The Most Valuable 5* Units

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Saintontas

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@thanatos7085
@thanatos7085 17 сағат бұрын
"Jinhsi needs specialized teammates to reach her full potential" there are 7 possible teammates for this. Meanwhile Jiyan has whole 4 possible teammates but it isn't a downside, lol. If your argument is no stacks from coordinated attacks = no damage then mine is no Mortefi = no damage.
@suss8644
@suss8644 17 сағат бұрын
True
@rincledon1
@rincledon1 16 сағат бұрын
I think its more so the fact that Jiyan's best in slot is a 4 star that just buff his damage. Whereas Jinhsi needs coordinated attacks to actually use her full kit and therefore wants 2 teammates that have them, but also ideally buff her damage in some form or another. Jinhsi has an innate anti synergy with characters that don't have coordinated attacks, which can be limiting.
@MacA60230
@MacA60230 16 сағат бұрын
That was crazy to hear. It's when I knew this was a feelscraft tierlist based on Saint's tastes, not really based on reality. Jinhsi has so many options, including ones where you don't even have to build them, just press E and enjoy (Yuanwu). Jiyan has ONE real team. And this list is supposed to be based on account value, when Jiyan value is completely tied to whether you have Mortefi or not. And keep in mind Mortefi before S4 is kind of very mid.
@MacA60230
@MacA60230 16 сағат бұрын
@@rincledon1 What? "Jiyan's best in slot is a 4 star that just buff his damage." that's not just Jiyan's "best in slot", that's Jiyan's ONLY teammate. You don't have him you are cooked, your Jiyan team is now a meme. Jinhsi wants coordinated attacks, yes, but that's like 1/4 of the roster.
@Tissuestrash
@Tissuestrash 16 сағат бұрын
@@MacA60230how exactly is this a bad thing for jiyan tho
@yoichi_oli
@yoichi_oli 18 сағат бұрын
Video Summary: He likes Jiyan
@BobbyRoss-xt8jp
@BobbyRoss-xt8jp 15 сағат бұрын
bruh can't play changli cuz he has no fingers 🤣
@misanthrope16166
@misanthrope16166 10 сағат бұрын
flat IS justice tho🍷
@mizunochie
@mizunochie 10 сағат бұрын
yeah, jinhsi and carlotta are a tier over Jiyan, to even be on S you need to do double dragon stuff in reality he is A. They absolutely do have AOE he is delusional there, jinhsi on the liberation and on her 'illuminous Epiphany' and you can use 'crescent Divinity' to reposition her before enabling epiphany, yeah she do a lot overkill damage if you full stack her concerto, something she don't need to do in trash mob, carlotta have AOE on her first and last hit of the liberation and those 2 are the strongest hits on her liberation, her second E press, plus her full concerto heavy attack.
@zen-mm5hn
@zen-mm5hn 9 сағат бұрын
​@@mizunochie I would only agree a part that she's only bad in multi wave content.. since she's only has big 1 pp per her 15 sec rotation.. also let see list of current dps + their best in slot subdps back: jiyan(mortefi s4), jinshi(zhezhi[not really best in slot currently]), xianglixiao(yinlin/changli), camellya(sanhua c s6/roccia), charlotta(zhezhi), I can understand why people put jiyan or camellya so high in the list since they only require 4 star subdps.. but can anyone explain to me why?? in the earth that XL can be even ranked that high when he requires specifically a 5 star support/ 5 star quickswap in the game to work.. is it because he's free? 🤣 *I'm not putting changli since I still consider her sub dps since she's more excellent in quickswap.. plus u not want her to be on field for a long time since unusually u swap cencel animation..
@lukigepard
@lukigepard 8 сағат бұрын
@@zen-mm5hn YangYang and Jianxin work perfectly fine with XiangliYao and Encore do too
@DiurnusKnight
@DiurnusKnight 17 сағат бұрын
Saying Carlotta can't clear Pincer maneuver is just wrong tho, and even if it's right her value in ToA alone deserve her to be top tier.
@kharis9120
@kharis9120 17 сағат бұрын
That is weird, i clear pincher just fine with carlotta. first try no retry. and i havent even finish building her idk what saints talking about
@tenkaiyayes8495
@tenkaiyayes8495 17 сағат бұрын
@@kharis9120 same hahahah
@patrikfontana4556
@patrikfontana4556 16 сағат бұрын
Same she can have less aoe but she compensd with 2 ulti and four heavy bullet in a row
@FosforitoDuracell
@FosforitoDuracell 16 сағат бұрын
​@@kharis9120same. Heck her freeze mechanic in her skill and heavy attack clears a mob by itself in Pincer with a well-built Carlotta. Bro is wrong on her for that.
@NAi2004
@NAi2004 16 сағат бұрын
Yeah compare to jinshi, Carlotta performe better
@rezathoriqiss1511
@rezathoriqiss1511 18 сағат бұрын
Peak Changli hater
@JadinJames-s1d
@JadinJames-s1d 17 сағат бұрын
Lmao ong 😂 changli mains RIIIIIISE!!!!!😆
@andrs13
@andrs13 15 сағат бұрын
Bro doesn’t even know how to play Verina, yet he still makes a tier list.
@rezathoriqiss1511
@rezathoriqiss1511 14 сағат бұрын
idk man, XY Changli is bread and butter for me rn, need brant for double fusion quickswap😈
@jamesvalkyrie7469
@jamesvalkyrie7469 13 сағат бұрын
@@JadinJames-s1d Woo Changli!
@twilightwolf6248
@twilightwolf6248 18 сағат бұрын
Carlotta and Jinhsi behind Jiyan is crazy
@TheAAJYu
@TheAAJYu 18 сағат бұрын
World’s strongest and sanest Jiyan main
@Eviekaii
@Eviekaii 17 сағат бұрын
😂
@mayumitmarikit
@mayumitmarikit 17 сағат бұрын
he is jiyan bias actually so just think jiyan is not there 😅
@natediaz1863
@natediaz1863 17 сағат бұрын
I recently decently built Jiyan and learned to use him and am hating myself for sleeping on him even though I got him and his weapon on release (I was maining Calcharro at the time). He is extremely strong. I wouldn't put him above Jinhsi, but above Carlotta is realistic.
@lifelessgamingmy
@lifelessgamingmy 17 сағат бұрын
i think hes fair, have you tried carlotta in pincer? it feels very bad.
@gabrielpinheiropaiva9022
@gabrielpinheiropaiva9022 18 сағат бұрын
Saint has some wild takes. I disagre with almost the entire list ☠️ thats how being a Jiyan main affects your brain
@akamenightraid8045
@akamenightraid8045 17 сағат бұрын
Same. I completed pincer with Carlota and camellya lol
@altguardian
@altguardian 17 сағат бұрын
Yeah, I had problems with the current pincer using Xiangli Yao as my 2nd team's DPS. Replacing that team with a Carlotta-led team allowed me to easily clear it.
@N_Human
@N_Human 16 сағат бұрын
@@akamenightraid8045 that's my team too lol full clear all rewards all first tries no retries easily.
@GeshuLin_WW
@GeshuLin_WW 14 сағат бұрын
​@@altguardian How are you having problems with using XLY in pincer maneuver? Genuinely asking cuz I have cleared it with him.
@ChangeOfHearts39
@ChangeOfHearts39 14 сағат бұрын
u need to put more hours into him​@@altguardian
@mites7
@mites7 18 сағат бұрын
Ranking Jinhsi below Jiyan is blatant favoritism lol Edit: At least he actually put XY over Jiyan
@ericccky
@ericccky 18 сағат бұрын
Jinhsi is harder to play properly and also if you can’t crit her big nuke, it’s kinda useless and she has a harder time clearing mobs than Jiyan.
@sweatdropss
@sweatdropss 18 сағат бұрын
@@ericcckyjinhsi isnt hard to play, saint himself will agree jiyan is way more difficult, and she has teams even more accessible to f2p than him that require literal 0 investment to work at their full potential (her easy f2p teammate yuanwu is LITERALLY given for free), cant say the same abt jiyan (mortefi’s not entirely free and requires mild investment to perform evenly to jinhsi yuanwu) so yes, ranking jinhsi below jiyan in terms of pull value is favouritism, OP is correct
@Eviekaii
@Eviekaii 17 сағат бұрын
@@ericccky Jinhsi is so easy to play hell u can even skip dodging if u suck at it and just go up and fight in the air
@ericccky
@ericccky 17 сағат бұрын
@@sweatdropssHow about AOE content that Jinhsi struggle the most? Saint is ranking the overall value including clearing event modes and overworld exploration, not just TOA meta value which he explained. Also saying Jinhsi with S1 Yuanwu does similar damage to Jiyan with built Mortefi is just copium.
@aura7342
@aura7342 17 сағат бұрын
​@@ericccky could also be because the BiS Jiyan team is basically free aside from Jiyan. Verina is standard who you *should* have gotten. And mortefi was literally on Jiyan's banner.
@Zer0Hour17
@Zer0Hour17 17 сағат бұрын
Bro has Jiyan brainrot
@m0nk3ymadness
@m0nk3ymadness 12 сағат бұрын
How much er are we talking abt for Jiyan?
@Darshe0
@Darshe0 10 сағат бұрын
@@m0nk3ymadnessHe wants 120% for smooth tower rotation
@LucasGomes-ng2go
@LucasGomes-ng2go 9 сағат бұрын
@@m0nk3ymadness just use a 3 cost ER and call it a day
@CaptainRx-ss3rt
@CaptainRx-ss3rt 9 сағат бұрын
@LucasGomes-ng2go Dafuq ? You’ll lose way too much damage for what it’s worth. You just need 1-2 ER roll on substats. If you’re a god at rotation you can even go with 0 ER role.
@LucasGomes-ng2go
@LucasGomes-ng2go 9 сағат бұрын
@CaptainRx-ss3rt nah its fine, specially with his weapon and a double crit ER 3 cost. It makes his rotation really smooth
@Time4trouble
@Time4trouble 14 сағат бұрын
Agree on Yinlin but you're dickriding jiyan
@pranavdatta2059
@pranavdatta2059 3 сағат бұрын
It's a value tier list read the title not power lvl tier list
@Time4trouble
@Time4trouble 3 сағат бұрын
@pranavdatta2059 Read it. My point still holds.
@huytran7487
@huytran7487 2 сағат бұрын
@@Time4trouble what point ? all i saw is cope ?
@n8nwest563
@n8nwest563 17 сағат бұрын
List of Changli teams that can clear everything smoothly (if you aren't 7 years old): 1. Changli - XY 2. Changli - Calcharo 3. Changli - Carlotta 4. Changli - Encore 5. Changli - Chixia She is complicated but she is not THAT complicated List of Jiyan teams that can clear everything comfortably: 1. Jiyan - Mortefi 2???. Jiyan - Alta (but really why ever do this?) notice a disparity? EDIT: my main point is that when you consider changli as a sub-dps she begins to appear much more valuable than before. She does require more investment and skill than any other sub dps but is MORE FLEXIBLE than ANY other sub-dps. For the last time... Changli is a SUB DPS
@ilzafadilatulhaq1780
@ilzafadilatulhaq1780 17 сағат бұрын
he's just skill issue with changli
@ericccky
@ericccky 17 сағат бұрын
Best Changli’s teams have 4 5* characters while Jiyan just need a 4* which you can obtain easily… notice a disparity?
@ilari90
@ilari90 17 сағат бұрын
Aalto, not Alta, (aalto = Finnish word for "wave")
@BS-se4yg
@BS-se4yg 17 сағат бұрын
So teams that can clear with Changli 1. Changli and one of the strongest DPS in the game carrying her, who can also clear without her 2. Changli and one of the strongest speedrunners in the game, who can clear without her 3. Changli and one of the strongest DPS in the game carrying her, who can also clear without her 4. Copium 5. Copium Jiyan's team: 1. Jiyan and a 4* character everyone has Yeah, I do notice a disparity
@LordZedz
@LordZedz 17 сағат бұрын
I cleared all of the content in the game with Changli - Yinlin up until 1.4. Changli is probably the most versatile character in the game if you just embrace the quickswap.
@gachagamer536
@gachagamer536 12 сағат бұрын
The #1 Kurobot and Jiyan Glazer 👑
@Mr.MoriartyXIII
@Mr.MoriartyXIII 17 сағат бұрын
Camellya mains watching other mains fight on the comments 🗿🗿🗿
@winkythepooh
@winkythepooh 16 сағат бұрын
Danjin mains: "doesn't even care"
@dharshanv4047
@dharshanv4047 15 сағат бұрын
@@winkythepooh lol. Danjin the only character that doesnt even have hate.
@LateKeRadium
@LateKeRadium 15 сағат бұрын
Lmao true.
@suilugferenthon6683
@suilugferenthon6683 14 сағат бұрын
I'm a Zani main from the future.
@zen-mm5hn
@zen-mm5hn 9 сағат бұрын
​@@dharshanv4047 lol if anyone ever try to blame on danjin.. I can hear from a mile a way people gonna throw a comment about skill issues to you back 😂
@xBazilio
@xBazilio 12 сағат бұрын
Yinlin: E, Heavy, E, Ult, Heavy. concerto is full, coord attacks applied. She is very easy and fast to play. But she doesn't work very well in multiwave content, because enemies are dead before her coordinated attacks can do damage.
@kaloyanivanov885
@kaloyanivanov885 10 сағат бұрын
I will try this. Thank you.
@kaloyanivanov885
@kaloyanivanov885 9 сағат бұрын
I tried it and it does work insanely well. Very fast indeed, thanks for the tech
@mismismism
@mismismism 15 сағат бұрын
While I do agree that Jiyan is way better overall than most players act like he is, I do not think he's so much better to put him that high based on the arguments, I think Jinhsi and Jiyan are very close, just with opposite strengths since she has the nuke and a fast rotation, he has a long rotation with amazing grouping and AoE. And Carlotta, I don't know what he was playing saying she struggles to do Pincer Maneuver and all content, she's insane for me in PM, and she fits in basically any quick swap comp, you can pair her with someone like XY to handle trash while she blows back bigger enemies, very easily. I don't really understand that one, especially when Camellya is so high and she can totally whiff against certain enemies, get knocked out of her nuke, etc.
@QueenDehya
@QueenDehya 17 сағат бұрын
L take on Jinhsi and changli
@reeverfalls2069
@reeverfalls2069 16 сағат бұрын
Nope, correct take.
@zedeon6299
@zedeon6299 16 сағат бұрын
absolutely correct take i love jinshi but she sucks at pincer unlike jiyan, im prob gonna build xly because of his takes
@ryuk6795
@ryuk6795 15 сағат бұрын
​@@zedeon6299pinoer is just a single event not the entire game
@gravios9641
@gravios9641 15 сағат бұрын
​@@reeverfalls2069L take. How does characters have slightly better performance in pincer event make them better over performance in ToA?
@gravios9641
@gravios9641 15 сағат бұрын
​@@zedeon6299because pincer event have buff that cater toward Havoc, aero and electro character
@russlmao7091
@russlmao7091 13 сағат бұрын
L takes over L takes over L takes. Cant expect anything from a Jiyan bias
@kaloyanivanov885
@kaloyanivanov885 10 сағат бұрын
ikr? carlotta doesnt have aoe? does this guy play the game even?
@mee2556
@mee2556 5 сағат бұрын
Yeah overworld jiyan is kinda bad for me personally especially when I only have him at 108 er, the only reason why I can still play a bit comfortable is because I have his s1, so I have his skill twice
@CodeNet0911
@CodeNet0911 17 сағат бұрын
IG I am bias since I love Changli but putting her B is criminal. It's true that she needs a good DPS to run some crazy combo, but its precisely that reason that makes her extremely versatile. There is no other damage dealer that can slot in with almost every single DPS. On top of that, she outputs 3 waves of damage that are amazing for crowd enemies. Let's be realistic with our ratings and not heavy hate bias.
@CodeNet0911
@CodeNet0911 17 сағат бұрын
Update: I've not yet seen him talk about running Changli + Sanhua, its a team and it exist that does clear endgame.
@tylerzhou1350
@tylerzhou1350 17 сағат бұрын
​@@CodeNet0911Rover plays very well with Changli as well. Maybe better than any other teammate
@CodeNet0911
@CodeNet0911 17 сағат бұрын
@@tylerzhou1350 You're right. She slots well with so many character it makes absolutely no sense to put her that low. Her gameplay also isn't that hard, as long as you understand how to outro character, her skill which does quick a numerous amount of damage already fills half the bar. I'd argue to put Changli as a top 4 must pull. Jinhsi imo is A tier because she cannot function by herself while Camellya is arguable annoying to do rotation from her own kit, Carlotta is slightly good from having 2 blows that does AOE but the rest is mainly single target.
@CodeNet0911
@CodeNet0911 16 сағат бұрын
@@CipherZeroes Aye we're in the same boat, I have pretty much all characters in game as a F2P except Jiyan (I didn't want to pull him) but exploration wise, AOE wise, versatile wise, I just cannot stop using her. I fell in love with Carlotta but guess what, I can still use Changli with her🤣. The new John Wick Event with the turtles, guess what, Changli once again, clears everything. I would love to make a Tier List video to give Saint a constructive criticism so he stops being bias and see how good she really is.
@arkabarma3286
@arkabarma3286 16 сағат бұрын
Tbf she doesn't need another dps to function as good as other dpses lol. That's a very bad misconception people seem to have(only comparing Verina buffed bc it'd not be a controlled environment otherwise). The best team u can have on Changli rn is Verina-changli. That it. Just 2. And u will clear ToA very comfortably. Playing her with other dpses typically speaking outdpses their main hypercarry BiS. This doesn't only means she's dealing more than respective subdpses. This also means she needs to be able to do enough or more DMG to match the other 'main' dps for this team to be worth. Results are out there. This is in fact the case. Tldr : Changli IS a Hypercarry that can switch to subdps or dualdps team seamlessly.
@azharhakim1930
@azharhakim1930 16 сағат бұрын
News flash guys Tier lists are very subjective You don't need Saintontas's tier list to validate your pulls/favorite character Just play who you wanna play
@JamesSmith-q3i8x
@JamesSmith-q3i8x 15 сағат бұрын
Ma man👍
@Prxnce_Nelli
@Prxnce_Nelli 13 сағат бұрын
Bro is a know it all nerd like no one cares as much as he does and doesn't actually play
@Dixion_Cider
@Dixion_Cider 13 сағат бұрын
​@@Prxnce_Nelli Punctuation exists my boi.
@araara6673
@araara6673 6 сағат бұрын
True, make ur own tierlist and try defending it, it takes guts. And I think the only objective take here is SK is a must pull when u still don't have Verina.
@darekfromninoteamtwojstary1397
@darekfromninoteamtwojstary1397 12 сағат бұрын
Man im actually impresed that a tierlist can make me mad
@SalterAlter
@SalterAlter 16 сағат бұрын
Yinlin may be showing signs of aging but that won't stop me from using her cuz she is still my favorite character in the game and the reason I started playing Wuwa.
@Iroh-lowkey
@Iroh-lowkey 15 сағат бұрын
She'll be aging like a fine wine, she is and will ever be the best in slot electro sub dps which makes her future proof. As of now she got 3 teams, XLY, calculator and Jinhsi
@SalterAlter
@SalterAlter 14 сағат бұрын
@@Iroh-lowkey agreed bro
@neverhonors2688
@neverhonors2688 14 сағат бұрын
@@Iroh-lowkey leaks said yinlin will also become BiS sub dps for upcoming electro 5 star, no electro sub dps will compete with her probably until later than 3.0
@Iroh-lowkey
@Iroh-lowkey 14 сағат бұрын
@@neverhonors2688 there will be more electro sub dps in future tailor made for certain dps like Zhezhi for Carlotta but even so her outro buffing electro dmg alone and being a coordinate attacker will raise her value as a viable sub dps for every future electro teams
@neverhonors2688
@neverhonors2688 13 сағат бұрын
@@Iroh-lowkey yes but we won't see them so soon
@mrconan400
@mrconan400 17 сағат бұрын
Ppl really put comment before watching the video huh 😅 Sure all character is MONSTER if you play the game enough and learn to optimize their kit. but if you reach that level or simply character collector you dont need VALUE tier list. Im sweaty enough to do 3 DPS quickswap but if new player asking me which character to pull to progress game faster I wont recomend changli, but I still gonna put her on same tier with yinlin. My only addition on this take is Jiyan kinda sucks against enemy that moves a lot. which should make him on same level as jinhsi/carlotta at this case.
@denzeylubas5820
@denzeylubas5820 16 сағат бұрын
The Carlotta slander is just skill issue
@kaloyanivanov885
@kaloyanivanov885 10 сағат бұрын
ikr, does the guy even play the game? Her aoe is fine. Its not camellya level but her E, forte and ult give her aoe. Only the 4 shots are single targer and her final shot actually pierces so its aoe.
@dn4417
@dn4417 8 сағат бұрын
@@kaloyanivanov885 so youre saying is that camellya, jiyan aoe is better than carlotta? its a good tierlist then.
@kaloyanivanov885
@kaloyanivanov885 8 сағат бұрын
@@dn4417 Is it an aoe tierlist or a value tierlist. Jiyan is melee and deals less dmg too.
@MuniC-z8c
@MuniC-z8c 8 сағат бұрын
If this was an aoe tier list, I'd agree lmfaoo bro got lost inthe sauce​@@dn4417
@chynonm
@chynonm 5 сағат бұрын
I 've extensively used both Jinshi and Carlotta and can say for 100% certain Carlotta has better aoe. Too many times jinshi's puke cant hit every enemy while with Carlotta you can shoot all the enemies in a cannon-width line in front of you with her nuke while her skill and forte both have great aoe+timestop+dmg
@bonkusch2909
@bonkusch2909 7 сағат бұрын
Intro to Yinlin > E > HA > E > Ult > HA Forte > Echo > Outro I just fixed your said Yinlin clunky Rotation. It literally only takes 7-8 seconds doing this thing.
@Byak10
@Byak10 18 сағат бұрын
Jinhsi with verina is more than enough you can slot anyone in the 3rd slot to play as you want. I main a Jiyan and Jinhsi team and found you can quickswap Jinhsi's heavy and its so long it procs the 2 outro lances of Jiyan its pretty nice.
@nyes4596
@nyes4596 17 сағат бұрын
Most L-take Saintontas video ngl, Jinhsi is literally still one of the best DPS in Wuthering Waves, Jiyan is consistent but he's worse than Jinhsi and Carlotta.
@vibriw9315
@vibriw9315 17 сағат бұрын
its a Value tier list not who has the biggest numbers. Jinhsi and Carlotta are worse than Jiyan in most Events and game modes with AOE and multiple Waves.
@nyes4596
@nyes4596 17 сағат бұрын
@@vibriw9315 Yes, hence why Jinhsi SHOULD be on top of Jiyan. Jinhsi is literally amazing at AoE situation, I don't know what people are talking about. She gets her Forte fast with Mortefi E4, and has literally almost no downside (outside of Multiwave, but even you can fix that with Zhezhi because Zhezhi will clears up the smaller enemy due to her high damage), Jinhsi has a lot of variant with her team composition (having work with literally anyone which has coordinated attack while Jiyan NEEDS Mortefi), Jinhsi having higher damage ceilling which makes any content faster to clear, and is overall a better unit than Jiyan. Not to mention, if that's the case why would he put XY above Changli? They're basically both AoE and works literally together the best
@steffan5156
@steffan5156 15 сағат бұрын
Xiangli yao free. But debatable placement I guess. Jiyan> jinhsi just cause jiyan+mort is just better than jinhsi mort/yuanwu or other Carlotta 4* sub dps comps. It is what it is. It's a value tier list for low spender/f2p after all. I'm saying this as jinhsi main.
@rishuraspencer1262
@rishuraspencer1262 15 сағат бұрын
​@@nyes4596its not that i agrees with jiyan > jinhsi especially carlotta since their comfort against 6 holos are literally the best in the game rn. But jinhsi literally has several downside outside than just multiwaves contenr, I'd take this video more as a bait but its not that he's not making any sense since he's still backing them up with reasons and flaw but maybe overlooking some mechanics and is bias towards some resonators. In terms of dmg capabilities on free charas S6 mortefi isnt as fast on building incandescence as you describes him to be- yuanwu is the best alternative for that but the down side is not getting a full benefit of 25/38% buffs which could be considered as a huge dmg lost, speaking about dmg lost she must crit to avoid that more than 50% dmg lost in what she does on a single rotation since most of her dmg cames from her nuke. and avoiding those if worst case scenarios, you must get high crit so definitely get her weapon in order to get a good crit value since standard 5 broadblade is not an option unlike pistol/sword critrate for carlotta and cam making their crit ratio good whereas jinhsi needs to sacrifice 4Cost echo to critrate instead of cdmg so she'll always be "expensive". (Assuming her value for f2p's is just isnt as great as both Chun though jiyan doesn't make any sense). Last problem is even with zhezhi i think you're exaggerating what she does to team on multiwaves content, she aint clearing those small mobs with that dmg of hers in sonata moonlit unless you decides to use her offensive set giving up on buffing jinhsi.
@veliona8920
@veliona8920 15 сағат бұрын
@@vibriw9315 Even if it's value it's still wrong, no on in their right mind is going to recommend to someone who is looking for value picks to recommend the very first limited 5 star released in the game, especially now that we are in 2.0. Jinhsi and Carlotta still completely bodies Jiyan in literally every scenario and would both be far more valuable over picking him.
@vibriw9315
@vibriw9315 17 сағат бұрын
A lot of people dont have Jiyan in the comments
@natediaz1863
@natediaz1863 17 сағат бұрын
For real. I got him and his weapon on release but mained Calcharro and so I kind of slept on him till recently. Damn he is a monster when you build him and learn how to play him right.
@LordZedz
@LordZedz 17 сағат бұрын
Only dude I've been tempted to pull in a gacha since they're usually lame twinks. Still didn't pull him though.
@fdpmc
@fdpmc 17 сағат бұрын
I have every character and their signature except Roccia. Jinhsi, Carlotta and Camellya are way better than Jiyan.
@Skweanky
@Skweanky 17 сағат бұрын
Exactly lol the waifu collectors are in denial that a male character is worth more than their waifus. Heck even both current male DPS's worth more xD
@xtiyan2250
@xtiyan2250 17 сағат бұрын
​@@fdpmcfor real, I have him exactly built like my jinshi and camellya with almost the same investment but my jiyan is higher. And he still shit man.
@WaitingForGeshulin
@WaitingForGeshulin 17 сағат бұрын
im so suprised people are hating on jiyan so much, even at this point in the game hes still super strong, and lets not forget his team is with mortefi, very f2p friendly.
@psr2771
@psr2771 17 сағат бұрын
@@WaitingForGeshulin no one is hating on Jiyan. They are saying he is not as good as Saint thinks he is.
@acciocats8764
@acciocats8764 17 сағат бұрын
They just don't want male character to be stronger than their waifus
@Skweanky
@Skweanky 17 сағат бұрын
They all skipped him because they thought he would get power creeped by the next DPS, Kuro proved them wrong but they are still in denial...
@psr2771
@psr2771 16 сағат бұрын
@@acciocats8764 so according to your point of view, XY should also be talked down as he higher in the list than even Jiyan. So why is that not happening?
@acciocats8764
@acciocats8764 16 сағат бұрын
@@psr2771 what you yapping about, Xiangli Yao is not a waifu lmao
@TheAAJYu
@TheAAJYu 15 сағат бұрын
The WuWa community’s strongest and sanest Jiyan main, ladies and gentlemen.
@kaloyanivanov885
@kaloyanivanov885 10 сағат бұрын
25:59 what did you smoke my guy? Carlotta Aoe is not even that bad. Her skill has aoe, her forte has aoe, her ult has aoe at the start and her final shot is also aoe. I have NEVER had any problem with aoe or pincer with carlotta EVER. I have her at S0 with statc. And she is ranged which is a huge advantage when every boss in the game can fly.
@zycane
@zycane 17 сағат бұрын
Saint's Iyo arc incoming, lmao. j/k But seriously that list is wild, and your reasonings are even wilder. Saint into that Jiyan bussy.
@seitto_
@seitto_ 15 сағат бұрын
I don't think people in the comments understand this isn't a TOA tier list.
@weskerredfield5176
@weskerredfield5176 16 сағат бұрын
Saint, have you forgotten how much you struggled in the last stage of 'although colors have no form' cuz Hecate kept floating in the air and all Jiyan could do was standing there like an idiot with his ult activated? Yeah, if you had used Carlotta it would've been much easier cuz she can freeze enemies and her ult can hit ememies even when they're in the frigging air like Crownless often does. How about putting that in the reasoning of your tier list?
@LucasGomes-ng2go
@LucasGomes-ng2go 18 сағат бұрын
Although I agree with pretty much everything, putting XLY above Yinlin and Changli is kinda weird, who are you playing him with if you don't have neither? Jianxin? Yangyang?
@Zer0Perplexity
@Zer0Perplexity 17 сағат бұрын
XY can be paired with another DPS or YangYang. He's very quick swappable with his long animations, so you don't need Yinlin or Changli for him.
@dapper-alcremie460
@dapper-alcremie460 17 сағат бұрын
@@Zer0Perplexityaight so if this is the reason then him putting changli in b makes no sense, by this logic they’re both a tier
@Zer0Perplexity
@Zer0Perplexity 17 сағат бұрын
@dapper-alcremie460@dapper-alcremie460 personally I think Changli has more value than XY, but only really if you're pursuing quick swap.
@Aho_guy-k4y
@Aho_guy-k4y 17 сағат бұрын
​@@dapper-alcremie460 the work u need to put in for changli to work is greater than xyl. He mentions the util xyl provides in terms of time slows and gap closing that makes quickswap q a lot easier on him
@DiurnusKnight
@DiurnusKnight 17 сағат бұрын
Yinlin should be b tier imo, she is not the BIS in any team right now. And yeah Saint is just a Changli hater lol.
@Moodeyy
@Moodeyy 14 сағат бұрын
Nahhh jiyan being above jinhsi and Carlotta has to be ragebait 💀
@jordanngo7551
@jordanngo7551 17 сағат бұрын
As a Changli Carlotta quickswap main im crying 😭, love your videos and would be cool to see a full potential tierlist as well!
@neverhonors2688
@neverhonors2688 14 сағат бұрын
Carlotta hypercarry is better, her kit restrict you from swapping her out during liberation because it will end the "Final Bow" passive
@geraldvillanueva7160
@geraldvillanueva7160 17 сағат бұрын
Nah nah nah not agree on carlotta lol
@kaloyanivanov885
@kaloyanivanov885 10 сағат бұрын
The guy doesnt play wuthering waves, what did you expect?
@Gojo_Jojo_
@Gojo_Jojo_ 16 сағат бұрын
As a jiyan main, i enjoy saint's glazing because people shit on jiyan for being powercrept even tho he's still good 💀
@KalhuSoru9
@KalhuSoru9 13 сағат бұрын
bro just couldn't help it and put changli in B. what's with the hate boner? 😂 and I don't even have her. that placing is certainly a choice
@Takodachii1727
@Takodachii1727 10 сағат бұрын
He couldve put her at a or atleast a- but the changli hate is apparent and im having fun watching him hating on a character this bad lmao
@KalhuSoru9
@KalhuSoru9 10 сағат бұрын
@Takodachii1727 skill issue bro
@Takodachii1727
@Takodachii1727 10 сағат бұрын
@ He already learned and practiced all changli's rotation and kits tho? In his streams he did a perfect rotation for quick swap changli but still not enough compared to other dps
@renzturner8821
@renzturner8821 11 сағат бұрын
Overall, it is a good tier list, points and reasoning are well presented on each unit. BUT b4 y'all complain... Don't forget that you have an option to DISREGARD it if you disagree..
@rvillaagustin
@rvillaagustin 17 сағат бұрын
I have jinshi s0r1 and carlotta s0r1, both of them built and I agree with what he said here. They’re good in tower and holos, but overworld and pincer, not so much. I had to redo my runs with Jiyan on all 2nd stages. They just fall short in multi wave. Edit: I think people in the comsec forget the disclaimer once their favorites were placed lower. I love playing carlotta in overworld even if it’s not optimal. I just enjoy running around with her and killing stuff with guns. Plus her animations. Man, if you really love the character no tier list is correct. Play the game and have fun!
@MacA60230
@MacA60230 16 сағат бұрын
I'm sorry but not being able to clear pincer with fully built Carlotta in a proper team is pure skill issue. I'm 100% willing to give you that Jiyan is easier, but if you straight up CANT clear with Carlotta I think it's less the unit and more the hands, I'm sorry. To me it's like saying Jiyan can't clear middle stages in TOA. Sure he isn't the best single target DPS out there but he obviously can clear with proper teams and rotations. Same here, Carlotta can clear Pincer COMFORTABLY, I know from experience, she just isn't the absolute number one unit for it. Better than most though, her damage is spread in many hits and that's what really matters in this mode.
@rvillaagustin
@rvillaagustin 15 сағат бұрын
@MacA60230 and that’s what he said in the video, they can but they’re not the best at it Value wise. Re: Carlotta in a proper team, i guess I don’t have that, since I don’t have her BIS Zhezhi and am running her with Taoqi. And Jiyan, s6 Mortefi is what I have so that’s what I’ll use since it’s easier to get 4k+ in pincers with that team than my Carlotta and Taoqi team. I’m literally working with what the RNG has given me here. Rather than skill issue, I think that’s a lack of account investment.
@Vessalius9
@Vessalius9 11 сағат бұрын
@@rvillaagustin Carlotta outdmg Jiyan with mortefi even with S6 Sanhua
@rvillaagustin
@rvillaagustin 11 сағат бұрын
@@Vessalius9 is this still for pincer?
@Vessalius9
@Vessalius9 10 сағат бұрын
@@rvillaagustin Haven't tried her in pincer with Sanhua but for ToA and holos yes. I used them both with their signature, when you consider that Jiyan f2p weapon isn't great compared to carlotta just further show that this list is inaccurate and biased
@Intothevoidforever
@Intothevoidforever 13 сағат бұрын
People shitting on his take forgot that this is a value tier list not who does the most damage per screenshot tierlist.
@Takodachii1727
@Takodachii1727 11 сағат бұрын
right, people really need to remind their selves that this is not a general tier list and a usability tier list
@__Senpai_XD__
@__Senpai_XD__ 9 сағат бұрын
Its a value tier list but he put changli on B tier. Just criminal since changli is one of the most versatile units with a lot of different playstyle. This just looks like a blatant hate to changli.
@skyMcWeeds
@skyMcWeeds 7 сағат бұрын
it is Saint's list its his opinion no matter how much shit people think it is
@lucklessflow5769
@lucklessflow5769 5 сағат бұрын
​@@__Senpai_XD__ if she needs another dps to work she's def low value compared to other 5*
@__Senpai_XD__
@__Senpai_XD__ 5 сағат бұрын
@lucklessflow5769 how can she be a low value. You will always have atleast one dps. Besides, as i said she can be played as a dps herself too, but being able to use her with your existing dps as a sub dps is icing in the cake. It makes her way above other 5 stars.
@calymnis2204
@calymnis2204 12 сағат бұрын
Valuable tier list ❎ Husbando tier list ✅
@SonicGintoki
@SonicGintoki 6 сағат бұрын
I like this guy, and he’s good at the game. but damn his meta takes are ass. Yinlin was a massive upgrade for my xangli yao and super buffed his damage and clear speed. She also builds concerto much faster than the kungfu girl and is easy to swap cancel and tell what she’s doing unlike the cute glasses girl.
@bonnibaby
@bonnibaby 15 сағат бұрын
As someone who just started wuwa, literally like 5 days ago, getting verina as an upgrade from baizhi felt like taking off concrete shoes, no matter what I get in the future, verina will always be the most valuable to me 🙏
@beginneral
@beginneral 14 сағат бұрын
Lel. Wait til you get variation weapon on her
@Xyrrek
@Xyrrek 9 сағат бұрын
When it comes to Yinlin, I love using her burst because it doesn't time stop, with the right timing you can just ignore big enemy attacks and then concerto out to the next unit!
@psr2771
@psr2771 17 сағат бұрын
Tbh, except for Shorekeeper, I will put all the others to A tier.
@insidiator5461
@insidiator5461 9 сағат бұрын
If this was a purely 'do they clear well' tier list I'd 100% agree
@abdullahmohalel8136
@abdullahmohalel8136 17 сағат бұрын
Okay I read the comments, and was expecting some jank, but the disclaimer and the explanation of why you are ranking them there is fair
@scarcryostorm983
@scarcryostorm983 18 сағат бұрын
Idk why saint's chat hating on jiyan? I literally cleared every content (without sig weapon) in the game with jiyan...
@ericccky
@ericccky 17 сағат бұрын
because a dude can’t possibly be better than their waifus
@DiurnusKnight
@DiurnusKnight 17 сағат бұрын
Jiyan is really good but I think Saint still glaze him too much lol.
@tylerzhou1350
@tylerzhou1350 17 сағат бұрын
Well, maybe not towards to Jiyan. But towards saints seems have some bias. Someone like me clear everything with Changli Havoc Rover team easily will strongly disagree with the rank of Changli. He just seems prefer some particular play style of a character.
@starless0021
@starless0021 17 сағат бұрын
Welp I also clear every content with jinshi w/o sig so imo she is the best. That doesn't say anything now, does it?
@__Senpai_XD__
@__Senpai_XD__ 9 сағат бұрын
I mean because this is probably the most retarded take he has ever had. His reasoning with carlotta also didn't fit right with me since she has plenty of aoe. I really didnt face any issue clearing pincer which u know mostly favours aoe charas. Even her supports, you dont really need zezhi to play her comfortably since sanhua works really well with her. Besides, how come he put changli on B tier when arguably she's one of the most versatile charas in game, she literally works with every other dps, you can play her as a sole dps, if you have her you can also enjoy a lot of cool quickswap teams.
@LM-pg9hy
@LM-pg9hy 15 сағат бұрын
Pretty funny how ninjas in chat getting tight but bobby lee is making fair points on his tier list placements
@sevy700
@sevy700 16 сағат бұрын
Reading the comments made me finish my popcorn. I'm just waiting for an event like PGRs Warzone to see how everyone will react to it...
@TechyCatz
@TechyCatz 16 сағат бұрын
Are you looking for a positive reaction or negative reaction?
@sevy700
@sevy700 15 сағат бұрын
@@TechyCatz Both 😁
@ChangeOfHearts39
@ChangeOfHearts39 14 сағат бұрын
​@@sevy700😊
@q-tarcana7610
@q-tarcana7610 10 сағат бұрын
I feel appreciated for pulling the top 4 on the list but also a Changli owner, so I was aware she wasn't gonna place high on this guy's tier list 😅
@chrollohxh5268
@chrollohxh5268 16 сағат бұрын
Insane Jiyan glaze lmao. 1) His tacet field is not efficient to farm. 2) The highest ER requirement among limited 5-star dps units. 3) Need S6 Mortefi BADLY to compete in current meta. 4) limited teambuilding and gameplay, only great in hypercarry.
@ryuk6795
@ryuk6795 14 сағат бұрын
Saint is using 1 character best in slot scenario and forcing it on every other dps
@chrollohxh5268
@chrollohxh5268 14 сағат бұрын
@ryuk6795 he misunderstands 'value' 😂
@pranavdatta2059
@pranavdatta2059 3 сағат бұрын
Stop acting like mortefi is hard to get, everyone who plays the game decently has him S6. Other points are just bad . This list is considering good investment, echo farming one day will be good enough it's not that hard but you can't change a characters kit like that
@blueslime6901
@blueslime6901 14 сағат бұрын
What is this? Finally someone not overrating Jinshi
@psr2771
@psr2771 18 сағат бұрын
Bro just accept that you're extremely biased toward Jiyan just like I'm extremely biased toward Changli. It's not a big deal. 😂 He is at most a A.
@BS-se4yg
@BS-se4yg 17 сағат бұрын
I have yet to see an s0 Changli or S0 Jinhsi clear tower in 40 seconds or less. Until you show that, you have nothing to support Jinhsi is stronger than Jiyan
@psr2771
@psr2771 17 сағат бұрын
@BS-se4yg where in my comment I mentioned Jinshi ? Are your brain not braining ?? 😅😂
@BS-se4yg
@BS-se4yg 17 сағат бұрын
@@psr2771 show me one DPS character who can clear the tower at s0r1 in 40 seconds or less with a 4* subdps besides Jiyan.
@psr2771
@psr2771 17 сағат бұрын
@BS-se4yg this is getting tiring. Where in my comment did I ever try to compare two DPS characters ? Go touch some grass and calm the hell down. P.S. I don't like quick clearing videos as they are mostly just flashy lights but from what little I have seen, most of the top quick clears are Changli quick swaps. So yeah.
@psr2771
@psr2771 16 сағат бұрын
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@Nobody-eu6tb
@Nobody-eu6tb 6 сағат бұрын
why is pincer taking into account? it is an event. until it becomes an endgame permentantly, it is trivial to even mention it.
@UpwardTBC
@UpwardTBC 17 сағат бұрын
Big skill issue CC attempts to make Wuwa Meta content Bro to make a tierlist you should at least have played every character you talk about I think you won't ever accept that Encore S0 stringmaster is just as good as Jiyan And you don't play well any other team that is not Jiyan I mean what can i expect? L takes on Jinhsi, Carlotta and Changli Basically this is just your opinion without actual experimentation. And i think you know pretty well, that's pretty poor
@oitheoi2746
@oitheoi2746 11 сағат бұрын
The Jinhsi slander goes crazy. She can clear every pincer stage and get 5k point on the last stage (s0r1)
@gabbo4039
@gabbo4039 16 сағат бұрын
Tier S: S for Shorekeeper
@MacA60230
@MacA60230 16 сағат бұрын
Nah Saint I think you overcooked on this one. Jiyan might be underestimated by the community but you sure as hell overvalue him. You'll say things like Jinhsi lacks AOE and deduct points for it, but completely disregard the fact Jiyan's single target damage is noticeably worse than hers or Carlotta, no points deducted. Saying Carlotta is only good in boss tower stages and holograms is also wild, she is my default open world unit atm because she has what feels like infinite range and her 2 Es + Heavy combo is enough for open world, with occasional ults for tougher enemies. That heavy especially has quite a lot of range. Also cleared this very Pincer maneuver with her in the second half for the entirety of it and had absolutely no issues, her damage is spread in so many hits she handles multiwave content very well. You said it was rough for her there, but it's the exact opposite for me. I went in initially with my XLY Yinlin team because it recommends Electro, but Yinlin in multiwave is ass so I tried the Carlotta ZZ comp and that was a walk in the park. Also regarding the whole "Jinhsi needs specialized teammates so that's another issue" thing that has to be some crazy cognitive dissonance? Jinhsi has many coordinated attacker she can chose from, Jiyan is stuck with Mortefi or nothing. Jinhsi can have a Yuanwu pressing E every once in a while and she is gucci. Jiyan has no such option. You have Mortefi or you do 0 damage. Very versatile indeed, +10 points for Jiyan! Jiyan is S tier no discussion, but I'd put him below both Jinhsi and Carlotta.
@Avishek25
@Avishek25 14 сағат бұрын
Its more like an AOE tier list then value tier list
@kaloyanivanov885
@kaloyanivanov885 10 сағат бұрын
Also carlotta has a lot of aoe idk what this guy smoked when he said she doesnt have aoe
@midwestairway
@midwestairway 14 сағат бұрын
an opinion i guess, i personally think jiyan is nowhere near S hes tied to the hip with mortife and liberation dependent and when in his liberation he can be quite difficult to navigate because of how he focuses on default closest direction, and his damage while good, you can still lose a ton of it if the wave dies too fast and the second wave takes a bit to spawn. i will not talk about the other placements, but jiyan makes it clear its based on opinion, jiyan is an A, because i would rather use camellya or Yao than him, and Changli is an S because she is good in all content with above normal damage for a sub dps. but hes our no1 Kuro bot, so i still love him lol
@k-jellrl
@k-jellrl 18 сағат бұрын
Ladies with gentle hands
@ilari90
@ilari90 17 сағат бұрын
This will be my new greeting instead of "Ladies and Gentlemen."
@tharateptrongpanyachot6046
@tharateptrongpanyachot6046 15 сағат бұрын
Sure, Carlotta has AOE issue, but you can pair her with Yang Yang, a free 4 star sub-dps that good at grouping. I used Carlotta in the left tower with Yang yang, and I clear that tower just fine. On top of that, she has very good mobility. If you gonna rate Xiangli Yao with his mobity, you should rate her with mobilty as well. She also has a very long ranged and high damage liberation, which makes her very easy to play.
@pauljoseph3081
@pauljoseph3081 17 сағат бұрын
I don't have Jiyan, but I have all characters in this S-Tier. I agree XY is absolutely nuts, on par or above Jinshi's nuke, and way easier to play especially with his ability to pause time during Liberation. YinLin vs Zezhi is close to me, I have both and have their sig wep. YinLin is a bit slower but she hits hard af.
@JohnnyGamer555
@JohnnyGamer555 11 сағат бұрын
31:52 One thing that goes for Roccia's value is that if paired with Camellya, your Sanhua gets freed for a different DPS such as Encore, Carlotta (for those without Zhezhi) or future BA damage dealers.
@Lucius_Aelius_Caesar
@Lucius_Aelius_Caesar 6 сағат бұрын
For all the people saying Jiyan shouldn’t be above Carlotta and Jinhsi, and that if Jinhsi needs coordinated attackers, Jiyan needs Mortefi and that Saintontas isn’t being fair. Not at all, bro. Jiyan with Aalto is actually really cracked. Not as cracked as Mortefi of course, but it’s still good nonetheless. Jinhsi on the other hand, needs a coordinated attacker for her kit, really limiting her team comps, if that wasn’t enough, she’s not really the best against multiple enemies, since the nuke can sometimes miss a few enemies that weren’t close enough and you can have to do the whole rotation again which can be really annoying. Also, for those saying the game has a lot of coordinated attackers, Verona is a must have for Jinhsi, we all already know that. That just leaves the sub dps slot vacant for basically only 3 characters. 2 of them being 5 stars in the form of Yinlin and Zhezhi while Yuanwu is her only realistic 4 star option, and no, Mortefi doesn’t work that well with her due to him providing basically no buff to her other than moonlit. I can testify that, as someone who uses both, Jiyan feels like the better one here. I feel like people tend to overrate both Jinhsi and Carlotta. Like, sure. They’re definitely the best to use against bosses, but they’re also the worst against multiple enemies. I love AOE DPS characters like Jiyan, XLY and even Changli because of this reason, they’re flexible, best against multiple enemies and still amazing against single targets since their dmg stays the same even against them. So yeah, I think AOE DPS characters in general are just above single target DPSs purely because of their flexibility.
@moemoere123
@moemoere123 3 сағат бұрын
Well said
@rayzen119
@rayzen119 10 сағат бұрын
Could you do a FUN tierlist? that would be fun to see. And more controversial than this valuable tier list. haha
@Wolfyyy
@Wolfyyy 17 сағат бұрын
people are missing the point of jiyan being better that jinshi VALUE wise. her aoe is mid or trash to be honest same with carlotta. jiyan can easly sub 1 min clear toa and will always be better than both of them AOE, farming, grouping,auto parry. this is VALUE
@NAi2004
@NAi2004 16 сағат бұрын
I can agree on most his take base on value but in jinshi vs Carlotta no. If his basing which is higher or lower on those two base on their pincer performance (since both excel in the same mode but worst in the same mode), I disagree. Carlotta has better performance than jinshi in it mainly because 1. Jinshi main DMG take time to full forte, not ideal on wave type 2. Jinshi's DMG outside of her forte is decent at best same for her aoe outside her forte. All the while Carlotta 1. Has better average DMG outside her main source 2. Her ultimate(main DMG) is mutliple part and cast(unlike jinshi's one cast Forti). Which makes her similar but worst to xiacliao in pencer. Carlotta has stronger DMG per hit but lower aoe compare to xiang Liao 3. Carlotta main source of aoe outside her ulti is her Forti which has alot of easy technic to full, (even her non enhace Forti has good aoe)
@ryuk6795
@ryuk6795 15 сағат бұрын
Nah man L take
@BarryNo
@BarryNo 14 сағат бұрын
W
@ChangeOfHearts39
@ChangeOfHearts39 14 сағат бұрын
sub 1 minute clear the first levels of the towers yes 😂
@DiurnusKnight
@DiurnusKnight 6 сағат бұрын
Correction for Jinshi. Her AoE is super good but her Multiwave content is bad.
@manoharmojjada6162
@manoharmojjada6162 13 сағат бұрын
as a jiyan main, this makes me happy
@Eviekaii
@Eviekaii 17 сағат бұрын
lmfao nah he didnt just rank Jinhsi there, id let it slide if ure drunk or smth
@narcis6467
@narcis6467 6 сағат бұрын
The video is nice especially for people who may not have some of those characters and want to know where they land. After his is finished, a nice idea will be to do the same for the current weapons in game.(including both 5 stars and 4 stars) for people to know what weapons are more versatile both from the banners and what free to play options are available as 4 stars
@lasemanatiene7dias
@lasemanatiene7dias 17 сағат бұрын
As always, undervaluing Changli and overhyping Jiyan smh
@gustavfrye2736
@gustavfrye2736 2 сағат бұрын
I just began playing again in 2.0 after being absent ever since the launch and I really needed this. Now just waiting for the part 2
@Bakemer94
@Bakemer94 16 сағат бұрын
I love the fighting in the comments. Saint is a genius CC.
@ivanmartinez743
@ivanmartinez743 16 сағат бұрын
More comments = Better algorithim for his channel. Bro has Xiangli Yao's brain fr
@rishuraspencer1262
@rishuraspencer1262 16 сағат бұрын
Is that how actually does it works though? He's glazing jiyan ever since way way before, thought he's tryna sneak him and make people believes with his influence, still doing good for his channel
@Annoyer999
@Annoyer999 13 сағат бұрын
Pulling a character purely for grouping sounds bad until you realize it can shore up Carlotta's weakness and make her OP in all content, not just single target
@ganeshc3750
@ganeshc3750 17 сағат бұрын
Jiyan is pretty overrated. I have to get around 150+ ER so that i can ult every rotation. The weird tech jiyan uses is ok but for some reason changli it is negative. Let me tell you he is worst 5 star to use in overworld which tbh is half the content in the game while pincer is just whatever end game mode to sell the banner characters and you pretty much clear that mode with every character in the game if you have build them
@shoryuken88
@shoryuken88 17 сағат бұрын
The hell are you doing with 150 ER... 120 is enough for me to ult every rotation, i think you need to tweak your rotation a little by using jiyan skill and echo more in between his ult cooldown. Just quick swap
@Skweanky
@Skweanky 16 сағат бұрын
150ER? lmao I can do just fine with 120
@BarryNo
@BarryNo 14 сағат бұрын
120 is enough bro
@gintobitim1611
@gintobitim1611 11 сағат бұрын
Sry to say.. Is this tierlist mainly for pull value? If it's mainly for pull value, ignore my comment. Units like Roccia have lower pull value due to Sanhua existence afterall. This tierlist is only useful for F2P. If you placed them based on roster value, Changli & Roccia are S-A tier. They can do personal dmg but just sacrifice bit to give the buff to their teammates.
@Takodachii1727
@Takodachii1727 10 сағат бұрын
I can say that Roccia is a pull value because on how fixiated he is with how she's powercreeped by a 4star when it comes to buffs. But others is a usability value with content.
@n8nwest563
@n8nwest563 18 сағат бұрын
Jiyan in S tier is absolutely hogwild
@ilari90
@ilari90 17 сағат бұрын
how come, he is great
@n8nwest563
@n8nwest563 17 сағат бұрын
@ he is notably worse than every other 5 star limited mdps other than XY who makes up for it in flexibility and utility
@BS-se4yg
@BS-se4yg 17 сағат бұрын
​@@n8nwest5630 skill take. Jiyan is the strongest Speedrun character along side Carlotta, you are just shit at the game
@skyrimenjoyer
@skyrimenjoyer 17 сағат бұрын
​@@n8nwest563 And Jiyan makes it up by having the best grouping in the game.Him and Roccia will see massive buffs once we see more AOE content(actually already have due to Pincer)
@n8nwest563
@n8nwest563 17 сағат бұрын
@@skyrimenjoyer so will changli, XY, and camellia
@thevip8837
@thevip8837 13 сағат бұрын
Id argue for changli going to S, because quick swap is so damn fun, and is visually pleasing to the eyes, might cure closed sightedness.
@Yanaradreams
@Yanaradreams 16 сағат бұрын
Roccia being a B is such a wild take, it's insane how terrible this ranking is.
@LordZedz
@LordZedz 16 сағат бұрын
True. Should be C.
@JosephAnthony-rw3uc
@JosephAnthony-rw3uc 2 сағат бұрын
Cleared everything with Carlotta, you are just wrong. Retitle this vid as "Value Tier list for tourists"
@QueenAI-ph1xi
@QueenAI-ph1xi 17 сағат бұрын
People seems to forget the fact that this tierlist is about value and not dmg
@Voltwall
@Voltwall 16 сағат бұрын
same value, its bs, just a skill issue
@sevy700
@sevy700 16 сағат бұрын
Less forget, more like ignored feels like.
@championabovechampions5550
@championabovechampions5550 15 сағат бұрын
People seem to forget that f2p players can just pull Zhezhi and have both Jinhsi and Carlotta at their peak performance instantly. Good luck pulling S6 Mortefi in 2 versions of the game tho. Very f2p friendly indeed.
@Takodachii1727
@Takodachii1727 11 сағат бұрын
@@Voltwall Not same value, literally a usability tier list and not a screenshot dmg tierlist
@Voltwall
@Voltwall 10 сағат бұрын
@ usability for what? events end up ez
@Creeperific
@Creeperific 16 сағат бұрын
A support being too reliant on a dps character being top tier makes them top tier too? X to doubt. Pull value should be based on how well the character synergizes with multiple teams while contributing buffs/damage/utility. Zhezhi doesnt have good synergy outside jinhsi and carlotta, her coordinated attacks have mid damage, no grouping, no AoE but she is S tier. Roccia has grouping, universal attack buff, AoE, good damage with investment, fits into multiple quick swap teams but is B tier? The fact that Roccia is not locked with Camellya already says that her pull value is much higher than ultra niche supports like zhezhi. I guess some wuwa players also cant figure out what pull value means. The Roccia slander is real
@__Senpai_XD__
@__Senpai_XD__ 9 сағат бұрын
Heck even changli, how come she's soo low when she can be used in so many different teams. Doesnt pull value means a particular character working in a lot of different situation and not just one niche?
@GrGalan6464
@GrGalan6464 6 сағат бұрын
Hard disagree with your takes. Zhezhi is S tier because she is BiS for the 2 most used DPSes in the game. And it’s by a considerable margin for Carlotta (Taoqi is extremely annoying to use). And she’s the only unit to simultaneously have coordinated attacks and a res skill amplifying outro for Jinhsi (while not being same element as Jinhsi for those extra forte stacks). She also heavily reduces ER requirements, as her outro provides 15 energy on your dps for free (which you fail to mention btw). Roccia primarily used as a BiS support for Camellya and HR. However, what makes her B tier is that she’s barely better than S6 Sanhua. And she is only 1% better in the 1 team that is commonly used in ToA (Camellya hypercarry). She also feels worse to use. Sanhua just needs moonlit+heron and you’re already dealing good damage. Roccia meanwhile needs 70% CR and 130% ER to maximise her 200 ATK buff. There also aren’t many characters that *need* her grouping, especially because it’s wasted on Camellya who already has excellent AoE. You can argue that Roccia is usable in quickswap teams. But that’s not what 99% of people would use her for. You could also argue that a large portion of characters in the game work surprisingly well for quickswap. Especially when Changli already exists. It’s not that Roccia performs badly. The reason why she is ranks so low is that she’s only a 5% upgrade at most when compared to her alternatives. Whereas Zhezhi is *at least* a 25% upgrade for Jinhsi and Carlotta teams, that are used by 80-90% of people. She also *feels* twice as smooth compared to Yuanwu for Jinhsi and Taoqi for Carlotta.
@Creeperific
@Creeperific 6 сағат бұрын
@GrGalan6464 Just because another character buffs similarly doesn't make the other character lower tier. Let me use Genshin as an example. Kazuha is an amazing buffer and grouper, a solid S tier. Xilonen is an amazing buffer, a solid S tier. Having supports that buff similarly don't make one superior over the other. Roccia and C6 Sanhua have similar buffing capability, so why is Sanhua S tier but Roccia B tier? Literally makes 0 sense. Not enough crit rate? Just run 44111 moonlit with ER weapon or just ignore the 200 attack buff all together, treat it like a non C6 Sanhua. The fact that you didn't even consider this makes your argument flawed already. Yes I agree zhezhi is BiS for 2 meta DPS Jinhsi and Carlotta, but you can't use her in both teams, you have to choose either ZZ with Jinhsi or with Carlotta. Roccia being similar to Sanhua means she is free from the Camellya jail which Sanhua is stuck in because there is no other meta basic attacker DPS other than Camellya, which Sanhua only buffs, which is basic attacks. Roccia buffs havoc and basic attacks which is already superior to Sanhua's niche buff. "Zhezhi is at least 25% upgrade for Jinhsi and Carlotta teams" because the 4 stars for them are contributes almost no damage and clunky AF to play, that's why zhezhi feels much better. I hope this debate broadens your mind.
@GrGalan6464
@GrGalan6464 5 сағат бұрын
⁠@@Creeperific This is a tier list for the most *valuable* characters. Not the characters with the highest capabilities. This is literally said in the title of the video. Roccia is not as valuable as Sanhua because she is: 1. A lot more niche 2. Only 1% better even when used in her niche (Camellya hypercarry) 3. Requires a lot more investment in terms of pulls and mats to perform on a similar level Allowing Sanhua to be used elsewhere is the only decent argument for Roccia. And the other BA DPS team she excels in is Aalto (HR prefers Danjin). Which 99.9% of people don’t even use him.
@Creeperific
@Creeperific 5 сағат бұрын
@@GrGalan6464 Well i guess it's no use reasoning with you. Roccia has more utility and buff than Sanhua but you say she is more niche, countering your own argument. Waste of time trying to reason with your Roccia slander and Sanhua glazing
@Ainvkun
@Ainvkun 6 сағат бұрын
Why is bro having a pokke take in this vid
@fdpmc
@fdpmc 17 сағат бұрын
First time disliking your video. Jinhsi Carlotta and Camellya is way better than Jiyan.
@fdpmc
@fdpmc 17 сағат бұрын
My Carlotta cleared both pincer.
@championabovechampions5550
@championabovechampions5550 15 сағат бұрын
I would disagree with Camellya, since she actually has about the same DPS in their most optimal teams with the most optimal rotations. But Jinhsi Carlotta are just objectively better then any other dps' in the game by a mile
@fdpmc
@fdpmc 15 сағат бұрын
@@championabovechampions5550 She does same dmg as jiyan's ult in budding mode + she has a big nuke
@BarryNo
@BarryNo 14 сағат бұрын
Camellya value yes but others no
@fdpmc
@fdpmc 14 сағат бұрын
@@BarryNo You realize that Jinhsi and Carlotta are top dps rn and can clear Holograms with ease do you? Camellya is exceptionally well for events and multiwave contents but endgames like TOA and Holograms Jinhsi and Carlotta are the top.
@notsync202
@notsync202 8 сағат бұрын
Bro's tier list is making me appreciate Prydwen's half baked work. No way he's serious about those placements. 😂
@LotiMcfloti
@LotiMcfloti 17 сағат бұрын
Sanest Jiyan brainrot enjoyer lmao.
@mindhooked
@mindhooked 12 сағат бұрын
The chat is absolutely disgusting lmfao
@Eukira12
@Eukira12 18 сағат бұрын
What about people started playing on 2.0? Will they get Xiangli Yao for free?
@anime6161
@anime6161 18 сағат бұрын
prob not cause in pgr you didnt got the free units as well if you missed the events
@abdullahmohalel8136
@abdullahmohalel8136 17 сағат бұрын
Sadly not, but the game has a lot of gems to farm, and they will rerun every 5 star
@mephilaz_3881
@mephilaz_3881 17 сағат бұрын
I returned to the game after Yinlin's release and nope, I didn't get Xiangli Yao sadly
@Lexihides
@Lexihides 17 сағат бұрын
Carlotta being expensive is so lore accurate
@anandur32
@anandur32 18 сағат бұрын
My mans you must try Jinshi with Yuanwu in current pincer maneuver, I easily cleared the final endless run with 8000 (overall) score first try
@kharis9120
@kharis9120 17 сағат бұрын
me too i finish pincer with carlotta first try, i don't remember the score, because i thought the pincer got nerved
@sevy700
@sevy700 16 сағат бұрын
@@kharis9120 It did, after what happened last time...
@KUROFEYMURPHY
@KUROFEYMURPHY 14 сағат бұрын
This king always bring us the best wisdom and insight to wuthering waves love it
@MourningAix
@MourningAix 18 сағат бұрын
he probably have a s6 jiyan 😂
@ShinMoonWatcher
@ShinMoonWatcher 11 сағат бұрын
My Carlotta was barely able to clear Pincer because of Yinlin. This vid made me realize she has no AoE
@kaloyanivanov885
@kaloyanivanov885 10 сағат бұрын
She has like 4 different aeo abilities. You just suck ass. Why would you put Yinlin and carlotta in the same team?
@kharis9120
@kharis9120 8 сағат бұрын
@@ShinMoonWatcher are you sure you are playing her correctly?
@MuniC-z8c
@MuniC-z8c 7 сағат бұрын
Makes sense why you can barely clear it. It's a miracle you can even clear it
@kaloyanivanov885
@kaloyanivanov885 7 сағат бұрын
@MuniC-z8c What are you talking about? Carlotta is one of the easiest resonators to clear this with
@MuniC-z8c
@MuniC-z8c 6 сағат бұрын
@@kaloyanivanov885 i was meaning to say it makes sense he had a hard time when he paired carlotta with yinlin which has zero synergy. I don't slander carlotta, i slander his ability to play the game lmfao
@teOxgg
@teOxgg 17 сағат бұрын
Re:Jiyan you're giving Pincer Maneuvers too much weight lol. it's by far the easiest to max astrite of all modes so it should matter the least. People aren't out there struggling with Pincer Maneuvers.
@Noamy092
@Noamy092 17 сағат бұрын
Pincer is easy u r right but the new endgame content which is coming next patch wont be as easy and people will struggle there even more than toa 😂
@ryuk6795
@ryuk6795 15 сағат бұрын
​@@Noamy092bro every new patch gonna bring new things if that the case 6.7 charcater is gonna be stronger then jiyan
@__Senpai_XD__
@__Senpai_XD__ 9 сағат бұрын
​@@ryuk6795🤫dont give them spoilers
@ryuk6795
@ryuk6795 6 сағат бұрын
@@__Senpai_XD__ okey
@tudoot
@tudoot 12 сағат бұрын
Next poll we're asking them to fix Yinlin
@Jiii8777
@Jiii8777 16 сағат бұрын
Saint I’m starting to think you might just be 🏳️‍🌈
@Vayola-I
@Vayola-I 17 сағат бұрын
I WANT MY BOOBA WAIFU TO BE TOP TIER!!!! BOOBA OVER META!!!
@hothead757
@hothead757 17 сағат бұрын
This man is screaming what everyone wants to say lol
@ryuk6795
@ryuk6795 8 сағат бұрын
Bro have been spending more time on hoyo and its drama then actually playing the game
@Iroh-lowkey
@Iroh-lowkey 8 сағат бұрын
He even got c6 alhaitham🤣
@xhendrik3003
@xhendrik3003 18 сағат бұрын
Jiyan my goat
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