The Mouse Utopia Experiments | Down the Rabbit Hole

[@frankdupreez]

There was a rat in New York that trained turtles to fight crime, saw a documentary on it when i was a kid.

[@kransencrates]

That made me laug out loud in all this doom and gloom in the comments.

[@crm9934]

Underrated comment

[@sridevimogilineedi1310]

TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES

[@Lush_Produce]

I know that made a childrens cartoon and teenagers comic based off the documentary

[@Sergeant_Stiffy]

Wow sounds like an amazing documentary

[@noahalien4665]

Basically near the end young having gone through extreme child abuse (neglect and physical) don’t want to have kids, and when they do have kids have no idea what they’re doing.

[@donquesewilliamswilliams3497]

Millenials

[@DeandreSteven]

@@donquesewilliamswilliams3497 i also got that feeling

[@LumbrerasD27]

The explanation for the mental health issue of XXI century

[@TheJasonjd11]

Daleth Lumbreras you’re such an edgelord you had to type in Roman numerals hahaha you sad fuck

[@MaestreVV]

@@TheJasonjd11 wot

[@StarryNightxx]

That awkward moment when the dominant male rat bullies you but then he lookin kinda cute

[@DidObamaCare]

Fuck. You got me 🤣

no homo ahhaha

[@justas423]

Stockholm syndrome/abusive relationships.

[@byua1835]

@@justas423 LMAO

[@shmod4135]

Bruh

[@IntergalacticDustBunny]

To be fair, Calhoun never called any of his experiments a "Utopia", nor did he set out to design one. The term utopia was used by someone outside the experiment and it stuck. What Calhoun designed was a city, then he put that city on the Welfare system, and then he set back and recorded what happened. He did more experiments after universe 25, but he actually added more enriching activities for the mice (toys, puzzles, etc.) and he had more positive results, so his long term experiments actually proved a utopia WAS POSSIBLE, but certain conditions had to be met, like plenty of mental enrichment being a big factor.

[@iseetheendisnear2416]

Underrated comment

[@Y_N_Princess]

Thanks

[@raphk9599]

Japan

[@cal2kal]

​@@raphk9599 U. S.

[@cisco4143]

"welfare" lmao

[@alicequinones1717]

He forgot to mention but a lot of the outcast males got into swords and anime

[@taxevasion4870]

Lmaoooo

[@ckw4244]

Hah I thought this was my comment! How weird

[@thevisi0naryy]

Lol

[@jackieweaver3884]

LMAOO

[@colton7373]

@@ckw4244 lol

[@joebob4091]

That awkward moment when you make a rat utopia but forget to add the utopia so you just add more rat

[@notevenjoe]

@@dtyj2815 rg NJ u it guy ugh ukuuuh

[@Ohflipsnap]

@@dtyj2815 No, the food and water are the preset conditions in this experiment. The horrible stuff about segregation, rape and slaughter came as a result of not being able to cope with the changes to the rodents' natural way of life. You cannot have a utopia if the people within it are not enjoying it, and those rats clearly weren't. If anything, this is one of the most dystopian stories to ever exist.

[@Ohflipsnap]

@@dtyj2815 You're missing my point. Rats are naturally scavengers, so when everything they need for scavenging is suddenly just available on a whim, the rats need to adjust their new living situations accordingly, but they don't really know how to do that. Calhoun created a utopia, yes, but that same utopia quickly dissolves into a dystopia since the rats cannot figure out how to live in their new environment in a way that is beneficial for everyone. A utopia is a world where everyone (or at the very least the ideal citizens) are living in relative harmony. These rats were not experiencing any of this, at all. The preset conditions are one of a utopia, yes, but a population that cannot adjust to that which goes against their very nature as rodents forces these utopias to quickly become dystopias. This is what I'm trying to say here. Maybe this isn't quite the same, but let's take Nazi Germany for example: It was suppose to be a utopia for the German people. World War II aside, Nazi Germany was anything but a utopia. This is because of the persecution towards jews and political opponents, and the obsessions over a "master race." Also the only people truly able to benefit from the Nazi system were of course Nazi party members, and even then it was only the ones who had the support of Hitler and his subordinates. Do you think people enjoyed having their friends and neighbors "disappear" overnight? Or even having to take part in the departure of their friends? Do you think they enjoyed watching others being arrested and killed in the streets en masse? Or having any of their criticisms of the system heavily censured and receiving death threats if they continued this opposition to the Nazi system? For a Nazi, their Germany must've felt like a utopia. For everyone else? A dystopia; Hell. They would've wanted to ditch the country soon as possible. Hell, in the Mouse Utopia Experiment, the rats tried to escape, but they couldn't so they had to cope with segregation. Obviously, that didn't work.

[@AhmadPhilips]

@@dtyj2815 its not a utopia if you cant escape. Also they got nothing to do. Nothing new to explore. Just eat sleep have sex and fight.

[@connorohare1808]

All Utopias produce the worst Hell

[@chickenpermission1861]

Okay, for everyone commenting on how, “well, duh, of course they were depressed, they were bored, why didn’t he think of that!” He actually did! His later experiments were all focused on trying to fix the behavioral sink issues of his firsts, and involved giving the mice things to do. This is actually where the Author of Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH (the book Secret of NIMH was based on) pulls much of his inspiration! The rat utopia the rats from the book sought to make was based on these later experiments. He even got the name of the main character, Mrs Frisby, from the Frisby Calhoun kept on his lab door for when he needed a little bit of fun too! The problem is that no one really cared too much about Calhouns later experiments, with some fellows saying, “ everyone wanted to hear the diagnosis, no one wanted to hear the cure.” And the fact that they weren’t even mentioned in the video kinda irks me.

[@yugimumoto1]

Yeah. But Fred usually goes for the bigger hole leaving out the smaller less important subjects. As the experiments as you mentioned were not popular, It would make sense to not cover it as it had less of an effect on the nation's psyche outside of "The rats of NIMH" (great book and movie I might add). For example his video on the SCP foundation mainly covers the original controversy with no update on the lesser arguments in the community or newer ones that have cropped up. I believe by the time he made his Mother Horse Eyes video the book had unofficially been cancelled as you can tell from the responses on the subreddit. I don't think Fred does it deliberately because he has a certain image he wants to show (In fact he has denied this on his second channel), It more had to do that those later experiments and stories would be ground for an entirely different video, and sometimes (especially in this case) there isn't enough content for an hour or half hour video (the general length of this series)

[@TheTriggerhappyhippi]

@susan ivy user tag

[@idrisa7909]

Kinda annoyed this video didn't mention rat park, which I do get because its a separate experiment with different researchers, but it's strikingly similar to me in regard to aspects of what provoked it and the difference in result

[@scottsmith7969]

So did giving the rats activities change the results of the experiment by reducing the social sink?

[@chickenpermission1861]

@@scottsmith7969 Yeah, because in the older experiments he’d essentially been trapping them without anything to do or accomplish or take up their time so they went nuts. Giving them enrichment fixed that problem.

[@NorthwestNicholas]

Think makes me think of corporate offices and their “open work environment” mentality. I always felt like a mouse packed into a over populated cage. They say open work environments aid communication between teams, but spending 9+ hours a day packed into a corporate office stressed me out more than I ever imagined.

[@MrKoalaburger]

A former job I had tried that and everyone just put ear buds in lol

[@Treblaine]

It's a punishment room, the reward is to get to an office. The "pit" is a fine place to visit but a terrible place to stay. Though I think the true reason "open plan" is used is bad management, they don't know how many people they'll need and just try to cram more people into the space that they have, open plan gets more bodies into a unit area.

[@stuarthall3874]

There are times I very much enjoy working around other people in a communal environment and other times that I need space for myself. Of course providing that flexibility is an extra expense for a company. One would have to convince them that the benefits outweigh the costs.

[@tomo1168]

@@Treblaine the open plan is much cheaper then closed offices. you can put in there much more people on the same area.

[@dumyjobby]

it's done so that there is collective oversight, this why if you don't work everybody notice. seems horrible

[@RockyGems]

Oh sure, when he does it, he's "fascinating," but when I do it I'm "no longer welcome at Petsmart."

[@Anhviet19]

Rocky Gems try Petco

[@gregnubody3871]

Petco puts animals that don't sell in a freezer to die.

[@lauriebot3941]

Petco did nothing wrong...

[@pizzabuffeyy]

I heard Petco doesn't sell pets

[@AtaMarKat]

“Million Dollar Book Deal” vs “Fired, now get out, or I’m calling the cops.”

[@guytorie]

Calhoun sounds like a man who had a deep psychological need for The Sims. But unfortunately for him and those animals, The Sims didn't exist yet.

[@feihtyt2063]

Sims! The game that helps people not murder each other.... or kill innocent animals.... (Yes I know this still happens but people, just create a sim verison of them and kill that one. Repeatedly)

[@SalahEddineH]

@@feihtyt2063My sister was so good as killing Sims. She'd go full on genocide, by organising a party, having everyone come over, then wall them in and kill them in a house fire. She would also feed rotten food to her guests to poison them.. Yeah I should be worried, shouldn't I?

[@feihtyt2063]

@@SalahEddineH keep an eye on her. I kill someone people in sims, but not like.... that. Keep a eye on her

[@deathzombee]

@@SalahEddineH have her start a youtube channel

[@parrotshootist3004]

He was associated with Eugenics groups. This wasn't an experiement as presented. Not when you look at those critters and our society and then look at things like the assocation of Orwell, 1984 and the Fabian Society found in 1884(also deeply assocaited with Eugenics) ..

[@hana-chan420]

>tries to conduct an allegorical study on over-population >ends up creating rat-cels and chad-rats

[@Baltimore_Hood_Vines_2014]

>fucking rat-cels

[@extragroovy735]

@Jökull Tinni Ingvarsson more like rat-shaquishas

[@mattyboi7491]

One main difference the rats are much cleaner then the incels

[@htf5555]

just like real life

[@aestheticgarbage6671]

i mean, it was sort of inevitable that creating a social setting would lead to a hierarchy.

[@Exitof99]

I had just over 50 rats at one time, thanks to a friend mixing up and putting two girls in the boys home. I had 10, 6 boys and 4 girls, and a couple weeks later there was over 30. I don't remember how the third pregnancy occurred. I had built a large cube in the living room with two plexiglass wall for the boys, which outnumbered the girls. Everyone was happy and healthy and no fights. The most incredible moment I saw was when one boy was taking the dry spaghetti from me and placing them equally next to his brothers/cousins. He literally would eye how many they had and once they had enough, he'd finally take some for himself.

[@mrcontroversy222]

I had a white rate named yo-yo. I could leave his cage open. He would never leave my game room. He would be all over the place. Up on shelves and under stuff. He would always come to me when I walked in or came home. Miss that little bastard.

[@mindsigh4]

Willard

[@Exitof99]

@@mrcontroversy222 They truly are sweet creatures with big hearts. The mother of my brood was like that, free-reign in my room and would run up to me when I came in for scritches.

[@mindsigh4]

@@Exitof99 i had two as a kid, Pixie & Dixie, they were used rats, my folks were divorced & so my dads place became home to other peoples pets, critters that their kids neglected or got tired of, the rats had cages bul we let them out to explore all the time. so they were semi cage free free range good natured little cheese weasels

[@HyenaOnTheRoad]

I have 4 rats (and have had about 15 in total over the years). They are the sweetest friends, if socialized well. Little dogs.

[@fourfangrooster272]

Less dominant male rats: imma clap them cheeks Dominant male rats: sure thing

[@jedisentinel4879]

Definetly the weridest part of it all.

[@Spalbeert]

😂😂🤦🏻‍♂️

[@gomibak514]

ha big gae

[@salvadorramirez4114]

Maybe what we thought were the less dominant ones were actually the "pimps"

[@gs-nq6mw]

That also happens at prison

[@jonbainmusicvideos8045]

Must have been 1 rodent going: "I think there is a conspiracy here, we're living in a matrix." But the others reckoned him a conspiracy theorist and bit his ears off.

[@maisies515]

Jon Bain makes complete sense

[@misaamane2850]

The human was literally just standing there lol

[@crunchyTOP24]

Neo the rat never got to see the morpheus behind the experiment. Rip

[@rhiannonhooper1508]

And the creator just stood over and took notes..

[@ryhanzfx1641]

The problem is that its the opposite, they all knew the matrix aka the humans and fake environment there, just that some think its either controlled or not, but rats all have instinct anyway so it doesn't matter

[@KevinoftheCosmos]

This is the most fascinating documentary on Detroit I've seen yet.

[@JACKSTAY]

Kevin Carpenter wait a minute

[@GM-qq1wi]

I've been laughing at this comment for 2 hours.

[@entropyfan9417]

BITCH STOP EXPOSING OUR CITY

[@dboot8886]

"Ever since the cheese factories shut down, Hold up... EY FOOL! FOREVER REPPIN' VELVEETA LANE SWISS GANG. WICHO CHUCKY CHEESE LOOKIN ASS... Sorry, like I said..."

[@kevtlee08]

Well played

[@moatddtutorials]

Social media also strikes me as a sort of rat utopia as well. Inescapable, overpopulated and full of behavioural sinks.

[@stuarthall3874]

Good point, though I think it is possible to escape. Maybe the pressure to be "connected" in that way is greater on the younger generations (i.e. inescapable) than I experience as a 53 y.o.?

[@joeljustjazzing]

@@stuarthall3874 yeah just smash up your device and your done, or maybe plug out your router and turn off your data.

[@SuicidalSummerSnowWoman]

not really... its more comparable to alcohol abuse than anything...its escapable

[@brovid-19]

@@joeljustjazzing or butt stuff

[@Tellitlikeitis-e8v]

Social media is of the devil. Has damn near ruined humanity especially the younger generations

[@sheimy1588]

Male rats: *bullies * other male rats: stfu before I kiss you

[@echotheneko7346]

I swear this is how fanfic works xD LMAO

[@Mr.imperfectking]

Yoooo am fucking dead

[@baldgagits2107]

Goddamn it💀💀

[@dantethespoon1087]

I swear this is a yaoi trope

[@tsuol7296]

@@nippon9429 shut

[@jacobdrum97]

"... he would need more data." Is rarely a comforting phrase to hear.

[@snorlaxx420xx8]

Jacob Drum I forget the name of the story, but this reminds me of a creepypasta where a father has no choice but to lock his family up in their basement with very little food to study their behavior for some fucked up science experiment.

[@Nebularban]

+Shin Christzilla What's the name of the creepypasta?

[@bigidiotdumbstupidguy9329]

Shin Christzilla Yo, please tell [the chat] us if/when you find/remember the name of the story. It sounds like a combo of SCP, the rat utopia, and parts of the MHE series or River God.

[@jacobdrum97]

I looked it up, and it sounds like it's this one: creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/Psychologist.

[@deltoroperdedor3166]

Shin Christzilla the Psychologist. Starving Dogs is a prequel to that story. The Harbinger Experiment is also interesting

[@paulsmith5469]

The newest mouse utopia was on "horders" tv show. This guy loved rats so much he just let them take over the house. He slept in the shed in the backyard so they wouldn't lick his eyes for moisture while he slept.

[@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim]

holy crap!!!!!

[@salamantics]

@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim Not being sarcastic, very well put.

[@aygwm]

Bruh

[@wojakthecrusader1410]

If he loves them so much they should just let them have their house, and you become homeless amirite fellas?

[@robbertbobbert1177]

What’s even wilder, is that after he got rid of the rats someone broke into his house and killed him. Guess he should’ve kept the rats

[@ultrafer5022]

I'm sure this guy would have loved to play Sims

[@Sensiav703]

It certainly would have been a better use of his time.

[@codybess1288]

Come on that's not fair to say...everyone loves the Sims

[@lemightypants327]

AI does not compare to real animal social behavior

[@codybess1288]

@@lemightypants327 you're right you can only program an animal to do exact things in exact scenarios and the only way to know for sure would would happen in thoses exact scenarios is to do live trials programmed trials for animal experementarions will never be ground breaking the can only be preprogrammed to what the programmer thinks would happen

[@endurabledude4264]

@@codybess1288 digest.bps.org.uk/2005/11/02/why-perform-psychology-experiments-on-rats/

[@karenabrams8986]

What i got out of that is the way we design prisons makes people sicker.

[@aWomanFreed]

And now we know why

[@wilmagregg3131]

well duh prison is a punishment and so to avoid back breaking labour or torture of the old days they just make everything ever so slightly shitte so it punishes people in a more subtle way.

[@agares-kun872]

Nahhh, the structure of prisons is different. The structure of these Utopias doesn't focus solely on enclosure that you see in prisons. Population growth in an unhindered society is what most likely causes the changes in behavior. You don't see that in a prison where reproduction is not a thing.

[@wilmagregg3131]

@@agares-kun872 yeah i ment more of saying the effects of confined living and relativly semilar in lack of stimulation though even the most crappy prisons tend to have free librarys at least now days

[@HorkSupreme]

It's one of the most torturous things we can do to people but somehow it isn't seem as cruel or unusual.

[@wowitsjay]

Ratatouille 2 looks good so far

[@kouyasakurada5547]

Check out the prequel, Ratatoing.

[@buffalowill1614]

Rad the Rattata word

[@just_going_mads]

Rata2e

[@thequestmaster2008]

You said it gun sound!

[@Gabgoody]

What about flushed away 2 you uncultured swine.

[@mariobroseins]

I think there were 2 key problems: lack of challenges and lack of activity. Too much challenge could led to stress, hopelessness and similar; similar with having no rest has bad effects too. However also the opposite too little or none leads to results like in the rat experiment. So fora healthy live, activity and challenges are needed. Like when people retire, they need hobbies, social life, physical activity and so on. Sitting only on a coach watching TV and snacking, even if it feels like I am so free, will surely end badly.

[@mariobroseins]

I'm wondering if running wheels similar these for hamster were added the result would have been devastating. So there would have been an activity and aggression could have been consumed by running (maybe)

[@AnonYmous-gg9oq]

Seems like the way we are headed now there is AI.

[@therappingdog1117]

​@Humberto Vargas and? They are living beings just like we are

[@MrKoalaburger]

That's my take away from this study too. What he created was a literal prison, not a city. (and the rats acted more like prisoners than city residents, too).

[@BatmanBeyondBelief]

I’ve heard before that many men die soon after they retire due to lack of stimulation

[@kathrinapayton2911]

i think the bareness of the cages might have had something to do with it, at least a little bit. there is no stimulation for the mice and rats outside of interacting with eachother. no toys or things to climb. that might also explain why prisons reflected the rat utopia the most, because they dont have anything like a career or learning to focus on

[@alabastardmasterson]

Your thoughts are infantile and without merit. Nature has little use for "toys"

[@kathrinapayton2911]

@@alabastardmasterson :D

[@bloodstoneore4630]

@@alabastardmasterson toys, predators, unevenly designed environment, or any other stimulation would work

[@vudi2103]

@@alabastardmasterson ok boomer

[@liamkerr7183]

@@vudi2103 it was an unevenly designed environment and nothing would "work". Rat City as an exception, all of the experiments were made to prove the theory of behavioral sink. Rat City was the only one where he had utopia as the goal and his mistake was forcing the rats to live with unwanted members of their society. They would have played with eachother and entertained eachother. That's not the problem. Even I used to think it was until this video explained to me that they were forced to live with the social outcasts.

[@phiro4305]

I knew New Yorkers were weird but this is on a whole other level

[@MrSuperJayJay84]

😂😂

[@bunnybunowo5967]

We aren't weird, it's just taxes...😎 WHY THE FUCK DO WE PAY TO MUCH FUCKING TAXES AHHHGHHJRUFHDFH

[@hah-vj7hc]

@@bunnybunowo5967 You seem weird

[@acek2016]

Defender DON yeah

[@Thekingkhari]

Lmao

[@羅皓陽]

“In this final stage called Death, Calhoun noted that the female mice began to eat hot chip, charge de phone, lie, and Twerk. As this period went on, certain males would begin to make music citing the movie Scott Pilgrim Vs The World as somehow being closely tied with the females current status”

[@fintanmathewes5587]

Bpd and ecstacy...

[@羅皓陽]

Fintan Mathewes I hate the I know where this goes

[@fintanmathewes5587]

@@羅皓陽 i mean, the song is OK, but some people took it too seriously Both in veiwing it as seriously anti-woman, and as something to fawn over and protect. Its just a musical shitpost, playing as a critic on a specific style somd people.follow

[@yoko3173]

Bright dyed hair but dead inside.......

[@hotlinerevachol5436]

@@yoko3173 Plan B lifetime supply

[@TheReubenShow]

I connected four fish tanks with 8 foot clear plastic pipes, they had been four separate worlds, two for goldfish, one for tetras, and one tank for a 12 inch pleco. The water is circulated between tanks and the whole system has one filter. The behavior stuff has been the most interesting. Two of the tanks are always crowded and two are underpopulated. Two goldfish readily take the tunnels, two stumble into them occasionally, and two won't go in. One goldfish likes living by herself with a hundred tetras and minnows, another alternates between a crowded tank and the ghost town next door. The giant pleco travels the 30 foot length to see a pleco in the far tank. The book says never put them together, but I guess it means never trap them together. Only one fish acted worse, a pink shark catfish. When the worlds came together, he realized what happened and went from tank to tank, beating up the goldfish.

[@Arkansas532]

Brilliant

[@CriticalThinker27]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!

[@woodyharrelson2624]

Pink shark catfish are generally assholes

[@cerradin]

You could unironically write a scientific paper with this data

[@TheReubenShow]

@@cerradin I am keeping better data, now, since you mention it. We tried to use trail cameras to monitor the transits, but the cold blooded fishes don't trigger the sensor! I call the system The Metropolis.

[@jadekaay]

Maan.. Stuart Little 2 looks *intense*

[@crazyfulla]

yeah theres a reason they had to redo the script.. original version was not too family friendly

[@aleixiaprof7155]

Actually, it’s a prequel to the first Stuart Little. Stuart is raised in one of the Universes and must overcome the abuse, trauma, and psychologicL horror that haunts him throughout adolescence. After being kicked out by his mother and brutally assaulted by fellow mice in the Utopia, an elder mouse tells him of the simulation he is living in, and that his life is a lie and that he must escape. Months of training and hiding prepare him for the escape from his Utopian society and revolt against collectivism and the matrix he is a slave to. He violently attacks his brothers and the mice around him, slaughtering hundreds of innocent women and children in cold-blooded revenge. He finally breaks through the walls of his city, and set out to murder his human captors. However, he manages to get hit on the head in a comedic fashion. From the trauma, he has been given amnesia and increased intellegence. In a Truman-esque fashion, producers of a popular television show take him in and force him to relive his life in a forced ideal simulation with his family, the Littles. Film theorists say that Stuart Little 3 will expand on the further plot-points. He will remember his past, become his rage full self again, and discover the truth of his television series currently being filmed about him. The final moment we will see of him will be him unable to escape and committing suicide inside of a washing machine with help from enemy Snowbelle.

[@imanuelpeter8897]

@@aleixiaprof7155 wtf

[@ZeFluffyKnight]

You mean 4?

[@endsieg302]

isn't there already a stuart little 2?

[@heathermasonfan]

I like how he didn't account for the fact that having nothing to do but eat sleep and reproduce in a small place might just drive any creature insane

[@heathermasonfan]

@@mitchellfrancis8978 that is true, however I still think being trapped in one place would affect them, seeing as how I didn't leave the house much before the covid quarantine but when the quarantine happened I was itching to get out

[@gutkatze8472]

@@mitchellfrancis8978 he even sayd that mice that cant find anything to do there normale leave and search for a new colony. Wich would solve overpopulation and the behaverial sink problem

[@TheUltraDinoboy]

Rats need enrichment

[@WillowTDog]

@@mitchellfrancis8978 Except rats are quite intelligent. Not as much as, say crows or dolphins, but still very smart. Not to mention, these days, we know that almost any animal needs enrichment materials to be happy. Things to interact with are essential. Almost all mammals need to be able to play.

[@MegaBanne]

Even Karl Marx recognized the importance of work to keep any human healthy.

[@Iyiouseismouse]

I had pet rats when I was younger and a few mice once also. One thing that I remember is that having a wheel was important not only for them to stay fit but to burn off excess energy and not get bored or depressed. I wonder if having a bunch of wheels in there would have helped things?

[@KelniusTV]

The dumb thing is, you're not a scientist... but I think you're right. Where was the recreation?

[@joserobinho356]

This is why utopia is impossible. If something has no reason to work as it is completely provided for, eventually the system will fail.

[@danielgockerell]

You’re right. They only had basic living needs. Nothing else. Although i wonder if all a bunch of mice treadmills would’ve done is just prolong their inevitable fate.

[@danielgockerell]

Nope. Wait that didn’t make sense. I meant prolong their lives until they eventually would’ve ended up like they did regardless.

[@danielgockerell]

Ok I’m fucking too stupid to comment lol

[@knightsoftheroundbagel6254]

This proves that when locked in a room with rats, the rats do, in fact, make you crazy.

[@uhoh7545]

Crazy? I was crazy once...

[@lanrun9775]

They Locke me in a room ​@@uhoh7545

[@imscared5002]

They put me in a room. A rubber room...

[@biel1351]

then the outcast realized he could cook and manipulated a human into opening a restaurant so he could cook in Paris.

[@duifmethoed]

They should make a movie about that

[@和樹詩桜]

@@duifmethoed well....

[@nicolascoast9653]

I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERRENCE

[@ppurpleduck]

@@duifmethoed movie would never take off. probably be forgotten

[@Josuh]

@Coo Chi Bold of you to assume little kids would be remotely interested in watching this when there's epic fornite funny moments amogus fnf compilation #57

[@DIABETOR]

I clicked this video because the thumbnail looks like a quesadilla but I stayed for the psychological terror

[@A-No-One]

I like pain

[@nunyabiznes33]

That's what's wrong with their society... They don't have El Queso Bandido to save them.

[@seamusmckeon9109]

Now I’m hungry

[@dizzyfett5495]

I came for the psychological terror and stayed for the comments lol

[@jlllx]

never change

[@vallisdaemonumofficial]

*TURNED THE FRIGGIN RODENTS GAY*

[@tkayshakur2500]

(Ruffles papers to get your attention)

[@peterbills4129]

CITIES ARE TURNING THE FREAKIN' HUMANS GAY!

[@MattKismet]

Vallis Daemonum lmao

[@shaunyjimenez9637]

*SLAPS TABLE IN CAPS*

[@jaysonklein6018]

Rabbits have a place perchance to pansexuality... NOT because of "cities", but because the species have little differentiation between genders (rabbits be lookin androgynous).

[@devenp.5508]

As someone who grew up in the country and moved to the city I’ve found it extremely uncomfortable having so many people so close to me.

[@Caffeine_Addict_2020]

"I'm not comfortable living this close to medical care", eh?

[@EragonShadelayerGR]

"Their behavioural repertoire became largely confined to eating, drinking, sleeping and grooming" 《Insert quarantine joke here》

[@lmao2302]

After quarantine everybody gonna be a snack.

[@peepeeweewee1573]

Wheres the react where the guy laughs and then he realizes a further implication of what he saw and his face drops and his eyes go wide

[@somedude8346]

Quarantine has me so deprived from human contact to the point where the idea of passionately making out and cuddling with my guy friends doesnt make me feel weird

[@gypsygypsy4561]

@@somedude8346 bruh what?

[@skrungly6839]

@@somedude8346 I felt that

[@KJ-nw8ge]

What was left out tho: he did one more experiment with the mice. Where he made puzzles to release food. Those mice who completed the tasks were deemed more dominant and the social structure would change occasionally. Thus meaning, if there is a challenge and you stake it on, society will continue .

[@maziedelsordo2114]

Give them a job and entertainment and they will not revolt.

[@yyg4632]

it would be nice to see that in the video

[@ThatGorl8]

No it just means he learned proper mice husbandry smh.

[@harryrobson3181]

Chad rats

[@mateussilva635]

@@maziedelsordo2114 The mice don't revolt, their social order (how bad it may be be) collapses.

[@CanadianTopG]

He was able to easily distinguish the outcast males by their neckbeards and fedoras.

[@davehoward3645]

Don’t forget about the ones dressed in black and colored hair

[@youdontknowme2913]

@@davehoward3645 goth?

[@davehoward3645]

YOUDONTKNOWME and Antifa and the loke

[@youdontknowme2913]

@@davehoward3645 ahhh okok

[@fpopee]

Along with shitty overpriced craft beer

[@nickshinault870]

Imagine how this would have played out if the rats had discovered alcohol

[@cirroc213]

The same but faster

[@idrisa7909]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park

[@randomanun4278]

I'd imagine q potato famine would ensue...

[@idrisa7909]

@@randomanun4278 dude wtf

[@nickshinault870]

@@idrisa7909 that was actually very informative, thank you!

[@archer4514]

Chad Rats : Yo get outta here or else Incel rats : You gon make me act up, you gon make me do something I’m gonna regret

[@sudipanand7898]

😂😂😂

[@timbroski4487]

My middle name is rat

[@limicoline]

*ACT UP BY CITY GIRLS INTENSIFIES* _-act up bouta get snatched up-_

[@IQbelowaverage]

omllll💀💀

[@JD-os2kr]

Basically yes

[@cass_is_a_fork]

Society turned the rats gay, what’s next? The frogs?

[@seignee]

*TAP WATER MADE THE FROGS GAY*

[@Professionaldumbass6998]

Nah the frogs are getting turned by the water, not society

[@poppedcorn652]

Hoomans gey

[@chloequattlebaum997]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3u1fXZ4l5ykgZo

[@nipsarecomingoff1902]

Obama did that years ago. I got the shirt that proves it.

[@kskeel1124]

Funny that no film or pictures have been released to the public to this day...

[@ikannunaplays]

It was a experiment to influence society, you think they're going to release much of anything. There is no coincidence they made a movie in 1982 called "The Secret of NIMH" featuring lab rats that escaped their cages after being altered genetically.

[@casadegaitan]

❤

[@aaronmoreton]

He obviously didn't address every need of the mice. They had no entertainment. When you don't need to spend time and energy on finding food/water and avoiding predators then you have a lot of leisure time. That needs to be filled with something especially in such a high energy creature.

[@pockiiee2]

aaronmoreton yes i agree - through the lens of today and years of research on animal intelligence, seems obvious that he ignored emotional and intellectual wellbeing - the rats were essentially bored to death.

[@anmolpatel793]

But I think rats don't have the intellectual and imaginative capabilities of a human , they only need food sex and water and basic things required for survival rats don't ask why or how or attempt to manipulate their environment on a human level their main focus on life is survival they have no concept of entertainment and probably their brains are not built to feel it

[@TheRibbonRed]

@@anmolpatel793 rats that were previously straight became gay (or as Calhoun would like to say, "pansexual") though. I don't think they completely lack the need for entertainment/engaging activities, even if those needs are in a far less culturally-developed form in comparison to humans' need for entertainment. Also, just as it is a biological need, the process of sex and the hunt for food are entertainment to the brain in themselves. Having those needs easily attainable without doing much work leaves something to be desired in the brain, often cultivating to overeating and hypersexuality as seen in the end results of the experiment (and in small part of humanity ourselves).

[@SC-ce3vp]

@@anmolpatel793 do you know what a treadmill is?

[@DENAY1968]

@@anmolpatel793 why do they love to run on wheels and toys are available for them in pet shops? Believe it or not, I sprayed wd-40 on a windmill decor in my yard because it was squealing and a wasp's nest was in the location I sprayed, after at least 10mins I walked thru my yard no where near the windmill but a wasp landed on my upper arm stung me a flew away????? So, it recognized me from spraying the nest, ruining the home, and possibly killing its offspring after time passed??? Critters are smarter than we give them credit for.

[@Laetu]

I’m surprised that Prisons weren’t radically reformed after this.

[@kikifromholland6469]

People don't care about prisoners...

[@Laetu]

Kiki FromHolland I know... it’s sad.

[@Married-To-The-Universe]

Most of the time if your in prison you deserve to be there so. Dont wanna do the time, dont do the crime 🤷‍♂️

[@kikifromholland6469]

@@Married-To-The-Universe that's easy for you to say. Maybe think about what you say. People are getting put behind bars when they are not guilty all the time. People who spend more than 5 years in terrible circumstances without doing one damn thing. So please, have some respect

[@Married-To-The-Universe]

@@kikifromholland6469 how about you have some respect for the words I said and use your brain? What part of MOST OF THE TIME, did you not comprehend? I didn't say let them all rot you peon. Respect? this is the internet lady. Have some respect for yourself and realize there is none of that here.

[@sadisticanonymity]

“What are we gonna do tonight, Brain?” “The same thing we do every night, Pinky.” *”Clap some gay rat cheeks.”*

[@stvxofcorpses]

this comment needs to get to the top of the comments 😂😂😂

[@who_is_oni]

Yesssiiiiirrrrrr

[@scott8591]

Lolz.

[@carolinejohnson6402]

Try to take over the world

[@TheFatestPat]

Zort!

[@turnip4wutofficial]

shoutout to this video for not only getting me into down the rabbit hole, but also inspiring me to cover this topic for an informative speech project in high school. watching this years later on the bus to my job and remembering the childlike wonder of learning new things of my own accord.

[@user-bs4kg7db5v]

everybody be talking about the rats being gay while I'm here thinking this concept of a whole species self destructing within a few generations is low key terrifying

[@Wearywastrel]

It's definitely terrifying. It's also happening.

[@TheTriggerhappyhippi]

@@AzuriteGaming ok unoriginal trend follower. I'm a millennial BTW.

[@alabastardmasterson]

@@TheTriggerhappyhippi there are similarities but your "examples" aren't well thought out

[@TheTriggerhappyhippi]

@@alabastardmasterson how so.

[@ybunnygurl]

@@TheTriggerhappyhippi metro sexually? What year is this 2002? The reason most of us millennials and younger people are not having kids is we can't afford them; we have to have a side gig, or hold two jobs to pay for housing, utilities and food. That rules out time for dating, and socializing. Those who tend to do well now are lucky, or living off mom and dad (boomers kids). I'm 34 and this is my life and Community in the DC area.

[@dembeku346]

Rat: *bullies one other rat* Other rat: "Uwu harder daddy" Rat: *confused bullying*

[@dananaditya9347]

*bullies harder

[@user-fy5sg9rg7d]

@@dananaditya9347 bruh

[@io4340]

o w o

[@hola-tg9nl]

i haven't started watching the video and reading this without context is concerning

[@jonnythedemon]

*confused graping*

[@flayym1889]

When I clicked on “Rat Utopia” I was not expecting hyperactive hypersexual pan sexual super rats

[@ChloroformHM]

It’s my only goal in life to be a hyperactive, hypersexual, pansexual, aggressive super rat.

[@Jerome616]

So what phase are humans in now I wonder?!

[@user-dxvzkh]

@@Jerome616 Probably phase D

[@Jerome616]

@@user-dxvzkh okay, I’d better get back to my grooming routine.

[@fishboi6051]

🍳💖💛💙🍳pan rights

[@pyropagerik]

I loved the rats of nimh story as a child, I had no idea it was based on a real story.

[@JaredHam-l1e]

How did you hear this as a child ??

[@pyropagerik]

@@JaredHam-l1e Google search the book and movies "The rats of nimh" it was read to me at elementary school. I highly recommend the books before the movies.

[@diegov1743]

​@@JaredHam-l1e The experiment inspired a novel which inspired an animated movie. It has little to do with the real thing, NIMH makes the rats super smart instead of disturbed.

[@JaredHam-l1e]

@@diegov1743 will research some when sober haha sounds interesting might know what you’re talking about

[@strangeduckling]

The mice and rats were also left with no mental stimulation. You can only explore the exact same space and do the exact same activities in the exact same way for so long until it begins to take a toll on mental health. Rats and mice require lots of stimulation--this includes toys, slight changes in scenery, sensory enrichment, etc. With next to no forms of stimulation or enrichment, mental, emotional, and even social health is doomed to rapidly decline. This probably is the cause, or at least a factor, in the increased aggression, withdrawal, and mental/social retardation.

[@TypeOneg]

Rayann Midkiff so in other words, prison.

[@strangeduckling]

Victoria Love Truly, not even prison is this bad. It's cleaner, has more stimulation, more variety of humans, etc.

[@joesomebody3365]

Interesting theory, though I think some people get dragged into existences where they have to spend all their time avoiding bankruptcy/homelessness (due to excessive debt or rising costs with stagnant pay) causing them to have no time for mental stimulation, having to devote every waking hour to making sure they stay ahead of bills/rent.

[@strangeduckling]

Joe Somebody Even that is a form a mental stimulation, though. It may not be positive and it may not promote much creative expression and new experience, but it's still stimulation. And each day would offer something different: different work scenarios, different customers, a chance to take different routes to school, the ability to choose between different options for food and drink, the ability to listen to music and radio when going to and from work or while working or while at home, being able to watch television at home, being able to listen to or read new news each day, being able to read books in free time or for work, having the ability to learn new skills at work or in free time, being able to go shopping, being able to choose different clothing styles, having to worry about laws and social norms, etc. etc. It's nowhere near to the extent that the rats and mice were subjected to.

[@joesomebody3365]

Rayann Midkiff: I think that depends entirely on the job, its arguable that there's always going to be some level of stimulation given the random and chaotic nature the outside world brings about; however, I'd say that some people become numb to slight differences while the drudgery of certain aspects of their life overwhelms the other circumstances. You are correct though that humans are much more complicated than mice, and a much more complex experiment would be needed to take our higher brain functions into account.

[@wm-fm1ts]

What he unintentionally created was a study on "cabin fever," not the effects of overpopulation. Stick a any number of people inside a building they cannot leave, with nothing to do except eat, sleep, and be social, and their behavior would fall apart just like the rodents in his study. Real life is full of things to do - mice explore, forage for food, escape predators, *live.* Enrichment is extremely important in both animal welfare and to human lives. After all, without falling down the KZbin rabbit hole and finding this video, I would've gone as stir crazy trapped in quarantine as the rats and mice trapped in their "utopias" :P

[@FlaviusMaximus1967]

From what I understand his later studies addressed those concerns. And they yielded positive results.

[@zagreus4438]

Go for a walk bro

[@FlaviusMaximus1967]

@@zagreus4438 I don't think it was so much getting out, it was more the ability to be creative. I'm finding it hard to find those results though. But yea, going for a walk and getting out would definitely be beneficial.

[@goatcvlt2926]

Yea but we are animals meant to run hunt breed etc too. People are dying right now because of too many people. Notice all the uprising in mass shootings? Population

[@akshay_creates]

I'm just throwing it out there, but wouldn't/couldn't mass overpopulation lead the ENTIRE WORLD to a state of cabin fever in a way? But at the same time I feel like we'll explore and inhabit different planets by the time the population reaches such an unfathomable level.

[@enderman6777]

Before y'all discredit his findings by explaining away the mice's behaviors as simply due to boredom... That's exactly what he tried to draw a parallel with in humans

[@josephine1468]

japan

[@spets234]

@@josephine1468 Indeed

[@jackr2287]

Bill Whittle has a video entitled "The Utopian Curse" breaking down this experiment, and offers a take on this experiment that seems pretty accurate to what took place. Worth your time if this still has your interest folks.

[@arnigeir1597]

The issue is more that the conclusions that were made were to support population control and eugenics, and this experiment has been used by certain groups to justify sinister ideology's. The findings were closer to representing prisons then society as a whole and the subjects were still just animals.

[@kekula69]

japan

[@exegotbeats]

This is so crazy, i wonder why youtube doesnt recommend more things like this

[@kingkooki7761]

Imagine being the person that had to count all the mice and rats

[@melainymcdonough1986]

"1..2..3.....umm 10..20.30 ..100? Lets just do approximately"

[@evocative01]

Imagine the smell

[@kingkooki7761]

evocative01 oh god I didn’t even think about that

[@TonyStarkCLC]

The calculations are made by sampling the average number of mice in several determined areas, and that's how you get the approximate number of individuals.

[@TonyStarkCLC]

@Caleb nobody is going to great lengths so as to count each one of the mice. So sampling the number of mice on several locations and averaging the number of all samples, gives an approximate, yet closely accurate number with a minimum margin of error, the same way statistics average the samples of representative populations in polls and census.

[@bigfinstudios181]

that mouse city scene in zootopia got a lot more disturbing...

[@GayBrain]

Oh god...

[@oziku1816]

Huh maybe that was a reference to this?

[@bigfinstudios181]

oziku that would be cool.

[@suzaku3573]

Mickey Holmes LMFAOOOOO

[@GayBrain]

@@jej4u Hello

[@andreyleonel255]

Props to the Rat Class who gonne just like "Yo, i'm gonna just chill and play games, walk slow, live life by myself" and ended up being the healthiest class in there.

[@friedlemons5201]

the actual chad rats

[@Smokiezzzable]

Lol if we as a human race thinks dying as a breed and being so unhappy with life we avoid social contacts being a success... Yes then your right 🤔👍

[@andreyleonel255]

@@Smokiezzzable I am talking about mice, in a failed Mouse Utopia You know that, right?

[@Able542]

@@Smokiezzzable If you think mice have the exact same social intelligence and intellect as humans and thus this experiment is undeniable proof of humanity's demise... Yes then, you're right.

[@Able542]

@Michael Scott Just because people act a fool online doesn't justify comparing humanity to a shite experiment because it's pessimistic. The people who say 'It's the internet, respect isn't here' say that to justify that they are just assholes online. And no, I'm not new.

[@k0walsk]

Props. Fascinating. Scary. Can't help but compare myself and view my life choices through this lens. Having chosen to live abroad, away from my family and main friends for the past 10 years and foreseeable future, I cannot help but imagine I'd be stuck in the middle section if I had no way to travel. Add the frequent passivity in my days and you have one uncomfortable k0walsk thinking he should start recording himself.

[@dinkyduffy5026]

I too was viewing myself and the past choices of myself and those around me from this perspective . Although we are not identical creatures we have formed similar habits to these creatures. 😮

[@whattheshit4936]

"in a natural setting, those which find no social niche will leave the colony - but in this experiement, immigration is impossible." man i felt that lol

[@Benny5889]

Emigration*

[@EzraMerr]

It's too fucking hard lol, Being from a "developed country" (UK) the only places I can migrate to legally are other European countries which are almost similar Socialist shitholes

[@7schlafer886]

@@EzraMerr coincidentally all developed countries offer a social system, maybe there is a connection you are too dumb to see ;)

[@richardroberson2564]

@@7schlafer886 Yeah, like Russia and china. Great places to live.

[@kingaha3657]

@@richardroberson2564 Russia yes China no

[@MrAceMcGee]

"...on day 690, the rats seemed to have developed a religion. Building paper mache statues that appeared to resemble the likeness of Calhoun."

[@azaleaslight7243]

Too FUNNY Thankyou 🙌🌞

[@feralgecko9727]

I read this in his voice

[@sharkn3rd]

LMAOOOO

[@Anino_Makata]

Pay homage to All Father Calhoun! Father to all ratkind!

[@mikeoxmall3847]

He would be the boogey man they would all fear and resent If they knew what their natural,lives were supposed to be like!

[@Max16032]

I really like how the music turns more and more frightening the deeper the theme goes.

[@peteaxe2067]

Jack Alchem chill lmao

[@lizatanzawa7910]

Jack Alchem (look how jumpy this creepy video made YOU!!! Omg, I can feel my heart beating faster, this is horrible experiment!!)

[@KingRumar]

The mice and rats, oh my!

[@olivialee5280]

Does anyone know what the music is at 1:03?

[@ScienceBabble]

Grab a bass guitar and ringout the 5th fret on the G string every 2 measures if you REALLY wanna freak yourself out

[@eienalgamer2367]

My concern with the experiment is that they didn't give the mice anything to do but eat and have sex. Or at least that wasn't explained but, a bored mouse is a bored mouse. I'd go mad too.

[@makishimashougo4722]

The aim of experiment was never to Keep the rat population growing,it was to see what would happen in a rat utopia

[@lilaclizard4504]

exactly! If they'd given them mouse wheels & toys, I'm sure the result would have been VERY different! Even just flavoured food, different foods in different feeding stations probably would have made a difference

[@jolee9782]

@@lilaclizard4504 now I want to know what would happen in the experiment if you were to change the hypothesis like that. reminds me of the rat Park experiment, where they would get rats addicted to opioids and then gave them the option to go to a little Park where there were other rats and toys, it helped them kick the addiction every time.

[@KG-yz7tr]

@@makishimashougo4722 It's not a utopia if they're miserable.

[@skramamme685]

@@makishimashougo4722 The experiment hardly represented utopia considering rats are well known to need environmental enrichment.

[@colonelbiscuits8564]

Regularly take breaks from society for your health. Go camping without your phone. Try an isolation tank. Take a trip somewhere natural and untouristy. Go somewhere where you can let your animal body breathe and make sounds and move like it wants to. That and finding what kind of role/work/vocation speaks to our soul seems like the answer to this societal problem in our modern model of humanity.

[@Christopher-nl2kb]

And be careful too... anything can happen camping alone...

[@vanlifebae]

Animal body , am I supposed to be a furry 😂

[@Darthdoodoo]

Having a garden is the best thing I've ever done in my life it feeds your mind body and soul it's the first time I've ever felt connected with the Earth and like a real human being

[@KonkeyVG]

The reason why the mouse experiment was only mirrored by humans in prison is because the common trait between the two is the inability to escape, and by extension the forced close proximity with others. The issue wasn't of overcrowding (though high population exacerbates the issue) but a testament to the complexities of psychology both in humans and mice wherein we feel the need to divide ourselves into smaller groups which consequently results in conflict between different groups. Say if I do not get along with my neighbours in my apartment and the apartment was vastly overpopulated relative to its size, the dystopian outcome of the mouse experiment would not occur because I am able to leave my apartment and interact with people, say at work or school. My ability to gain social skills (which informs my ability to find a mate and raise children) isn't solely linked to those in the apartment, whereas the mice were trapped within the experiment, unable to join another colony or break off into their own as they would in nature. This is also besides the fact that the circumstances of the experiment are not a realistic representation of our existence in society. Humans do not merely eat, sleep and procreate. We busy ourselves with other activities (be it recreational or work related) that may even take priority off those three base needs, which subdue the existential dread that was experienced by the mice in the experiment. It wasn't only that they were trapped in this one location but they had no function in that location, they did not hunt or explore as they would in the real world. Going to school and acquiring a job are two essential aspects of growing up today therefore the circumstances wherein a human is unable to interact with people outside of a single social group throughout their entire life is almost impossible.

[@dannygjk]

Many people in a city can't escape for practical reasons.

[@KonkeyVG]

Dan Kelly They may be trapped in a financial sense but being in poverty doesn't necessarily limit ones ability to engage in social settings (school, employment, etc). Because education and work are both necessary parts of one's survival in society, the vast majority of people grow up well adjusted even though they are essentially trapped in a city due to financial limitations.

[@Navzzzz]

Earth is sort of a prison

[@badoe7138]

I believe that most of the concern was over the limited space that our planet has. That at some point in the future, the human population would reach a point were people could no longer physically distance themselves from one another, and therefore the earth would be the enclosure with no escape.

[@KonkeyVG]

Badoe713 I don't think that scenario is really conceivably possible. Right now the entire global population could live in Texas at the density of New York City. Texas represents about 7% of the land mass of the entire United States (695k km2 / 9.834m km2). So the global population could grow 14 times over and we'd only fill the land mass of the United States, which is far from the greatest land mass on earth. And this is based on New York City which isn't even the most densely populated city. At the current global land mass the population could grow 214 times over and we'd only just be full at NYC's population. The global population would have to be over 1.5 trillion for there to be a legitimate concern that we're running out of space, at which point we would have almost certainly figured out how to make a comfortable living space far denser than New York City. I would hazard a guess that it's more likely for a war to wipe us all out than our population to grow to that size. ***this is all based off the assumption that we don't need space for food production

[@munnypantz]

Yes, another episode of "wow, that was fascinating! I wish I could unlearn that!".

[@DravenWolfe]

munnypantz lol, as someone who enjoys the Post Apocalyptic setting. I was both fascinated and disturbed by it.

[@mattiasljungblad4827]

You just summed up this entire series.

[@LegitAverageZombie1]

how could you want to unlearn chris chan

[@SiiriCressey]

Ignorance is bliss?

[@firepro6743]

Give this man a beer

[@GoEatATowel]

Jesus christ

[@AB-br2nu]

it's too late for god to help us. he doesn't see his creations anymore, he see's hateful, violent, morally reprehensible imitations.

[@goldenstrawb]

Cheesus Crust*

[@Practicalidiots]

Go Eat A Towel Get back to making sug you shit (jk you do you)

[@dr.limeade3035]

So his creation?

[@TMStudios89]

My thoughts exactly

[@davidhoracek6758]

Modern-day versions of these experiments should focus on ways that we could adjust the dense environments of mice so they could stay healthy and functioning properly even with high density. It seems like Calhoun wanted to engineer pain and doom, and he succeeded. I would want to engineer satisfaction and flourishing. I bet it's doable with some architectural tweaks. It's strange that we never tried. It's like scientists don't want to even consider the possibility of an actual utopia. Somehow the most disturbing thing I found in this video was the banner ad at 23:09. Слава Україні!

[@Briskeeen]

He did, his later experiments were focused on trying to reverse the behavior sinks. Nobody ever seems to care about those experiments though

[@ravsucks2]

didn’t expect pansexual rat city to be what I’d learn today

[@LosMozi]

They are also into domination. Guess one never stops learning.

[@Omega-mr1jg]

@@LosMozi kinkville

[@asdollas44]

What the hell is pan sex???

[@giovi9741]

@@asdollas44 yu'ore mum😎

[@verynormal_cat]

@@asdollas44 pansexual. Google it.

[@welshboi2228]

Good to know that if social order collapses I can be some chads femboy in his harem

[@heathurban9217]

Underrated comment

[@aaronsmith9688]

@@LUIS-rv6uz Who needs ancestors when you can be a femboy in some chads harem?

[@wilmagregg3131]

@@LUIS-rv6uz depends if his ancestors where greek or roman theyd be quite proud

[@TheTriggerhappyhippi]

Lmao xD

[@benslater9322]

Why wait for the social order to collapse?

[@lightsoutdarlings1222]

"the dominant male would not fight these attemps" they were GAY fredrik

[@evesdrop1982]

Correction: they were PANSEXUAL

[@Cheepchipsable]

RatCurious.

[@TheIrishFoley]

Lana D no

[@AydenRose04]

TheIrishFoley yes

[@Abigart69]

I uh I might be half rat then 😬😅😬😬😅

[@dx5soundlabs939]

Its not terribly difficult to draw parallels with modern society

[@tracksidefilms5416]

woah I never knew Pinky and the Brain was so instense

[@Stingetan]

Legends say two pan-sexual male mice escaped in the last phase of the experiments..

[@Samrules888]

there should have been a pinky and the brain episode like this. where either A. brain tries to become the alpha mouse. he fails, pinky succeeds, hilarity ensues B. brain tries to escape the mouse utopia to take over the outside world brain knows the experiment will be doomed but pinky wants to stay because there's tons of food and girls. C. the mouse utopia was actually a success but brain's ambition ruined the utopia and made the mice descend into (kid friendly) savagery

[@sethleoric2598]

@@Samrules888 it would then become mouse detroit

[@amtrakfan9125]

Trackside!

[@shmutzman]

5 90's Cartoons That Were Way Darker Than You Remembered

[@fijiwater6030]

damn, when I read those nimh books as I kid I never realized how fucking terrifying the backstory behind them was.

[@Pandaboomina]

Fiji Water multiple books? I thought there was only one.

[@MrEasye6996]

Fiji Water nimh?

[@MarbRedFred]

Eziekle Crafts lol wut m8

[@fijiwater6030]

Mina Carroll yeah, it’s a trilogy

[@calsepher]

Silly Fiji... waters can't read.

[@Lucky32Luke]

If I may, I would weigh in as city planning engineer here. The built environment can and always will make a huge effect on the behaviour of the occupants. This is our trade's common base. If you build or design a "human cage" environment meaning no parks no common space everything is surrounded with concrete and high buildings then you just built a cage without an escape. The people living there will have very little chance to escape and build a heathy social life. Humans are socially interactive animals and we need space and opportunity to meet and share and enjoy life in it's entirety. If this is not a given we will eventually become socially trapped and depressed and start behaving violently. My profession is one of many to deal with such possibility to not to arise. Sadly though the law and designing such living space is not always a priority. Most of the times the money comes first above all and this is the reason I have given up on designing and on my profession as a whole. Thank you for highlighting such vital issue. I am to this day feel sorry for those who live in a built and designed environment where their fate is almost absolute to go criminal.

[@GodofDisco]

Well you should help us instead of hurting us. City planners are planning "smart cities" which are super restrictive. The biggest things humans need to retain is the ability to drive. This is not something to take for granted as driving is incredibly dangerous and I can see political reasons for ending it but the ability to change cities if we like, go out to the country side when we want, and explore the world generally by actually traveling not on public state sponsored transport but independent car-trips that we take with our friends is one of the greatest forms of humanity left.

[@EmotionsNeverLie]

@@GodofDisco This is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read. Creating infrastructure that isn't car dependent isn't hurting humanity or restricting your freedoms. It gives people the freedom to choose how they get around instead of having to depend on an expensive piece of machinery just to get around. No one's coming for your fucking car, we want to open the world so people can choose if they want one.

[@DonHavjuan]

Yes, cities are rat mazes and those who live in cities are to be pitied.

[@Lucky32Luke]

@@GodofDisco I generally disagree. The biggest thing we must retain is driving a car? The biggest thing everyone needs is social interactions and green spaces, parks and gardens. But sadly every inch of green space is considered nowadays in residential investment as a lost opportunity to make another building instead. That is wrong. I had the chance to live in several different built environment being an EU migrant in the UK we've moved several times in London before we've made enough to move out before our daughter was born. Some of these places were badly designed "ghettos" without a playground a local park the gardens ware laid concrete only with a pots to display some plants. Depressing. I am a big fan of roof gardens as an afterthought. Several countries have legislation which determine how much percentage must be kept green on every single plot. I see this number going smaller every decade. Just as much I saw local permitting offices giving in for a chance to bid for a new investor. Some calls this corruption some see this as revolutionary politics because something new is built. On the transport front I don't mind well managed bus services, bike lanes, tramlines the petrol and diesel had its triumph and it is time now to make a step forward and hydrogen and EV with driving assistance seems to be the future. Shared EV taxis etc to cut down on car ownership since parking is one of the biggest problems in every single large city I know.

[@Sasha-zw9ss]

"Their fate is almost absolutely to go criminal". I would disagree. In my city, the newer districts are exactly as you described (the Soviet ones at at least had enough schools and kindergartens, as well as plenty of trees). As far as I know, they are not that much more criminal than the rest of the city. They are just depressing as fuck.

[@aquanote2694]

You could’ve gone on for hours and I would’ve been tuned in.. this is wild af

[@matthewharris-levesque5809]

The conclusion should have been "the inability to escape abuse leads to degradation of the body, mind and spirit"

[@t16205]

I think you may be on to something there

[@Nyah420]

To the time machine!

[@jacobstaten2366]

"Once ... Upon a time ... There was a little girl ... And her shadow who was tethered to her ... The girl lived up above ... And the shadow lived down below ..."

[@TheGreenTaco999]

Except that what's really interesting about this experiment is what caused the abuse in the first place, we all know that abuse is bad

[@LoryskaEntertainment]

TheGreenTaco999 I think OP is suggesting that despite the supposed care given to the rats, they still lived in a designed squaller. They had no toys, running wheels or other means of entertainment. Most mammals need this sort of stimulation before madness sets in, and shit like this experiment happens. In my opinion that is a huge source of error in this experiment.

[@phoenixthegrandanomaly236]

Society 2: the fuckening

[@whattheheckisasonic9837]

Society 4: WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY.

[@myamdane6895]

Society 5: There is no society

[@wa4645]

Society 6: So©IeTy

[@phoenixthegrandanomaly236]

Society 7: attack of the big g@y

[@ilikellamas6682]

Society 9: now we gotta throw the whole society away

[@raydgreenwald7788]

kind of love about this experiment is that it pretty much says the exact same thing that Frank the stoner who works at Petco could tell you: like dude, you gotta give the rats stimulation and stuff

[@HappyQuailsLC]

Like a tread mill. Likes and subs.

[@bobbarclay316]

Its easy to notice behaviors in other mammals that seem to mimic human behavior. But humans are not only mammals. Despite what behaviorists may tell you, humans also exhibit the behavior of ethical decision making. Humans can and do decide to change their behavior in ways and for reasons that would never occur to non human mammals. Thats why we regulate damn near everything.

[@Christopher-nl2kb]

That's not true...

[@Happyhenzo]

@@Christopher-nl2kbit quite literally is true

[@heronekkotheanimer7386]

That is true for a small percent of people, most just seem to behave like a mindless animal. So we wont go extinct thanks to our intellect, but sure will go through very hard times thanks to it.

[@mordecai144k2]

Intellect can only go so far when bad behavior keeps being pushed. Imagine the mouse experiment, but human intervention keeps the colony alive by force…. The hell unleashed would be legendary, beyond anything nature could produce. Human intellect will also cause civil war and most people who upkeep the current system will die. Chads and incels are social constructs, because their access to women is based on social perception of those women, which in of itself are made of various social constructs. And when society collapses, those constructs are ripped down, and the reality of the new situation will force adaptation. And thus you will be presented with a situation where the former incel might turn into a chad, and chad might become the new incel, or both become chads, or both incels and a new chad arises.

[@SeaCowsBeatLobsters]

Except many other mammals exhibit this behavior. It’s a gradient.

[@thebowz998]

“I’m the giant rat that makes all of the rules!” “Let’s see what kind of trouble we can get ourselves into!”

[@BobFrostV]

Can you rule over 100000 degenerates who need constant pandering to? Do you have the time and energy? He said your women will have to protect themselves because you'll get tired. But if your women won't be allowed to have guns in the future, what will they do?

[@MrComet101]

Al 🤔

[@ungreebledbouba]

@@BobFrostV what are you on about lmfao

[@stephenlawrence554]

The bowz now I get to be the giant rat surprise!

[@jonathanswavely7259]

Rats. Rats. We're the rats.

[@danielgaxiolalugo7414]

Eveyone in the comments: Hehe, femboy harem! Reality: at the end almost all the rats proceeded to commit mass murder and cannibalism, and the few that survived were mentaly scarred for the rest of their lives and unable to integrate with healthy groups of rats.

[@Archedgar]

Don't matter. Had sex.

[@danielgaxiolalugo7414]

@@Archedgar Like a wise man with a funny hairstyle one time said: "GO HOME AND BE A FAMILY MAN!"

[@felviofernandez1225]

@@danielgaxiolalugo7414 umm.. sorry to ask but, who said it?

[@CyberPunkBadGuy]

@@felviofernandez1225 Guile from street fighter. were you not around in the snes days?

[@felviofernandez1225]

@@CyberPunkBadGuy Bruh. Not even 18

[@k.bsworldofpets4574]

If the rats and mice had enrichment I think this would have turned out must different. By adding wheels, toys, different substrates I doubt the rats and mice would have become so aggressive.

[@wateriswet9301]

I wonder if there would've been two groups of social outcasts? The males and females who are rejected by society but have an outlet in entertainment, and those who reject entertainment? The experiment is pretty cruel to the animals but I wonder if someone will ever try it again with toys and entertainment.

[@k.bsworldofpets4574]

@@wateriswet9301 I'd personally love to see an experiment with proper enrichment and diet. I'd be very curious if the colonies would thrive more and possibly over populate?

[@euminkong]

@@wateriswet9301 dude...we humans are the architect from the matrix and rats are trapped in the matrix. They need to be free and be part of nature.

[@jamespardee6103]

@@wateriswet9301 Yes! Which would they choose? A life geared toward pursuit of instinct satiation, or curiosity and exploration...🤔

[@rosemali3022]

This study has been done in Rat Park.

[@mrxinnovations809]

wonderfully made video , one can really tell how much effort went into making this.

[@MissShembre]

This makes me want to move and live in the woods even more.

[@themultiverse5447]

To live with rats?

[@presleymeck]

Can I join

[@chiefcaptn1922]

@Francisco Pizarro González ok boomer

[@justas423]

@throw communists out of helicopters well the Unabomber was a boomer in one way or another. Also your thumbnail is a great statistic or the effectiveness of "The Red Scare". Thank you for your inadvertent cooperation.

[@gamerito100]

Justas It's just a reference to Pinochet...

[@samuelf8879]

I thought he was ganna build little cars for the rats and some cute rat clothing

[@bakermakingbread]

I wish

[@Appathetic_Substance_Abuse]

Compulsive optimistic ideas that your brain automatically throws away 10 seconds later. Maybe this man was a narcotic abuser? Im only a few mins in so

[@chickenman22710]

@@Appathetic_Substance_Abuse What are you talking about?

[@BVonBuescher]

And a rat coat and a rat hat!!! 🎩 🐀

[@Rissy617]

Secret of Nimh is a great movie. Had no idea it was this deep!

[@theghostlyfigure9989]

Same here and it was a major part of my childhood. I would watch it over and over at the age of four and most likely slightly further back. Now that I know this I know I'm messed up hahaha. Edit: typo

[@Rissy617]

@@theghostlyfigure9989 lol same!!! It's also weird that young kids enjoyed such a depressing, dark movie because it's cute animals 😂 I think the story went over my head for a long time!

[@markdelgado6984]

@@Rissy617 it did what it had to. Implant these ideas in the form of cartoons. It's called conditioning the same thing they did to these rats.

[@theghostlyfigure9989]

@@Rissy617 When I was young I believe it was creepy but in a good way.

[@calamitychaela1994]

Same

[@beetlebailey7037]

This is completely unrelated but when you showed that clip from the secret of Nimh it made me realize that that was the movie I had been trying to find for a while now cause the scene where the house sinks into the mud traumatized me as a kid

[@kellharris2491]

That movie scared the crap about me.

[@tanthai3653]

I’ve fallen so far down the KZbin rabbit hole that I ended up on a KZbin series called “Down the Rabbit Hole”

[@listerinestrips1156]

haven't we all lol

[@listerinestrips1156]

one can only sit and wonder just how deep we are embedded in cyber space..at this point in time we're all half robotic...

[@peternorth1721]

No you didnt lol. You saw this posted somewhere else and came to it.

[@jimmybean420]

This is not far down the rabbit hole. This isn't far down the rabbit hole at all. You haven't even touched the surface yet. There's so much shit out there, and this really aint it. (it is weird but not rabbit hole weird)

[@timboardman4916]

@@listerinestrips1156 nah this is where I start. These videos are great

[@naphtalene9164]

Alpha male: GIVE US YOUR WOMEN AND WE'LL GIVE YOU FOOD Beta male: TAKE ME INSTEAD Alpha male: U H H . . . OKAY

[@hackedNPCPIN]

Naphtalene what lol

[@rustyrusto1899]

Don’t you mean Omegas heheh…

[@jRex918]

Gay niggas lol

[@vegetafan9922]

Gotta' love ya' some good Yaoi.

[@riks081]

No, you misunderstand. The Alphas were the ones letting the Betas mate with them. In other words the betas were mounting the alphas.

[@thebarbanterchronicles5882]

I don't understand how the Dr. didn't throw a bat in there; to reduce crime.

[@serajalhorani838]

😬 Batman references

[@Chaotic4Neutral]

@@serajalhorani838 Don't explain the joke...

[@pzyckox]

And risk starting a pandemic?

[@goldenleg116]

Ratham city needs me -Batrat

[@goldenleg116]

He’s the hero that ratham deserves, just not the one it needs right now

[@beeawesome2869]

I think many people including me have accidentally created similar experiments. Rats and mice breed quick. I got 2 boy rats for my kids. They were living in my daughter's doll house. All went well and it was cute until one of the boys turned out to be a girl and had babies in the doll house. Of course it was too small for 2 adults and a litter. I built a large habitat for them all and the "experiment" may have gone on much longer but the mother mouse kept escaping at night. My "cage" wasn't that great though it was large. They were all taken to the pet store after she escaped and ate most of my weed that I used for my insomnia. She must have ate some from her behavior. But a year later I found a lot of it buried in carpet in a corner under furniture. She had stashed it. I'm glad for the experience but they were overwhelming for me to care for. Another time I had two hamsters. Once they were adults they would fight. Get this, I learned by accident that if I rythmicly played a little drum i had they would stop fighting, sit side by side, bow there heads with their little hands together as in prayer. It was one of the strongest things I had ever accidentally caused. If you have hamsters you should try the drum with them and see what happens.

[@r3fus32d13]

Lol the weed part was so unexpected. Made me laugh

[@fireblood280]

What the hell are you smoking?

[@beeawesome2869]

@@fireblood280 I'll tell you if you tell me first.

[@davi1234558]

Maybe we’re a rat city for aliens

[@jjs8426]

Nah

[@johnfuller4491]

Enter the matrix

[@hannahdunbar617]

Duh

[@nicholasmaniccia1005]

Maybe

[@aquicha8168]

They fucked up the utopia part

[@mysticmarshmallow7581]

*But did they say no homo?*

[@SollomonTheWise]

No homo, Bro you gotta say no homo. Bro why you ain't say no homo. Bro i know you eating my ass right now but you gotta say no homo. Bro?

[@jammccockin8304]

Lyn Charles ....he can't talk with a mouff full o bootee

[@NotCreativeEngh]

Wow, u guys gay

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

"The beautiful ones."

[@littlekuribohimposte]

Its not gay unless the balls touch

[@ant2909]

When the weak male gets friend zoned so he changes teams instead.

[@happyhoney855]

😂😂😂

[@CaveyMoth]

It's pretty true.

[@daca8395]

I expected this comment way sooner. Maybe there is hope for the world after all

[@Kerm88]

Like you Anthony D?

[@ant2909]

@@Kerm88 yes just like me

[@imjustsam1745]

What I would be interested in is how different his results might have been if he'd used a species that engages in cooperative hunting. If my understanding of human evolution is to date, it was when our ancestors started cooperative hunting that we became hominids. I come from an engineering not biological science background but, I never thought of rodents as having cooperation. I'm not sure what I would expect it to change just observing that I find my dog relatable, I believe she and I understand each other very well. I don't know how human rodents think by contrast.

[@joeschmo4646]

Rats, we're Rats, we're the Rats. We prey at night, we stalk at night, we're the Rats.

[@Joxat_]

*OI AM DA BIG RAT THAT RULES ALL THE RATS*

[@starstrikefuck]

aihm the giant rat that makes all of da rules

[@moltendiamonds1567]

Let's see what kind of trouble we can get into

[@Dev-bc9mt]

I identify as an easy-bake oven but thanks.

[@dartfamily3409]

@Deus Vult. cake and ice cream is on its way!

[@mabon6641]

Bro, i grew up watching "the secret of nimh" this makes so much sense as to why the movie is so disturbing

[@justindunlap1235]

Me too I have to go back and rewatch it now. I realized allot of children's media from that time is super dark. The brave little toaster starts with the air conditioner's suicide.

[@King_Nex]

@@justindunlap1235 I thought it was the equivalent of a heart attack?

[@TheMasterTelevision]

Childhood wonderment turns to genuine horror. Welcome to adulthood. Pay ur taxes dont smoke weed

[@justindunlap1235]

@@TheMasterTelevision or move to Washington so you can pay your taxes by smoking weed.

[@wegner7036]

@@TheMasterTelevision Or you could have been like me and already knew the genuine horror before the wonderment as a kid. I was the neighbor's kid with the newspapers, unhealthy obsession with mathematics, and tinfoil hat.

[@CJdude22]

Well, my mind is blown. I never made the connection to The Secret of NIMH and NIMH standing for National Institute of Mental Health.

[@degrelleholt6314]

Wasn't that in the story? I mean, on the sign in front of the building?

[@SillySeaLily]

Same

[@iamwhoyousayiam6773]

Those rats developed humanlike intellect including shame and alchemy... that would make a good movie since the NIMH is still relevant lmao

[@danielgockerell]

Me too! They should’ve introduced an wide crazy barn owl...

[@LoryskaEntertainment]

They literally say it in the movie lol

[@greatscott369]

What's even scarier is that they knew about this, and yet they pushed the behavioural sink and worsening crowding.

[@boogiepopstudent9213]

Many people are missing a HUGE part of Calhoun's ideas, which is the idea of dawnsday. Calhoun believed that changing the way spaces like the rat utopia was organized could help with preventing these issues, which he showed in later experiments. If you feed rats individually the problems are reduced. He also didn't consider a large population in itself bad, and considered things like limiting how many children one could have unnecessary. One thing he noticed in some of the deviant less-powerful mice was creativity, for example, one of these mice dug special more-efficient burrows. One of the things he believed would help humans would be having computers that shares information with other computers and that could be easily accessed by many people and that could hold information that would be impossible for just individuals to have alone. He basically predicted the internet, and that this connectedness would lessen some of the problems experienced from overcrowding. Some of the studies that tried to find similarities between the rat behavior and human behavior found ways that you could develop dorms and such that would reduce tensions.

[@phasingout]

Yeah this was a great comment. After watching this amazing once in a life time study I was excited to read the comments for further discussion. Thanks for being the first.