage models. One can't help wishing people start reading the literature they want to base their opinions on themselves, rather than turn to the largest media spectacle of the times for his opinion.

[@carneliancaryatid]

I find Peterson's discussions of Luceferian intelligences deeply fascinating.

[@MegF142857]

Fancy name for some people are just evil pricks.

[@ylette]

Me too. It rings true based on how a lot of people are. That quote deserves a video of its own.

[@anthonyscully2998]

I'm surprised that Jordan didn't discuss the nurture aspect. There are great advantages to being raised by smart parents. It's like living with tutors

[@tealkerberus748]

Don't forget the impact that nutrition has on the developing brain. And things like pollution - whether air pollution, water pollution, or food pollution. If it goes into the body and it's polluted, it's going to harm the body, and the brain is a big part of that. Even intangibles like noise pollution from busy intersections or nearby airports have been proven to damage brain development. More affluent parents tend to live in less polluted areas and have access to better quality food for their children. If less affluent parents also lived in clean environments and had access to good quality food, you would see a noticeable improvement in their children's life success.

[@patrickhiggins9633]

We don't get to pick our parents, so it's still basically determined by luck

[@thisisobviouslynotmyrealname]

he did discuss that situation of identical twins that are raised in different environments ( ie, different tutors) and end up with similar IQs

[@williamfeldner9356]

High IQ parents usually have high IQ children, it is biological.

[@tealkerberus748]

@@williamfeldner9356 It's a bit each way. Children from lower IQ biological parents adopted into higher IQ families tend to end up somewhere between what would be expected of a child born and raised in one or the other family. There's also a simple health component. Higher IQ parents tend to be wealthier and to have more free time to pay attention to their kids, so they can afford better nutrition and they're quicker to respond to any illness that might set back their kids' development.

[@appleturnover519]

The very fact of acquiring knowledge feeds the capability of the brain to deal with the outside world and its challenges. The brain can be seen as a muscle; you exercise it and it performs better...as a brain, a thinking brain. Upbringing in a family setting where reason, patience, restraint, dialogues, etc. are almost non-existent directly affect the child's capacity to not only absorb knowledge, but also to process and maximize its usefulness. And by the way, it has been asserted by the scientific community that education, nutrition, and overall upbringing do play a significant role in developing intelligence.

[@bottledwater4484]

Less of a certain population and more of another.

[@Skjeggspir]

Agreed, less of people like you.

[@Dragonologist]

​@Skjeggspir That you know what he's referring too enough to get offended by it and lash out at him shows that you know the truth too.

[@Skjeggspir]

@@Dragonologist I just stated an objective fact. Thank you for admitting you got offended by a fact, darling.

[@Dragonologist]

@Skjeggspir That is not an objective fact. You do not own the truth. What you expressed is a subjective statement that you assume to be the truth. You haven't even stated enough of an argument to truly represent a standpoint. The whole conversation here is veiled in ambiguity.

[@Skjeggspir]

…cried @@Dragonologist in denial after reading the objective facts. Let’s see you cry some more now, you lost the discussion already🤡

[@ninaotan7811]

In relation to standard test here is a true story of a famous mathematician Vladimir Arnold. Among his many academic achievements was solved one of the Hilbert’s problems. However, when he tried to do an American math school test, he failed. Arnold shared this with his American colleague who said something along these lines:”It is because you are not familiar with the level of idiocy of the people who created the test.”

[@tongpoo8985]

*Important:* The studies most commonly cited by the left that test for whether your environment and upbringing has an effect on your IQ are poorly constructed, and they come to the conclusion that your environment has a very large effect on your IQ. They're poorly constructed because all they do is test your IQ and categorize the results by your environment, and use that to draw conclusions about how non-genetic factors affect IQ (poor vs rich, rural vs urban, good school/bad school, etc.). The problem with that is that it ignores the fact that more intelligent people are more likely to move to cities and be successful in life and move to rich areas with good schools. And the children being tested in these studies are the children of these people who live where their intelligence is likely to determine that they do. So they're not even isolating for the variable they're trying to test for 🙃 yet these studies are cited absolutely everywhere with such a glaring flaw. And I think we know exactly why that is... it's too uncomfortable to admit that it's almost entirely genetic. We have a major problem with people lying via invalid statistics. These studies would be more valid if it measured the deviation from the parents' IQ when the parents grew up in a different environment and socioeconomic background than the kids. Or twin studies like the ones Peterson is citing, those are the most valid because the variable of upbringing is as isolated as it can possibly get, with genetics being precisely the same between the twins.

[@DontKillFriends]

I think this comment would have been "smarter" if you didn't start off with "cited by the left" like that the entire point of life is right vs left. Both sides misrepresent studies. Sometimes it's intentional, sometimes it's unintentional. Also, to name the flaws of research papers in this case: Are you qualified to do that legitimately or are you citing what you read on a right-wing website about these things? Did you read the studies yourself and understand the mechanisms fully? I'm actually not saying I disagree with you or Peterson here. All I'm really outlining is that once you make things political and then allege misrepresentation, things become both much more binary but, also the requires become much more specific. I prefer the conversation about IQ stay apolitical.

[@VonJay]

In terms of the hierarchy of needs, if you're poor and thinking about food, safety, and you're self esteem constantly, your bandwidth for school would be quite low. When we went from hunter gatherers to farmers, this decresed the bandwidth needed to hunt for animals, and increased in other areas that may have indirectly lead to other societal inventions.

[@Nickers19]

You are making it as if the left is a monolith and there aren't a plethora of studies on intelligence. Which isn't just IQ, which isn't even for what it was intended by the founder of the tests. I haven't seen many people deny that there is a huge genetic factor to intelligence. However your genes express differently based on environment although there is a limit to how much they can very based on your specific genetic make up

[@tongpoo8985]

@@VonJay IQ is about the raw processing speed (the CPU) of your brain, what you're talking about is the software you have installed and running on it.

[@odochartaighofodonegal9815]

Pseudo-intellectuals will always make the premise conform to the results.

[@SurnaturalM]

Bringing the topic of IQ by ethnicity is a very controversial topic, nobody dare to bring it up. But it's mathematically proven that it makes a difference. But, you are free to bring up the fact that some ethnicity are better than others in athletics performance, which is also a mathematically proven fact. I don't see any wrong with bringing up facts.

[@olivesama]

People bring this up ALL the time and then say, "We can't bring this up".

[@cas1652]

Everything that goes against leftism is "controversial". IQ and difference between ethnicities both disprove the core tenets of leftism.

[@VociferousCringelord]

You don't compete in athletics 24h per day. You use your intelligence / brain 100% of the time. Such a ubiquitous disadvantage for lower IQ people is seen as a handicap, and can be the basis for resentment. Furthermore, as IQ is a predictor for success, it is a source of prestige and social recognition that can be envied. Add to that already furious cocktail that culturally, at least in the west and other societies claiming to be civilised, the mind is considered as the "superior" part of the human being, and the physical prowess is regarded as a mere animal/savage trait; and you obtain that IQ is resented, loathed and thought to be harmful to bring up in a conversation.

[@olivesama]

@@VociferousCringelord I believe that a great deal of solace can be found in the fact that IQ is malleable **between** generations. So although disparities are inevitable, the precise distribution of those disparities do not need to be fixed across time so long as selective pressures change (which they constantly are). That is one area where people who want to make a difference should focus.

[@peterroodt5343]

This issue is a lot more important to human survival than we think

[@Thephilipcartmelexperience]

High IQ doesn't mean success. There's very many so-called intelligent people who have a low SQ. I hung around with lots of genius level people who couldn't score with the ladies.

[@dixonhill1108]

This is just dumb and not true. Women have a massive preference for intelligent men. Guys who have no business having the girls they do, get laid because they're smart. This isn't a debate science is clear on that. Also there's not actually that many low IQ'd people who are successful. This is just envious people wanting to pretend those who are successful don't deserve it.

[@WJohnson1043]

Wisdom trumps intelligence, even if it’s more difficult to measure.

[@mediocreman2]

The application of wisdom beats wisdom alone.

[@LightyAE]

@@mediocreman2 Wisdom is a philosophical field which is extremely beneficial for taking drastic measures in life. Furthermore, it's application is even more significant for psychological evolution an growth

[@ShowMeYoBoob]

wisdom doesnt exist without intelligence get a dog to have as many experiences as u want it will never be wise, its what u can perceive from the experience not the experience itself

[@JankyShack]

Intelligence effects the rate that you acquire wisdom. They are 2 different types of measurements, think of it like wisdom = distance traveled where as intelligence = speed of the car.

[@WJohnson1043]

@@JankyShack wisdom isn't knowledge. It's more a state of mind.

[@COBOB188]

Intelligence is a privilege, but Liberty is a Right.

[@richatlarge462]

Obviously the most terrifying IQ statistic, at least in public life, is the difference between the overlapping Bell curves of whites and blacks. It's practically taboo to mention - as such, YT might delete this. But no one cares that ethnic East Asians in the US have a stronger curve than whites (in aggregate), and no one talks about the IQ of Mexican and Central American immigrants either. It's a touchy subject because of the observable outcomes, especially in the black ghetto, and because it's due primarily to parental DNA which predestines low IQ. Bear in mind that the environmental factors are a function of IQ, more so than vice versa. Group IQ levels create cultures. This is old news.

[@skylinefever]

@@richatlarge462 I joke about encouraging the Thomas Sowells of the communities to have more kids to limit inequality.

[@frogfinance4605]

I've written two theses on this subject, from almost completely different points of view. My first is the "children descending from their trees" theory. A species who ALMOST entirely have the IQ of very young children, were advanced technologically and socio-politically roughly 3000-5000 years depending on the subset, over the course of 2 to 3 generations. This was CATASTROPHIC for them. It is the equivalent of giving automatic weapons to chimpanzees, teaching them just barely how to use them, and then doing nothing else. Sub-Saharan Africans went from mostly being in the stone age, with some in the early bronze age, to modern technology, without have to go through any of the social, political, and psychology evolution that is intrinsically involved. The second theory is the Environment theory. Sub-Saharan Africa is inhospitable. Everything wants to kill you, the land is only arable after significant work being done to it, and the waterways are almost unnavigable. This created an environment that is focused solely on subsisting. There is no time to develop intellectually, much less socially or politically. As you move away from the interior, and toward the coasts, this starts to ease a bit, hence why those living on the coasts were generally further along in development. The interesting thing is. If you remove a black child, or in some cases a family, from black communities, they almost always begin performing better educationally and otherwise. But the moment you return them to the vicinity of other blacks, they nearly always regress.

[@richatlarge462]

@@frogfinance4605 Well I think that last point has to do with what I wrote before: "Group IQ levels create cultures." In other words, black ghetto schools are trash, and they're trash because of the behavior and (lack of) focus of a critical mass of the so-called students. The behavior is reinforced by local families and young peers. So yes, if you get selected individuals out of that environment, and plunk them in a school without that same critical mass of troublemakers, and also have the ability to kick said individuals out for misbehavior, then the results are bound to be way better. But you can't take too many individuals from the bad school and put them in the good school, or the good school will also become bad, because the culture will assert itself in the new location.

[@MiMiiViVi]

There's about 6 known African and African American children hitting the charts higher than Hawkins or Einstein.

[@richatlarge462]

@@MiMiiViVi Assuming that's actually true, so what? 6 out of 3 billion is all the way to the right of the Bell curve's tail. The main cluster is way back to the left.